Speaker 1: Hey, what is up everybody? Welcome to the Guiltiest Charge Podcast,
Speaker 1: presented by the Chargers Podcast Network. My name is Stephen
Speaker 1: and I am your host, and joining me as always
Speaker 1: is my guy Tyler or Tyler. What's up man? How
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Speaker 1: No, not too red in the face. You know, it
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Speaker 1: nice day, so can't complain. All right, So we have
Speaker 1: a fun show plan for you guys today. We've done
Speaker 1: a lot of kind of checking in with the Chargers
Speaker 1: roster in terms of like what do they have, who
Speaker 1: ranks where, and things like that. Today we're going to
Speaker 1: talk about some potential additions that the Chargers could potentially
Speaker 1: make to maybe put a bow on their roster, some
Speaker 1: very notable names that have recently been released. And then
Speaker 1: we'll also talk about some potential trade candidates for the Chargers.
Speaker 1: So good show today, just kind of assessing, you know,
Speaker 1: maybe feeling like the Charger are one piece away in
Speaker 1: a certain position group. You know, looking long term is
Speaker 1: something I think is very valuable as we head into
Speaker 1: the final months of the offseason.
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Speaker 1: So that being said, Tyler, there's been a lot of
Speaker 1: talk on social media about the Chargers potentially adding DeAndre
Speaker 1: Hopkins or Dalvin Cook, who are recently released players. DeAndre Hopkins,
Speaker 1: of course, has kind of begun his free agency tour,
Speaker 1: visiting with the Tennessee Titans this week and the New
Speaker 1: England Patriots coming up here after that, potentially taking other
Speaker 1: visits as well. So let's start with Dalvin Cook, recently
Speaker 1: released from the Minnesota Vikings. Obviously, the Chargers have some
Speaker 1: connections to Dalvin in the form of Eric Kendricks, Ryan Ficken,
Speaker 1: and Jeff Howard. Obviously not like his former position coach
Speaker 1: or anything like that, but you know guys who were
Speaker 1: around him, you know, on the coaching staff, and obviously
Speaker 1: Eric Kendricks one of his former team captains. So what
Speaker 1: would you make of the Chargers potentially being interested in
Speaker 1: mister Dalvin Cook?
Speaker 2: Interested is fine by me and for what it's worth. Also,
Speaker 2: Derwan and James also played with Dalvin Cook at Florida States,
Speaker 2: so there's another connection there. But granted that not on
Speaker 2: the offensive side of the football, I would be okay
Speaker 2: if they were interested in him. Of course, because it's
Speaker 2: almost obvious. Is there a running back behind Austin Eckler
Speaker 2: that is better or is projected to be better, or
Speaker 2: has shown to be better than Dalvin Cook. No, at
Speaker 2: this point, no, there is not. If Joshua Kelly had
Speaker 2: played the entire year last year, we're not having this conversation,
Speaker 2: especially if those stats that he had while he was
Speaker 2: playing so well translated over the course of the year.
Speaker 2: But he didn't play the entire year, and it was
Speaker 2: really his only year of really solid numbers, whereas the
Speaker 2: previous years he was hurt or the numbers weren't great.
Speaker 2: And then this past season he couldn't play the full
Speaker 2: year either, and then Isaiah Spiller, listen, I have all
Speaker 2: the hope in the world for him. I think I
Speaker 2: hope he's fantastic. I hope he's, you know, the next
Speaker 2: Ladanian Tomlinson. But for right now, we don't know anything
Speaker 2: about him. We know a lot more about Dalvin Cook,
Speaker 2: So the Chargers being interested in him in Dalvin Cook
Speaker 2: would make sense, and I'd understand why they would add
Speaker 2: him to the rotation because Kellen Moore has shown that
Speaker 2: he's really solid working with those two running backs. We
Speaker 2: even talked about Ezekiel Elliott previously. Even though he's not
Speaker 2: the guy he once was, you can make him the runner.
Speaker 2: He caught all of you know, negative four passes last season,
Speaker 2: but Austin Echer can go ahead and do that for them. So,
Speaker 2: you know, Kellen Moore can work with these two running
Speaker 2: backs and two guys who touched the football quite a bit.
Speaker 2: With that said, there's the other side of the argument
Speaker 2: that you know, Ted Winn from The Athleteck wrote about,
Speaker 2: you know, is Doalvin Cook washed? And there was real
Speaker 2: there's no like conclusion that he's washed. But you worry about,
Speaker 2: you know, catching the falling sword because Dalvin Cook, you know,
Speaker 2: I don't remember what the numbers were, but in twenty
Speaker 2: twenty he was, you know, top ten at this number,
Speaker 2: and then in twenty twenty one fell into the twenties,
Speaker 2: and in twenty twenty two he fell into the thirties
Speaker 2: and forties. And so I was just digging around looking at,
Speaker 2: you know, the Vikings in general and how they compared
Speaker 2: to the Chargers and what Dovin Cook did last season.
Speaker 2: And the Minnesota Vikings were twenty ninth in rushing EPA
Speaker 2: per play, where the Chargers were fourteenth, which is already
Speaker 2: concerning for if you're trying to go find a running
Speaker 2: back to improve as a rushing unit, because you know,
Speaker 2: Chargers fans, you watched the rushing attack last season, and
Speaker 2: I'm sure it was very frustrating. The Vikings were fifteen
Speaker 2: spots worse in rushing ep APRI play, which is not great.
Speaker 2: They were twenty fifth and rushing success rate where the
Speaker 2: Charges were twentieth. But as it pertains specifically to Doalvin Cook,
Speaker 2: and please go read Ted Win article about that, there's
Speaker 2: more to it than this. But Dobbin Cook was forty
Speaker 2: first out of forty eight eligible NFL runners at negative
Speaker 2: zero point one six rushing yards over expected per attempt
Speaker 2: per Next Gen stats. Now I'm not a mathematician, but
Speaker 2: for rushing yards over expected, you'd like them to have,
Speaker 2: you know, a positive number over expectation, whereas Dobvin Cook
Speaker 2: again was negative zero point one six are r yoe
Speaker 2: for that per attempt, which isn't great. Austin Eckler comparatively
Speaker 2: was nineteenth out of forty eight at zero point four
Speaker 2: to nine rushing yards over expected per attempt, so about
Speaker 2: two thirds of the yard are I guess two feet
Speaker 2: more than what was blocked last season. And listen the Vikings.
