Speaker 1: Morning.
Speaker 2: Everybody's dej Envy Charlamagne the guy. We are the breakfast Club.
Speaker 2: I guess co host Claudia Jordan is here, Yes, indeed,
Speaker 2: and we got a special guest in the buildings to
Speaker 2: meek A Mallory.
Speaker 3: Welcome back.
Speaker 4: Hey, Hey, hey, are you having me? I'm excited to
Speaker 4: be here. It's been a while, a long time. You
Speaker 4: I appreciate it.
Speaker 5: They invite me, and I say, no, really, yeah.
Speaker 6: But you got a lot of work that you're doing
Speaker 6: right now. You gotta get to worry out about some things.
Speaker 4: A lot happening. I say.
Speaker 5: I've been telling people that the movement is on all
Speaker 5: cylinders right now. It's so many things, so many cases.
Speaker 5: Actually I wrote stuff down for bruh. I gotta really
Speaker 5: know what h to inform people about. But there's a
Speaker 5: lot happening. I think you know. The overall thing that
Speaker 5: we need to know is that our country is in
Speaker 5: big trouble and everyone, everybody is going to suffer as
Speaker 5: a result. But whenever we in trouble, black folks, brown people,
Speaker 5: we suffer the most.
Speaker 3: And you tried to tell them we in a state
Speaker 3: of emergency. You got your books sitting right here.
Speaker 5: It is a state of emergency indeed, and it's getting worse.
Speaker 5: I mean, you and I talk about this all the time.
Speaker 5: To me, it feels like it's getting worse. I think
Speaker 5: also because a lot of people are so numb they
Speaker 5: don't really want to focus anymore. And that's dangerous because
Speaker 5: there's just too many things to do, too much to
Speaker 5: know about, and we just need to be well informed
Speaker 5: about what we're up against. And I think that you know,
Speaker 5: being able to call it what it is, that white supremacy,
Speaker 5: excuse me, and white vigilanteism is on the rise. And
Speaker 5: of course we're dealing with issues within our own community,
Speaker 5: with mental health problems and poverty, cause and violence. There
Speaker 5: is a tension and a feeling in the country that
Speaker 5: I'm sure you all feel, and it's really dangerous.
Speaker 4: It's not a comfortable space.
Speaker 5: And you know, I don't think it gets better just
Speaker 5: by us ignoring the problem.
Speaker 7: How do you think we get around this fatigue? Because
Speaker 7: I do notice there is a fatigue. Right, It seemed
Speaker 7: like we were all all hands on deck maybe twenty twenty,
Speaker 7: in the height of all the George Floyds were protesting
Speaker 7: all that. Everybody seemed like, all right, we on this
Speaker 7: and it seemed like everyone just kind of fell off.
Speaker 7: Every people, thank God for you, but it seems like
Speaker 7: there's a lot of fatigue right now, Like people say,
Speaker 7: I'm tired of hearing.
Speaker 5: About it, and I think people also, First of all,
Speaker 5: movements always are up and down. They never stay consistent
Speaker 5: at one pace. It's impossible. People have to get back
Speaker 5: to their lives. Folks have families and things that they
Speaker 5: have to do, so that's normal. But there is a
Speaker 5: fatigue that, unfortunately, I think doesn't change until people feel
Speaker 5: so uncomfortable that they have no choice but to get
Speaker 5: back in the game. And you know, we try to
Speaker 5: continuously sound the alarm by making sure folks feel like
Speaker 5: there's a way for them to fit in and get in,
Speaker 5: but it's not until you start feeling it on your block,
Speaker 5: in your home that is like, oh, wait a minute,
Speaker 5: where's the where's the protest or who am I supposed
Speaker 5: to be voting for?
Speaker 4: You know what am I supposed to do? To jump
Speaker 4: in the fight?
Speaker 1: So let's let's start.
Speaker 2: You know a lot of people they don't necessarily run
Speaker 2: because a lot of people don't know what's going on.
Speaker 2: Like we get bombarded with so much in the news,
Speaker 2: and half the time we don't.
Speaker 1: Know what's real or what's fake, what's true, what's false?
Speaker 1: What should we be focusing on?
Speaker 4: Now?
Speaker 1: What are you focusing on?
Speaker 5: Well, you know, I wrote these things down so that
Speaker 5: you know, we could kind of break things into different parts.
Speaker 5: You know, in the summer twenty twenty, since you brought
Speaker 5: that up, a lot of corporations were talking about their
Speaker 5: commitment to diversity.
Speaker 4: That was the whole thing.
Speaker 5: In fact, corporations made pledges for millions and millions, probably
Speaker 5: billions of dollars, and certainly we've not seen that in
Speaker 5: the movement and across all spectrums of areas where marginalized
Speaker 5: communities need support, most companies have either you know, gone away,
Speaker 5: they you know what you call it, out of sight,
Speaker 5: out of mind. And then some did a few things.
Speaker 5: And of course we can't ignore that the recent news
Speaker 5: on Black Lives Matter has certainly helped people find a
Speaker 5: way to say, oh, well, you know, maybe I shouldn't
Speaker 5: be given to those causes, which you know, we talk
Speaker 5: all the time about how or bullshit on a lot
Speaker 5: of it. Nonetheless, it has.
Speaker 4: Been an issue.
Speaker 5: It is an issue, and so one thing I have
Speaker 5: been focused on is calling corporations back to the table.
Speaker 5: And I've been working specifically on a company called Pinini,
Speaker 5: and people are like, how did you get in sports
Speaker 5: and trading cards? Sports memorabilia and trading cards? Like where
Speaker 5: did that come from? But I always I often remind
Speaker 5: people that every case we get involved with, we.
Speaker 4: Find out from the people people call us.
Speaker 5: They call us and say it's a police brutality incident,
Speaker 5: they say something happened in the jail. That's how we
Speaker 5: got Imparchment Prisons with shout out to our family at
Speaker 5: Rock Nation and Team Rock because we worked to really
Speaker 5: make change in Parchment. And I'm sure people in Parchment
Speaker 5: are probably like, what change. You know, it's still slow coming,
Speaker 5: but we did work with the local community in Mississippi
Speaker 5: to make some change there. But this all comes from
Speaker 5: people calling us elected officials, concerned citizens, scary folks. That's like,
Speaker 5: don't tell nobody it's you know that I called. But
Speaker 5: somebody hit me up and was like, like, hey, you
Speaker 5: should check out what's going on at this company, Panini.
Speaker 5: They have seventy five percent of their trading cards and
Speaker 5: their talent, if you will, black athletes back black and brown.
Speaker 5: But primarily black athletes. A three billion dollar company with
Speaker 5: no senior executives that are black people, not even one.
Speaker 5: So when we found it out, we were like, okay, well,
Speaker 5: first of all, maybe we don't know, maybe they just
Speaker 5: didn't put them on the website. You know, we're gonna
Speaker 5: see and we sent a letter to Panini. It took
Speaker 5: them a while to get back to us until it
Speaker 5: started to pick up in the media, especially after we
Speaker 5: sent letters to the NFL and the NBA and the players'
Speaker 5: associations and all the others asking why are you partnering
Speaker 5: with these folks who are allowing them to use your talent?
