Speaker 1: Two Teas in a Pod with Teddy Mellencamp and Camra Judge. Hi, guys,
Speaker 1: welcome to another episode of to Teas and a Pod
Speaker 1: with myself, Teddy Mellencamp.
Speaker 2: And Tamra Judge.
Speaker 3: And we are so excited.
Speaker 2: This is an exciting day.
Speaker 4: Who's our guest today, Andy Cohen, no other than the
Speaker 4: King of Bravo.
Speaker 1: I was going to say, are you one of the
Speaker 1: housewives that call him big Daddy?
Speaker 4: I call him I No, I don't call him daddy,
Speaker 4: I call him Boss Saddy.
Speaker 2: No, I call him boss.
Speaker 3: Okay, so we've got Andy Cohen on.
Speaker 1: We are going to ask him all of the questions
Speaker 1: and discuss his book, The Daddy Diaries.
Speaker 3: Andy has taken on the most important job of his.
Speaker 1: Life, being a father to a boy and a girl,
Speaker 1: and he has a lot to say about it.
Speaker 3: This book is so good.
Speaker 1: Not only does he share stuff about parenthood, but he
Speaker 1: also talks about all of us, He does, does, and
Speaker 1: so much more. So hope that you guys enjoy this episode. Okay,
Speaker 1: so now we're officially bringing on Andy Cohen, or, as
Speaker 1: Howard Stern says, Andy Cohene.
Speaker 5: Yes he does right, And Hi ladies, this is surreal. Okay,
Speaker 5: thank you for reading my book. I am so impressed,
Speaker 5: especially with you.
Speaker 6: Miss jeff Well.
Speaker 2: Okay, so she listened to it. I actually read.
Speaker 6: It, and they both count. Both count.
Speaker 4: I don't normally read books because I have a d
Speaker 4: D so bad it's really hard. But I read this
Speaker 4: book in twelve hours. It was a very easy, good yes, fun.
Speaker 6: Did you like it?
Speaker 2: I really did?
Speaker 6: You did?
Speaker 3: And I did?
Speaker 6: I literally, I mean there.
Speaker 5: Was a if you two didn't. I mean there's a
Speaker 5: lot in there for the two of you. Yes, yes, And.
Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of things that I related to,
Speaker 1: even not as an ex housewife, but the parenting stuff
Speaker 1: and the guilt and things that come with working and
Speaker 1: the judgment with being in the public eye.
Speaker 3: All that's so good and we will get into that.
Speaker 4: Ok But it's very it's very interesting to hear your
Speaker 4: perspective of being a dad, a single gay man raising
Speaker 4: two kids. I think that there's I mean, just open
Speaker 4: my eyes to.
Speaker 6: So much great.
Speaker 3: Thank you, But we are going to start off.
Speaker 2: With something that you screw with us all the time.
Speaker 3: Okay, plead the fifth Wow, all right with a softball?
Speaker 1: Okay, your worst watch what happens live guest ever, Well.
Speaker 5: You know, Amber Rose was not up for my Shenanigans.
Speaker 5: That was years ago, and Deborah Winger didn't really care
Speaker 5: for me too much either.
Speaker 2: See I told you he wouldn't say a housewife.
Speaker 6: Yeah, no, it's not. Housewives are not bad guests. I
Speaker 6: will say.
Speaker 5: Sometimes they'll be a I will say the shots of Sunset.
Speaker 5: People used to come on and they would be so
Speaker 5: amped up from being in New York that they would
Speaker 5: just torch the plate like they would torch all their
Speaker 5: cast members.
Speaker 6: And it would be kind of unsustainable.
Speaker 5: Or they'll be or there could be a housewiver or
Speaker 5: of a liberty who comes on and maybe it's their
Speaker 5: first appearance and they're nervous, but they never you know,
Speaker 5: I always give them grace because I mean, as I've
Speaker 5: said many times, it's hard to we're plucking normal people
Speaker 5: into the public eye and now suddenly they're on a
Speaker 5: talk show.
Speaker 6: I mean, it's you know, there's no guidebook for it.
Speaker 3: But in your.
Speaker 1: Book, to just astray for a second, you said there
Speaker 1: was one person who will never be invited back to
Speaker 1: the club back again, which is who.
Speaker 5: I can't say. I know, I can't say, it's not
Speaker 5: a house definitely not. No, it's not an ex housewife either. No, No,
Speaker 5: it's no one in the bravosphere.
Speaker 4: I vaguely remember you saying years ago that Lizzie was
Speaker 4: one of the most boring housewife guests You've had.
Speaker 6: Impossibility that could be a possibility. I like her very much.
Speaker 7: She's very nice.
Speaker 6: She was a one or two season O Sea housewife.
Speaker 4: One I think, okay, better co host for Kelly Rippa,
Speaker 4: Ryan Seacrest or Mark Cusuelis and I think.
Speaker 6: They're just which.
Speaker 5: As a matter of fact, I was with Kelly and
Speaker 5: Mark the other day and we talked about you.
Speaker 6: Yes, we did, and.
Speaker 4: I'm a week I still say, Eddie, you look just
Speaker 4: like I said.
Speaker 5: You know that the OC version of the two of
Speaker 5: you are? It was it was on an interview the
Speaker 5: three of us were on together. I said, you know,
Speaker 5: Tamara and Eddie are the OC version and she said,
Speaker 5: do you know I've never met Tamra in person?
Speaker 6: And I said, you're kidding.
Speaker 5: Anyway, we talked about it, so I need to set
Speaker 5: that up with her. Yes, anyway, I think Mark and
Speaker 5: I think they're just beginning to really figure out how
Speaker 5: great this is.
Speaker 6: Going to be because a husband and wife never co
Speaker 6: host a show, So I think it's going to be great.
