Speaker 1: And That's what You Really missed with Jenna.
Speaker 2: And Kevin an iHeartRadio podcast.
Speaker 3: Welcome to and That's What You Really miss Podcast. Today,
Speaker 3: we have a very special guest, Kevin.
Speaker 1: McHale the.
Speaker 2: Grim. Wow, you couldn't do better than me.
Speaker 1: Well, we do have a special guest. It's not you,
Speaker 1: but we.
Speaker 2: Have it's someone more special for sure. We have Max
Speaker 2: adler Kowski is here.
Speaker 1: The show choir extraordinary himself.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like the only person who was actually in show choir.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was in like select choir.
Speaker 3: But he like corn and like like competed and stuff.
Speaker 1: So he's really legit. He's legit.
Speaker 2: He's legit. We find out he's legit in every way
Speaker 2: that I didn't really know coming into this, Like he
Speaker 2: was the most qualified person on this show.
Speaker 1: I mean true, I'm surprised they didn't auditioning for Puck.
Speaker 2: I know.
Speaker 3: It's like now that you see Mark, like, yeah, I
Speaker 3: knew what they were going for, but like, you know,
Speaker 3: like why did.
Speaker 2: I don't know what? Robert Oric had a vision and
Speaker 2: he's said everyone and really nailed it. So and Robert Oric,
Speaker 2: I trust.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no questions asked, Let's do it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Max is here, give it up for Max Appler.
Speaker 4: Hey, you agreed going on. Good to see you.
Speaker 3: Welcome to the show. We have a lot to talk about,
Speaker 3: so let's just let's just do it. But how are
Speaker 3: you doing, You've got a kiddy.
Speaker 4: Or figure out? Fan's good. Everyone's healthy. You know, I'm
Speaker 4: still still my wife Jen, who you guys know.
Speaker 5: And now we have a Dylan who is three and
Speaker 5: two months talking up a storm, interested in planes and
Speaker 5: garbage trucks and construction vehicles and all the things. And
Speaker 5: we're battling to get him to sleep in his own room.
Speaker 4: So there's that.
Speaker 5: But everyone, everyone's good now, just you know, figuring out
Speaker 5: the life amidst the strike, and you know what I
Speaker 5: will do this summer and uh, you know, but yeah,
Speaker 5: producing acting, things are things are good, but you know,
Speaker 5: navigating the craziness of this business, like we all are.
Speaker 2: Right, and it's it's so interesting too because the last
Speaker 2: time this writers strike happened, Glee. Could we talk to
Speaker 2: Ian a few months ago and he was saying, now,
Speaker 2: you know, Glee happened randomly during the last writer's strike. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so here we are again, So maybe there will be
Speaker 2: some new opportunities for all of us. Outside of it
Speaker 2: worked out for us last time asking for it. Let's
Speaker 2: do something.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's that.
Speaker 5: Hopefully it could be a shoe in you'd think you
Speaker 5: actually know, I'm never gonna work for I.
Speaker 4: Don't think I'm invited back sport.
Speaker 2: Yeah the same. We'll also just be watching.
Speaker 4: Although it is crazy.
Speaker 5: Though, I'm thinking, like in the I'm listening to like this, Sorry,
Speaker 5: there's another podcast, not a rival podcast, just another one
Speaker 5: out there called Strike Talk, but it's all about strike
Speaker 5: and I'm like learning, like exactly what's going on, the
Speaker 5: ins and outs. But there, you know, the whole this
Speaker 5: whole conversation about mini rooms, which I didn't know what
Speaker 5: they really were, and they're talking about how it's like
Speaker 5: a showrunner and two writers and I'm breaking the whole
Speaker 5: season instead of like a team of ten, and.
Speaker 4: I was like, that's it is crazy to think about
Speaker 4: it was Ryan, Ian.
Speaker 5: And Brad when it was like just three people that
Speaker 5: really broke and wrote and did the pre and the
Speaker 5: post production. I was like, that's it really is like
Speaker 5: outstanding how that happened and worked so well, Like what
Speaker 5: a what a time?
Speaker 4: What a combination that.
Speaker 2: Like twenty two episodes a season that way. They did
Speaker 2: two full seasons, was just the three of them, which
Speaker 2: is really crazy, and.
Speaker 3: Not even ten episodes anymore, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: It was twenty two back in the day.
Speaker 1: Imagine that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, they're talking about Mike White for White Lotus like
Speaker 5: does it on his own. But again, right, it's eight
Speaker 5: versus like yea twenty two and like, you know, forty
Speaker 5: million storylines and it's pretty.
Speaker 2: Pretty incredible, to be fair, they did the forty million
Speaker 2: storylines that was on them. They ranks, right, they had control. Yeah,
Speaker 2: take it.
Speaker 1: Take us back to before you got Glee.
Speaker 3: What were you doing and then what was it like
Speaker 3: when you got the call for your audition or what
Speaker 3: was it that got you in the door?
Speaker 6: Oh?
Speaker 5: Man, Well, I was doing the valet restaurant game, you know,
Speaker 5: the day job game and auditioning I did.
Speaker 4: I was working at a Macaroni grill restaurant and I
Speaker 4: had missed a shift for a big callback for a
Speaker 4: Montana meth project, which meth was a huge problem in Montana,
Speaker 4: and they were doing a project to battlemeth through PSA's
Speaker 4: and the director was Tony Kay who did American History X,
Speaker 4: And I really wanted to obviously work with him, and
Speaker 4: I booked that and so Macaroni Grill fired me.
Speaker 5: But that's how I got into SAG like the same day,
Speaker 5: so that was cool. And then I was at another
Speaker 5: restaurant just you know, doing like little little bits on
Speaker 5: like Ghost Whisper, What about Brian.
Speaker 4: I had an agent.
Speaker 5: I egged him to get in for a series regular
Speaker 5: on Glee because I think Jenna, you and I might
Speaker 5: have been the only people actually in show choir. I
Speaker 5: don't know, but I was like a huge, huge show
Speaker 5: choir person in high school. We toured, we competed, like
Speaker 5: I sang, I danced, you know, we like went to
Speaker 5: the Bahamas, went to Chicago like we did it. I
Speaker 5: was like, I lived the Glee life, loved Nip Tuck,
Speaker 5: would have like Nip Tuck parties like at my parents' house,
Speaker 5: at friend's houses. So like when I heard the creator
Speaker 5: of Nip Tuck was doing the show about show choir,
Speaker 5: I was like, please please get me in.
Speaker 2: Nothing is more specifically right for you.
