Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and welcome to Stefan
Speaker 1: never told you a prediction of iHeartRadio, and today we
Speaker 1: are I'm not gonna say cheating.
Speaker 2: But we're kind of doing a lighter.
Speaker 1: Feminist movie Friday slash Wednesday probably Wednesday at this point,
Speaker 1: which we talked about in previous episodes, where we're just
Speaker 1: gonna have a fun, light conversation about movies or media
Speaker 1: that personally made us question if maybe we were gay,
Speaker 1: along with some popular internet examples. So we're not focusing
Speaker 1: on any one movie this time. I would love if
Speaker 1: listeners wrote in and contributed to this, because I saw
Speaker 1: when I was researching this some of them just tickled
Speaker 1: me so much.
Speaker 2: It was so specific. I loved it. I have some
Speaker 2: that are pretty funny.
Speaker 3: Yeah, tickle me. Wow, that threw me all. That's my
Speaker 3: mother's phrase. I've not heard you said that ever.
Speaker 2: I'm getting older.
Speaker 3: I liked it.
Speaker 1: Yes, so I know you've heard to talk about it.
Speaker 1: We have had a really busy couple of weeks. I'm
Speaker 1: still pretty exhausted, to be honest, with recording this audio
Speaker 1: book and continuing to put out all of.
Speaker 2: Our episodes and things like that.
Speaker 1: So this is going to be a bit of a
Speaker 1: lighter one, but we do try to as much as
Speaker 1: we like to highlight months like this, we do try
Speaker 1: to highlight stuff like this throughout the year. So if
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, you're not actually doing a queer movie
Speaker 1: what we did, we try to do them through all
Speaker 1: of our.
Speaker 3: Other just recently did the trance movie like It's we
Speaker 3: want to celebrate it all year long, never gonna hold
Speaker 3: us down. But also we want to talk about some
Speaker 3: of the movies that we love that we might not
Speaker 3: be watching right.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes, yes, I think it's gonna be really fun.
Speaker 1: I do wanna. I do have a couple of disclaimers
Speaker 1: at the top, one being you can find someone of
Speaker 1: the opposite sex or any gender identity attractive and not
Speaker 1: be gay, Like that's totally a thing. Who you are
Speaker 1: attracted to also doesn't necessarily indicate how you actually identify,
Speaker 1: Like I am as perhaps gray sexual, but I would
Speaker 1: say a sexual and bi romantic. So even though I'm
Speaker 1: attracted to people of all types, that doesn't necessarily mean
Speaker 1: I'm bisexual, though I did identify it that way for
Speaker 1: a while, and it doesn't mean it won't change in
Speaker 1: the future.
Speaker 2: So and yeah, I we we kind of we're talking
Speaker 2: about this.
Speaker 1: At a hangout we had and it was fun and
Speaker 1: so we thought we would just share it. But yes,
Speaker 1: we're not. Think most of the things we're going to
Speaker 1: talk about are not things that have explicitly queer storylines.
Speaker 1: Some of them are kind of queer baby, but we
Speaker 1: did want to talk about some of the surprise ones
Speaker 1: too that maybe you wouldn't necessarily think of.
Speaker 3: I think it's the majority of my movies that I
Speaker 3: technically not really queer baby. It just happens to be
Speaker 3: this dairy role that they played And I was like, what.
Speaker 2: Well, that's kind of what I love about it. That's
Speaker 2: what I think is so interesting.
Speaker 1: So before we get into our examples, and I guess
Speaker 1: we can kind of go back and forth. I wanted
Speaker 1: to give some popular internet examples plus ones that just
Speaker 1: made me laugh. Usually it has to do with being
Speaker 1: attracted to both the male and female leads, Like that's
Speaker 1: sort of the vibe that a lot of people were
Speaker 1: putting down for this one of the big ones. When
Speaker 1: when I read it, I was like, oh, of course
Speaker 1: was cruel intentions.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's felt queer baty to me though for sure.
Speaker 2: It probably was.
Speaker 1: I actually didn't see that movie until I was quite older,
Speaker 1: like we're seeing the last five years.
Speaker 3: Maybe it wasn't, I guess because the queer baty is
Speaker 3: specific to like pandering, they weren't necessarily pandering, But I
Speaker 3: feel like it was for shock value. Is that so
Speaker 3: queer Baby?
Speaker 1: Well, there's a lot of contention around that. It can't
Speaker 1: be for sure it was. It definitely did have that
Speaker 1: shock value to it of like, ooh, look at how
Speaker 1: quote deprived she is.
Speaker 3: And it was definitely like in the melgaze, like still
Speaker 3: people who were like, oh what it was still sexual? Yeah, sure,
Speaker 3: but it's definitely more towards the mel gaze.
Speaker 1: Right right and peak behind the Curtain. We are reading
Speaker 1: Ginger Queer for the book club pic this this month,
Speaker 1: and I read it last night and it talked a
Speaker 1: lot about what we're talking about in here. And also
Speaker 1: I was researching the character Willow, who's our upcoming fictional
Speaker 1: women around the world. One of the things we're going
Speaker 1: to talk about all the issues going on with that.
