Speaker 1: Yeah, morning, everybody, Its stee j n V.
Speaker 2: Charlamagne the God. We are to breakfast Club. We got
Speaker 2: our co hosts Claudia Jordan joining us today, Yes, right,
Speaker 2: and we got a special guest in the building, the
Speaker 2: von Franklin.
Speaker 3: Welcome, welcome back, thank you, it's good, glad to be back.
Speaker 4: He came in hot, which is good because he's here
Speaker 4: to talk about flaming hot. But I don't know what
Speaker 4: you and Claudia were just talking about, y'all. I mean,
Speaker 4: y'all just started an interview.
Speaker 5: I hosted him this morning, and he put a post
Speaker 5: up about not being someone's priority, like, no, one's too
Speaker 5: busy for the right person. If you want to, you know,
Speaker 5: keep in touch with that person, you'll make time.
Speaker 6: Yes, So to say yeah, I mean that basically, I
Speaker 6: was just saying that a lot of times, the excuse is, well,
Speaker 6: I'm too busy, and.
Speaker 3: I'm saying Michelle, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 6: I was just using the example that was there ever
Speaker 6: a time during you know, Barack's presidency where he told Michelle,
Speaker 6: you know what, I'm just too busy to deal with it.
Speaker 6: I'm too busy to check in on the kids. You
Speaker 6: can handle that. He probably didn't. It doesn't mean that
Speaker 6: he wasn't busy and challenging, but because the family was
Speaker 6: a priority, he prioritized him. So I'm saying every time
Speaker 6: we say I'm too busy for something, we're just saying
Speaker 6: that that whatever that's something is, or that someone is, they're.
Speaker 3: Not a priority.
Speaker 1: Now let me ask you a question. So Chloya's been
Speaker 1: here the last couple of days.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there we go.
Speaker 1: She's been having some relationship issues, right, okay, before.
Speaker 4: I'm sure, I'm sure, aready.
Speaker 7: It's a non relationship.
Speaker 2: So you know, we open up the phone lines, let
Speaker 2: people shoot their shots. It just feels like some of
Speaker 2: the men that she's been dealing with, I haven't had
Speaker 2: the time and the effort to.
Speaker 1: Put into Claudia. You know, she talked about young men.
Speaker 2: She said a lot of the young men, you know, owner,
Speaker 2: but she feels like the young men just want to smash.
Speaker 7: They do, and the old men.
Speaker 1: And what advice could you give.
Speaker 3: Our sister, Claudia and Jordan, tell me what you're looking for?
Speaker 3: Sona doesn't lie.
Speaker 5: When I was younger, the checklist was really long, and
Speaker 5: I'm looking for integrity. So Ona doesn't lie so much.
Speaker 5: A person of that word that seems to be really
Speaker 5: hard to find nowadays, and they always coming hot with me.
Speaker 3: It's always, oh, it's too good to be true.
Speaker 5: I want to get married, and then the reality of it,
Speaker 5: they can't sustain the day to day calling back when
Speaker 5: they say or whatever. So I guess I'm no one's
Speaker 5: prayers the other day.
Speaker 2: Like the other day, somebody here at ten pm and
Speaker 2: was like, hey, what you're doing, big head? And then
Speaker 2: she was like whatever, and she was like what you're wearing?
Speaker 5: Like it was no, it felt very sexual, felt like
Speaker 5: that's it, which we're gonna get to that if I
Speaker 5: like you when I get there, relax, but don't leave
Speaker 5: with that.
Speaker 6: I mean, one adjustment might be, instead of having like
Speaker 6: a what you're looking for, what you're ready to receive,
Speaker 6: because the looking is is it enhances the absence of it.
Speaker 6: Whereas when I'm ready to receive, I'm ready to allow
Speaker 6: what is coming into my life. And I know that
Speaker 6: sounds like a small thing, but it's a major thing
Speaker 6: because people can feel that looking spirit. Again, not saying
Speaker 6: you have that, I'm saying, but a lot of times
Speaker 6: you're out there looking for love, people can feel that
Speaker 6: they're like, ugh, you know, versus like, I'm gonna stand
Speaker 6: in my power, I'm gonna stand my truth, and I'm
Speaker 6: ready to receive the right person.
Speaker 5: I'm actually really doing that though in my life because
Speaker 5: after my last breakup, I said, I'm giving myself six
Speaker 5: months now, I'm not even considering anyone for that. Like
Speaker 5: I have to just like have space, yeah, and let
Speaker 5: that good energy come over to me, because I do
Speaker 5: agree with it does give desperate vibes, right right, you
Speaker 5: are kind of low key in a churchway.
Speaker 7: No no, no, no, say that the words that came
Speaker 7: out of my mouth.
Speaker 1: But then let me ask you another question. Since we
Speaker 1: talk about Clauda, she also.
Speaker 2: Was having a thing where you know, she was very glarious,
Speaker 2: easier helping, you know what I mean things that she
Speaker 2: said or that she was dealing with somebody that was,
Speaker 2: you know, having a tough time and was kind of depressed.
Speaker 2: How long do you allow your partner or somebody to
Speaker 2: be in that mood before you say, okay, there's nothing
Speaker 2: more that I can do.
Speaker 6: Well, I think, first and foremost it's like if somebody
Speaker 6: is going through something, only they can get through what
Speaker 6: they're going through, And so I think sometimes if we
Speaker 6: put on we take the role of like I've got
Speaker 6: to help my partner get through this, we may be
Speaker 6: putting ourselves in a position which we are not qualified
Speaker 6: to do so versus like, Hey, I'm going to be
Speaker 6: a support system. How can I support you through this?
Speaker 6: What is it that you need to from me in
Speaker 6: order to navigate this period of depression or this anxiety
Speaker 6: or whatever may be, And have enough grace and space
Speaker 6: for that person and what they're going through to allow
Speaker 6: them to go through it. Because what I've experienced is
Speaker 6: that when you try to heal somebody or you try
Speaker 6: to do their work for them, you put yourself in
Speaker 6: an impossible situation because at the end of the day,
Speaker 6: that's their journey, that's what they have to experience in
Speaker 6: life for their own growth and their development. And sometimes
Speaker 6: as a partner, we unnecessarily make it feel like, well,
Speaker 6: that's what they're going to through.
Speaker 3: I got to go through it too.
Speaker 6: No, that's what they're going through, and I can be
Speaker 6: there to help them, but they need to set the
Speaker 6: terms by which that help.
Speaker 3: What that helps look looks like.
Speaker 4: Oh, that's good, we're gonna get to flame hot, but
Speaker 4: I need to stay on that for a second, because
Speaker 4: there's so many people dealing with grief. Yeah, and I
Speaker 4: think one thing that we all think we can do
Speaker 4: and you know, something happens like death, is we have
Speaker 4: to come to the person's rescue and help the person.
Speaker 4: There's nothing you can do. So I think enough people
Speaker 4: don't know how to show up right and just be
Speaker 4: support system. So how how they show up and just
Speaker 4: be supports this?
Speaker 6: You know, in my experience, it's about grace and space.
Speaker 6: And so if I give my own self grace and
Speaker 6: space to feel, to experience, to live, and not judge
Speaker 6: myself for how I'm feeling in any moment, then I
Speaker 6: can give that to others. I think so often we're
Speaker 6: trying to be something to somebody because we don't know
Speaker 6: what we are to ourselves. So when you talk about
Speaker 6: that grief process, it's like, Okay, we all go through
Speaker 6: things and navigate loss and that's just part of life.
Speaker 6: And the best friendships, the best familyships, the best relationships
Speaker 6: don't require the person to arbitrarily have a timeline by
Speaker 6: which they pass through whatever they're going through. I mean,
Speaker 6: with these traumas that we've experienced in life are difficult,
Speaker 6: and for some of us they take years to heal.
