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Speaker 1: Please take care while listening. Last time on Forgotten, I said,
Speaker 1: what are those around circle marks? Burn marks? They said,
Speaker 1: that's cattle Browde's boss. So forget those confessions. If you
Speaker 1: see the file, the original file, there is not a
Speaker 1: single evidence that connects the bus drivers to their crime.
Speaker 1: I protected the file when I said to a Josh,
Speaker 1: I quit I resigned. They were probably the first lawyers
Speaker 1: to be so open about, you know, what they understood
Speaker 1: about the femicides in Wais and they started to mention
Speaker 1: that there were people getting away with murder, getting away
Speaker 1: with murder, killing without consequences, impunity. It was two thousand
Speaker 1: and one and eight women's bodies have been discovered in
Speaker 1: a well traffic part of Wirez called the cotton Field.
Speaker 1: Rather than pursuing a real investigation, authorities had apparently tortured
Speaker 1: two bus drivers into confessing. They claimed that the men
Speaker 1: abducted women will high on cocaine and marijuana, but as
Speaker 1: commercial bus drivers, they were routinely tested for drugs and
Speaker 1: they'd never failed. The police also alleged that the bus
Speaker 1: drivers used a van to abduct the women, but there
Speaker 1: was no evidence to connect the dead women to the van,
Speaker 1: and in fact, the van didn't even work. This was
Speaker 1: the third time a mass grave of women had been
Speaker 1: discovered in Juarez, and the third time that scapegoats had
Speaker 1: taken the fall. But who were the real killers and
Speaker 1: how did they keep getting away with it? Those are
Speaker 1: questions that continued to haunt Oscar Minez, the city's former
Speaker 1: chief forensics officer. At they beginning, I thought it was
Speaker 1: a typical case of a serial killer, but as more
Speaker 1: evidence came in for me at Lisi, there was highly
Speaker 1: organ to group acting on behalf of someone. So someone
Speaker 1: would have dug, someone would retain the victim for a while,
Speaker 1: and then someone would rape and kill and probably an
Speaker 1: arguable disposal of the bodies. The thing is, the people
Speaker 1: who did this, they have power to remain free to
Speaker 1: not being investigated. So there's money and power behind these middles,
Speaker 1: I believe. So, Oscar, if you had been allowed to
Speaker 1: do your job to the end, do you think that
Speaker 1: your team would have come up with enough evidence and
Speaker 1: information that might have helped There were a lot of
Speaker 1: lines of investigation that you could have developed if you
Speaker 1: stuck to the case. But I mean, they don't care.
Speaker 1: Poor women are disposable, so they decided to shut the
Speaker 1: case to present this image of having a fishing police department.
Speaker 1: Protecting the image of the police department is a more
Speaker 1: charity table explanation for the scapegoating around the women's murders.
Speaker 1: A more chilling explanation is that somebody was protecting the
Speaker 1: identity of the true killers. But Olsco refused to participate
Speaker 1: in the cover up. In fact, he tried to hamper
Speaker 1: the state's case by refusing to plant evidence that connected
Speaker 1: the bus drivers to the crimes. This kept alive the
Speaker 1: possibility that the true killers could finally be exposed, especially
Speaker 1: when some prominent lawyers picked up where Oscar left off,
Speaker 1: defending the bus drivers and publicly alleging a miscarriage of justice.
Speaker 1: I'm Ozvoloshi and I'm this is forgotten the women of
Speaker 1: Guarrasa Felicia. The discovery of the mass grave at the
Speaker 1: cotton field, followed by the scapegoating of the bus drivers,
Speaker 1: ignited a spark around the world. The protest movement in
Speaker 1: Juarez was already being led by mothers like Paula Flores
Speaker 1: and activists like Esther Chawazcano, but this time it seemed
Speaker 1: like real change might be possible. It was in this
Speaker 1: context that some prominent lawyers decided to take on the
Speaker 1: bus drivers as clients. So these two bus drivers have
Speaker 1: given an improbable confession to eight murders. But Monica, how
Speaker 1: do they end up being represented after that confession? So
Speaker 1: eight bodies are discovered in the car field four days later,
Speaker 1: the police parade these two innocent bus drivers before the press,
Speaker 1: and a couple attorneys come out to be their defenders.