Speaker 4: Right, But but in you know the world of Hollywood,
Speaker 4: they didn't see me. You know, they DIDN'TY didn't see it.
Speaker 5: They didn't think I was right whatever, but I had
Speaker 5: been dropping off my headshot every week at u DK
Speaker 5: casting who cast you know, Robert Ulrich and Alex Numan
Speaker 5: and everyone, and I dropped it off in the bin.
Speaker 4: I'm like, maybe they'll notice me, uh, And then yeah, they.
Speaker 5: Brought me in for it was two lines one day
Speaker 5: for both Kowski and Azimio, who was a played by
Speaker 5: James Earl, and we had to read for both parts.
Speaker 4: And I remember going in and I coached on it
Speaker 4: for like two hours. It was like a big chunk.
Speaker 4: It was like my big I think monologue if you will,
Speaker 4: But it.
Speaker 5: Was a chunk where I talked to Finn and Quinn
Speaker 5: and I'm like, oh, you know, I've been wanting to
Speaker 5: like slush you in the face since fifth grade when
Speaker 5: you made fun of me and like you know, it's
Speaker 5: my time now and you know, welcome to the new
Speaker 5: world orders all that. But I was like, all right,
Speaker 5: like let's coach, Like who is this guy? Why is
Speaker 5: why is he saying this? Like why is he upset you?
Speaker 5: I was like, let me, let me like stand out.
Speaker 5: And of course I walked in like so prepared, but
Speaker 5: then there's like, you know, forty five dudes, so like
Speaker 5: Ashley Angel from O.
Speaker 4: Town, and I was like, oh, like I'm going to
Speaker 4: go back to the restaurant game like they're in no
Speaker 4: way they're gonna go with me.
Speaker 5: But I went in and did my thing, and it
Speaker 5: was crazy because Robert in the room was like, I
Speaker 5: think you're the guy for this, which like never happens,
Speaker 5: like that's like, you know, you have no idea, and
Speaker 5: he was like, I think you're He's like that was
Speaker 5: the best read of the day, Like, I think you're
Speaker 5: my choice. And I was like, this would be a
Speaker 5: dream come true. Who like, give me two lines? I
Speaker 5: want to be on the show. Yeah, was already this
Speaker 5: like hype in this buzz, like the show was going
Speaker 5: to be shooting, you know, to the moon, and so
Speaker 5: I was pumped.
Speaker 4: Just to get on. Yeah, and I got the call.
Speaker 4: I was doing theater.
Speaker 5: I was doing, uh, Richard the Second with the Shakespeare
Speaker 5: troop porters of Ellsgate where I met my wife. Uh
Speaker 5: yeah here in la it's not trained. Yeah, we were
Speaker 5: in the Shakespeare in troop did much Ado and Macbeth
Speaker 5: and Richard the Second and and I was in you know, and.
Speaker 4: I was like if I could do Shakespeare, like I
Speaker 4: could I can bang out these.
Speaker 5: Two lines on Glee and like, you know, and I
Speaker 5: did it, and so I got the call and it
Speaker 5: made made my day and uh then you know, then
Speaker 5: went on to change my life. But yeah, it was
Speaker 5: really exciting. I had no idea, you know, where it
Speaker 5: would go, just two lines. And the biggest thing about
Speaker 5: it was the slushy, because I remember when I came in,
Speaker 5: they called me in advance on the call sheet to
Speaker 5: practice with like the dummy, the first slush thrower.
Speaker 1: You you were the og.
Speaker 2: Maybe I don't know, I don't there was somebody I'm
Speaker 2: gonna pilot that slushy.
Speaker 1: Yes, leah, okay, fair, but I think that was I
Speaker 1: think so.
Speaker 5: Though he didn't no, no this yeah, this this was
Speaker 5: like and Paul Bruneger a propmaster.
Speaker 4: Rest in peace. He was amazing. He was incredibly passionate
Speaker 4: about these slushies.
Speaker 5: So he would talk to me for like hours, literally hours,
Speaker 5: and it was like all right, like you know, we
Speaker 5: we'll start with like little rubber pieces so it's not
Speaker 5: really cold. But he's like the rubber like it bounces
Speaker 5: off the face and it's not gonna be believable. So
Speaker 5: he's like, we're gonna do it like the consistency, but
Speaker 5: what We're gonna heat it in the microwave, like make it
Speaker 5: like slightly.
Speaker 4: Warm but it won't burn, and then like it wouldn't read.
Speaker 5: He's like like We're just We're just gonna do like
Speaker 5: real slushy, but don't miss you get one take and
Speaker 5: like if you missed, you know you're gonna mess up
Speaker 5: the clothes and the makeup and the set. Everyone's gonna
Speaker 5: be pissed. Like he's like, nail it. So I had
Speaker 5: to come in and like prat you know. They adjusted
Speaker 5: it to like Corey's height, and he was like, go
Speaker 5: for the nose, we want the middle. We want to
Speaker 5: explode all over the face, like don't get the chest,
Speaker 5: don't get the chin.
Speaker 4: So so much pressure.
Speaker 5: I was like, what, Like I just I'm an actor,
Speaker 5: Like I'm like a slushy thrower, Like.
Speaker 4: I don't know, like what's going to happen.
Speaker 5: And he was just you know, he'd be in the corner,
Speaker 5: would be like just like stirring, like waiting for like
Speaker 5: Corey to come around the corner, like right the last minute,
Speaker 5: I'd better better get it right.
Speaker 4: And luckily, luckily, did you?
Speaker 1: Did you threw a lot of slushies, a lot of slushies.
Speaker 5: I got slushied once, but I had zombie makeup covering
Speaker 5: my face, so it wasn't as bad.
Speaker 2: But yeah, be nice.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Were you guys slush e in the same episode? Was
Speaker 3: it the super Bowl episode?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 5: Both.
Speaker 4: I was.
Speaker 5: I think we're coming down the hallway, uh in our
Speaker 5: letterman jackets and uh yeah, slashed by the hockey players.
Speaker 5: Have that?
Speaker 1: I believe that's right.
Speaker 2: That hockey team you were originally a part of.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there was that. Yeah, I think so.
