Speaker 1: Hey, what is up everybody? Welcome to the Chargers podcast network.
Speaker 1: If you're a little confused today, we are obviously not
Speaker 1: Chris Harry and Matt money Smith. My name is Stephen Haglan.
Speaker 1: This is my co host, Tyler Shoon. We are the
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Speaker 1: months ago, and we're gonna give it everything we have.
Speaker 1: You know, this is gonna be a great new partnership
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Speaker 1: this is something that is a huge opportunity for us
Speaker 1: and we can't wait to dive in. So Tyler, what's
Speaker 1: up man? How you doing today?
Speaker 2: I mean, shoot, Steven, We're here on the Chargers YouTube
Speaker 2: network and their podcast feed I'm feeling pretty darn good.
Speaker 2: I can't believe this is a thing. In January, when
Speaker 2: there was this idea of a partnership, we figured cool,
Speaker 2: so like we'll get to interview maybe another guy or
Speaker 2: something every once in a while and that will definitely
Speaker 2: still be the case. But when things were outlined to
Speaker 2: us about what this was going to be, you and I,
Speaker 2: I think we had pretty good poker faces during the meeting,
Speaker 2: but after school I called you like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, my gosh, Yeah, we were freaking out a little bit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was definitely it was. This is really a
Speaker 2: dream come true. It's going to go on my mount
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Speaker 2: having kids, and the Chargers on their podcast feed. I
Speaker 2: can't believe this is the thing. And again thinking to
Speaker 2: the whole organization everyone for getting behind us and making
Speaker 2: this work. I mean, what we have in store, we
Speaker 2: have planned, the kind of things that are coming down
Speaker 2: the pipeline, it's going to be pretty spectacular. This is new,
Speaker 2: this is different. It's kind of unprecedented for the Charges
Speaker 2: really to have this kind of access for I mean,
Speaker 2: who are we I don't know what we're doing here.
Speaker 2: Did someone lose a bet? But here we are, like,
Speaker 2: I can't believe this is happening, and I'm so excited
Speaker 2: to do this moving forward with the Chargers and of
Speaker 2: course with you, Steven Stephen. How are you feeling, I'm
Speaker 2: doing great.
Speaker 1: I'm a little there's a lot of nervous excitement energy
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Speaker 1: So before we get started in our first show on
Speaker 1: the Chargers channel, we do have to say we are fans.
Speaker 1: We are not employees of the Chargers. Our opinions that
Speaker 1: we express every single Tuesday are not reflective of the
Speaker 1: Chargers organization themselves. So we are going to do our best,
Speaker 1: obviously to provide honest and object active analysis as we
Speaker 1: have the last four years. Sometimes that might be a
Speaker 1: little bit of a disagreement with you know, how a
Speaker 1: Chargers employee might feel. Again, we are not employees. We
Speaker 1: are independent podcasting fans just here to provide some additional content.
Speaker 1: So our our opinions are not reflective one hundred percent
Speaker 1: of the time of the organization. So that being said,
Speaker 1: we are two days away from the draft as you
Speaker 1: guys are listening, so this is going to be essentially
Speaker 1: the the bow on our pre draft coverage. So we've
Speaker 1: done a ton of position rankings, We've done a few
Speaker 1: mock drafts. We've done some individual prospect profiles over on
Speaker 1: our own channel. Tyler and I have each graded around
Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty prospects in this draft classes. We've
Speaker 1: put in a ton of work watching film, watching all
Speaker 1: twenty two coaches tape to be able to provide this
Speaker 1: kind of content. So this is, like I said, this
Speaker 1: is our bow on the pre draft coverage. So what
Speaker 1: we're going to do today is talk about some my guys,
Speaker 1: some players that we are really pounding the table for,
Speaker 1: not necessarily for the Chargers, but just some players that
Speaker 1: we really have grown to love their games throughout this process.
Speaker 1: And then we are going to do a mock draft
Speaker 1: exercise after we cover that kind of topic. So we're
Speaker 1: gonna try and attack that angle predicting who the Chargers
Speaker 1: are ultimately going to select on Thursday night. So Tyler
Speaker 1: will start with you, man, We're gonna do offense, defense,
Speaker 1: and then we can do a wild card if you want,
Speaker 1: who's an offensive prospect let's say, outside of your first
Speaker 1: round grades that you are pounding the table as a
Speaker 1: my guy in this class.
Speaker 2: It has to be the guy that's been one of
Speaker 2: my favorites this whole time that I've mocked drafted to
Speaker 2: the Chargers. And maybe I won't today, but I've mocked
Speaker 2: him to the Chargers no fewer than one hundred and
Speaker 2: thirty seven times. And that's running back ty J. Spears
Speaker 2: out of Tulane. When we start evaluating prospects, we tend
Speaker 2: to look at a numbers based approach first. I tend
Speaker 2: to like to set up our composite, you know, stats
Speaker 2: based per play rankings, and Spears came in at number
Speaker 2: one on those rankings. But that doesn't always mean that
Speaker 2: that player is the best player, right. There are several
Speaker 2: players like last year for wide receiver, it was Jarriff
Speaker 2: Stearns out of Western Kentucky didn't go in the first round,
Speaker 2: I didn't go in the second round. I believe he
Speaker 2: was undrafted and went to the Bucks. So it doesn't
Speaker 2: always mean that they're the best player. And I certainly
Speaker 2: don't mean that Spears is the best player either. That's
Speaker 2: one Bijon Robinson at his position, but Spears stood out,
Speaker 2: so I started watching him after Bijon Robinson because of
Speaker 2: his ranking, and man, he just lived up to those numbers,
Speaker 2: and not every guy does. Spears did, and he just
Speaker 2: the numbers in general, sixty three misstackles forced over eighteen
Speaker 2: hundred scrimmage yards, almost seven yards per carry, nineteen touchdowns,
Speaker 2: thirteen hundred of those yards after contact or after the catch,
Speaker 2: which is absurd. We had Argent from Pro Football Focus
Speaker 2: ranked college backs based on their their translatable stats from
Speaker 2: college to the pros, and Spears was second. He's a
Speaker 2: second explosive run rate. Obviously, he's first in our sad
Speaker 2: Space composite rankings as well. He's just fantastic, and he's
Speaker 2: aced every bit of the process along the way. Loved
Speaker 2: him then and then he just did great at the
Speaker 2: Senior Bowl, and then at the Combine. You know, he's
Speaker 2: not the biggest guy. Of course, he wouldn't test really
Speaker 2: great there, but the other measurables were really really solid
Speaker 2: as well. So you watch him on film, you watch
Speaker 2: him in the numbers, you watch him with the analytics.
Speaker 2: Everything about him just screams this is a really solid,
Speaker 2: safe prospect. Overall. There is a caveat there because there's
Speaker 2: kind of a buzz or rumor floating around about some
Speaker 2: medicals being a bit off. I don't know really anything
Speaker 2: about that. I can't really speak on that, but Spears
Speaker 2: until that started dropping and coming out, Spears was my
Speaker 2: RB two, which was crazy because a lot of people
Speaker 2: are saying that Jimiy Gibbs is like very close to
Speaker 2: Bejohn Robinson, and I disagree there, but no one really
Speaker 2: has Spears RB two I did. I love watching this
Speaker 2: player so much. I love him so much, and he's
Speaker 2: such a my guy that even watching him dismantle USC,
Speaker 2: the team that I root for, even watching that him
Speaker 2: dismantle the Trojans to twelve point one yards per carry
Speaker 2: and two hundred nineteen total yards and four touchdowns, even
Speaker 2: with that, I could step back and go, all right, ya,
Speaker 2: he's pretty good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're being fans of ty J. Spears on this show.
Speaker 1: I think we've, like you said, mocked him on each
Speaker 1: of our shows, on each of our mock draft episodes.
