Speaker 1: The late fifteen ten touchdown. What's up, guys, Welcome it's
Speaker 1: way brand new episode of Chargers Weekly, presented by Microsoft
Speaker 1: Surface as always, joined by Matt money Smith. And now
Speaker 1: that we are in the Charges off season, we'd like
Speaker 1: to bring guests on every week and this guy does
Speaker 1: this a week after the Senior Bowl for us, it's
Speaker 1: an annual tradition. Now, Rick Sarah Tella NFL Draft Bible Money.
Speaker 1: We love having Rick, we do and be sure to
Speaker 1: check out all the great draft coverage at SI dot com.
Speaker 1: We don't bring him on because it feels space to
Speaker 1: bring him on, because he's one of the best, and
Speaker 1: we appreciate the time. It's time is valuable. Right now,
Speaker 1: you're coming off the Senior Bowl. Rick, A lot of
Speaker 1: times quarterback dependent, you know, we know justin Herbert certainly
Speaker 1: raised his hands there, both of them, you know, just
Speaker 1: to let you know that he had two that worked.
Speaker 1: But this year it seemed like, maybe, you know, little
Speaker 1: little in terms of sizzle at that particular position, but
Speaker 1: what about other positions and maybe what your takeaways were
Speaker 1: from that that week in that game, Yeah, Herbert put
Speaker 1: his hands up, pick it, put his hands down, and
Speaker 1: you know, We've seen a lot of quarterbacks throughout the
Speaker 1: years though, fellas, thanks for having me, Christian Pounder, ej Manuel,
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones. They made themselves a lot of money at
Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl, and so it was a little bit disappointing.
Speaker 1: I know Will Levis out of Kentucky had some injuries
Speaker 1: he was dealing with this year. It would have been
Speaker 1: nice to just see him go down there, maybe at
Speaker 1: least interview with the teams. We didn't have that this year.
Speaker 1: Not exactly the the star Leiden quarterback class, but guys
Speaker 1: like Jake Kner took full advantage. He won the MVP.
Speaker 1: I think, you know, after seeing what Brock Purdy has done,
Speaker 1: you got to kind of take a deep dive into
Speaker 1: these quarterbacks. And Tyson Badget out of Sheppard had a
Speaker 1: nice showing throughout the week. But yeah, I think you know,
Speaker 1: the great thing about Senior Bowl is you get Power five,
Speaker 1: you get small school fcs. The guy like Cody Martz
Speaker 1: from North Dakota State is out there serving up pancakes
Speaker 1: to the P five and a lot of risers, a
Speaker 1: lot of surprisers. Luke Musgrave comes to mind. I mean,
Speaker 1: you hear about the athleticism. You see that frame, I
Speaker 1: think George Kittle, you know, this kid's the real deal.
Speaker 1: Tight end is a really strong group this year, and
Speaker 1: there's a lot of depth in this year's class with
Speaker 1: the trickle down from COVID, every player getting that extra
Speaker 1: year of eligibility. I don't think we have the blue
Speaker 1: chip draft that everybody always likes to see, but I
Speaker 1: do think we have a tremendously deep draft. Rick, Let's
Speaker 1: let's dig in a little bit. The Chargers will select
Speaker 1: at twenty one overall and money and I kind of
Speaker 1: preliminary looked at Okay, speedwide receiver would make sense, a
Speaker 1: quality tight end would make sense. Maybe an edge rusher
Speaker 1: when given Joey Bosa's injury history and Khalil mac aging.
Speaker 1: Let's just start with the offensive side. Wide receivers in
Speaker 1: tight ends down Inmobile that impressed. Yeah. You know, for me,
Speaker 1: this tank dell out of Houston. There is a lot
Speaker 1: of buzz around him. I didn't do an in depth
Speaker 1: study right before the Senior Bowl and said, man, this
Speaker 1: guy has got some burst, quick, get off explosion. I
Speaker 1: think his route running can create separation that is rare,
Speaker 1: and he might even be knocking on that back end
Speaker 1: of the first round range. I think he would be
Speaker 1: a true steel in round two if he's still on
Speaker 1: the board. But how about my new Jersey guy at
Speaker 1: a Princeton y shave us. I mean, he made himself
Speaker 1: some money throughout the week. He showed that he belonged.