Speaker 5: I think I was in the hockey team sports behind
Speaker 5: the scenes change of hearts.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm just athlete. Yeah, Josh, exactly how did it
Speaker 2: go from two lines, you getting these two lines to
Speaker 2: becoming a huge, like central figure of the entirety of
Speaker 2: the series. It was it, you know, well, you had
Speaker 2: I mean, your character influenced one of the biggest characters
Speaker 2: on the show. You had an incredible and crazy storyline
Speaker 2: through all six seasons, and I love that it started
Speaker 2: out as you just having you dropping your head shots
Speaker 2: off at the casting director's office, you getting called in
Speaker 2: and working on those two lines, and then are they
Speaker 2: calling you back for oh, we need Eximio and Krofsky
Speaker 2: back for another couple of lines here, and and it
Speaker 2: just evolved.
Speaker 4: I was like I only thought there was that one.
Speaker 5: And then you know, like every actor's dream, you're like
Speaker 5: I hope they notice you know something and.
Speaker 4: Maybe bring me back.
Speaker 5: But like I was like, what can they notice in
Speaker 5: like you know, two lines like I don't know, But
Speaker 5: then yeah, I got that call that like they want
Speaker 5: to bring you back, and I had like like another
Speaker 5: line about super Cuts not taking walkings or or was Somethingeah,
Speaker 5: you don't need an appointment at Supercuts they love walkings
Speaker 5: or something.
Speaker 4: I was like, great, I'll come back again. This is
Speaker 4: like you know, I get enough of these, I can
Speaker 4: quit the restaurant, like you know.
Speaker 2: That's where I was like, let me just you know,
Speaker 2: me for health insurance again.
Speaker 5: A dream, Like so cool because I'm like, you know,
Speaker 5: a fan of the show, like a fan of show.
Speaker 5: Choir Corey welcomed me with like gigantic heart, gigantic arm.
Speaker 5: You know, it was like come on, like meet my
Speaker 5: mind's mom was there the first day, Like I felt
Speaker 5: like I was like I do want to be back,
Speaker 5: but like who knows And basically I think it was
Speaker 5: like five episodes maybe for the first season. And then
Speaker 5: I remember the season two premiere party at Paramount, which
Speaker 5: was still weird. I remember the story of like I
Speaker 5: won't say who, but it was someone in the in
Speaker 5: the audience when we were watching the movie, and I
Speaker 5: remember like I sat down with Jen and like they
Speaker 5: just turned to me and they were like, this is
Speaker 5: for cast only, and I was like, no, right, but
Speaker 5: like I am, like I've done like fun episodes like
Speaker 5: I'm here. You know. It was like but like I
Speaker 5: still wasn't even like recognized as like being part of Lee,
Speaker 5: even though now I'd done five episodes with the restaurant.
Speaker 5: I was like, I'm on Glee anyway. Season two premiere party,
Speaker 5: Ryan comes up to me and like, you know, kind
Speaker 5: of secretly is like we just wrote something really special
Speaker 5: for you, and I was like, okay, cool, like you
Speaker 5: know one yeah slushie or like a cool like a
Speaker 5: one am I good, you know, magical slushie?
Speaker 4: And then yeah, I got the script.
Speaker 7: Uh.
Speaker 5: And at this point, if you remember, I think you
Speaker 5: guys maybe had the same thing where like someone would
Speaker 5: actually come deliver you like an actual paper script because
Speaker 5: you know, yeah, which is.
Speaker 4: Always exciting for me. I'm like, oh my gosh, like,
Speaker 4: you know, so cool.
Speaker 5: And then that was the script has never been Kissed
Speaker 5: where you know where Kiosky kissed his Kurt, And I
Speaker 5: was just like I like leapt off the couch, excited
Speaker 5: as heck, and like ran and told Gen and she
Speaker 5: was like, oh my god. I was like this is
Speaker 5: outstanding because I had coached this whole time about like
Speaker 5: what is this guy's problem? Like what does he want?
Speaker 5: Like why is he being a bully understanding bullies? And
Speaker 5: I was like I was giving it so much more
Speaker 5: and I felt I like had to, but I'm so
Speaker 5: glad it developed into something that kind of felt real,
Speaker 5: felt grounded, like gave him purpose for doing everything he
Speaker 5: had been doing. You know.
Speaker 4: It was like in my mind, I was it was just.
Speaker 5: Like the natural jealousy of like he gets to sing
Speaker 5: a song and be in the show choir on the
Speaker 5: show and like I'm a jock and like I'm like
Speaker 5: I'm gonna bully you for that. But then when it
Speaker 5: was like revealed these were the reasons, I was like,
Speaker 5: oh my gosh, I gets so much more complex and
Speaker 5: there's so much more depth and like, you know, I
Speaker 5: knew people like that in high school.
Speaker 4: So kind of a dream come true.
Speaker 5: And if you guys you remember Dante di Loretto, who
Speaker 5: was a producer on the show, who was always very
Speaker 5: cold to me and never really said anything to me,
Speaker 5: But I remember him watching the rehearsals for the locker
Speaker 5: room scene, and it was like the first time he
Speaker 5: like smiled and like gave me that nod and like
Speaker 5: came like patted me on the back and like a handshake,
Speaker 5: and I was like, okay, like this is this needs
Speaker 5: something And so I took it, you know, very seriously,
Speaker 5: and I'm happy with the way it came out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we just watched an episode and you and Chris
Speaker 2: were apps lead phenomenal in that scene, and you also
Speaker 2: are just like beating the ship out of him the
Speaker 2: whole episode.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we were like, wow, that is intense.
Speaker 5: The whole series time there was there was like you know,
Speaker 5: there's times when you know, it's like always shoving him
Speaker 5: into like the locker bay, and I remember like, okay,
Speaker 5: so someone from the crew is like, hey, can you
Speaker 5: just like not push him that hard, Like let's let's
Speaker 5: just like take it easy, you know, or like you
Speaker 5: didn't see him.
Speaker 4: Get like pad it up and I'm like I'm sorry,
Speaker 4: like I don't know. I was trying to make the
Speaker 4: sound and like get into it. And I was like,
Speaker 4: oh my god, like you know, I was like Golden
Speaker 4: Globe winner. I was like by pushing him into a locker.
Speaker 5: Billy fired so so terrible, and I was always like okay,
Speaker 5: like I'm so sorry, you know, yeah, yeah, I definitely
Speaker 5: you know, beat him up.
Speaker 4: I think you know, pushed Darren into the gate in
Speaker 4: that episode. But yeah, that was a that was a
Speaker 4: big one.
Speaker 5: And then I remember like right after that it was
Speaker 5: crazy because it was like that life change of like
Speaker 5: like I got invited with Josh Sussman and Patrick Gallagher
Speaker 5: to go to d C to the Kennedy Center just
Speaker 5: like recognition on like on the plane and like the
Speaker 5: airports and.