Speaker 1: He's been selected to the Chargers, So you know, we'll
Speaker 1: see ultimately what happens with him, you know, in terms
Speaker 1: of the medical situation, but you know, on tape from
Speaker 1: a number's perspective, from a senior bole perspective, which we
Speaker 1: know is a big deal when it comes to how
Speaker 1: the Chargers really evaluate these prospects from outside of the
Speaker 1: top fifty and beyond. So ty Jer Spears outside of
Speaker 1: the medicals, checks a ton of boxes for us, and
Speaker 1: I think for the Chargers if they're able to, you know,
Speaker 1: get him in range. So for me, one of my
Speaker 1: favorite position groups in this class is the intier offensive
Speaker 1: line group. You know, it was a position group that
Speaker 1: I felt like I could watch, like probably for an
Speaker 1: entire week itself, just because I kept finding like these
Speaker 1: quality prospects to watch. Obviously, I'm a University of Utah
Speaker 1: alumni for those who know, So I could talk about
Speaker 1: Brandon Daniels, I feel like that's an obvious choice. So
Speaker 1: instead I'm going to go just up the road from
Speaker 1: the Chargers facility and talk about one John Gains from UCLA,
Speaker 1: somebody that really checks the versatility box that I think
Speaker 1: the Chargers are particularly looking for. So again, these guys
Speaker 1: are not necessarily like these are pounding the table for
Speaker 1: the charters, but I think for these two at least
Speaker 1: it works out so far. So John Gaines has experienced
Speaker 1: starting games for the Bruins at right tackle, left guard,
Speaker 1: and right guard, and a lot of people think that
Speaker 1: his best position could ultimately be center. So there's a
Speaker 1: lot of you know, position flex for him, which I
Speaker 1: know Brandon Staty has really put an emphasis on, as
Speaker 1: we saw obviously with Jamari Sallier this season and guys
Speaker 1: like Will Clap, et cetera. So from a film standpoint,
Speaker 1: I love watching him work. I think he's got, you know,
Speaker 1: high level athletic traits in terms of his length, in
Speaker 1: terms of his explosiveness, really able to get off the
Speaker 1: ball and get to the second level execute reach blocks
Speaker 1: at a really high level, which are super important in
Speaker 1: the kind of zone schemes that we know Killan Moore
Speaker 1: are going to want to run. So there's this very
Speaker 1: specific short shuttle number that Josh Norris and Hayden Winks
Speaker 1: have have been able to kind of do some research
Speaker 1: over that underdog Fantasy Sports, and you know, every single
Speaker 1: offensive lineman who has hit this short shuttle number has
Speaker 1: basically gone on to be a long term starter in
Speaker 1: the NFL. And John Gains is the only into your
Speaker 1: offensive lineman from this class to hit that number. So
Speaker 1: it's kind of a cheat code to get somebody who
Speaker 1: can really be explosive off the ball like that. And
Speaker 1: then I think there are some technique things that you
Speaker 1: have to consider for cleaning up. I mean, I'm not
Speaker 1: talking about know a second round guard by any means,
Speaker 1: not talking about a guy like Zion Johnson. But for
Speaker 1: the Chargers, for a team who wants, you know, a
Speaker 1: fourth round guard who can be a swing player right away,
Speaker 1: maybe be a long term center. I think would check
Speaker 1: a lot of boxes. So John Gains, I'm a big
Speaker 1: fan of his work, you know from his tape and
Speaker 1: then I think you know his RAS score as well
Speaker 1: from an athletic profile. Is definitely one to really like
Speaker 1: in this class.
Speaker 2: He's awesome and I think in terms of yards run
Speaker 2: during a game, he's next two wide receivers. I think
Speaker 2: that that can move. Yeah, absolutely fantastic. I'm curious. I
Speaker 2: think everyone seems to like him, and I think the
Speaker 2: numbers are great, and I think that the r S
Speaker 2: is great and the film is solid. Why do you
Speaker 2: think he's not higher on let's say the consensus board
Speaker 2: then he should be.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's been a puzzling one. I think after the
Speaker 1: combine he's certainly shot up PFF board. I think if
Speaker 1: you go on to PFF's simulator nowadays, he's he's probably
Speaker 1: a third round, fourth round pick. But you look at
Speaker 1: the consensus bart he's certainly down down the ranks, which
Speaker 1: I don't necessarily understand either, So maybe it's you know,
Speaker 1: he plays next to Antonio Maffi, who's another guard as
Speaker 1: well that I think could make a lot of sense
Speaker 1: for the charters. He's a little bit more splashy, a
Speaker 1: little bit more physical, maybe kind of getting a little
Speaker 1: bit overshadowed by his own teammates, so that could be
Speaker 1: something I think could be working against him. But I
Speaker 1: think people who really you know, have watched a ton
Speaker 1: of tape as we know the Chargers coaches and scouting
Speaker 1: staff have, I think John Gains will be able to
Speaker 1: stand out for them. So I ultimately do think he's
Speaker 1: going to be like a fourth maybe late third round
Speaker 1: kind of player for them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I could see that in that third round compick
Speaker 2: sort of range, And the guy I want to talk
Speaker 2: about for defense, I feel I could fall in that
Speaker 2: range to that late third round comp maybe fourth round,
Speaker 2: And it really just comes down to the size thing,
Speaker 2: and that's Trevius Hodges Tomlinson, the corner out of TCU
Speaker 2: as my defensive my guy. If that name sounds familiar,
Speaker 2: that's Ladanian Tomlinson's nephew. If you're feeling old now, welcome
Speaker 2: join the club. Because I got to watch la Danian,
Speaker 2: Tomlinson's nephew in his senior year of college on film
Speaker 2: this year, and it was really a tie between you know,
Speaker 2: him and Marvin Mims for that kind of my guy,
Speaker 2: the guys that play above their weight class and outside
Speaker 2: of their their physical frame. And he's really Wolverine out
Speaker 2: there to me. And that's kind of also partially the
Speaker 2: height thing. Although I think Wolverine is five to two,
Speaker 2: I believe someone nerdier than me able to.
Speaker 1: Wow, we got a Wolverine reference on the show.
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely won't talk about Michigan. I like them, but
Speaker 2: we can talk about Wolverine the MCU character, but an
Speaker 2: absolute animal against the run on short passes, he's so instinctive,
Speaker 2: he's so quick, he attacks everything in front of him.
Speaker 2: But then in coverage he's got that whopping twenty eight
Speaker 2: passes broken up in five picks the last three seasons
Speaker 2: and really at all points.
Speaker 1: Of the field.
Speaker 2: There's definitely some risk reward there with him. A part
Speaker 2: of that is him as a prospect and his physical
Speaker 2: profile and the way he plays and okay, there's fourteen
Speaker 2: penalties in there too, but you know what, he's still
Speaker 2: on my guy. Even with those penalties, he's still only
Speaker 2: allowed right. The reward of that is that he only
Speaker 2: allowed thirty four percent of the passes to be completed.
Speaker 2: His way for a passer writing a forty two point five,
Speaker 2: And again I talked about the numbers, the play style,
Speaker 2: the way he plays the run. They have him as
Speaker 2: a box safety, sometimes taking on tight ends, taking on polers.
Speaker 2: This is a guy that's five eight and not exactly
Speaker 2: you know, going to show out in the physical prototype
Speaker 2: in terms of size and weight and that sort of thing.
Speaker 2: And yet he's out there doing some very very difficult
Speaker 2: things that someone his you know, quote unquote size, really
Speaker 2: should not be asked to do. But he was doing it.
Speaker 2: So I loved watching him. I love the way he
Speaker 2: plays definitely risk and reward. There not a guy who's
Speaker 2: going to go in the first or second round. But
Speaker 2: I had a ton of fun watching him. And hey,
Speaker 2: how many times do you get to watch a Tomlinson
Speaker 2: on film for college?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 2: Not many times?
Speaker 1: Yeah, we we got to watch Ladenian's nephew in a
Speaker 1: couple of years. Well, great Antonio Gates junior, So you know,
Speaker 1: definitely a feeling old when I saw that tweet come
Speaker 1: across the timeline from there from Michigan State's spring game.
Speaker 1: So you chose a corner, I'm also going to choose
Speaker 1: a corner who I'm significantly higher on than than most people,
Speaker 1: it seems, and that's Darius Rush from South Carolina, a
Speaker 1: former wide receiver at South Carolina, so he actually did
Speaker 1: not play cornerback. Basically, he played corner as a sophomore
Speaker 1: in high school and didn't play it again until he
Speaker 1: was a junior at South Carolina, so there's not a
Speaker 1: ton of reps to him. And typically when you get
Speaker 1: a cornerback prospect who is a former wide receiver, you
Speaker 1: know there's a lot of mistakes in terms of you know,
Speaker 1: coverage penalties or you know, not being able to match
Speaker 1: routes at the at the highest level, or maybe there's
Speaker 1: some you know, tackling woes because we know wide receivers
Speaker 1: are are not typically the most physical guys unless you're
Speaker 1: talking about like a Drake lun or somebody that really
Speaker 1: wants to, you know, go at you. And that's just
Speaker 1: not the case with Darius Rush. And you know, his
Speaker 1: teammate Cam Smith is getting a lot of hype and
Speaker 1: I think deserve rely so. But I think when you
Speaker 1: watch Darius Rush, you don't see the kind of mistakes
Speaker 1: that you see with these other kind of cornerbacks. And
Speaker 1: he was second in the class in terms of fewest penalties.