Speaker 6: So to me, the best way to do that is
Speaker 6: to first give yourself space and grace for your journey
Speaker 6: on life. And the second thing is to give that
Speaker 6: to whomever you're dealing with. Don't you know, push them
Speaker 6: or pressure them to have to move through something. If
Speaker 6: they need to cry, be there, hey, I'm here, you know,
Speaker 6: if they need to yell, hey, yell as low as
Speaker 6: you want to yell, I'm with you.
Speaker 3: That to me is how you do it.
Speaker 5: That's great advice because if you don't have the right
Speaker 5: tools and you're constantly trying to like help someone heal
Speaker 5: or be there for them and they're not really ready
Speaker 5: to res see that, you stop feeling rejected and then resentful,
Speaker 5: you know what I mean, Like I'm over here trying
Speaker 5: to help you out and you pushing me away, and
Speaker 5: I'm punishing me for.
Speaker 7: Being there for you.
Speaker 6: But then that's where the ego comes in. Yes, the
Speaker 6: ego wants to be the savior, right and then and
Speaker 6: then if this person is not receiving the way that
Speaker 6: I'm trying to bring them salvation from their situation, then
Speaker 6: I get offended. But then who are we to impose
Speaker 6: our way on their process, versus.
Speaker 3: Saying, hey, I'm here.
Speaker 6: They didn't want to talk to me today, it's not
Speaker 6: because of me, it's because of what they're going through.
Speaker 6: And I'm going to be a good support system for
Speaker 6: them and give them the space that they need, versus
Speaker 6: allowing my ego to then say, well, if they don't
Speaker 6: want my help, then I'm not going to help them. Well,
Speaker 6: they maybe your help is your silence. Maybe that's your
Speaker 6: way you help, you know. So it's like taking the
Speaker 6: ego out and really trying to be present with the
Speaker 6: person in that moment.
Speaker 5: I was gonna say that was another church way to
Speaker 5: say just shut the hell up to.
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, do you feel any pressure with
Speaker 2: your relationship because you are a guru people call you,
Speaker 2: or because you're you know, a relationship expert that you
Speaker 2: have to be perfect in your relationship because everybody points
Speaker 2: everything and it looks up to your relationship.
Speaker 3: No, well, I think people listen. The beautiful thing about
Speaker 3: what I what I do is I'm referred to it
Speaker 3: so many different things.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 6: It's like I was on Marriati first side as a
Speaker 6: relationship advisor, and people come to me for that. Obviously,
Speaker 6: I've written relationship books. You know, I'm known as a producer,
Speaker 6: I'm known as many different things. But to your question, no,
Speaker 6: I don't feel that pressure, you know at all, if anything,
Speaker 6: you know, I live the way I live, and I
Speaker 6: teach and from what I know or from what I'm experiencing,
Speaker 6: and and I don't feel the pressure to try to
Speaker 6: be something to somebody or like, oh I got to
Speaker 6: do it perfectly. I mean, you know, clearly you know
Speaker 6: that that has not been my experience. And that's okay, right,
Speaker 6: it's okay. I'd rather teach from a place of truth
Speaker 6: and what I've gone through than to feel the the
Speaker 6: artificial pressure of like, oh I got to do it
Speaker 6: all perfectly. Who does it perfectly?
Speaker 2: And I was going to ask, you know, in the church,
Speaker 2: especially to church, people feel like in all relationship people
Speaker 2: should stay together regardless, right, even if things aren't working,
Speaker 2: stay together.
Speaker 1: People always say, you know, people are so fast to
Speaker 1: let things go. When do you know it's a time
Speaker 1: the right time to let things go?
Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, I think it depends on every situation.
Speaker 6: Every relationship is very different. I would encourage anyone to
Speaker 6: put themselves in a process. And what I mean by
Speaker 6: that is the first inkling that you get that oh
Speaker 6: I want to let this go. Don't follow that England right,
Speaker 6: do what you can do, therapy, life, coaching, counseling, reading,
Speaker 6: do what you can do to save it. And then
Speaker 6: you have to stay in touch with your spelf, yourself
Speaker 6: and your spirit and how do you feel? You know,
Speaker 6: and as you're going through this, you know, is there
Speaker 6: the possibility for oneness with this person? And if there is,
Speaker 6: fantastic and if there isn't let your process determine the
Speaker 6: outcome because in my experience, sometimes when we get angry
Speaker 6: about something, we are impulsive.
Speaker 3: And you just start to say, well this is not
Speaker 3: going to work.
Speaker 6: Well, hey, give it time, put a process around it,
Speaker 6: and then over time, see what's feeling persists, and then
Speaker 6: don't be afraid to face whatever reality that feeling reveals.
Speaker 5: Did it take a long time for you to get
Speaker 5: to this calmplace? Because like you're saying all these things
Speaker 5: like not being impulsive, but how do you not be
Speaker 5: impulsive when your feelings are involved?
Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
Speaker 6: Like, yeah, yeah, well look, I mean you got to
Speaker 6: look at the you know, for me, it's like, Okay,
Speaker 6: let me look at my past and when I've been
Speaker 6: impulsive and what came out of that, situations and circumstances
Speaker 6: that I wish I could have back, because I may
Speaker 6: have said something or done something that really wasn't in
Speaker 6: in alignment with my truth or who I really was.
Speaker 6: So for me, it's about like, all right, I don't
Speaker 6: want to be that. So okay, whatever is causing me
Speaker 6: anger before I act, let me pause and say, well,
Speaker 6: what in me is getting angry here? And I think
Speaker 6: that's the thing. A lot of times anger we don't
Speaker 6: realize is a secondary emotion. Right, So I'm gonna feel
Speaker 6: angry because I feel hurt, because I feel disregarded, I
Speaker 6: feel unseen. So if we just react on the anger,
Speaker 6: we may never get to the root of where the
Speaker 6: anger came from. So this has just come for me
Speaker 6: and my process of just wanting to learn and to
Speaker 6: heal and to go through all that I've been through
Speaker 6: and come through it in a way that one I
Speaker 6: can heal. That's the number one goal, right. Anything I'm
Speaker 6: sharing is because I go through this healing process. And
Speaker 6: the second thing is in this area of relationships and
Speaker 6: dating and love and marriage.
Speaker 3: It's so difficult. It's so hard, right, Like, let's just
Speaker 3: be honest.
Speaker 6: So as much as I can share about any tips
Speaker 6: or tools that someone may find helpful, I'm gonna do that.
Speaker 2: I was gonna ask, has you because you talk about hell,
Speaker 2: have you healed? Because I know your breakup was very public?
Speaker 3: Sure have you got a.
Speaker 1: Chance to heal and hear how you doing mentally?
Speaker 3: Mentally?
Speaker 6: I'm doing much better, you know, But the process to that,
Speaker 6: Like I can sit here before all of you and
Speaker 6: have this interview and be calm and introspective and all that,
Speaker 6: but that comes from a process, you know. I mean
Speaker 6: there are nights, you know, I'm crying myself to sleep,
Speaker 6: you know, there are moments when I've been angry. But
Speaker 6: I've allowed myself to feel whatever I felt in order
Speaker 6: to heal. Because in my experience, when I'm like not
Speaker 6: fake seeing what I'm feeling, then I'm trying to find
Speaker 6: something else to help me.
Speaker 3: Get through the pain.
Speaker 1: And who do you talk to?
Speaker 5: Wo?
Speaker 4: Man?
Speaker 6: I got man, listen. I got a therapist that I've
Speaker 6: been working with for years. I got a life coach
Speaker 6: that I've been working with. I have great friends, you know,
Speaker 6: in my life who have been very, very helpful to me,
Speaker 6: and they are there for me.
