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Speaker 1: take care while listening. Welcome to a special bonus episode
Speaker 1: of Forgotten Women of Uirez, which we're releasing to coincide
Speaker 1: with International Women's Day. We also have some exciting news
Speaker 1: to share. This podcast is being adapted into Spanish, German
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Speaker 1: we're honored that this story is reaching a global audience
Speaker 1: and continuing to spark important conversation. Because the story is
Speaker 1: not over. Femicides continue and families are still seeking justice.
Speaker 1: Here is Paula Flores. I want to keep denouncing my
Speaker 1: daughter's case, the injustice she suffered. I think that in
Speaker 1: some way it keeps her her memory alive. I'll say
Speaker 1: too that when we're no longer here, she'll live on
Speaker 1: and say, a documentary, a book, and that's where the memory,
Speaker 1: if Sagredo, will remain. Whenever I make a public presentation
Speaker 1: or good an important meeting, I always first pray to God,
Speaker 1: then to Sado help me find the words to express myself.
Speaker 1: But I always feel that that my daughter is always
Speaker 1: with me. In this episode, we talk about memory and protest,
Speaker 1: and we have a conversation prompted by a question we
Speaker 1: received time and again from you, our audience, what can
Speaker 1: we do to help? I'm as Flashi and I'm this
Speaker 1: is forgotten the women of gas you know, not see
Speaker 1: Halla Felicia so well, first art, Happy International Women's Day.
Speaker 1: Thank you, as it does feel like an appropriate moment
Speaker 1: for us to be talking again. Yes, yes, likewise, I'm
Speaker 1: very glad that we are able to launch the Spanish
Speaker 1: version on this day. I remember this time last year
Speaker 1: I went out. It was one of the last mass
Speaker 1: public events I went to before the COVID lockdowns was
Speaker 1: to this march on International Women's Day in Suda, and
Speaker 1: I remember just what an emotional moment it was, especially
Speaker 1: at the beginning of the march, where some of the
Speaker 1: leaders of the protest, they were speaking the names of
Speaker 1: some of the women whose stories I've come to know
Speaker 1: very intimately into a bullhorn into the crowd. Hearing their names,
Speaker 1: it was just a very very emotional momentum and recognizing
Speaker 1: just how long this had gone on and here we were,
Speaker 1: yet again crying for justice for the same sorts of crimes,
Speaker 1: you know, twenty some years, almost thirty years after they
Speaker 1: first began in that city in Wadis. As sad as
Speaker 1: that moment was, I feel like that much you told
Speaker 1: me at the time kind of gave you a little
Speaker 1: bit of a boost of strength around. Yes, yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm glad that you mentioned that, because my initial feelings
Speaker 1: and reaction to being at that march were sadness and grief.
Speaker 1: And then you see this younger generation of women who
Speaker 1: may not have even been born when the femicides first
Speaker 1: got noticed in Wattis, and they're energetic and they're angry.
Speaker 1: And so by the time we reached the final destination.
Speaker 1: At the end of the march, I had a completely
Speaker 1: different feeling. I got a sense of empowerment there by
Speaker 1: the end of the march, that each and every single
Speaker 1: one of us needs to keep going. I mean, I
Speaker 1: almost didn't come out here today. I decided about forty
Speaker 1: five minutes before the beginning of the march to come out,
Speaker 1: and I'm glad I did because I see so many
Speaker 1: familiar faces that have seen this tragedy play out, just
Speaker 1: like me, and they're out here. They're out here, they're marching,
Speaker 1: they're fighting, they're protesting. What good does it do in
Speaker 1: the end? Ultimately, demonstrations like this bring women together, energize them,
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Speaker 1: podcast thinking about that sense of beginning in one emotional
Speaker 1: state and ending in another and going through a process that,
Speaker 1: funny enough, also reminds me of doing a podcast very honestly.