Speaker 1: Yes, you have to marry one, okay, Anderson Cooper or
Speaker 1: John Mayer.
Speaker 5: John, Yes, yeah, dred percent.
Speaker 3: But then who are you going to have the great
Speaker 3: threesomes with?
Speaker 6: I know that was kind of taken out.
Speaker 4: My god, you can only host one and Housewife Reunion
Speaker 4: or CNN New Year's Eve?
Speaker 6: Oh wow? Oh really maybe New Years it's really fun.
Speaker 3: Sober drunk?
Speaker 6: Yeah, no, I had fun sober? Actually, did you do anything?
Speaker 6: I mean maybe a nip once or twice after midnight? No? No, no,
Speaker 6: imber go on TV? High never? Really? Yeah? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 6: it would be bad. But you've I mean.
Speaker 5: We've all, we've all, we've all had alcohol on television
Speaker 5: before together.
Speaker 1: Yes, you're right, one has to go, Melissa or Teresa.
Speaker 6: Well we're figuring that out right now. But I plead
Speaker 6: the fifth.
Speaker 5: But by the way, plead the fifth is three questions.
Speaker 5: So I don't know why we're still in this game.
Speaker 3: What happens live? The twats are very different.
Speaker 2: Worst casting decision on the How Wife's ever.
Speaker 6: That's interesting.
Speaker 5: I would preface it by saying that there are no
Speaker 5: Bad Housewife casting decisions because you learn something from each one.
Speaker 5: And I will say that Quinn on Orange County season
Speaker 5: maybe two, was that before your time? Okay, so that
Speaker 5: was season three. Her casting had so much promise and
Speaker 5: it just didn't. It was an example of someone who
Speaker 5: on casting seemed.
Speaker 6: Like it was going to be everything.
Speaker 5: So I think the lesson there, and we always try
Speaker 5: to learn from things that don't work. The lesson was
Speaker 5: that you know, maybe you know you we have to
Speaker 5: figure out ways so that the casting isn't the only
Speaker 5: way that we have to judge someone. So now maybe
Speaker 5: we'll get them together with the housewife and have them
Speaker 5: shoot what we call scene work, and Tamera will very
Speaker 5: kindly say, okay, I'll go to lunch with the new person.
Speaker 5: We'll see how it goes work with her. And also
Speaker 5: then we can also say to you, how did that
Speaker 5: feel to you, Tamera? Did you like hanging out with
Speaker 5: that person or whatever?
Speaker 7: So yeah, but.
Speaker 4: I always say, like, if you get let go after
Speaker 4: the first year is not a horrible thing. It's probably
Speaker 4: because you're just too normal.
Speaker 6: It could be, or you know, it just didn't work
Speaker 6: for one reason or another.
Speaker 1: Yes, if you could pick one housewife to be your surrogate.
Speaker 6: Who would it be, well, a surrogate is the carrier
Speaker 6: the carrier?
Speaker 3: Yes, Like who would you trust to well?
Speaker 6: I would trust.
Speaker 5: The thing is I get this a lot about the
Speaker 5: housewives and which housewife would you trust a babysit? The
Speaker 5: truth is I would trust every one of them. I
Speaker 5: think that you all are incredible moms. And also for me,
Speaker 5: one of the joys of my relationship with the housewives
Speaker 5: has been becoming a dad because it's opened up a
Speaker 5: whole new dialogue about parenting that I never had. And
Speaker 5: it's just another way that I think we're all connected.
Speaker 5: So I would trust anyone to carry my child. It's
Speaker 5: an hr issue.
Speaker 4: I can't think of a bigger since we're talking about this.
Speaker 4: Have you ever hooked up with a watch What Happens
Speaker 4: Live guest at Night?
Speaker 2: And if so, who.
Speaker 5: I haven't I've hooked up with? Now we've been on
Speaker 5: fourteen years.
Speaker 6: I've looked up with a bartender or two.
Speaker 2: But not somebody you didn't fish up the company.
Speaker 5: Pond No, no, no, no no. And I've never hooked
Speaker 5: up with a Bravoeleberty hold on yeh.
Speaker 3: So is tam or not considered a Bravo liberty.
Speaker 6: Have we hooked up?
Speaker 2: We hook up?
Speaker 7: Never?
Speaker 3: What about on New Year's.
Speaker 6: Eve we made out? I mean sorry, well, I mean
Speaker 6: is that hooking? I call hooking up boning dicks out?
Speaker 1: Yeah, hooking up is making Did you use time a
Speaker 1: little bit?
Speaker 6: By the way? You know? What's so funny? And I
Speaker 6: know we're going to get to it, But I did?
Speaker 6: What did I say? So?
Speaker 5: I sent Tamra a copy of the book, and I said,
Speaker 5: I think there's.
Speaker 6: I did well because she's in it the most.
Speaker 5: And I was like, there's going to be things in
Speaker 5: here that you're going to have comments on. So I
Speaker 5: wanted to get and with me today.
Speaker 6: So I said, what was the line that I said
Speaker 6: in the book?
Speaker 5: I said, some over the years served in sexual chemistry
Speaker 5: with some housewives.
Speaker 6: And I would say, and is one of them? Yes?
Speaker 6: And so I've been thinking about that.
Speaker 2: Because who's the other ones?
Speaker 6: Well, I mean that's just sensitive.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm not going to start naming house But then
Speaker 5: I was thinking about, well, why have I Well, no, I.
Speaker 6: Did name you, but then not only have I seen
Speaker 6: your tits?
Speaker 5: And now you're reminding me that we've made out I've
Speaker 5: never made out with any other housewives.
Speaker 6: I mean, it's kind of a stair but we know
Speaker 6: a long time.
Speaker 1: But the worst part is that when it went right
Speaker 1: off of I've never made out with a bra of celebrity, right.