Speaker 3: Whenever I call. That's great.
Speaker 2: The toughest thing because you know, your spouse, your wife
Speaker 2: or your husband is usually your best friend that you
Speaker 2: can go to for anything. So when that person's not there,
Speaker 2: it's like that has to be probably one of the
Speaker 2: hardest things ever because it's like, do you still have
Speaker 2: that trust for all those people that you name? You know,
Speaker 2: because your spouse is usually somebody that you can tell
Speaker 2: your deekest, your deepest secrets to, whatever your insecurities are,
Speaker 2: they usually know, so that has to be difficult.
Speaker 6: I mean, there's listen, I would not wish divorce on anybody.
Speaker 6: It is one of the most difficult and painful things
Speaker 6: you can ever experience. So you're right, you know, like
Speaker 6: because then also it's like it's a weird thing.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 6: It's like you're used to being with somebody just on
Speaker 6: a friendship level every day, every day, and then you're like,
Speaker 6: I don't even talk to this person. It is the strangest,
Speaker 6: most difficult thing to navigate. And the only thing I
Speaker 6: can offer is take it one moment at a time,
Speaker 6: not even a day at a time.
Speaker 4: A moment, do you regret writing a book like The
Speaker 4: Weight wrote a book, The Weight powerful practice of finding
Speaker 4: the love of your life and the life you love?
Speaker 3: Sure, do you regret that?
Speaker 4: Or you gonna offer no, of.
Speaker 8: Course, listen, Okay, okay, give me the name of your
Speaker 8: first book again, Black privilege, Black privilege.
Speaker 7: Okay.
Speaker 6: So in ten years when that changes, when it searchs,
Speaker 6: you know, your perspective may shift. We're gonna come back
Speaker 6: and hit you so anyway. But my point is, of course,
Speaker 6: I don't regret that. You know, we wrote that book.
Speaker 4: It'll help somebody in there in that moment.
Speaker 6: Listen, the value of delayed gratification is always going to
Speaker 6: be a message that's going to help somebody. And we
Speaker 6: put that message into the world from a place of love,
Speaker 6: and that's where we were. And no, of course, And
Speaker 6: I think that's the challenge with life, to look in
Speaker 6: the rear view instead of the front view.
Speaker 5: But think that's crazy about breakups with your best friend.
Speaker 5: It's like you share everything with that person every single day,
Speaker 5: that the first person you call and you get good
Speaker 5: or bad news, and then when you break up, it's
Speaker 5: like the person is dead, but they're alive. They're still
Speaker 5: out there, but they're dead in your world. Do you,
Speaker 5: Megan still talk? Are you so young?
Speaker 6: We're still a man, of course, you know what I mean.
Speaker 6: The love for us has not gone away, you know,
Speaker 6: it's just it's just changed for them.
Speaker 5: It's so cute together, you know.
Speaker 7: I can't.
Speaker 4: I wanted to get to flame and hot before all
Speaker 4: of this, But since we're here. Does it upset you
Speaker 4: when you see her out and about with Jonathan ma.
Speaker 3: Just upset me? No, No, she's happy. That's a blessing.
Speaker 5: Well, you've done a lot of work.
Speaker 2: I need to be like that because I think most
Speaker 2: people be like, damn, I hope he doesn't get the
Speaker 2: next movie.
Speaker 1: I hope the next movie flops.
Speaker 7: A little bit.
Speaker 3: Here's the thing.
Speaker 6: Whatever, if that was the case, So if I had
Speaker 6: that perspective, whatever i'm putting out, that's what's coming back.
Speaker 3: So I'm not putting it.
Speaker 6: I'm I don't have any ill will and to anyone
Speaker 6: in that in that regard, because I don't have any
Speaker 6: will towards myself in that regard. So no, there's there's
Speaker 6: no hate. There's got to be some emotion, though.
Speaker 4: I don't know if it hated the right world or
Speaker 4: upset it the right world, but it happened.
Speaker 6: Something you feel Yeah, I mean I think that you
Speaker 6: know there are feelings, and I'll leave it at that.
Speaker 1: True himself.
Speaker 7: Indian Claudia.
Speaker 5: Over here, you know, we're trying to get dropped the
Speaker 5: block of a little bit like come on, tell us
Speaker 5: the real tell us how mad you that.
Speaker 7: His career? Don't get that movie?
Speaker 1: Another one got.
Speaker 3: Pulled from you?
Speaker 4: Over here, let's let's saw some Flaming because I am
Speaker 4: very interested in this movie. Because what what made you
Speaker 4: want to tell the story of Richard Montanez. Yes, he's
Speaker 4: the creator of.
Speaker 6: The Flaming Yeah, he's the driving force behind the success
Speaker 6: of it. So about seven years ago, a friend of
Speaker 6: mine text me and said, hey, I have your next movie,
Speaker 6: and I said, okay, I mean I didn't really think
Speaker 6: much of it because pretty much everybody says that, and
Speaker 6: I had said for final since he reached out, I'll
Speaker 6: take the meeting. So the meeting was with Richard Montagne's
Speaker 6: and his wife Judy, and at the time Richard was
Speaker 6: one of the top executives working for Fredo lay and
Speaker 6: Pepsi and I just said, tell me your story and
Speaker 6: he told me how he started as a janitor working
Speaker 6: for fred Dolay. You know, he's the son of a
Speaker 6: Mexican immigrant, and this job was a great job for him,
Speaker 6: you know, because it was a chance for him to
Speaker 6: provide for his family, he said, But as he was
Speaker 6: doing the job, he knew that there was more for
Speaker 6: him and that the job. The factory started losing jobs,
Speaker 6: and he wanted to save jobs. And he said, this
Speaker 6: company does not appeal to my people, you know, Mexican
Speaker 6: American community ins outher in California. He said, if there
Speaker 6: was a spicy product and I could market it to
Speaker 6: my community, it would save jobs at the factory. And
Speaker 6: so the CEO gave him a shot to take the
Speaker 6: Flaming Hot product and market it to his community. And
Speaker 6: his genius of doing that is ultimately what led to
Speaker 6: what we now know is Flaming Hot in the success
Speaker 6: of the brand, it's a billion dollar brand. He went
Speaker 6: from me the janitor becoming one of the top executives
Speaker 6: at the company. He's referred to as the godfather of
Speaker 6: Latino marketing. And at the end of the meeting, I
Speaker 6: just said, yes, I will, I will make your movie.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 6: I didn't know how I was going to do it,
Speaker 6: but I was so inspired and motivated by his story.
Speaker 6: Here he was a janitor and becomes one of the
Speaker 6: top executives in corporate America. And that story was so
Speaker 6: inspirational to me. That's why I wanted to do it.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 6: I mean, I'm in Hollywood. I produce movies specifically for
Speaker 6: the purpose of inspiration.
Speaker 2: You usually don't hear that because usually they take the
Speaker 2: janitor's ideal, or they take somebody on a totem pole,
Speaker 2: let's load their idea, and they never get the credit,
Speaker 2: they never get the money, they never get the accolades.
Speaker 2: But you're saying that this guy got the accolades, he
Speaker 2: got the money, and he got what he was supposed
Speaker 2: to get for creating that because you don't use it.
Speaker 3: Don't hear that. I mean, think about it. He was
Speaker 3: there at the company for forty two years.
Speaker 4: Oh, he knew all the dirt, he knew all about it.
Speaker 7: I'm to take this from you, right, but.
Speaker 6: But no, he listened. His success is unprecedented. It's amazing.