Speaker 5: It's basically our people being exploited, and so you know,
Speaker 5: folks is like, well, how are you going to tell
Speaker 5: this company what they should do with their business? But
Speaker 5: of course we can't allow that because diversity, equity and
Speaker 5: inclusion is supposed to be the moral like heart of
Speaker 5: every business, especially when you're using our brands, and then
Speaker 5: you won't hire our people and put them in senior
Speaker 5: level positions. And the other thing is, it's like, what's
Speaker 5: the matriculation process for the people who already worked there?
Speaker 5: They claim they have ten thousand I mean, excuse me,
Speaker 5: ten percent of African Americans working within the company. So
Speaker 5: then what happens when those people applied, do they even
Speaker 5: feel like they can apply but senior level positions. So
Speaker 5: we've now heard back from Panini, we heard back from
Speaker 5: the MLB NFL couple. You know, people got back to
Speaker 5: us in the industry to say, hey, they support the
Speaker 5: cause for diversity and inclusion and equity most importantly, which
Speaker 5: is what this is about. Because there is a difference
Speaker 5: between equity and equality.
Speaker 4: We need to be aware of that.
Speaker 5: But Panini got back to us and their response was that,
Speaker 5: you know, we are committed to diversity, but we understand
Speaker 5: that you're asking a deeper question about our leadership and
Speaker 5: we're going to hire somebody to come in and help us.
Speaker 5: But that's so you know that it's not enough for us.
Speaker 5: We need to sit at the table, have other people, advisors, people.
Speaker 5: I was thinking to myself that why would we not
Speaker 5: have form retired players and others be able to go
Speaker 5: work at Panini? Right?
Speaker 4: Why not?
Speaker 6: Why does specific company? Though, because there's a bunch of
Speaker 6: billion dollar companies that don't have black people in the
Speaker 6: c suite, Why do is specific.
Speaker 4: Coy well, first, well one, why not?
Speaker 5: So that's one just because they we found out, we went,
Speaker 5: we checked, and we did the work. But they're not
Speaker 5: the only company, you know, We've had similar conversations over
Speaker 5: the years with Walmart, with Verizon, you know, and in fact,
Speaker 5: with Verizon we went to them around Colin Kaepernet to
Speaker 5: ask them why would they continue to sponsor and you know,
Speaker 5: be partners with the NFL knowing what was happening the Colin.
Speaker 5: So we find reasons to approach corporations all the time
Speaker 5: about their commitments or their said commitments to our communities
Speaker 5: and from my perspective black folks in this moment, but
Speaker 5: they need jobs.
Speaker 4: Like they need jobs, they need opportunities.
Speaker 5: They need a seat at the table, right And you
Speaker 5: know some people say, well entrepreneurship, Yeah, but while you're building,
Speaker 5: because all of us here are entrepreneurs.
Speaker 4: But we got jobs too.
Speaker 2: Douse Perini feel that since they've given so much money
Speaker 2: away to students.
Speaker 1: And especially college athletes.
Speaker 2: I know they do a lot with nil deals that
Speaker 2: because they're doing that, they necessarily don't have to because
Speaker 2: they feel like we're giving the community money.
Speaker 5: Well they didn't say that, but from our perspective. No,
Speaker 5: like at until freedom. Our perspective is regardless of how
Speaker 5: much you give away, you're just doing what you're supposed
Speaker 5: to do. But then also, now, let's find out what
Speaker 5: social causes are you involved with that the players care about,
Speaker 5: not saying education is not one of those things. But
Speaker 5: there may be other issues. Gun violence might be an
Speaker 5: issue that you need to be invested in. You know
Speaker 5: a number of issues, voting rights like, there are other
Speaker 5: things that the players. Again, that's why you have to
Speaker 5: have our people in senior level positions to help make.
Speaker 7: Those What kind of action plans would you like to
Speaker 7: see Panani do to curR this like lack of diversity?
Speaker 7: What would you like to see?
Speaker 5: Yeah, so first of all, they need to have an
Speaker 5: advisory committee of individuals from our communities that can help
Speaker 5: them look at the diversity issues. And when they say
Speaker 5: they're gonna hire somebody who you hire, don't hire your
Speaker 5: homie who's gonna say everything is okay. You just need
Speaker 5: to hire like two black people and that's it, you know. No,
Speaker 5: there needs to be a top down strategy and there
Speaker 5: are a number of companies that do this. There are
Speaker 5: companies that have done a decent job. I can't say
Speaker 5: a great job, but a decent job of looking at
Speaker 5: their diversity issues through the eyes of people who look
Speaker 5: like us, and so I think that's one. But first
Speaker 5: of all, they need to have us at the table
Speaker 5: to help them decide how to move forward. And that
Speaker 5: doesn't mean we're not asking them for a dime. So
Speaker 5: let's get that straight. Before the breakfast club friends goes
Speaker 5: talking about we asking them for money, We're not asking
Speaker 5: them for anything.
Speaker 4: We're asking them for change.
Speaker 2: Now, what of the companies are in a similar situation
Speaker 2: that you want changed like that?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm glad listen.
Speaker 5: I'm not gonna answer you, only because you know, you
Speaker 5: never really let them know, like Panini had no idea
Speaker 5: we were coming. And when people, when you start calling names,
Speaker 5: folks get things straight, they start putting people on the
Speaker 5: on the website.
Speaker 4: They'd be like, we're the website. Bring the website. We
Speaker 4: got some negroes in.
Speaker 5: The basement, bring them up sticks and take some pictures.
Speaker 5: So we won't do that, but we certainly are looking
Speaker 5: at other companies, you know, and we'll be talking about
Speaker 5: them as time goes on.
Speaker 7: It's actually been amazing the dip and what we see,
Speaker 7: like I really felt like there was actually some even
Speaker 7: if it was for optics, some type of effort being made.
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, And some of them were surfaced like you
Speaker 7: see the commercials right all of a sudden, like every
Speaker 7: commercial of every company was like a black person was
Speaker 7: in it. A lot of times it was like an
Speaker 7: interracial couple. But you saw people trying to make at
Speaker 7: least an effort publicly. It seemed like they're not even
Speaker 7: giving a damn anymore. What it looks like publicly anymore.
Speaker 5: Well, just on that point, when we did the research
Speaker 5: to find at every company, we sent letters and by companies,
Speaker 5: I'm talking about the leagues and the players associations, we
Speaker 5: sent letters to the CEO. We also went to look
Speaker 5: for the diversity person, right, because most companies have somebody,
Speaker 5: and we found that most of those people were hired
Speaker 5: in twenty twenty. Like all the different leagues, their diversity
Speaker 5: person came on board around twenty twenty and was well
Speaker 5: celebrated by the company. So that just goes to show
Speaker 5: you that movements work. That's first of all that you know,
Speaker 5: for those people who think movements don't work, it actually
Speaker 5: provided opportunities for some of our people, and I'm sure
Speaker 5: depending on who the black person is in that seat,
Speaker 5: there's more happening within the community. But there's so much
Speaker 5: more that can be done, and that means that the
Speaker 5: movement can't stop because the job is not complete.