Speaker 1: Mario Escobedo Junior had a law practice with his father,
Speaker 1: Mario Escobedo Senior in downtown Houatis. Mario Junior was twenty
Speaker 1: nine years old. He was born and raised in Huadis,
Speaker 1: and he took on the bus drivers case pro bono,
Speaker 1: and he told the Fort Worth Star Telegram that he
Speaker 1: wanted the police to find the true killers because he
Speaker 1: had two young daughters himself, ages seven and nine, just
Speaker 1: like Diana, just like Oscar, just like the families, the
Speaker 1: mothers and the wives of the bus drivers. They wanted
Speaker 1: to expose the truth and put it dagger in the
Speaker 1: lies they believed were being told by the people who
Speaker 1: were supposed to protect them, the authorities. So they're stepping up.
Speaker 1: How did they go about defending the bus drivers? What
Speaker 1: was that case based on? Their case was largely based
Speaker 1: off of these allegations and the evidence of torture present
Speaker 1: on the bus drivers' bodies. After the bus drivers were
Speaker 1: taken to jail, the warden organized a press conference for
Speaker 1: these two suspects, and it was during that press conference
Speaker 1: that the bus drivers lifted up their shirts and showed
Speaker 1: the burn marks on their belly. And so these two
Speaker 1: attorneys were very vocal in the press, both foreign and local,
Speaker 1: about all these holes that they were punching in the
Speaker 1: police's investigation into the cotton fields. Dinah Washington Valdez knew
Speaker 1: the escabas we asked her what they were revealed about
Speaker 1: who was really behind the murders. They were defending people
Speaker 1: they had been scapegoaded by the authorities. They were very
Speaker 1: efficient at their jobs. They were considered competent lawyers, and
Speaker 1: they also had a lot of experience in defending police
Speaker 1: officers who had been accused of irregularities and wrongdoing, so
Speaker 1: they had a lot of connections with the police community.
Speaker 1: In twitis, authorities may have felt like they could stonewall
Speaker 1: the mothers and intimidate journalists, but now they had opponents
Speaker 1: with real influence. This was the first instance in which
Speaker 1: someone with credibility, you know, a lawyer who's pointing out
Speaker 1: this investigation as irregular for these reasons. Images of the
Speaker 1: tortured bus drivers circulated, but the authorities maintained that they
Speaker 1: had not coesced the bus drivers that the burnmarks were
Speaker 1: from the drivers' own cigarettes. The lawyers had their first challenge.
Speaker 1: So all of these new kinds of side issues, like
Speaker 1: coming to prove torture and then holding the police accountable
Speaker 1: for that torture became thorn's in the sides of the authorities.
Speaker 1: And that's when this whole story begins to take another
Speaker 1: turn into the darkness. It was the evening of February fifth,
Speaker 1: two thousand and two, almost exactly three months after the
Speaker 1: bus drivers had been arrested. Mario Escobado Junior had left
Speaker 1: the law office he shared with his father and was
Speaker 1: driving in his pickup truck to meet a client when
Speaker 1: he noticed something strange. Mdio became aware that he was
Speaker 1: being followed. Mario drove faster and faster, hoping to lose
Speaker 1: his tail, but he couldn't, so he did the only
Speaker 1: thing he could think of. He called his father on
Speaker 1: the cell phone and said to help me, help me,
Speaker 1: and then he crashed crashed into a tree. All Mario's
Speaker 1: sor had heard was the police for help and a
Speaker 1: loud crash, so he feared the worst when he rushed
Speaker 1: to the scene, and when he arrived, the police told
Speaker 1: him that his son had died in a car accident.