Speaker 1: He was fifth in the class in terms of forced
Speaker 1: incompletion percentage. And so there's a lot to like here
Speaker 1: from an athletic profile standpoint, from a number standpoint, and
Speaker 1: also from an upside standpoint. Like I said, this is
Speaker 1: a guy who has not played cornerback for very long,
Speaker 1: and he was already, you know, a top tier cornerback
Speaker 1: in the SEC. He went down to the Senior Bowl
Speaker 1: and a lot of people who were there have kind
Speaker 1: of said that he was the best cornerback of the
Speaker 1: week that week. So you know, we really see him
Speaker 1: on tape. B I want to say, I want to
Speaker 1: describe him as like a junk yard dog, somebody who's
Speaker 1: just really always fighting for every single rep because I
Speaker 1: think he knows that he has some ground to make
Speaker 1: up from these guys who have played cornerback for you know,
Speaker 1: seven eight years of their lives. So Darius Rush is
Speaker 1: somebody that I could really see, you know, sneak into
Speaker 1: the second round in this group. We've we've talked on
Speaker 1: our show how stacked this cornerback group is. And Darius Rush,
Speaker 1: I think, you know, when you're when you're kind of
Speaker 1: looking past like Cornerback five, I think you're looking at
Speaker 1: some guys who maybe have some some scheme question marks,
Speaker 1: you know, like a Kille Ringo from Georgia might be
Speaker 1: best suited in like a cover three press man system,
Speaker 1: or or you know, you might be looking at somebody
Speaker 1: who's like exclusively a slot corner, like my guy Clark
Speaker 1: Phillips in the NFL. But Darius Rush can do a
Speaker 1: lot of different things. And you know he even took
Speaker 1: some reps at safety at South Carolina too for good measure.
Speaker 1: So I love the effort that he plays with. I
Speaker 1: love how few mistakes he is able to put out
Speaker 1: on tape, and I think there's just a ton of
Speaker 1: upside because of his lack of experience at cornerback. So
Speaker 1: Darius Rush to somebody I'm higher on than most people
Speaker 1: out there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I did not realize that Darius Rush had that
Speaker 2: history of being a wide receiver first and then converting
Speaker 2: from there. That's that's great. I think we both had
Speaker 2: Rush over Smith, if I'm not mistaken. And sometimes that's
Speaker 2: tough when you have two guys on the same team.
Speaker 2: Sometimes you might prefer the guy who doesn't always cover
Speaker 2: the number one because you know he's covering the number two,
Speaker 2: so maybe things are easier. But sure, watching all the
Speaker 2: games of Rush Man like he was able to do
Speaker 2: so many things so well, he just went through the
Speaker 2: list of all the different things that he could do,
Speaker 2: whether it's a run, whether it's in coverage, whatever. And
Speaker 2: there are some guys in that range, like you said,
Speaker 2: like Ringo, maybe you're looking at like a DJ Turner,
Speaker 2: who is a great athlete, of course, but then maybe
Speaker 2: there's some concerns about where he plays. Does he play outside,
Speaker 2: does he play inside? Are you worried about the height
Speaker 2: that sort of thing. Someone like Rush, especially if he
Speaker 2: falls to the third round, someone i'd love for the Chargers.
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, all right, Tyler. One more quick one here,
Speaker 1: another player you are pounding the table four in this class.
Speaker 2: That would be Penn State's Giu Brown. When I saw
Speaker 2: him line up in a three point stance and take
Speaker 2: on a pulling guard against Michigan and dropped the running
Speaker 2: back for a loss. I went, yeah, that guy, that's
Speaker 2: the best thing I've seen all year. And then he
Speaker 2: covered your ears.
Speaker 1: Steven Weird talk about it though, Yeah.
Speaker 2: I gotta talk about it. Embarrassed Utah's right tackle for
Speaker 2: a sack that was incredible, knocked Cam Rising out of
Speaker 2: the game, which I'm not condoning. I'm just saying, I'm
Speaker 2: not saying that's a good thing, but then picked off
Speaker 2: the backup two plays later. He is so much fun
Speaker 2: to watch. Not exactly a physical prototype at the position.
Speaker 2: Although he's listed as a free safety. I think he's
Speaker 2: better as more of a strong safety closer to the
Speaker 2: line of scrimmage. And if you run his ris at
Speaker 2: strong safety, it goes up from like fiftieth percentile like
Speaker 2: sixty seven, So you know, hey give him that. But
Speaker 2: he was a ton of fun to watch. He's so
Speaker 2: good at the line of scrimmage. Fifteen pressures, five sacks,
Speaker 2: twenty seven run stops last year, to pair with ten
Speaker 2: interceptions the last two years. I really like watching him.
Speaker 2: I love the way he plays Again. Safety lines up
Speaker 2: in three points st takes on the pulling guard and
Speaker 2: drops off a running back for a loss at the
Speaker 2: goal line. You really can't find anything in the draft
Speaker 2: that's like that at safety, and there are a lot
Speaker 2: of guys in this class who you know, people liked
Speaker 2: him for different reasons, but I think almost overall, with
Speaker 2: all these safeties, most of them aren't that great against
Speaker 2: the run or they're not great tacklers. And I think
Speaker 2: Brown just watching him, I don't recall exactly what the
Speaker 2: numbers are, but just watching he's one of those guys
Speaker 2: that is excellent against the run, playing in that box.
Speaker 2: I loved watching him. Brown is one of my guys.
Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely like him as well. I did not rewatch
Speaker 1: the Rose Bulls, still have not done that. I don't
Speaker 1: think I ever met one. All Right, My last one
Speaker 1: here is going to be Purdue tight end Pain Durham.
Speaker 1: You know, this tight end class is absolutely stacked to
Speaker 1: the brim with quality playmakers. We will probably see at
Speaker 1: least two of them be first round picks in Dalton
Speaker 1: Kaid and Michael Mayer. And I specifically want to talk
Speaker 1: about Pain Durham because to me, a lot of what
Speaker 1: you here NFL teams talking about in terms of like
Speaker 1: NFL Draft is like, well, if we miss out on
Speaker 1: this player earlier, who can we get later. That's kind
Speaker 1: of similar. And to me, Paine Derham is like your
Speaker 1: discount version of Michael Mahyer, somebody who is going to
Speaker 1: be your typical inline, physical, dirty work tight end, but
Speaker 1: can also do a lot of the receiving work as well.
Speaker 1: You know, we saw about twenty five percent of his
Speaker 1: snaps at Purdue come from the slot. He's able to
Speaker 1: go out and do that, and he's got a contested
Speaker 1: catch rate that's right up there with Michael Mayor's as well.
Speaker 1: So he's somebody that he can work the seams, he
Speaker 1: can work as an inline blocker, he can do some
Speaker 1: h back stuff. I mean, this guy took a fullback
Speaker 1: diver about the Senior Bowl as well, just for good measure.
Speaker 1: So I think there's a lot of versatility there, somebody
Speaker 1: that Kellen Moore would have a lot of fun with.
Speaker 1: And you know, he's not the most explosive athletic tight
Speaker 1: end in this class. You know a lot of those
Speaker 1: guys will go earlier than him. But when it comes
Speaker 1: to you know, day three, if the charters have not missed,
Speaker 1: if they have not been able to find a tight end.
Speaker 1: Pain Durham is somebody I think, would you know, come
Speaker 1: in and really be able to marry the run game
Speaker 1: in the past game like Brandon Staley has talked about
Speaker 1: a lot this offseason. So he plays like somebody whose
Speaker 1: name is pain, Like he wants to hurt you as
Speaker 1: much as he possibly can within the legal rules of football.
Speaker 1: So he's somebody who's a lot of fun to watch
Speaker 1: and I think he checks a good amount of boxes
Speaker 1: for teams who want like a Day three, physical blocking
Speaker 1: tight end who can also offer some receiving upside as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's on my list of my guys. I wasn't
Speaker 2: sure how many we'd get to, but Payon Durham was
Speaker 2: one of those guys and also just an underrated guy.
Speaker 2: There are several tight ends in this class. Maybe it's
Speaker 2: because of the tight end class overall, but these guys
Speaker 2: are really, really solid. I totally get that. But Durham
Speaker 2: isn't all that different than most of them, and frankly,
Speaker 2: I think he's better than some of them. Yet you
Speaker 2: see him at one eighty or two hundred on boards
Speaker 2: and I just don't buy that. And that was a
Speaker 2: great comparison to Michael Mayer. I believe the difference between
Speaker 2: them and yards after the catch per perception is zero
Speaker 2: point two yards. Maybe I'm making that up. I don't know,
Speaker 2: but neither of them are exis yack guys, not speed guys,
Speaker 2: maybe not like a Will Mallory type for example, but
Speaker 2: both really solid players. And I love that way of
Speaker 2: looking at things. I know Brett Coleman for example, and
Speaker 2: them on the Bootleg Football podcast they do another guys
Speaker 2: sort of thing where if you can't get this guy
Speaker 2: in round one, round two, who can you get later?