Speaker 5: No, I said I've never hooked up. I just our
Speaker 5: definition of hooking.
Speaker 2: I don't think hook up is making.
Speaker 3: It's like how Edwin calls Edwin calls blow jobs sex.
Speaker 3: He considered that.
Speaker 5: No, I think if you have an orgasm, it's sex.
Speaker 3: To mesolute.
Speaker 5: Doing a good enough job even if you have an orgasm.
Speaker 3: I know, but you could have an orgasm.
Speaker 2: But does he always have an orgasm when you blow him?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 1: Well, if I I got to do a better job
Speaker 1: than well, I learned a trick.
Speaker 3: I'll teach it to you later.
Speaker 2: No, you're the model.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1: Okay, So final plead, the fifth is a celebrity question. Well,
Speaker 1: so we like to keep you guessing celebrity that you've
Speaker 1: gone on a date with or.
Speaker 3: Slept with.
Speaker 6: Lance pass you slept Do.
Speaker 4: You know that we know that you know that Teddy
Speaker 4: slept with Matt Damon.
Speaker 1: I did well, thanks to you, Tea, which leads me
Speaker 1: to a point which gets us into the Daddy Diaries.
Speaker 1: And you said in your book that you left some
Speaker 1: things out because you had horror about been reading it.
Speaker 6: Yes, oh so much.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's kind of like me when I
Speaker 1: was all over every news outlet because Tamra outed I
Speaker 1: was a particular relationship.
Speaker 3: Well, may or may not have happened.
Speaker 2: I didn't lie.
Speaker 1: But how do you think you'll go about having conversations
Speaker 1: with your kids as they get older.
Speaker 5: About things that I've put out there. That's a really
Speaker 5: good question. I mean, I don't know, ye too early,
Speaker 5: I don't know, But I think that the answer will
Speaker 5: come based on what my relationship with them is once
Speaker 5: they think.
Speaker 2: They're very young right now and it's not going to
Speaker 2: affect them.
Speaker 4: But Jennifer Lopez just came out in an article recently
Speaker 4: yesterday and said that she regrets putting her children in
Speaker 4: the public eye because now they're not known for them,
Speaker 4: they're known as Jalo's kids.
Speaker 5: Well that's why also, I feel like that's why I
Speaker 5: still post pictures of Lucy.
Speaker 6: I really don't post pictures of better.
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 5: I went the back of his head and there's a
Speaker 5: picture of him in the book from the day I
Speaker 5: got my Hollywood Star and that to me was kind
Speaker 5: of the in my mind the last time that I
Speaker 5: kind of want to post him just because of what
Speaker 5: you just said.
Speaker 6: I mean, I feel like, you know, I want to
Speaker 6: post him every day, right, you know you have like
Speaker 6: a private right. I have one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, family and friends.
Speaker 1: You say in your book that if I had a husband,
Speaker 1: do you think it's hard.
Speaker 3: I mean, I can't even imagine. I know how hard
Speaker 3: it is for me.
Speaker 1: Yea with even when my husband's traveling and he's doing whatever,
Speaker 1: just organizing three nannies.
Speaker 3: I do not have three nanni.
Speaker 6: If you do, I have no shame.
Speaker 3: But here's the thing.
Speaker 1: I do notice that that that is something that people
Speaker 1: want to throw in your face so often. And I
Speaker 1: could hear a tone in your book when you were like,
Speaker 1: you almost have to justify that you have capable people
Speaker 1: taking care of your kids while you're doing more.
Speaker 5: Yes, I mean I feel like I feel like it's
Speaker 5: a given that I have help.
Speaker 6: I think what.
Speaker 5: People don't realize. What I hope that people get from
Speaker 5: the book also is how hands on I am.
Speaker 6: I definitely okay, good I am. I don't have a
Speaker 6: live in nanny, which is important. I was wondering, Yeah,
Speaker 6: I don't.
Speaker 5: I had a live in baby nurse for both Ben
Speaker 5: and Lucy who was the same baby nurse, and she
Speaker 5: worked for Anderson.
Speaker 6: To Teresa, she's Teresa with an h and Theresa the
Speaker 6: other I don't know that audio.
Speaker 5: But but I want to be the only one there
Speaker 5: at night as much as by the way, I hate
Speaker 5: it because Lucy doesn't sleep like Ben does. But I'm
Speaker 5: the one that's there, and I want them to know
Speaker 5: that this is our family and I'm there and so
Speaker 5: come to me, you know. Anyway, So I don't but
Speaker 5: and I don't feel the need to apologize for it,
Speaker 5: but I do want people to know how involved I am,
Speaker 5: and I do every so often, you know. I mean, look,
Speaker 5: social media is full of trolls and whatever, and I
Speaker 5: get you know, and I'll hear from people being like,
Speaker 5: what do you know you have nanny's whatever, But you know, look,
Speaker 5: I my mornings are the time where I have three
Speaker 5: hours in the morning with Ben every morning and now Lucy,
Speaker 5: where I'm getting him ready for school and getting him
Speaker 5: and those morning hours are kind of they can be there.
Speaker 3: They can be touching, Yes, especially with little ones.
Speaker 1: But even if you have help, which I do, yes,
Speaker 1: when you are managing a busy schedule, in multiple busy schedules,
Speaker 1: and all their classes and their sports and all the things,
Speaker 1: and you have.
Speaker 6: A job, and you have a job at a lot
Speaker 6: five jobs.
Speaker 1: But there was a part where you said, you know,
Speaker 1: you guys were all at the park. She just stole
Speaker 1: my life. You guys were all at the park, and
Speaker 1: the other parents had the bathing suits and blah blah blah.