Speaker 1: Later they admitted to shooting him, but claimed a case
Speaker 1: of mistaken identity. Then they changed the story again and
Speaker 1: said Mario Junior had been shooting at them, so they
Speaker 1: shot back. According to Diana, they even peppered a police
Speaker 1: car with bullet holes after the fact to make it
Speaker 1: look like they'd been a shootout. Well, you have to
Speaker 1: call it a murder, because what else can it be.
Speaker 1: According to witnesses, Imrio Scobro was driving. He was driving
Speaker 1: this truck. He crashes the policeman, jumps in the back
Speaker 1: of the pickup truck, breaks the window behind the driver's seat,
Speaker 1: and then shoots him in the head. That's murder. Can
Speaker 1: you tell us about the community response in Huades to
Speaker 1: Mario's death and what the family did to call attention
Speaker 1: to it. Mario Scobido's death is important for this reason.
Speaker 1: It created terror in the community because it's like a
Speaker 1: big warning to everybody. Back off. Everybody back off. The
Speaker 1: families got scared for a while. Everybody got scared, but
Speaker 1: they didn't stay scared for long. There was an outcry, yes,
Speaker 1: you know. Mario Scobido's family knew or suspected that his
Speaker 1: murder was committed by a state police officer. But beyond that,
Speaker 1: the family suspected that this was a state authorized, state
Speaker 1: ordered execution, okay, And so in order to drive that
Speaker 1: point home, the family took his casket and placed it
Speaker 1: in front of the Chihuahua State Attorney General's offices in Huadis.
Speaker 1: It's sort of like a public display of I accuse
Speaker 1: you of having killed my son, this young man. The
Speaker 1: fact that a lawyer is murdered in such a public way,
Speaker 1: or should we call an execution, indicates that we're talking
Speaker 1: about something very big behind these murders. And that's frightening
Speaker 1: because we're dealing with levels of power that beyond the
Speaker 1: regular people in the community. It's a very big thing.
Speaker 1: Within a year of Mario Escobado Junior's assassination, a newspaper
Speaker 1: in Mexico City called La Ronala published an abstract of
Speaker 1: Diana's book, The Killing Field Harvest of Women. It was
Speaker 1: then that the pitch of threats against Diana reached boiling point.
Speaker 1: My book was not written well, It was not a
Speaker 1: literary effort. It was not the nest I felt. I
Speaker 1: had a very short time in which to get it out,
Speaker 1: and there were moments when I would pray, Oh God,
Speaker 1: give me enough time, enough life to finish this, because
Speaker 1: this may be all I ever can do for the
Speaker 1: victims is to document what has happened to them. And
Speaker 1: now I don't go over there. I can't go over there.
Speaker 1: The US Consulate's office warming nut to step over, and
Speaker 1: Diana's avoided tours since two thousand and three. When we
Speaker 1: come back, we hear about the chain of events set
Speaker 1: off by Mario Escobado Junior's assassination and how it led
Speaker 1: to first hand testimony about what was happening to the women.
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Speaker 1: there's this sense of escalation here. First you have vulnerable
Speaker 1: women being murdered and the authorities refusing to really help
Speaker 1: in the investigations. Then you have scapegoats being pinned with
Speaker 1: the crimes, tortured into confession, and then you have a
Speaker 1: lawyer defending one of the scapegoats who gets assassinated. Monika
Speaker 1: describe this assassination and the uprule that followed as a
Speaker 1: turning point in the femicides. Up until this point, it
Speaker 1: had just been threats. But here we have someone who's
Speaker 1: pushing back against the official line, against the government investigation
Speaker 1: who gets killed. Mario had recently announced that he was
Speaker 1: going to file criminal charges against the state police for
Speaker 1: kidnapping and torture of his client, and Mario Sor calls
Speaker 1: his son's death a cowardly assassination at the hands of police.