Speaker 2: And Pain Durham is a guy I always circle back to.
Speaker 2: If I don't get someone in the first three rounds,
Speaker 2: I can always get Pain Durham two rounds later and
Speaker 2: feel almost just as good.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think when it comes to the Chargers specifically,
Speaker 1: you know, we know that. Excuse me, Jerald Everrett is
Speaker 1: going to be that big wide receiver almost he can
Speaker 1: he can block for sure, you know in the regard
Speaker 1: Donald Parham does a lot of the inline stuff too,
Speaker 1: But they need somebody who can you know, add some
Speaker 1: some in terms of the blocking game, and I think
Speaker 1: Pain Durham would do that. I think Michael Mayer would
Speaker 1: do that as well for what it's worth. Absolutely all right,
Speaker 1: So let's get to the bulk of our show here,
Speaker 1: you know, and that is our final mock draft of
Speaker 1: the cycle. We're going to try and attack this with
Speaker 1: a predictive sense in terms of just instead of picking
Speaker 1: the guys that we all really like, you know, we
Speaker 1: are going to try and you know, put our Tom
Speaker 1: to Lasco, Brandon stay camps on and figure out potentially
Speaker 1: who might be you know, the ultimate pick come Thursday night,
Speaker 1: Friday night. We're also going to talk about some trade
Speaker 1: down selections as well if that ultimately comes up. So, Tyler,
Speaker 1: let's get let's get started here. I can't wait to
Speaker 1: do our final mock draft of the cycle.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, here we go, all.
Speaker 1: Right, So let's go over really quickly who came off
Speaker 1: the board before the Chargers picked, and then we'll look
Speaker 1: at some of the options that are on the board.
Speaker 2: Some guys that went off the board, and one of
Speaker 2: them being Zay Flowers went to the Seahawks at twenty,
Speaker 2: So there goes that entire discussion. Dalton Kincaid at eighteen
Speaker 2: to the Lions. That's a lot of fun. Miles Murphy
Speaker 2: to the Packers, Quinton Johnston to the Patriots and Jackson
Speaker 2: Smith and Jigba to the Titans, which hurts my soul
Speaker 2: a bit. That's okay, and then Lucas van Nest the Eagles,
Speaker 2: which I believe is picking up some team. So you
Speaker 2: want to talk about who is left, and we're looking at,
Speaker 2: of course, Bijon Robinson, Jordan Addison, Brian Branch, Michael Mayer,
Speaker 2: Kalijah Canci, Brian Brazzy, Jamior Gibbs, and Will McDonald. That
Speaker 2: feels like kind of the cut off there for guys
Speaker 2: they'd be looking at.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so this is an interesting scenario. I do think
Speaker 1: Will Levis, who's on the board here, will ultimately be
Speaker 1: off the board at this point. But this is exactly
Speaker 1: what you're looking for in terms of potential trade down scenarios, right, Like,
Speaker 1: I think a lot of us would have a hard
Speaker 1: time with them trading off of Jon Robinson. But maybe
Speaker 1: in this instance you could call the Buffalo Bills and say, hey,
Speaker 1: come offer us your third round pick, we'll move down
Speaker 1: and we can maybe get some kind of impact player
Speaker 1: at twenty seven. You know, the Cowboys of course need
Speaker 1: a running back in the post. Ezekiel Elliott World. So
Speaker 1: I think a lot of Like I said me personally,
Speaker 1: I would have a hard time passing on Jon Robinson
Speaker 1: in this kind of scenario. But I do think, you know,
Speaker 1: having him, Jordan Andison, Darnell Wright, these guys who some
Speaker 1: of these teams in the back half of the twenties
Speaker 1: might be vying for, might be a real possible trade
Speaker 1: down scenario, which Brandon Staley and Tom Telesco I've talked
Speaker 1: about a few times in this cycle so far.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know all the needs of every team,
Speaker 2: but someone like the Bills, like you mentioned, is a
Speaker 2: great call for Addison, someone like Darnell Right, maybe Michael Mayer,
Speaker 2: depending on what the Bengals want. So there are definitely
Speaker 2: some options there. I would love to slide to about
Speaker 2: twenty seven or later. So twenty seven, twenty eight, twenty nine,
Speaker 2: thirty read Daniel Popper's article from The Athletic. Plenty of
Speaker 2: different scenarios there. So in most instances, I'm screaming to
Speaker 2: trade down because I would love to trade down. The
Speaker 2: Chargers need it, you know, Herbert's about to get his
Speaker 2: big deal at some point. Yeah, and you're going to
Speaker 2: need more rookies and frankly, if all you did was
Speaker 2: get a sixth rounder out of trading down, I'd be
Speaker 2: happy because look at who the Charges have taken in
Speaker 2: the sixth round the last couple of years. I mean,
Speaker 2: I'd love to get another shot at a Jamari Sallier
Speaker 2: or Jah Tailor like they just did this past season.
Speaker 2: So ye, you know, of course I'd like more than that.
Speaker 2: I would love a top seventy five pick. I'd love
Speaker 2: a third rounder, but even if you trade down a
Speaker 2: little bit, I'd be happy with that. With that said,
Speaker 2: if Bejon Robinson is here at twenty one, I do
Speaker 2: not believe for one second the Chargers would move off
Speaker 2: of that pick.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is something that we've talked a lot about
Speaker 1: in terms of the athletic aspect of how the Chargers
Speaker 1: do business in the first round in particular, and you
Speaker 1: look at how important the athletic testing is to the Chargers,
Speaker 1: and we've seen that over the past few years, past
Speaker 1: few past few years, whether that's obviously the recently Zion
Speaker 1: and Rashaan Slater, but also Kenneth Murray was an elite
Speaker 1: ARIS tester. You know, Derwin James obviously another elite ARIS
Speaker 1: score for himself. So the Chargers have really prioritized elite
Speaker 1: athleticism in the first round. I think it's one of
Speaker 1: the reasons why they've been able to have a lot
Speaker 1: of success in the first round under Tom Telasco. And
Speaker 1: you've pointed this out several times as well, Like idealing
Speaker 1: in the first round, you're looking for a player who
Speaker 1: has that combination of the athletic test of the character
Speaker 1: of the elite film so to speak. And also you know,
Speaker 1: like the position value we can talk about, but you know,
Speaker 1: I think of the players on this board, the only
Speaker 1: one who checks all of those boxes is Bjon Robinson.
Speaker 1: Like I know that there's a lot of people out
Speaker 1: there who kind of devalue the running back position. And
Speaker 1: you know, the Chargers have Austin Eckler and we can
Speaker 1: certainly talk about that that as well. But to me,
Speaker 1: if Bijon's on the board, like that's a no brainer,
Speaker 1: I'm sprinting that card in because he checks so many
Speaker 1: boxes for them. And yes, you could point it from
Speaker 1: a well, this is taking the ball out of justin
Speaker 1: Herbert's hands, so to speak. But both Eckler and b
Speaker 1: Jon Robinson can work as as as receivers. You know,
Speaker 1: the coaches at Texas wanted to really emphasize Bjon's ability
Speaker 1: to run routes from from the receiving room. And when
Speaker 1: you have a guy like Roshan Johnson as your running mate,
Speaker 1: like you're able to do that. But you know, there
Speaker 1: are some reps against Iowa State in particular, where he's
Speaker 1: in the slot running a post route right or against
Speaker 1: Alabama where he's running a wheel route from the backfield.
Speaker 1: And I think that Kellen Moore would have so much
Speaker 1: fun being able to utilize Beijon Robinson as a chess piece,
Speaker 1: not just a stereotypical running back. And I think that's
Speaker 1: how a lot of anti running back types really need
Speaker 1: to view Bejon. He's not just like he's not a
Speaker 1: ground and pound running back, Like he can do so
Speaker 1: many different things for you. So ultimately, if he is
Speaker 1: on the board for the Chargers, I think you absolutely
Speaker 1: have to sprint this card in and select him.
Speaker 2: I would one percent agree. And in this case, you know,
Speaker 2: if there's an edge rusher here, different conversation. But I
Speaker 2: just don't believe that. I mean, there's a lot of
Speaker 2: connections to Addison. Of course, I like the player a
Speaker 2: lot both of us do. He would be an excellent
Speaker 2: addition to the Chargers. I just they have to show
Speaker 2: me that they're willing to change the way they've drafted
Speaker 2: or signed receivers in the past for me to believe
Speaker 2: that they'll actually do this. So if they take Addison
Speaker 2: or they take Zay Flowers, if he's there, I'll go, hey, okay,
Speaker 2: now I know that they are willing to do that.
