Speaker 1: A late fifteen to ten touched up suck.
Speaker 2: All.
Speaker 1: Right, here we go, guys.
Speaker 2: We are one week away from the twenty twenty three
Speaker 2: NFL Draft. Welcome into a brand new episode of Charge Weekly,
Speaker 2: as always, joined by Matt Muney, Smith and Money. I
Speaker 2: neglected to talk about this last week, and I was
Speaker 2: kicking myself.
Speaker 1: I got the video late.
Speaker 2: Did you see our producer Greg Kim catching football from
Speaker 2: the Chickame?
Speaker 1: I did.
Speaker 2: I thought he did pretty damn well. I thought he
Speaker 2: did very well. And you know, we talk about wide receiver.
Speaker 2: I think great Kim at least is worth a spot
Speaker 2: in the summertime. And Greg, I saw you also catching
Speaker 2: punts and with the absence of DeAndre Carter. I don't
Speaker 2: know if you want to get on the mic and
Speaker 2: just talk about that experience. Greg, if you're still there,
Speaker 2: what was that like? Catching to Justin Herbert football? It's
Speaker 2: that recording your audio? Okay, well that's a shame.
Speaker 1: Look at that. That's back to back. You blew it, Chris.
Speaker 1: You blew it last week by not bringing it up,
Speaker 1: and you blew it this week by trying to bring
Speaker 1: Greg in when you can't come on.
Speaker 2: Way to go, some host it's worse now because I
Speaker 2: set up up. I asked him a question. He can't
Speaker 2: even talk anyway. It was awesome, and uh, I really
Speaker 2: appreciated your your effort.
Speaker 1: Greg. I saw you.
Speaker 2: Wearing the helmet and everything was pretty cool.
Speaker 1: But that was fun. When they said all right, let's
Speaker 1: go up to justin Herbert mode. It's like, you think
Speaker 1: you're doing pretty well, yeah, on the on the machine,
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden they're like, okay, now
Speaker 1: let's show you what it's like when it's justin Herbert.
Speaker 1: When you start getting peppered. They d oh, that's exactly
Speaker 1: what happened. Greg. Yeah, oh yeah, there we go. Yeah,
Speaker 1: check it out. It's on uh, it's on Chargers dot com.
Speaker 1: It is great. But I thought Greg did a bang
Speaker 1: up job. Yeah, it's not easy.
Speaker 2: Catching the punts too.
Speaker 1: Like you.
Speaker 2: I think you did one of those things where you
Speaker 2: call it one and then you had the ball in
Speaker 2: your hand, called another one and again, dude, there's a
Speaker 2: there's an opening at that position. So Greg shout out
Speaker 2: to you.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 2: Well, mony the off season program Phase one is here.
Speaker 2: We got to hear from Brandon Staley and he was
Speaker 2: very specific. Ninety three days since our last game YEA
Speaker 2: against Jacksonville Jaguars. You know, I want to kind of
Speaker 2: talk about a few things that he spoke about. But yeah,
Speaker 2: I think we have to start with Jalen Hurts in
Speaker 2: that monster contract that he got two hundred and fifty
Speaker 2: five million I think one hundred and seventy nine guaranteed.
Speaker 2: We were waiting to see which quarterback was going to
Speaker 2: be the first dominode to fall. Obviously there's Burrow, there's Lebar,
Speaker 2: and there's Justin still to go. But the guy who
Speaker 2: gets to the super Bowl and probably would have been
Speaker 2: the Super Bowl MVP, all right, definitely would have been
Speaker 2: the Super Bowl MVP had the Eagles one, he's the
Speaker 2: first domino to fall.
Speaker 1: Well, look, I can't say it enough. I've said it already.
Speaker 1: I try, And it takes two it's two parties. It's
Speaker 1: not a unilateral negotiation. Right, So get this thing done.
Speaker 1: The sooner you get it done, the less money it's
Speaker 1: gonna cost you. Because I can tell you right now
Speaker 1: Herbert's campaign taking a cent less than what Jay hurt Scott,
Speaker 1: even though he's a runner up MVP, took his team
Speaker 1: to the super Bowl. I can promise you that that
Speaker 1: camp is saying. I get it. His accomplishments are higher
Speaker 1: and there are more than Justin has. However, go on
Speaker 1: out and pull thirty two gms in this league, and
Speaker 1: you tell me if any of them want to take
Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts over Justin Herbert, you know. And I'm not
Speaker 1: taking anything away from Jalen. He is an incredible quarterback and.
Speaker 2: I would earned every cent.
Speaker 1: And look, I have no problem coming clean on this
Speaker 1: because I've said it. You know, I've already been made
Speaker 1: a fool. Annually. I get made a fool for my
Speaker 1: take on Patrick Mahomes and he was drafted by the
Speaker 1: Chiefs because we had never seen anyone come out of
Speaker 1: Texas Tech and the way he played football in college.
Speaker 1: And I said it with Justin Herbert, you know, we
Speaker 1: just did not see this Justin Herbert at Oregon. So
Speaker 1: it was a much tougher and a little bit more
Speaker 1: of a critical evaluation. And going into that draft when
Speaker 1: you would got selected at five, I was like, you know,
Speaker 1: we were on the air at the time during the
Speaker 1: radio show, I said, I got no problem taking Isaiah
Speaker 1: Simmons here and scooping up Jalen Hurts in the second.
Speaker 1: And I think that was a very I don't want
Speaker 1: to say common, because if it was so common, a
Speaker 1: team would have taken him in the first. But it
Speaker 1: was a very popular position that people they knew that
Speaker 1: Jalen had he had to grow as a quarterback, as
Speaker 1: a thrower, But anybody that had ever been around that
Speaker 1: guy was like, man, you will not find a better leader,
Speaker 1: a more competitive individual, someone who absolutely is relentless in
Speaker 1: the way he attacks his craft and that plays. You know,
Speaker 1: that works. And I think it's one of the things
Speaker 1: about Justin Herbert that the Chargers absolutely love is how
Speaker 1: committed this dude is and how hard he works and
Speaker 1: how much he cares, and so you know, I think
Speaker 1: when you when you factor all those things in about
Speaker 1: what the contract is going to look like, Joe Burrow's
Speaker 1: camp is not going to take a cent less than that.
Speaker 1: And I think the sooner you get it, if you
Speaker 1: can get ahead of Burrow, I'd want to get ahead
Speaker 1: of Burrow. Let his agent say all right, well we
Speaker 1: want more than Herbert now kind of thing. So they've
Speaker 1: said it's going to be private. I that's that's usually
Speaker 1: a good it's a good sign when you're not hearing
Speaker 1: anything in the media about how negotiations are going, that
Speaker 1: tends to be a good sign. It means that both
Speaker 1: parties are trying to figure this thing out and get
Speaker 1: it squared away.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and at this point, if if Burrow gets a
Speaker 2: few million more than Herbert, I mean, who cares, right,
Speaker 2: I mean, if you're if you're in this range right now,
Speaker 2: you are setting new standards. Jalen Hurts is the highest
Speaker 2: paid player in football right now. Whoever signs next is
Speaker 2: going to be the highest paid player of football.