Speaker 1: And you know, we talked in the first episode about
Speaker 1: your hesitation to join the project, but then the idea
Speaker 1: of having the opportunity to present the story over the
Speaker 1: course of almost ten hours versus informal increments on NPR
Speaker 1: kind of getting you to the yes column. And I'm
Speaker 1: curious as to now, with some months of distance, how
Speaker 1: you look back on the process, you know where we
Speaker 1: ended up and yes, how did it all feel in
Speaker 1: the end? Well, the first word that comes to mind
Speaker 1: is cathartic. It's not often that journalist gets to stop
Speaker 1: for any length of time, look back and reflect on
Speaker 1: a career. How all these four and a half minute
Speaker 1: stories ultimately connect and tell a bigger story about the
Speaker 1: region and about the world, how the world operates, and
Speaker 1: how the world operating impacts this particular part of the world.
Speaker 1: This podcast gave me the opportunity to make that reflection.
Speaker 1: It made me a wiser human being. It grounded me
Speaker 1: in a way that I don't think a lot of
Speaker 1: journalists have the opportunity to be grounded, because you're just
Speaker 1: going from one story to the next story to the next,
Speaker 1: and you don't stop and step back and assess the
Speaker 1: wider scope of the work you've done. And why is
Speaker 1: that important? Well, it has a lot to do with
Speaker 1: with feeling grounded as a professional and as a human being.
Speaker 1: Look back, where did you come from? And it helps
Speaker 1: you decide maybe where you want to go. What's most
Speaker 1: important to you in life, And it's not just about
Speaker 1: work going on to the next assignment, that kind of
Speaker 1: reflection I consider a gift, and I hope I wish
Speaker 1: that more journalists are given that opportunity. It's crucial, it's critical.
Speaker 1: When you ask me about takeaways from doing this podcast,
Speaker 1: I mean one of the takeaways is learning how to
Speaker 1: manage the effects of trauma. One of the things I've
Speaker 1: learned as a journalist too, is that eventually it will
Speaker 1: catch up with you, and when it does, the last
Speaker 1: thing you should do is try to shove it down
Speaker 1: and ignore it. Rather, you've got to find a way
Speaker 1: to manage it, and one of those ways is to
Speaker 1: talk about it. And Paula told us a similar version
Speaker 1: of the same thing, that repeating her daughter's story was
Speaker 1: not only a way to keep her memory alive, but
Speaker 1: it was also a kind of therapy for her, and
Speaker 1: that she's taking this weight that she carries it and
Speaker 1: vocalizing it, putting it out off her shoulders and out
Speaker 1: into the world. And it also feels like an action,
Speaker 1: like a sort of activism, as long as it's continuing
Speaker 1: to denounce this injustice. One of the more gratifying experiences
Speaker 1: of the podcast for me was when you interviewed Paula's
Speaker 1: granddaughter in El Paso, and she said what she said
Speaker 1: to you. Well, Paula's granddaughter is bilingual. She's fluent in
Speaker 1: both English and Spanish, and so she was just about
Speaker 1: the only one in the Gonzales Flores family who was
Speaker 1: able to listen to the English version of our podcast
Speaker 1: as it was coming out last year, and so you know,
Speaker 1: I somewhat nervously shared a link to the series so
Speaker 1: that she could listen, and I asked her, please, please
Speaker 1: tell me what you think, don't hold back. One of
Speaker 1: the thoughts she shared was that she felt like she
Speaker 1: was getting to know her aunt Sagrario in a way
Speaker 1: she hadn't before, in a way that her family hadn't
Speaker 1: shared with her previously, and felt a connection to felt
Speaker 1: like an intimacy with that she didn't have before. That alone,
Speaker 1: to me, was humbling and special. I knew about my aunt,
Speaker 1: and I knew like who she was, but I didn't
Speaker 1: actually felt like I knew her. And there was a
Speaker 1: point in the podcast where I was I was like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, like she was a person, Like she
Speaker 1: was a living being, and just felt like she was
Speaker 1: real rather than just like somebody that they told me about.
Speaker 1: How does granddaughter's reaction saying that she felt like she
Speaker 1: knew her aunt better having listened to our podcast. That's
Speaker 1: essentially the mission statement of why we're doing this show
Speaker 1: in Spanish. Yes, it gets to the heart of why.