Speaker 1: But one of the things that made her very groundbreaking
Speaker 1: was it wasn't done for shock value. It wasn't done
Speaker 1: for like, oh, look how sexual they are, Whereas this
Speaker 1: felt very much like the way you're saying Sarah Michelle
Speaker 1: Geller in both of these, but it was like Sarah
Speaker 1: Michelle Geller kind of what's the word for that? When
Speaker 1: oh ruining like an innocent person? It did have that vibe,
Speaker 1: but I remember it being like, oh, yeah, for sure, yes,
Speaker 1: so I totally get that.
Speaker 2: I totally get that. Example.
Speaker 1: Another one that came up that surprised me, but then
Speaker 1: when I was reading people's reasoning was the Mummy.
Speaker 3: Was surprising to you? Yes, how is that surprising to you?
Speaker 3: Like I didn't? I Yeah, I sit you the whole
Speaker 3: there's a whole meme going around, like and it shows
Speaker 3: each picture and everything's like, yes, no, wonder. I was
Speaker 3: so confused between like each character four amazing you're like
Speaker 3: five with think amazing characters that you just kind of
Speaker 3: sit there the stair at and you're like, what is this?
Speaker 3: What's going on here? And I will say Rachel Weiss
Speaker 3: has was also on my list for another movie.
Speaker 1: Yes she's one of Oh she's not. I took it off,
Speaker 1: but yeah, no, I get I get that. No, but
Speaker 1: we we have done The Mummy for a fictional movie Friday, Yes,
Speaker 1: and we did talk about how uh. One of the
Speaker 1: reasons we chose it for that movie was there was
Speaker 1: a blog post about how they were kind of in
Speaker 1: opposite gender roles, almost like he was a very supportive,
Speaker 1: kind of holding her up and she was very assertive
Speaker 1: in all of these ways. So I thought that that
Speaker 1: was interesting. Another one that surprised me. And then when
Speaker 1: I thought about it, I was like, oh, yeah, I
Speaker 1: should probably re examine this. Empire strikes back.
Speaker 3: Oh so you had already stated that.
Speaker 1: I did, but not when I was a kid, I didn't.
Speaker 1: I don't think it ever occurred to me that I
Speaker 1: because most people said it was because they were attracted
Speaker 1: to Harrison Ford and Carrie Fisher on Solo and Princess Leiah.
Speaker 1: I was attracted to Luke and then I loved Leyah.
Speaker 3: But I don't say it wasn't in love.
Speaker 1: Right, But I didn't. I don't think it occurred to
Speaker 1: me that it could be because it was such a
Speaker 1: young age, right, And then when I got older, I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, no, Like if I had a chance
Speaker 1: with Leyah, which I wouldn't because she's too good for me,
Speaker 1: But if I did.
Speaker 2: It would be all about it.
Speaker 1: So it's just it's now that I think about it,
Speaker 1: that was probably always there. I just didn't believe that
Speaker 1: it was an option or at another one that we've
Speaker 1: talked about.
Speaker 2: Jennifer's body.
Speaker 3: Jennifer's Body, that's a I think we've already talked about that,
Speaker 3: because we talked about this movie and what it was
Speaker 3: supposed to be satire in itself, but like, yeah, I
Speaker 3: did feel queerbaity, but it was host to as a commentary, right,
Speaker 3: That's what we've decided.
Speaker 1: Right, And it was because it was shots with mostly
Speaker 1: women kind of controlling like the Angle, and it was
Speaker 1: women in it, and it was kind of their friendship,
Speaker 1: but also they were you know, adolescents who were figuring
Speaker 1: things out as they say. Yeah, no, I totally get
Speaker 1: that one too. I totally get that one too. This
Speaker 1: one cracks me up, Matilda, Matilda.
Speaker 3: Because of the Honey okay, and it's a specific scene
Speaker 3: where miss Honey like everyone kept using the gift where
Speaker 3: she like brings her glasses.
Speaker 2: And it made me laugh so hard. I'm so happy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, completely didn't think about that one.
Speaker 1: No, No, I didn't either, And I don't think this
Speaker 1: was the what they were saying at all, but it
Speaker 1: did make me start thinking about how that sort of
Speaker 1: trope of older women who live alone must be lesbians.
Speaker 1: I don't think that's what they were saying at all,
Speaker 1: but it just kind of made me think about it.
Speaker 3: Have you ever seen Mansfield Park? I have not, because
Speaker 3: the woman who plays Missus Honey is in Mansfield Park
Speaker 3: with Johnny Lee Miller. M hm, let me see if
Speaker 3: you can read off the cast, because if you like,
Speaker 3: I love this movie and it's the most ridiculous movie
Speaker 3: because it's the an awful telling of Mansfield Park. They
Speaker 3: took a lot of liberty, but it had like it
Speaker 3: had her, Frances O'Connor, who she's doing several other things,
Speaker 3: King's speech, several other things, as well as Alexandro Novola.
Speaker 3: I think I'm saying his name right, and he's another
Speaker 3: big I think he's an English actor. I forgot what movie.