Speaker 2: But you know, someone like Zay Flowers with height or Addison,
Speaker 2: I mean Jordan Adison. They're prototype at wide receivers I
Speaker 2: think like two hundred and three pounds, and that's including
Speaker 2: Kellen Moore's receivers as well. And Jordan Adison is one
Speaker 2: seventy one. That's one pound lighter than Travis Benjamin. No shade,
Speaker 2: like hey, cool light, heavy, whatever. It's just not what
Speaker 2: the Chargers have been doing in the draft. Now, I
Speaker 2: get it. Why would they do the same things they've
Speaker 2: been doing. Why would they go after another, you know,
Speaker 2: bigger type. I totally get those questions. But until the
Speaker 2: Chargers are ready to look at the receiver position differently,
Speaker 2: or at least in terms of the guys that they
Speaker 2: select or sign, I got to assume that Addison, while
Speaker 2: a fantastic player, is not really as much in consideration here.
Speaker 2: And frankly, I do believe there's enough guys later on
Speaker 2: where I'm okay passing on him, of course, Branch, So yeah,
Speaker 2: to me, this is Bejon Robinson.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think if you trade down and Addison's still there,
Speaker 1: I think that becomes more of a conversation. But in
Speaker 1: this instance, we're gonna take Beijon and be very with
Speaker 1: this pick.
Speaker 2: Yeah, listen, we're just pandering to the new audience who
Speaker 2: found us on here. If we didn't pick Bijon, we'd
Speaker 2: be kicked off the stream immediately.
Speaker 1: So yeah, you know, and if it's right, and if
Speaker 1: it's with the theme channel, right, we know Matt money
Speaker 1: Smith and Chris Harry love the potential of adding Bijon
Speaker 1: Robinson as well. All Right, so pick fifty four here,
Speaker 1: let's look at some players recently off the board. Obviously
Speaker 1: two belowtu right there for the Bears, and then we'll
Speaker 1: look at add it to mian At Cody Mak the
Speaker 1: offensive tackle from not from North Dakota State, almost a
Speaker 1: Notre Dame there, Felix Andre d ku Ozama, who's somebody
Speaker 1: I would really like to be there at fifty four,
Speaker 1: Steve Avila, Keon White, Bijono Jeli, So lots are not
Speaker 1: Bijon bj Ojalari, So a little bit of a run
Speaker 1: on edge Rusher here. So Tyler, let's go. Let's look
Speaker 1: at some options here at fifty four.
Speaker 2: Okay, so some of the options available in terms of
Speaker 2: the consensus board. Linebacker Drew Sanders, running back Zach Sharboney,
Speaker 2: safety Antonio Johnson, ed rusher Isaiah Foski. There's your no connection,
Speaker 2: Julius Brent, who would be awesome here as well, Ed
Speaker 2: rusher Derek Hall, who I do believe fits some of
Speaker 2: their physical prototypes. Keanu Benton, who's getting a lot of buzz.
Speaker 2: Sam Laporta. Of course, there's a lot of really good
Speaker 2: players here. We can specifically look at a different position
Speaker 2: if you want, but those are the guys really in
Speaker 2: the consensus board.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's look at wide receiver because I know that
Speaker 1: there's a lot of love out there for this wide
Speaker 1: receiver class too. So looks like we got your guy,
Speaker 1: Sedric Tillman on here. Marra Mims, so we mentioned briefly
Speaker 1: on the show earlier, Tank Dell that's Nathaniel Dell, Tyler Scott,
Speaker 1: Jonathan Mingo at Perry Jane Reed. So this is really
Speaker 1: why I'm a big proponent personally of not taking a
Speaker 1: wide receiver in the first round, because you can get
Speaker 1: a board like this and have a lot of different
Speaker 1: options here. So, Tyler, where are you potentially focusing at
Speaker 1: in terms of wide receiver for the Chargers here.
Speaker 2: There's been something in my brain for weeks now, and
Speaker 2: it's only gotten worse and worse. That's Jonathan Mingo here.
Speaker 2: Although when we lasted our mock draft with Chargers wire,
Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, I can wait for him in
Speaker 2: the fourth round. That's fine, he'll be there now. Daniel
Speaker 2: Jeremiah is talking about him as a potential first rounder.
Speaker 2: I don't know if that's going to happen, but there
Speaker 2: are there are so many receivers even just looking here,
Speaker 2: there are so many good receivers here. I'm sure Josh
Speaker 2: Downs went a bit earlier too. There's so many good
Speaker 2: receivers here, but they all have some size question marks.
Speaker 2: Even if you love some of these players. I have
Speaker 2: Marvin Mims over Jonathan Mingo, right, I have someone over Mingo. Obviously,
Speaker 2: these guys are great players, but you worry about that
Speaker 2: size profile. To me, Mingo just checks so many of
Speaker 2: the Chargers boxes, both in terms of the physical profile
Speaker 2: as well as just kind of what they're lacking. And
Speaker 2: I'm obviously going for Mingo here, so I might as
Speaker 2: well talk about him if you. Unfortunately, on screens last season,
Speaker 2: I noticed that Josh Palmer had a concussion on one,
Speaker 2: and Keenan on FuMB against the Chiefs on another one,
Speaker 2: and Mike Williams fractured his back on another screen. I'd
Speaker 2: love for Mingo to try those out, because I do
Speaker 2: think he presents a physical type in terms of speed
Speaker 2: and twitch that I think is maybe more desirable for
Speaker 2: those situations. He hit, as someone posted today, twenty two
Speaker 2: point one miles per hour I believe, which was ninety
Speaker 2: ninth percentile. It was that goball against Vanderbilt, which of
Speaker 2: course the quarterback underthrew. He caught it at the one
Speaker 2: yard line, so good for him, but wasn't a touchdown there. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you want a shallow crosser, some guy with yak, some
Speaker 2: guy who can take a screen, you name it. I
Speaker 2: can point you to any different part of a film
Speaker 2: of the film on some different game where he's doing
Speaker 2: something that I just think the Chargers are lacking at
Speaker 2: this point, and you get to continue to have your
Speaker 2: Keenanan do what he does and Mike Williams do what
Speaker 2: he does, and Josh Palmer can continue to develop. Someone
Speaker 2: like Mingo you can add to the room and do
Speaker 2: so much with him without having to compromise the development
Speaker 2: of a Josh Palmer or the investment you've made in
Speaker 2: Keenan and Mike. Mingo is someone who can round out
Speaker 2: your boom, do so many things for you while again
Speaker 2: not compromising the investments you've made in the receiver position.
Speaker 2: If anything, it just complements it perfectly.
Speaker 1: Yeah. From a science profile standpoint, from a physical profile standpoint,
Speaker 1: Mingo definitely stands out in this class. You know, his
Speaker 1: ability to get vertical against press and against off coverage
Speaker 1: is really something that has stood out to me. He
Speaker 1: was a big Senior Bowl standout as well, and we
Speaker 1: know that that is a very important aspect to the
Speaker 1: Charges and how they do business under Tom Telesco. So
Speaker 1: Mingo is definitely in consideration here. I do want to
Speaker 1: look briefly at the cornerback class. If we could go
Speaker 1: to that group, obviously DJ Turner and Julius Brants, Tyreek Stevenson,
Speaker 1: Clark Phillips here, so Darius Rush my guy who I
Speaker 1: mentioned earlier today. So this is a really stacked cornerback group.
Speaker 1: And you know, we have kind of talked about the
Speaker 1: potential of the Chargers looking at cornerback earlier than people
Speaker 1: might think, because of Michael Davis being a free agent
Speaker 1: next year, because of j C. Jackson potentially starting the
Speaker 1: year not at one hundred percent. So I mean, he's
Speaker 1: been looking great in his recovery videos. He posted a
Speaker 1: video earlier last week of him running for the first time,
Speaker 1: So hoping for the best there. But from the Chargers perspective,
Speaker 1: you know, we know how much brand and say the
Speaker 1: values cornerback here. So I'm tempted. I'm really tempted to
Speaker 1: take Julius Brents from Kansas State the cornerback who could
Speaker 1: give them just a different kind of size profile, physicality
Speaker 1: profile at the cornerback position. Could be your heir apparent
Speaker 1: to Michael Davis after next season. So I I would
Speaker 1: my heart would tell me mingo. But I do think
Speaker 1: there's a little part of my brain that's saying, like, hey,
Speaker 1: the Chargers might look at cornerback in this in this
Speaker 1: scenario two.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Brents is definitely that player. If he falls that,
Speaker 2: I think they would certainly consider just a physical prototype
Speaker 2: again at the position, someone that they would look at
Speaker 2: and say, hey, that's like fits what we want to do,
Speaker 2: and he doesn't have to be the guy day one,
Speaker 2: that sort of thing. So it really just comes down
Speaker 2: to the big question of how is JC progressing. Is
Speaker 2: he going to be available by week four, in which
Speaker 2: case you have three starters, or is this going to
Speaker 2: be an entire season of him not getting completely healthy? Yeah,
Speaker 2: then maybe heading into the postseason he's finally got the
Speaker 2: reps underneath him. I don't know. If it were a
Speaker 2: more catastrophic I guess a worse outlook prognosis for one J. C. Jackson,
Speaker 2: then maybe I would consider Brent's here more over Mingo.