Speaker 6: And to be able to do this story and tell
Speaker 6: this true story. I mean, you know, looks Hollywood, people
Speaker 6: love superhero movies in Hollywood.
Speaker 3: I get it.
Speaker 6: But the thing about superhero movies is you can't put
Speaker 6: on a suit of iron and fly through New York
Speaker 6: and save.
Speaker 3: But you can't do it.
Speaker 6: But you can be like Richard having a harder service,
Speaker 6: you know, having a vision, wanting to provide for your family,
Speaker 6: wanting to provide for your company and find success. And
Speaker 6: that's why I'm so excited about the movie because you
Speaker 6: would never think that a product like flaming hot Cheetos
Speaker 6: has something inspirational or value behind it.
Speaker 4: How did this movie tie into your faith? Because it's
Speaker 4: not like it's hot Cheetos for Christ.
Speaker 3: Cheatos, Right, that's the new support group.
Speaker 7: In the film.
Speaker 6: I mean, well first and forebos, you know, just on
Speaker 6: a macro level. You know, my father died when I
Speaker 6: was nine years old of a heart attack when he
Speaker 6: was thirty six, and it was a combination of my
Speaker 6: mom didn't have money for therapy, so it was a
Speaker 6: combination of going to church and watching entertainment that became
Speaker 6: my therapy. And as I navigated movies like you know,
Speaker 6: Color Purple and Back to the Future and Rock, I
Speaker 6: was like, listen, if these movies aren't inspiring me, I
Speaker 6: want to go to Hollywood and produce movies that can
Speaker 6: inspire others. So just the mere fact that here I
Speaker 6: am in Hollywood, you know, producing inspiration of movies. That's
Speaker 6: a testament to my faith. Just the fact that the
Speaker 6: movie happened, and what I intended to do when I
Speaker 6: came to Hollywood, you know, twenty seven years ago, I'm
Speaker 6: currently doing. And then when you see the movie, Richard
Speaker 6: goes to a journey of faith, you know, and which
Speaker 6: is very similar to his real journey of faith where
Speaker 6: he starts as a you know, non believer, doesn't see
Speaker 6: the value in it, and then by the end he
Speaker 6: understands the value of prayer and what it means to
Speaker 6: have a relationship with God. So it's there, but it's
Speaker 6: not something that we lead with. We just let people
Speaker 6: discover when they see the film.
Speaker 4: Being a film and TV producer, but also being de
Speaker 4: von Franklin, you know, the spiritual leader, do people feel like,
Speaker 4: you know, I'm not even gonna bring this project to
Speaker 4: him because this may not be his speed?
Speaker 6: Sure, you know what I mean, you know, it's not.
Speaker 6: Before becoming a producer, I was an executive for Columbia Pictures,
Speaker 6: which is a division of Sony Pictures for ten years,
Speaker 6: and a lot of times people would not bring me
Speaker 6: things if they weren't if they thought, oh, well, you know,
Speaker 6: he's the black executive or he's the Christian executive, and
Speaker 6: I'm not going to bring him something that isn't black
Speaker 6: or Christian.
Speaker 3: And so for me, I'm like, it's cool. You know
Speaker 3: what what people bring me is what they bring me.
Speaker 6: But at the end of the day, I'm about creating
Speaker 6: my own you know, even as an executive, I created
Speaker 6: my own films. I mean films, you know, like Jumping
Speaker 6: the Broom and Heaven Is for Real. I mean those
Speaker 6: are movies that I champion and put together on my own.
Speaker 6: So even with Flame and Hot, I met Richard in
Speaker 6: a meeting and I told him I was going to
Speaker 6: do his movie. So you know, I found a writer,
Speaker 6: I sold it to a studio, I developed the script,
Speaker 6: I hired even Longoria to direct it. I produced the
Speaker 6: film and now out marketing the film. So you know,
Speaker 6: on some level, there are people that will make a
Speaker 6: judgment about who I am, and that's okay. My thing
Speaker 6: is I'm not going to rest on their judgment. I'm
Speaker 6: going to create my own opportunities.
Speaker 5: So you know, you're not against movies that come to
Speaker 5: that don't have anything to do with fake No, of course,
Speaker 5: not not at all. So someone camedy Field like a
Speaker 5: movie that's like totally off brand, You're okay with that.
Speaker 6: Well, you know, off brand just depends on if I
Speaker 6: connect to it. So if I connect to it, it's
Speaker 6: not off brand.
Speaker 5: But you're not doing like the Human Center p.
Speaker 3: Part four.
Speaker 7: You know, I don't think so, but you never know.
Speaker 3: If there's something inspirational, it's terrible.
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, I hasn't been since the strike, you know.
Speaker 6: What the strike, everything's been kind of very calm, you know.
Speaker 6: I mean, it's kind of like one of those things
Speaker 6: where it's like the whole industry is navigating and waiting
Speaker 6: to see how it works out. So all we can
Speaker 6: do is just wait, you know. The DGA just you know, signed,
Speaker 6: and I think they're going to start. The studios are
Speaker 6: going to negotiate and negotiate with SAG, and then my
Speaker 6: hope is that you know, the writers get what they're
Speaker 6: asking for, and that you know, cooler heads prevail and
Speaker 6: we can all get back to the business of making entertainment.
Speaker 3: Though sit again.
Speaker 6: Yeah, Well, that's just more of like giving the board
Speaker 6: the authorization to go to strike if a strike is necessary.
Speaker 6: It doesn't mean that they're actually going to show.
Speaker 5: Last time, I did so much damage to Los Angeles
Speaker 5: in the industry. Yeah, a lot of people, like outside
Speaker 5: of the acting world, the vendors and everybody else, a
Speaker 5: lot of people were damaged financially from the strike.
Speaker 3: Yeah. No, I mean, this is this is a fact.
Speaker 3: I mean, and the longer it goes, the greater potential
Speaker 3: for that. Uh true.
Speaker 6: So my hope in prayer is that ultimately gets resolved
Speaker 6: and everybody feels like they got what they needed out
Speaker 6: of it.
Speaker 5: It's got to be done, though. Yeah, a lot of
Speaker 5: things that have changed with streaming and everything in the industry.
Speaker 5: A lot of people are not getting the money they together.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, And what's your thought on chat, GPT and everybody
Speaker 2: using that to create scripts and to do so many
Speaker 2: different things.
Speaker 6: You know, It's it's one of those areas that I'm
Speaker 6: still learning about in terms of understanding, you know, the
Speaker 6: ethics and how writers perceive it and understanding that you know,
Speaker 6: from what I've been from what I the writers I've
Speaker 6: talked to, They're like, well, chat GPT can't create on
Speaker 6: its own. It's going to you know, survey what's already
Speaker 6: been created to then create, and I think that's where
Speaker 6: the issue comes in. So I think it's something that
Speaker 6: we've got to look at. We need to first of
Speaker 6: all be educated on it, but look at it, because
Speaker 6: you know, that would be very detrimental, you know, to
Speaker 6: writers who have spent their life, you know, creating, and
Speaker 6: then to have a technology that uses their creation to create,
Speaker 6: but then they aren't compensated for that.
Speaker 4: I think it's the double I don't think it's of
Speaker 4: God at all.
Speaker 3: Is that right.
Speaker 4: That's what I've been saying. I just don't. I just don't.
Speaker 4: I think it's gonna cause more harm than good. And
Speaker 4: I think forget you know, writing scripts and stuff. What
Speaker 4: if you know, somebody lets you hear a phone call
Speaker 4: of somebody that you love talking crazy about you, and
Speaker 4: you know it's them and another person that you know,
Speaker 4: and you walk in the room five minutes after hearing.
Speaker 3: That call, right right, right, right, right, Yeah, that's a scenario.