Speaker 2: They were eighteenth in run block win rate last season
Speaker 2: according to ESPN, charges were twenty eight then run block
Speaker 2: win rate. So I don't know. Again, if they're interested
Speaker 2: in Dovin Cook, i'd understand. Is he better than the
Speaker 2: other two running backs behind us the neckler? Probably, But
Speaker 2: I am worried about the decline in production per play stats,
Speaker 2: et cetera. And this was you know, I think more
Speaker 2: about contract than anything else. But again, the Vikings were
Speaker 2: twenty ninth and EPA pri play and they cut Dalvin
Speaker 2: Cook again, probably more because of the contract, but still
Speaker 2: that's worrisome. So I'd get it if they signed him,
Speaker 2: and I would completely understand why they didn't.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the cost is worrisome. Like you're talking about his contract.
Speaker 1: I forget which Denver Broncos beat, right. I want to
Speaker 1: say it was Mike cli or Cliss. He was talking
Speaker 1: about how the Broncos are not interested in uh or
Speaker 1: don't appear to be interested in Dalvin Cook because of
Speaker 1: the acquisition costs. So Dalvin Cook is you know, he
Speaker 1: was just cut in the heading into the third year
Speaker 1: of a five year contract for the Minnesota Vikings, like
Speaker 1: he's going to want to recoup as much of that
Speaker 1: value as possible for him. Now, it is totally possible
Speaker 1: that the market for running backs, which has been very
Speaker 1: very unkind to players this offseason, continues to be unfriendly
Speaker 1: for these players. So it's possible that Dalvin Cook does
Speaker 1: not cost as much as he thinks he is worth. Right,
Speaker 1: he might be looking for, you know, north of the
Speaker 1: franchise tag value, which is is a little above ten
Speaker 1: million dollars, But is he really going to get that?
Speaker 1: I have my doubts. So, you know, if Dalvin Cook
Speaker 1: costs you, you know, four million dollars, which is kind
Speaker 1: of a similar deal to like what Jamal Williams received
Speaker 1: this year, then I'm definitely more interested in that kind
Speaker 1: of thing. If he has a great market and this
Speaker 1: turns into a bidding war, then I'm not interested. You know,
Speaker 1: if they're gonna pay him more than Austin Eckler, I'm
Speaker 1: not interested. That's one concern for me. The second concern,
Speaker 1: which is is kind of what you're talking about and
Speaker 1: alluding to here, is where is Dalvin Cook in this
Speaker 1: kind of range of falling off a cliff like, is
Speaker 1: he nowhere close? Is he already starting to fall? Is
Speaker 1: he just about to fall? Where are we at with
Speaker 1: Dalvin Cook in terms of like his you know, fall
Speaker 1: from grace if you will. It sounds like he's had
Speaker 1: had a pretty steady decline over the past three years,
Speaker 1: at least in terms of rushing yards over expected. You know,
Speaker 1: there's a debate of really how efficient and effective Dalvin
Speaker 1: Cook is on a per play basis, And I think
Speaker 1: rushing yards are expected is a good way to show that.
Speaker 1: I think when you look at his pure stats, like
Speaker 1: you see a very productive runner of the football, right.
Speaker 1: I mean you're talking about one of the only players
Speaker 1: to hit over a thousand yards rushing each of the
Speaker 1: last three years. I mean, he's been a Pro Bowl player.
Speaker 1: He's very you know, dynamic from from start to finish,
Speaker 1: and any game can take any kind of carry to
Speaker 1: the house that we've seen. But really, how efficient is
Speaker 1: he on a purplay basis? That's the big debate, and
Speaker 1: to me, that's that's the second concern. To his credit,
Speaker 1: he does ranked pretty favorably in terms of misstackles forced.
Speaker 1: Last year, he was tied for eighth in miss tackles
Speaker 1: force with Tyler l Ger just behind Aaron Jones. And
Speaker 1: then really his best attribute, I would say so far
Speaker 1: in this past season was his explosive run rate. So
Speaker 1: he had again tied for eighth in yards of ten
Speaker 1: plus according to PFF, and that was thirty So that
Speaker 1: was a good amount more than Austin Eckler who had
Speaker 1: twenty one last season. So I think if you are
Speaker 1: gonna pay him a large contract to be your best
Speaker 1: running back, I think you're probably gonna be disappointed. But
Speaker 1: if you can pay him four or five million dollars
Speaker 1: to be your one B or RB two, I think
Speaker 1: that's a world where Dalvin Cook can be a very
Speaker 1: effective player. Still, it's just where does he think he belongs,
Speaker 1: how much does he think he should get paid? And
Speaker 1: that's gonna be a curious thing. So for me, like
Speaker 1: the Chargers, they would be more of like a wait
Speaker 1: and see on Dalvin Cook, Like, let Dalvin Cook go
Speaker 1: try and figure out if he's going to be an
Speaker 1: expensive player market is not good to him, then maybe
Speaker 1: the Chargers kind of enter into that conversation at that point.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I even think in the same vein of as
Speaker 2: Sony Michelle although Dalvin Cook is much more high profile
Speaker 2: and I believe at this point would be a better
Speaker 2: runner than Michelle was last season. Before the season, yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, they could wait and see, because they do
Speaker 2: want to see. How does Isaiah Spiller look? We don't know,
Speaker 2: you know, how did the undracted free agents look? How
Speaker 2: does Larry Roundtree look? How does Joshua Kelly look? And
Speaker 2: I guess to a certain extent, how does Austin Eckler look?
Speaker 2: Although I'm not worried about him, but they are going
Speaker 2: in into this final year of Austin Eckler's contract, and
Speaker 2: so they're wondering, okay, like, you know, where is he at?
Speaker 2: Is he still kind of the same guy? And I
Speaker 2: don't think they're too worried about that, but there's a
Speaker 2: lot of wait and see with him. The other thing
Speaker 2: that I do think that is worth noting for Dalvin
Speaker 2: Cook last year is yards after contact per attempt, where
Speaker 2: he was twelfth in that regard. Eckler was twentieth. Joshu
Speaker 2: Ma Kelly. When Argin interviewed Joshava Kelly said, what's the
Speaker 2: one statistic that running back should use to evaluate whether
Speaker 2: they're good or doing a good job? Or whatever, and
Speaker 2: he and Kelly said yards after contact per attempt. So
Speaker 2: do you want to pay Dobyn Cook twelve eleven million
Speaker 2: dollars a year to be a year after contact guy?