Speaker 1: From the very beginning, I was very adamant that we
Speaker 1: also do a span Is adaptation of this podcast. Why
Speaker 1: because so many storytellers have come to Howatis, many of
Speaker 1: them from outside of Mexico, outside of Howattis, to tell
Speaker 1: the stories of these missing and murdered women, and oftentimes
Speaker 1: the final project isn't in Spanish, so it's not something
Speaker 1: that these families who made a huge emotional investment in
Speaker 1: the project can ultimately listen to and judge. So this
Speaker 1: is why it was very important to me that we
Speaker 1: give them that opportunity in this particular podcast, that we
Speaker 1: produce it in Spanish, so that they could listen and
Speaker 1: judge for themselves. You told me when you working with
Speaker 1: the host of the Spanish version, there was a moment
Speaker 1: where you had this almost moment of first booms or something. Yes. Yes,
Speaker 1: So we have a European podcasting company called Podimo that
Speaker 1: has graciously stepped up to do these trilingual adaptations. Of Forgotten,
Speaker 1: one of the hosts of the Spanish podcast. As I
Speaker 1: was reading up and trying to learn about who she was,
Speaker 1: to my surprise, I read that she was the editor
Speaker 1: of none other than Sergio Gonzalez Rodriguez, who investigated the
Speaker 1: femicides in Wadis alongside Diana Washington Valdes. Wow, so she
Speaker 1: has a very she has a direct and intimate link
Speaker 1: to this story. She was there. She was editing Sergio's
Speaker 1: story reporting from the cotton fields that we discussed in
Speaker 1: episode four. He was in the cotton fields reporting along
Speaker 1: alongside Diana Washington Valdez and Rossana Fuentes Berain was his editor.
Speaker 1: And she's also the host of the Spanish adaptation of Forgotten.
Speaker 1: And yes, that absolutely gave me goose bumps when when
Speaker 1: I learned of it. And who's our other host in Spanish?
Speaker 1: The other host is another badass female journalist. Her name
Speaker 1: is Sandra Romandia and Sandra is an investigative journalist in
Speaker 1: Mexico who, like me, grew up near the US Mexico border,
Speaker 1: only she grew up on the south side in the
Speaker 1: state of Sonora. And Sandra, I mean, she's done tremendous
Speaker 1: things in her career, including writing a best selling book
Speaker 1: on narcos in Mexico City. She's done phenomenal work exposing corruption,
Speaker 1: including a story that got some public housing officials fired
Speaker 1: after the twenty seventeen earthquake in Mexico City. I also
Speaker 1: want to mention that the German and Danish versions have
Speaker 1: hosts who are no slouches either. In Denmark, this is
Speaker 1: going to be Anne Courtson, who is an award winning
Speaker 1: journalist who is well known for her work on how
Speaker 1: misogyny affects politics in Denmark. And in Germany there are
Speaker 1: two hosts, Dutson Tekkal and Leila Yenser. Dutson is reported
Speaker 1: on sexual violence perpetrated against Yazdi women by Isis, and
Speaker 1: Leila has done a lot of work on violence against
Speaker 1: migrant women in Germany. So even the hosts who are
Speaker 1: working on this podcast, I think demonstrate how this podcast
Speaker 1: is both very specific to a certain region but also
Speaker 1: connects to this kind of global women's movement. Yes, universal,
Speaker 1: it's universal, sadly the experience of women around the world.
Speaker 1: I'm glad that there are that there are strong women
Speaker 1: behind behind these adaptations. One of the other big questions
Speaker 1: that kept coming was what's happening now? Do the femicides continue?
Speaker 1: And you obviously on the ground, I'm wondering how you
Speaker 1: answered that question. Yes, yes, Well, to be perfectly transparent,
Speaker 1: I have spent hardly any time in Wattas since the
Speaker 1: pandemic began, so I haven't been there on the ground
Speaker 1: myself to get a close up sense of what is
Speaker 1: happening in Wattis. But I do keep up with news
Speaker 1: reports there and with colleagues who are working there, And
Speaker 1: what I can tell you is that Wattas right now
Speaker 1: is experiencing what appears to be yet another wave of
Speaker 1: drug violence like we not unlike the wave we experience
Speaker 1: ten years ago in which women were missing and later
Speaker 1: turned up in clandestine graves. Right now, there is a
Speaker 1: lot of drug violence happening in Wattis. It appears again
Speaker 1: to be a dispute between warring drug cartels, and twenty
Speaker 1: closed with roughly sixteen hundred murders, and one hundred and
Speaker 1: eighty two of those murders were women, Ten of them
Speaker 1: were under age. Now are the same serial sexual murderers
Speaker 1: that we discuss in the series Happening in Huattis The
Speaker 1: truth is, I'm not entirely sure. What I do know
Speaker 1: is that I'm seeing reports of individual cases that sound
Speaker 1: that have every indication that they are femicides. I've read
Speaker 1: reports of women being murdered in Huata's last year, who
Speaker 1: turned up with their hands tied behind their backs, having
Speaker 1: been killed by strangulation, found wrapped in a blanket tossed
Speaker 1: on a street, showing signs of torture and sexual assault.