Speaker 1: And you're like, if I had a husband, the two
Speaker 1: of us could have tagged him, just so you know
Speaker 1: I have a husband. My husband never would have thought
Speaker 1: of it, right, not for a second. It was a
Speaker 1: very eye big moment for me.
Speaker 5: I you know what the thing has been for me
Speaker 5: in the last year is when Lucy came.
Speaker 6: I think it really changed me as a parent.
Speaker 5: I felt way more in control when I had just one,
Speaker 5: and then when I had two, I not only felt
Speaker 5: not I don't want to say I felt out of control,
Speaker 5: but I just felt your experience got a little lonelier
Speaker 5: for me. I started to feel more vulnerable. And that
Speaker 5: day in the park, it was like the sprinklers went off.
Speaker 5: I didn't know to have a change of clothes. I
Speaker 5: looked around. I'm the only single parent there, I'm the
Speaker 5: only gay dad. I just felt like I was on
Speaker 5: an island. And I went back to my house and
Speaker 5: I cried, and I never and I cried more than
Speaker 5: once about somehow it opened up.
Speaker 6: It was vulnerability. It was just a trigger.
Speaker 4: But it was a touching moment in the book that
Speaker 4: you said that I feel less than almost because I'm
Speaker 4: a single dad and I don't have the proper, you know,
Speaker 4: clothing forbidd It's hot out and he wants to run
Speaker 4: through the spring feet or whatever it was, and all
Speaker 4: the other mothers were prepared.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you never were prepared again at the next time, exactly.
Speaker 6: Yes, Yeah, never make the same mistakes.
Speaker 2: Everybody being a parent have no rule book or book.
Speaker 4: But it's one of those moments that you put in
Speaker 4: the book that I thought, oh my god, so many
Speaker 4: people are going to relate to that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And at what point would you introduce somebody to
Speaker 1: your kids?
Speaker 6: You know, I don't know the answer to that.
Speaker 5: I've there's a date that I went on in the
Speaker 5: book that was this very random this guy who I
Speaker 5: could I was like, wait a minute, this guy's a contender.
Speaker 6: And then he said, oh I live I live in
Speaker 6: the UK.
Speaker 5: And he was leaving the next day and I was
Speaker 5: coming back into town and the only time we could
Speaker 5: meet was like in the afternoon, and I said, well, look,
Speaker 5: I'm alone with my kids. I said, look, I'm going
Speaker 5: to be in the park if you want to come
Speaker 5: meet me. And so that was a first date and
Speaker 5: Ben was running around playing. I was like, no, idea,
Speaker 5: this is different. No, he had no idea.
Speaker 2: Did you see him again?
Speaker 6: Yes? I did. I saw him several times.
Speaker 1: Do you still see the guy that asked for you
Speaker 1: to post a selfie?
Speaker 3: That was a red flag for me.
Speaker 6: I know me too. I he's someone that I've known
Speaker 6: for a while.
Speaker 3: Is he somebody in the public eye?
Speaker 6: No?
Speaker 1: Okay, no, no, No, he was doing it because he was
Speaker 1: obsessed with your fame? Or do you think he was
Speaker 1: doing it because he wanted to elevate himself.
Speaker 6: I don't know. I think you know.
Speaker 5: And I said to him, why is this important to you?
Speaker 5: Why does this And he said, I always and I've
Speaker 5: known this person for a while and he said, I've
Speaker 5: always got a kick out of being on your Instagram
Speaker 5: like he was honest about it.
Speaker 3: But I think or do you think he was trying
Speaker 3: to like claim his territory.
Speaker 6: No, he was not, he wasn't.
Speaker 2: I felt like he was just being honest.
Speaker 4: Now, yeah, you talk about in the book that you
Speaker 4: were petrified with monkey pox.
Speaker 5: I was, Yeah, like most gay men, certainly in big cities,
Speaker 5: but yeah, I was on lockdown last summer.
Speaker 6: You got it.
Speaker 3: How long did you see?
Speaker 6: I got the vaccines?
Speaker 2: And then how long after that?
Speaker 4: I mean you talked about you were more afraid of
Speaker 4: giving it to your children.
Speaker 5: Well, that was the thing I felt like, Yeah, if
Speaker 5: I was a single, yes, I was not only afraid,
Speaker 5: I was put I felt like I would have been
Speaker 5: in I had deep shame relating to the idea that,
Speaker 5: oh my god, if I was so irresponsible as to
Speaker 5: get this because it's something in my control, and then
Speaker 5: I gave it to my children.
Speaker 6: The shame the idea of that was very heavy to me.
Speaker 2: And your mom wouldn't like it either, Well, my mom didn't.
Speaker 6: My mom was like, what is with you that you're like?
Speaker 6: Is it so hard for you?
Speaker 3: I'm upset for a summer?
Speaker 6: Well?
Speaker 3: Right, what did you say to her?
Speaker 2: You're like, well, I'm sexually.
Speaker 6: Frustrated, right, Yes, I was very sexually frustrated.
Speaker 1: I mean that's a long time actually when all you've
Speaker 1: got is an oculus.
Speaker 6: Thank you.
Speaker 2: Can we please talk about the virtual porn?
Speaker 6: Yes? Have you ever seen virtual real? No?
Speaker 3: But on the private settings on my son's Yes.
Speaker 4: But think twice about Cias because she's got the headphone.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, smart but told on the the dinger, for
Speaker 1: lack of a better word, comes in three D form, like.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean you've got the thing on, you have
Speaker 5: this head thing on and then all of a sudden
Speaker 5: there's kind of porn happening.
Speaker 6: In you and you're a spectator or can you porn where?
Speaker 6: Well you can't.
Speaker 3: I mean, do you think you're a part of it?