Speaker 1: He and fellow attorneys take his son's casket, carry it
Speaker 1: over their shoulders straight to the front door of the
Speaker 1: State Attorney General's office in wadis, and with this very
Speaker 1: dramatic gesture, they accuse the state of outright murder. Just
Speaker 1: the picture of this scene is enough to send shivers
Speaker 1: down your spine. That gesture is symbolic of the accumulated
Speaker 1: anger and frustration over a decade. It's not only the
Speaker 1: women who are being murdered, but it's the people who
Speaker 1: are coming to the women's defense who are being targeted.
Speaker 1: What about the father, What kind of risks do you
Speaker 1: think he was taking by leading this protests? The father
Speaker 1: was taking on tremendous risks. He's so angry, he's so
Speaker 1: lost in grief that he comes out publicly and tells
Speaker 1: the killers, Hey, if you're going to go after anyone next,
Speaker 1: come after me, but don't do it at my home.
Speaker 1: Do it in my office. Leave the rest of my
Speaker 1: family out of this. A few years later, a local
Speaker 1: newspaper in watts uncovers that the state police commander who
Speaker 1: shot Madyo Junior was appointed to an anti corruption unit
Speaker 1: at the federal level in Mexico City. Well, talk about
Speaker 1: impunity and Mario Junior. How much did his actions end
Speaker 1: up helping the bus drivers? His actions did play a
Speaker 1: major role in the bus drivers eventual exoneration, and so yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe Madia traded his life for the life of somebody else.
Speaker 1: He's become a very powerful symbol. He's allowed us to
Speaker 1: have this conversation and to expose the depths of the
Speaker 1: corruption behind his death and behind the investigation of these
Speaker 1: women's murders. Rather than silencing the truth, the assassination of
Speaker 1: Mario Escobado Junior in two thousand and two began to
Speaker 1: knock down a series of dominoes that would ultimately expose
Speaker 1: what was really happening to the women. After two thousand
Speaker 1: and three, Dina Washington Vale has stayed away from Juarez,
Speaker 1: but that very year, another journalist plunged into the story
Speaker 1: at the deep end, Alfredo Corcillo, and through a series
Speaker 1: of twists and turns driven by one person's desire for revenge,
Speaker 1: Alfredo was introduced to a source with firsthand knowledge of
Speaker 1: the killings. I was able to interview him. But so
Speaker 1: this was the first time that I might talking to
Speaker 1: someone face to face, and he's given me an account
Speaker 1: and I witness account. So before we hear Mormonica, who
Speaker 1: is Alfredo? So, Alfredo Corcillo is the correspondent for the
Speaker 1: Dallas Morning News, based primarily in Mexico City and along
Speaker 1: the US Mexico border. He also wrote a book called
Speaker 1: Midnight in Mexico Today. Alfredo is a big shot reporter,
Speaker 1: but he comes from very humble beginnings like Paula Flores.
Speaker 1: His family is from the Mexican state of Durango. Alfredo's
Speaker 1: family immigrated to the US, where he worked alongside his
Speaker 1: parents picking vegetables in the San Joaquin Valley of California.
Speaker 1: Then later they moved to al Paso. He enrolls in
Speaker 1: the local community college where he takes up journalism. It
Speaker 1: was an incredible laboratory because you're at student journalists, did
Speaker 1: you feel like a foreign correspondent. You're literally criss crossing
Speaker 1: the border. And he started reporting at this momentous time
Speaker 1: on the border where there was growing resistance to a
Speaker 1: longstanding one party rule in Mexico. This was a time
Speaker 1: that you felt like the revolution was into aquadas. This
Speaker 1: is where it was taken off. For seventy years, Mexico
Speaker 1: was ruled by a single political party, so it was
Speaker 1: very hard to enact change and reform, and so this
Speaker 1: is why people were out protesting in the seventies and
Speaker 1: in the eighties people would protest wearing white in silence,
Speaker 1: holding candles down the main streets of waters. Alfredo talks
Speaker 1: about his career being shaped by this coverage because he
Speaker 1: believed that Mexico's salvation hinged on the democratization of Mexico.