Speaker 1: You know a lot of times you come into the
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl with that IVY League helmet, the teams are
Speaker 1: questioning question and how much does he love the game?
Speaker 1: Does he really need it? This kid really won a
Speaker 1: lot of folks over I think both on the field
Speaker 1: in the interview room. Ronnie Bell from Michigan, I think
Speaker 1: he was one of the fastest time the guys on
Speaker 1: the GPS tracker throughout the week, which was good because
Speaker 1: he was coming off that Acle injury. Before that injury,
Speaker 1: he was thought to be a top one hundred guy.
Speaker 1: I think he lost some of that luster with that
Speaker 1: Acle injury, so it was good to kind of see
Speaker 1: him rebound and show that type top plight speed. I
Speaker 1: think he's a solid mid round pick. And then Michael
Speaker 1: Wilson out of Stanford, I mean, who who who? Who
Speaker 1: wasn't departing mobile impressed with this young man. The route,
Speaker 1: running the hands, the consistency, and again in mobile, those
Speaker 1: one on ones throughout the practice week that separates the
Speaker 1: contenders from the pretenders. Wilson all week long with shredding
Speaker 1: defenders just uh, you know, Rick expand beyond the Senior Bowl,
Speaker 1: and I think tight ends an interesting position, you know
Speaker 1: for the Chargers at twenty one there. You know it's
Speaker 1: possible that the top tight end will be there. I
Speaker 1: know people will have him slotted differently. But you know
Speaker 1: you mentioned Craft at the Senior Bowl making himself some money.
Speaker 1: You know, I was fortunate to call the Scutah game,
Speaker 1: so I got to see Dalton kid Cade really put
Speaker 1: his imprint on a game. Mayor seems to be a
Speaker 1: number one guy for a lot of people. You mentioned
Speaker 1: Musgrave being a kittle kind of guy and then you
Speaker 1: got h what's his Washington out of Georgia. So kind
Speaker 1: of walk us through how that position looks when you
Speaker 1: think that first guy is going to come off the board.
Speaker 1: How many first rounders, like, let's just talk tight ends. Yeah,
Speaker 1: let's throw that two out of Alabama into the equation.
Speaker 1: I guess there's so many pass catchers, so many tight
Speaker 1: end threats, and to me, Michael Mayer is the best
Speaker 1: of the bunch. He actually reminds me go back at
Speaker 1: decade fellas Kyle Rudolph coming out of Notre Dame for
Speaker 1: catch can block. I think Mayor's a top end of
Speaker 1: the first half first round. I think that Musgrave, You've
Speaker 1: got a bet on the upside there with the NFL bloodlines,
Speaker 1: the physicality, the athleticism, I think his best football is
Speaker 1: ahead of him. If you told me five years down
Speaker 1: the road that Musgrave would be a top five tight end,
Speaker 1: I would not be surprised. So I think he sneaks
Speaker 1: into the first round. And I'll be honest. I mean
Speaker 1: Musgrave Darnell Washington out of Georgia. I have a hard
Speaker 1: time picking which guy I like more because when you
Speaker 1: can move at six foot seven, two hundred and fifty
Speaker 1: pounds like Darnel wash End, Yeah, it's incredible and it's
Speaker 1: amazing because his teammate Brock Bowers, I mean that kid
Speaker 1: is maybe better than Kyle Pitts. The sky's the limit
Speaker 1: for him. And Washington might be a first round guy.
Speaker 1: And you mentioned Kincaid. There's a lot of love for
Speaker 1: him in the scouting community. Now I'm kind of wondering
Speaker 1: what his time speed is because I don't think I
Speaker 1: don't see a guy like when you match him up
Speaker 1: against Musk Grave and some of these other tight ends.
Speaker 1: I don't think he's gonna run like Bambi, so he
Speaker 1: might get knocked there. I slapped the third round grade
Speaker 1: on him. I know a lot of people like him
Speaker 1: in the first round. I think he splits the difference
Speaker 1: in the second round. In LAT two is a good
Speaker 1: case study as well, because I believe Jalil Billingsley was
Speaker 1: there transferred to Texas, quit the team. Oh by the way,
Speaker 1: we had him out at the NFLPA Collegiate Bold and
Speaker 1: LAT two steps in and lights the world on fire.