Speaker 1: So it's just I think the one like, the one
Speaker 1: thing Chris that's going to be interesting to me is
Speaker 1: does it look more like because look, Jalen's going to
Speaker 1: get another bite at this, you know, at twenty nine,
Speaker 1: Like that's the most That's the incredible thing about that
Speaker 1: contract is the way they built it. It's a five
Speaker 1: year deal, so he's gonna be twenty nine years old
Speaker 1: when he gets the next shot at it. And it's like, man,
Speaker 1: you're gonna get another jot. So it's I bring it
Speaker 1: up because I'm anxious. I'm interested to see, not anxious,
Speaker 1: I'm interested to see. Is this going to look like
Speaker 1: a Patrick Mahomes deal. Hey man, we want to give
Speaker 1: you a ten year deal worth five hundred million dollars
Speaker 1: or is it going to be a let's give you
Speaker 1: five two sixty five, two eighty whatever it is. And
Speaker 1: you know, I'm interested to see what his camp wants
Speaker 1: would they rather have, because that's what people forget. It's
Speaker 1: not it's not the player, it's the agent that wants
Speaker 1: to puff their chest out and show these college procests
Speaker 1: and show you know, Caleb and Drake May and these Hey,
Speaker 1: look what I got, Come sign with me when you
Speaker 1: get into the draft. So that's what you have to remember,
Speaker 1: is it's not necessarily what Justin wants. It's what the
Speaker 1: Justin Herbert team wants, and the team is the agent
Speaker 1: that wants to hang their hat on something special. Do
Speaker 1: they want a bigger number than Patrick Mahomes got overall?
Speaker 1: Or do they want a very similar to what we're
Speaker 1: seeing Josh Allen Jalen Hurts that deal with just a
Speaker 1: little bit of more money.
Speaker 2: And hey, we've seen it different, right, We've seen Kirk
Speaker 2: Cousins bet on himself year after year after year with
Speaker 2: one year deals and make a ton of money and
Speaker 2: then signing a boatload of money with the Minnesota Vikings
Speaker 2: and doing that again. Right, we saw Dak Prescott bet
Speaker 2: on himself, and obviously those situations are different. Justin's gonna
Speaker 2: get either a five year deal or a ten year deal, right,
Speaker 2: That's what it is. But we hope, right, yeah, we hope.
Speaker 2: But I go back to that twenty twenty draft money
Speaker 2: and I very clearly remember, all right two in Herbert
Speaker 2: or in that conversation, we know that the Chargers need
Speaker 2: a quarterback, but we were talking about Jeff Acuda just
Speaker 2: got traded to the Falcons. We were talking about Isaiah Simmons.
Speaker 2: I remember watching Isaiah Simmons work out here in Costa Mesa.
Speaker 1: He's a freak.
Speaker 2: This guy would be. Could you imagine him and Thorwin
Speaker 2: on the field together, right, be unbelievable.
Speaker 1: That's exactly what I was thinking. I was like, man,
Speaker 1: I'd take him at six and grab herts in the
Speaker 1: second round. Be totally fine with that. And then look,
Speaker 1: Isaiah's really struggled, got a lot better, you know, two
Speaker 1: years ago, had kind of a little bit of a
Speaker 1: breakout year. Play a little bit better last year. But
Speaker 1: you just never know. It's so hard to project. You
Speaker 1: said about you know Akuda, He's like, this is one
Speaker 1: of the best corner prospects we've seen since Jalen Ramsey,
Speaker 1: and yeah, I was gone, you know for a late
Speaker 1: round pick because and now you know, that's not ability.
Speaker 1: That's hell. The guys played like twenty games, I think
Speaker 1: in three years, so that's part of it. And sometimes
Speaker 1: you just it's tough to see that guy around the building.
Speaker 1: You got guys out there laying it on the line
Speaker 1: game in and clank game out, getting their heads kicked in,
Speaker 1: and you see a dude that's playing five six games
Speaker 1: a year. It can be kind of uncomfortable for both sides,
Speaker 1: for the individual that feels like he's led his team
Speaker 1: down and for the other guys that are getting the
Speaker 1: crap kicked out of him and seeing this guy just
Speaker 1: kind of hanging out riding the stationary bike. So that's
Speaker 1: a big part of it. Not saying that Jeffacouta is
Speaker 1: a bust yet, I think it's just one of those
Speaker 1: where that's that that tends to happen when you have
Speaker 1: a player that is perennially injured, it is very uncomfortable
Speaker 1: for both sides to have him constantly around the facility,
Speaker 1: especially when he's making that much money. Is that high
Speaker 1: of a draft pick.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's also I think lessons too when you
Speaker 2: pick in the top five, top six, if you have
Speaker 2: an inkling that there's a guy there that can change
Speaker 2: your franchise, you take that guy over the corner or
Speaker 2: over the linebacker right in the Chargers and.
Speaker 1: Tom twhy there's going to be for you know, it's
Speaker 1: why they're going to be those quarterbacks taking Chris right, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what.
Speaker 2: You know. What's weird though, like I've heard this from
Speaker 2: I think with Schefter, and I think maybe Rappaport talked
Speaker 2: about this too, is that the Texans may not take
Speaker 2: a quarterback at two, and then that leaves the Cardinals
Speaker 2: who don't need a quarterback because of the Kyler Murray
Speaker 2: situation and the money they have invested in him, and
Speaker 2: they may not take a quarterback, and who knows if
Speaker 2: anybody leave frogs the Colts at four, who do need
Speaker 2: a quarterback. So that's where two and three get interesting.
Speaker 2: I know, like listen, we've talked about so many different guys.
Speaker 2: Because the Charger pick at twenty one and we're probably
Speaker 2: gonna be way off, like they're gonna probably select somebody
Speaker 2: that we've seldom talked about.
Speaker 1: Probably it's our luck, right, hope not.
Speaker 2: I hope not, because last year, you know, we were
Speaker 2: big on the wide receivers and in some other position.
Speaker 1: Two years ago we talked about Slater. Two years ago,
Speaker 1: we said, man, if somehowing out some way, Rashawn Slater
Speaker 1: slips and sure enough that happened. Yeah, that felt the
Speaker 1: interesting and I want to give I think it's our colleague.
Speaker 1: I think it's DJ. That was the first one I
Speaker 1: heard bring this up. And it's pretty easy to connect
Speaker 1: the dots if in fact Brock Purty's the guy and
Speaker 1: they feel like he's gonna end up being their quarterback
Speaker 1: moving forward. Yeah, you traded a ton to get Trey Lance,
Speaker 1: but whatever, you found your quarterback. If you feel like
Speaker 1: brock Party is that quarterback and took you to the
Speaker 1: championship game and won a bunch of games, you know,
Speaker 1: one out after becoming the starter at the end of
Speaker 1: the year, who cares? Who cares what draft capital you
Speaker 1: gave away and you move on. You found your quarterback,
Speaker 1: doesn't matter where you found him. Connecting Trey Lance to
Speaker 1: Houston is interesting if you can, you've got that number
Speaker 1: three pick or that number two pick, maybe you trade
Speaker 1: with the Colts if they're real smitten with c. J.