Speaker 3: But the four of them are probably the four most
Speaker 3: attractive people. And I say that as like the entirety
Speaker 3: of that cast. So I'm like, now I'm thinking about
Speaker 3: her relaying it to the that movie, I'm like, they're
Speaker 3: actually really attract Oh maybe that could have been one
Speaker 3: of my lists because I loved that movie. Okay, I'm
Speaker 3: gonna have to make you watch it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm into it. I'm into it. Another movie I
Speaker 1: haven't seen this Bridegreen Tomatoes.
Speaker 3: You've never seen. I think we have to remedy that soon.
Speaker 2: Another to the list.
Speaker 3: Another because I could see that there's so much to this,
Speaker 3: like because you know, I love women's friendships, love love
Speaker 3: love women's friendships and anything. And I loved their friendships
Speaker 3: so much that to the point, like because their relationships
Speaker 3: with men were so awful that you do want them
Speaker 3: to be with each other forever and ever and ever
Speaker 3: and ever, and men are not portrayed well in this
Speaker 3: movie and rightly so I'm okay with it. But wanting
Speaker 3: them to be together makes sense. Yeah, And there is
Speaker 3: like conversation of like, if you look, but I think
Speaker 3: the actual book may have leaned it towards it. Actually,
Speaker 3: now that I'm thinking about it, I think the actual
Speaker 3: book does lean to that fact that they are they're
Speaker 3: in love with each other, but of course the movie didn't,
Speaker 3: so that makes more sense.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's I found a whole essay about it. And
Speaker 1: they were talking about like, you know, they didn't say
Speaker 1: it in the movie, but they are queer.
Speaker 3: And it's great. The Portrell is beautiful.
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, we have.
Speaker 3: To that might be a next month movie because we
Speaker 3: need to watch that movie.
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm into that too for one.
Speaker 1: For one, it it's it relates to something else that
Speaker 1: I'm going to talk about in a lot of my picks.
Speaker 1: But we also talked about in things like practical magic
Speaker 1: of that idea of you know, this friendship between women
Speaker 1: and kind of growing older together, and a lot of
Speaker 1: people rightly or wrongly assuming or thinking like, oh, they.
Speaker 3: Must be really together, like we talked about platonic marriages
Speaker 3: before we did, and like it makes sense I have
Speaker 3: maybe this and you I've been talking about this recently,
Speaker 3: and you and I have talked about it too, just
Speaker 3: like in general, like not having the fear of being
Speaker 3: single that's not a thing, and knowing that we'll be okay,
Speaker 3: we'll survive. I think part of that is knowing that
Speaker 3: I have good friends like yourself and Caroline, who they're well,
Speaker 3: we're all like me and Caroline and myself are both
Speaker 3: the relationships and the majority of people are. But if
Speaker 3: we're not, we'll always be there for each other, like
Speaker 3: it doesn't matter if things go right or wrong however
Speaker 3: you want to see it because and that feels so
Speaker 3: secure that it makes everything else feel easier. Like I
Speaker 3: would rather be single with my friends who have all
Speaker 3: kind of come into this mindset, right, than miserable in
Speaker 3: a relationship where I'm isolated from my friends.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: That's that kind of level of like seeing that it's
Speaker 3: no longer said that you don't have the perfect marriage
Speaker 3: or whatever whatnot? Right, And I idealistic.
Speaker 1: I do think that there are a couple of things
Speaker 1: going on here, and one of them is something I
Speaker 1: want to come back and talk about in a happy hour.
Speaker 1: I've mentioned it recently, But platonic love can be so beautiful,
Speaker 1: like the love between friendships can be so beautiful, like
Speaker 1: more beautiful than romantic love. But I think because so
Speaker 1: much of our media frames romantic love as the end
Speaker 1: all be all, this is the best thing you can achieve.
Speaker 1: And on top of that, we don't see a lot
Speaker 1: of queer storylines that a lot of people, myself included,
Speaker 1: I've done it, do this where we're like.
Speaker 2: Maybe they're queer.
Speaker 1: Maybe this is like the representation I've been waiting for yeah,
Speaker 1: where like platonic love should be just as respected and celebrated,
Speaker 1: but it's because we don't have those queer storylines. I
Speaker 1: totally get it too. But as I've been writing fan fiction,
Speaker 1: I've noticed I do it. I do it even though
Speaker 1: I don't believe it. But it feels like a relationship
Speaker 1: isn't as important or dramatic unless it's romantic, which is
Speaker 1: not true. I want to be one hundred thousand, it's
Speaker 1: not true.
Speaker 3: And in real life, we don't want that drama exactly exactly.
Speaker 2: I get way.
Speaker 1: It makes her a good storyline, like as I'm writing it,
Speaker 1: but it does like.
Speaker 3: Okay, dramas I've seen that because I get so mad,
Speaker 3: like this is the dumbest thing. You shouldn't go for this, dude,
Speaker 3: He's awful. Why are you doing this? Don't I've been
Speaker 3: yelling at this TV more recently and getting very upset
Speaker 3: at the lead, like this is awful, what are you doing?
Speaker 3: And then like knowing that if if they resolved that
Speaker 3: the way I wanted to, it would no longer be
Speaker 3: it would be the end of the show.