Speaker 2: Are people getting are they getting to actually be able
Speaker 2: to work or is it one of those things that
Speaker 2: we're hiring them just for the face, but they're not
Speaker 2: actually being able to contribute.
Speaker 5: Well, you know what, I don't know, and I'm sure
Speaker 5: there's a little bit of all of that happening, you know,
Speaker 5: because I know several diversity folks in different companies and
Speaker 5: some of them are frustrated. Others feel like they're really
Speaker 5: being supported. So I think it's a mixture of that.
Speaker 5: But we don't know until unfortunately, issues start to come
Speaker 5: up and you start asking questions. That's the reason why
Speaker 5: we have to have different examples. So Panini becomes an
Speaker 5: example which says to other companies, shit, they might be
Speaker 5: come in my way, let me try to get my
Speaker 5: stuff together.
Speaker 3: When you talk.
Speaker 6: About things working, parchment is a good example of things working. Yeah,
Speaker 6: Because I think the documentary comes out June seventeenth, exposing
Speaker 6: Parchman what did a work around, you know, what did
Speaker 6: the movie do for partying?
Speaker 5: So we found out about Parchment again. People call you
Speaker 5: and you know, tip you off to stuff that's happening,
Speaker 5: and in fact, in Parchment, I have to give a
Speaker 5: shout out to many of the incarcerated individuals because they
Speaker 5: did the work. They are the ones that filmed the
Speaker 5: horrific conditions within the prison. And you know, I never
Speaker 5: forget being in the car. I don't know where I
Speaker 5: was going to do an if you somewhere in the South.
Speaker 5: I remember getting a phone call from a woman that
Speaker 5: you could clearly hear. She was like ninety something years old,
Speaker 5: and she was like, you know, my son, he said
Speaker 5: he sent you something. She said, could you please, you know,
Speaker 5: go look, because you know, on Instagram and other things,
Speaker 5: if you not following the person or whatever they sent it,
Speaker 5: it's getting way back somewhere in the you know. And
Speaker 5: so I had no idea what was going on, but
Speaker 5: she called my attention to it, and so I, you know,
Speaker 5: looked in and saw all these videos blood, you know,
Speaker 5: people hanging from you know, it was just bad, like rats, mold, terrible.
Speaker 5: And at the same time, we have family, our Mississippi
Speaker 5: Prison Reform Coalition folks out there, ra Quia Lamamba and
Speaker 5: others who are in Mississippi. They were friends. So we
Speaker 5: contacted them from until freedom. It was when we first
Speaker 5: started our organization. Contacted them like what can we do?
Speaker 5: Got everybody together, yandee, all our people, like we're going
Speaker 5: to try to go. And then at the same time
Speaker 5: had been already working with Rock Nation. They also were
Speaker 5: getting calls. We went to them saying, let's combine our
Speaker 5: efforts and we started rallying. You know, they put op
Speaker 5: eds in the major newspapers. That's what happens when you
Speaker 5: work with people that have money. People don't understand why
Speaker 5: that's important to have access to capital. We talk about
Speaker 5: Harry Belafonte is someone who had access to capital. And
Speaker 5: Doctor King, yes, rest in peace to mister Belafonte missed
Speaker 5: to be as we call him. You know, he had
Speaker 5: access to resources. So Doctor King was able to work
Speaker 5: with him and he helped and supported Doctor King to
Speaker 5: get his word out, to get his message out to
Speaker 5: travel the world. So it's important when you have people.
Speaker 5: People get mad at me every time, like why do
Speaker 5: you keep saying Jay? And they did.
Speaker 4: They helped us.
Speaker 5: They help us all the time to make sure we
Speaker 5: could get their travel. It costs money to get on
Speaker 5: a plane and fly to a city and be in
Speaker 5: that city. You need security, it's a lot of things.
Speaker 5: So we combined our efforts. They're not activists, they're not
Speaker 5: a the ground. They allowed us the stage, they put
Speaker 5: the stage up.
Speaker 4: We got on it.
Speaker 5: And did what we had to do, and as a result,
Speaker 5: you know, work and by the way, the people in
Speaker 5: Mississippi had already been doing this work for years, so
Speaker 5: we bought them some extra stuff and spiced it up,
Speaker 5: and there was this big pot of gumbo that forced
Speaker 5: ultimately the state one to come in and look at
Speaker 5: the jail and say, okay to prison and say there's
Speaker 5: some serious human rights abuse and issues. And now there's
Speaker 5: a plan that they have to work through. The jail
Speaker 5: is responsible, the government is overseeing it, and the lawyers
Speaker 5: that were hired by Team Rock and Rock Nation have
Speaker 5: been engaged and there's a lawsuit with many of the
Speaker 5: incarcerated people there. So again, it's not the fix all
Speaker 5: It's not we can't. We're well beyond fix, all right.
Speaker 5: We've been dealing with this five hundred plus years, So
Speaker 5: it's not the fix all, but we've done our part
Speaker 5: to at least move us a little bit closer to
Speaker 5: what it looks like for a more justice siety.
Speaker 6: You know what to ask when it comes to stuff
Speaker 6: like that, like you know, you protest, you march when
Speaker 6: Rock Nation does something like a Khalif Broder doc or
Speaker 6: the Trayvon Martin dock or Exposing Parchment Doctor's coming.
Speaker 3: Does that make y'all jobs easier?
Speaker 4: Yeah? It helped. Well.
Speaker 5: First of all, helps because we get eyeballs on our work.
Speaker 5: People get to see that it's actually something happening. Because
Speaker 5: a lot of times we fall into this place where
Speaker 5: the narrative is like this don't mean nothing, nobody's doing anything.
Speaker 4: People are not focused.
Speaker 5: And so when you get to see us because I'm
Speaker 5: in the documentary, and you also get to see the
Speaker 5: local people, local people get ignored, you know, they get overlooked,
Speaker 5: and you get somebody like a rock or whomever to
Speaker 5: go into a city. Even me, even I have to
Speaker 5: be careful because I have a brand that I can
Speaker 5: go into cities and drown out those individuals who are
Speaker 5: on the ground. So it's our responsibility to use every
Speaker 5: resource we have to uplift those people who are there.
Speaker 5: We learn that, of course in Louisville, Kentucky with Breonna
Speaker 5: Taylor and you know, And so the documentary helps people
Speaker 5: to see the work. It also helps people to see
Speaker 5: the elements that went into the types of people, like
Speaker 5: how much collaboration it takes. It's not just marching, it's
Speaker 5: not just policy, it's not just legal strategy. But all
Speaker 5: of it coming together is what makes up a movement.
Speaker 5: So yes, those documentaries are important. I mean, when we
Speaker 5: go back and watch documentaries of the past, if you
Speaker 5: are a true student of history, or if you really
Speaker 5: want to understand how we even ended up here, good
Speaker 5: or bad, you go back and you watch old documentaries
Speaker 5: and read books, and you can figure out or really
Speaker 5: kind of trace the steps of what has taken place
Speaker 5: before us.