Speaker 4: Like the city.
Speaker 5: I was like, okay, like now I'm like getting a
Speaker 5: sense of like you guys had you know, been living
Speaker 5: with and I was like, whoa, it just changed like overnight,
Speaker 5: like from the like before that episode aired to like
Speaker 5: the night after.
Speaker 4: I was like this, like the world just became like.
Speaker 5: Different, like through my eyes, and it's pretty crazy how
Speaker 5: fast that happened.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 5: Actually I remember getting invited the first time ever to
Speaker 5: a screening, those casting crew lunch screenings. Brad had called me.
Speaker 5: It was like, I think you're gonna be really proud
Speaker 5: of this episode, and you know, come come to the screening.
Speaker 5: And I remember leaving the screening and I remember you, Kevin.
Speaker 6: Like like running into my arms and like a big hug,
Speaker 6: and like meant a lot that it was a validation,
Speaker 6: you know from you of like okay, like you know, welcome,
Speaker 6: welcome to the show, Like there's something that's like worth
Speaker 6: you know doing.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's just it's one of those you know,
Speaker 2: we talked about the writer's strike, and it's so hard
Speaker 2: to get a job. You're happy to have your two lines,
Speaker 2: and then to be able to watch somebody come on
Speaker 2: the show, and it's hard to be the person that
Speaker 2: that pops in and pops out. I say time and
Speaker 2: time again, it really is, because you especially when we're
Speaker 2: an ensemble that's really close. And we talked to Josh
Speaker 2: Susman about this and how you know, you two really
Speaker 2: like related to each other because you had that similar
Speaker 2: trajectory on the show and within the show, and so
Speaker 2: to see somebody get given, get given that storyline and
Speaker 2: then just be so good and the care you had
Speaker 2: with CROSSI the entire time it was just, you know,
Speaker 2: we got to watch our friends perform and sing and
Speaker 2: do these crazy scenes, and we were always just always
Speaker 2: so proud of each other. And then to be able
Speaker 2: to see someone like you just bring it seemingly going
Speaker 2: from oh, I'm just gonna say some mean thing, push
Speaker 2: somebody up against the locker, and then here you are
Speaker 2: with this really beautiful and sensitive storyline. It was just
Speaker 2: it meant a lot to be able to like see
Speaker 2: that as a friend, as a fellow actor, and just
Speaker 2: being a fan of yours.
Speaker 4: It was you know, well, I thank you honestly. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 4: it felt special.
Speaker 5: And you know, even now, it'll be tough to find
Speaker 5: a roll that is that awesome and complex and nuanced
Speaker 5: and on a show that gets that many ratings and
Speaker 5: eyeballs like that was what, you know, we were so exciting.
Speaker 5: So I had done stuff before that, and since then,
Speaker 5: when you know you're shooting it and you're like, who
Speaker 5: knows if this is going to see the light of day,
Speaker 5: who knows how many people are going to watch? But
Speaker 5: it was like it was so exciting being on that
Speaker 5: set knowing like what we are doing is going to
Speaker 5: get washed in a few weeks by like you know,
Speaker 5: fourteen million people whatever whatever it was, and it's like
Speaker 5: this will change some minds and change some hearts and
Speaker 5: influence people, save lives. And that was the biggest thing too,
Speaker 5: where like it was like okay, transcended just like a
Speaker 5: role on TV to like making a difference, where like
Speaker 5: I started getting all those you know, letters and messages
Speaker 5: and emails.
Speaker 4: Of like just people that had kind of worked.
Speaker 5: Like the big the biggest note was kind of like
Speaker 5: they had seen some gay people portrayed on TV and
Speaker 5: gay characters, but they weren't ever like the masculine like
Speaker 5: Jock who you didn't see coming, and like thank God
Speaker 5: for this because now they feel validated.
Speaker 4: They felt seen.
Speaker 5: It was things where like their family had disowned them,
Speaker 5: and like after seeing this episode, the parents understood now
Speaker 5: who they were and like reached out to like you know,
Speaker 5: patch the family back up. And it was like just
Speaker 5: like in like Germany, it was like crazy, like wow,
Speaker 5: we just like patched the family up in Germany from
Speaker 5: like this episode of television, Like that's insane to like
Speaker 5: be just a part of it, which then make me,
Speaker 5: you know, took everything just more seriously and kind of
Speaker 5: felt that weight of like, Okay, like I'm representing like
Speaker 5: a lot of you know, people that don't feel seen
Speaker 5: and heard, which is like the whole point of the show, right,
Speaker 5: But it was so weird about that, yeah, I mean yeah,
Speaker 5: but so it was like I never had that conversation.
Speaker 4: There's never like that, you.
Speaker 5: Know, that Ryan sit down or like this is what
Speaker 5: we're gonna do, like let's talk about it, or let's
Speaker 5: talk about what people are like feeling about it, and
Speaker 5: like I would try, but like not you know, no,
Speaker 5: not much of a like a response.
Speaker 4: And I was like it was and to this day,
Speaker 4: it's like it's so it is weird.
Speaker 5: It's like that the josh Usman thing of I don't
Speaker 5: know if you guys remember like Life of Pie, but
Speaker 5: like there's that whole like relationship he has, you know,
Speaker 5: I think the lions, like Richard Parker or something, and
Speaker 5: he just like wants that lions like look back and
Speaker 5: acknowledge him, but like he just kind of goes.
Speaker 4: Off into the woods. And I was like, I'm like
Speaker 4: that's like Glee.
Speaker 5: I was like, like, no, there was never anyone that
Speaker 5: was like, hey, like we did it, like good job
Speaker 5: on the storyline, like you know, its just kind of
Speaker 5: like it just kind of ended, and I was like
Speaker 5: did that?
Speaker 4: Did that just happen?
Speaker 8: Like wow that it's like still like waiting for like
Speaker 8: that like closure, and it is and it is weird,
Speaker 8: but like you know, and I understand what you got
Speaker 8: talking about too, because I've been on the other side
Speaker 8: where I've been like the bigger part of shows and
Speaker 8: it's like.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you're just you know, you kind of bond more
Speaker 4: like all the time.
Speaker 5: Together, and it's like the guest stars are great and awesome,
Speaker 5: but like you just don't.
Speaker 4: It's like it's like you know, like in high school,
Speaker 4: where like.
Speaker 5: You know, you could all go to the same school,
Speaker 5: but like unless you're like you have like that one
Speaker 5: you know, night of partying where like some truth and
Speaker 5: some tears.