Speaker 2: Not really, but you also alluded to some other things,
Speaker 2: and I believe per tedwins article, he had four touches
Speaker 2: that went for more than forty yards last season. So
Speaker 2: he's not, you know, four yards in a cloud of dust,
Speaker 2: three yards and a cloud of dust kind of guy.
Speaker 2: But he is at least better at contact than anyone
Speaker 2: else in the Charges roster right now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think you know, with Kellen Moore having that,
Speaker 1: you know, experience of the two back system, I think
Speaker 1: Kellen Moore would have a lot of fun in coaching him,
Speaker 1: right and I think you know, they would be able
Speaker 1: to find a role for him. The Chargers are theoretically
Speaker 1: going to be running as a rushing attack and building
Speaker 1: it around outside zone. That's kind of what Kellen Moore
Speaker 1: has done over the last two years with the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: and they've talked a lot about finding what they want
Speaker 1: to major in and that's what the Chargers were best
Speaker 1: at in twenty twenty one. So schematically, there's going to
Speaker 1: be some overlap with what the charters want to do
Speaker 1: and what Dalvin Cook has done in the past with
Speaker 1: the Minnesota Vikings. So I can see this being a
Speaker 1: good fit. I can in terms of like on the field,
Speaker 1: and I can see the vision of like what they
Speaker 1: would beginning with Dalvin Cook and how that would help,
Speaker 1: you know, improve the run game. But it's just like
Speaker 1: I said, I'm maybe kind of waiting and seeing in
Speaker 1: terms of the costs. I'm not rushing in there and
Speaker 1: super interested in paying Domin Cook, you know, over ten
Speaker 1: million dollars or eight million dollars even I think it
Speaker 1: has to come down significantly for me to be more
Speaker 1: interested than I am right now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he would be solid, but he's also in
Speaker 2: this cluster of guys who have been in the league
Speaker 2: for maybe three years, four years, seven years, et cetera.
Speaker 2: Ezekiel Elliott, James Robinson was just released. I think that
Speaker 2: they don't have to go rushing. It's not like Dalvin Cook,
Speaker 2: at least statistically, is so significantly better than those guys
Speaker 2: that he's like the prized guy of that group. Act.
Speaker 2: He could be the best of the group, but I
Speaker 2: don't think he's significantly better that you have to go
Speaker 2: out and get him. In your eyes, looking at Robinson
Speaker 2: looking at Zeke, looking at Cook, would the Chargers prioritize
Speaker 2: Cook over Zeke. Let's really just talk about those two,
Speaker 2: or do you think Zeke is the person that they
Speaker 2: would actually wait for and go get him instead.
Speaker 1: I think it would be Zeke because Zeke is gonna
Speaker 1: be cheaper. I think maybe you could throw Leonard Fournette
Speaker 1: in this conversation. But Zeke is really great at the
Speaker 1: things that these Chargers backs kind of struggle at, and
Speaker 1: that's you know, effectiveness in short yarded situations, which is
Speaker 1: not something that you like, really pay a hefty penny
Speaker 1: for at this point in time. But Zeke was one
Speaker 1: of the best running backs in terms of rushing yards
Speaker 1: that were expected in goal to go situations, in third
Speaker 1: and short, fourth and fourth and short situations last year.
Speaker 1: And then also you watch him in past protection and
Speaker 1: he might be the best pass protecting running back in
Speaker 1: the league. I think Austin Eichler is in that same
Speaker 1: kind of conversation as well, so I would I would
Speaker 1: be more interested in Zeke because I think that takes
Speaker 1: one thing away from Austin Eckler that he shouldn't be doing. Like,
Speaker 1: I don't want Austin Eckler pass protecting. I want him
Speaker 1: running routes, you know. And so getting Zeke in there
Speaker 1: to be a past protector, getting him in there to
Speaker 1: be a surefire short gardage back, I think that helps
Speaker 1: alleviate some of the pressure off of Austin Eckler. I
Speaker 1: still think you'd be able to find a role for
Speaker 1: Joshua Kelly or Isaiah Spiller in that regard too, because
Speaker 1: those guys are not super effective in shortyardage situations, at
Speaker 1: least that we've seen so far, and pass protection is
Speaker 1: a concern for both of them, although I think Joshua
Speaker 1: Kelly has certainly taken some strides in that regard. So
Speaker 1: I think Zeke is a much cleaner fit in terms
Speaker 1: of complimenting the room that they have. Obviously, if you're
Speaker 1: signing Dalvin Cook, you're saying, hey, like, we don't buy
Speaker 1: Joshua Kelly or Isaiah Spiller as RB two. We're gonna
Speaker 1: go with the Dalvin Cook and have that two headed
Speaker 1: monster approach. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I could definitely see them doing that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, So let's let's talk about DeAndre Hopkins
Speaker 1: next again, somebody that was his former team was trying
Speaker 1: to trade for most of the offseason. They were not
Speaker 1: able to get that deal done, obviously ultimately deciding to
Speaker 1: cut him. And so mister DeAndre Hopkins is currently on
Speaker 1: the free agent market. Like I mentioned, visiting the Tennessee
Speaker 1: Titans New England Patriots this week, somebody that a lot
Speaker 1: of Chargers fans are iffy on because of how much
Speaker 1: this is going to cost. Because he is going to
Speaker 1: command top dollar. This is different than Dalvin Cook. I
Speaker 1: think DeAndre Hopkins is looking for more money than Odell
Speaker 1: Beckham Junior got somebody who we haven't seen play since
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl of twenty twenty one when he was
Speaker 1: with the Rams. He got fifteen million dollars guaranteed up
Speaker 1: to eighteen million dollars of total value. So DeAndre Hopkins
Speaker 1: is looking for more than that contract. Tyler, do you
Speaker 1: think the Chargers would be interested in doing that?
Speaker 2: No, based on contract alone, that's less feasible than like
Speaker 2: Dalvin Cook. For example, unless Cook wants something ridiculous we
Speaker 2: don't know about, it's not going to happen. You can't
Speaker 2: have two twenty million dollar wide receivers. And then go
Speaker 2: pay another guy above ten million dollars. Again, not that
Speaker 2: paying another running back twelve million dollars is better. I
Speaker 2: just don't see them giving the money to DeAndre Hopkins
Speaker 2: that he probably wants and probably deserves, you know, I
Speaker 2: think in terms of like a one two year deal whatever.
Speaker 2: But really what it comes down to is this receiving core.