Speaker 1: So femicide absolutely persists in two thouth, howattist, and it continues,
Speaker 1: and not only in Huatas, but throughout Mexico. There was
Speaker 1: a very intense article published early last year in Harper's
Speaker 1: magazine looking at femicide in Elstello e Mexico, the state
Speaker 1: of Mexico, which is the state that surrounds the capital,
Speaker 1: Mexico City, and the rise of femicide there. In twenty twenty,
Speaker 1: there were nine hundred and forty femicides nationwide in Mexico,
Speaker 1: and so it very much continues to be a serious
Speaker 1: problem throughout the country and in Huattas as well, which
Speaker 1: brings us to the next question, which is what can
Speaker 1: we do? Yeah, what can we do? My goodness, you know,
Speaker 1: it's a very very complex question to answer. After our
Speaker 1: series concluded, a lot of people ask me, well, what
Speaker 1: companies should I be boycotting because they've got a factory
Speaker 1: in Huattas, And my goodness, I wish it were that simple,
Speaker 1: but it's not. And the reason being is that you know,
Speaker 1: these these companies make up the guts of things, components
Speaker 1: of things inside our car and our washing machine, in
Speaker 1: our smartphone, and few have recognizable names. There's a few,
Speaker 1: of course, whose names that we recognize who have factories
Speaker 1: and Wattas, Boeing, General Electric, Johnson and Johnson FOXCN has
Speaker 1: a plant in Wattas that makes Dell laptops. But the
Speaker 1: point is it's it's very tough to boycott the things
Speaker 1: that they make. Um, you can't exactly rip out the
Speaker 1: electric harness in your car, which very likely was assembled
Speaker 1: in Wattas. You can't easily boycott energy generated by wind
Speaker 1: turbines whose blades were made in Wattas. And you could
Speaker 1: choose not to use the WiFi in the Dallas Cowboys Stadium,
Speaker 1: but that's not going to better the conditions for the
Speaker 1: workers who assemble the cables that make that Wi Fi possible.
Speaker 1: So you know this is why I say it's so complex.
Speaker 1: It's more about rejecting the economic systems that exploit people
Speaker 1: all around the world. And how do you do that?
Speaker 1: I mean this this has to do with larger policy decisions,
Speaker 1: and how do you influence that. Well, that is somewhat simple.
Speaker 1: Um at the ballot box. Yeah, it's interesting. I have
Speaker 1: another podcast called Sleepwalkers, which is about technology and society
Speaker 1: and our interaction with technology. One of the most interesting
Speaker 1: insights that came out of that podcast is that the
Speaker 1: big technology companies train us to think as consumers, not
Speaker 1: as citizens. And of course, you know, if if price
Speaker 1: and convenience are the two key drivers of decision making,
Speaker 1: we end up with very very very powerful corporations and
Speaker 1: very weak democracy. In other words, sometimes you know, we
Speaker 1: need to make harder choices, but it's not really fair
Speaker 1: to expect us to make those as individuals. One of
Speaker 1: the guests on Sleepwalkers was you of ol Noah Harari,
Speaker 1: who wrote a book called twenty one Lessons for the
Speaker 1: twenty first Century, and he said, the most important thing
Speaker 1: you can do is to organize. Is whether it's a
Speaker 1: group of five or ten or twenty people, just get together,
Speaker 1: set a common cause and begin to think about steps
Speaker 1: that you can take towards that cause. I couldn't agree
Speaker 1: more us, I couldn't agree more. Yes, this collective activism,
Speaker 1: and that was one of the things that regrettably we
Speaker 1: didn't get into in the podcast series are the stories,
Speaker 1: the countless stories of brave and committed activists who gave
Speaker 1: voice to the injustices happening in insue love howaters. And
Speaker 1: that's the kind of activism that is lacking and that
Speaker 1: is necessary to create change, whether it's in Mexico or
Speaker 1: in the US or anywhere else in the world. And
Speaker 1: we've forgotten that because, as you say, we've become better
Speaker 1: consumers than citizens, and we need to work as a
Speaker 1: country to change that, to switch to switch back to
Speaker 1: becoming better citizens for the sake of our democracy. We
Speaker 1: have all witnessed the ill effects of a deteriorating democracy,
Speaker 1: and I think we should use that as fuel to
Speaker 1: fortify it, to take the actions necessary to fortify our democracy.