Speaker 2: Coming here, you have like that bond.
Speaker 5: You talk about it the next day and it's like,
Speaker 5: oh cool, like he's in my science class, but like,
Speaker 5: you know, we're not.
Speaker 4: We're just not like that.
Speaker 5: So I always understood like the backing order, you know,
Speaker 5: like where it was, but yeah, weird that like the
Speaker 5: outside world was like he's Onlee, like your Lee cast
Speaker 5: member been like doing it. I was like, but like
Speaker 5: am I kind of like straddling like the fence of
Speaker 5: like when will I be back?
Speaker 4: Will I be back?
Speaker 5: Like?
Speaker 4: Am I going back to the breadlines?
Speaker 5: Like it was a very weird like you know, like
Speaker 5: aye unstable kind of six years, but also like most
Speaker 5: exciting and rewarding. So yeah, still trying to deal with that,
Speaker 5: you know totally.
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, it's such a big storyline, even after
Speaker 3: that initial kiss from you know, the big episode where
Speaker 3: you attempt suicide. I mean it's such a massive undertaking.
Speaker 3: I'm curious like what that was like when you read
Speaker 3: that script. Did you know you were coming? Did you
Speaker 3: know that was coming? Did Ryan drop any nuggets and
Speaker 3: like what the response was or did you feel like
Speaker 3: did it shift at that point or what?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 5: I guess I kind of like solidify, I made my
Speaker 5: place like in you know, in the show, but also
Speaker 5: like I was again excited about it because working with
Speaker 5: my coach, it was kind of like this guy's and
Speaker 5: you know, a small town uh worried about his sexuality
Speaker 5: getting out there like his dad, you know, society, Like
Speaker 5: in reality, he would probably think about suicide. But I
Speaker 5: was like, they would never do this on like a
Speaker 5: Fox musical comic in.
Speaker 4: A way, there'll be some kind of hout.
Speaker 5: So when that actually came to me, you know, the script,
Speaker 5: I was like, oh my gosh. It was like it
Speaker 5: was really thank you to the writers for like doing
Speaker 5: this character justice and like showing what could happen to
Speaker 5: someone in that situation and in that position, and like
Speaker 5: you know, like let's let's be real about it and
Speaker 5: like let's really you know again, touch lives and like
Speaker 5: save some hearts, you know, and change people's minds and
Speaker 5: open up people's eyes.
Speaker 4: And it was a brutal episode to film.
Speaker 5: Like I was in a very you know, dark space,
Speaker 5: because you really I had like understand like what would
Speaker 5: lead someone to commit suicide and like just like the
Speaker 5: hopelessness and like the not having anyone to turn to
Speaker 5: and just like being like at like the literal like
Speaker 5: you know, end of your rope.
Speaker 4: And like, you know, just it's dark. And I remember
Speaker 4: sitting like on a.
Speaker 5: Golf cart with Brad Beeker like right outside the studio
Speaker 5: for like I don't like an hour, and he was
Speaker 5: telling me like these really vulnerable things about like you know,
Speaker 5: his life and his mindset and just like where he's been.
Speaker 4: And I was like confessing stuff.
Speaker 5: To him, but like like when my mom passed, and
Speaker 5: it was like this very like emotional like talk that
Speaker 5: put me in a great space to like go in
Speaker 5: and and then film and then again I knew I'm
Speaker 5: like representing people because at this time this was where
Speaker 5: like Fox started like kind of sending me to like, uh, doctor.
Speaker 4: Phil or like Access Hollywood or Doctor Drew.
Speaker 5: Like I was like out there like talking about teen
Speaker 5: suicides and cyber bullying because if you remember, this was
Speaker 5: like Twitter was huge then still, but like this was
Speaker 5: like the forefront of like when Anderson, Cooper and Ellen
Speaker 5: like everyone was talking about cyber bullying and teen suicides
Speaker 5: and I was like, this is crazy that I'm like
Speaker 5: playing this role at this time in the world, like
Speaker 5: this might not ever happen again. So yeah, it was huge,
Speaker 5: And the biggest reward of that was I remember were
Speaker 5: like at the end, it was like the Trevor Project.
Speaker 4: Kind of flash.
Speaker 5: Their hotline at the end of the episode was like,
Speaker 5: you know, if you need to help and you're dealing
Speaker 5: with stuff, and then I think that I don't know,
Speaker 5: the stats are out there somewhere, but it was like
Speaker 5: the calls went up like through the roof, Like it
Speaker 5: was the highest percentage of people that ever reached out to.
Speaker 4: The hotline for help, like minutes after that episode.
Speaker 5: And so again, to like to be a part of
Speaker 5: that was just like, uh, you know, incredibly rewarding and
Speaker 5: uh you.
Speaker 2: Know, yeah, how lovely it was. I mean, you never
Speaker 2: been kissed in that episode. You had Brad Peeker at
Speaker 2: the helm both times, just like the most thoughtful generous person.
Speaker 2: Was that helpful because he was there for because he
Speaker 2: was there for like the advent of Krofsky's real journey,
Speaker 2: having him sort of be a through line because like
Speaker 2: the Dante's and Ryan's were you know, doing other things, Beeker,
Speaker 2: you know, was there and because he was editing the
Speaker 2: show the whole time, really knew every all the characters,
Speaker 2: so so well, like, did you find that as an
Speaker 2: actor helpful to have him be able to connect those
Speaker 2: thoughts for you?
Speaker 4: Incredibly?
Speaker 5: I absolutely love working with him and I told him.
Speaker 5: I told him that too, because I never been kissed.
Speaker 5: I found I found it was. I think it was
Speaker 5: the first time I'd ever worked with like a director
Speaker 5: who was an editor really.
Speaker 2: And that was his first episode for US. Oh I'm directing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well I never would have known.
Speaker 5: It's incredible and we were definitely bonded in that episode.
Speaker 5: And what I loved about it was like, I don't know,
Speaker 5: there must have been like twenty something takes for like
Speaker 5: like the locker room scene, you know, they all the
Speaker 5: different coverage, but like it was so fun because he
Speaker 5: would like come out like I came in from like
Speaker 5: one door and Chris came in from like another door.
Speaker 4: And I remember Brad would go back and forth in.