Speaker 1: Right still, right, yeah, yeah, No, I totally get it,
Speaker 1: and now it cracks me up that you're yelling at
Speaker 1: the TV that that's funny. I'm that person now, yes, yes,
Speaker 1: uh so, I guess we should break into our examples,
Speaker 1: starting with yours, the one that.
Speaker 3: Mind the whole conversation because you said that you brought
Speaker 3: up You're like, I'm interested in you know, the movies
Speaker 3: that you made you go wait, And the one movie
Speaker 3: which ended up getting man's plain to us anyway was
Speaker 3: who framed Roger Rabbit? Because for some reason I watched
Speaker 3: this as a kid, and I know, like I think
Speaker 3: all of us had in a moment like that is petrifying.
Speaker 3: Christopher Lloyd's character is the most petrifying villain I've ever
Speaker 3: met in my life. I don't understand how a cartoon
Speaker 3: got that freakishly frightening so quickly. The appearance of Jessica
Speaker 3: Rabbit singing why don't you do right? I it's a
Speaker 3: damn cartoon, and I was like, what is happening? And
Speaker 3: obviously everything about that character is in the male gaze.
Speaker 3: It is definitely all very sexualized. She is a sexualized character. However,
Speaker 3: there was something to that performance and I was like, well, damn,
Speaker 3: And I say that with my full chest because I
Speaker 3: was I love love that movie is probably I haven't
Speaker 3: watched it in years. I feel like we should do
Speaker 3: a rewatch, maybe like I need to do this as
Speaker 3: an episode just for being funny, like maybe whatever. Whatnot
Speaker 3: not being a feminist movie because it's I don't it's
Speaker 3: not a feminist movie. There's no nothing about that is
Speaker 3: a feminist movie. Everything is about like being villainized essentially,
Speaker 3: and then you know cartoons. But but I did. I
Speaker 3: had that moment with like watching that performance and loving
Speaker 3: that song, loving that rendition of that song and having
Speaker 3: to not only did I want to be her, but yes,
Speaker 3: I wanted to stand next to her. Like that's the
Speaker 3: best explanation I had.
Speaker 2: Mm hmmm, that's yeah.
Speaker 1: That's interesting because that movie is scared me so bad
Speaker 1: as a kid. I haven't seen it since I was
Speaker 1: very young, and I was like, and I can't even
Speaker 1: tell you why.
Speaker 2: I just remember being scared.
Speaker 3: The eye, the high pitch. It was scary.
Speaker 2: I would love to revisit it. I think we could
Speaker 2: have we could have.
Speaker 1: Like a not feminist movie, feminist movie because I want
Speaker 1: to talk about the Super Mario.
Speaker 3: Also movies that like we just want to make each
Speaker 3: other suffer. I feel like I make ourselves suffer.
Speaker 2: There's a part of it. But there's a joy in
Speaker 2: sharing the suffering.
Speaker 1: There is, and I think there's a lot to talk
Speaker 1: about there. I definitely have felt attraction to cartoon characters,
Speaker 1: so uh, no judgment there. And I know people who
Speaker 1: Jessica Rabbit, you're not alone.
Speaker 3: I'm loved to know. I yeah, there was so of
Speaker 3: it to me. That scene, everything about that scene. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm just like, what, yes, But yes, we did get
Speaker 3: a whole like ten minute men explain about how that
Speaker 3: movie was one of the most incredibly expensive movies and
Speaker 3: all these things. You were there with me, any why
Speaker 3: are you looking like your surprise?
Speaker 2: I think I was over. I told you my ears
Speaker 2: got whelmed.
Speaker 1: I was getting caught in like fifteen different conversations, so
Speaker 1: I caught parts of it, but I was.
Speaker 3: Like, I just sat there and stared out and I
Speaker 3: was like, I don't.
Speaker 2: Care to be fair.
Speaker 1: That is something I would do if I had the
Speaker 1: right amount of alcohol, I would tell you about you know,
Speaker 1: an empire strikes back, so I can't judge too hard.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Well, so for me, I'm going to kind
Speaker 1: of cheat and combine some because I have more than you,
Speaker 1: but also I've talked about some of these before X files.
Speaker 1: That is probably my first clear memory. I don't think
Speaker 1: it's the first time, but it's my first clear memory
Speaker 1: of being like, uh, what's going on here because I'm
Speaker 1: attracted to her and oh no, and one thing, one
Speaker 1: thing I want to bring up. And I know we're
Speaker 1: going to talk about this more in our book club,
Speaker 1: but you recently owned Sex and the City. You asked me, like,
Speaker 1: what is your type? And I was like, I have
Speaker 1: such a specific type. It's hilarious. And the more that
Speaker 1: I thought about it, and after I read that book,
Speaker 1: I was like, it's kind of for me. It's very
Speaker 1: specifically in it's effeminatee men, it's men who are pretty,
Speaker 1: but it's also people. It's people who are like not
Speaker 1: they're not quite in their very traditional stereotypical gender roles.
Speaker 1: They're kind of like more masculine women or more feminine men.
Speaker 1: That's really what it is. And I wouldn't say Molder
Speaker 1: was a feminine at all, but he did have kind
Speaker 1: of my look. But she was a very kind of masculine,
Speaker 1: even though she's beautiful in a pretty traditional feminine way,
Speaker 1: but she had a like really masculine vibe about her.