Speaker 4: Even what if a world leader you know, threatens another
Speaker 4: world leader via AI and it's not even real by
Speaker 4: the time these world leaders figure out.
Speaker 1: You know that's not already since it might be on.
Speaker 7: We don't know, is what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: I don't we have enough confusion right now.
Speaker 4: Absolutely.
Speaker 5: The thing is, no one knows what's real or fake
Speaker 5: anymore across the board in all areas.
Speaker 4: It's going to be literate entering the chat. It's going
Speaker 4: to obliterate the lines of reality and fantasy. Right now
Speaker 4: they're blurred.
Speaker 5: This is going to obliterate it and lose jobs and
Speaker 5: cost a lot of jobs.
Speaker 4: Man, what was your experience with flaming hot Cheetos before
Speaker 4: this movie? Did you like them?
Speaker 3: I literally had no experience with them. I knew of them,
Speaker 3: but I never had one.
Speaker 4: No.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, I mean, now I've had too many
Speaker 3: then I want to I want to share.
Speaker 6: I mean, but like I, once I heard his story
Speaker 6: and once we actually set up the pitch, I mean,
Speaker 6: sold the pitch to Searchlight, I was like, yo, I
Speaker 6: gotta get these, I gotta try them. And so as
Speaker 6: I tried them, I was like, oh, I get it now,
Speaker 6: They're they're pretty amazing.
Speaker 4: And you were saying that as you was on the
Speaker 4: toilet as an adult, you're not supposed to be eat.
Speaker 3: I know, but man, listen.
Speaker 6: When we made the movie, there was like we had
Speaker 6: to recreate the frido Let factory, and so we shot
Speaker 6: the film in Albuquerque, New Mexico, and uh and so
Speaker 6: I'll never forget. We were on set the first day
Speaker 6: that we were shooting the scene with the Cheetos coming out,
Speaker 6: flaming Cheto's coming out of the factory. And there I
Speaker 6: am behind the camera, you know, eating the Cheetos, and
Speaker 6: I said, this is crazy, but they're I mean, they
Speaker 6: are addictive, and so I just had to stop. I said,
Speaker 6: you know what, I love this product. I'm gonna eat
Speaker 6: it once in a while, but I'm going to stop.
Speaker 6: But I do hope that families when they streamed the film,
Speaker 6: because this is the first movie in the history of
Speaker 6: Disney that is going to be on Hulu and Disney
Speaker 6: Plus at the same time. It's the first movie that
Speaker 6: they've put on both platforms. So I'm hoping that families
Speaker 6: will be eating flaming a Cheetos and Dorito's and all
Speaker 6: the popcorn and all that while they watched the movie,
Speaker 6: because I think, you know, it just kind of makes
Speaker 6: the experience that much better.
Speaker 2: And how was Pepsi and Freedo lay where they involved
Speaker 2: with the process, so they cool with everything.
Speaker 6: You know, I wouldn't say they were involved, but you
Speaker 6: know we definitely have you know, kept the lines of
Speaker 6: communication open, and you know they've seen the movie and
Speaker 6: you know, are supportive of the film. So you know,
Speaker 6: it's been a good relationship that I've been been navigating
Speaker 6: for years now, probably about four or five years.
Speaker 4: Why I give them all that free product plicement, I mean,
Speaker 4: is it a lot of free product placemen?
Speaker 6: Well, and in theory, I mean, you know this is
Speaker 6: you know, definitely going to I would believe, get people
Speaker 6: to want to, you know, use the product. But it
Speaker 6: wasn't so much about free product placement. It was about telling.
Speaker 3: Richard's story, you know.
Speaker 6: And because Richard's story was so amazing and inspirational and motivational.
Speaker 6: If the cost of doing Richard's story was a promotion
Speaker 6: for Cheetoh's and Pepsi Code and so bit, because his
Speaker 6: story was certainly worth being told.
Speaker 4: Why, Eva Longoria Man.
Speaker 6: Because Eva, you know, this is the testament when you
Speaker 6: talk about faith. So I had the script and I
Speaker 6: was looking for a director. I sent the script out
Speaker 6: to twenty directors twelve directors came in to me, the
Speaker 6: most directors I've ever had on any project I've done,
Speaker 6: even when I was an executive and I did not
Speaker 6: know Eva. I got the call from her agent, and
Speaker 6: her agent said, hey, you know, I know you're looking
Speaker 6: for a director on Flaming Hot. I want you to
Speaker 6: meet Eva Longoria. And I was like, well, what part
Speaker 6: does she want to play? And She's like, no, no,
Speaker 6: she doesn't want to be in the movie. She wants
Speaker 6: to direct the movie. And I'm like, okay, well has
Speaker 6: she directed a movie before, and then she was like, well, no,
Speaker 6: she hasn't directed a movie, but she directed television. I said, well, look,
Speaker 6: I'm not going to pass up a chance to meet
Speaker 6: Evia Longoria, so yeah, have her come in. So I
Speaker 6: didn't have any expectations. So Eva walks in, you know,
Speaker 6: she's wearing her glasses, and she has a script in
Speaker 6: a binder and almost every page of the script is
Speaker 6: dog here. And for about two hours she starts telling me,
Speaker 6: you know, how she's how she would want to fix
Speaker 6: the movie and what she would want to do to
Speaker 6: elevate it to make it more authentic. I didn't even
Speaker 6: know at the time until then that she has a
Speaker 6: master's in Chicano studies and her confidence in her clarity
Speaker 6: of what she wanted to do in her vision. When
Speaker 6: we finished the meeting, I said, the director just showed up.
Speaker 6: And then I called the studio and I said, look,
Speaker 6: I found our director. And they said who, I said,
Speaker 6: Eva Longoria. They were like, well, has she directed a movie?
Speaker 6: I said no, I said, but just because she hasn't
Speaker 6: directed a movie does not mean she's.
Speaker 3: Not the director.
Speaker 6: Because even didn't come in in the room to meet
Speaker 6: with me asking for a job, she operated as if
Speaker 6: she had the job. And so I said, great, this
Speaker 6: is our director. And I said to the studio, I said, listen,
Speaker 6: I'm going to bring her in. I'll bring you some
Speaker 6: other options, but I'm telling you she's the director. And
Speaker 6: Eva put together this brilliant, you know, presentation about what
Speaker 6: she wanted to do with the film, and we took
Speaker 6: her in. I took her into the studio and they
Speaker 6: and she blew them away and they agreed. They said
Speaker 6: she's the director and everything that she said she wanted
Speaker 6: to do from that first meeting, that director presentation is
Speaker 6: everything that she did. And I think so often, you know,
Speaker 6: especially in Hollywood, opportunity is not distributed equally, and the
Speaker 6: movie covers that. And so the idea that we would
Speaker 6: hold hold against her, if I held it against her
Speaker 6: or the business held it against it, she had directed
Speaker 6: a movie, we wouldn't have a great film, versus saying, well,
Speaker 6: just because you haven't done it doesn't mean you can't
Speaker 6: do it, and let's put some process around you if
Speaker 6: you have the vision and the tenacity and the confidence
Speaker 6: to do it. So this movie shows you know that
Speaker 6: not only is she a brilliant director, but all of us,
Speaker 6: when given the right opportunity, can do more with it
Speaker 6: than others things.
Speaker 5: Well, that's parallel with Richard's story, right, very much, so
Speaker 5: exactly exactly amazing.
Speaker 4: How much is her being evil Longoria helped though, because
Speaker 4: if a director comes in there with that same energy,
Speaker 4: you know, that same ambition, but she's not evil Longoria,
Speaker 4: you can still look at her the same or him.
Speaker 3: I think absolutely.