Speaker 2: But I'm still looking at a receiver at this point.
Speaker 2: Although there is a decent shot you can get Mingo
Speaker 2: in this simulation. You can get him in round three,
Speaker 2: so I wouldn't mind doing that because Brents isn't going
Speaker 2: to be there in round three. In the simulation, Mingo
Speaker 2: is going to be there. Or potentially could be there
Speaker 2: in round three. But if you look at ESPN's analytics model,
Speaker 2: there's only an eight percent chance that Mingo is going
Speaker 2: to be there in round three. So even though on
Speaker 2: this board he he's eighty fourth or whatever he is,
Speaker 2: there's only eight percent chance he's going to be there. Now,
Speaker 2: do you have to take Mingo? Is your entire draft
Speaker 2: built around taking him? I don't think so. I just
Speaker 2: I have a hard time passing up someone who fits
Speaker 2: the Chargers I think so well, and checks all of
Speaker 2: their boxes because as we get to you know, some
Speaker 2: later points. Yes, there are some guys who fit their
Speaker 2: physical prototype, let's say at Perry or even later like
Speaker 2: Bryce Ford Wheaton. Those guys fit what they're looking for.
Speaker 2: I just don't know that compliments the room. And then
Speaker 2: I don't really know if someone like Mims or Tyler
Speaker 2: Scott or Tank Dell are some of the Chargers would
Speaker 2: be interested in. So to me, it's wide receiver or
Speaker 2: its corner. Maybe an edge rusher if he's here, Someone
Speaker 2: like Isaiah Fosky, you know who, I think should be
Speaker 2: talked about more as an option for the Chargers. I
Speaker 2: know people aren't a huge fan but hey, productive player
Speaker 2: fits their prototype, fits what they would want. Went to
Speaker 2: Notre Dame is really good against the run. I understand
Speaker 2: why they took him here too. So really what we're
Speaker 2: talking about here is a premium position after running back.
Speaker 2: You have to invest in those premium positions because that's important.
Speaker 2: And we saw last year the Chargers, you know, not
Speaker 2: have the hottest season because of you know, corner deficits
Speaker 2: or edge rushers or wide receivers. So I think investing
Speaker 2: in either of those year is great. I'll defer to
Speaker 2: you on this one. If you want Brent, I'm totally
Speaker 2: happy with that. He's ahead of Mingo on my big board,
Speaker 2: so I would get it. So I'll defer to you
Speaker 2: on this one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, really quickly. In terms of the edge rushers, I
Speaker 1: think if you miss out on the first one in
Speaker 1: a first rounder, I think you probably are waiting and
Speaker 1: maybe you know, calling convent oily back up after the
Speaker 1: draft and saying like, hey, come come back. We'll do
Speaker 1: the same thing with you as last year, and then
Speaker 1: you address your long term need there later on in
Speaker 1: the drafter or next year. So for me, like I'm
Speaker 1: trying to become a more explosive team and that that
Speaker 1: can be accomplished through getting a cornerback who can give
Speaker 1: you some more interceptions, more hands on the footballs, or
Speaker 1: you can talk about a wide receiver. So I know
Speaker 1: that he's lower. I do think that Mingo would ultimately
Speaker 1: be a strong consideration here, and just you know, take
Speaker 1: this offense up a completely different notch with Jon Robinson
Speaker 1: and Mingo. So it's not gonna give us the best
Speaker 1: draft grade here, but with how much smoke there is
Speaker 1: about him potentially being like even a first round first
Speaker 1: round player. Yeah, if you want Mingo, you gotta take
Speaker 1: him in fifty four. And I think both of us
Speaker 1: feel the same way that we we really want Mingo
Speaker 1: on this offense.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is a player that was in like the
Speaker 2: one fifties a month and a half ago, and now
Speaker 2: he's already at eighty four and I'm sure he'll keep
Speaker 2: creeping up into the seventies by the time we get
Speaker 2: to draft night. I'm happy with Mingo here. Yeah, go
Speaker 2: watch some of him. He's fantastic. C plus yeah yeah,
Speaker 2: my math grade, let's do this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the only C plus I ever got in high
Speaker 1: school was in pre calculus, So you know math is hard.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, the only C plus. Sorry someone, I was
Speaker 2: a B student.
Speaker 1: I was a B student. I was not like a
Speaker 1: four point zero guy, but you know I could do
Speaker 1: just enough. All right, let's let's look at some again
Speaker 1: some options here. We'll pick up the pace a little
Speaker 1: bit now that we're through the top fifty options. Here.
Speaker 1: You can see on your screen here for those watching
Speaker 1: Sean Tucker, looks like there's a bit of a running
Speaker 1: back run here, So that is the case here. Tyler Scott,
Speaker 1: the wide wide receiver from Cincinnati, still on the board.
Speaker 1: He's a smaller guy, but I think he could help
Speaker 1: the Chargers and potentially give them some return ability as well.
Speaker 1: I saw Tyreek Stevens in the cornerback from Miami. There,
Speaker 1: Tucker Craft the tight end from South Dakota. So some
Speaker 1: good options here. Again, I do think the offensive playmaker standpoint.
Speaker 1: I love Day two in terms of adding to the offense. So, Tyler,
Speaker 1: where are you looking at here? I know we've talked
Speaker 1: about potentially adding a defensive line in round three or
Speaker 1: maybe you know, and center of the future is something
Speaker 1: that Chargers fans have really kind of highlighted. So where
Speaker 1: are you at here with pick eighty five.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't take a dB before I got to
Speaker 2: take one pretty soon, and it certainly depends on who's there.
Speaker 2: I think both of us have Antonio Johnson over D'artavius Martin,
Speaker 2: but Johnson here, Martin here, even Sidney Brown here. To
Speaker 2: an extent, I think Chris Smith definitely fits the free
Speaker 2: safety prototype for Brandon Stale, and of course working or
Speaker 2: playing for Georgia, that makes sense. I didn't watch Battle,
Speaker 2: so I can't actually comment on him, but here, you
Speaker 2: know a corner would be good. You watch Stevenson and Williams,
Speaker 2: so I'd have to defer to you on that one.
Speaker 2: Of course, Hodges Tomlinson is there, but I don't think
Speaker 2: that's where they go here, So to me, I do
Speaker 2: think we have to go defense. I do think you
Speaker 2: can wait just a tiny bit more for tight end
Speaker 2: if we didn't get one of those first Kropa guys
Speaker 2: or second crop of guys. Edge rusher on this board
Speaker 2: is a bit dicey. Zach Harrison is an athlete for sure,
Speaker 2: but doesn't quite fit what the Chargers we're looking for.
Speaker 2: So the best players available here I think are the safeties,
Speaker 2: and maybe Tuckercraft. I do think Dravon Dexter is in
Speaker 2: play for them. Not the longest dryms, but he's very,
Speaker 2: very tall and great against the run, So I think
Speaker 2: that's in consideration. But to me, I'd love a defensive
Speaker 2: back Yeard, what do you think?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I agree. I think at this point you are
Speaker 1: again doing the Calvin O. I think in terms of
Speaker 1: the edge rushers, because I think Zach Harrison, we both
Speaker 1: really like him, but it doesn't really like fit, so
Speaker 1: to speak, like a three four outside linebacker edge type.
Speaker 1: Right that, obviously the Chargers will be running here, so
Speaker 1: I'm going through the cornerback room. I think there is
Speaker 1: a chance you could maybe see them reach for like
Speaker 1: a Cayu Blue Kelly in the assistance. I think he
Speaker 1: is pretty similar to like a Jaw Taylor. But I
Speaker 1: love the ability to potentially take Tyreek Stevenson, who's a bigger,
Speaker 1: more physical corner. Maybe put him in the slot full time.
