Speaker 1: The late fifteen ten touchdown. What's up, guys, Welcome its
Speaker 1: way brand new episode of Chargers Weekly, presented by Microsoft
Speaker 1: Surface as always, joined by Matt money Smith. And now
Speaker 1: that we are in the Charges off season, we'd like
Speaker 1: to bring guests on every week. And this guy does
Speaker 1: this a week after the Senior Bowl for us. It's
Speaker 1: an annual tradition. Now, Rick Sarah Tella NFL Draft Bible Money.
Speaker 1: We love having Rick, we do and be sure to
Speaker 1: check out all the great draft coverage at SI dot com.
Speaker 1: We don't bring him on because it feels space to
Speaker 1: bring him on, because he's one of the best, and
Speaker 1: we appreciate the time. It's time is valuable. Right now,
Speaker 1: you're coming off the Senior Bowl. Rick, A lot of
Speaker 1: times quarterback dependent, you know. We know justin Herbert certainly
Speaker 1: raised his hands there, both of them, you know, just
Speaker 1: to let you know that he had too. That worked.
Speaker 1: But this year it seemed like, maybe you know, little
Speaker 1: little in terms of sizzle at that particular position, but
Speaker 1: what about other positions and maybe what your takeaways were
Speaker 1: from that that week in that game, Yeah, Herbert put
Speaker 1: his hands up, pick it, put his hands down, and
Speaker 1: you know We've seen a lot of quarterbacks throughout the
Speaker 1: years though, fellas, thanks for having me, Christian Pounder, ej Manuel,
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones. They made themselves a lot of money at
Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl, and so it was a little bit disappointing.
Speaker 1: I know Will Levis out of Kentucky had some injuries
Speaker 1: he was dealing with this year. It would have been
Speaker 1: nice to just see him go down there, maybe at
Speaker 1: least interview with the teams. We didn't have that this year.
Speaker 1: Not exactly the the star Leiden quarterback class, but guys
Speaker 1: like Jake Kner took full advantage. He won the MVP.
Speaker 1: I think, you know, after seeing what Brock Purdy has done,
Speaker 1: you got to kind of take a deep dive into
Speaker 1: these quarterbacks. And Tyson Badget out of Sheppard had a
Speaker 1: nice showing throughout the week. But yeah, I think you know,
Speaker 1: the great thing about Senior Bowl is you get Power five,
Speaker 1: you get small school fcs. A guy like Cody Martz
Speaker 1: from North Dakota State is out there serving up pancakes
Speaker 1: to the P five and a lot of risers, a
Speaker 1: lot of surprisers. Luke Musgrave comes to mind. I mean,
Speaker 1: you hear about the athleticism. You see that frame, I
Speaker 1: think George Kittle, you know, this kid's the real deal.
Speaker 1: Tight end is a really strong group this year, and
Speaker 1: there's a lot of depth in this year's class with
Speaker 1: the trickle down from COVID, every player getting that extra
Speaker 1: year of eligibility. I don't think we have the blue
Speaker 1: chip draft that everybody always likes to see, but I
Speaker 1: do think we have a tremendously deep draft. Rick, Let's
Speaker 1: let's dig in a little bit. The Chargers will select
Speaker 1: at twenty one overall and money and I kind of
Speaker 1: preliminary looked at Okay, speedwide receiver would make sense, a
Speaker 1: quality tight end would make sense. Maybe an edge rusher
Speaker 1: when given Joey Bosa's injury history and Khalil mac aging.
Speaker 1: Let's just start with the offensive side. Wide receivers in
Speaker 1: tight ends down Inmobile that impressed. Yeah. You know, for me,
Speaker 1: this tank dell out of Houston. There is a lot
Speaker 1: of buzz around him. I didn't do an in depth
Speaker 1: study right before the Senior Bowl and said, man, this
Speaker 1: guy has got some burst, quick, get off explosion. I
Speaker 1: think his route running can create separation that is rare,
Speaker 1: and he might even be knocking on that back end
Speaker 1: of the first round range. I think he would be
Speaker 1: a true steel in round two if he's still on
Speaker 1: the board. But how about my new Jersey guy at
Speaker 1: a Princeton y shave us. I mean, he made himself
Speaker 1: some money throughout the week. He showed that he belonged.
Speaker 1: You know a lot of times you come into the
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl with that IVY League helmet, the teams are
Speaker 1: questioning question and how much does he love the game?
Speaker 1: Does he really need it? This kid really won a
Speaker 1: lot of folks over I think both on the field
Speaker 1: in the interview room. Ronnie Bell from Michigan, I think
Speaker 1: he was one of the fastest time the guys on
Speaker 1: the GPS tracker throughout the week, which was good because
Speaker 1: he was coming off that Acle injury. Before that injury,
Speaker 1: he was thought to be a top one hundred guy.
Speaker 1: I think he lost some of that luster with that
Speaker 1: Acle injury, so it was good to kind of see
Speaker 1: him rebound and show that type top plight speed. I
Speaker 1: think he's a solid mid round pick. And then Michael
Speaker 1: Wilson out of Stanford, I mean, who who who? Who
Speaker 1: wasn't departing mobile impressed with this young man. The route,
Speaker 1: running the hands, the consistency, and again in mobile, those
Speaker 1: one on ones throughout the practice week that separates the
Speaker 1: contenders from the pretenders. Wilson all week long with shredding defenders.
Speaker 1: Just uh, you know, Rick expand beyond the Senior Bowl,
Speaker 1: and I think tight ends an interesting position, you know
Speaker 1: for the Chargers at twenty one there. Uh, you know
Speaker 1: it's possible that the top tight end will be there.
Speaker 1: I know people will have him slotted differently. But you
Speaker 1: know you mentioned Craft at the Senior Bowl making himself
Speaker 1: some money. You know, I was fortunate to call the
Speaker 1: Scutah game, so I got to see Dalton kid Kade
Speaker 1: really put his imprint on a game. Mayor seems to
Speaker 1: be a number one guy for a lot of people.
Speaker 1: You mentioned Musgrave being a kittle kind of guy, and
Speaker 1: then you got h what's his Washington out of Georgia.
Speaker 1: So kind of walk us through how that position looks
Speaker 1: when you think that first guy is going to come
Speaker 1: off the board. How many first rounders, like, let's just
Speaker 1: talk tight ends. Yeah, let's throw that two out of
Speaker 1: Alabama into the equation. I guess there's so many pass catchers,
Speaker 1: so many tight end threats. And to me, Michael Mayer
Speaker 1: is the best of the bunch. He actually reminds me
Speaker 1: go back at decade fellas Kyle Rudolph coming out of
Speaker 1: Notre Dame for catch can block. I think Mayor's a
Speaker 1: top end of the first half first round. I think
Speaker 1: that Musgrave, You've got a bet on the upside there
Speaker 1: with the NFL bloodlines, the physicality, the athleticism, I think
Speaker 1: his best football is ahead of him. If you told
Speaker 1: me five years down the road that Musgrave would be
Speaker 1: a top five tight end, I would not be surprised.
Speaker 1: So I think he sneaks into the first round. And
Speaker 1: I'll be honest. I mean Musgrave Darnell Washington out of Georgia.