Speaker 5: Kind of think you are because if you look down
Speaker 5: and it's all from different points of view. So there
Speaker 5: are porn for women and there's a man who comes in,
Speaker 5: and then you look down and you see the whole
Speaker 5: genitalia below you. So my friend Jackie was over and
Speaker 5: I put on a porn and she looked down. She
Speaker 5: was like, oh my god, I have a dick, Like
Speaker 5: she couldn't believe it.
Speaker 1: I thought you were talking about Jackie when in the
Speaker 1: book when you said Jackie, I thought it was Jackie
Speaker 1: from Jersey.
Speaker 3: I'm like, I wonder how they got that close.
Speaker 4: No, I didn't even know that was possibility. Now I'm
Speaker 4: going to have to.
Speaker 2: Try for sure.
Speaker 1: When Anderson speaking about your mom and sex, Anderson brought
Speaker 1: up that you were a top, which I am pretty obvious,
Speaker 1: but yes, really okay, I mean yeah, but never a bottom.
Speaker 1: Now people want to know have you ever bottomed at all?
Speaker 6: People want to know that, Yes, I have, I'm a yes.
Speaker 2: I mean haven't we all?
Speaker 3: Haven't we all? What bottom? I mean, yeah, I've bottomed.
Speaker 3: I mean I didn't go the first time, not because.
Speaker 6: You wanted to discussion.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, Okay, let's change this conversation.
Speaker 3: We might as well.
Speaker 6: But sexual before, Oh this is the best. I mean,
Speaker 6: this is the best. I was there for this, Tamra
Speaker 6: was there for it.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 1: So for those of you guys who haven't read the
Speaker 1: book yet, you have to read it to get all
Speaker 1: the details. Yes, essentially, he had highly recommended that, said
Speaker 1: he wanted to do that, said she. She she she
Speaker 1: wanted to do a threesome with Andy and her husband
Speaker 1: who's never been with a guy before, and then she
Speaker 1: ends up showing up to watch what happens.
Speaker 3: Like I didn't just show up, she had.
Speaker 6: A ticket and she had said she called in the
Speaker 6: radio and said.
Speaker 2: Did you know she was showing up?
Speaker 5: That yes, I did, and she was saying and I said, listen,
Speaker 5: just so you know.
Speaker 6: This is not gonna happen.
Speaker 5: I go, not only am I on lockdown for monkey Pocks?
Speaker 6: But yes, I was like, but my parents are the bartenders.
Speaker 5: There was so much happening that and I already had
Speaker 5: so much trauma relating to Tamra and Vicki coming on together,
Speaker 5: which I thought was funny in the book because I
Speaker 5: really wrote every bit of the lead up and it's
Speaker 5: it's a funny.
Speaker 8: Story and including Vicky text rage texting me when I'm
Speaker 8: high at a Grateful Dead concert and right, but uh
Speaker 8: so they came and it was so funny and I
Speaker 8: love this.
Speaker 6: I loved it. The Tamra was there and I love.
Speaker 5: Being able to kind of share this moment with her
Speaker 5: because I said to her, I go, I have to
Speaker 5: tell you what's happening. Yes, I go, there's this couple here,
Speaker 5: And Tamor was like her mind was so blown and
Speaker 5: then she saw them and Tamra then texted me and
Speaker 5: said they're still outside waiting for you, and I was
Speaker 5: like what And the whole point of it is I'm gay,
Speaker 5: Like that is the whole point and almost, yes, I almost, Well,
Speaker 5: I did actually mess around with this couple.
Speaker 6: It's in my last book, Superficial.
Speaker 5: My last diary book is the story of me and
Speaker 5: this other couple.
Speaker 6: So it is in the realm of possibility.
Speaker 2: But it just but it has to feel right.
Speaker 6: It has to feel right.
Speaker 4: And somebody is that thirsty that they want to come
Speaker 4: to you and they want to express you.
Speaker 6: I appreciated, appreciate, appreciated.
Speaker 2: No, No, Andy, no, because if she's telling me out
Speaker 2: in the parking lot out front.
Speaker 3: That's where it takes it.
Speaker 6: And the husband didn't take a very conservative you know,
Speaker 6: he just felt.
Speaker 2: Like she controlled him.
Speaker 1: Did you just see the Netflix movie, the one where
Speaker 1: the two people from the church, the husband and wife,
Speaker 1: and they were they were keeping a young.
Speaker 6: Man, Oh, the Jerry Fall. Well, it's amazing.
Speaker 3: I haven't seen that.
Speaker 1: Okay, so good, okay, next question, moving to a little
Speaker 1: bit more housewives the way from Yes, why did you
Speaker 1: choose Renna and Garcel to be at your Hollywood Walk
Speaker 1: of Fame or did you?
Speaker 6: Well? No, I did, and it was.
Speaker 1: It was.
Speaker 5: We We just figured I had a conversation with Bravo
Speaker 5: and I knew John Mayer was doing it. I wanted
Speaker 5: there to be housewives there. I think OC might have
Speaker 5: been in. Well, Beverly Hills was in production too. We
Speaker 5: basically no, well no, we basically were like, we want
Speaker 5: to do Beverly Hills because there, look, we talked about
Speaker 5: like flying someone in or I talked about you know that,
Speaker 5: you know, would it be you and VICKI I've known
Speaker 5: you the longest stuff pretty much anybody. Yeah, there were
Speaker 5: a lot of It meant something to me and I
Speaker 5: was like, so then we I think Kyle was shooting
Speaker 5: Halloween too, and so then we just thought Rinna and
Speaker 5: Garcel will be right, and that's how we chose it.
Speaker 3: And you also only told Kyle and one other housewife.
Speaker 6: Candy, Candy that I was having that I was having another.
Speaker 3: An How would you take that if a housewife didn't
Speaker 3: want to.