Speaker 4: You're on the front lines.
Speaker 7: Do you ever get discouraged?
Speaker 5: Hell?
Speaker 4: Yeah, and you feel like what am I doing?
Speaker 5: I get more than discouraged. I get pretty nasty about it.
Speaker 5: I send text messages in the middle of the.
Speaker 4: Night saying words, bad words.
Speaker 5: You know, lately, I've been saying, you gotta stop texting
Speaker 5: this stuff because these things are gonna be historic documents
Speaker 5: like people want to print your text messages.
Speaker 4: I've been saying why do I do this again? Like, so,
Speaker 4: where's your motivation come from?
Speaker 7: On those days when you know, we see the winds right,
Speaker 7: But there's the days where you probably.
Speaker 4: I don't know about the winds.
Speaker 5: Well, whens, I'm not progress progress, A little bit of progress,
Speaker 5: a little bit of progress because wins, I don't feel
Speaker 5: like I'm there yet, you know, and you know whatever.
Speaker 5: Some people would argue that we should be careful not
Speaker 5: to appreciate the things we've been able to accomplish, in
Speaker 5: which we have many things. But I think my I
Speaker 5: always say that my investment in this movement is very selfish.
Speaker 5: It's not like, oh, I'm doing it because of the
Speaker 5: other children and the other people.
Speaker 4: It's my own family.
Speaker 5: Like me, you know, I want to be able to
Speaker 5: drive and feel comfortable and walk around in society and
Speaker 5: not be treated differently or othered. I want my son
Speaker 5: to be protected. And now I have a grandchild, you know,
Speaker 5: and here this is a young girl or a baby
Speaker 5: who's going to grow up in this society.
Speaker 4: What is it going to look like?
Speaker 5: I don't want to leave here with people saying like, well,
Speaker 5: what did you do to contribute and I'm over here
Speaker 5: pointing at oh, well they did.
Speaker 4: No, we have a.
Speaker 5: Responsibility, and I think that's where every you know, when
Speaker 5: I get up and some days, Claudia, it's turned into
Speaker 5: a situation where I go to bed like, I promise you,
Speaker 5: I will not do shit else for these people because
Speaker 5: of all the stress that I go through, the attacks,
Speaker 5: the lies, this and that. I'd be like, that's it,
Speaker 5: and then I'd be like, which people are people? Like
Speaker 5: in the morning when I wake up, I'm like, let
Speaker 5: me go to work, because this is what I'm supposed
Speaker 5: to be doing. Calling on your life is something I
Speaker 5: was telling you that, which you didn't respond to.
Speaker 4: But I was texting you about that. You know, when you.
Speaker 5: Start it's like a revelation that happens in you and
Speaker 5: you know you've been called.
Speaker 4: I didn't reply to that, No, sir.
Speaker 3: I know exactly what that comment was about about.
Speaker 1: Yeah, respond with a friend. I was gonna ask stuff.
Speaker 3: For one second, though, this is what a grandma looks like.
Speaker 6: Damn man, Think about what grandma used to look like
Speaker 6: thirty forty years.
Speaker 5: They was looking good too, They just you know, it
Speaker 5: was just different. But they taught us, They made us
Speaker 5: look like this. It's a fountain of youth.
Speaker 2: I was going to ask you, you know, with everything that
Speaker 2: you do, do you ever feel like I'm doing it
Speaker 2: for nothing? Because it's the same storyline over and over again.
Speaker 2: You know, you fight for this family here, and then
Speaker 2: a day later this happens here, and then the day
Speaker 2: later this happens here, and it feels like I keep
Speaker 2: fighting and nothing changes because we see it all the time,
Speaker 2: and it feels like people's mentality of how they look
Speaker 2: at us never change.
Speaker 5: I shifted my perspective on that because I did have that,
Speaker 5: and it was it sent me into depression, sent me
Speaker 5: into addiction, sent me into a bad, dark place. So
Speaker 5: I shifted my perspective to understand through therapy, which was
Speaker 5: incredibly important, that my job is to just take the
Speaker 5: baton and pass it along. It's not to fix the problem.
Speaker 5: So that's what happens is when we think that like
Speaker 5: it starts with us and ends with us.
Speaker 4: We're the end all be all. We got to fix it.
Speaker 4: Like how if we die and it hasn't been fixed,
Speaker 4: we failed.
Speaker 5: That is not realistic and it's not true. Our responsibility
Speaker 5: is to be able to show that we got in
Speaker 5: the game and it was better because of us that
Speaker 5: we passed it along to others, just like someone passed
Speaker 5: the work on to us. And so I now in
Speaker 5: that light or understanding that I feel like I'm doing
Speaker 5: a great job. I don't think that we're winning, but
Speaker 5: I think I'm doing a great job of being committed
Speaker 5: and focused on something for thirty years of my life.
Speaker 5: This is all I know. This is what I've been doing.
Speaker 5: I mean, you know, I'm working. I do other things. Obviously,
Speaker 5: I'm an author, thank you, Leonard. And I have other
Speaker 5: insulting businesses and all of that, but this one thing
Speaker 5: is my passion and it's what I do every day
Speaker 5: when I wake up and before I go to bed,
Speaker 5: and I believe that God blessed me, Like I feel
Speaker 5: so blessed to be called like you know how oh man.
Speaker 4: He put it on you.
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying, Like you actually have the
Speaker 5: discernment and the understanding He gave you a voice and
Speaker 5: a power and relationships like you are a real blessed
Speaker 5: person if you get all that I have, and you're
Speaker 5: able to be in as many rooms and spaces as
Speaker 5: I've been in and to have so many families that
Speaker 5: are my that's my family.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 5: I have so many family members out there that we
Speaker 5: met through tragedy, but these are my people.
Speaker 7: We're lucky to have people like you and have you
Speaker 7: specifically because you know, it's always what are they going
Speaker 7: to do something? And you're the they that we talk about.
Speaker 7: You know, we're the they that we need because a
Speaker 7: lot of people don't have that in them to go
Speaker 7: do that, and you do it for us. So thank you.
Speaker 4: I appreciate that.
Speaker 6: Talk to us about I might be pronouncing a sistant
Speaker 6: name wrong, Ajka owens Man.
Speaker 5: And boy, I tell you what. I was on a
Speaker 5: conference call last night with Angela Rye and Amanda SIL's
Speaker 5: and I mean Alicia Garza, Ben Crump, everybody, Jeff Johnson,
Speaker 5: the names go on and on, all the people, Christy Henderson.
Speaker 5: It was the coordinator of it and first of all,
Speaker 5: the brilliance in this movement.
Speaker 4: Oh wow, to be on that.
Speaker 5: Call, I just wish it could be taped so everybody
Speaker 5: could see the thoughts and people working together to try
Speaker 5: to help get justice for this woman's family.
Speaker 4: What happened to her is it seems to be very clear.
Speaker 5: At least it's clear to me, and you know, Crump
Speaker 5: before he gets an attorney, Crump, before he gets involved
Speaker 5: in things, he kind of knows what what happened for
Speaker 5: the most part. So it seems it appears that the
Speaker 5: neighbor was a menace already, like she had been harassing the.