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Speaker 1: you get your podcasts. And in terms of more specific
Speaker 1: things that people can do, yes, where do we fall
Speaker 1: on that? Okay, yes, there are certainly more practical things
Speaker 1: that we can do, and a few of those on
Speaker 1: my list. You know, first and foremost is to stop
Speaker 1: consuming illegal drugs from Mexico. There's no two ways about it.
Speaker 1: If you purchase drugs from Mexico, or if you purchase
Speaker 1: drugs and you don't know where the hell they're coming from.
Speaker 1: You have blood on your hands. Another thing that we
Speaker 1: can't do directly, but we can. It's also a policy
Speaker 1: related solution, is to enact the sort of gun regulation
Speaker 1: that makes it more difficult to smuggle weapons across the border,
Speaker 1: which are used by drug cartels to enforce their own
Speaker 1: laws and fortify their business. The majority of weapons and
Speaker 1: arms that are used in drug violence in Mexico are
Speaker 1: coming from the United States. So, no matter what you
Speaker 1: think of the Second Amendment, the free flow of guns
Speaker 1: from the US to Mexico contributes directly to the violence
Speaker 1: and mayhem there. And you know a third thing I
Speaker 1: would mention, and it's a very simple thing you can
Speaker 1: do every day, is to stop using sexist language. This
Speaker 1: is something again that we do on a daily basis,
Speaker 1: and we don't even think about it. We're so numb
Speaker 1: to it. Phrases like I'm going to use expletives here,
Speaker 1: but motherfucker, son of a bitch calling someone a pussy.
Speaker 1: In Spanish, it would be things like chinga or pure.
Speaker 1: These are phrases that imply violence against women, and they're
Speaker 1: insulting to women and they label women as weaker beings,
Speaker 1: and it validates violence and mistreatment against women, and this
Speaker 1: overall sense that women are inferior or less than human,
Speaker 1: which brings us to a quote that you shared with
Speaker 1: me from a book you've been reading, which I think,
Speaker 1: once again speaks to the timelessness of this story, which
Speaker 1: points from the specific to the universe. So what do
Speaker 1: you mind sharing it with us? Yeah, so I want
Speaker 1: to share that. After we finished the series, I felt
Speaker 1: compelled to pick up a book by a writer named
Speaker 1: Nina McLoughlin, and the book is called Wake Siren Avid Resung,
Speaker 1: and it's a retelling of Ovid's metamorphoses from the voices
Speaker 1: of the women in those stories, many of whom were
Speaker 1: the victims of violence. And as I'm reading these tales,
Speaker 1: you know, all I could think of was, my God,
Speaker 1: these tales are two thousand years old, and this has
Speaker 1: been happening since the beginning of time. And it wasn't
Speaker 1: just the violence against women that struck me, but it
Speaker 1: was the power imbalance between the gods and the mortals.
Speaker 1: Because the gods, who are just as fallible as humans,
Speaker 1: but their power goes unchecked, and therein lies the problem
Speaker 1: back then, and therein lies the problem today. Another thing
Speaker 1: that struck me about this book was during one of
Speaker 1: our interviews, Paula told me that she looks at the
Speaker 1: night sky and sees her daughter in the stars, and
Speaker 1: she believes that all of the murdered women have become constellations.