Speaker 6: I always make the decision about who's who the director
Speaker 6: is based upon the process, you know. I mean this
Speaker 6: is something you know, I basically learned how to make
Speaker 6: movies in part by working with Will Smith. And you know,
Speaker 6: he's been a mentor and a fan for years, and
Speaker 6: a lot of the movie making process and the story
Speaker 6: making process and just committing to the process I learned
Speaker 6: from him, right. His thing is like, look, if you
Speaker 6: commit to the process, the process will lead you to
Speaker 6: six says. And so when it comes to a director
Speaker 6: on all the films that I've made, I do that
Speaker 6: and I don't. I don't say oh just because because
Speaker 6: see if I if I were to to say oh,
Speaker 6: because it's Eva Longoria, then that's gonna mean filling the blank.
Speaker 6: Then I could do the story of disservice in the
Speaker 6: movie A Disservice. So for me, I commit to the process.
Speaker 6: If another director showed up and that's who they were,
Speaker 6: and the process revealed that that was the director, that's
Speaker 6: the director. So for me, it just wasn't added value
Speaker 6: that she happened to be Eva Longoria in that you know,
Speaker 6: she's a global superstar and you know a beauty icon
Speaker 6: and all of those things were just added value, But
Speaker 6: they weren't the reason the decision was made.
Speaker 5: Was that abnormal for a director or potential director to
Speaker 5: come in with all those pages marked like that? Was
Speaker 5: that impressive?
Speaker 6: Was that the part that it was it was impressive.
Speaker 6: I was like, I was impressed and I was depressed
Speaker 6: at the same time. Right, I'm like, wait a minute, yes,
Speaker 6: at that time, I've been working on the script for years,
Speaker 6: and so you know, she comes in.
Speaker 3: It's like, well this, this could be different, and this
Speaker 3: could be changing, and so on one level, I was like, man,
Speaker 3: but she was right. But she was right, she was right,
Speaker 3: she was right.
Speaker 6: I can't I cannot knock either. And working with her
Speaker 6: has been amazing, I mean, just awesome.
Speaker 4: Have you done your passion project yet? What is your
Speaker 4: fashion project?
Speaker 6: If you haven't, you know, this is I mean, I
Speaker 6: would say all of the movies that I've done so
Speaker 6: far have been, you know, passion projects, because there's so
Speaker 6: much passion required that not only sell a film, but
Speaker 6: to get a film made. Every film that gets made
Speaker 6: in Hollywood is a miracle and if me as a producer,
Speaker 6: if I'm not passionate, it cannot happen. So, you know,
Speaker 6: I would say the Flaming Hot is probably, you know,
Speaker 6: the so far, you know, the greatest example of my
Speaker 6: passion because I'm so passionate about using entertainment to uplift
Speaker 6: and inspire people and having a movie like this allows
Speaker 6: for that to happen, you know, But I don't know
Speaker 6: if I've made my quote unquote, you know, signature passion
Speaker 6: film yet.
Speaker 3: You know, you know, i'd listen.
Speaker 6: I'm a huge Muhammad Ali fan, you know, and I
Speaker 6: would love to find a way into his story and
Speaker 6: do a movie on his life. And what that would
Speaker 6: look like I don't know yet, but that's definitely something
Speaker 6: when I think of the type of films I would
Speaker 6: like to do.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 6: You know, He's just a figure that always resonates with
Speaker 6: me and someone I continue to draw inspiration from, and
Speaker 6: so to do a movie on his life would be amazing.
Speaker 1: It So when is the movie? When can people see
Speaker 1: this movie?
Speaker 3: June ninth, ju Knife.
Speaker 1: It's available BT Plus and Amazon Prime.
Speaker 2: Right no, no, no, this is on Disney Plus and
Speaker 2: Hulu Disney Plus yeah, yeah, yeah Plus and Hulu BT Plus.
Speaker 6: I have a yeah, I have a couple of projects
Speaker 6: with them. My next season two of Kingdom Business, which
Speaker 6: is the show I executive produced with Kirk Franklin and
Speaker 6: doctor Holly Carter, will be on BT plus end of
Speaker 6: this year. And then I'm actually acting in a film
Speaker 6: uh that will be on b ET and I think
Speaker 6: BT plus by the end of this year.
Speaker 4: All right, are you going to write about everything that
Speaker 4: you've been through your divorce and everything else? Like, isn't
Speaker 4: that a story you're still processing?
Speaker 6: You know, I would say it's I'm still processing it.
Speaker 6: You know, I don't know that I would ever do
Speaker 6: a book on divorce.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 6: The next book I'm working on is called One of One,
Speaker 6: which is the Truth about being single and uh. And
Speaker 6: the idea you know behind that book is that we're
Speaker 6: all single. Some may be in a couple, some may
Speaker 6: not be, but so often you if I don't know
Speaker 6: how to a couple is made up of two good singles,
Speaker 6: and the couple is only as strong as the singles
Speaker 6: that make it up. And if I don't know how
Speaker 6: to be one with myself, how can I learn to
Speaker 6: be one with another?
Speaker 4: And so.
Speaker 6: The book is about, you know, there's nothing wrong with
Speaker 6: being single. You got to get rid of the stigma
Speaker 6: because even when you're with someone, you're still single and
Speaker 6: you're still an individual.
Speaker 5: You seem like such a good human. I have so
Speaker 5: much work to do in myself when I need her.
Speaker 7: I don't say that again. We all got work.
Speaker 4: No what he said is we don't talk about that
Speaker 4: enough because it's always just pressure. Be a union, be
Speaker 4: a union. When you get married, you have to be one.
Speaker 6: But here's again, if I don't, if I have not
Speaker 6: been practicing being one with myself, if I have not
Speaker 6: been practicing being loving with myself, if I have not
Speaker 6: been practicing giving myself grace and space, it's very hard
Speaker 6: for me to be loving with another. It's very hard
Speaker 6: for me to give that person grace and space. It's
Speaker 6: very hard for me to let them be who they
Speaker 6: are if I don't give myself the freedom to be
Speaker 6: who I am. So this idea of being one of
Speaker 6: one is to say I am one of one, I
Speaker 6: am valued, I'm worthy. I need to get to know
Speaker 6: who I am and give the process of discovery the
Speaker 6: same process I would give in a relationship, because in
Speaker 6: my experience, so often when people are traditionally single, they
Speaker 6: squander that period of time looking for somebody, and they
Speaker 6: falsely believe if I'm in a relationship, my life will
Speaker 6: be better. If I'm in a relationship, I'll be happier.
Speaker 6: But if you are not happy without someone, I guarantee
Speaker 6: you you won't be happy with someone because the practice
Speaker 6: of happiness has to be self created. People can enhance
Speaker 6: our happiness, they can make a contribution, but we have
Speaker 6: to be the creators of it. And I think so
Speaker 6: often in relationships one of the reasons why they don't
Speaker 6: work is because we overburn the relationship. We want the
Speaker 6: relationship to do something it was never designed to do,
Speaker 6: which is to do something for us that we don't
Speaker 6: do for ourselves. And so whenever win a relationship, let's
Speaker 6: say I'm not being loving, or let's just say my
Speaker 6: happiness is dependent on my partner. Even though they consciously
Speaker 6: may not be aware of it, subconsciously they know it
Speaker 6: and they reject it like no, no, I'm not your source.
Speaker 6: I can't be your source. God can only be your source.
Speaker 6: Because the day that I make you happy, the next
Speaker 6: day I'm gonna make you mad. So if I allow
Speaker 6: someone the power to control my happiness, not only will
Speaker 6: I be manipulated, but I actually will never be happy.