Speaker 5: Between the takes and he would like kind of whisper
Speaker 5: something to Chris to change up his performance in a
Speaker 5: certain way, bring something, hear something new. Then he would
Speaker 5: come to me and he was like what if what
Speaker 5: if I you know, you go you go to Chris
Speaker 5: and like you know, you do this and that kind
Speaker 5: of thing. And I was like, okay, great, And it
Speaker 5: was just his freedom to like let's just try that
Speaker 5: because like we'll have twenty more takes, like let's just
Speaker 5: like throw everything out there. And it was like such
Speaker 5: an amazing like like good, like everything I was thinking about,
Speaker 5: everything he was thinking about, Like let's just throw it
Speaker 5: all out there and like keep it fresh and keep
Speaker 5: it new and kind of like surprise for you know,
Speaker 5: slam the locker this time, like punch this, you know,
Speaker 5: come out.
Speaker 4: It was like try the second kiss. It was like,
Speaker 4: let's just.
Speaker 5: Try everything that I'm feeling and like not hold back
Speaker 5: or worry about getting it like right as far as
Speaker 5: like correct, but like right like just from the heart.
Speaker 5: So that was like amazing and I was like, God,
Speaker 5: I always want to work with Brad again. And uh
Speaker 5: it was yeah, incredible the way it came out. And
Speaker 5: then the same thing you know with the suicide episode,
Speaker 5: there was just on my way. There was just that
Speaker 5: trust already like built in, and it was just kind
Speaker 5: of like look like you know, I don't know how
Speaker 5: many tears you can get out of me, but like
Speaker 5: I'm just like let's just just like you know, like
Speaker 5: when I open this laptop and like I see like
Speaker 5: the comments like let's just like you know, stay on
Speaker 5: me first, like give me this chance, like do that
Speaker 5: do this? Like okay, cool coming to get you know
Speaker 5: this angle and like you know this and that it
Speaker 5: was like it was just really great working with him
Speaker 5: and just you know, like understanding the vibe like that
Speaker 5: last time you're getting dressed, like like am I really
Speaker 5: going to do this?
Speaker 4: The fear the release.
Speaker 5: I remember how like carefully he treated that whole, like
Speaker 5: where I walked through the locker room and see uh
Speaker 5: fag written on the locker and just like you know,
Speaker 5: he was like it's gonna be like in slow motion,
Speaker 5: like I just want to see like you know, like
Speaker 5: your life kind of like leave your body. And again
Speaker 5: the way he like shot and like pushed in then
Speaker 5: like q cough syrup.
Speaker 4: I was like, oh my gosh, like it's pretty powerful.
Speaker 5: I'm like I'm like the guy, but I'm like I
Speaker 5: was like getting emotional watching it, and I was like shit,
Speaker 5: like he did a really good job. And then me
Speaker 5: and Brad like together we got we got invited to
Speaker 5: like go to Sacramento for a couple of years and
Speaker 5: like be a part of this great program called Directing
Speaker 5: Change because of that episode, and it was all it
Speaker 5: was like all these high school students were making short
Speaker 5: films about mental health awareness and like you know, stigmas
Speaker 5: and suicide prevention, and me and Brad were there to
Speaker 5: like spe I represent, you know, and like be either
Speaker 5: speak to the kids and judge the videos. Like again,
Speaker 5: it kind of became this like all right, like now
Speaker 5: we're we're out there in the real world.
Speaker 4: Like talking about these issues from the storyline.
Speaker 5: So it really did take on you know, like a
Speaker 5: pretty serious part of my life, like understand what I
Speaker 5: was talking about and talking to real kids going through it,
Speaker 5: and it was like, all right, this is more than
Speaker 5: just like memorizing lines and you know, showing up so
Speaker 5: again you know, awards and you know ratings, and it
Speaker 5: was like such a crazy crazy time is.
Speaker 2: As you know, yeah, yeah, for sure, it is crazy
Speaker 2: to think about. You mentioned this a couple of minutes ago.
Speaker 2: How when the show came out and it started to
Speaker 2: do well, we became very conscious of, oh, you know,
Speaker 2: X number of people are going to see what we're
Speaker 2: doing right now, Like we having that I don't know
Speaker 2: ability when we did the first thirteen episodes, don't have
Speaker 2: seen anything except the pilot, but knowing that you're doing
Speaker 2: these really serious things and then being able to like
Speaker 2: in three weeks as it was like a three week turnaround,
Speaker 2: did you in those three weeks sort of thing. Did
Speaker 2: you ever get scared or nervous? Especially with every time
Speaker 2: you were on screen you had some really heavy shit
Speaker 2: like you weren't you weren't there, We were clowns a
Speaker 2: lot of the time. You you were really handling tough
Speaker 2: issues and so like for us, like I'm excited for
Speaker 2: my parents to see this musical number we're doing. This
Speaker 2: is fun, you know, like I get out of my
Speaker 2: chair to dance. You are acting through some really tough things.
Speaker 2: Was did you ever have you know, I got scared
Speaker 2: for people to see some things like that flux of
Speaker 2: feelings of is this gonna work? Did we do this correctly?
Speaker 2: Because you're you're talking about suicide, You're talking about a
Speaker 2: bully kissing the person he's bullying. Yeah, what was going
Speaker 2: through your head? Because knowing that like fifteen million people
Speaker 2: were going to see this in three weeks as you
Speaker 2: were shooting it.
Speaker 5: Excitement like there was there was, There was no fear,
Speaker 5: And it was actually interesting because I mean, you know,
Speaker 5: I moved out here in LA when I was eighteen,
Speaker 5: right after high school and kind of like didn't do
Speaker 5: the college thing, and it's like a risky thing.
Speaker 4: I was like, well, I'm doing like senior recital, like singing, and.
Speaker 5: It's like everyone's like I'm going to you know, Brown
Speaker 5: and Carnegie, Mellon and Emerson, and I'm like, I'm just
Speaker 5: gonna go to La and see what happened.
Speaker 4: Like I don't know. Don't laugh at me, you know.
Speaker 5: But as I got better make it, it was like there
Speaker 5: was no plan B. So yeah, to be on like
Speaker 5: a dream show with a dream creator, knowing people are
Speaker 5: watching it, and all my high school friends were watching it,
Speaker 5: and like you know, all the texts and calls every week,
Speaker 5: and like it.
Speaker 4: Just felt incredible.
Speaker 5: I had like a big, a big support base from
Speaker 5: family and friends and actually I don't even know if
Speaker 5: you guys even knew.
Speaker 4: It was so crazy. There was there was jen you know.