Speaker 1: So I think he's a guy in the middle rounds
Speaker 1: that could be great value. Rick I mentioned edge, and
Speaker 1: you know, I look at what the charges currently have.
Speaker 1: Alwe missed a lot of games this year. Khalil Mack
Speaker 1: coincidentally played in all of them, and you know he's
Speaker 1: had some injury history, so you going into twenty twenty three,
Speaker 1: Kyle Vanois was a guy who's unsigned right now, older
Speaker 1: guy who contributed a lot. I think that the charges
Speaker 1: are gonna have to develop some young talent on the edge,
Speaker 1: even if it's not first round. Who are some guys
Speaker 1: that you think would be a nice fit for the Volts.
Speaker 1: I'll stick him to the senior ball. This keyon White,
Speaker 1: I mean he looked really good down there at a
Speaker 1: Georgia Tech. He really caught my attention because I thought
Speaker 1: I saw him as a mid round prospect. Then he
Speaker 1: goes down to Mobile and he's winning those one on ones.
Speaker 1: He's shown a pass rush repertoire. Now his game's a
Speaker 1: little bit raw, right, He's got to be developed and
Speaker 1: coached up and get with the NFL strength and conditioning program.
Speaker 1: But the upside is there and you saw the flashes.
Speaker 1: Same thing with the kid from Maya was State McDonald.
Speaker 1: Will McDonald I like to say he's a psyche clone
Speaker 1: physically and literally. He saw the spin move he was
Speaker 1: putting on guys. He's got incredible bend and dip around
Speaker 1: the corner. He bends like what's his name with the
Speaker 1: horse and the donkey Gumby. I mean this guy, he's like,
Speaker 1: he's like Gumby on the edge. So those are two
Speaker 1: guys that stood out to me in Mobile. I think
Speaker 1: you know a guy like Myles Murphy from Clumpson might
Speaker 1: be there at twenty one and he could play inside.
Speaker 1: He could play outside. He's been moved up and down
Speaker 1: that defensive line. He's right in that two seventy two
Speaker 1: seventy five rains, so he can play with his hand
Speaker 1: in the dirt um. You know, it depends on you know,
Speaker 1: what direction the Chargers want to go. But I agree
Speaker 1: with you, Bosa not only has been a injury liability,
Speaker 1: but man, we gotta we gotta reel him in a
Speaker 1: little bit that temperament. Man customs some laundry on the field, man,
Speaker 1: and it wasn't good to see. So we gotta reel
Speaker 1: in Bosa there a little too excited. Uh certainly gets upset.
Speaker 1: He gets held the um, you know, going from edge
Speaker 1: to intor line, you know. And we saw there was
Speaker 1: an issue with the Chargers, and they certainly had a
Speaker 1: number of guys step up big, particularly Brandon Fahoko practice
Speaker 1: squad guys. But we know, you know, looked you look
Speaker 1: at the Super Bowl, right and you see what Chris Jones,
Speaker 1: who's in the Defensive Player of the Year conversation, Fletcher Cox,
Speaker 1: I mean, Hargrave, you have you have to be stacked
Speaker 1: at that interior line position, you know, just kind of
Speaker 1: knowing what defense the Chargers play kind of at three
Speaker 1: to four, the way Brandon Staley wants to play defense.