Speaker 1: He saw so much hope, You saw the possibility of change.
Speaker 1: It's interesting to think of Fuaras at this place that's
Speaker 1: been a crucible of protests for generations. We've had a
Speaker 1: lot about powder Flores Its protest and the Mother's protest.
Speaker 1: But long before that, there were these pro democracy protests
Speaker 1: in horrors in the eighties, but then they didn't come
Speaker 1: to fruition for a while. It wasn't until almost twenty
Speaker 1: years later that PERCENTE. Fox became president. Yeah, there was
Speaker 1: this historic election finally in the year two thousand and
Speaker 1: it happens to coincide with the US presidential election of
Speaker 1: George W. Bush, and these two presidents are supposed to
Speaker 1: begin a new era of unprecedented friendship and cooperation between
Speaker 1: the US and Mexico. We consider you a friend, garcias
Speaker 1: amigo Presidente de Mexico. Sur recepion, Alfelo was sent to Washington,
Speaker 1: d C. With the idea that he would follow and
Speaker 1: cover the relationship between these two presidents. Then September eleventh
Speaker 1: happens and all these dreams and promises come crashing down
Speaker 1: because the US is no longer focused on Mexico. It's
Speaker 1: focused on fighting a war on terror, and it's the
Speaker 1: beginning of a new era of militarization of the border.
Speaker 1: So Alfredo he sees his usefulness in Washington diminishing, and
Speaker 1: he's looking for a way to get back into Mexico.
Speaker 1: His editors eventually give him that opportunity I had. It
Speaker 1: just came back finally, Exam, we'll send you back, but
Speaker 1: can you go through the Ahuas? Can you spend some
Speaker 1: time in El Paso? I kept thinking, No, I meant it,
Speaker 1: eat my mother's food for a while and go back home. Sure.
Speaker 1: The assignment was, can you find out who's killing the
Speaker 1: women ahuadis? Why were so many women either missing or
Speaker 1: kill or disappear. As a reporter, I mean it was
Speaker 1: one of the most difficult story because, I mean everybody
Speaker 1: had their own agenda, or their own theory, or their
Speaker 1: own conspiracy. It was two thousand and three. Padrick Crawford
Speaker 1: was FBI special agents in charge of El Paso and
Speaker 1: had warned of an American serial killer. Oscar Minez was
Speaker 1: sounding alarm about an organized group, and Diana had published
Speaker 1: stories about the Echo Computer School. In the midst of this,
Speaker 1: Alfredo was on his way back to the border in
Speaker 1: search of definitive answers. I mean, it just started asking people,
Speaker 1: you know, this was that, And I hooked up with
Speaker 1: the reporters and quais, people who also cover the marches
Speaker 1: many years before. Everybody kept telling me. Talked to a
Speaker 1: stead Chavist. A stead Chavist was a known activist and
Speaker 1: see alas human rights activists. This was a homecoming for Alfredo.
Speaker 1: He was coming back to al Paso and Juarez, and
Speaker 1: he was coming back to cover another protest movement. At
Speaker 1: his very center was Esther Chavez Kana. A few years previously,
Speaker 1: she'd help Paula Flora's break into that meeting with the
Speaker 1: Attorney General to demand help finding Sagrario, and now Alfredo
Speaker 1: was interviewing Esther. When I was doing an interview, it
Speaker 1: was kind of funny because I feel like all these
Speaker 1: questions I'm asking her how the thing questions she gets
Speaker 1: asked every day I mean she had an answer for everything.
Speaker 1: Bam bam bam. I kept asking you who's behind the
Speaker 1: women and he kept telling me, Look, I'm not an investigator.