Speaker 3: I wonder if it's masculine more so, like just non binary,
Speaker 3: because I don't think she was either no exiled and
Speaker 3: we just want to call it masculine because it wasn't
Speaker 3: so feminine, right, I thought she was non binary more
Speaker 3: so than anything else.
Speaker 1: I agree, And that is a good point, and that
Speaker 1: is what part of the book club it will be about.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's sort of more like in that place. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what it is. Yeah, And so I think that
Speaker 1: for me was a big That was the one I
Speaker 1: was sitting in my room in seventh grade and I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, but now, after I did this research
Speaker 1: for Buffy the Vampire Slayer, I forgot I had a
Speaker 1: crush on Seth Green's character Ozio.
Speaker 3: I loved Seth. I love redheads though. Yeah, yeah, Michael Rappaport,
Speaker 3: which he is a hilarious person, but I had a
Speaker 3: huge crush on him too, And I don't think I've
Speaker 3: ever met anyone who would say that.
Speaker 1: That's always a fun exercise. I might be the only
Speaker 1: person a huge crush on this person, his nerdyess. Yes, Yes,
Speaker 1: I had a huge crush on him. He's the reason
Speaker 1: I went to see Austin Powers. Oh no, yeah, hor
Speaker 1: old me who doesn't get these jokes and made my
Speaker 1: parents come and they're like, oh my god, it wasn't good.
Speaker 2: It wasn't good.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I I'm definitely like, looks are a big
Speaker 1: part of it, but they come second to me.
Speaker 2: It's like I have to like the person.
Speaker 1: Usually I have to like the personality first, and then
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, they're so attractive. Sometimes it goes the
Speaker 1: other way, but usually and I feel like I never
Speaker 1: really can. I remember Seth Green very clearly, but will oh,
Speaker 1: I did kind of have a crush on two and
Speaker 1: then she started dating Tara, and we're gonna talk about
Speaker 1: that in the fictional Women episode. But I was like, wow,
Speaker 1: I haven't seen this before, Like honestly, legitimately, I've not
Speaker 1: seen it before. Yeah.
Speaker 3: It was very cute too, and it wasn't too like
Speaker 3: really hot women. Yeah they were both cute sweet yeah ueah, yeah,
Speaker 3: I guess mine was. I talked about this because it's
Speaker 3: probably one of the worst movies. I mean, in existence,
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna lie, Like, the script is real bad,
Speaker 3: the ending is real bad. Adam Sandler is real bad
Speaker 3: but it's Spanglish. It's pause Vega. It was only her
Speaker 3: who actually is in the Netflix series Kaleidoscope, which I loved.
Speaker 3: That show was really fun to watch. I loved Positvega.
Speaker 3: I don't know what it was, but I was just like,
Speaker 3: holy crap. So it is like for me on this note,
Speaker 3: was I think most of these things now then my
Speaker 3: last movie is not But most of the rest of
Speaker 3: them were like just the women and like they're like,
Speaker 3: don't I don't know if this maybe their overall avert sexuality,
Speaker 3: but it wasn't sexual, of course. Jessica Rabbit, Yes it
Speaker 3: was sexual, but like for Pasvega, her character was a
Speaker 3: mother and she's trying to comfort people and she's just
Speaker 3: kind of compassionate in all these things. But there was
Speaker 3: something about her character that was just confidently sexual without
Speaker 3: being overly sexual. I don't know what it was, but
Speaker 3: I loved I loved that movie. It's such a bad movie.
Speaker 3: Kayl Ilney was a great actress and she did an
Speaker 3: amazing job, but you like she was created to not
Speaker 3: be liked, right, and I hate that for her. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and she played it too well. And then Adam Sandler's
Speaker 3: just there. But I loved, loved watching pas Vega and
Speaker 3: was a huge fan. And I know she was doing
Speaker 3: she did Sex and Lucia, which won a lot of awards.
Speaker 3: Like she was that that was her big movie beforehand.
Speaker 3: But like, I don't know, she's just such a confident
Speaker 3: woman that it just her and pad Malakshmi like to me,
Speaker 3: they're on that same level that I'm just like, again,
Speaker 3: I want to stand with you and I want to
Speaker 3: be you. How do I do this?
Speaker 2: It's interesting, Yeah, it's.
Speaker 3: Like that this whole like, man, how do I become
Speaker 3: more like you? But also can I be with you here?
Speaker 3: Thank you?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 1: I remember pad Mlashi was on your list of like
Speaker 1: dream guests. Yeah, I thought, and we got rejected. I'm like,
Speaker 1: it's probably a good thing because I think I would
Speaker 1: just pass out. Yeah yeah, And I understand I have
Speaker 1: my guests like that as well.
Speaker 2: But it was just funny. I don't know how that
Speaker 2: interview is going to go.
Speaker 3: I would just out because I already get nervous with
Speaker 3: people I'm not nervous around. I know.
Speaker 2: Well, my next one is not a movie.
Speaker 1: It is a video game, Final Fantasy seven and This
Speaker 1: is one of my favorite video games of all time.