Speaker 2: Is DeAndre Hopkins a better receiver than Quentin Johnson?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 2: He is right now until we see otherwise from Quentin Johnson,
Speaker 2: who has not played. Hopefully, that doesn't make me canceled
Speaker 2: among Chargers fans. But you know, cause listen, I'm really
Speaker 2: excited about Quentin Johnson. We haven't seen him play yet.
Speaker 2: So in terms of individual individual individual, yes, Hopkins would
Speaker 2: be the better wide receiver three, There's no doubt about that.
Speaker 2: The question really becomes would he make it a better
Speaker 2: receiving corps and a group overall? I don't know, because
Speaker 2: he Quentin Johnson. We've talked about this as soon as
Speaker 2: they drafted him our first episode on here. Quentin Johnson
Speaker 2: is uniquely, if nothing else, excellent after the catch plays, mistackles, forced, etc.
Speaker 2: And that is something that Hopkins is not as great
Speaker 2: at He's great at plenty of other things. Right, he
Speaker 2: was eighteenth and yards per run last year. That's probably
Speaker 2: better than Quentin Johnson could be this year. I believe
Speaker 2: that was better than Mike Williams last year. But DeAndre
Speaker 2: Hopkins was also out of eighty wide receivers seventieth in
Speaker 2: yards after the catch per perception. Now, granted, I'm projecting
Speaker 2: based off Quentin Johnson going to the NFL. We have
Speaker 2: not seen him yet, but I do feel like what
Speaker 2: Quentin Johnson can do as that wide receiver three is
Speaker 2: a better fit for this team for the Chargers right now,
Speaker 2: especially with someone like Mike Williams and with Keenan Allen.
Speaker 2: If they didn't have Mike Williams, the whole different discussion.
Speaker 2: But they have a certain body type and wide receiver
Speaker 2: type with Mike Williams and with Keenan Allen, and with
Speaker 2: Quinton Johnson, and of course the rest of their receiving corps.
Speaker 2: They all compliment each other so well, Hopkins would be
Speaker 2: the better wide receiver three in terms of individual but
Speaker 2: I think that someone like Quinton Johnson, who, by the way,
Speaker 2: they just dropped in the first round, so they're good
Speaker 2: like this isn't happening. But they want someone like Quinton
Speaker 2: Johnson out there who can compliment the receiving corp better.
Speaker 2: That's why they went and got him. So Hopkins, he's
Speaker 2: a he was a great player. He's probably still a
Speaker 2: good player. He'll probably do really well somewhere else. But
Speaker 2: the money ain't it, and I don't think he fits
Speaker 2: the three man rotation that the Chargers want.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the word compliment there is really the key because stylistically,
Speaker 1: again not comparing these two players, but stylistically, DeAndre Hopkins
Speaker 1: and Mike Williams do the same thing. They they're big
Speaker 1: bodied X receivers, contested catch kings. You know, I think
Speaker 1: DeAndre Hopkins is obviously proven to be a much better
Speaker 1: wide receiver. I mean, he's one of the best of
Speaker 1: our generation, right, you know, he's one of the best
Speaker 1: players of the last ten years in the NFL. You know,
Speaker 1: after his suspension last he was let me make sure
Speaker 1: I get this right. He was seventh in the league
Speaker 1: in targets. He had ninety three targets, sixty four catches,
Speaker 1: seven hundred and seventeen yards, so he was averaging a
Speaker 1: career low eleven point two yards per reception last year
Speaker 1: you only had three touchdowns, which is a bit of
Speaker 1: surprise but probably more of an indictment of the actual
Speaker 1: Cardinals offense last season. But stylistically, he does the same
Speaker 1: thing that Mike Williams does. He runs go balls, he
Speaker 1: runs posts, he runs slants. He's a big body, contested
Speaker 1: catch player. So I don't want more of those. I
Speaker 1: don't think we need another jump ball guy. I'm cool
Speaker 1: with Mike Williams in that regard, and I think Josh
Speaker 1: Palmer has shown that he can do that as well.
Speaker 1: Qwenton Johnson is able to do that, so I understand
Speaker 1: why people would be interested in him. He's a great player, right,
Speaker 1: And he apparently really likes Justin Herbert and would love
Speaker 1: catching passes from him, which I don't blame him. I
Speaker 1: think Justin Herbert is a fantastic quarterback. Right. So it's
Speaker 1: a fun conversation to talk about imagining Keenan Allen, DeAndre Hopkins,
Speaker 1: Mike Williams, and Quinton Johnston. Like, that's a fantastic wide
Speaker 1: receiver quartet for sure, But I'm just not sure how
Speaker 1: feasible this is in terms of the cap sheet. And
Speaker 1: also just like you're talking about the on field fit
Speaker 1: isn't as clean as Dalvin Cook. For Dalvin Cook, we
Speaker 1: can under we could understand what the vision would be,
Speaker 1: their schematic, familiarity, he compliments the room very very well.
Speaker 1: With DeAndre Hopkins, It's just not a clean fit. It's
Speaker 1: kind of you know, square hole, round peg kind of
Speaker 1: situation where you're just trying to force in a really
Speaker 1: talented player, one of the best of this generation, into
Speaker 1: a room, into an offense that just might not be
Speaker 1: the best fit for him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think he's come out and said, look,
Speaker 2: it's it's not about money. I do want to go
Speaker 2: to a contender and win. If that were the case,
Speaker 2: I don't think I would have visited the Titans on
Speaker 2: the Patriots first. And if it were about winning and
Speaker 2: not the money, he would have signed with the Chiefs
Speaker 2: for eight hundred thousand dollars, which is not going to
Speaker 2: happen either, at least I hope it doesn't. But yeah,
Speaker 2: good player, great player from you know the last was
Speaker 2: it nine ten years whatever? It is just not the
Speaker 2: different timings, different timings for this organization for Hopkins.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is you know, next year when the charters
Speaker 1: might have to make a decision on Mike Williams and
Speaker 1: Keenan Allen, you know, and they need, you know, a
Speaker 1: veteran receiver to fill that Mike Williams role. At that point,
Speaker 1: I could understand a DeAndre Hopkins signing, you know, he
Speaker 1: would be another year older obviously, but very curious to
Speaker 1: see where he does end up because he's saying all
Speaker 1: the right things in terms of I want to go
Speaker 1: win a Super Bowl, I want to contend, and then
Speaker 1: also saying that he wants over eighteen million dollars in
Speaker 1: visiting the Titans and the Patriots. So just a bit
Speaker 1: of a head scratcher.
Speaker 2: There, Yeah, it's a little bit.