Speaker 1: I have a hard time picking which guy I like
Speaker 1: more because when you can move at six foot seven,
Speaker 1: two hundred and fifty pounds like Darnel Wash, Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: incredible and it's amazing because his teammate Brock Bowers, I
Speaker 1: mean that kid is maybe better than Kyle Pitts. The
Speaker 1: sky's the limit for him. And Washington might be a
Speaker 1: first round guy. And you mentioned Kincaid. There's a lot
Speaker 1: of love for him in the scouting community. Now I'm
Speaker 1: kind of wondering what his time speed is because I
Speaker 1: don't think I don't see a guy like when you
Speaker 1: match him up against Musk Grave and some of these
Speaker 1: other tight ends. I don't think he's gonna run like Bambi,
Speaker 1: so he might get knocked there. I slapped the third
Speaker 1: round grade on him. I know a lot of people
Speaker 1: like him in the first round. I think he splits
Speaker 1: the difference in the second round. In LAT two is
Speaker 1: a good case study as well, because I believe Jalil
Speaker 1: Billingsley was there transferred to Texas, quit the team. Oh
Speaker 1: by the way, we had him out at the NFLPA
Speaker 1: Collegiate Bold and LAT two steps in and lights the
Speaker 1: world on fire. So I think he's a guy in
Speaker 1: the middle rounds that could be great value. Rick I
Speaker 1: mentioned edge, and you know, I look at what the
Speaker 1: charges currently have. Alwe missed a lot of games this year.
Speaker 1: Khalil Mack coincidentally played in all of them, and you
Speaker 1: know he's had some injury history, so you going into
Speaker 1: twenty twenty three, Kyle Vanois was a guy who's unsigned
Speaker 1: right now, older guy who contributed a lot. I think
Speaker 1: that the charges are gonna have to develop some young
Speaker 1: talent on the edge, even if it's not first round.
Speaker 1: Who are some guys that you think would be a
Speaker 1: nice fit for the Volts. I'll stick him to the
Speaker 1: senior ball. This keyon White, I mean he looked really
Speaker 1: good down there at a Georgia Tech. He really caught
Speaker 1: my attention because I thought I saw him as a
Speaker 1: mid round prospect. Then he goes down to Mobile and
Speaker 1: he's winning those one on ones. He's shown a pass
Speaker 1: rush repertoire. Now his game's a little bit raw, right,
Speaker 1: He's got to be developed and coached up and get
Speaker 1: with the NFL strength and conditioning program. But the upside
Speaker 1: is there and you saw the flashes. Same thing with
Speaker 1: the kid from Maya was State McDonald. Will McDonald I
Speaker 1: like to say he's a psyche clone physically and literally.
Speaker 1: He saw the spin move he was putting on guys.
Speaker 1: He's got incredible bend and dip around the corner. He
Speaker 1: bends like what's his name with the horse and the
Speaker 1: donkey Gumby. I mean this guy, he's like, he's like
Speaker 1: Gumby on the edge. So those are two guys that
Speaker 1: stood out to me in Mobile. I think you know
Speaker 1: a guy like Myles Murphy from Clumpson might be there
Speaker 1: at twenty one and he could play inside, he could
Speaker 1: play outside. He's been moved up and down that defensive line.
Speaker 1: He's right in that two seventy two seventy five range,
Speaker 1: so he can play with his hand in the dirt um.
Speaker 1: You know, it depends on, you know, what direction the
Speaker 1: Chargers want to go. But I agree with you, Bosa
Speaker 1: not only has been a injury liability, but man, we
Speaker 1: gotta we gotta reel him in a little bit that temperament.
Speaker 1: Man custom some laundry on the field, man, and it
Speaker 1: wasn't good to see. So we gotta reel in Bosa
Speaker 1: there a little too excited. Uh certainly gets upset. He
Speaker 1: gets held the um, you know, going from edge tot
Speaker 1: rear line, you know. And we saw there was an
Speaker 1: issue with the Chargers, and they certainly had a number
Speaker 1: of guys step up big, particularly Brandon Fahoko practice squad guys.
Speaker 1: But we know, you know, looked you look at the
Speaker 1: Super Bowl, right and you see what Chris Jones, who's
Speaker 1: in the Defensive Player of the Year conversation, Fletcher Cox,
Speaker 1: I mean, Hargrave, you have you have to be stacked
Speaker 1: at that interior line position, you know, just kind of
Speaker 1: knowing what defense the Chargers play kind of at three
Speaker 1: to four, the way Brandon Staley wants to play defense.
Speaker 1: What about some big bodies that are in the middle
Speaker 1: that might be around for second round that that you
Speaker 1: would circle. Yeah, that's a great point. I mean you
Speaker 1: got to start with Janalen Carter at a Georgia. I
Speaker 1: mean a lot of a lot of things sniff him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but you know it's worth noting that. You know, if
Speaker 1: he were in the draft last year, he probably would
Speaker 1: have been a first round pick. But in terms of
Speaker 1: the Chargers, Brian Burres out of Clemson could also be
Speaker 1: there in twenty twenty one range, but he's more, you know,
Speaker 1: of an interior guy. And if you're looking for that,
Speaker 1: Mazzie Smith out of Michigan is a guy that's high
Speaker 1: on our radar. Keno Benten from Wisconsin is another guy
Speaker 1: that I think will be early off the board. So
Speaker 1: you know, those are probably the top defensive tackles. You know,
Speaker 1: if I'm the Chargers, I'm probably looking in the mid
Speaker 1: to late rounds. There a guy like Collegia Kancy out
Speaker 1: of Pittsburgh, maybe undersized, you can get him in the
Speaker 1: late rounds, maybe out plays where he selected with his
Speaker 1: draft position. Might be a guy that I would target
Speaker 1: in the late rounds. Rick, I remember so vividly last
Speaker 1: year the praise that you heaped on Zion Johnson, and
Speaker 1: but you know, the Chargers draft him. He has a
Speaker 1: really good rookie season. Your thoughts on how he played
Speaker 1: in his prospects and year two and beyond, And then
Speaker 1: just along that same line, you can never have enough
Speaker 1: offensive lineman for Justin Herbert. And you know, with Trey
Speaker 1: Pipkins being a free agent and some of the injuries
Speaker 1: that they had across the line this year, who are
Speaker 1: maybe some depth pieces that could be starters eventually for
Speaker 1: the Bolts. Yeah, you know, I think he's going to
Speaker 1: be a building block that they build around in the future.
Speaker 1: And I think the offensive line class as a whole
Speaker 1: is a great depth wise, a position that the Chargers
Speaker 1: could could kind of dig into here because tackle center
Speaker 1: again to like largely in depth stat positions. I look
Speaker 1: at a guy Darnell right at a Tennessee. This guy,
Speaker 1: to me, I saw him at the Senior Bowl. He's
Speaker 1: a plug and play tackle. I think he can just
Speaker 1: step in immediately. Tyler Steen from Alabama, who was highly
Speaker 1: impressed with Some people like him as a tackle, some
Speaker 1: people like him as a guard. You guys might be
Speaker 1: familiar with Rasaun Slater. Tyler Steen has that inside outside versatility.