Speaker 1: Story gave the lady donk of to day two.
Speaker 3: Yes, no, no, no, talk about it this one.
Speaker 4: Yes.
Speaker 5: So it seems that he had already been harassing the
Speaker 5: children and people in the community. And this particular day,
Speaker 5: the kids were playing next door, which you guys probably
Speaker 5: already discussed. But you know, the kids were playing next
Speaker 5: door in a field, and she thinks she owns the field,
Speaker 5: so she's neighborhood Karen. She thinks she owns the field.
Speaker 5: She tells them when to come and go. The iPad
Speaker 5: was still in the field when the young man noticed it.
Speaker 5: All the kids were inside. He noticed his iPad was there.
Speaker 5: He ran out to go get it. She already had
Speaker 5: it somewhere along the line. She He approached her to
Speaker 5: get the iPad and she hit him with something so
Speaker 5: h his and called him the N word. Well, this
Speaker 5: young man, the young boy is nine and this, and
Speaker 5: and and aj as they affectionately call her aj Owens.
Speaker 5: She has four children and so I think the youngest
Speaker 5: one is two and so uh she So he went
Speaker 5: and got mama, and mama came back to talk to
Speaker 5: the woman get the iPad, probably asked, you know.
Speaker 4: What, why did you get my child?
Speaker 5: All of that, and the woman shot her through the door,
Speaker 5: shot her through the door and killed he. I mean period,
Speaker 5: you know, and though to add insult to injury, which
Speaker 5: is very similar to what happened to Jordan Nearly, or
Speaker 5: at least what happened to Daniel Perry, the man.
Speaker 4: Who killed Jordan Nearly.
Speaker 5: Is this this thing where you can just go down
Speaker 5: to the precinct, They ask you a few questions and
Speaker 5: then you just white and they say, okay, you can
Speaker 5: go home after you've killed somebody.
Speaker 7: It is amazing that they It's like, do you mind
Speaker 7: coming in.
Speaker 5: And right, yeah, we just want to ask formal Well, yeah,
Speaker 5: they didn't release her name, but we know what it is.
Speaker 5: Her name is Susan Lawrence. I believe that's her name,
Speaker 5: Susan Lawrence. And you know, again, people in the neighborhood
Speaker 5: know her. But let me just say on the issue
Speaker 5: of people getting to go home.
Speaker 1: She called now one at all, So she didn't call
Speaker 1: nine one until after she shot this.
Speaker 4: I don't know. Oh, that's a good question, because.
Speaker 2: You know, usually a self defense and if the door
Speaker 2: was closed, there was no way that she felt like
Speaker 2: her life was a dangerous that.
Speaker 5: I mean, you got to come on sty your ground.
Speaker 5: Of course, it's a lot of things that I think
Speaker 5: they're gonna try to use. I think they're gonna have
Speaker 5: a mental illness thing. They're gonna try a lot of things.
Speaker 7: But the people that are allowed to be mentally ill
Speaker 7: because it's with us, we don't get that, grace.
Speaker 4: No, we don't. But let me say that.
Speaker 5: One of the things I want to make sure we
Speaker 5: mentioned is that this is not a new issue or
Speaker 5: new concern. If you think about Emmitt Till and other
Speaker 5: cases of the past, there was a time when white
Speaker 5: people could literally decide that you made them feel uncomfortable,
Speaker 5: or you you committed some criminal act. They didn't have
Speaker 5: to be in law enforcement. They could decide your punishment,
Speaker 5: kill you, whatever they want to do, and there was
Speaker 5: no consequences for it. So we're going backwards to a
Speaker 5: time when that is now a thing again that you
Speaker 5: just gone down town to tell Billy Bob, officer Billy Bob,
Speaker 5: everything was cool.
Speaker 4: You know, I just shot me a nigga today. That's it.
Speaker 5: It's just and and and and of course I hope
Speaker 5: we understand not to say that it is okay when
Speaker 5: it happens to men, because we we fight for black
Speaker 5: men all the time. Our entire movement has been focused
Speaker 5: on black men. But now they're killing black women, which
Speaker 5: brings us to Brianna Taylor. Shout out to Brionna Taylor
Speaker 5: and her family. Look, happy birthday. She would have been
Speaker 5: thirty years old. Man, thirty years old, a young, beautiful life,
Speaker 5: taking her boyfriend, Kenny Walker. Thankfully, the charges that the
Speaker 5: officer had against him have been dropped, so he's now
Speaker 5: free and clear to live his life. But yesterday, yesterday,
Speaker 5: I don't know when.
Speaker 3: That's the case. Was staying ground worked for a black person? Right?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 7: What?
Speaker 6: Oh?
Speaker 5: Yeah, right, well yes kinda yes and yes, yes, as
Speaker 5: he charged him, but they dropped it.
Speaker 4: They never admitted it. That's the point.
Speaker 5: Nobody ever said that he had the right to do
Speaker 5: what he did or whatever, but he did right, And
Speaker 5: I think that they dropped the charges for a different reason,
Speaker 5: which is because they don't want to have to go
Speaker 5: to court and lay out the details. They're trying to
Speaker 5: push it, you know, sweep it under the rug. It
Speaker 5: would make them have to do too much. So but anyway,
Speaker 5: so the attorney general in Kentucky, y'all talked about this
Speaker 5: new camp. His name is Daniel Cameron. This man was
Speaker 5: responsible for the prosecution of the officers. He was responsible
Speaker 5: for finding justice right as the attorney general. Because the
Speaker 5: local government decided that they didn't want to try the case.
Speaker 5: It was too close with the police department and the
Speaker 5: local DA's and whatever, so they pushed it to the
Speaker 5: attorney general. First of all, Daniel Cameron is a cop lover.
Speaker 4: He has videos out there.
Speaker 5: Talking about how he will defend police and law enforcement
Speaker 5: until the end, and he will do whatever's necessary to
Speaker 5: stand with police. So he had the case and had
Speaker 5: a grand jury in paneled, which they went and they
Speaker 5: presented a case to the grand jury, of course, and
Speaker 5: which is what we fight against. The grand jury proceedings
Speaker 5: being secret. That's a problem because you don't know what's happening.
Speaker 5: You don't know what they're presenting with the witnesses or
Speaker 5: what's gonna happen. So the grand jury comes back and
Speaker 5: returns their decision, which is to charge one officer which
Speaker 5: shooting through the wall and that could have hurt the
Speaker 5: people on the other side. It didn't, but it could have,
Speaker 5: and so that charge was called wanting in endangerment and
Speaker 5: that's what the person was indicted on. They never came
Speaker 5: back with any charges about Brionna Taylor being murdered. But
Speaker 5: when Daniel Cameron did his press conference to announce what
Speaker 5: happened in the grand jury, he said that the jurors
Speaker 5: decided that no charges will be brought against those officers
Speaker 5: for killing Brianna.
Speaker 4: That's a lie. Why do we know that now?