Speaker 1: My job is really too sort of raise the profile
Speaker 1: and try to shame Mexico into doing something. But she
Speaker 1: finally said, if you really want to know the underbelly
Speaker 1: of what you need to talk to. I mean, that
Speaker 1: little phrase is kind of intriguing. You know, the Devil's lawyer,
Speaker 1: Dantel Maras. When we come back, Alfrener tells us about
Speaker 1: the difficulty of securing an interview with the so called
Speaker 1: Devil's lawyer and the revelations that came when he finally did.
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Speaker 1: Estrakana hesitated to introduce Alfredo to Dante Amarras, the so
Speaker 1: called Devil's lawyer, but it's possible there was out of
Speaker 1: concern for his safety. Dante was a colleague and friend
Speaker 1: at the Escarbados and was involved in the defense of
Speaker 1: the bus drivers at the time Marriot Junior was assassinated,
Speaker 1: but Dante also had a reputation of being a lawyer
Speaker 1: for the Juires Underworld. I thought, okay, Dante can maybe
Speaker 1: you know what the name like dantell Malas, you know,
Speaker 1: maybe he does know what's going on. But I kept
Speaker 1: calling and Colin, his daughter was always very polite and
Speaker 1: she would say, my father was very busy, but he'll
Speaker 1: get back to you at some point, and that's how
Speaker 1: it began. I mean, just trying to read as much
Speaker 1: as I could, try to interview as many officials, authorities,
Speaker 1: reporters who cover this esther, victims, many mothers, and try
Speaker 1: to piece it together, hopefully waiting for Dante to call back.
Speaker 1: Others had warned you that Dante had a dubious reputation
Speaker 1: as a reporter. That's often something you want to stay
Speaker 1: away from, but yet you really wanted to interview him.
Speaker 1: I mean, when Escratavis told me that this was a
Speaker 1: guy I needed to talk to. I began by asking
Speaker 1: other colleagues what do you know about Dante? And most
Speaker 1: of them would say or stay away from him. He's bad,
Speaker 1: his information is bad, he's dirty. But there was one
Speaker 1: editor and he would actually walk from widest Ville Passo
Speaker 1: we meet right in downtown a Passo because he felt
Speaker 1: more comfortable on the uside. But he said, you should
Speaker 1: totally talk to Dante. I said, well, what about all
Speaker 1: these things? He says, that's why you need to talk
Speaker 1: to Dante, because he's in the underworld. He knows everyone.
Speaker 1: The very reason why journalists would normally have reservations about
Speaker 1: someone like Dante made him the perfect source. For this story,
Speaker 1: so afraid who keeps cooling? Finally, after three months of hounding,
Speaker 1: Dante called me back and the Devil's lawyer tells Alfredo
Speaker 1: Biensquirez tomorrow morning, Aten he'd give Alfredo the exact location
Speaker 1: fifteen minutes before the meeting. Let's talk about Dante's backstory.
Speaker 1: One of the more intriguing parts is that he represented
Speaker 1: the other bus driver accused in the cotton Field murders.
Speaker 1: He was actually friends with Mario Escobedo and his dad,
Speaker 1: Maria scol Junior, was someone I knew. He was my
Speaker 1: sister in law's cousin. Maria Scobel Senior told Dante what
Speaker 1: had happened, and basically what had happened was the son.
Speaker 1: He's calling his father and saying, hey, they're coming after me.
Speaker 1: I think they want to kill me. He's begging the father,
Speaker 1: you know, called the governor, called someone you know, interfeed,
Speaker 1: but there was nothing Mario Escobeto's senior could do to
Speaker 1: save his son, and this set Dante on the path
Speaker 1: for revenge. The reasons why Dante got involves it was
Speaker 1: his friends. The Escobelos and the Escobezo were really driven
Speaker 1: by this because they felt that these two men, said
Speaker 1: Io and La Foca, had been unjustly accused, and they
Speaker 1: were forced into confession, and you have done there, you
Speaker 1: know well now, as he put it to me later,
Speaker 1: it wasn't about rule of law, It wasn't about democracy.