Speaker 1: And of course, in Metamorphoses, there's the story of Callisto,
Speaker 1: who's raped by a god and she and her son
Speaker 1: become two constellations in the sky, the Big Bear and
Speaker 1: the Little Bear. And Paula remembers learning about this constellation
Speaker 1: as a as a kid in school, so that that
Speaker 1: connection was somewhat eerie and moving at the same time.
Speaker 1: I've always associated the stars with my daughter. I've always
Speaker 1: said that my daughter is one of those stars that's
Speaker 1: always shining brightly. You know how we look up at
Speaker 1: constellations like the Great Bear and the Lesser Bear, those
Speaker 1: we learned about in school. I still look for them,
Speaker 1: and I think that all the girls who have been
Speaker 1: murdered are connected to the stars, that one of those
Speaker 1: stars could be my daughter. Towards the end of Nina's book,
Speaker 1: she retells another story, um the story of the Sirens,
Speaker 1: And you'll remember that these are the women who supposedly
Speaker 1: lure men to their deaths with their irresistible song and
Speaker 1: their portrayed as these monsters. But what's less known is
Speaker 1: that originally the sirens were three young women who were
Speaker 1: searching for their missing friend, a young goddess who was
Speaker 1: kidnapped and raped by the king of the underworld. And
Speaker 1: these girls one day they were out picking flowers and
Speaker 1: singing in the meadow when their friend was snatched away.
Speaker 1: And in Nina's version, the sirens continued to sing after
Speaker 1: the loss of their friend, and so she writes this
Speaker 1: in the voice of the sirens, She writes, do our
Speaker 1: harmonies haunt and vise the mind, pressing out all sense?
Speaker 1: Do men sometimes leap from their boats and try to
Speaker 1: swim to where our voices are? Oh, sister, yes they do.
Speaker 1: Is it our fault or our intention? Oh sister, it
Speaker 1: is not. We sing a song of consequence. We sing
Speaker 1: a song of cost. They know it so, and call
Speaker 1: us monsters. Then she continues a few lines later, Now, sing,
Speaker 1: oh sister, sing and sing and sing will join our
Speaker 1: voices in the chorus, and the sound will rise like bells,
Speaker 1: like wind, like strings, like prayer. The song that's yours
Speaker 1: to sing louder, louder, you'll see and if the song
Speaker 1: doesn't land and light the dark, sister, keep singing your song, holy, consequential, true.
Speaker 1: So why do I share this with you? As I
Speaker 1: guess at the beginning of the series, didn't think that
Speaker 1: I could sing this song again, sing the story of
Speaker 1: this song again, And in fact, I still have my doubts.
Speaker 1: I doubt it all the time whether I can continue
Speaker 1: singing this song that's been sung for thousands of years now,
Speaker 1: since the beginning of time. It's exhausting for all of us.
Speaker 1: But reading this passage in Nina's book reminds me that
Speaker 1: absolutely we must continue singing, we must continue denouncing the injustice.
Speaker 1: And as Nina writes, it's a song that's holy, it's
Speaker 1: a song that's consequential, and it's a song that's true.
Speaker 1: So beautifully put money. It puts me back in mind
Speaker 1: of that International Women's Day March that you attended this
Speaker 1: time last year. Yes, yes, that's precisely. That's precisely the
Speaker 1: feeling I had at the end of the march, And
Speaker 1: it's precisely the feeling that I had after reading Nina's
Speaker 1: book and it's something that we need a constant reminder of.
Speaker 1: We need to keep singing, we need to keep denouncing,
Speaker 1: We need to keep finding the sources of fuel to
Speaker 1: continue to do so. You can listen to Forgotten Women
Speaker 1: of Juarez now in Spanish on the Polymo app, and
Speaker 1: from March twenty second it will be available on the
Speaker 1: iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
Speaker 1: Just search for Olivia Lass. You'll know. Now, You'll know,
Speaker 1: No Gods Halla, Felicia Forgotten. The Women of Juarez is
Speaker 1: co hosted by Me Monica and me Osveloschen. Forgotten is
Speaker 1: executive produced by Me and Mangesh Hattikia. This episode was
Speaker 1: mixed by Jessica Krinchich. The production coordinator is Lindsay Hoffman
Speaker 1: and the supervising producer Julian Weller. Special thanks to Eva
Speaker 1: Lexca of Polymo and Carrie Liberman of iHeart for the
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