Speaker 5: Because what Tamik Mallory is saying, the juroris came forward
Speaker 5: envy the jurist. There was about four them that did
Speaker 5: an interview saying we were never presented with anything for
Speaker 5: Breonna Taylor. We kept asking when y'all gonna talk about
Speaker 5: Brianna and they never bought it up.
Speaker 4: Because that's what you can do.
Speaker 5: That's why they say you can indict a ham sandwich,
Speaker 5: because you go into the jury pool in the jury
Speaker 5: room and do whatever you want present the case that
Speaker 5: you want that gives you the outcome that you desire.
Speaker 4: And he went in there and.
Speaker 5: Didn't want to charge those offices, and so they didn't.
Speaker 5: So now he's got the audacity. I was about to
Speaker 5: call him names, and then I thought about it. I'm
Speaker 5: on the radio. He went in there and no, now
Speaker 5: he's running for governor, Like what like, how do you
Speaker 5: get rewarded?
Speaker 4: And he might win.
Speaker 5: Well, if let me tell you something. I don't want
Speaker 5: to say. I don't want to put wish death on
Speaker 5: myself or anybody, but I promise you we're gonna fight
Speaker 5: them like cats and dogs in the street.
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 4: Cy.
Speaker 5: On Breonna Taylor's birthday, her mother started off the donation
Speaker 5: to our organization to Until Freedom for our efforts we
Speaker 5: are asking she made.
Speaker 4: I didn't even know she was gonna do this.
Speaker 5: She asked people to match her by donating thirty dollars,
Speaker 5: three hundred dollars, three thousand dollars whatever you can in
Speaker 5: honor of her daughter being thirty. And we're opening two
Speaker 5: offices in both of the more urban neighborhoods you know
Speaker 5: communities in Kentucky, which is in Lexington and in Louisville,
Speaker 5: and these are places where you know, supposedly low propensity voters,
Speaker 5: which lend us arso on my partner and until Freedom
Speaker 5: often says they're high potential voters because they don't really
Speaker 5: come out unless they're motivated. And we're about to knock
Speaker 5: on doors until November. We're going to put ads up
Speaker 5: on TV. We're gonna make sure that every by Lottie
Speaker 5: Dottie and everybody knows about Daniel Cameron and what he
Speaker 5: did to Breonna Taylor's ham.
Speaker 3: How do you retake yourself in situations like that? That's dangerous?
Speaker 6: Yeah, like to go post up in Kentucky and like
Speaker 6: go against this guy who's got a massive support in Kentucky.
Speaker 3: How you protect yourself?
Speaker 5: Well, we're going back again because remember we lived there
Speaker 5: for four months under mass surveillance by law enforcement and
Speaker 5: white supremacists, and there's like video to show what we experience.
Speaker 4: I mean, you know, I don't know.
Speaker 5: We First of all, we have security twenty four hours
Speaker 5: a day, which is important, but you know, security is
Speaker 5: not necessarily able to stop some crazy person from driving
Speaker 5: a car through the window of your office or whatever.
Speaker 3: So are y'all being set up you know what I mean,
Speaker 3: like that.
Speaker 5: But but, but, but before we even get to the
Speaker 5: point of physical harm watching Just Watch, you're gonna be like,
Speaker 5: you gotta come back and talk about this. They're gonna
Speaker 5: have articles out in a minute about everything we ever
Speaker 5: did wrong, who paperwork ain't right.
Speaker 4: What organization did this?
Speaker 5: Which is why I don't like to get into a
Speaker 5: back and forth about whether or not somebody bought a
Speaker 5: house and biling. I don't like to get into that
Speaker 5: because I know what that conversation is all about, and
Speaker 5: I know who it benefits for us to get stuck
Speaker 5: in that. They want to discredit our movement so that
Speaker 5: they can make sure that nobody that nobody donates to
Speaker 5: Tamika Mallory either we all criminals.
Speaker 4: I'm not, of course I'm not.
Speaker 5: We said that on this show so many times. But
Speaker 5: you're right, repetition matters. I'm not in the organization Black
Speaker 5: Lives Matter. But I'm just saying that I've seen this
Speaker 5: movie before. This is not the first time. They don't
Speaker 5: They actually don't do anything new. They repeat the same
Speaker 5: script over and over again. It's just that there are
Speaker 5: new players involved, so you think you in something new,
Speaker 5: But they literally have intentionality right now around discrediting our movement.
Speaker 5: It doesn't mean you shouldn't ask questions. There should be
Speaker 5: no accountability, that's not what we're talking about. But when
Speaker 5: we start going down that rabbit hole, there's a reason
Speaker 5: why they want us to stay there. And so what
Speaker 5: will happen is that in the next couple of weeks,
Speaker 5: especially if Daniel Cameron feels like our movement is a
Speaker 5: danger to him, you'll start hearing who slept with who?
Speaker 4: Johnny you know, shot somebody when he was twelve, who
Speaker 4: went to prison.
Speaker 5: That's what they're gonna do to try to discredit the
Speaker 5: people locally and nationally who will be there fighting him.
Speaker 5: But we despight it all, despight it all.
Speaker 4: We're gonna be there. We have to stop eating that
Speaker 4: up there. We're so quick.
Speaker 7: But I knew it was a scam, and we have
Speaker 7: to stop being so skeptical of each other. Yeah, I
Speaker 7: saw that happening in Really I'm like.
Speaker 5: Oh, like, but there are scams. There are scams, and
Speaker 5: guess what, white people run them every day.
Speaker 4: That's right, But they don't like we do something.
Speaker 5: No, no, no, you'll never you will never see like
Speaker 5: I give you an example, the Women's movement, right, they
Speaker 5: got all kinds. I know, we were in it right
Speaker 5: and the Women's we was in we were leaders of
Speaker 5: the Women's March. We know all about the stuff that
Speaker 5: goes on internally, but you don't know who's about people's salaries.
Speaker 4: You don't know how much they make.
Speaker 5: In these major women's organizations and other organizations that had
Speaker 5: or social cause, organizations that have people that don't look
Speaker 5: like us. You tell me what's their salary, it doesn't
Speaker 5: come up. You don't know what house they have, where
Speaker 5: they live, how much money they spent, and if there
Speaker 5: is an issue, they deal with it internally.
Speaker 4: When it became public that there.
Speaker 5: Was a fight which wasn't even about money, it was
Speaker 5: because it was women of color at the helm of it.
Speaker 4: So we just have to be aware of that.
Speaker 5: That does not mean that you don't have the right
Speaker 5: to say, I gave one hundred dollars two hundred thousand,
Speaker 5: whatever it is, and I want to know what is
Speaker 5: being done with my resources. I'm not telling people not
Speaker 5: to ask those questions. I'm saying that what we see
Speaker 5: going on right now is not about asking questions.
Speaker 4: It is about.
Speaker 5: Creating a creating a dissension campaign or whatever against our
Speaker 5: movement as a whole. And yeah, I'm not in BLM
Speaker 5: at all. I have none to do with the money,
Speaker 5: never received the dime. In fact, I asked them for
Speaker 5: a million dollars and I'm still waiting on somebody to respond,
Speaker 5: So this is not about that.