Speaker 1: Stroud and you say, hey, once you just give us
Speaker 1: your two, you do have to give us a lot.
Speaker 1: We'll trade back two spots, give us your two and
Speaker 1: a five and they can slide back to four and
Speaker 1: grab another one of the Tyree Wilson or one of
Speaker 1: those guys, and then they can trade twelve or thirteen
Speaker 1: whatever that is to the forty nine ers for Trey
Speaker 1: Lance and Demiko knows them really well, coached them up
Speaker 1: by all means say they say, bust is tail working,
Speaker 1: great kid, incredibly skilled. Yes, Slowick is there too. The
Speaker 1: OC Yeah, So to me, that makes sense if you're
Speaker 1: if you're the Texans and you're like, hey, look, you
Speaker 1: know we can we got a lot of holes we're
Speaker 1: not We wanted Bryce Young, That's who we wanted, and
Speaker 1: if he's not there, we're just as comfortable picking up
Speaker 1: a couple extra picks, taking a dominant defensive player in
Speaker 1: this draft, and for Damiko, who's a defensive coach, and
Speaker 1: I don't even know if you'd have to give up
Speaker 1: twelve might be able to give up a couple twos
Speaker 1: or something for him. I don't know, but it's it's
Speaker 1: it's an interesting it's an interesting theory or a bit
Speaker 1: of speculation.
Speaker 2: Will Anderson. Will Anderson slam dunket too, right, I mean
Speaker 2: I feel like that that's like, Okay, turn the cart
Speaker 2: in and then if you have a plant quarterback, you know,
Speaker 2: an another destination. You talk about Ran Carthon in Tennessee,
Speaker 2: who came from San Francisco, who's involved in that process
Speaker 2: for scent of drafting Trey Lance. Maybe they're an option
Speaker 2: too with with Ryan Tannehill's time seemingly up at some
Speaker 2: point in the near future, and knowing that Tennessee needs
Speaker 2: to kind of rebuild on offense with Derrick Henry aging.
Speaker 2: So yeah, see what happens at the top of the draft,
Speaker 2: I think is going to be very interesting and may
Speaker 2: eventually kind of dictate what the Chargers do at twenty one,
Speaker 2: because maybe one of those quarterbacks is still there on
Speaker 2: the board as we creep into the twenties.
Speaker 1: We can only hope, We can only hope, right, Like.
Speaker 2: Will Levis Hendon Hooker, like you hear more and more
Speaker 2: about maybe those guys, maybe.
Speaker 1: If Anthony Richardson you're starting to hear, could you know
Speaker 1: that perhaps people we were speculating a little or people
Speaker 1: were sort of pushing Anthony Richardson up a little high
Speaker 1: compared to the risk involved with someone that has that
Speaker 1: few starts, that few pass attempts, that few snaps, and
Speaker 1: just how much pause that gives general managers and scouts
Speaker 1: when you have that small of a sample. And it
Speaker 1: goes back to Mitch Trubisky and Trey Lance did not
Speaker 1: have a lot of games under his belt, and it
Speaker 1: just makes guys nervous. That was the Bill Parcells thing.
Speaker 1: He wanted four year starters. He wanted guys that had
Speaker 1: played at I think his number was forty. I want
Speaker 1: to say it was, or maybe I think yeah, for
Speaker 1: some reason, I feel like it was forty. He wanted
Speaker 1: forty college starts from his guys before he was comfortable
Speaker 1: drafted him or thirty or whatever. Yeah, and you're talking
Speaker 1: about thirteen. Yeah, you're talking about thirteen. Mark Sanchez was
Speaker 1: that way. He's just going to bring that up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Pete Carroll press conference where he wasn't thrilled that
Speaker 2: Mark was doing that well.
Speaker 1: Selfish a Pete, it was not. Your job as a
Speaker 1: coach in college is not to win football games, believe
Speaker 1: it or not. You're supposed to get your guys ready
Speaker 1: to go to the NFL. That's your ultimate responsibility is
Speaker 1: to take care of these young men. And so for
Speaker 1: Pete to do that to Mark and what was a
Speaker 1: celebratory day because he put his name in the search
Speaker 1: and they came back and said, you're going to be
Speaker 1: a top ten pick. And you go when you can
Speaker 1: start being paid to play football, especially that much money,
Speaker 1: you go play football for MO. It's different now with nil,
Speaker 1: but back then you want an end from University of Washington,
Speaker 1: you know, spearing you in the back with his helmet
Speaker 1: for free. And that was all just Pete. No, And
Speaker 1: he wasn't quite ready for the transition because he just
Speaker 1: assumed Mark was going to be back for another year.
Speaker 1: But to the point beyond that and aside here in
Speaker 1: southern California where we're doing in the pod, yeah, I
Speaker 1: probably wasn't ready, you know, but you know, they had
Speaker 1: that circumstance. That's the thing about the NFL, and it's
Speaker 1: unlike any other sport where circumstances, not like baseball it's
Speaker 1: not like hockey. It's not like basketball, where if you
Speaker 1: are in exceptional talent, your talent's gonna break through. You're
Speaker 1: going to shine in the batter's box or on the
Speaker 1: pitching mound. You're gonna shine on the ice. You're going
Speaker 1: to shine as a basketball player. Football is different. It's
Speaker 1: scheme dependent, it's teammates, it's coaches, it's front office's willingness
Speaker 1: to spend money to build around you. What does that
Speaker 1: offensive line look like in front of you? Are they
Speaker 1: willing to invest in the offensive line. Are they going
Speaker 1: to resign guys after they develop or is it a
Speaker 1: cheap franchise that just lets guys go and they don't
Speaker 1: care and they replay Like that's the difference. There's so
Speaker 1: much of this is dependent on where you land. I mean,
Speaker 1: just think about Justin and now I'm talking way too much, no.
Speaker 2: But I know we should talk like when he was
Speaker 2: at Oregon, right and we didn't well we didn't.
Speaker 1: Mario Christobal was a ridiculous system they had him running
Speaker 1: yea would have been the first pick in the draft.
Speaker 2: The offense here too, and that that's a nice segue
Speaker 2: into Kellen Moore and what Kellen Moore will bring to
Speaker 2: this offense, and maybe it's the perfect marriage between Justin
Speaker 2: and Kellen and the way he likes to play, and
Speaker 2: you know, really the guys. You know, we've seen Mike
Speaker 2: and Keenan maximize their talent really in any scheme. But
Speaker 2: I'm really looking forward to seeing what this offensive line
Speaker 2: looks like, to see what the running game looks like
Speaker 2: under Kellen Moore. And you know, we've talked about the
Speaker 2: rinning back. I promise myself I have talked about the
Speaker 2: running back today. All Right, if b John Robinson is
Speaker 2: there twenty one, I think the Charger should take them.
Speaker 1: I don't think he's gonna be there.
Speaker 2: Right when I see Daniel Jeremiah's top fifty and I
Speaker 2: see b John Robinson at number three, it's like, Okay.