Speaker 1: The part I'm talking about specifically is pretty problematic, but
Speaker 1: I'll talk about that more in a second. So the
Speaker 1: plotline is way too confusing to break down here. But
Speaker 1: you're a crew of people and you're going to save
Speaker 1: the world. And I had a crush on the main
Speaker 1: character Cloud, mostly because he was sad in the right
Speaker 1: way of sat that I liked at the time. It
Speaker 1: maybe be like, oh, I can pick care of you,
Speaker 1: which is not healthy, I know, but it was kind
Speaker 1: of like that vibe. I was like, Oh, he's so
Speaker 1: tragic and let me help you.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah.
Speaker 1: But then there's a whole plot point in the game
Speaker 1: where you have to Cloud, who's a male character, has
Speaker 1: to dress up as a woman convincingly and go on
Speaker 1: a date, and based on what you do, it depends
Speaker 1: on the characters that go with you. But then later
Speaker 1: who you end up dating, and you know, there's it's
Speaker 1: harder to get certain characters. So the main two are
Speaker 1: Erith and Tifa, and I had a big crush on Tifa,
Speaker 1: even though I wanted him to be with Rith. It
Speaker 1: had nothing to do with the kind of the sentiment
Speaker 1: you see with a lot of like young girls who
Speaker 1: are fans of things where they're like, oh, they can't
Speaker 1: end up with this person. It was more like I
Speaker 1: just thought erith and him were a better couple, but
Speaker 1: I was. I had a pretty big crush on Tifa
Speaker 1: and Titha was really cool. She was definitely sexualized. She
Speaker 1: is one of the characters that infamously has a huge
Speaker 1: like boob bouncing scene that is totally unnecessary, like completely
Speaker 1: and it's it's played for laughs for sure, because you
Speaker 1: can end up with if you try really hard. You
Speaker 1: can end up with Barrett, who is like this big,
Speaker 1: tough black guy and it's very like comical in the
Speaker 1: game that you end up together, which is not cool.
Speaker 2: But I did.
Speaker 1: I think that whole matching people in video games really
Speaker 1: did open the door for me where I'm like, oh, oh,
Speaker 1: well they could be together or they could be together,
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna talk about that a bit more because
Speaker 1: part of a lot of mine are not even I
Speaker 1: want to be with them.
Speaker 2: It's that I liked that they were together and they
Speaker 2: were gay.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yes, so that's Final Fantasy seven.
Speaker 3: I remember when I was like, what is this and
Speaker 3: that's a fast and Furious seven. I was so confused.
Speaker 1: I should watch Past and Furious seven and see if
Speaker 1: there's any anything going on.
Speaker 4: I'm going to tell you no, okay, just no, just
Speaker 4: just automatically no, got it. Yeah, So one of the
Speaker 4: movies that this is what I was referring to.
Speaker 3: That's the cast. I was like, yes, this cast Constantine
Speaker 3: because it is racial vice, Keanu rees till This Winton,
Speaker 3: and even Gavin Bush, like the four of them. Yes,
Speaker 3: just yes, a good pick.
Speaker 1: I'd forgotten about that movie until you said it, and
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, yeah, just.
Speaker 3: If you the whole thing because like, first of all,
Speaker 3: till This Swinton in her own like non binary cell
Speaker 3: playing one of the archangels coming down and giving wrath
Speaker 3: and hate but like loving that, and then having you know,
Speaker 3: Gavin Bush being the devil that just slides away with
Speaker 3: his accent and bad acting, a sly voice, Constantine, Keanu
Speaker 3: Reeves just coming in and out being angry and dying
Speaker 3: all the time. And then Rachel Weiss, who they don't
Speaker 3: have the greatest chemistry, I will say this, which is
Speaker 3: also why I think I did like it, because it
Speaker 3: felt like they're not gonna be together. I could like
Speaker 3: both of them type of thing.
Speaker 1: Right. Yeah, I loved that movie. I made Mom see it,
Speaker 1: and she hated it because she was kind of religious.
Speaker 2: She's religious now.
Speaker 1: But also, that's the movie. I think I've told this
Speaker 1: story before, but I ate a sixty four ounce chocolate
Speaker 1: bar during it, and I threw up straight chocolate for
Speaker 1: over an hour.
Speaker 3: Did you eat a sixty four ounce chocolate bar?
Speaker 2: I don't know. It's hard to say.
Speaker 1: It was foolish and embarrassing, but I paid the price
Speaker 1: for it.
Speaker 2: Done it?
Speaker 3: Since you surely did? You surely did.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's also when I learned to do the coin.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I love that movie. And in a recent interview Keanu
Speaker 3: Reeves did was literally saying that this is the one
Speaker 3: movie he wish he could read like, have a second movie, and.
Speaker 2: I think doing something.
Speaker 3: Apparently there's another damn john Wick movie, So why can't
Speaker 3: we have another Constantine?
Speaker 2: That's the call to action? Come on for this, come on, No,
Speaker 2: I can definitely see that one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was that was that was the pick. I
Speaker 3: was like, Yeah, I mean we've talked about the Matrix,
Speaker 3: which I'm surprised wasn't on that other list by the way.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it did show up, it just didn't
Speaker 1: show up as much as the cow.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that.