Speaker 1: That is something he did at Georgia. Maybe put him
Speaker 1: as a hybrid safety slot kind of player here. Give
Speaker 1: the Chargers some more size in the slot. So that's
Speaker 1: something that we've really focused in on in this class,
Speaker 1: is getting more size into the room alongside Michael Davis,
Speaker 1: and I think Tyrek Stevenson could check that box. And
Speaker 1: then next year, you know, you put him outside in
Speaker 1: place of Michael Davis. So I'm going with Tyrek Stevens
Speaker 1: in here, if that's my choice.
Speaker 2: Sounds good, I believe you. It sounds like he's great.
Speaker 2: I did not watch him, but I defer to you,
Speaker 2: and we're not typically too far off anyway, So yeah,
Speaker 2: Stevenson for me, sounds good to me.
Speaker 1: All right, let's go corner here and then fourth round
Speaker 1: is gonna be really interesting to see how the board
Speaker 1: plays out. Again, we have not taken a tight end
Speaker 1: at this point. Chargers do need some intier offensive line
Speaker 1: help as well as some into your defensive line help
Speaker 1: at this point too, So it's gonna be interesting to
Speaker 1: see who ultimately is on the board at this point.
Speaker 1: So for our audio audience, so far, we got Bejon
Speaker 1: Robinson the first round, Jonathanmingo, the wide receiver from Ole
Speaker 1: Miss in the second round, and the cornerback from Tyber
Speaker 1: Stevenson just now at pick eighty five.
Speaker 2: Alrighty, thank you for your trade offers. We're not going
Speaker 2: to take them, all righty, Okay, so we have our
Speaker 2: running back of a bute receiver, we have our corner.
Speaker 2: I'm glad we took a defensive back. I'm curious how
Speaker 2: they feel about the safety room overall, especially in terms
Speaker 2: of free safety. But at this point, let's look at
Speaker 2: the tight ends. Luke scoon Maker Zach Koons I think
Speaker 2: are both player here. Obviously, Yeah, I almost feel like
Speaker 2: the Chargers would prefer Schoonmaker here over Coons, even if
Speaker 2: he's maybe has a higher grade. But Schoonmaker is more
Speaker 2: that traditional inline blocking type. Coons I think can do that,
Speaker 2: and it's not like it wasn't his role, but I
Speaker 2: trust Schoonmaker for that more, and so I think that
Speaker 2: they might be looking at him here in terms of
Speaker 2: tight end. Who else is available? We have our receiver,
Speaker 2: but you could consider Jaden Reid corner Eli Ricks.
Speaker 1: I would say really quickly, sorry to cut you off.
Speaker 1: Nick Herbig from Wisconsin is interesting to me. He has
Speaker 1: played some edge rusher at Wisconsin. He's kind of that
Speaker 1: kind of profile that Wisconsin really likes to do, so
Speaker 1: they kind of do like a three three five defense
Speaker 1: that's in vogue. So he can play off the ball,
Speaker 1: he can play as an edge rusher that might be
Speaker 1: kind of like a Kyle van Noy replacement in terms
Speaker 1: of somebody younger. You know, Drew Sanders is probably that
Speaker 1: guy earlier, if you want to take one earlier, at
Speaker 1: maybe fifty four. So Nick Herbig is least worth talking
Speaker 1: about for me. I don't know if you've watched him yet,
Speaker 1: but he does have some of that calvan Oi versatility
Speaker 1: that I think would kind of fill a role for them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have not watched him. What is his RIS profile,
Speaker 2: do you know? Because it tends to be that range,
Speaker 2: that fourth fifth round range which a LESCo takes an athletic.
Speaker 2: Not that he's a linebacker, but linebacker. So okay, not
Speaker 2: the tallest guy, but good speed grade. Don't get much
Speaker 2: on him there, didn't let to do a lot of testing. Okay. Interesting,
Speaker 2: I have not watched her Big, so maybe I'll just
Speaker 2: defer to you again.
Speaker 1: I think it's worth talking about. I'm not taking a
Speaker 1: linebacker here if that's my wish.
Speaker 2: Oh, okay, then move on. We can find some other
Speaker 2: guys later. I do like some more of the athletic
Speaker 2: linebackers later too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think at this point where I would ideally
Speaker 1: look at an intier offensive lineman or an intier defensive lineman. Okay,
Speaker 1: a little beef up the middle if we could.
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely, So interior offensive line Voorhies can't contribute this year,
Speaker 2: so I get it. But also I'm worried Strongberg is
Speaker 2: a guy in the future. Brayden Daniels, there's your guy,
Speaker 2: John Gaines again two and twenty six.
Speaker 1: Odd there, mcclennan Curtis, who They've done a lot of
Speaker 1: homework in terms of the Chargers scouts there. I think
Speaker 1: the Chargers need some more pass rush from the interior.
Speaker 1: So I'm pretty interested in taking a shot on Moro Ojomo.
Speaker 1: I think the film can be a little choppy at times,
Speaker 1: but you just mentioned, you know, athletic profile somebody that
Speaker 1: could come in and learn from Morgan Fox, So I
Speaker 1: would say him or one of the one of the
Speaker 1: guards like Gaines or Brandon Daniels.
Speaker 2: Okay, well, you are the resident Trenches guy, so once
Speaker 2: again I will defer to you on this one.
Speaker 1: Oh come on, I don't want this to be you decide.
Speaker 2: It depends, because do I want to get a talk.
Speaker 2: Let me take out the tackles real quick, like when
Speaker 2: we go for Nick Saldaveri instead. I almost feel better
Speaker 2: about that because I think the Chargers need to tackle
Speaker 2: more than someone like get into your offensive lineman. Not
Speaker 2: that Saldeverari can't do it. He did it last year
Speaker 2: against Virginia. I'd be more comfortable with that than an
Speaker 2: into your offensive lineman. And the d tackles here I'm
Speaker 2: not a huge fan of not that there's a great
Speaker 2: I don't know most of these guys past them, so
Speaker 2: maybe you like some of these guys better, but I'd
Speaker 2: kind of rather go with someone like Saldivarry, who we
Speaker 2: talked about before. It checks a lot of boxes for
Speaker 2: the Chargers, especially here at Ron four.
Speaker 1: Yeah, smaller school tackle for sure, but it has a
Speaker 1: lot of things, like we just highlighted him earlier on
Speaker 1: our show this week. So okay, let's let's do Salivary.
Speaker 1: Let's do uh an offensive tackle for the for the
Speaker 1: Chargers to back up Trey Pipkins and Rashawn Slater.
Speaker 2: Cool. Sounds good. I mean, it's it was rough last
Speaker 2: year without some investment, let's say, so, I'd be happy
Speaker 2: with that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all already, then, Tyler, what are you thinking here?
Speaker 1: We uh again have not taken a tight end yet
Speaker 1: Zach Koontz is right there. I see Dorian Williams, the
Speaker 1: athletic linebacker from uh I'm totally blanking right now, Tulane
Speaker 1: tu Lane kJ Henry as well ed Dresher from Clemson.
Speaker 1: So what are you thinking here?
Speaker 2: I because this is the last round I'm going to
Speaker 2: get him. I would consider Zachary koons here. But do
Speaker 2: you feel like he's enough of an inline blogger to
Speaker 2: distinguish himself? I guess in the fifth round it doesn't
Speaker 2: matter as much. Do you feel like he's enough of
Speaker 2: a fit considered?
Speaker 1: I would say he's he's more of a big slot
Speaker 1: right now. But he's six seven, he's two hundred and
Speaker 1: fifty pounds. I think you could get the tight end
Speaker 1: coaching staff to work with him a little bit more.
Speaker 1: He certainly has the profile to become a blocker. And
Speaker 1: you know we've seen Donald Parms make some real strides there.
Speaker 1: So can you pull up the whole tight end table,
Speaker 1: let's see who who ultimately is there? In general? So
Speaker 1: Brenton Strange more of kind of your Stephen Anderson type
Speaker 1: of tight end if you're looking for that guy. Same
Speaker 1: with Brandon Willis Cameron Lotto. I think are are similar
Speaker 1: types there, Payne Durham, who I talked about, so Zach
Speaker 1: Kuons in terms of an athletic profile standpoint, I think
Speaker 1: with the tight end position, you generally want to take
Speaker 1: chances on day three guys who have, you know, high
Speaker 1: athletic profiles, and Zach Kuons is quite literally the most
Speaker 1: athletic tight end at the combine history. So I'm cool
Speaker 1: with taking Koons here.
Speaker 2: Cool, let's do it.
Speaker 1: So reuniting Salvavary and Zach Kuonz here in this mock draft.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and oh gosh, he's the tight end currently on
Speaker 2: the roster converted quarterback.