Speaker 1: That's why would you? And that's everyone. That's everyone. Everybody's
Speaker 1: big board has Bijon in the top five. But it
Speaker 1: goes back to and we've already discussed it. I don't
Speaker 1: have to, you know, reconstruct it. But I am kind
Speaker 1: of proud that we talked about it a long time ago,
Speaker 1: and now people are starting to have that same position
Speaker 1: where they're sharing money it's it's money. You don't why
Speaker 1: would you pay a running back seven eight million dollars
Speaker 1: a year because you took them in the top ten.
Speaker 1: When you sign a free agent and it's twelve million dollars,
Speaker 1: you want to pay the defensive end to that, you
Speaker 1: want to pay enough tackle that, you want to play
Speaker 1: the pay the quarterback that the money gap isn't large
Speaker 1: enough for it to be of value. And that's a
Speaker 1: big part of what you do in the draft is
Speaker 1: take premium positions in the first round so you can
Speaker 1: lock that salary in for the next five years. I
Speaker 1: have to worry about these gargantuan salaries. The point I
Speaker 1: was gonna make with Herbert and Kellen Moore is and
Speaker 1: this is not because he's not here anymore and was fired.
Speaker 1: But his best year was with Shane his rookie season.
Speaker 1: When you think about the way he played, the explosive plays,
Speaker 1: the amount of quarterback designed runs that were effective, that
Speaker 1: that was his best season. I know his second year
Speaker 1: was great. Statistically, he was off the charts and it
Speaker 1: was a great year and they barely missed the playoffs
Speaker 1: because they lost a game in Week eighteen. But just
Speaker 1: for my my naked eye. The Shane Steike and coordinated
Speaker 1: offense was better for him, and it was immediate, and
Speaker 1: it was just explosive, that's the thing. It was explosive.
Speaker 1: And you know a big part of that could have
Speaker 1: been just the way that Joe wanted to use Austin
Speaker 1: Eckler a little bit differently and how much more of
Speaker 1: a prominent role he gained with Lombardi taking over. So
Speaker 1: I think there's again it goes back to circumstance. It's
Speaker 1: the plays that Joe Lombardi wanted to call. It was effective,
Speaker 1: it was a top five offense. It worked. But just
Speaker 1: I think if you were to ask Charger fans and
Speaker 1: football people when offense looked better for Justin, it was Shane's.
Speaker 1: You know, it was Shane's and that's why he's a
Speaker 1: head coach now. And that's why Jalen Hurts just got
Speaker 1: a two hundred and fifty nine million dollar deal and
Speaker 1: was runner up in the MVP race. A big part
Speaker 1: of that was Shane and so to bring And I
Speaker 1: say that because, look, it may be construed as a
Speaker 1: shot at Brandon for bringing in Joe Lombardy in the
Speaker 1: first place instead of just keeping Shane and saying, hey,
Speaker 1: what you had going was great, let's just roll. It's
Speaker 1: not what I'm getting at. When you're ahead, coach, you
Speaker 1: want to surround yourself with people you're comfortable with, and
Speaker 1: that's fine. I have no problem with that. What I'm
Speaker 1: gonna do is credit him for cutting him loose for it,
Speaker 1: because essentially what you're doing is you're pointing the finger
Speaker 1: at yourself. Hey, I messed this up. I've got to
Speaker 1: get a new coordinator. I brought a guy in that
Speaker 1: did not work. I need to fix it, and I'll
Speaker 1: credit him for that. It's essentially quitting. You know, nobody
Speaker 1: ever gets credit for quitting things, but you quit when
Speaker 1: you realize this is going nowhere. Why am I still
Speaker 1: doing this? I need to quit. You know, if you're
Speaker 1: in a dead end job and you don't see any
Speaker 1: upward mobility, just quit, start something new. And that's what
Speaker 1: is happening this year on offense is they realized, Okay,
Speaker 1: it was great two years ago. Regress last year. We
Speaker 1: have issues with the four minute drill. We're losing games
Speaker 1: late because we can't control the clock as much as
Speaker 1: we want to.
Speaker 2: Let's move on, and frankly, I say you say all that,
Speaker 2: Joe's not a bad coach. Joe's been around for a
Speaker 2: long time and he had a great year. I mean
Speaker 2: they were top five offense the year before. The running
Speaker 2: game and speed a wide receiver obviously kind of hindered
Speaker 2: his ability to call certain plays. But you're right, it
Speaker 2: wasn't working. But Joe found a job in Denver with Sean.
Speaker 1: Payton immediately, and that's what you know.
Speaker 2: He's comfortable with Sean Shawn's calling the plays and that's
Speaker 2: a marriage that works. I do credit Brandon for bringing
Speaker 2: in Kellen Moore and saying, hey, we got to be
Speaker 2: better offensively, because they do have to be better offensively. Hey,
Speaker 2: I want to I want to run this thing by
Speaker 2: you too. So Bill Barnwell did these trades, these hypothetical trades,
Speaker 2: And I bring it up because we've talked about the
Speaker 2: wide receiver position a lot and staying put versus trading
Speaker 2: up and what have you. So I'm just gonna read
Speaker 2: this and get your thoughts. LA general manager Tom Telesco
Speaker 2: almost always stays put in the opening round of the draft,
Speaker 2: but that's not an option here. The Chargers, at the
Speaker 2: beginning of a group of teams that expect to look
Speaker 2: for wide receivers, but any of those can move ahead
Speaker 2: of LA to make a trade with the Bucks or Seahawks.
Speaker 2: In this case, the Chargers would be moving ahead of
Speaker 2: the Packers at No. Number fifteen, so they would move
Speaker 2: up to number one fourteen. The Packers drafting a wide
Speaker 2: receiver in the first round still seems to be a
Speaker 2: theory as opposed to something that may actually happen, but
Speaker 2: this would be a way for the Charges to land
Speaker 2: Jackson Smith and Jigba as the long term replacement for
Speaker 2: Keenan Allen. A more speedy option could be in play,
Speaker 2: although the Charges could probably stay put and grabs a
Speaker 2: Flowers or Jalen Hyatt. So we haven't talked much about
Speaker 2: Smith and Jigba, and I do think he is kind
Speaker 2: of the consensus number one. I think we have to
Speaker 2: put everything in its proper context. The cap hit for
Speaker 2: Keenan and Mike is gigantic in twenty twenty four, so
Speaker 2: that leads me to believe one of them isn't going
Speaker 2: to be on the roster in a year, maybe both,
Speaker 2: but probably one. If this is the Keenan Allen let's
Speaker 2: say replacement after this past year this next year, is
Speaker 2: that something that you would be comfortable with or do
Speaker 2: you want to kind of go all in, stand put,
Speaker 2: stay pat and get a a wide receiver with speed
Speaker 2: to compliment those two guys as opposed to look to
Speaker 2: the future.