Speaker 6: So this book one of one is really about unpacking
Speaker 6: what does it mean to be happy? What does it
Speaker 6: mean to you know, understand your value? And then how
Speaker 6: can you apply that to love, relationships, career, so on
Speaker 6: and so forth.
Speaker 3: Because at the.
Speaker 6: End of the day, we're all single, right coming to
Speaker 6: this earth single, We're gonna die single. If I want
Speaker 6: to be in a great couple, there's nothing wrong with it.
Speaker 6: But let me be a great single.
Speaker 4: Claud you know you you talking about how commedy is.
Speaker 4: That's one of the reasons why. Because when you start
Speaker 4: going to therapy and you start doing the work on yourself, yes, sir,
Speaker 4: you realize whatever anybody else got going on on that
Speaker 4: nothing to do with you.
Speaker 3: That's right, just projection, that's it, you know what I mean. Absolutely,
Speaker 3: it sounds.
Speaker 5: A complete yourself instead of looking for the relationship to
Speaker 5: complete your life.
Speaker 6: Well, that's a myth, and that's what people are so depressed,
Speaker 6: this idea of like, oh you complete me.
Speaker 1: No, that's the thing actually it is.
Speaker 3: It's like, no, I don't want to complete you because
Speaker 3: I don't even know. I can't do that. I don't
Speaker 3: have the power to complete you. Only God and you
Speaker 3: can do that work.
Speaker 6: And so the idea is that if you have two
Speaker 6: people that know how to be one with each other
Speaker 6: and then they come together, the process of becoming one.
Speaker 6: Doesn't mean it won't be difficult, but it will be
Speaker 6: that much easier because they understand what that means. And
Speaker 6: so for me, I really want to empower more individuals,
Speaker 6: specifically those that identify as being traditionally single, to own
Speaker 6: this period of time.
Speaker 3: There's nothing wrong with you. Don't squander it looking for someone,
Speaker 3: look for yourself, find yourself.
Speaker 6: And if you never get into a relationship, that's not
Speaker 6: an indictment that something's wrong with you at all. A
Speaker 6: relationship status has nothing to do with whether you're lovable
Speaker 6: or not. Love yourself and let that be enough. And
Speaker 6: so this book is about that. And then if you
Speaker 6: are in a relationship, I think this book will enhance
Speaker 6: you know, being in a relationship because in a relationship
Speaker 6: we try to rob somebody of their individuality at times,
Speaker 6: and a great relationship will preserve individuality, not take it
Speaker 6: that would happen in your marriage. No, I wouldn't say that.
Speaker 6: I wouldn't say that.
Speaker 4: Did you learn this after the fact?
Speaker 6: I would say that everything that I write about is
Speaker 6: a culmination of what I've learned in life, not specific
Speaker 6: to one experience, but all the experiences. And so for me,
Speaker 6: you know, being able to talk about this book, you
Speaker 6: know and have this concept of the book.
Speaker 3: It was ironic.
Speaker 6: It was like becoming traditionally single again then taught me
Speaker 6: what it means to be single and the importance of
Speaker 6: recognizing that we're single, even if we're in a relationship
Speaker 6: or we're married, means that I have to cultivate that
Speaker 6: individuality and then bring that individuality to whomever I'm with,
Speaker 6: whomever I partner with. And that's not something I learned
Speaker 6: exclusively from the marriage. That's just something I've learned from
Speaker 6: life experience.
Speaker 1: Would you get married again?
Speaker 3: Absolutely?
Speaker 4: One thing I love about the new faith leaders like yourself,
Speaker 4: say Roberts, you know, Tory Roberts. Yeah, y'all aren't y'all
Speaker 4: don't act perfect? No, you know, And that's why I
Speaker 4: love the bishop too.
Speaker 3: No, not at all.
Speaker 4: It's perfect. Do you think that is something that like,
Speaker 4: you know, hurt the church coming up, you know, and
Speaker 4: why people probably screw away from religion at one point,
Speaker 4: because I feel like a lot of people more people
Speaker 4: coming back sure to the word and coming back to
Speaker 4: faith because y'all are not appearing perfect.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, you know, I think grow I mean,
Speaker 6: I've been in the church my whole life, so you know,
Speaker 6: growing up in the church. I think that there was
Speaker 6: a premium put on not being vulnerable. There was a
Speaker 6: premium put on presentation. And I think that that, you know,
Speaker 6: on some level, even though it may have worked, and
Speaker 6: I say that in quotation marks, I think it did
Speaker 6: damage because you know, then we go through life performing
Speaker 6: and presenting instead of living. And so, you know, I
Speaker 6: think again, you know, I mean, I'm Pastor Sarah and
Speaker 6: Pastor Terrea, my brother, and my sister, and you know,
Speaker 6: known bishop for you know, almost twenty years.
Speaker 3: So that's his family.
Speaker 6: And I think that there is you know, desire to
Speaker 6: just be truthful and to be transparent and to be
Speaker 6: honest and to leave from that place and this thing
Speaker 6: called life. None of us have it figured out. It's
Speaker 6: an experience, even God. None of us have God figured out.
Speaker 6: God is beyond our comprehension. And so we do the
Speaker 6: very best that we can do. I do the best
Speaker 6: I can do to articulate concepts, and that are on
Speaker 6: some level, it's how can you even.
Speaker 3: Articulate who God is?
Speaker 6: And do that from a place of humility, right like,
Speaker 6: it's not listen, what I've learned through this experience and
Speaker 6: what I've learned through you know, the divorces, Like, listen,
Speaker 6: I'm not trying to get through life perfectly.
Speaker 3: I just want to get through life truthfully.
Speaker 5: I appreciate that because I was one of the people
Speaker 5: definitely turned off by the seemingly the standard of perfection.
Speaker 5: And if you feel like you're a flawed individual, which
Speaker 5: we all are, but a lot of people present like
Speaker 5: they weren't, especially in the church, how could you even
Speaker 5: feel like you could be amongst those people knowing the
Speaker 5: flaws you have, right, And then people in the church
Speaker 5: are not admitting to anything. So we appreciate when you
Speaker 5: can say I've been through this, I've done this wrong.
Speaker 4: We like it.
Speaker 6: Yeah, thank you, no, And it's I think it's important,
Speaker 6: and I think it's okay, right, I mean, flaws are
Speaker 6: what make the diamond valuable, and flaws are what make
Speaker 6: us valuable. Flaws what make us one of one. And
Speaker 6: it's okay, Like, Hey, I'm one of one and I
Speaker 6: have my challenges and that's all right, Like, and I
Speaker 6: don't know that if I hadn't gone through what I've
Speaker 6: gone through, that I would have the appreciation I have
Speaker 6: for me, you know, And just to say, hey, you
Speaker 6: know what, devine, Hey, you're on your journey, you're figuring
Speaker 6: it out. You know, you've given yourself the grace and
Speaker 6: space to heal and to process all you've been through
Speaker 6: and along the way, you know, I get a chance
Speaker 6: to share what I'm learning and for those that benefits great.
Speaker 5: What do you think your biggest flaws?
Speaker 3: You know what I think my biggest flaw is really
Speaker 3: I tend to be very very hard on myself. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you're right.
Speaker 6: I mean, you know, it's just that idea of like
Speaker 6: I want to do everything right, and I want to
Speaker 6: do everything perfect, and you know, going back to when
Speaker 6: I was a kid, like just this idea of you know,
Speaker 6: achieving my way and not feeling my way and then
Speaker 6: beating myself up if I didn't achieve it at a
Speaker 6: certain level or if I missed the mark or I
Speaker 6: didn't get a certain grade, and then bringing that into
Speaker 6: my career. And so that's one of the flaws that
Speaker 6: I work on, which is giving myself grace and space
Speaker 6: instead of talking to myself in a way that I
Speaker 6: would never allow others to talk to myself in a
Speaker 6: positive way.