Speaker 1: I think he could be had in the second or
Speaker 1: third round. Matthew Bergieron from Syracuse. Now here's a guy
Speaker 1: who's got a lot of hype withheld his own, but
Speaker 1: he's kind of plateaued. So I feel like with bersier On,
Speaker 1: you know what you're getting. He can compete for a
Speaker 1: starting job in year one. I don't think he has
Speaker 1: the upside as some of the guys listed ahead of him,
Speaker 1: but he's a He's a solid, dependable guy. Then Ryan
Speaker 1: Hayes from Michigan, Like you go back to Jim Harbaugh
Speaker 1: back in Stanford, He's always had well coached offensive lineman,
Speaker 1: well coached tight ends. Now, Hayes, he lacks that bubble,
Speaker 1: but the scouts want to see that bubble butt with
Speaker 1: your offensive lineman when you got a flatbut you lack
Speaker 1: that lower body strength at the ability to push. So
Speaker 1: I think Hayes slides a little bit about that. But
Speaker 1: he's got starter traits. One last guy, Carter Warren at
Speaker 1: of Pittsburgh. He's a guy that can play a lot
Speaker 1: of different positions, was injured. I think he's gonna outplay
Speaker 1: his draft back. And then I gotta mention John Gaines
Speaker 1: from Ucla because we had great offensive line coaches at
Speaker 1: the NFLPA Bowl, Jackie Slater, Rich Cyberd, a Super Bowl champion,
Speaker 1: our friend Lanzino, and they all ranted and raved about
Speaker 1: John Gaines and the UCLA coaching staff. They talk about
Speaker 1: FBI football intelligence. This kid is through the roof. He
Speaker 1: actually took reps at all five positions. Then he went
Speaker 1: got called up to the East West Shrine Bowl. Some
Speaker 1: people like him at center, some people like him at guard.
Speaker 1: He's played at tackle. John Gaines as a guy, I think,
Speaker 1: you know, he was probably an undrafted free agent coming
Speaker 1: into the All Star circuit. I think he's a fourth
Speaker 1: or fifth round pick. Now Riches specifically a name you know,
Speaker 1: every now and then a name will will jump out,
Speaker 1: you know, for the Chargers, and they're fans, you know,
Speaker 1: not saying like inside baseball, but just casual observers. Last
Speaker 1: year it was Jamison Williams. We could not hear the
Speaker 1: name Jamison Williams enough when it came to charge like
Speaker 1: three podcasts. Yeah, dedicate is James Williams. I'm that guy alone.
Speaker 1: But let's it seems like this year that that name
Speaker 1: is Jalen Hyatt and it's it's speed. You know, the
Speaker 1: chargers need speed. Like where do you I've seen him?
Speaker 1: You know, outside the top five receivers. I've seen him,
Speaker 1: you know, in the top twenty, Like where do you
Speaker 1: come out? Because he's gonna run in the what four threes?
Speaker 1: Low four threes? Maybe, Yeah, I've seen him actually as
Speaker 1: high as the number one wide receiver come off the
Speaker 1: board right. And you know, for me, I'm a TCU
Speaker 1: fan of Quentin Johnson. I think he's the top guy
Speaker 1: Jackson Smith and Jigba Jordan Addison. I can understand being
Speaker 1: the number one wide receiver. When I watched Jail and Hyatt,
Speaker 1: I mean, it's an incredible film that he's laid down,
Speaker 1: but it's a cartoon it is, and it's almost like
Speaker 1: a video game. But you know, here's the deal. NFL
Speaker 1: is fascinated with speed. It's something you can't teach. When
Speaker 1: I look at Jaalen Hyatt, I see a one trick, Pony,
Speaker 1: It's a damn good trick, but I just have a
Speaker 1: hard time struggling with sliding him into the first round
Speaker 1: equation when he's just winning on straight line speed and
Speaker 1: I think NFL defensive coordinators are going to be able
Speaker 1: to figure that out. I don't have him in the
Speaker 1: first round Nix. I understand the allure, I understand the luster,
Speaker 1: but it's just not my flavor of the week. Running
Speaker 1: Back is another topic that I feel like every single
Speaker 1: year we talk about here. Obviously, Austin Ekeler, his play
Speaker 1: and his performance speaks for itself led the NFL touchdowns again,
Speaker 1: but we're always talking about that bigger back to compliment
Speaker 1: Austin Ekeler. Is it worth a first round pick? Is
Speaker 1: it somebody you get in the third or fourth round.
Speaker 1: I don't know. If you just walk us through some
Speaker 1: of the running back class and a guy that maybe
Speaker 1: could carry the load to be a nice compliment to
Speaker 1: Austin potentially, Yeah, I'm never a believer of drafting a
Speaker 1: running back in the first round. That's me personally. I
Speaker 1: just see too many guys going the mid late undrafted
Speaker 1: range and come in and make an impact. But Ty
Speaker 1: Jay spears to me at two lane, he made himself
Speaker 1: a case. I think he's now in that second round
Speaker 1: equation after the week he had at Mobile. I mean
Speaker 1: the change of the direction, the first, the vision, the explosion.
Speaker 1: He showed the ability to catch the ball down there.
Speaker 1: So I really like that if you want to between
Speaker 1: the tackles thumper though. Zach sharbon At out of UCLA,
Speaker 1: I mean, this guy is a yack monster. He reminds
Speaker 1: me of James Connor actually, And if you can get
Speaker 1: a Zach Sharbone in the third or fourth round, if
Speaker 1: you're getting James Connor in the third or fourth round,
Speaker 1: hey sign me up. Chase Brown out of Illinois. I
Speaker 1: think as a guy, I saw him his willingness, he
Speaker 1: was sticking his nose in there and past protection at
Speaker 1: the senior ball. I like that kind of party. Of course,
Speaker 1: he has the brother Sydney Brown. And I'm gonna give
Speaker 1: you I'm gonna go way down, digging in the crepes
Speaker 1: crates out here in Jersey Mammoth, right down the shore,
Speaker 1: Jersey Shore, right down the road. This guy's a four
Speaker 1: down player. Guys, He's the best short yardage runner in
Speaker 1: the entire NFL draft. And I like the kid out
Speaker 1: of Nevada to Toatua, to Atah. But mamouth, he's got
Speaker 1: the best short yardage ability. He runs, he passed, he catches,
Speaker 1: he blocks, he plays all four special teams units. He's
Speaker 1: not going to get drafted. But man, once you get
Speaker 1: that guy in the facility, just like Austin Eikler, you're
Speaker 1: not gonna be able to cut him. Who is he?
Speaker 1: What's his name? He saw what? Oh? Well? Owen Owen right,
Speaker 1: Adammica yeah, Owen right, alright, monumus Owen right we um. Look,
Speaker 1: Breece Hall was tracking to be the rookie of the year.
Speaker 1: I mean, he was playing incredible football, and I think
Speaker 1: you can tie a lot of the failures of the Jets,
Speaker 1: you know, from their towards start to their disappointing finish
Speaker 1: to him not being out there um and the way
Speaker 1: they wanted to run. So what I'm doing, what I'm
Speaker 1: doing is setting up the case for a first round back. Right.
Speaker 1: Let's just say Bijean Robinson is sitting there at twenty one.