Speaker 1: Hell yeah, it's one of my biggest questions I've ever had. Yeah,
Speaker 1: oh yes, well looking back for me Star Wars, as
Speaker 1: I said, obviously obviously, but I did want to say
Speaker 1: with the sequels. I've talked about this before, but the sequels,
Speaker 1: as much as I was kind of like iffy on them,
Speaker 1: it was one of the first times I've shipped a
Speaker 1: couple in a long time, and I was kind of
Speaker 1: surprised by it, which was a storm pilot fin and
Speaker 1: po oh.
Speaker 3: That's right.
Speaker 1: It's kind of a brief it like flared out really quickly,
Speaker 1: but I remember it because it was alongside when I
Speaker 1: was coming more to terms with oh, you're asexual, then
Speaker 1: what does it mean that I'm shipping that? Like I
Speaker 1: was kind of like, what's going on here? So that
Speaker 1: was an interesting experience. And then, as I said, I
Speaker 1: write slash fan fiction now and I'm not sure.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I've got a lot to think about still.
Speaker 1: But one of the things I sent you that kind
Speaker 1: of cracks me up is this movie, little known movie,
Speaker 1: I think it went straight to video called Gold Diggers
Speaker 1: The Secret of Bear Mountain. This movie. I don't know
Speaker 1: what was going on in my life that I loved
Speaker 1: this movie so much. But the plot is like, it's
Speaker 1: a very You've got your city girl and she has
Speaker 1: to move to the country and there's talk of this
Speaker 1: trouble maker who they become friends. Christina Ricci is the
Speaker 1: city girl and Ah Slumsky is the kind of mountain
Speaker 1: mountain girl and they become unlikely friends. It is a very,
Speaker 1: like looking back, a pretty dark plot because Anna Slumsky's
Speaker 1: father's abusive and like you actually see it happen, her
Speaker 1: mother ends up in the hospital, she has injuries, there's
Speaker 1: like a near drowning that still.
Speaker 2: Sticks with me.
Speaker 1: But I remember being pretty young watching this. I get
Speaker 1: eight or nine, I think, and I wanted them to kiss.
Speaker 1: I remember very clearly. I just was like, this is it.
Speaker 1: I mean, I feel like they should kiss, that they're
Speaker 1: perfect for each other, and it was sort of the
Speaker 1: I never would have at that moment said oh, you're gay,
Speaker 1: but I just remember thinking, oh, I wanted to kiss
Speaker 1: so bad.
Speaker 3: I feel like Christina Ricci maybe a poster girl for
Speaker 3: so many movies like that, because she was also in
Speaker 3: Now and Then, which they like they never pretend like
Speaker 3: any of them are lesbians, but it definitely has like
Speaker 3: Rosie o'donald to be more all of them. And there's
Speaker 3: this aspect of these like the girls being so close
Speaker 3: that it kind of would make sense now and Then.
Speaker 3: It's probably one of my favorite favorite movies growing up.
Speaker 3: But like I'm thinking about so many of the things,
Speaker 3: is also like a sleepy hollow kind of like not
Speaker 3: that you want her to be with the girl, but
Speaker 3: she's she feels like she's built for other women or
Speaker 3: some of the men. I don't know, like like it.
Speaker 3: Am I being odd about this? Yes? Yes I am.
Speaker 4: No.
Speaker 1: I mean I can't specify why, because it's not like
Speaker 1: I hadn't seen movies that had to write girls in
Speaker 1: them that were best friends, and I hadn't been like, oh,
Speaker 1: they should make out this one in specific either the
Speaker 1: time was right. I haven't seen this movie in forever,
Speaker 1: so I can't say. Maybe there was some vibe going
Speaker 1: on that I was picking up on.
Speaker 3: I don't like again Christina Ricci.
Speaker 2: I think it might be her, but also one of
Speaker 2: the things that.
Speaker 1: And this I think I had not I hadn't even
Speaker 1: discovered fan fiction yet, but it was right around the
Speaker 1: corner I was coming. But one of the things that
Speaker 1: I really enjoy that can be platonic and should be platonic,
Speaker 1: but also can be romantic and should be romantic, is
Speaker 1: I love like when people just fiercely care about each other,
Speaker 1: Like I love like kind of that protective I'm with you,
Speaker 1: I'm going to protect you. And I feel like that's
Speaker 1: sort of what was going on here, is that they
Speaker 1: were both very protective.
Speaker 2: Of each other.
Speaker 3: I can see that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's definitely one of my my things.
Speaker 3: Again now and then it was close to that as well.
Speaker 3: I think I would I would go to that as well.
Speaker 2: Hmm.
Speaker 1: Well, my final one I've already talked about, and that
Speaker 1: was Black Swan, and I want to mention it because
Speaker 1: it was the first time in my entire life I
Speaker 1: ever had a sex stream was after I saw that movie.
Speaker 3: That's right.
Speaker 1: I like, Natalie Portman did show up on a lot
Speaker 1: of people's list.