Speaker 1: It's interesting. I don't I don't envision it happening, just
Speaker 1: because I as good as Smith and Jigba is, and
Speaker 1: he's good. You know, when he was on the field
Speaker 1: with a Lave and Garrett Wilson, he was the best
Speaker 1: receiver two years ago. That's how good he is. However,
Speaker 1: I think there's some concern about the injuries, about missing
Speaker 1: almost an entire season with a handstring that was that's
Speaker 1: that's a bit of a red flag for me. The
Speaker 1: Ohio State offense, it just it produces gargantuan numbers for
Speaker 1: wide receivers and look at Lave and Garret Wilson were
Speaker 1: both exceptional last year. So I don't think it's fair
Speaker 1: to stick that. But I think it's important to remember
Speaker 1: this offense puts up monster numbers for wide receivers, but
Speaker 1: he is special, no doubt about it. I think for me,
Speaker 1: that's seven spots to go from twenty one to fourteen
Speaker 1: that's gonna cost you. It's gonna probably cost you, it
Speaker 1: might cost you your two because that's i'd I don't
Speaker 1: have the Jimmy Johnson chart in front of me. I
Speaker 1: don't know what the points are, but if I were
Speaker 1: to guess, it's a minimum of A three and maybe
Speaker 1: a two. And they just can't afford to do that.
Speaker 1: They need those picks they need. I would much rather
Speaker 1: trade back. You know, our conversation with Renner about you know,
Speaker 1: a depth and what you might be able to get
Speaker 1: when you move back with Brett last week when we
Speaker 1: were talking about what's available if you move back, and
Speaker 1: to me the gap between what Smith and Jigbu and
Speaker 1: what Zay Flowers who could be there at twenty one
Speaker 1: or Jordan Addison at twenty when Jordan Adison's Keenan Allen
Speaker 1: as well. He's not as big, he's not as strong
Speaker 1: and as thick. But in terms of route running, in
Speaker 1: terms of separation, you know, Keenan's greatest attribute. One he's
Speaker 1: one of the smartest receivers in the league. But two
Speaker 1: is he operates at one speed. When people talk about
Speaker 1: route running, I think fans don't quite understand. Yes, every
Speaker 1: people can run routes. Yeah, or I said it is
Speaker 1: crisp are your breaks is claim. What is Keenan's secret
Speaker 1: sauce is everything's the exact same speed, so you have
Speaker 1: no idea. He doesn't he doesn't slow down, he doesn't
Speaker 1: explode out of his bricks. It's just it's it's uncanny.
Speaker 1: It's unlike anybody else in the league, where he is
Speaker 1: just operating at one speed. Calvin Ridley is like this too,
Speaker 1: where everything except he's a little bit of a better
Speaker 1: athlete than Keenan and everything is just you don't know
Speaker 1: where he's going because it's all the same speed. So
Speaker 1: that's what Smith and jigb is capable of doing, and
Speaker 1: that's what makes him very special. But he's not explosive
Speaker 1: like you know, like a Ze Flowers is explosive, and
Speaker 1: and Jordan Addison is like Keenan and like Smith and
Speaker 1: Jig but in that way. And he just found himself
Speaker 1: in a Lincoln Riley offense that doesn't feature anyone. Lincoln
Speaker 1: is he will spread it all out and it does
Speaker 1: not matter you will you know you're going to get
Speaker 1: your targets if you're open. I have no interest in
Speaker 1: getting a bulittan a cough winner because I'm going to
Speaker 1: feature you because you're a really good receiver. No, it's
Speaker 1: just gonna go where it goes. So when you go
Speaker 1: back two years and watch Jordan Addison though, that's what
Speaker 1: I would say to people that are down on him.
Speaker 1: And let's not forget who's his coach was too, by
Speaker 1: the way, at Pitt, and who recruited him to Pitt,
Speaker 1: Chris Baty. So there's a connection there. So I cannot
Speaker 1: imagine Tom being in that room having baby sitting there
Speaker 1: and go, Addison's probably gonna fall in our laps and
Speaker 1: we're gonna have to give up with two to go
Speaker 1: up and get Smith and Jig. But what do you think?
Speaker 1: I'm sure baby be like, dude, just sit here for
Speaker 1: Addison's he is good. You are fine. So love Bill.
Speaker 1: He does great work at ESPN. But could not agree
Speaker 1: with him more.
Speaker 2: Well, you know what, and Bill's defense, I think this
Speaker 2: is just a thought provoking exercise. I think he did
Speaker 2: this with all the teams right, potential trades and trade out,
Speaker 2: So he's he's doing that to you know, smart interest.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and which one makes I got you, which one
Speaker 1: of these makes sense?
Speaker 2: Exactly. There's some intrigue there, but I think if you
Speaker 2: do stand pap Zay Flowers or Jordan Addison would be
Speaker 2: a perfect number two in this offense, regardless what happens
Speaker 2: at twenty twenty.
Speaker 1: Fe Let's not forget about Josh Palmer. You know, he fits
Speaker 1: that Keenan. He fits that Keenan role more than he
Speaker 1: does an outside. You know, he can excel there and
Speaker 1: he's gotten better every year. So I'm just more comfortable
Speaker 1: with let's get an explosive guy on the outside, and
Speaker 1: if you have to move on from Keenan next year,
Speaker 1: I hope you don't. I hope there's a way you
Speaker 1: can figure that out. And he stays healthy for seventeen
Speaker 1: games and you make a Super Bowl run and it's like, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: we're comfortable given him a few more years. Let's do it.
Speaker 1: You know, that's ideal for me, And I feel good
Speaker 1: about zech.
Speaker 2: Like ever since you said it a couple of weeks ago,
Speaker 2: that the Za Flowers hype for me has been increasing,
Speaker 2: and it just it seems to make a lot of sense, right,
Speaker 2: It just seems to make a lot of the tape.
Speaker 1: Man, It's crazy, how explosive that guy is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And you know the tight end position, whether it's
Speaker 2: kinkad or Mayor looking at DJ's top fifty, it's you
Speaker 2: look at the guys who are kind of in that
Speaker 2: that territory, and Addison's there, Zay Flowers is there? Those
Speaker 2: are the two. I think Michael Mayer's number twenty one
Speaker 2: on his big board. Kin Kate is nine, right, So
Speaker 2: like the value you would get with a Dalton Kincate
Speaker 2: if he happened to be there at twenty one would
Speaker 2: be spectacular.
Speaker 1: Right. It's funny though, Chris like, and this is what
Speaker 1: we were getting at with with Brett last week, is
Speaker 1: it's also important to think about positions. And this is
Speaker 1: what makes the drafts the draft so hard, is you
Speaker 1: also have to look at the position groups from a
Speaker 1: depth standpoint. Who's going to be there when we picked
Speaker 1: u out? Okay, what's here? We're sitting and I'm staring
Speaker 1: at Za Flowers, Jordan Addison, both Mayor and Ken cad
Speaker 1: are there. You know, I'm trying to think of what
Speaker 1: McDonald is there? At edge, You've got Canci there, what
Speaker 1: cornerback maybe more is there? At cornerback? Banks is there?
Speaker 1: Like now you have to look at right, what's available
Speaker 1: in the second round. The way that guys like DJ
Speaker 1: are describing this tight end group is that it's the
Speaker 1: deepest tight end group they have ever seen. That If
Speaker 1: Kinkaid and Mayer aren't in this draft, Darnell Washington and
Speaker 1: either musk Raad Right or Laporta, those guys are going
Speaker 1: to go on the first round. But it's just because
Speaker 1: it's so so Now, I think you have to ask yourself. Okay,
Speaker 1: if we take Zay because he's here at twenty one,
Speaker 1: what are the chances of us getting musk Grave or
Speaker 1: Laporta at with our second round pick? Probably pretty good?