Speaker 1: You know, I feel like people are really high on Bichean,
Speaker 1: like they really like this kid. Where just in terms
Speaker 1: of the talent, forget about the I don't the philosophy, right,
Speaker 1: you put that guy on the field. What are we
Speaker 1: looking at? Top five player in the draft, top ten
Speaker 1: running back as a rookie. I mean, but at the
Speaker 1: end of the day, I look at guys. He is
Speaker 1: in the sae Quon Barkley, Ezekiel Elliott, Adrian Peterson. If
Speaker 1: I date myself, I go back Darren McFadden, Reggie Bush.
Speaker 1: He's in that equation. He's that good. Now, what's the
Speaker 1: common denominator all those guys are just mentioned. I don't
Speaker 1: recall any of them putting a team on their back
Speaker 1: and running them into the super Bowl. So, and that's
Speaker 1: where I get back to, like, I just can't invest
Speaker 1: a first round picking a running back. But if I
Speaker 1: were to, I said it about Sae Kwon Barkley, it
Speaker 1: would be Bjean Robinson. I mean, there's not much this
Speaker 1: guy can't do, and it was Shawn Johnson. His backup
Speaker 1: is pretty damn good too. He might wind up getting
Speaker 1: drafted as as the backup to Bijean Robinson. But no,
Speaker 1: he's He's an electrifying talent. There's not much he can't do.
Speaker 1: He's probably a top five overall player in the NFL draft.
Speaker 1: But I mean it's that devalued position, right. But but Rick,
Speaker 1: let's say this. Let's say you put Robinson on a
Speaker 1: Chargers offense with Justin Herbert as the quarterback and Austin
Speaker 1: Eckler as the other running back who could do everything,
Speaker 1: and Justin has these weapons, and you put a talent
Speaker 1: like Robinson who doesn't have to carry the offense. Justin
Speaker 1: Herbert is going to take care of that. What does
Speaker 1: that do for a Chargers offense in terms of explosiveness?
Speaker 1: It's a luxury piece, right, It puts them over the
Speaker 1: top maybe. And so the Chargers when you look at
Speaker 1: their roster, they don't have a lot of weaknesses. And
Speaker 1: I think I remember the Falcons they put together a
Speaker 1: hefty package I think to get Julio Jones during the
Speaker 1: draft and that was kind of at the time a
Speaker 1: lot to give up, but it was kind of the
Speaker 1: piece they needed to get over the top. They went
Speaker 1: winded up going into the Super Bowl. John Robinson is
Speaker 1: that kind of piece. So at twenty one, if you
Speaker 1: told me the Chargers were gonna pull the trigger, I've
Speaker 1: got no qualms there, just not my philosophy belief but
Speaker 1: he think someone will draft them high. Rick, you think
Speaker 1: like he do. You think he goes in the top
Speaker 1: ten or the top fifteen. I think he goes, and
Speaker 1: I think he goes in the top twenty. But I
Speaker 1: will say this, there are exceptions to the rule. The
Speaker 1: Chargers might be that case because where where are their needs?
Speaker 1: I don't know, you guys know better than I do.
Speaker 1: But in terms of roster construction, I look at them
Speaker 1: very similar to the Bengals, Like, there's not a lot
Speaker 1: of weaknesses there. So if you can afford to use
Speaker 1: a first round pick on a luxury piece, if you
Speaker 1: feel like that's the missing link, I'm all for it.
Speaker 1: So you know, and look, we love Nas. You know,
Speaker 1: we had high hope for Nas out of Delaware. It
Speaker 1: just you know, seeing the way his playtime shifted toward
Speaker 1: the back end of the season and how he was
Speaker 1: spending more and more time off the field than on
Speaker 1: the field. You know, and this is a decision year
Speaker 1: for Nas, Like how about free safety and just that
Speaker 1: that high state. You know, he plays a lot of
Speaker 1: too high you know, we know that that that's what
Speaker 1: Brandon Sailor rens. But you know, we know he likes
Speaker 1: to have Derwin. Coach Day likes to have Derwin all
Speaker 1: over the field. So what about that last line of defense,
Speaker 1: free safety. What do we have in this draft? Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, Christopher Smith was a guy at the Senior Bowl.
Speaker 1: A little bit undersized there, but he can play in
Speaker 1: the box. He can step up and almost play that
Speaker 1: that linebacker slot safety role. J. L. Skinner was a
Speaker 1: guy that had an outstanding we could practice out of
Speaker 1: Boise State. Now he's the complete opposite. At six foot four,
Speaker 1: two hundred plus pounds, he's gonna run probably in the
Speaker 1: sub four five range. Ranie Hickman out of Ohio State.
Speaker 1: I feel like it is almost like a forgotten guy.
Speaker 1: And then the kid from Florida, Trey Dean. I can't
Speaker 1: recall if he I think he might have been at
Speaker 1: the East West Shrine Bowl. But Trey Dean, this guy
Speaker 1: at one point was considered a first round pick. He
Speaker 1: was lights out at the Shrine Bowl. He's played both
Speaker 1: safety positions. He can play freelance, center field, he could
Speaker 1: play up in the box. So in terms of versatility
Speaker 1: and a chess piece, Trey Dean could play free, he
Speaker 1: could play strong, he could play a linebacker. He could
Speaker 1: play slot. That would be a guy I would probably
Speaker 1: target in the third or fourth round. Rick, do you
Speaker 1: remember your evaluation of J. T. Woods. He was a
Speaker 1: guy that charges drafted in the third round. Did not
Speaker 1: get a lot of run this year at all. But
Speaker 1: the hope is he can make a leap from his
Speaker 1: rookie year to his second season. Yeah, we had a
Speaker 1: big buzz. In fact, we had him. I think at
Speaker 1: the NFL PA Bowl on our scouting staff was very
Speaker 1: high on him. Now I lost tabs once he went
Speaker 1: to the pros. Maybe he was injured. I don't know
Speaker 1: what the case was, but yeah, the skill set, the athleticism,
Speaker 1: it's all there. And I remember him coming out there
Speaker 1: was a little bit of a buzz. So not sure
Speaker 1: would happened this year, but I think he's a guy
Speaker 1: that can at least at the very least make a
Speaker 1: name for himself on the special teams. And I think
Speaker 1: he would be a rotational defender I would imagine. But yeah,
Speaker 1: our scouting department was very high on him coming out.
Speaker 1: I think he made a bunch of plays on special
Speaker 1: teams in college as well. Yeah, it just seemed like
Speaker 1: for a just struggled a to diagnose b tackle, you
Speaker 1: know angles, you know, really really struggled and run support.