Speaker 3: I was trying to think she ever made my list
Speaker 3: because I saw Black Swan coming up like and being like,
Speaker 3: oh no, because I saw her in shoot, well she's pregnant.
Speaker 3: Oh no. Her first movie I saw I was a professional. Yeah,
Speaker 3: which makes me sad looking back on it because she
Speaker 3: was really mistreated. But I did love that movie, and
Speaker 3: now I'm like, oh, no, that's awful. But then but
Speaker 3: then like the.
Speaker 2: Movie uh where the hurt is?
Speaker 3: Yes, that when I read the book first and she
Speaker 3: was so I thought she was such a bad actor.
Speaker 2: In it, and I was like, no, I kind of
Speaker 2: had a crush on her, as Padme.
Speaker 3: I assumed you did. I thought that's what you were
Speaker 3: talking about when you were talking about like prequels and sequels.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 1: No, but I think again, I don't think I would
Speaker 1: have ever. I just assumed I wasn't gay. It kind
Speaker 1: of breaks my heart now, but I just assumed I wasn't.
Speaker 1: So I think I was more like, oh, she's a
Speaker 1: really cool and I did find her very attractive, But
Speaker 1: I think it was more like I thought it was appreciating,
Speaker 1: Oh she's a beautiful woman and look at this fashion
Speaker 1: and like our lead character, right, was.
Speaker 3: Kate play shit on any of the lists? Because I
Speaker 3: would assume, like.
Speaker 2: The thor, I didn't see any of that.
Speaker 3: But honestly a character I would put her up there.
Speaker 2: I didn't. If listeners again, please send in your thoughts.
Speaker 1: Yes, but because I didn't find as much as I
Speaker 1: thought I would, And it's perhaps I wasn't entering the
Speaker 1: correct Google search, but I didn't, I don't think, because
Speaker 1: I would have included that, right, I don't think I
Speaker 1: saw that one, but.
Speaker 3: I mean, m h, I mean between her and Tessa Thompson,
Speaker 3: I would assume the two of them would have been
Speaker 3: on that list.
Speaker 1: Yes, I thought there would be more Tessa Thompson, uh,
Speaker 1: because she was definitely, but at that point I already
Speaker 1: knew I was queer.
Speaker 3: So I was like, yeah, but I'm like, maybe it's
Speaker 3: just all the old movies, because I would have, like
Speaker 3: I said, thought that that especially thor Ragnarrock would have
Speaker 3: been pretty high on that list because the two of
Speaker 3: them really just kind of carried.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that would be interesting if you compare sort of
Speaker 1: you know, younger generations or SUSA generations, because that might
Speaker 1: show up, like maybe a decade from now on people's
Speaker 1: list who haven't you know, realized that they're FI. Yeah, yes,
Speaker 1: that'd be interesting, and again please send in your suggestions.
Speaker 1: But also this was when you're attracted to someone that
Speaker 1: doesn't necessarily at all mean you're gay. But we were
Speaker 1: just having kind of this conversation about when you start
Speaker 1: to think maybe at.
Speaker 3: This point like oh, this makes sense, right, but you're like, oh.
Speaker 1: Like for me it was x files and for not
Speaker 1: just me it was x files, but a lot of
Speaker 1: people did say this is when I realized, right, So
Speaker 1: it's not it doesn't have.
Speaker 2: To be that, but it has been that for a
Speaker 2: lot of people, and.
Speaker 3: Then for us it's just like questioning because they could
Speaker 3: be like, oh that I can see it that moment too.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I feel like I'm gonna after we'd die,
Speaker 1: I'm going to have this whole epiphany of so many more.
Speaker 2: But I feel like gold Digger's the secret of Bear
Speaker 2: Mountain was that that was that was gold.
Speaker 3: But I can remembering that one between you and I
Speaker 3: maybe with the who plays Roger rabbit Ball, like, okay,
Speaker 3: keep that in the interesting.
Speaker 2: Yes, I love it. I love it.
Speaker 1: I mean I have on my phone because I'm a
Speaker 1: total nerd the list of all the crushes I've had
Speaker 1: in my life, and some of them are outright embarrassing
Speaker 1: in their cartoons and it's like what was going on here?
Speaker 1: But yes, we would love to hear from you about this. Listeners,
Speaker 1: and we will return with our regular feminist movie Wednesday Friday,
Speaker 1: unfeminist movie perhaps next month, but in the meantime, if
Speaker 1: you have any suggestions, if you have any thoughts about this,
Speaker 1: any examples of your own, we would love to hear
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Speaker 3: Yes, okay, listen to it yet, but you can pre
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Speaker 1: You are relind Yes, if you're so inclined, and we
Speaker 1: would appreciate it. Thanks as always to our super producer Christina,
Speaker 1: our executive producer Maya, and our contributor Joey.
Speaker 3: I have to know if they've heard of any of
Speaker 3: these movies. Have y'all heard of any of these movies?
Speaker 3: Because y'all are youngins.
Speaker 2: Yes, what are your examples?
Speaker 3: It's maybe not the thin, but I'd like who framed
Speaker 3: Roger Rabbit? Do they know about this movie?
Speaker 2: We've got to know? Please write in yes. And thanks
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