Speaker 1: If we take kN Caid here, what are the chances
Speaker 1: of us getting a wide receiver that fits what we
Speaker 1: would maybe get from Zay? Maybe you don't get that
Speaker 1: full package, But do we get enough out of the
Speaker 1: wide receiver we take in this second Okay, are we
Speaker 1: gonna find a defensive end like McDonald or like or
Speaker 1: are we gonna find a corner like Branch if we wait?
Speaker 1: Probably not. So let's let's take the end here and
Speaker 1: let's get the receiver. See what I mean? Like, So
Speaker 1: that's the sort of stuff that starts to come into play,
Speaker 1: you have what's called two boards. You have a horizontal,
Speaker 1: you have a horizontal, you have a vertical. Your vertical
Speaker 1: what most teams have one fifty it's just one thre
Speaker 1: Like you said, whatever, DJ has this players at nine,
Speaker 1: this player's at fifteen. This play, and if you're a
Speaker 1: best team available, you're like, all right, we're picking a
Speaker 1: twenty one. There's our guy that's got the number eight
Speaker 1: next to them. We'll take them. So the horizontal is
Speaker 1: now you've got all these grades and it's run by positions.
Speaker 1: So now you're looking at these horizontal categories of Okay,
Speaker 1: here's my Zay Flowers. He's a I didn't even want
Speaker 1: to get into the way these scouts do the scoring system.
Speaker 1: When I hear DJ and Lance talk about I'm like, hell,
Speaker 1: you guys talking about six ninety four. No, I've got
Speaker 1: him as a six eight eight. I've got him at
Speaker 1: a six seven seven, and he's a six seven nine.
Speaker 1: So I would totally tell you what. I don't know
Speaker 1: how the scouts do it, but that's the way. So
Speaker 1: just imagine you've got three wide receivers that on a
Speaker 1: one to ten scale, you've got them at nine, and
Speaker 1: now I've got six of them that are eight, and
Speaker 1: I've got five of them that are seven. So you're like, dude,
Speaker 1: I can get this seven in the third round, but
Speaker 1: I got to spend a first on a nine, and
Speaker 1: the gap I have between them is pretty damn close.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm getting at. So to me, a lot
Speaker 1: of that is going to come into play because of
Speaker 1: how deep these positions of need are for the Chargers
Speaker 1: running back. If you want to talk about Beesewan, we
Speaker 1: talked about that with Brett, with Roshan potentially being like
Speaker 1: someone like that or Tank or one of those guys
Speaker 1: into the charbonnet. You know, that's what you now have
Speaker 1: to start balancing out, who's here, what's that position group
Speaker 1: that look like? When we get to hear and here,
Speaker 1: I want.
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Speaker 2: To that point, let's just say at twenty one, Zave
Speaker 2: Flowers is there and they really want say they select Zay.
Speaker 2: But that's when I think it gets really interesting because
Speaker 2: there may be a couple of those tight ends available,
Speaker 2: or a corner or an edge that they have really
Speaker 2: highly graded. I think at that point that's when maybe
Speaker 2: you think about trading up right, get your guy in
Speaker 2: the first round, and then say, hey, this is this
Speaker 2: is a heck of an opportunity to get this guy
Speaker 2: that we have a huge grade on that still is
Speaker 2: on the board. Let's trade our second and a third
Speaker 2: next year to move up to you know, whatever it
Speaker 2: is to secure a guy that may be available, because
Speaker 2: at twenty one, right now, you have no idea what's
Speaker 2: going to happen. I know that Tom probably has a
Speaker 2: pretty good idea of where you know, and I remember
Speaker 2: Tom talking about when they drafted Slater, they had a
Speaker 2: pretty good idea that nobody was gonna select him and
Speaker 2: they didn't have to move up. I remember saying, shoot,
Speaker 2: move up, move up to get Slater. Tom knew what
Speaker 2: he was doing. So Tom will probably have a pretty
Speaker 2: good read on the board. You get the guy you
Speaker 2: wanted twenty one. There could be a guy that you say, hey,
Speaker 2: let's move back into the first round. I remember they
Speaker 2: did it with Kenneth Murray a few years ago. Maybe
Speaker 2: there's a guy that did they have eyes on on
Speaker 2: defense or a tight end or another wide receiver. But
Speaker 2: securing your guy at twenty one with that without having
Speaker 2: to trade up, I think is probably the move.
Speaker 1: So it's interesting as you bring that up. Now, now
Speaker 1: I'll present you with the counter to that. Okay, so
Speaker 1: for me, it goes had we had I think we
Speaker 1: did this about a month ago. We talked about the
Speaker 1: construction of the roster and how you look at rosters
Speaker 1: around the league, and when you look at teams that
Speaker 1: have healthy roster construction, you're going to see a lot
Speaker 1: of rookie contracts. You don't want to see a lot
Speaker 1: of veteran contracts. And right now the Chargers are one
Speaker 1: of the heaviest veteran laden rosters. They need more guys
Speaker 1: on rookie deals. So now you get rid of that third.
Speaker 1: For the most part, twos and three should be starters.
Speaker 1: If you're doing a good job, your twos and your
Speaker 1: threes are starters on your team. Maybe as soon as
Speaker 1: their first year, they can get in there and they
Speaker 1: can contribute. So now I've pulled up renters top tens
Speaker 1: over at PFF right, So instead of taking Zay who's falling,
Speaker 1: Who's Zay Flowers, who's fallen to you in the first
Speaker 1: round at twenty one? You love him, he's great, fits
Speaker 1: exactly what you want. You trade back. Now you've somebody
Speaker 1: else wants to come up and get them. They want to,
Speaker 1: and now your receiver options tanked. Dell could be available
Speaker 1: for you in the second round. We talked about at
Speaker 1: Perry with Brett just great speed out of wake Forest.
Speaker 1: You know, he could be available for you in the
Speaker 1: third round. So now that's what your wide receivers look
Speaker 1: like instead of is a flower Jalen Hyatt it's one
Speaker 1: trick pony. You know, it's really kind of a one
Speaker 1: game spotlight against Alabama and what he and Hooker did
Speaker 1: to the Crimson Tide in that game. But he's probably
Speaker 1: gonna be available in the second when you pick. I
Speaker 1: would guess. So they're not zay Farers. But now you
Speaker 1: go to your tight ends. Okay, so we missed out
Speaker 1: on Dalton Kincaid and Michael Mayer, but Sam Laporta could
Speaker 1: be there in the second. Luke Muskraves could be Luke
Speaker 1: Luke Muskrave. Darnell Washington might be available in the second.
Speaker 1: Even Tucker Craft, that's like one of DJ's favorite guys.