Speaker 1: This was about getting either. For Dante, defending the bus
Speaker 1: drivers was a way to honor his fallen friend, but
Speaker 1: it was also a way to avenge him, because exposing
Speaker 1: the truth of the scapegoating would obviously be very uncomfortable
Speaker 1: to the people who killed Mario, the state police, and
Speaker 1: in fact, Dante received threats that he would meet the
Speaker 1: same fate as Mario, but he kept going anyway. He
Speaker 1: went to court and MPR reports that he showed the
Speaker 1: judge pictures of dried blood on the legs and bruises
Speaker 1: around the groin where the electrodes had been attached to
Speaker 1: the bus drivers. The judge looked at the photos and
Speaker 1: responded that the light in the courtroom was too dim.
Speaker 1: He couldn't see anything, so the state's case stood. In
Speaker 1: this moment, Dante realized that his only path to justice
Speaker 1: was outside the system. He had to expose the real
Speaker 1: killers himself, and in Alfredo, he saw a means to
Speaker 1: exact his revenge, but he was still going to make
Speaker 1: the journalists work for the information. It takes a while
Speaker 1: to get done there, to open up. It was like
Speaker 1: little by little by little, and every time I felt
Speaker 1: like I was about to leave and think, you know,
Speaker 1: maybe my colleagues are right. This is just it's just
Speaker 1: it's just going around and around in circles. And then
Speaker 1: you began that trying to figure one on each other,
Speaker 1: not revealing our secret I think, rent our stories, but
Speaker 1: kind of trying to figure out, Okay, what are you
Speaker 1: made of? What are you made of? That kind of stuff.
Speaker 1: And then Dante starts to tell Alfredo this strange story
Speaker 1: about a cicario, a hitman who had fallen foul of
Speaker 1: his superiors in the cartel. He another group of people
Speaker 1: have been accused of robbing drugs from the cartel. So
Speaker 1: the cartel gave chase and shot a lot of these
Speaker 1: guys because in the underworld, you don't rob from your superiors,
Speaker 1: and if you rob, you know, you get the ultimate
Speaker 1: because you're death. Except this young man didn't die. He
Speaker 1: was found under this group of bodies, you know, hala
Speaker 1: bodies who survived the shootout with cartels with people who
Speaker 1: were there and say hey, you stole from us. The
Speaker 1: young man made it back to Juarez and managed to
Speaker 1: get in contact with Dante, who promised to protect him
Speaker 1: in return for information. Dante, very smart, decided to hide
Speaker 1: this guy in prison, tookment to prison under fast charges
Speaker 1: under a different name. He had very good friends in quiet.
Speaker 1: He would always leave me with the little titbit and
Speaker 1: one of them was this guy's alive if you're interested.
Speaker 1: Not only was he alive, but he claimed to know
Speaker 1: exactly what was happening to the women, and Dante was
Speaker 1: ready to set up the interview that's in our next episode.
Speaker 1: I'm as Voloshin, See you next time, Ive Felicia Forgotten.
Speaker 1: The Women of Juarez is co hosted by Me Monica
Speaker 1: and me oswald Oshin. Forgotten is executive produced by Me
Speaker 1: and mangesh Haartikula. Our producers are Julian Weller and Katrina Norvelle.
Speaker 1: Sound editing by Julian Weller, Jacopo Penzo and Aaron Kaufman.
Speaker 1: Lucas Riley is our story editor. Caitlin Thompson is our
Speaker 1: consulting producer. Production support from Emily maronoff and Aaron Kaufman.
Speaker 1: Our theme tune is the Each Other and simienthal As
Speaker 1: performed by Natalie Lae. Music by Leonardo Heblum and Hakkabo Liebermann.
Speaker 1: Additional music by Aaron Koffman. Special thanks to the reporting
Speaker 1: of Karen Brooks and Scott Carrier, which contributed to this episode.
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