Speaker 1: Oh Stone Smart, that's right, there you go, there you go.
Speaker 1: So we're pumping up the old Dominion pipeline.
Speaker 2: Now, yeah, you know Georgia Lsu Old Dominion.
Speaker 1: Right, all right, So we got sixth round here and
Speaker 1: seventh round. I would say, maybe let's take a glance
Speaker 1: at Edge Rusher and see if our guy Nick Hampton
Speaker 1: is there. All right, So there he is. If you're
Speaker 1: a fan of Nolan Smith, I think you should be
Speaker 1: a fan of Nick Campton on day three. So that's
Speaker 1: a pretty quick one for me. Tyler, I know you
Speaker 1: like Nick Campton as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's fine by me. I don't know if he
Speaker 2: fits their physical prototypes as much, but he's kind of
Speaker 2: a tweener in terms of ed rusher linebacker type. They
Speaker 2: had him blitzing from the slot sometimes, so a lot
Speaker 2: you can do, you know, Robert Beale junior because the
Speaker 2: Georgia connection. Maybe the Chargers will consider that because that
Speaker 2: fits more of their prototype. But I think Nick Hampton
Speaker 2: here in terms of what he can do and just
Speaker 2: frankly in terms of the upside and film like, he's
Speaker 2: a third round grade from me and we're talking about
Speaker 2: round six year. I'm happy with him. I know, simwhere
Speaker 2: could Beino borc has from Chargers while I was cheering,
Speaker 2: I'm cool with Nick Campton.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's do that one.
Speaker 2: Cool. Go watch the North Carolina game, guys.
Speaker 1: It was fun, absolutely all right. I think this is
Speaker 1: obligatory time to talk about a potential QB two of
Speaker 1: the future. We'll see how that board pans out. Even
Speaker 1: you know, with with Hampton, though, I feel good about
Speaker 1: potentially not taking a linebacker here because he can, like
Speaker 1: you said, he can kind of do both of those things.
Speaker 1: We have not taken a running back yet either, so
Speaker 1: I definitely want to glance with h we took Bejon.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, Well, he's not just a running back, that's
Speaker 2: why not just a running back?
Speaker 1: Okay, so let's look at quarterback, and then let's let's
Speaker 1: take a glance at adding a potential return receiver there instead.
Speaker 2: Okay, I have much a single quarterback, nor have I
Speaker 2: watched college football even live, so I got it.
Speaker 1: Uh we, Well, we know the Chargers have met with
Speaker 1: Max Duggan at the pro day, according to uh shoot,
Speaker 1: what was is her name right now? Miss Slater who
Speaker 1: covers the Cowboys for NFL Network, Stetson Bennett. I think,
Speaker 1: for obvious reasons, probably off the Chargers board. So I
Speaker 1: think if they do take a quarterback, it would probably
Speaker 1: be Max dug in here. But we also know the
Speaker 1: Chargers are trying to replace DeAndre Carter. So let's take
Speaker 1: a quick glance at a wide receiver.
Speaker 2: Okay, so wide receiver, I haven't I don't know much
Speaker 2: about all the returners. Darius Davis obviously somebody we've talked about.
Speaker 2: If he's here, Malik Knowles, but looks like he's gone,
Speaker 2: so never mind.
Speaker 1: I think I just saw him.
Speaker 2: Nope, I think he is gone. I think somebody snatched
Speaker 2: him up. There goes that one. He's gone, all right?
Speaker 1: Interesting moving up the board here, So Jalen Cropper from
Speaker 1: Fresno State is interesting to me. I think he would
Speaker 1: be gone much sooner than this, but that's probably where
Speaker 1: I would go. Here.
Speaker 2: Is he the one who played with Kellen Moore's brother.
Speaker 1: Yes, him, and Niko Ramichio is also on the board.
Speaker 1: Played with Kellen Moore's younger brother at Fresno State. So
Speaker 1: Jalen Cropper is definitely more of a refined receiver. He
Speaker 1: could be somebody who goes much earlier than this because
Speaker 1: his ability as an explosive receiver, mostly from the slot
Speaker 1: at Fresno State. Rimikio is like straight up like special
Speaker 1: Teams only, so Cropper gives you a little bit of both. Here,
Speaker 1: Darius Davis, if he's on the board, I can remember
Speaker 1: if he was there or not, But same kind of thing.
Speaker 1: I think it gives you a little bit of both.
Speaker 1: So Landers from Arkansas definitely fits the physical profile. He's
Speaker 1: like six ' four, runs four to two nine or
Speaker 1: whatever something crazy. So I'll let you pick this one.
Speaker 2: Tyler yeah, Landers. If we didn't go for a bigger
Speaker 2: receiver early on and I wanted to find someone with Morrisize,
Speaker 2: that'd be Landers. Not the thickest looking guy, but he's
Speaker 2: still two hundred pounds. He just happened to be six
Speaker 2: four and a half or whatever. He is an outstanding blocker,
Speaker 2: one of my favorite blockers in the entire draft. So
Speaker 2: if Ryan Fickham was looking for someone who has some
Speaker 2: returner potential but can also block as well on special teams,
Speaker 2: that'd be great. You know, because the kickoff returned, the
Speaker 2: blocking maybe it wasn't the greatest, like the overall numbers
Speaker 2: for the kickoff returns because of Carter, because of blocking whatever,
Speaker 2: weren't so great last year. So I could see them
Speaker 2: upgrading there. It was Joshua Kelly and Xander Horvath blocking,
Speaker 2: but then Kelly sort of got hurt and I think
Speaker 2: or took on a bigger role as well. Horvath got
Speaker 2: hurt as well, so at some point it was Michael
Speaker 2: Bandy out there, so they definitely could trust a receiver
Speaker 2: out there again with someone like Matt Landers, although he's
Speaker 2: very different receiver than Michael Bandy, but because of the
Speaker 2: connection to Kellen Moore or his brother, I should say,
Speaker 2: because of what you said about Cropper, I'm happy to
Speaker 2: go with him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, let's do that. I feel really good about
Speaker 1: this draft, although maybe some players who might not be
Speaker 1: at this specific spot. So just to recap here quickly,
Speaker 1: I know we're running a little bit short on time.
Speaker 1: We've got B Jhon Robinson in the first round, Jonathan Miinga,
Speaker 1: the receiver from Ole Miss at fifty four, Tyreek Stevenson
Speaker 1: in the corner from Miami at eighty five, Nick's out
Speaker 1: of the very offensive tackle from Old Dominion at one
Speaker 1: twenty five, reuniting him with his former teammate Zach Koontz
Speaker 1: the tight end at one fifty six, Nick Hampton, pass
Speaker 1: rusher slash linebacker from Appalachian State. I know, Daniel Jeremy
Speaker 1: I am probably happy about that one. And then Jalen Cropper,
Speaker 1: the wide receiver from Fresent State at two thirty nine. So, Tyler,
Speaker 1: how do you feel about this draft? Great?
Speaker 2: I'm so excited for everyone to agree with us one
Speaker 2: hundred percent. The good news is we took B. John Robinson,
Speaker 2: So I think we're okay. Like our floors a beam
Speaker 2: plus here, I think, yeah, absolutely, Yeah, you really like
Speaker 2: this group overall. I do like the idea that also
Speaker 2: that we're just pursuing. I don't know about Cropper specifically,
Speaker 2: but most of these guys have very solid, if not
Speaker 2: elite RIS scores, which is really good too. I think
Speaker 2: finding some of these guys who are also great athletes, like, oh,
Speaker 2: you know, being a good athlete in the NFL, good idea, Tyler.
Speaker 2: But I do think that that was nice to consider, Like,
Speaker 2: these are also good players, good prospects at their positions,
Speaker 2: but they're also high end athletes to guys who clock in.
Speaker 2: I mean, geez, Nick Koon or Zach Kuon excuse me,
Speaker 2: you know, ten ras that sort of thing. So yeah,
Speaker 2: I like it. I like it a lot. And we've
Speaker 2: come a long way from kind of just guessing on
Speaker 2: three players from our first mock. So yeah, I like
Speaker 2: this one.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Definitely put it on a lot of work to
Speaker 1: make this happen. So I feel good about this. I'm
Speaker 1: excited to see none of these picks ultimately come to
Speaker 1: fruition outside of maybe Jonathan Mingo. Mingo Definitely, I feel
Speaker 1: more confident about happening than the other selections on here.
Speaker 1: So Yeah, that's that's our first episode on the Chargers channel,
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Speaker 1: recap where we will ultimately look at some grades for
Speaker 1: the how the Chargers draft to panned out. So we'll
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