Speaker 5: My wife had gone to like study theater in London
Speaker 5: with this guy Jeremy o'keef who ended up being a
Speaker 5: casting director who I like overheard while I was working
Speaker 5: at a restaurant talking about how he also like bartends
Speaker 5: at a bar called Silver Spoon, which is like on
Speaker 5: Santa Monica Boulevard, and like they had this back room
Speaker 5: that they would have glee nights and like they had
Speaker 5: TVs where everyone would come. It was I think it
Speaker 5: was a gay bar, and it was like, you know,
Speaker 5: they'd joke Lee and have drinks and Lee straws.
Speaker 4: There was the whole thing.
Speaker 5: And so like I was like, you know, like I'm
Speaker 5: actually on that show. Do you want some more lemonade?
Speaker 5: But like I was like I am like a bunch
Speaker 5: of episodes and he's like, come on buy and so
Speaker 5: like I remember like it started becoming a thing.
Speaker 4: Like I would go with like.
Speaker 5: Twenty friends and we'd all like watch the episode and like,
Speaker 5: you know, I have some drinks and like it was.
Speaker 4: A it was a big deal. It was really exciting.
Speaker 5: And but I remember when I got Never Been Kissed
Speaker 5: the script and there were people like on the you
Speaker 5: know crew uh other you know, there's people there's guys
Speaker 5: that were like is your dad gonna be cool with this?
Speaker 5: Like what what is he going to say? You're kissing
Speaker 5: a dude like on National TV?
Speaker 4: Like what do you what are you gonna do? Like
Speaker 4: use it like a liver protector or something.
Speaker 5: I was like like no, Like I didn't even like
Speaker 5: think about that until I was like asked confronted with that,
Speaker 5: because I was like no, like what like I'm an actor,
Speaker 5: and like you kiss like as a kiss and like
Speaker 5: lips or lips, and like the storyline is the storyline?
Speaker 4: Like I don't, I don't. I didn't really think about
Speaker 4: like that element of it.
Speaker 5: I just thought about like the character of you know,
Speaker 5: like what's coming like that, you know, the instinct of
Speaker 5: like why he's been doing what he's been doing for
Speaker 5: a year and like this release and.
Speaker 4: Honestly kind of reminded me a little bit Huh you.
Speaker 2: Took it so seriously like you care? I did, Yeah,
Speaker 2: but you're right.
Speaker 4: So it almost felt like I was shooting a different show.
Speaker 5: It was like it was like a very It was
Speaker 5: like a different tone, and I was like, this is
Speaker 5: crazy that they're putting this in this episode.
Speaker 3: But like we always say, it's like the hurt and
Speaker 3: the bird and like the heavy like and the heart
Speaker 3: of the show and then you've got like the clowns.
Speaker 4: That was work. It was beautiful.
Speaker 5: It was like through through the circus of that was
Speaker 5: like you have like that little dose of like hey,
Speaker 5: let me like found you in the heart with this.
Speaker 4: You know, it worked, but it really.
Speaker 5: It reminded me like of you know that American beauty
Speaker 5: scene where like Chris Cooper kind of goes and like
Speaker 5: kisses Kevin Spacey in the garage and I remember that scene.
Speaker 4: You know, rattles me still, and I was like that
Speaker 4: was powerful.
Speaker 5: So was like, okay, we can come, you know, anywhere
Speaker 5: close to like capturing that feeling of just like the
Speaker 5: release of what this guy must be feeling, like wondering
Speaker 5: what it feels like to kiss a guy, you know,
Speaker 5: after sixteen years, you know whatever, it is.
Speaker 4: Like, let's show that release.
Speaker 5: And then yeah, and then I found out you know,
Speaker 5: Ryan knew people like that in high school, and I
Speaker 5: think Brad Salchak has a friend named Dave Kurowski and
Speaker 5: he started messaging me on Facebook.
Speaker 4: So I.
Speaker 5: And like not at all like the character, just like
Speaker 5: you know, but anyway, yeah, it was. It was very rewarding,
Speaker 5: and I was very excited to do that storyline and
Speaker 5: really never had It was actually weird, was like more
Speaker 5: negative before Crosskey kind of exposed as like what his
Speaker 5: deal is. There's more negative, like comments on the street
Speaker 5: like you know, I leave Kurtlotop, you know, and then
Speaker 5: it was it became like thank you, Like, oh my gosh,
Speaker 5: I agree, like thank you.
Speaker 4: I feel seeing it or whatever, and I was like, whoa,
Speaker 4: this is like, this is a different it's a very
Speaker 4: crazy ride.
Speaker 3: Speaking of a crazy ride, your storylines get even crazier.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, we were doing some research because I
Speaker 3: have no memory of this, but please.
Speaker 2: We don't remember seasons season five and six.
Speaker 3: Yeah, tell me about you and your new lover Blade.
Speaker 2: Well, someone tweeted me a couple of weeks ago, or
Speaker 2: they tweeted and like, this is what I knew. Glee
Speaker 2: became off the rails and it was when Krofsky and
Speaker 2: Blaine started dating. And I retweeted it and said, this
Speaker 2: happened because I have no no offense to you or anybody.
Speaker 2: I don't even know what happened with me. I don't
Speaker 2: know anything.
Speaker 4: I don't even know.
Speaker 1: I don't know where we were at that time, No,
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was it was a long time time.
Speaker 4: Along for the ride.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was a long time ago. It was a
Speaker 5: long time in it was. It was we were in
Speaker 5: this this cyclone blur, you know, it was.
Speaker 4: It was wild.
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, how do you tell us about that experience?
Speaker 2: What happened?
Speaker 4: I mean again a blur?
Speaker 5: At that point, I was like, all right, I've done,
Speaker 5: you know, I've done what I'm gonna do, like the
Speaker 5: serious stuff for this character that's gonna make an impact.
Speaker 4: Like has has stopped.
Speaker 5: Then the show has changed, the world's changed, We've all
Speaker 5: gone through some things. But again, just like happy to
Speaker 5: be along for the ride, happy to be a part
Speaker 5: of the show, happy to keep seeing you guys and
Speaker 5: putting on the jacket, happy to you know, have an
Speaker 5: income and be working, and really just it was fun
Speaker 5: at that point.
Speaker 4: It was kind of like you know, there was there
Speaker 4: was so.
Speaker 5: Much pressure on those earlier episodes where I was like
Speaker 5: sitting in my like you guys would like be having
Speaker 5: like fun and like you know, the base camp and
Speaker 5: I was like.
Speaker 4: In my trailer like doing like breathing exercises. Just I
Speaker 4: was back.
Speaker 5: I had one shot to like nail this and like,
Speaker 5: you know, represent hundreds of thousands of.