Speaker 4: But I'm also I also.
Speaker 5: Am clear that I don't get to separate myself from
Speaker 5: this whole movement because I know I only raise My
Speaker 5: organization raised three thousand, three million dollars when BLM received
Speaker 5: ninety million. So that's why we asked for a million,
Speaker 5: which is not even enough. Because we was in the
Speaker 5: street in the summer of twenty twenty, and we know
Speaker 5: that people went on their phone and said, I'm not
Speaker 5: gonna look for a particular name, I'm just gonna give
Speaker 5: money to BLM. So I feel they owe me money, right,
Speaker 5: I think they have some of my money, So we
Speaker 5: asked for a million dollars. But I I understand that
Speaker 5: this movement, everything that happens, there are implications for all
Speaker 5: of us. If something happen with you, Envy, I've been
Speaker 5: watching you for the last few days. I talk to you.
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying it impacts everybody that's close
Speaker 5: to you. That's just what it is. So I just
Speaker 5: want to put that message out there. Be careful what
Speaker 5: you allow yourself to get dragged into.
Speaker 6: What would you say to people who say, y'all should
Speaker 6: just focus focus on getting money, get all the marching
Speaker 6: and everything.
Speaker 3: I'm just focus on getting the money.
Speaker 4: I mean, you know what.
Speaker 5: And some of my family in the movement, some of
Speaker 5: my great brethren feel that way now, and I have
Speaker 5: debate back and forth about again the collaboration and the
Speaker 5: and the and the need for all of us to
Speaker 5: be working together or at least not getting in anybody's way. So,
Speaker 5: whether it's opportunity or white supremacy, either thing has a
Speaker 5: different perspective of how you address it. The march brings
Speaker 5: a t to an issue. Then you have people who
Speaker 5: might be there from a financial perspective to say, well, look,
Speaker 5: we're building ways that we don't even need police anymore.
Speaker 5: So now everybody knows there's a problem, and now there
Speaker 5: are new people coming along to say or other people
Speaker 5: coming along to say, we're gonna build a new system.
Speaker 5: Right there, there's politicians but that also have their role,
Speaker 5: But Here's here's.
Speaker 4: Another important point.
Speaker 5: All my brothers and sisters who are out here doing
Speaker 5: financial upliftment. What is it called the financial literacy, but
Speaker 5: it's something else financial development, economic development. Right, there's a
Speaker 5: strong movement and I support it. They make laws that
Speaker 5: control what you do. You're not just out here thinking
Speaker 5: that your money you're gonna just be able to put
Speaker 5: your money together in a shoe box. You're gonna have
Speaker 5: to use a bank, create a bank. You're gonna have
Speaker 5: to have tax codes. There are laws. So those laws
Speaker 5: mean that you gotta have elected officials that you have
Speaker 5: to vote for that make the laws. And then how
Speaker 5: do you get elected officials that you believe will support
Speaker 5: your interest. You need movement to be behind those people.
Speaker 5: So none of us could be disconnected from one another.
Speaker 5: We all play a role in how even the big
Speaker 5: economic strategy, the exodus that we are planning that is
Speaker 5: being planned.
Speaker 4: I hope there's still.
Speaker 5: Going to be rules, laws and other things that apply.
Speaker 5: And lastly, I will say that most of our people
Speaker 5: ain't where some of us are. So most of our
Speaker 5: people live in the projects right now, and they need
Speaker 5: their city council person to make sure that they don't
Speaker 5: have rats that they have light, that they have heat today.
Speaker 5: So while you're over here in the lab strategizing on
Speaker 5: this plan for how we're going to invest together and
Speaker 5: build together in crypto and all of that digital money
Speaker 5: and all that stuff, over here, Jojo who lives in
Speaker 5: the projects, that doesn't even have a cell phone to
Speaker 5: watch our lives and to show up at our com
Speaker 5: friences and all of that. He needs lights, water, food, job,
Speaker 5: His baby needs pampers right now. And there are people
Speaker 5: who run for office every day, from the federal level
Speaker 5: down who are responsible for that.
Speaker 4: And we have to be a part of that process.
Speaker 1: How can people donate if they want to donate, absolutely, job, we.
Speaker 4: Need y'all donate so bad, Lord, have mercy.
Speaker 5: Before you talk about donations, I just want to make
Speaker 5: sure we mentioned Shanquella Robinson. Today there's still a fight
Speaker 5: to get the state Department.
Speaker 3: You got to remind people that came from when I.
Speaker 4: Was like, I had to go back and make sure
Speaker 4: I got up.
Speaker 6: I did all the sister who got killed in Mexico, right.
Speaker 5: Yeah, she was killed in Mexico, and and oftentimes because
Speaker 5: it was people who look like us, we you know,
Speaker 5: we forget about it, and we're like, oh well. I
Speaker 5: had a group tell me and it was a deep
Speaker 5: like this is I know, we gotta go, but this
Speaker 5: was like, really mess me up. I called the group.
Speaker 5: I said, Yo, we going to DC. We about to protest,
Speaker 5: you know, and make sure that they extradite. The State
Speaker 5: Department has the power, I was, to extradite the one
Speaker 5: aggressor that we see in the video beating on assaulting Shanquala.
Speaker 5: They have the ability to extradite them because Mexico claims
Speaker 5: they filed all the paperwork to get that person so
Speaker 5: they can prosecute. So so I called my people. I'm like, yo, me,
Speaker 5: me and DZ like we gonna do this thing. We'll
Speaker 5: do a press conference. And one woman I don't I
Speaker 5: would wish I could mention her name, but she's a
Speaker 5: powerful organizer, said to me, I can't do it. She said,
Speaker 5: because we believe we are abolitionists. We don't believe in
Speaker 5: turning our people over to the police or to extraditing
Speaker 5: them to We believe in give them to us and
Speaker 5: let us deal with the issue. And I was like, Yo,
Speaker 5: this kind of messed me up because I never I
Speaker 5: didn't think about that that you know there are people
Speaker 5: among us that not saying that. She thinks she knows
Speaker 5: that what happened is wrong, and in fact she came
Speaker 5: and stood behind the cameras. But her position was, I
Speaker 5: can't be a part of turning our people over to
Speaker 5: this system. We need a mechanism for addressing injustice, violence
Speaker 5: and all of that in our own community. So we
Speaker 5: got a lot of things to think about. And with
Speaker 5: that being said, you can donate to until Freedom by
Speaker 5: going to until freedom dot com, which is the safest
Speaker 5: best way to get us donations. But of course if
Speaker 5: you want to cash app and Venmo and all of that,
Speaker 5: we're until Freedom spell it properly because people have stolen
Speaker 5: our stole whichever is right to say our name, colonized
Speaker 5: our name, and they put one extra E one the
Speaker 5: ls or whatever, and so a lot of our donations
Speaker 5: were going to these other accounts. So Until Freedom U
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Speaker 5: M on all platforms you can give.
Speaker 3: And did we get everything on the notepad?
Speaker 4: I think?