Speaker 1: He's probably gonna be available in the third. And like
Speaker 1: I said, when you have this deep of a class,
Speaker 1: these guys get pushed down. And now you're talking about
Speaker 1: an edge defender two we two a polo two out
Speaker 1: of you know, out of sc is probably gonna be
Speaker 1: So now you got two two's and your three, and
Speaker 1: maybe even trade back your three and you get another
Speaker 1: you know, you get somebody else's three that's further back
Speaker 1: in the third, and you pick up a five now,
Speaker 1: and now you can stack some picks and start to
Speaker 1: build some depth. What I'm getting at is in those
Speaker 1: in those two position groups, as we discussed last week
Speaker 1: with Brett Brett Coleman is I think it was Brett
Speaker 1: that we talked about it with. But there isn't really
Speaker 1: that elite guy that Garrett Wilson, that Jamar Chase. But
Speaker 1: it's a deep group. You feel really good. So on
Speaker 1: that horizontal board that the chargers have, maybe the grade
Speaker 1: between z Flowers and and At Perry or the grade
Speaker 1: between Za and Tank Dell or Jalen isn't that far.
Speaker 1: And they're like, you know what, we can probably just
Speaker 1: get out of here and feel like we're gonna get
Speaker 1: a guy that's comparable talent. So Justin Herbert throwing him
Speaker 1: the ball maybe the difference right, one hundred percent. Right.
Speaker 1: We've said that Justin makes okay receivers good, he makes
Speaker 1: good receivers great, he makes great receivers all pros. So
Speaker 1: from a from a fan perspective.
Speaker 2: When you look at the draft, it's very easy to
Speaker 2: just look at the short term and look at, Okay,
Speaker 2: how's this guy going to contribute this year? Right, But
Speaker 2: you know, it's a great point the front office is
Speaker 2: thinking long term, man long term. Obviously they want they
Speaker 2: want contributors out of this rookie class, but it's not
Speaker 2: just about twenty twenty three. Especially when you look at
Speaker 2: the cap numbers with a lot of these and you
Speaker 2: look at Edge getting older, you look at really there's
Speaker 2: not a long term tight end on this roster, so
Speaker 2: they could go in a variety of directions, keeping in
Speaker 2: line with the wide receiver theme. Jalen Geitton is back,
Speaker 2: and we've talked about adding speed, and I think the
Speaker 2: one thing about Jalen money is you know, you never
Speaker 2: want to see an injury like that. At least it
Speaker 2: happened in September, and you know, the hope is that
Speaker 2: you know, once training camp comes in July, that Jalen
Speaker 2: is hopefully close to his his former self. He's still
Speaker 2: a young guy. All that said, they still need speed,
Speaker 2: but it was nice to see them bring in Jalen
Speaker 2: because I remember there's a lot of games down the
Speaker 2: stretch in twenty twenty one, I believe I remember Cincinnati
Speaker 2: the Giants game where Jalen came up huge, and again
Speaker 2: it goes to the point of, you know, Justin was
Speaker 2: finding t Billy and all these guys' rookie year and
Speaker 2: Guiden and Jailing is a nice addition to this wide receiver.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think there's any reason not to sign him,
Speaker 1: you know, for what the money is, and you developed him.
Speaker 1: There's certainly chemistry between he and Herbert. I think it's
Speaker 1: what four catches of fifty plus or more of fifty
Speaker 1: plus yards Giants. The pitch and catch on the Giants
Speaker 1: game is the greatest touchdown throw I've ever seen. So
Speaker 1: there's something there, So why not, you know, And that's
Speaker 1: just vout. That's value. That's the second wave of free
Speaker 1: agency and value, and there's still value out there. I'm
Speaker 1: still when it comes to the edge, and I'm sure
Speaker 1: they've had conversations, but I know how much he loves him,
Speaker 1: and I'm still holding out. Maybe Leonard Floyd and out
Speaker 1: there Brandon Staley are still having conversations of come on,
Speaker 1: can we get you on like an incentive laden deal
Speaker 1: and then put you back in the market next year
Speaker 1: and one of those things. So that's the way you
Speaker 1: can develop your depth at your edge position. Then you
Speaker 1: don't have to focus on that as much guidance coming back.
Speaker 1: Like you said, the ACL injury happened in September, you'd
Speaker 1: hope he's ready to go by the start of the season,
Speaker 1: and at least that gives you some element of speed.
Speaker 1: You hope he has a full recovery and it comes back.
Speaker 1: It seems like these days that an ACL is like
Speaker 1: a spim. It sounds stupid, but you know it's like
Speaker 1: a sprained ankle compete ten years ago. Yeah, so I
Speaker 1: think there's there's a security blanket there. We've got a
Speaker 1: guy with speed, We've got a guy that we know
Speaker 1: can make explosive plays. We just got to make sure
Speaker 1: he's healthy. And maybe now we don't need to freak
Speaker 1: out as much about overdrafting for that particular skill set.
Speaker 1: But you brought it up, and I think it was
Speaker 1: a great point. I do want to just acknowledge it. Chris,
Speaker 1: that and that is a big thing. You'll hear Tom
Speaker 1: Telesco say a lot. We're not drafting these guys for
Speaker 1: twenty twenty three. We're drafting them to be Chargers for
Speaker 1: their career. So maybe he can get on the field
Speaker 1: this year, maybe we think he needs a year of development,
Speaker 1: but after that he's got potential to be a pro
Speaker 1: bowler and those that's the way you've got to approach this.
Speaker 1: You draft for twenty twenty three and you end up
Speaker 1: stumbling over yourself and you make way too many mistakes
Speaker 1: because you're overdrafting guys for one particular season, and then
Speaker 1: you're hoping that their skills translate to the NFL, which
Speaker 1: is a gigantic jump from what they were experiencing in college.
Speaker 2: I think a good way to look at last year's
Speaker 2: rookie class for guys who didn't get on the field
Speaker 2: or who had flashes but got hurt like Tito Abonia,
Speaker 2: Isaiah Spiller, JT. Woods. Those are three guys that I
Speaker 2: think can help this team this year that didn't help
Speaker 2: the team last year. Tito Ebonia did until he got hurt.
Speaker 2: But those are three guys that, again, they were drafted
Speaker 2: to be Chargers, not to be Chargers in twenty twenty two.
Speaker 2: So it's as exciting as the twenty three draft is
Speaker 2: going to be. Think about the guys that they selected
Speaker 2: last year who didn't contribute because there were other guys
Speaker 2: in front of them or needed some time to fully devel.
Speaker 2: This is a big off season for guys like JT.
Speaker 2: Woods and Isaiah Spiller and Tito Bonya.
Speaker 1: Woods is the big one. They drafted him with eyes
Speaker 1: on him being a starter, and it's just a hard
Speaker 1: position high safety. You've got to be able to read
Speaker 1: the whole field. You've got to know everything. You've got
Speaker 1: to take angles, you've got to diagnose, you've got to
Speaker 1: decide am I moving forward? Am I moving backwards. It's
Speaker 1: a lot to take in. We know he's got the
Speaker 1: tracking skills, he's got the ball skills, needs to be
Speaker 1: a better tackler. That was an issue when he was
Speaker 1: at Baylor. And you know how slight he is, so
Speaker 1: you hope in the off season and opportunity to put
Speaker 1: on a bunch of weight because look a lot of
Speaker 1: times when you're going into the combine and you're someone
Speaker 1: like that, you want to run that lightning fast forty
Speaker 1: so you're not putting on that weight and it takes
Speaker 1: a second for you to catch up. So I'm hoping
Speaker 1: he bulks up a little bit to help with his tackling.