Speaker 5: Share open Well, a housewife is on a reality show
Speaker 5: about their lives, yep, right, and I'm not And also
Speaker 5: I was also really trying to keep it a secret.
Speaker 5: I didn't I was keeping in a secret for the
Speaker 5: privacy of my surrogate who lived in New York, and
Speaker 5: I just didn't want a friend of mine had a
Speaker 5: surrogate and it was known that there was a surrogate,
Speaker 5: and the paparazzi started coming at the surg and whatever.
Speaker 6: So I was just how did my friend no you.
Speaker 2: You said that the surrogate in your book.
Speaker 3: It ended up being.
Speaker 6: Leaked that, Oh, I don't know somehow US. Yes, I
Speaker 6: don't know.
Speaker 3: Do you think it was the same leak that said
Speaker 3: that you were fired from CNN?
Speaker 6: That was just Radar online making shit up.
Speaker 3: But wasn't making sure up when they said I was fired,
Speaker 3: because it happened the.
Speaker 6: Next well, but the US Weekly thing they found out
Speaker 6: that I was.
Speaker 5: Yeah, So I just didn't want I was really nervous
Speaker 5: it would be something that I would tell everyone. I
Speaker 5: told everyone the first time, like six weeks before, because
Speaker 5: I was just so excited.
Speaker 6: And I wanted to and I'm so glad I did
Speaker 6: this one.
Speaker 5: I wanted to keep undercover and I don't know how
Speaker 5: it came up with Kyle and Candy, but.
Speaker 3: It did, and did you use the same egg donor.
Speaker 6: They are biological siblings.
Speaker 3: That's so awesome. And I do think that Lucy's gonna
Speaker 3: have blue eyes.
Speaker 6: She is the surrogate. The carrier is different because.
Speaker 2: It's yes, exactly difference. You said in your book. That
Speaker 2: is the Lucy is one of.
Speaker 6: The first baby be a surrogate in New York. I
Speaker 6: worked really hard to get I was illegal in New York.
Speaker 4: Wid you told me that at your be showers, and
Speaker 4: I was very shocked to hear that in New York,
Speaker 4: a man.
Speaker 6: You couldn't do that. Stunning as anyone couldn't do it.
Speaker 6: It was illegal, right, And.
Speaker 1: Then something that I actually was a little bit confused
Speaker 1: about when I was listening to the book and also intrigued.
Speaker 6: I love this, by the way. I love it that
Speaker 6: you both read this book.
Speaker 2: And you are I love that you know this is
Speaker 2: the most nerve wracket interview.
Speaker 3: We both were like, all right, we got we got
Speaker 3: a team.
Speaker 2: Really, I really appreciate that for me would have been Candy. Okay,
Speaker 2: Candy was really hard interview because she she's so media worldwide.
Speaker 3: She's a full sweat.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that was hard. She was hard.
Speaker 1: But throughout the book you'll be like, oh, I was
Speaker 1: taking notes tonight on the O C or this right,
Speaker 1: How involved are you at this point? Because sometimes you'll
Speaker 1: hear you say impressed, or maybe it's clicked by like oh,
Speaker 1: I don't have anything to do with that, or I
Speaker 1: didn't know this person was getting fired or that.
Speaker 6: But then with the Housewives, I do.
Speaker 3: But Housewives it's everything, yes, not the other show.
Speaker 6: The other shows I am not.
Speaker 5: I was an EP on vander Pump Rules for the
Speaker 5: first maybe eight seasons.
Speaker 6: I left when I was in charge of programming and
Speaker 6: development at Bravo.
Speaker 5: I was an EP of every show on Bravo. When
Speaker 5: I when Watch What Happens, I became five days a week.
Speaker 5: I stayed and was had still head of development at Bravo,
Speaker 5: and we developed Below Deck was one of the last
Speaker 5: shows that was Our team did maybe Southern Charm, and
Speaker 5: then I left. And when I left my day job
Speaker 5: at Bravo, I retained EP on all the Housewives. So
Speaker 5: I give notes on every episode of every Housewives show,
Speaker 5: and they can my notes have gotten way less. I
Speaker 5: look at a later cut now of episodes, and the
Speaker 5: later the cut, the.
Speaker 6: More finished it is, and so it will.
Speaker 5: You know, a lot of times my notes are about
Speaker 5: I don't understand that person's motive.
Speaker 6: Why did she You know, I'll say, why did Tamera
Speaker 6: say that? If that's her friend?
Speaker 2: Why one more interview we need?
Speaker 5: Yeah exactly? Or the music is it right? Or this
Speaker 5: next on is boring? Or change the teas, or there's
Speaker 5: a thousand things.
Speaker 1: That I call because something I related to in that
Speaker 1: in your book is when you kept saying you would
Speaker 1: have moments, even with your kids or life, where you'd
Speaker 1: get frustrated and you're like, I have this rage or
Speaker 1: this anger or whatever, and then I pull it together
Speaker 1: and then I'm the nicest human being ever, and the
Speaker 1: person at the sandwich shop would be like the hostess
Speaker 1: exactly all But what is your patient's level when it
Speaker 1: comes to watching housewives?
Speaker 5: Because I know now that we are watching Housewives, my
Speaker 5: patience level is great, But because I actually still love
Speaker 5: the show and it makes me so happy.
Speaker 6: Like with o C, I've been and it's part of
Speaker 6: the reason why I was. I was. You know, everyone
Speaker 6: for so many months was like, where's the trailer, Where's
Speaker 6: the trailer? The season must suck. They're doing something here.
Speaker 5: I am, you know, and we're so ahead of the
Speaker 5: edit schedule because I think the air date wound up
Speaker 5: getting moved.
Speaker 6: I think it originally was going to be earlier and
Speaker 6: then it was later. So here I am deep into
Speaker 6: the season and loving it for so many reasons.