Speaker 1: Wish him the best, yes, one hundred percent. I think
Speaker 1: it's very cool that he likes Justin Herbert so much.
Speaker 1: Definitely think that's cool. All right, So Tyler and I
Speaker 1: have brought up a couple of names here, or prepared
Speaker 1: a couple names to look at some potential trade targets
Speaker 1: for the Chargers as well. Again as we head into
Speaker 1: the late parts of the off season, you know, rounding
Speaker 1: out the roster, adding some pieces. Again, they have one
Speaker 1: roster spot, Avai Wele that can change, but the first
Speaker 1: one that I wanted to bring up is mister Noah Fant,
Speaker 1: somebody that has ties to Brandon Sadie from their time
Speaker 1: in Denver. One of the more intriguing tight ends of
Speaker 1: the last few years. Right. He was a first round
Speaker 1: pick by the Broncos, a part of the Russell Wilson trade,
Speaker 1: a piece that the Seattle Seahawks were at least reportedly
Speaker 1: very excited about. We've talked a lot about the tight
Speaker 1: end room maybe needing one more piece here, Tyler, what
Speaker 1: would you make of potentially trading for Noah Fant.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna throw an audible here, and I would say
Speaker 2: that be the disappointing acquisition from a Seahawks tight end. Oh,
Speaker 2: I'm looking at Kolbe Parkinson on the last year of
Speaker 2: his deal, who likely costs less to trade for, and
Speaker 2: he will not a former first rounder about five and
Speaker 2: a half million dollars cheaper. Graded out better as a
Speaker 2: run blocker, eighth in the NFL as a run not granded.
Speaker 2: Run blocking grades are subjective, but I hey, I haven't
Speaker 2: graded all the blocking tight ends in the NFL, and
Speaker 2: you haven't either, So eighth in the NFL. I had
Speaker 2: a fan at fifty first, he's the third receiving priority
Speaker 2: on his team, so he's priority number three, and in
Speaker 2: certain terms of tight ends, I should say priority number
Speaker 2: three in an offense that just added Jackson Smith and
Speaker 2: Jigba Zach Charboney. Not that he's a target hog, but still,
Speaker 2: but of those three tight ends he's first, and yards
Speaker 2: and reper perception yards after the catch, per perception yards
Speaker 2: per rock run, no drops. His entire career spends behalf
Speaker 2: of snaps in line no offense. I was looking at
Speaker 2: no offense numbers because I wanted to know, like, okay,
Speaker 2: like when you brought him up in my great that
Speaker 2: makes a ton of sense. Another tight end for this
Speaker 2: We've been kind of dying for maybe a true I
Speaker 2: mean really a true number one, or a true number two,
Speaker 2: or even a true number three, and the Chargers have
Speaker 2: a lot of question marks at all three of those spots.
Speaker 2: Fan would settle in somewhere. You know, I think is
Speaker 2: a worst a solid number two. But I just think
Speaker 2: Kobe Parkinson, for his role and his numbers and his
Speaker 2: cost I actually ended up liking him looking at the
Speaker 2: numbers more than someone like Noah Fant.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Kobe Parkinson put on one of the better blocking
Speaker 1: performances of an opposing tight end that I've watched over
Speaker 1: the last three years, and what he did against the
Speaker 1: Chargers last year on tape man is a lot of fun.
Speaker 1: If you're a big fan of blocking tight ends, Kobe
Speaker 1: Parkinson is a guy for you. So I don't hate that.
Speaker 1: I think Kobe Parkinson is would be a solid option again,
Speaker 1: complementing what the Chargers already have. You get him and
Speaker 1: Donald parm as your two blockers, two main blockers. I
Speaker 1: would feel really really good about that. You know, again
Speaker 1: cheaper like you mentioned as well, maybe behind some guys
Speaker 1: that you know that doesn't allow him to show his
Speaker 1: full repertoire as a football player. Will Disley has been
Speaker 1: on the Seahawks forever. They loved that guy, and then
Speaker 1: off they invested a lot in him. You know, he
Speaker 1: was a part of the Russell Wilson trade. So the
Speaker 1: reason I wanted to bring up Noah Fant is not
Speaker 1: so much to compliment the Chargers room, but potentially being
Speaker 1: their long term tight end one. This is something that
Speaker 1: the Chargers have struggled to find in the post Hunter
Speaker 1: Henry era, and you know he wasn't you know, a
Speaker 1: super long term fit either, So Noahfan is interesting to me.
Speaker 1: He actually had his lowest production of his career this
Speaker 1: past year with the Seahawks. He only had sixty five targets,
Speaker 1: which was his lowest since his rookie season, fifty one catches,
Speaker 1: again lowess since his rookie season, and they really kind
Speaker 1: of turned him into a big slot receiver. That was
Speaker 1: not something that he had done previous. But in twenty
Speaker 1: twenty two, his UH slot percentage went skyrocketed up from
Speaker 1: his previous career high. His previous career high it was
Speaker 1: as a rookie in twenty nineteen at twenty seven percent.
Speaker 1: This past season it was forty one point three percent,
Speaker 1: so again that was really like a big difference for him.
Speaker 1: They really kind of condensed his workload. He didn't get
Speaker 1: to run as many deep rats as previously as adat
Speaker 1: was lower, so they really kind of turned him into
Speaker 1: the safety blanket and it turned into his, you know,
Speaker 1: least productive season of his career. It's interesting here because
Speaker 1: they drafted Jackson Smith and Jigboh. You just mentioned that's
Speaker 1: his role. He's he's the slock guy, He's the safety blanket.
Speaker 1: So I'm just curious about, like where the fit is
Speaker 1: in Seattle for Noah fan. You know, the Seahawks have
Speaker 1: never really used a tight end that much, outside of
Speaker 1: like Greg Olsen the one year that he was there.
Speaker 1: It's not been a position that they really priority ties,
Speaker 1: you know, so we've seen them kind of focus more
Speaker 1: on these guys like Will Diesley and Kolbe Parkinson, and
Speaker 1: so I just I don't know if there's a place
Speaker 1: long term for no Offense in Denver. So I would
Speaker 1: be curious to see what he would look like with
Speaker 1: the Chargers. You get him in here, get him in
Speaker 1: his building. He's probably your tight end two this year,
Speaker 1: but maybe he's your long term tight end one. I
Speaker 1: think that's a shot that I would be willing to
Speaker 1: take because tight end is such a hard position to draft.