Speaker 5: So let me see, Oh, cop City, cop City, cop City,
Speaker 5: which they voted today to pass the budget, so that
Speaker 5: happened overnight. So cop city for folks quickly is in Atlanta. Man,
Speaker 5: they did such a good job of keeping all the
Speaker 5: people who usually would have been on the issue, like
Speaker 5: celebrities and others, they kept them unaware of what was
Speaker 5: even happening. He made it a classism thing where the
Speaker 5: only the organizer the shout out to Queenya Nostaha, Shout
Speaker 5: out to Attorney Gerald Griggs, who was the head of
Speaker 5: the Atlanta NAACP.
Speaker 4: Shout out to my homeboy, Marcus C. Coleman.
Speaker 5: It's a bunch of people out there that did a
Speaker 5: lot of great work. Kim Beleeve, the Trees, Jones, and
Speaker 5: so basically cop City is a place that is being
Speaker 5: designed to train police officers from around the country. So
Speaker 5: in Decab County, Andre Dickens, the mayor, is creating a city.
Speaker 5: And by the way, people want me to mention that
Speaker 5: this was not his plan. It came from Governor Kemp
Speaker 5: and Keisha Land's bottoms and then he had the ability
Speaker 5: to keep it going or to cancel the project.
Speaker 4: So they are building this facility now Here's.
Speaker 5: There's a lot of issues with that because, by the way,
Speaker 5: police had the most training ever our books who was
Speaker 5: shot and killed while running away in Atlanta. We all
Speaker 5: watched it on video. He had the officer who killed
Speaker 5: him had two hundred hours of training. Two hundred hours
Speaker 5: of training. They have millions and millions billions of dollars
Speaker 5: in training, but they don't take the same sixty million
Speaker 5: dollars that was approved last night in the city council.
Speaker 5: If you go to Atlanta and go downtown, why don't
Speaker 5: we use that to put unhoused people in housing? Why
Speaker 5: don't we use that for mental health issues? They said, well,
Speaker 5: gun violence is a big issue. Kids that have jobs
Speaker 5: and opportunities. People that have jobs and opportunities. They're not shooting.
Speaker 5: Do they shoot in your community? Do they shooting your community?
Speaker 5: They don't shoot in mine either. They shooting your No,
Speaker 5: because you know why, most of the people in our
Speaker 5: communities have resources, They have jobs, they have opportunities. So
Speaker 5: if we take sixty million dollars and invest it over here,
Speaker 5: maybe we won't even need as many police. But to
Speaker 5: add insult to injury, they have a group of individuals
Speaker 5: they're training people called the the IDF, which is the
Speaker 5: Israel Defense Forces now the Israeli Defense Forces. Now, everybody
Speaker 5: got different politics on what they feel about Palestine and
Speaker 5: Israel and all of that, and we're not getting into
Speaker 5: that today.
Speaker 4: What we do know, which.
Speaker 5: Is a fact, is that the Israeli defense forces kill
Speaker 5: people and children in Israel Palestine every day with impunity.
Speaker 5: Maybe not every day, but very often. They killed the
Speaker 5: two year old yesterday or the day before.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 5: They are a violent military, violent military with massive human
Speaker 5: rights abuses. And this is not to Meeka Maalad. This
Speaker 5: is Amnesty International. This is the United Nations that has
Speaker 5: talked about the Israeli Defense Fund, which American US tax
Speaker 5: dollars go to them. Our money helps to invest in the.
Speaker 4: Work that they do killing people.
Speaker 5: And I won't even get into all of the politics
Speaker 5: around why they're in in Israel because we could go
Speaker 5: down rabbit hole there, right, which I think is a
Speaker 5: human rights abuse against another group of people.
Speaker 4: But I said I wasn't getting into it, and then.
Speaker 5: I said it right, So this is these are the
Speaker 5: folks that they're gonna allow to come in and do training.
Speaker 5: We already dying, We're already dealing with a racist, abusive
Speaker 5: policing system in the US which doesn't even have laws federally,
Speaker 5: federally or locally enough laws to protect citizens black folks,
Speaker 5: and you gonna slap cop city in the middle of
Speaker 5: Decab County and have some forces from a violent, dangerous
Speaker 5: racist military to come and train the people.
Speaker 4: That is what they're gonna say. It's all first responders.
Speaker 5: There's gonna be people there from you know, firefighters, they're
Speaker 5: gonna have There's an element that cannot be ignored, and
Speaker 5: that is the police training that will take place in
Speaker 5: the facility, and that is a problem. The Police Association,
Speaker 5: I think that's their name. Excuse me if I got
Speaker 5: it wrong. They are the ones that's coordinating the whole space.
Speaker 5: And so the basically the resources that the city council
Speaker 5: approved are to lease space for the responders and others
Speaker 5: to be trained, but the policing situation is the main
Speaker 5: focus of the facility. So I called out Maya Dickens, because, brother,
Speaker 5: how dare you you, as a black man, know what
Speaker 5: we've been through. You called so many of us and
Speaker 5: told us that there was going there was gonna be change,
Speaker 5: and now under the guise of safety, public safety, when
Speaker 5: I could tell you right now that they do not
Speaker 5: have a program the way that we do in New York,
Speaker 5: where there's hundreds of millions of dollars going towards grassroots
Speaker 5: organizations like Erika Ford, like at Mitchell, and so many
Speaker 5: groups that do work here.
Speaker 4: And the data proves.
Speaker 5: That when you invest in grassroots organizations, they do real
Speaker 5: work to make change and to stop and reduce violence
Speaker 5: in communities of color. They do not have a robust
Speaker 5: program like that in a and you have the audacity
Speaker 5: to jump past that, go put money in cop city
Speaker 5: and not investing your people to really truly keep people safe.
Speaker 4: It's wrong.
Speaker 3: Bottoms go well.
Speaker 5: Because people elected officials, which is an important point, right,
Speaker 5: they get nervous, and Governor Kemp is a bully.
Speaker 4: So first of all, the fact that you in.
Speaker 5: Bed with Governor Kemp about anything, it's problematic to me.
Speaker 5: But they get nervous, and so when they start feeling
Speaker 5: the pressure from the governor and all these people. Because
Speaker 5: a lot of our folks don't understand what true public
Speaker 5: safety looks like. We've been taught that public safety is
Speaker 5: locking people up, but.
Speaker 4: The police exists. Now there's police all over.
Speaker 5: Chicago, and still there was fifty something people shot Memorial weekend.
Speaker 4: So policing is clearly not solving the problem.
Speaker 5: But going back to the original question, are they shooting
Speaker 5: in your neighborhood?
Speaker 4: Are they shooting?
Speaker 5: Right, So we see what needs to be done, and
Speaker 5: it is intentionally being nord and they are fattening the
Speaker 5: pockets of the policing system and then not even giving
Speaker 5: true accountability measures to keep people accountable accountable. You cannot
Speaker 5: train racism and white supremacy. You can't out train it.
Speaker 5: You have to convict it. You have to lock it up,
Speaker 5: and you have to give it consequences so that people
Speaker 5: will know.
Speaker 4: I could be as.
Speaker 5: Racist as I want at my kitchen table, but I
Speaker 5: can't take that ship to work.
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