Speaker 1: I know, look, I know people are and look there's
Speaker 1: a reason why people got excited about JT. Right he
Speaker 1: lets he led the nation and interceptions, guy, what six
Speaker 1: of them? I think that last year? But what about
Speaker 1: I mean, I feel bad just kind of jumping you're
Speaker 1: asking you off the top of your head. What about
Speaker 1: those guys you know, like a Looie Gilman who filled
Speaker 1: in from admirably. You know, real smart player seems to
Speaker 1: make the right decision more often than not. Can you
Speaker 1: think of sort of secondary players that fall into that category, Like, hey,
Speaker 1: this guy's not gonna run a four to three, but man,
Speaker 1: the intangibles are there, the smarts are there. Maybe he
Speaker 1: was the defensive captain something like that. The one guy
Speaker 1: that comes to immediate thought is Riley Moss out of Iowa,
Speaker 1: And like scouts keep telling me he's a safety because
Speaker 1: he can't run, but I mean he's he's stuck. He
Speaker 1: was neck and neck with every receiver out there and
Speaker 1: the one on the runs during your Bowl. So you know,
Speaker 1: there's a difference between time speed and game speed. And
Speaker 1: so I don't care if Riley Moss goes out to
Speaker 1: the Combiner's pro day and runs a four or five
Speaker 1: four and that's not sexy. He can stick you in
Speaker 1: the side pocket. I'm keeping him at corner and at
Speaker 1: the very least you have an instinctual ball hawk free
Speaker 1: safety type. But man Riley Moss is the guy that
Speaker 1: really standing. Kedron Smith from Kentucky and by the way,
Speaker 1: I had a chance to meet his family. What a great,
Speaker 1: great family. But he was lights out, lockdown at the
Speaker 1: NFL PA Jim Nagan called us up, said, hey, we
Speaker 1: need a corner. Who do you got Kedrin Smith? He
Speaker 1: went down, lights out, I mean. And it's a shame
Speaker 1: because he's not invited to the NFL Scouting combine. He
Speaker 1: was snubbed. But Kedrin Smith's gonna get drafted. He's got length,
Speaker 1: he's got sized another one of those guys. He's almost
Speaker 1: six two, so people think, oh he's a safety. Not
Speaker 1: so fast, my friend. He's got some man to man
Speaker 1: coverage capabilities. Hey, Rick, last thing for me, and it's
Speaker 1: a shame we're not gonna be able to do this
Speaker 1: this year. What are the things I love doing with
Speaker 1: money last year? Like the last five minutes of each podcast,
Speaker 1: Money broke down punters and j K Scott. J K
Speaker 1: Scott was awesome this year for the Chargers. They don't
Speaker 1: need a punter, but just for money, because I think
Speaker 1: this may be the only time that we're going to
Speaker 1: talk about punters. Give me your top three or four
Speaker 1: putters and uh, I'll get year. It was an anomaly
Speaker 1: year last year. We had so many good punters. It
Speaker 1: was just a putty. Money was the Melk Keiper junior
Speaker 1: of putty. We had Stowe House, We had all these
Speaker 1: dudes and Buddy knew everything about every putter in Haze,
Speaker 1: and I mean, it was just a really weird year
Speaker 1: last year. I'll tell you what, guys, this is my
Speaker 1: twenty first year covering the draft. It's I think my
Speaker 1: fourth or fifth year working with the NFL PA Bowl.
Speaker 1: I've been to hundreds, if not thousands, of Pro days.
Speaker 1: I've never seen a line of scouts waiting to speak
Speaker 1: to a punter like I did out in Pasadena with
Speaker 1: this Michigan kid, Roberts. I think he is and our
Speaker 1: our scout had him between five one five and five
Speaker 1: three five average hang time and he's a righty punter.
Speaker 1: But Nick Novak or special teams coach said, hey, check
Speaker 1: this out. He's got a lefty spin on it. I
Speaker 1: don't know how that's happening, but he had a punt
Speaker 1: in the game. The guy fumbled. They say a left handed,
Speaker 1: left footed punter is responsible for one winning a year
Speaker 1: because you're gonna muffle anyway. Roberts out of Michigan. You
Speaker 1: got my guy Corsac out of Rutgers from Australia, he's
Speaker 1: got the boot. And then you got Turk from Arizona State.
Speaker 1: You might remember his father. Oh yeah, yes, you got
Speaker 1: some some pretty good punters here. And the Syracuse kid,
Speaker 1: a bad eight Sarah Kus has a knack for putting
Speaker 1: punters into the pros. They got another one in Smith.
Speaker 1: Last thing, Rick Um. You know, Bruce Felman does the
Speaker 1: Freak List, and every year we see these just physical
Speaker 1: freaks specimens that for whatever reason, they slide. You know
Speaker 1: last year Terrek Woollen. You think about you know, DK
Speaker 1: Metcalf slide into the late second. Is there that guy
Speaker 1: that that measurables just off the charts but for some
Speaker 1: reason production wasn't there. Hows every year, every single year,
Speaker 1: one of these physical freak kids drafted in the fourth
Speaker 1: round and becomes like the sensation of the draft, and
Speaker 1: how did we pass on him? And this year we're
Speaker 1: talking trek Woollen redraft me a top five pick. Thanks
Speaker 1: for that setup money. I mean, I got a good
Speaker 1: one for you. Yeah, Derek Parish out of Houston, Okay,
Speaker 1: And I got my red on today, maybe just for him.
Speaker 1: He reminds me of Heuscheck. And this kid is a thumper. Okay.
Speaker 1: He got hurt I think after the fourth game, but
Speaker 1: he was playing pass rusher, he was playing defensive end linebacker.
Speaker 1: He had about five sacks, ain't a half tackles for loss.
Speaker 1: He runs sub four or five at two hundred and
Speaker 1: fifty pounds. He's got an eleven foot broad jump, a
Speaker 1: forty inch vertical. I don't know about you, guys. I
Speaker 1: like my fullbacks built that way. And I think this
Speaker 1: kid is going to be a weapon in the mold
Speaker 1: of Kyle Houscheck. And I'll tell you what. He might
Speaker 1: not even get drafted, but he is going to make
Speaker 1: an impact at the NFL level. He is on the
Speaker 1: Bruce Feldman's Freak list, and he made a name for
Speaker 1: himself one of these All Star games. I think it
Speaker 1: was the Shrine Bowl where he's coming out now as
Speaker 1: a fullback. So it's a it's a tricky position, right
Speaker 1: because you've now eliminated yourself from half the team half
Speaker 1: the teams in the NFL Bowl. But man, this kid
Speaker 1: is the real deal. Derek Harrish out of Houston, love it. Rick.
Speaker 1: It's always a highlight of the offseason talking to you. Man.
Speaker 1: You said you're a Manhattan Beach riesleague. Next time you're
Speaker 1: a Manhattan Beach you gotta hit a sub up. But
Speaker 1: we'll get you out of here. I'm just promoting what
Speaker 1: you have going on with everything at SI. No. I
Speaker 1: appreciate that, guys. I mean, like I mentioned our twenty
Speaker 1: first year of coverage, we're fortunate enough to be the
Speaker 1: NFL Draft content provider over on Sports Illustrated, so we're
Speaker 1: not hard to find. And of course we have the
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Speaker 1: guys will certainly be receiving a VIP package. Appreciate its.
Speaker 1: Appreciate you, Rick. We'll take a quick break in money
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Speaker 1: with on Location So Money. Kicking off our draft coverage
Speaker 1: with Rick Sarahtella. Rick's great, always fun, love it. You know,
Speaker 1: Draft season, it's hope springs eternal. Right when you don't
Speaker 1: win the Super Bowl this time of year, you start
Speaker 1: thinking about how you're gonna win the Super Bowl and
Speaker 1: what positions you can fill through the draft. And look,
Speaker 1: we saw how important the draft was. You know, what's
Speaker 1: the what's the quote from Tom to Lasco. He saved
Speaker 1: our season. You know, Jamari saw your sixth round pick.