Speaker 1: But that's the big to me. Woods is a big
Speaker 1: one just because no More nas Aloe was great, but
Speaker 1: he doesn't have that same explosiveness that someone like J. T.
Speaker 1: Woods has at that high safety position. And on top
Speaker 1: of that, if you can play those two guys not
Speaker 1: just a lowie and Derwin is your safeties, but you
Speaker 1: can play you know, both a LOWI and JT up top, well,
Speaker 1: now you can cut Derwin loose and make them whatever
Speaker 1: you want. You talk about him being that dollar or
Speaker 1: that money linebacker, the you know, the star as a
Speaker 1: corner an edge rusher, and just send him firing off
Speaker 1: an end repeatedly in games because he's able to do
Speaker 1: all that. And when you have those two safeties up there,
Speaker 1: you're able to do that and just play Kendricks as
Speaker 1: your one linebacker, Derwin out there, those two guys up high,
Speaker 1: your two corners, and now you can really get after it.
Speaker 1: A couple quick notes before we get out of here.
Speaker 2: From Brandon Sealey's presser, it seems like same comments as
Speaker 2: far as Austin Eckler's concerned. No new updates on that front.
Speaker 2: The punt returner kick returner I comment I thought was interesting.
Speaker 2: It seems like maybe that guy's not on the roster yet,
Speaker 2: and right they need to identify that in the spring
Speaker 2: and the and J. C. Jackson really no new updates
Speaker 2: on him, he's just rehaving so I think his availability
Speaker 2: remains a little bit of a mystery as we head
Speaker 2: into the offseason and eventually into training camp. Anything else
Speaker 2: that Staley said that stood out to you, money.
Speaker 1: I think so just talked about, you know, one of
Speaker 1: the things you already addressed, the Kellen Moore thing. I
Speaker 1: think his comments about Kellen and how they went and
Speaker 1: got him, I think it echoes what we've talked about here.
Speaker 1: One of the great things about Brandon Staley as a
Speaker 1: head coaches, he lets the offensive coordinator do what the
Speaker 1: offensive coordinator wants to do. He does not meddle, you know,
Speaker 1: the go forward on fourth down, the downs and stuff
Speaker 1: like that. Yeah, that's a head coach's responsibility. But it
Speaker 1: certainly sounded like Kellen's really good at this. We're looking
Speaker 1: forward to him doing what he wants to do here,
Speaker 1: and that's always encouraging when you see that. So, you know,
Speaker 1: he talked about Eric Kendricks sort of echoed what he
Speaker 1: had already mentioned I think in the presser about why
Speaker 1: they same with Tom, about why they went and got
Speaker 1: him and replaced Drew with him. So you know, you
Speaker 1: kind of have those comments about how you get the
Speaker 1: sense that, yeah, he's gonna be probably gonna, i think,
Speaker 1: take the green dot. If he's able to get everything
Speaker 1: squared away through training camp and is comfortable with the defense,
Speaker 1: it sounds like they want him to be that guy
Speaker 1: on defense just because that allows Drwin to cut loose
Speaker 1: a little bit. I think for people asking well, why
Speaker 1: isn't Derwin that guy, I think it's because Derwin can
Speaker 1: do so many different things, and there's so many different
Speaker 1: ways you can deploy him, and he may see something
Speaker 1: just the way he operates what I think, Yeah, it
Speaker 1: makes more sense to have that on someone else. So
Speaker 1: that's sort of one of the things I took away
Speaker 1: as well. I'm trying to think if there was anything else.
Speaker 1: There were some short answers in there. Felt like there
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, I don't want to talk about Herbert,
Speaker 1: not gonna talk about his contract now, I gonna talk
Speaker 1: about Austin. There was a lot of that in there
Speaker 1: as well.
Speaker 2: Final thing hopefully see a lot of you guys. Next Thursday,
Speaker 2: Money you're you and Adrian are hosting this thing. It's
Speaker 2: gonna be Listen, the charges don't select till twenty one.
Speaker 2: That means it's more long already, from one to twenty, right,
Speaker 2: it's gonna be.
Speaker 1: A long night. Yeah, Petros and I are gonna do
Speaker 1: the radio show there from three to five, and then
Speaker 1: we'll start the party. Adrian and I'll start the party
Speaker 1: at five when the draft gets underway and the Panthers
Speaker 1: are on the clock, and it sounds like there's gonna
Speaker 1: be quite a few people out there that are going
Speaker 1: to be made available to us, so have an opportunity,
Speaker 1: hopefully to hear from Drwin, to hear from Justin, to
Speaker 1: hear from a handful of other players, and certainly Charger
Speaker 1: legends gonna be out there. They do that every year
Speaker 1: as well, So we have a lot of fun. And look,
Speaker 1: the West Side tends to get neglected because it can
Speaker 1: be a bit of a pain to navigate. However, when
Speaker 1: you're stuck there, I shouldn't say stuck, but when you
Speaker 1: know you're going to camp out there from five until
Speaker 1: about you know, eight nine o'clock, maybe what the Heck,
Speaker 1: come on over and hang out. Seems like it's gonna
Speaker 1: be a nice backdrop the atrium there at the Culver
Speaker 1: City Culver City, No, Century City, Westfield, Sentry City. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Charges have done a great job with the draftman.
Speaker 2: Like I was in Vegas last year, it got to
Speaker 2: interview Zion, but you you were hosting that draft party
Speaker 2: at so Far, which was incredible.
Speaker 1: It looked incredible.
Speaker 2: I remember being at the pier with you in Santa Monica.
Speaker 2: That scene was crazy.
Speaker 1: I remember it was you.
Speaker 2: They picked Tillery, so it was like twenty nine overall
Speaker 2: twenty eight, Yeah, twenty eight, So I mean we were
Speaker 2: waiting all night, but it didn't matter. Like guys were
Speaker 2: coming on stage and and getting the crowd hyped up.
Speaker 2: It was a lot of fun. So I expect no
Speaker 2: different on.
Speaker 1: Thursday, no doubt.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 1: And look, there's still a ton of teams. You've got
Speaker 1: the Raiders that are picking at seven, I think, so
Speaker 1: that's gonna be of interest. You've got a lot of
Speaker 1: AFC teams up there, the Texans, the Colts, all those
Speaker 1: teams that we're going to be paying attention to. They're
Speaker 1: going to be drafting quarterbacks perhaps so there's still a
Speaker 1: lot of excitement over what's going on as opposed to
Speaker 1: just waiting for number twelve for sure, because it's all
Speaker 1: gonna affect with the Chargers to hundred percent.
Speaker 2: You know, all right, can't wait for it, buddy, Always
Speaker 2: appreciate your brother. We will see you guys next week,
Speaker 2: hopefully a century city for money of Chris. This has
Speaker 2: been charges weekly.
Speaker 1: All right, guys.
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