Speaker 3: You love it?
Speaker 6: Yes, Oh, I love it. It's great. It feels like
Speaker 6: a return to Fred.
Speaker 3: You're able to answer what your favorite franchise is.
Speaker 6: No, because they're all they.
Speaker 3: It's true that you have they flow different, they do.
Speaker 5: Listen sometimes if a season of the Housewives is having
Speaker 5: an off season, I may it will be a bummer
Speaker 5: for me because I just want them all to be
Speaker 5: as successful as they possibly can, and I want every
Speaker 5: housewive to be as success.
Speaker 2: Can we talk about New York a little bit?
Speaker 4: Yeah, because you know a lot of shows you know
Speaker 4: have good seasons have been Yes, But what was your
Speaker 4: final decision decision? Because you say you're on a plane,
Speaker 4: you're making an email or something like that, saying.
Speaker 2: I have a great idea. Yes, it's a great idea.
Speaker 2: We're going to do a legacy.
Speaker 6: We're going to write what why it was New York?
Speaker 2: It was that bad?
Speaker 6: Well?
Speaker 5: No, I think New York was in flux. There was
Speaker 5: a question of of the current cast. Look, I don't
Speaker 5: want to relitigate why that season didn't work. It was
Speaker 5: shot during COVID, there were only five housewives, like it's
Speaker 5: to and by the way, right, okay, Well, I would
Speaker 5: also argue that it was not as bad as people
Speaker 5: you know, like to say that that season of Ronnie.
Speaker 6: But I think that it was.
Speaker 5: Really at a crossroads in terms of Also there was
Speaker 5: clearly a mandate to.
Speaker 6: Diversify and represent a more realistic or more current.
Speaker 5: Version of what New York is. And we have tried
Speaker 5: for so many years to to bring it, yes, but
Speaker 5: also to bring some color into New York. And you
Speaker 5: can ask the you know, we were always saying to
Speaker 5: lu Anne, like, you know, who are your friends of color?
Speaker 5: And we were putting people on tape and there were
Speaker 5: there were a few very high profile people. One with
Speaker 5: someone that Bethany knew and someone that I knew socially
Speaker 5: who years ago we almost got and then her husband
Speaker 5: kaibashed its no no, but but anyway, we were just
Speaker 5: at a major crossroads with Ronie and it felt like
Speaker 5: bringing new people in to this.
Speaker 6: The women have so much.
Speaker 3: History and it just felt sexy trailer I have to do.
Speaker 5: But anyway, so getting back to that, it just felt
Speaker 5: like it felt dishonest to even try anymore than to
Speaker 5: do anything but tell the story of these five women
Speaker 5: who just were who they were.
Speaker 6: And so that's why I thought, well, let's do too.
Speaker 2: Do you think that there's gonna be legacy for other
Speaker 2: shows that this works out?
Speaker 6: I don't know. I had wanted. I had wanted to
Speaker 6: do OC legacy on Peacock a couple years ago.
Speaker 5: I talked about it with Sherry Levine and she was
Speaker 5: very worried that it would take away from Orange County
Speaker 5: as it is right now.
Speaker 6: And I think if you look, and I think.
Speaker 5: Now, if you look at the fact that you and
Speaker 5: Heather are back on Orange County, I think that's and
Speaker 5: that Vicky's around, I think that's a really good argument
Speaker 5: for not doing OC legacy, you know, And I think so.
Speaker 6: I like the idea in a sense, but also, you
Speaker 6: don't want to take.
Speaker 5: Away from what I would call the mothership, which is
Speaker 5: the Real Housewives of Orange County, and I love that
Speaker 5: show to its core.
Speaker 6: I wouldn't want anything to take away from that lot
Speaker 6: of fun.
Speaker 5: Yes, and I think it's I think with Rony it's
Speaker 5: easier if you're saying, Okay, we're gonna do a totally
Speaker 5: nor version.
Speaker 6: It's a let's let's swim. Does what worry me?
Speaker 4: Having a brand new cast and because like it was
Speaker 4: a little rough for a little bit with Bai, Yeah,
Speaker 4: I mean, by the way, Dubai season two is so good.
Speaker 6: I could get goosebumps thinking about how good it is.
Speaker 6: So I think, does it worry me? Of course? Of
Speaker 6: course it does.
Speaker 5: It's so hard you're introducing six new women, and you know, you,
Speaker 5: when you're watching it, you're like, but wait a.
Speaker 6: Minute, were's lou Anne.
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 6: So it does. But actually they so stand on their
Speaker 6: own and they're so legit.
Speaker 5: What I want is I just hope that people will
Speaker 5: not discount it based on one episode.
Speaker 6: You you've gotta go on the ya season two and
Speaker 6: then season two when it.
Speaker 5: Really gels and they know because you know, you, you know,
Speaker 5: people kind of become housewives in a weird way.
Speaker 6: Well now, I mean I would.
Speaker 5: I am. Caroline Stanbury and chanel Ian were born housewives.
Speaker 1: I mean they just do you know all the fights
Speaker 1: we created in Bravocon between the Dubai Housewives speak for yourself.
Speaker 3: Oh you were that, you were a part of it too.
Speaker 1: I mean it was a lot, so I can only
Speaker 1: imagine it's going to be an explosive season.
Speaker 6: It's really good.
Speaker 3: The conversations I had with Chanel and Carolyn Brooks.
Speaker 5: Yes, well, I'm very excited about that. But also I'm
Speaker 5: really excited about Ronnie. I think it's I think it's great,
Speaker 5: and I think the other children. I'm excited.
Speaker 6: You're gonna die when you see Luanna and Sonya. Welcome
Speaker 6: to Crappy Lake. Is so funny. It airs in July.