Speaker 2: Peopce assholes are singing Lady Gaga and I.
Speaker 4: Wish I was through Lady Gaga.
Speaker 5: But no, there's like a freedom in that of like
Speaker 5: you know, you all have like each other and having fun.
Speaker 5: And I was like I like, shoot, like it's this
Speaker 5: is like on me, and like I better nail it
Speaker 5: or like I'm not asked back. So there was a
Speaker 5: very big like pressure until season six and I was
Speaker 5: like all right, cool, Like I'm walking in there's a
Speaker 5: bear cub. There's like Jane Lynch telling me me and
Speaker 5: Darren are related with a family tree at a restaurant,
Speaker 5: like I don't know, but like love Darren, Like Darren
Speaker 5: and I hit it off at that first episode, never
Speaker 5: been kissed, we like bonded, and you know we're we're
Speaker 5: still close, and so like I was like this is insane,
Speaker 5: but like, hey, I get to work with you. I
Speaker 5: get to work with my buddies and work with you
Speaker 5: and Chris and and you know, cool directors and have
Speaker 5: a good time.
Speaker 4: And it was fun just to be a part.
Speaker 5: Of it without the weight of you know, like the
Speaker 5: pressure of what it was at that point. And also
Speaker 5: though really, you know, I think a nice happy ending
Speaker 5: that like it didn't result into his side and like
Speaker 5: he is okay to be out in the world and
Speaker 5: be happy and date and go do line dancing at
Speaker 5: gay bars and uh, you know, be out there and
Speaker 5: and kind of like gives give people hope, like there
Speaker 5: is you know, there is a life, and there is
Speaker 5: a world that like will accept you and there are
Speaker 5: you know, people will understand you and kind of feel
Speaker 5: free to reach out to people and try new things.
Speaker 5: And so I was appreciative of that and that like
Speaker 5: it didn't end in a tragic way.
Speaker 4: But yeah, so I just I just had fun. But yeah,
Speaker 4: it was. It was a weird. It was a weird thing.
Speaker 4: I me and Blaine dated. Uh.
Speaker 1: I tried to date of Datum too, so don't worry.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Tina tried to date Blaine too, So it's fine.
Speaker 4: We all tried.
Speaker 1: We all tried.
Speaker 4: Sure, yeah, yeah try why not, you know, but it
Speaker 4: was it was a good time.
Speaker 3: Before we wrap this up, Max, I'm curious. We ask everybody,
Speaker 3: like what is the feeling that leaves you.
Speaker 5: With honestly, like longing it's kind of sad, but I
Speaker 5: do I think it was a great It was a
Speaker 5: great time in in my life. Like it was like
Speaker 5: a you know, a huge hit show and all the
Speaker 5: perks that come with all the all the you know,
Speaker 5: all the stuff, the award shows and the restaurants and
Speaker 5: the fun, you know, the life that comes with it
Speaker 5: and like being seen, you know for your work and uh,
Speaker 5: and yeah, I don't know, you know, who knows if
Speaker 5: something like that, Well it was like lightning in a bottle,
Speaker 5: so who knows if or when it will come again.
Speaker 5: And also you know, Jenna, you know, you know, I'm parent,
Speaker 5: you know, everything's different now, like you know, marriage and kids,
Speaker 5: and it's like that, I can't believe, like that happened
Speaker 5: when we were like in our twenties and like footloose
Speaker 5: and fancy free, like you know what a time like
Speaker 5: that again, Like it's it won't really be the same,
Speaker 5: Like that was very cool, and you know with all
Speaker 5: those people like the same age like going through it.
Speaker 5: So yeah, like I I miss it, and I really
Speaker 5: do look upon those times very fondly because I don't
Speaker 5: think I was like in the trenches or the drama
Speaker 5: as much as you know, you guys obviously were, so.
Speaker 4: Uh, it's kind of all all good for me and
Speaker 4: I I I miss it.
Speaker 1: That's awesome. Well, we we're grateful to have you.
Speaker 3: We've been watching the show again obviously with this podcast
Speaker 3: and like as a viewer versus like you know, an
Speaker 3: actor in the show, and it's just really it's really
Speaker 3: different and profound and a beautiful, like more positive lightweight
Speaker 3: and we get to see the work that you put
Speaker 3: in and then talk to you about how serious you
Speaker 3: really did take your role and as an actor, and
Speaker 3: you're you know, just approached Krofski and and it really
Speaker 3: paid off. And so we're really grateful for you and
Speaker 3: your time on the show and what you shared with
Speaker 3: everybody and then coming on and hanging out.
Speaker 1: With this again and just your friendship.
Speaker 4: So thanks Max, Well, thank you, feelings mutual. Thank you
Speaker 4: for everything you guys did on the show.
Speaker 7: Pretty cool, you know, thank you very very thanks for
Speaker 7: having congrat podcast, and thank you.
Speaker 1: Out of the family.
Speaker 2: Thanks. I'm sure we're gonna have to voice you. I'm
Speaker 2: sure a lot more as.
Speaker 1: We do y question memories and things, and we'll voice you.
Speaker 4: Bring I'll I'll be standing by.
Speaker 2: Awesome, Thanks so much. Is so good to see you.
Speaker 4: So good to see you. Thanks guys, take care Bye.
Speaker 1: Did you know David Truma quit TV right before he
Speaker 1: got Friends.
Speaker 3: He quit and went back to Chicago to do theater,
Speaker 3: and Marta Coffman and all the creators friends were like,
Speaker 3: but we wrote this with you and Mi with Ross,
Speaker 3: so you have to come back and do it. And
Speaker 3: he is like, and they're like, he had a bad
Speaker 3: experience on another TV show. I can't remember which one
Speaker 3: it was. And he's like, never again, I'm not doing
Speaker 3: TV ever again and the like we promised it will
Speaker 3: be different.
Speaker 1: Just come back and he's like, all right, well, if
Speaker 1: you're write for me, I'll come back. There's there's friends.
Speaker 2: Well see what happens when you're good like Max is
Speaker 2: just good. Yeah, Like we had no idea he had
Speaker 2: all that like formal that's right. Training.
Speaker 3: Well, thanks Max coming on and thanks for listening with us,
Speaker 3: and hope your.
Speaker 2: Sweet man keep it up. Sweet, you're so talented.
Speaker 1: Can't wait to see you on the next.
Speaker 2: You know, we need to get into that. We have
Speaker 2: to have him back. We have so many more questions
Speaker 2: for everyone.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll have him for the next big Crafts gift.
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