Speaker 1: He saved our season. You know, without him at left
Speaker 1: tackle after Rashaan Slater left in Week three, they are
Speaker 1: not in the playoffs. I know it did not end
Speaker 1: the way that we wanted it to end, the way
Speaker 1: the players, the coaches, the front office wanted it to end,
Speaker 1: the owners, the fans wanted it to end. But you
Speaker 1: don't have a ten win season, you know, you don't
Speaker 1: have a twenty seven zero lead in the first half.
Speaker 1: And obviously, look, Jamari got hurt in that game, you know,
Speaker 1: and that that cannot be overlooked. So I get why
Speaker 1: fans get so excited about the draft about young players.
Speaker 1: You know, Dean Leonard, you know, and Jessire Taylor you know,
Speaker 1: helped with a win over Denver to get to that
Speaker 1: ten number, you know, and get the number one wild
Speaker 1: card spy like it's it's an important deal. And obviously
Speaker 1: you already talked about Zion, so we know how important
Speaker 1: the draft is. I think it's a real interesting year
Speaker 1: for the Chargers. I know, probably next week we'll get
Speaker 1: into it post super Bowl, just you know what what
Speaker 1: the roster is going to look like, what money looks like,
Speaker 1: extensions look like, and how you juggle this cap, because
Speaker 1: there's a number of different ways to do it, you know,
Speaker 1: in terms of converting salary to signing bonus, trading players,
Speaker 1: cutting players post June first designations versus pre all that
Speaker 1: stuff's going to come into play because they spent a
Speaker 1: lot of money last year to take a swing they
Speaker 1: thought they had the roster, and God love them for
Speaker 1: doing it, you know, and spending a couple hundred million
Speaker 1: dollars in free agent contracts, And this year they're gonna
Speaker 1: have to do that for Justin Herbert, you know, and
Speaker 1: that's going to change the calculus dramatically. So, you know,
Speaker 1: getting Rick on and I'm sure we'll get our man
Speaker 1: dj on, and there's a number of other folks that
Speaker 1: we could talk to, you know, between now and the
Speaker 1: draft at the end of April that are going to
Speaker 1: certainly get the folks excited about twenty twenty three. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's a great point because the next couple of
Speaker 1: weeks we'll see what the roster looks like, and then
Speaker 1: free agency will dictate what they may do in the draft.
Speaker 1: So still a ways to go before we get to April,
Speaker 1: but never too early to talk about the NFL Draft. Hey,
Speaker 1: this just popped in my head. Dude, you called one
Speaker 1: of the best college basketball games of the year in Indiana.
Speaker 1: What was that experience? Like, that's incredible, It's unbelievable. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was at Assembly Hall in Bloomington two hundred and
Speaker 1: sixteenth meeting between the Who's Years and boiler Makers. You know,
Speaker 1: it's one of the great I know, everybody knows, you know, Duke,
Speaker 1: North Carolina, Kentucky, Louisville, all those sort of things. But
Speaker 1: this is probably one of the most overlooked rivalries in
Speaker 1: college basketball because look, in fairness, you know, Purdue in
Speaker 1: Indiana have not made championship runs in the last thirty years.
Speaker 1: You know, it's been a while since they found themselves
Speaker 1: in the final four. So they are two really, really
Speaker 1: good teams. Indiana was the preseason pick to win the
Speaker 1: Big Ten. They had some big injuries. Xavier Johnson, Race
Speaker 1: Thompson both went down to their veteran leaders and they're
Speaker 1: getting healthy now. And so for those that don't follow
Speaker 1: college basketball, Zachid is just, you know, one of the
Speaker 1: great You gotta watch Purdue basketball. He's seven foot four.
Speaker 1: He's athletic, he's unstoppable, like teams just cannot stop him.
Speaker 1: And it's fun to watch. So, you know, twenty two
Speaker 1: and one, they're only lost coming at a buzzer beater
Speaker 1: by Rutgers, you know, at one point loss. Otherwise they'd
Speaker 1: have been perfect going into that game at Assembly Hall,
Speaker 1: and Indiana gets out with a win. They led by fifteen,
Speaker 1: Perdue cut it down to two with three minutes left,
Speaker 1: and then Hoosiers pulled away, and you know, fans rushed
Speaker 1: the court and all that sort of stuff. It was
Speaker 1: really cool to be in the building be part of it.
Speaker 1: And lucky enough, you know, I was assigned the rematch.
Speaker 1: So I'll be going back to Mackie in a couple
Speaker 1: of weeks for the Indiana at Purdue rematch, the two
Speaker 1: hundred and seventeenth meeting between the two teams. And by
Speaker 1: the way, I just want to make sure I'm not
Speaker 1: left out. I got it right here. My Microsoft surface
Speaker 1: goes with me when I hit the road. I love
Speaker 1: this thing. I know we're sponsored by him and stuff,
Speaker 1: and it's great, but I would not sing its praises
Speaker 1: if I did not believe in it. I absolutely love it.
Speaker 1: It's my stat monitor when we're on the road. They
Speaker 1: have a thing called tabs that I use extensively where
Speaker 1: I can pop back and forth between all my stats
Speaker 1: for the different teams. When I want to dig something up.
Speaker 1: It's so easy to access with the search tools. It's
Speaker 1: just such an awesome piece of technology. That really is.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's essential to everything I do during the
Speaker 1: Charger games. It's always in front of me. I love
Speaker 1: the way it's set up. And now with with college
Speaker 1: basketball season happening, it goes everywhere I go. You got
Speaker 1: a Charger's logo at Assembly Hall, They're like, Okay, I
Speaker 1: know that's the voice of the Chargers. It's funny and
Speaker 1: it's and it's actually happened. When I pop it up,
Speaker 1: they look at it and they're like, what's out all about?
Speaker 1: And then they start talking to be like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: I know you are. So it's kind of funny. That's awesome.
Speaker 1: All right, Super Bowl? If you look at this game
Speaker 1: through Chargers glasses, right, Chiefs Eagles. I go back to
Speaker 1: last year, Chargers go on the road, they beat the Chiefs.
Speaker 1: They go on the road, they beat the Eagles. Obviously
Speaker 1: played the Chiefs twice this year, lost by a field
Speaker 1: goal in both games. These are the two best teams
Speaker 1: in football money, the number one seed in each conference,
Speaker 1: both had home field, both protected it, and we have
Speaker 1: quite the matchup. Man. Both teams have been awesome this year,
Speaker 1: and I really I don't know what to expect. I
Speaker 1: could see both teams winning this. Yeah, you know, it's
Speaker 1: I wish we had both quarterbacks one hundred percent. I
Speaker 1: think it's clear that both are hurting. You know, you
Speaker 1: could see the way Patrick Mahomes moved in the championship
Speaker 1: game that he was not right clearly. And you can
Speaker 1: see the way that Jalen hurts through the ball in
Speaker 1: the in the conference championship that he's not right. So
Speaker 1: you know, I think that's going to play a big
Speaker 1: role in the way the game plays out. You know,
Speaker 1: is Jalen hurt shoulder healed? Because you know, it just
Speaker 1: seemed like the accuracy was off and it's been there
Speaker 1: all year, certain, you know, and same thing with Patrick
Speaker 1: Mahomes to me, like you look at it, and if
Speaker 1: games you know, are one on the lines, the Eagles
Speaker 1: have the advantage. They have the better offensive line, they
Speaker 1: have the better defensive line. If Patrick Mahomes is not
Speaker 1: right and he can't move, and you've got that front.