Speaker 1: We just had the best tight end drafted probably ever
Speaker 1: and the Charges didn't take one, which is fine. I
Speaker 1: totally understand that process, right, but they do need a
Speaker 1: long term tight end, and I would be interested in
Speaker 1: no Offense and his long term potential. You know, this
Speaker 1: is a guy who we saw put up six hundred
Speaker 1: and seventy yards in twenty twenty and twenty twenty one
Speaker 1: with some combination of Drew Locke and others in Denver.
Speaker 1: So I think the talent is there for no offense
Speaker 1: to outproduce what he has put on the field, and
Speaker 1: I think that's a chance the Charters should be at
Speaker 1: least considering right now.
Speaker 2: All right, First off, completely forgot the Greg Olsen played
Speaker 2: for the Seahawks at all, So thank you for that
Speaker 2: blast from two years ago, but still I completely forgot
Speaker 2: about that. A couple of questions then with that, so
Speaker 2: with how he plays and how they used him, and
Speaker 2: maybe that changes of course with a different team and
Speaker 2: Kellen Moore, But how does he fit then in the
Speaker 2: short term with Gerald Everett, who's going to be more
Speaker 2: your slock guy, less in line, and then in terms
Speaker 2: of long term, like, yeah, this is your long term
Speaker 2: fit and your tight end one, which I'd love, don't
Speaker 2: get me wrong, justin Herbert needs a consistent you know,
Speaker 2: for four years, you just know who your tight end
Speaker 2: one is. But can the Chargers pull that off financially?
Speaker 1: Do you think I think they could? Because he's not
Speaker 1: going to be a guy that's going to command top
Speaker 1: dollar with his next contract. You know, he's not put
Speaker 1: up that kind of money. Then again, the Browns paid
Speaker 1: David n Joku, you know, twelve million dollars after his
Speaker 1: career high of like three hundred and fifty yards receiving
Speaker 1: or whatever it was, but no offense coming here. I
Speaker 1: think he would compliment Gerald Everett's skill set really well
Speaker 1: as pass catchers. I would love for Donald Parham to
Speaker 1: be healthy, right and I think he's shown a lot
Speaker 1: of potential, but he does have some injury concern and
Speaker 1: so I think you can get a similar role with
Speaker 1: Noahfense in terms of, you know, working the seams from
Speaker 1: the inline position, gives you some yards after catchability. He's
Speaker 1: able to be a big body in the red zone.
Speaker 1: I think you don't necessarily have to view Everett and
Speaker 1: No Offense in a similar way because Gerald Evert can
Speaker 1: do so much in the slot like that is something
Speaker 1: that Gerald Everett is very comfortable with in excels at.
Speaker 1: That's not really no offense game, or at least it
Speaker 1: wasn't in his first three seasons, So it's just a name.
Speaker 1: I thought that was interesting because his role in Seattle's
Speaker 1: just kind of in question, and his long term fit
Speaker 1: is in question, and it just doesn't really fit like
Speaker 1: their style, but maybe with the Chargers that could be
Speaker 1: really kind of the that they are missing in the
Speaker 1: tight end room and could really kind of, you know,
Speaker 1: stabilize the long term outlook at the position.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I certainly watched that Charger of Seattle game, watch
Speaker 2: Seattle run the football, and I just look at the
Speaker 2: tight ends when I want to have one of those,
Speaker 2: And two of those would be great too, Like they
Speaker 2: just were fantastic. So I would get it, honestly, any
Speaker 2: of these guys I would totally understand.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I do think No Offense is at least like
Speaker 1: a serviceable blocker. I don't think he's as bad as
Speaker 1: his great indicates, but I don't think he's like an
Speaker 1: elite blocker by any means either. M Okay. The other
Speaker 1: one that we wanted to wrap the show up here
Speaker 1: with is a former draftmate of Justin Herbert, and that
Speaker 1: is mister Chase Young. Not a ton of connections there, obviously,
Speaker 1: with Chase Young being a younger player, mostly being in
Speaker 1: Washington for the bulk of his career, actually not mostly
Speaker 1: all of Washington. The Commanders have declined his fifth year option,
Speaker 1: so he's going to be a free agent after this
Speaker 1: upcoming season. They've paid a lot of money to their interior.
Speaker 1: They're kind of doing it backwards. Montes Sweat also a
Speaker 1: free agent. He's playing on his fifth year option this year,
Speaker 1: so the commander is probably only getting to keep one
Speaker 1: of these two guys, so long term outlooking question for
Speaker 1: Chase Young, Tyler, but what would you make and what
Speaker 1: would you think the process is potentially considering Chase Young?
Speaker 2: You have to consider, if you, well, two things, the
Speaker 2: cost or I guess three things, so the cost of it?
Speaker 2: Of course, what is the cost of the acquisition? Will
Speaker 2: they be taking any any of this contract, et cetera.
Speaker 2: And that's something for people smarter than me to discuss
Speaker 2: and figure out. I don't care about that part. Someone
Speaker 2: else have figured it out for me. The next thing is,
Speaker 2: and maybe the biggest thing is that do you feel
Speaker 2: like you're a team and a defense that can take
Speaker 2: Chase Young? A guy who is so talented and you know,
Speaker 2: everyone said you look at Nick Bos like at Joey
Speaker 2: Bo said, well, this Chase Young guy is actually the
Speaker 2: best of the three. Hasn't panned out like that, but
Speaker 2: he had so much talent. Can you take him and
Speaker 2: revitalize his career like you did for a lot of
Speaker 2: guys on your front seven last season. So you know,
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know why Kyle Vannoy's career
Speaker 2: is going to go from this point, but he finished
Speaker 2: out very, very strong. He looked at someone like Austin Johnson.
Speaker 2: He was on his way to having a career year.
Speaker 2: Sebastian Joseph Day had a solid year, though he didn't
Speaker 2: get to see it completely. Morgan Fox had arguably the
Speaker 2: best year of his entire career. So can you take
Speaker 2: someone like Chase Young and do the same for him?
Speaker 2: I think the answer is yes there, and I think
Speaker 2: you also feel good that not just as a pass rusher,
Speaker 2: which is something that they would have to further and develop,
Speaker 2: but he is better as a run defender, at least statistically.
Speaker 2: I can't say I've watched a ton of Washington Commander's film.
Speaker 2: The only time I've really watched them is when Mashaun
Speaker 2: Slater made him disappear, but that he does with everybody
Speaker 2: but twenty seventh and run stop rate out of nine
Speaker 2: hundred and twenty three people third and average up to
Speaker 2: tackle against the run is really solid too, And that's
Speaker 2: easy too.