Speaker 6: It is and by the way, I have nothing to
Speaker 6: do with it. It is so funny.
Speaker 5: I laughed out loud. So and I'm not a big
Speaker 5: laugh out loud guy. I was howling at this show.
Speaker 6: Yeah, she is.
Speaker 4: Yeah, do you see that being in the future for
Speaker 4: other like let's take I don't, no, I don't know,
Speaker 4: I don't, I don't.
Speaker 3: I'm not like Vicky.
Speaker 4: I don't have jealousy of a question about So this
Speaker 4: has nothing to do with your book question. Yes, so
Speaker 4: Real House of New York.
Speaker 2: They already have commercials on Bravo and they are two
Speaker 2: months from area.
Speaker 6: You're asking why there aren't.
Speaker 5: I think because this is a brand new show completely,
Speaker 5: we have to introduce six new women. We have to
Speaker 5: get people's head around the idea that this is. You know,
Speaker 5: I know, but you've you know, you're you promote yourself,
Speaker 5: you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: So that's why I knew that was gonna be your answer.
Speaker 6: Yeah, well then you know, but I just wanted to know,
Speaker 6: And then I wanted.
Speaker 1: To know who would you say, of all time, your
Speaker 1: favorite house husband and your least favorite house husband talk
Speaker 1: about the house husband's much in the.
Speaker 5: Book, No, I don't my I mean, I think Joe
Speaker 5: Gorga has always been very funny on the show.
Speaker 6: He just cracks me up.
Speaker 7: Uh.
Speaker 5: And I think that the husband of Amber, who was
Speaker 5: on the one bad season of Jersey. It was that
Speaker 5: transition season with the twins and Amber her.
Speaker 3: Husband had the issues on the plane. Not a good
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, he's worse some Brooks.
Speaker 6: I mean, Brooks was not really a husband.
Speaker 3: By the way. He's remarried. We just learned good.
Speaker 4: So talking about Miami, we were talking about them minute ago.
Speaker 4: What made you guys decide to put him back on Bravo?
Speaker 6: I don't know, I don't think it matters, and people
Speaker 6: were like, yay, we won, it's back on Bravo. I'm like,
Speaker 6: who cares where it is? No, I mean they didn't.
Speaker 3: I don't know. I like streaming better.
Speaker 6: Yeah, right, I do too.
Speaker 5: Actually, I was like, why are we Yeah exactly, so
Speaker 5: you know, you'll obviously still be able to watch it
Speaker 5: on Peacock.
Speaker 6: But I I was, uh, I don't know.
Speaker 2: Do you think Housewives will eventually go to Peacock?
Speaker 6: I don't know. I don't think it matters.
Speaker 2: So what is it now?
Speaker 6: So they air on and then I think the next day, yeah,
Speaker 6: I think so.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: But when we talk you talked a lot about not
Speaker 1: a lot, but you talked about marysol a little bit
Speaker 1: about how much you like her and when you came
Speaker 1: to Miami she's the person that you were.
Speaker 3: But then I was wondering. I was like, if he
Speaker 3: likes her so much?
Speaker 6: Because we wanted to.
Speaker 5: We felt strongly that if we brought it back, we
Speaker 5: wanted you. You want people to connect with the show
Speaker 5: that they loved, the nostalgia of the show that they loved,
Speaker 5: But you're trying to build a show that will last
Speaker 5: for the future, and so you need as much new
Speaker 5: blood as possible, and we that.
Speaker 6: Was the call we made.
Speaker 5: And I think the more people on any show the
Speaker 5: better in a sense. And also it just seemed like, yeah,
Speaker 5: I just think and you know, Marisol has said that
Speaker 5: she felt so much lighter as a friend, she felt
Speaker 5: less responsibility.
Speaker 6: She could come in and out.
Speaker 2: She is, but we're not to admit I thought about
Speaker 2: coming back as a friend.
Speaker 5: Well, I mean, it's like it it's there is a
Speaker 5: pressure off of you when you come out as a friend.
Speaker 5: And I thought it's one of the reasons why I
Speaker 5: think Vicki works so well this season. She can drop in,
Speaker 5: she can be herself, she can leave.
Speaker 4: It's not Do you think maybe we can have her
Speaker 4: back next year as a friends?
Speaker 6: I think yes.
Speaker 2: I think she's really good as a friend.
Speaker 3: I do too.
Speaker 6: I wonder what she yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3: Next question, which is.
Speaker 1: There's a couple Housewives that we've heard say I'll never
Speaker 1: film with this person again. And we just saw the
Speaker 1: article I think it was on People magazine.
Speaker 5: Says that you know how that works because it's never
Speaker 5: really worked on Housewives. Rules is not the Housewives, and
Speaker 5: I'm not an EP of that show, so I have
Speaker 5: nothing really, you know, it's I'm sure they're all talking
Speaker 5: about that right now.
Speaker 6: But I think with the Housewives, it doesn't work. It
Speaker 6: never worked. You know, we had we had a situation
Speaker 6: with I remember on early there were early Rony situations
Speaker 6: where it was like I won't be with this person,
Speaker 6: and it's like, well you don't and.
Speaker 1: You're not on the show group yeah, because we had
Speaker 1: we had Marisol and Alexia Alexia Alexia on and they
Speaker 1: said they refused to film with Adriana, and I was like.
Speaker 3: I think that's bullshit, right, I think, like I like,
Speaker 3: show up and go or don't be on the show.
Speaker 4: Right, Well, you can maybe go into it that season
Speaker 4: thinking you're not going to, but eventually you have to.
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, I mean it's inevitable that you have to, right,
Speaker 2: you have to.
Speaker 1: All Right, y'all, this is so good. We've decided we're
Speaker 1: going to make it a two parter and we come back.
Speaker 1: We're going to discuss camera