Speaker 1: I mean, just you're talking about seventy sacks in the
Speaker 1: regular season, seventy five players with double digit sacks, and
Speaker 1: you see Brandon Graham, Fletcher Cox, Javon Hargrave, Josh Sweat,
Speaker 1: I mean, Hassan Reddick. It's crazy what they throw at
Speaker 1: you up front. So like to me, and look, like
Speaker 1: we said earlier, Chris Jones, you can make a compelling
Speaker 1: case he's defensive player of the Year. I mean, that's
Speaker 1: that's why the Chiefs won the conference championship, you know,
Speaker 1: because of what Chris Jones was able to do to
Speaker 1: that front offensive line wise. You know, it's just my
Speaker 1: lot of what he's been able to do after just
Speaker 1: starting playing, you know, from you know, from down under
Speaker 1: to coming here and just figuring out football and how
Speaker 1: he's become a dominant force at one tackle, perhaps the
Speaker 1: best center in the league in Jason Kelsey certainly the
Speaker 1: leader of that line, Lane Johnson at right tackle, maybe
Speaker 1: the best right tackle in football. Like that's just to me,
Speaker 1: that's so much to overcome for the Chiefs. But Patrick Mahomes,
Speaker 1: I mean, that's like to me, that's why you pick
Speaker 1: the Chiefs. You're just like, I'm not picking against Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 1: I'm just not going to do it. So I think
Speaker 1: the key is gonna be turned over as Jalen Hurts
Speaker 1: only lost fol in game this year was the Commanders,
Speaker 1: I believe, on a Monday night, and I think they
Speaker 1: had like four turnovers in that game. They've been so
Speaker 1: good at taking care of the ball. So if they
Speaker 1: take Carol the football, I think the odds of the
Speaker 1: Eagles winning the game goes up. But what struck me
Speaker 1: funny was I don't know if he saw Brandon Iyuk's
Speaker 1: comments about the Chiefs and the Eagles. He said that
Speaker 1: if he was a betting man, he goes I'm not
Speaker 1: a betting man, but I would put everything that I
Speaker 1: own on the Chiefs to beat the Eagles. And I
Speaker 1: know that the Chiefs beat up the Niners pretty good
Speaker 1: earlier in the year. And I don't know if Brandon
Speaker 1: has a little sour grace because he didn't have a
Speaker 1: quarterback in the NFC Championship game, But that that just
Speaker 1: kind of struck me because the Chiefs, you talk about
Speaker 1: all the depth and all those players that the Eagles
Speaker 1: have on both sides of the ball. But we talk
Speaker 1: about the impact players on the Chiefs, a guy like
Speaker 1: Chris Jones, Patrick Mahons, obviously Travis Kelsey. Those are the
Speaker 1: guys that win you games on the biggest stage. So
Speaker 1: that's what I think is fascinating. You have players in
Speaker 1: the league saying that, oh man, the Chiefs are gonna
Speaker 1: be beat the Eagles, no problem, and then you have
Speaker 1: all the evidence what the Eagles have done this year
Speaker 1: and how good Jalen Hurts has played. Um, that's why
Speaker 1: I'm kind of at a loss at this point. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think, Look, I think there have been concerns on
Speaker 1: the secondary for the Eagles all season. I use a
Speaker 1: wide receiver, so yeah, I think there's some sour grapes there.
Speaker 1: Perhaps he's beating his guy and he's just there's nothing,
Speaker 1: there's nothing there. You know, we can't get you know,
Speaker 1: we can't get anything out to him because of the injuries.
Speaker 1: So you know, I think there's a level of a
Speaker 1: frustration there. You know. You look at I'm trying to
Speaker 1: find the numbers, but I don't see, like I don't
Speaker 1: remember the Eagles. Yeah, they only gave up twenty two
Speaker 1: passing touchdowns. But I think, like if I remember right, um,
Speaker 1: the the Chiefs had a serious issue. Let me see
Speaker 1: where is it the Chiefs? You see, the Chiefs were
Speaker 1: really That's what it is. So the Chiefs were really
Speaker 1: good defensively against the run, only ten rushing touchdowns allowed.
Speaker 1: So I think that's perhaps where it comes into play.
Speaker 1: You know, San Francisco is a run heavy team. Everything
Speaker 1: comes off those designed runs from Kyle Shanahan. And when
Speaker 1: the Chiefs run, defense stymies you and it's very hard
Speaker 1: for you to get anything going. That's where I think
Speaker 1: maybe Iyuk is coming from, like, oh I saw this
Speaker 1: I run. The defense was really good to me. Again,
Speaker 1: I just think it comes down to quarterback health. If
Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes is not right, I don't quite see how
Speaker 1: he's able to get to get out of those you know,
Speaker 1: to get away from that pass rush. And I think
Speaker 1: that impacts things dramatically. I think there's a reason why
Speaker 1: the line is so is one and a half. You know,
Speaker 1: it's a pick um contest. Do you believe in the lines?
Speaker 1: Do you believe in the quarterback? And you know, because
Speaker 1: because Jalen's been banged up and his shoulders not quite right.
Speaker 1: I think that's you know, where the potential MVP of
Speaker 1: the I mean, these are the two this is probably
Speaker 1: these are the two guys. They're gonna finish one and
Speaker 1: two in the MVP race. You know, Mahomes probably gonna
Speaker 1: win it and Jalen Hurts because he missed those couple games.
Speaker 1: It's probably gonna finish a second or I don't think
Speaker 1: it would surprise many people if he did win it,
Speaker 1: because it shows you what happens to that Eagle's offense
Speaker 1: when he's not there. So if I had depict it's
Speaker 1: we've seen it. We see it too many times. Chris.
Speaker 1: It's like you have them dead the rights and somehow,
Speaker 1: some way, and whether you want to say it's fair
Speaker 1: or not, you know, you see the hold, you know
Speaker 1: in the in the game, you know that that led
Speaker 1: to the conversion that set up the game winning field goal,
Speaker 1: or the that led to the run that led to
Speaker 1: the penalty that led to the game winning field goal.
Speaker 1: It just seems like things break right for that team,
Speaker 1: you know, they just they always do. And if it's
Speaker 1: a flag that's not thrown on a hold, if it's
Speaker 1: a player making a critical error and I'm not saying
Speaker 1: it wasn't a penalty. It absolutely was a penalty on
Speaker 1: a side, you know, on the sideline. But just those
Speaker 1: things just happen to the Chiefs with Patrick Bohomes. It's
Speaker 1: the craziest thing, but they do so. I think in
Speaker 1: a tight contest, i'd be apt. Yeah. But see then
Speaker 1: I say it, and then I just I just think
Speaker 1: their offensive line stinks. I just do. I think he
Speaker 1: can't really say it money, like you can't, you don't
Speaker 1: you don't want to say it, right, No, I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't because they beat the Chargers twice and it
Speaker 1: and it hurts and it stings. But I just, man,
Speaker 1: I see how much they hold and get away with it.