Speaker 1: Or twenty twenty one.
Speaker 2: It might have been twenty twenty one. I don't know anyway.
Speaker 2: Point is, I do believe that you can, at least,
Speaker 2: if nothing else, take him and Adam to be a
Speaker 2: stronger run defender for your team rather than a pass rusher.
Speaker 2: Is that worth the trade acquisition cost? I'm not sure,
Speaker 2: but I do feel like I would love the Chargers
Speaker 2: to be a team that consistently is able to find
Speaker 2: It's weird to call him this but like a reclamation
Speaker 2: project and he's not really, but take him, maximize him,
Speaker 2: send him out, you know. And Chase Young a former
Speaker 2: first rounder. Everyone knows him and his talent. If he
Speaker 2: has a solid year, you get a heck of a
Speaker 2: compic for him if he's able to maximize that and
Speaker 2: maximize his contract value, which he should. He's a pass
Speaker 2: rusher who is well known, who should be coming off
Speaker 2: of a really strong year and from a hopefully strong defense.
Speaker 2: So I would say yes to this as long as
Speaker 2: the cost to acquire him is fine. I love Tully.
Speaker 2: I think he is going to be awesome, but he
Speaker 2: is very, very young, and we saw last year different
Speaker 2: because this player was a fourth rounder. But Isaiah Spiller,
Speaker 2: you know, was twenty himself, and they've slowly worked him
Speaker 2: into things. And I don't know if that's the same
Speaker 2: for the defensive side of the ball. With Tully two
Speaker 2: below two. I don't believe he's twenty one yet. I
Speaker 2: believe it's be twenty one in a bit. So the
Speaker 2: Chargers might slowly work him and they want they might
Speaker 2: want someone more proven at this point. Chase Hung probably
Speaker 2: very expensive, probably won't take you know, just a seventh
Speaker 2: rounder to go get him. But I can't say no
Speaker 2: to the idea of adding him as long as the
Speaker 2: cost is there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm glad you brought up the reclamation aspect of
Speaker 1: this because I think that is what you're doing with
Speaker 1: with Chase Hung and potentially considering him for trade, because
Speaker 1: you know, this is something that the Rams have done,
Speaker 1: you know, a year and a year on whether it
Speaker 1: was training for Robert Quinn or Tante Fowler or whoever, right,
Speaker 1: and then they get big contracts and then the Chargers
Speaker 1: or the Rams excuse me, get the compis so if
Speaker 1: you're the Commanders, you know, looking at from their perspective,
Speaker 1: what are you potentially getting if you hold on to
Speaker 1: Chase Young? And that compick pans out right. Theoretically, if
Speaker 1: Chase Young hits his ceiling and you can't afford to
Speaker 1: keep him, you're probably talking about a third or a
Speaker 1: fourth round compick in twenty twenty five. If you're considering
Speaker 1: trading him, then maybe you get a fourth or a
Speaker 1: fifth round pick this year. So how do you weigh
Speaker 1: that cost of Well, let's hold on to Chase and
Speaker 1: let's see if he can hit his ceiling in twenty
Speaker 1: twenty three. If he does, we'll get a really nice
Speaker 1: compic out of it in twenty twenty five. Versus, he
Speaker 1: was not having a great season before he got injured,
Speaker 1: before he tore his ACL in twenty twenty two, at
Speaker 1: least as a pass rusher, I mean, it was twenty
Speaker 1: four total pressures, two sacks. According to PFF, his win
Speaker 1: rate was actually higher as a rookie than it was
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty two. So what's the maybe the floor
Speaker 1: of Chase Young. What kind of calm pick does that
Speaker 1: get us in twenty twenty five. Maybe that's a sixth
Speaker 1: or seventh round compick because he's just not able to
Speaker 1: put it all together this year. So if a team
Speaker 1: comes to you and says, hey, like, we'll give you
Speaker 1: a fourth round pick for Chase Young, and then the
Speaker 1: Chargers are able to rehabilitate him, you know, get him
Speaker 1: back up to speed, and then maybe the Chargers get
Speaker 1: a third round compick for him in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 1: So there's a lot of layers there. But for the Chargers,
Speaker 1: I think that's worth it. And also there's a world
Speaker 1: where the Chargers are moving on from Khlumack or Jolie
Speaker 1: Bosa or both after the season. Maybe you keep Chase
Speaker 1: Young and you give him, i don't know, a fifteen
Speaker 1: million dollars per year contract and you're able to work
Speaker 1: that in as opposed to what the Chargers have previously.
Speaker 1: So there's a lot of layers here. But to me,
Speaker 1: this is like, I think the Chargers could use another
Speaker 1: pass rushing body. I don't think it necessarily has to
Speaker 1: be a former first round pick, former number two overall pick,
Speaker 1: but I do I would like to see them at
Speaker 1: least add some competition to the room. Again, I think
Speaker 1: two Lee is going to be great. I think it
Speaker 1: was my pick for most instant impact. But we don't
Speaker 1: know that with certainty. We don't know what we're getting
Speaker 1: out of Chris Frump. We're hoping we get improvement, right,
Speaker 1: but getting some kind of proven production I think would
Speaker 1: be useful for this team and just gives them some flexibility.
Speaker 1: So I like the idea of adding Chaseng to this room.
Speaker 1: I like the idea of maybe he is your long
Speaker 1: term replacement for Khalil Mack. Maybe he is a comp
Speaker 1: pick chance you know, next year. But either way, I
Speaker 1: think this would make sense for the Chargers, And if
Speaker 1: the Commanders are open to dealing him, then I think
Speaker 1: the Charger should be calling.
Speaker 2: What is his current prognosis for the whole ACL to
Speaker 2: actually tour in November?
Speaker 1: So he should be good. He played so yeah, he
Speaker 1: played the last three or four games last season. Let
Speaker 1: me make sure he did. He played sixteen, seventeen, and eighteen.
Speaker 1: He only played thirty snaps in Week sixteen, but he
Speaker 1: played forty seven in Week eighteen, so he should be
Speaker 1: back on track. I mean we're talking about you know,
Speaker 1: by the time the season starts will be almost two
Speaker 1: full years removed from the surgery, so he should be healthy.
Speaker 1: It just kind of, I guess depends where the Commanders
Speaker 1: at are at in terms of is he going to
Speaker 1: be around long term? Are we comfortable with choosing Montes
Speaker 1: Sweat already? Can we afford Montes Sweat? So, you know,
Speaker 1: the Commanders have a big decision here to pick between
Speaker 1: these guys. Maybe let both of them walk. I don't know. So, like,
Speaker 1: if I'm the Commanders, I'm trying to trade Chase Young now.