Speaker 3: Gotcha, Hey, we're good. You're good. You're good.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 3: Now this is all crazy, that's all I talking to myself.
Speaker 3: You're good bro, you good man. Come on man, you's up, relaxed.
Speaker 3: It went the way it was supposed to go. You're
Speaker 3: right where you need to be. Chill man, you cool like.
Speaker 6: That's how I deal with my flaw, because that flaw
Speaker 6: of criticism. You're not good enough, You're you're never.
Speaker 3: Gonna make it. You're not as good as this person.
Speaker 6: That voice in me has been one of the loudest voices,
Speaker 6: and I've just been learning in this season to rewrite
Speaker 6: that script for that voice so that it's more productive
Speaker 6: instead of destructive.
Speaker 4: My good sister, Rachel Edwards, she's actually the show runner
Speaker 4: for the BT show. She was sure running for my
Speaker 4: late night show. Whenever I get into my funks and
Speaker 4: I start, you know, talking bad about myself, She'll say,
Speaker 4: don't talk to my friend like that.
Speaker 3: Yes, I love it, does it really really does.
Speaker 6: Don't talk to my friend like that talking about and
Speaker 6: the idea that she would reference you and who you
Speaker 6: are as her friend. Then it makes you think, well,
Speaker 6: am I being a friend to myself?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 6: So if this person can acknowledge what type of friend
Speaker 6: I am, can I even acknowledge the friend I am
Speaker 6: to me.
Speaker 5: Why why it's so hard for us to be good
Speaker 5: to ourselves sometimes? And sometimes we're better to other people
Speaker 5: than we are to ourselves.
Speaker 6: But I think it's because we've been conditioned to not
Speaker 6: feel good by oursel, not when I say, by ourselves.
Speaker 6: Within ourselves, you got to go to the right school,
Speaker 6: you got to get the right job, you got to
Speaker 6: marry the right person. You gotta live in the right neighborhood,
Speaker 6: you gotta drive the right car, you got to go
Speaker 6: to the right church.
Speaker 3: You have to be a part of the right social group.
Speaker 3: And then when you do all of this, you will
Speaker 3: be happy. It's not true. It's not true.
Speaker 6: So I think a lot of times we don't find
Speaker 6: that happiness within ourselves. We don't look in the mirror
Speaker 6: and love who looks back at us, and as a result,
Speaker 6: we go on this search for things that never fulfill us.
Speaker 6: Versus saying I'm gonna love me, I'm gonna like me,
Speaker 6: I'm gonna be happy regardless if I got a dollar,
Speaker 6: a million dollars, I'm gonna be happy, and I'm gonna
Speaker 6: let that happiness come through because I don't think it
Speaker 6: takes a lot to be happy. If anything things block
Speaker 6: our happiness, and I think the key is learning to
Speaker 6: love who we are so much and find peace in
Speaker 6: it that we let that happiness out and we don't
Speaker 6: let any false idea block what is already natural to us,
Speaker 6: which is to be happy. Babies have no problem being happy.
Speaker 6: They coming to the earth, they're happy, right like, that's
Speaker 6: the natural disbision of baby. That's what makes them so magical.
Speaker 6: It's as we get older these things block us because
Speaker 6: we buy into these false ideas, Oh I need all
Speaker 6: these things to be happy, and and that's just not true.
Speaker 4: I know, you got to go. But you know, we're
Speaker 4: all born in the nineteen hundred, so it was much
Speaker 4: easier back then to give ourselves positive self talk. But
Speaker 4: now when you got social media, yep, and you got
Speaker 4: so many people offering their opinions, when people come with
Speaker 4: these narratives, does that affect you in any way?
Speaker 5: You know?
Speaker 6: I'm sure it does, right like you know, And I
Speaker 6: think the thing about social is that it's a powerful tool,
Speaker 6: but it's something that has to be managed like anything else.
Speaker 6: And so part of the management for me is you know,
Speaker 6: taking messages in and seeing what's out there, but managing
Speaker 6: how much time I spend there because at a lot
Speaker 6: of times. You know, one of my good friends, Chrissy
Speaker 6: Metch she told me to saying, you know, compare and despair,
Speaker 6: and if I'm spending too much time on social media,
Speaker 6: I indvertently find myself in comparison mode and that's just
Speaker 6: not healthy for my mental health. So I do think
Speaker 6: you can navigate social media successfully, and I just try
Speaker 6: to manage how much time that I'm on it. And
Speaker 6: again it goes back to that voice. So if I'm
Speaker 6: seeing something and I say, wait a minute, I want
Speaker 6: that opportunity, You're why didn't that happen?
Speaker 3: Devaney right where you need to be.
Speaker 6: You're good, It's all right, bless that person, you know
Speaker 6: what I mean, Like instead of being like, oh I
Speaker 6: want that, that's cool, but like have a positive attitude
Speaker 6: about it. But it only comes from me because I'm
Speaker 6: not on it all the time all day and really
Speaker 6: give myself a chance to experience it and then step
Speaker 6: back and experience life.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we need you to end with a prayer. Brother,
Speaker 1: Oh I would love you.
Speaker 3: That would be amazing.
Speaker 6: Dear heavenly Father, We thank you to the Lord right
Speaker 6: now for anyone listening to this prayer, Dear Lord, we
Speaker 6: just thank you to the Lord for Claudia, We thank
Speaker 6: you for dj Envy, we thank you for Charlemagne. First
Speaker 6: and foremost, that you are using their voices to uplift
Speaker 6: and inspire the culture. Dear Lord, I pray right now
Speaker 6: for each of them, is they navigate this show and
Speaker 6: all the things you're bringing to them, I pray that
Speaker 6: they would have the confidence of you and to know
Speaker 6: that you are with them every step of the way.
Speaker 6: And I pray you would guide them and keep them
Speaker 6: in ways that they can't even imagine. I pray right
Speaker 6: now also for anyone listening to this or watching this,
Speaker 6: this is a divine appointment. You're not watching or listening
Speaker 6: by accident. You're watching and listening because there's a plan
Speaker 6: and a purpose for your life. I pray that you
Speaker 6: would have the courage and the confidence to pursue it,
Speaker 6: even as you experience conflict. Conflict is what makes your
Speaker 6: story great. I pray that you would know that you
Speaker 6: are great. I pray you look in the mirror and
Speaker 6: you love who looks back at you. I pray the
Speaker 6: next time you pick up the phone to take a
Speaker 6: selfie that you would pause and acknowledge the love that
Speaker 6: looks back at you in your phone. If you're listening
Speaker 6: to this, prayers because you're blessed, you're ordained, and you're destined,
Speaker 6: and the name of Jesus, I pray respecting all religions.
Speaker 3: Amen.
Speaker 1: Amen, Yeah, you have me.
Speaker 3: I appreciate you for joining us shore.
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Speaker 3: Good morning, Thank you, brother, thank you, appreciate you.
Speaker 5: I almost want to be cured of my gambling problem though.
Speaker 1: Oh wait, we just need to sit for one more
Speaker 1: one more second. Oh yeah, all right, will keep a lock.
Speaker 7: We got more with d von Franklin.
Speaker 1: When we come back. It's the Breakfast Club on b ET.
Speaker 1: Don't go anywhere. We got more with von Franklin. When
Speaker 1: we come back. It's the Breakfast Club on b ET.
Speaker 7: Welcome back.
Speaker 1: Now let's get into our interview with Devon Franklin. It's
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Speaker 4: ODO.
Speaker 3: Yeah, let's do it.
Speaker 1: That was great, right, call at ten?
Speaker 4: Yeah, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 7: All right,