Speaker 1: And then I listen to freaking Mitchell Schwartz on podcasts
Speaker 1: saying things like, well, technically it's not a hold because
Speaker 1: if you if you've engaged and you have your arm
Speaker 1: bar hour as long as you and your feet, it's
Speaker 1: not a whole shut up. I don't want to hear that.
Speaker 1: It's like he's he's got his arm around a guy's
Speaker 1: neck and he's impeding his forward progress. I don't care
Speaker 1: what his feet are doing at that point. You know,
Speaker 1: and look, it's ridiculous for me to say that, you know,
Speaker 1: versus a Pro Bowl offensive lineman. But the film's there.
Speaker 1: I mean, come on, it's and it had and I
Speaker 1: see it when I go back and watch the Charger
Speaker 1: games and Joey Bosa getting held on every single play
Speaker 1: and Orlando Brown holding on every single play because his
Speaker 1: feet are slow. It's just, um, I think they're you
Speaker 1: know what, I'll take the Eagles. I think they're gonna struggle.
Speaker 1: I think they're because you've got it inside with Hargrave
Speaker 1: and and Cox, You've got it outside with Reddick and
Speaker 1: Sweat and Graham. So I do think that defensive line
Speaker 1: is going to be able to do some serious damage. Yeah. Whatever,
Speaker 1: I'll take the Eagles. I'm taking I'm taking the Eagles too.
Speaker 1: We talked about this a couple of weeks ago. Just
Speaker 1: the way that their offense is constructed. If they need
Speaker 1: to run the ball, they got the horses to run
Speaker 1: the ball. If they need to throw the ball, they
Speaker 1: got weapons up and down the field, led by Goddard
Speaker 1: and A. J. Brown and DeVante Smith. Jalen Hurts has
Speaker 1: been more accurate as a passer this year. I think
Speaker 1: that they can play a number of different ways. And
Speaker 1: you know, there's there's a ton of former Chargers in
Speaker 1: this game too, money, So start on the Eagles side.
Speaker 1: You've got Shane Steikin as the OC. You got Nick Sirianni,
Speaker 1: who obviously was, yeah, the wide receiver's coach, Um Kaisier White, Lindvall, Joseph,
Speaker 1: you got Melvin Gordon and Cole Christensen on the practice
Speaker 1: squad of the Chiefs. So there's a lot of bolts
Speaker 1: in this game, yeah, no doubt, And I think maybe
Speaker 1: that's also part of it. You know, I like and
Speaker 1: Nick so much. You know, got to know Shane quite
Speaker 1: well during his time here. Got to a little bit
Speaker 1: because he and Nick Hardwick when he was here his
Speaker 1: first season, were super close, so I was able to
Speaker 1: get to know Nick. I actually saw both of them
Speaker 1: last year at the combine. We ended up hanging out
Speaker 1: one night out drinking and having a good time and
Speaker 1: just kind of catching up with them, and it was
Speaker 1: really cool to talk, you know, a little bit of
Speaker 1: football with Shane and just listen to how excited he
Speaker 1: was about the upcoming season, you know, and that was
Speaker 1: before they traded for a j. Brown, But just kind
Speaker 1: of chatting with him about how things were going. So
Speaker 1: maybe that's where my bias is creeping in. You know,
Speaker 1: just really loving to see what would love to see
Speaker 1: those two guys, you know, get a Super Bowl ring,
Speaker 1: as much as I appreciated them when they were here
Speaker 1: with the Charger, as much as I like him as people,
Speaker 1: and plus I just don't I don't know how you
Speaker 1: can't root for Jalen Hurts like he is one of
Speaker 1: the easiest, one of the easiest players to want to
Speaker 1: see do well his work ethic, the way he handled
Speaker 1: his demotion at Alabama, not missing a beat, transfer in Oklahoma,
Speaker 1: being in the Heisman conversation, you know, not whining about
Speaker 1: slipping out of the first round, of being a second
Speaker 1: round pick despite his resume and what he was able
Speaker 1: to do in college, and you know, just could not
Speaker 1: be more excited for him as well. So maybe there's
Speaker 1: a little bit of a little bit of a bias
Speaker 1: and a little bit of a being interest there. It's
Speaker 1: fine though, you know. Kaiser White was one of my
Speaker 1: favorite guys on the Chargers last year. Just just a
Speaker 1: great dude off the field. He produced at a high
Speaker 1: level for the Chargers last year. Produced at a high
Speaker 1: level for the Eagles this year, and it was kind
Speaker 1: of a homecoming for him to go back to Philly.
Speaker 1: He's from that area, went to West Virginia. So I'd
Speaker 1: like to see Kaiser get a ring because you know,
Speaker 1: he's had a heck of a year for the Eagles
Speaker 1: and deserves it. So we're both going with Philly. Huh.
Speaker 1: You know, I say it and I hate it. I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna lie. I feel like I know the Chiefs
Speaker 1: are gonna win. I just did we got a minute? Hey,
Speaker 1: you can amend. You can amend at any time over
Speaker 1: the next minute. Money. Like I said, I that's the
Speaker 1: only reason. Like I think when you look at it
Speaker 1: on paper, there's there's really only one reason to take that.
Speaker 1: There's two reasons to take the Chiefs. It's Patrick Mahomes
Speaker 1: will not lose. Can you really envision Mahomes go into
Speaker 1: three Super Bowls and only win in one? You know,
Speaker 1: can you really knowing how things just always break their way?
Speaker 1: You know, why would it not happen here? But you know,
Speaker 1: I look at the you know, I look at what
Speaker 1: the Eagles. Look. All the Eagles can do is play
Speaker 1: who's in front of them? And I don't you know,
Speaker 1: I hate the whole Look who they've played all see. Look, okay,
Speaker 1: Brock Purty got knocked out. Josh Johnson's arm fell off
Speaker 1: like I mean, he had a concussion. You know, Brock
Speaker 1: parties are Rock Purty's arm got ripped off like okay,
Speaker 1: But that's just that's what happened in the game, you know.
Speaker 1: So all they can do is play and dominate, and
Speaker 1: they absolutely dominated the Giants offense. Just that defense wrecked
Speaker 1: that Giant's offense that a lot of people thought was
Speaker 1: going to be able to hang in that game. So
Speaker 1: now stick, I'll you know, I'll stick with the with
Speaker 1: the Eagles, know, absolutely, absolutely right, no question in here.
Speaker 1: All right, I'm taking the Eagles. Money's taking the Eagles.
Speaker 1: We're gonna get out of here. Mind. Well, hey, Rick
Speaker 1: was the first guest of the off season. We're gonna
Speaker 1: keep getting guests on, talking draft, talking free agency. So
Speaker 1: look forward to keeping this rolling on Thursdays. Thank you
Speaker 1: to Microsoft Surface for money. I'm Chris. This has been
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