Speaker 1: And you know, then again, maybe they think they're better
Speaker 1: than they actually are too, So I don't know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, who knows. Was Ron Rivera there when they drafted him?
Speaker 2: They had? Yeah, it has been, Yes, that sounds I
Speaker 2: think the reports are coming out that Ron Rivera has
Speaker 2: final say in personal decisions, so I believe. So, there's
Speaker 2: no way it's only been it's been less than three years.
Speaker 2: I haven't really had like Okay, So for some reason,
Speaker 2: I thought Chase Young towards ACL last season when he
Speaker 2: recovered from it and came back last season.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, so he tore it at the end of
Speaker 1: the twenty twenty one season. It was November, Ron Rivera.
Speaker 2: Look at us not knowing the answer to this one
Speaker 2: right off the top of our heads. Twenty twenty so
Speaker 2: that he was the here was the pick when they
Speaker 2: drafted him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he was Rookie of the Year. For what
Speaker 1: it's worth, I think that year was just kind of
Speaker 1: a down year for defensive rookies. But you know, I
Speaker 1: still think that there's a lot of potential. You know,
Speaker 1: Chase Young, for me personally, was one of the best
Speaker 1: defensive rookies defensive prospects that I've graded. Still, his grade
Speaker 1: was very, very high for me. I still believe in
Speaker 1: that potential. You know, past strushures do typically peak when
Speaker 1: they're like twenty six, twenty seven years old. It takes
Speaker 1: them a little bit to get their legs under them.
Speaker 1: So I still think that Chase Young has some potential,
Speaker 1: and maybe he hits that this year and then we're
Speaker 1: talking about a completely different kind of player. But as
Speaker 1: of now, like if you're a Commanders fan, you've got
Speaker 1: to be pretty disappointed in the returns that you've got
Speaker 1: out of him, and you know, maybe getting a fourth
Speaker 1: round pick for him would maybe make you feel a little
Speaker 1: bit better.
Speaker 2: There's no way a Washington Commanders fan is going to
Speaker 2: say he's worth the fourth round pick, though. But the
Speaker 2: NFL's very different. Our expectations for what a player is
Speaker 2: worth is very different than what it actually ends up happening.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, Tyler, any other player that you wanted
Speaker 1: to bring up here as a potential signing or trade
Speaker 1: for the Chargers as we head into the meat of
Speaker 1: the offseason.
Speaker 2: Not necessarily a player. I'm just very desperate for any
Speaker 2: kind of competition at tackle. We've talked about this a
Speaker 2: zillion times, but you look at you know, they won't
Speaker 2: play the Browns this year, but potentially in the playoffs
Speaker 2: day trade fers the brown for Deserdaria Smith and the
Speaker 2: Chiefs get a mena who and the Raiders at Wilson
Speaker 2: and the Jets at Will McDonald and the Chiefs also drafted,
Speaker 2: and a Ducate Uzama. You're the Bengals at Miles Murphy.
Speaker 2: You're looking throughout the playoffs potentially or something under schedule
Speaker 2: like the Packers in van Ness, and you just really
Speaker 2: want to make sure that throughout those games you have
Speaker 2: a swing tackle feel really good about. And Hey, like
Speaker 2: all the players and the Chargers, I hope they're Hall
Speaker 2: of famers, but I am obviously I think we all
Speaker 2: are until proven otherwise. You know, worried about Foster several
Speaker 2: as that backup swing tackle. Hope he's awesome, but for
Speaker 2: some comparison, like his past blocking efficiency was ninety four
Speaker 2: point four last season, even Storm Norton's was ninety five
Speaker 2: the previous season. So just a bit of context there.
Speaker 2: So I don't know who, I don't know what, but
Speaker 2: I hope they add somebody, because while I hope all
Speaker 2: these guys are fantastic, I don't love the process of
Speaker 2: not adding someone at this point.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, Foster, to his credit, has been working
Speaker 1: all offseason along with Duke, Nannyweather, Rashawn and Trey Pipkins.
Speaker 1: So he's putting in the work. You know, you can
Speaker 1: tell that he's he's cut some weight, it looks like
Speaker 1: and the pictures from today, So I hope he works
Speaker 1: out right, Like I mean, he was a former five
Speaker 1: star recruit as at Stanford, so there is some natural
Speaker 1: talent there that maybe might be untapped. But I would
Speaker 1: love some competition, Like that's it for me, Like it
Speaker 1: was the same kind of story last season, and thankfully
Speaker 1: it worked out with Trey, but I would just love
Speaker 1: to be able to have, you know, a veteran in
Speaker 1: that room to to add some stability, add some competition.
Speaker 1: Not a ton of great options left. Guys like Billy
Speaker 1: Turner and Cam Fleming have recently signed, but you know
Speaker 1: there's like a Dennis Kelly type of tackle still out there.
Speaker 1: Cameron Irving, who played for Kellen Moore in Dallas, is
Speaker 1: another option. I think could you know, he's kind of
Speaker 1: played all over the place, But I think adding another
Speaker 1: veteran in the room would make a lot of sense
Speaker 1: for me.
Speaker 2: Anybody else that you'd want to add, no, I.
Speaker 1: Mean we've talked a lot about the safety room. You know,
Speaker 1: we would both love to add a potential safety in
Speaker 1: that group, again, just adding competition in depth. I think
Speaker 1: we both feel pretty comfortable with a Lowhi starting, but
Speaker 1: just would like to have a bit of a backstop
Speaker 1: if anything happens to him, because I think if if
Speaker 1: a Lowie or Dorin are to miss time, then you
Speaker 1: don't feel great about the safety room. So doesn't even
Speaker 1: have to be John Johnson, that's obviously the big name
Speaker 1: that everybody wants. You know, a guy like Ronnie Harrison,
Speaker 1: who was John Johnson's former teammate. I've talked about a
Speaker 1: couple of times that would make some sense to me,
Speaker 1: But I just I think they do need another veteran
Speaker 1: in the secondary in general. But specifically at safety.
Speaker 2: Yep. But the good news is everyone's staying healthy this year,
Speaker 2: so it's not going to be a problem.
Speaker 1: Fingers crossed, Fingers crossed. All right, Tyler, that's gonna do
Speaker 1: it for us today. Thanks so much for tuning in everyone.
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