Speaker 1: What about some big bodies that are in the middle
Speaker 1: that might be around for second round that that you
Speaker 1: would circle. Yeah, that's a great point. I mean you
Speaker 1: got to start with Janalen Carter at a Georgia. I
Speaker 1: mean a lot of a lot of things sniff him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but you know it's worth noting that. You know, if
Speaker 1: he were in the draft last year, he probably would
Speaker 1: have been a first round pick. But in terms of
Speaker 1: the Chargers, Brian Burres out of Clempson could also be
Speaker 1: there in twenty twenty one range, but he's more, you know,
Speaker 1: of an interior guy. And if you're looking for that,
Speaker 1: Mazzie Smith out of Michigan is a guy that's high
Speaker 1: on our radar. Keno Benton from Wisconsin is another guy
Speaker 1: that I think will be early off the board. So
Speaker 1: you know, those are probably the top defensive tackles. You know,
Speaker 1: if I'm the Chargers, I'm probably looking in the mid
Speaker 1: to late rounds. There a guy like Collegia Kancy out
Speaker 1: of Pittsburgh. Maybe undersized, you can get him in the
Speaker 1: late rounds, maybe out plays where he selected with his
Speaker 1: draft position. Might be a guy that I would target
Speaker 1: in the late rounds. Rick, I remember so vividly last
Speaker 1: year the praise that you heaped on Zion Johnson, and
Speaker 1: but you know, the Chargers draft him. He has a
Speaker 1: really good rookie season. Your thoughts on how he played
Speaker 1: in his prospects and year two and beyond, And then
Speaker 1: just along that same line, you can never have enough
Speaker 1: offensive lineman for Justin Herbert. And you know, with Trey
Speaker 1: Pipkins being a free agent and some of the injuries
Speaker 1: that they had across the line this year, who are
Speaker 1: maybe some depth pieces that could be starters eventually for
Speaker 1: the Bolts. Yeah, you know, I think he's going to
Speaker 1: be a building block that they build around in the future.
Speaker 1: And I think the offensive line class as a whole
Speaker 1: is a great depth wise, a position that the Chargers
Speaker 1: could could kind of dig into here because tackle center
Speaker 1: again to like largely in depth stacked positions. I look
Speaker 1: at a guy Darnell right at a Tennessee. This guy,
Speaker 1: to me, I saw him at the Senior Bowl. He's
Speaker 1: a plug and play tackle. I think he can just
Speaker 1: step in immediately. Tyler Steen from Alabama was highly impressed
Speaker 1: with Some people like him as a tackle, some people
Speaker 1: like him as a guard. You guys might be familiar
Speaker 1: with Rasaon Slater. Tyler Steen has that inside outside versatility.
Speaker 1: I think he could be had in the second or
Speaker 1: third round. Matthew bersier On from Syracuse. Now here's a
Speaker 1: guy who's got a lot of hype withheld his own,
Speaker 1: but he's kind of plateaued. So I feel like with
Speaker 1: bersier On, you know what you're getting. He can compete
Speaker 1: for a starting job in year one. I don't think
Speaker 1: he has the upside as some of the guys listed
Speaker 1: ahead of him, but he's a He's a solid, dependable guy.
Speaker 1: Then Ryan Hayes from Michigan, Like you go back to
Speaker 1: Jim Harbaugh back in Stanford, He's always had well coached
Speaker 1: offensive lineman, well coached tight ends. Now Hayes, he lacks
Speaker 1: that bubble, but the scouts want to see that bubble
Speaker 1: butt with your offensive lineman when you got a flatbut
Speaker 1: you lack that lower body strength at the ability to push.
Speaker 1: So I think Hayes slides a little bit about that.
Speaker 1: But he's got starter traits. One last guy, Carter Warren
Speaker 1: at of Pittsburgh. He's a guy that can play a
Speaker 1: lot of different positions, was injured. I think he's gonna
Speaker 1: outplay his draft back. And then I gotta mention John
Speaker 1: Gaines from Ucla because we had great offensive line coaches
Speaker 1: at the NFLPA Bowl, Jackie Slater, Rich Cyberd, a Super
Speaker 1: Bowl champion, our friend Lanzino, and they all ranted and
Speaker 1: raved about John Gaines and the UCLA coaching staff. They
Speaker 1: talk about FBI football intelligence. This kid is through the roof.
Speaker 1: He actually took reps at all five positions. Then he
Speaker 1: went got called up to the East West Shrine Bowl.
Speaker 1: Some people like him at center, some people like him
Speaker 1: at guard. He's played at tackle. John Gaines as a guy,
Speaker 1: I think, you know, he was probably an undrafted free
Speaker 1: agent coming into the All Star circuit. I think he's
Speaker 1: a fourth or fifth round pick. Now Riches specifically a
Speaker 1: name you know, every now and then a name will
Speaker 1: will jump out, you know, for the Chargers, and they're fans,
Speaker 1: you know, not saying like inside baseball, but just casual observers.
Speaker 1: Last year it was Jamison Williams. We could not hear
Speaker 1: the name Jamison Williams enough when it came to Charge
Speaker 1: like three podcasts, Yeah, dedicate is James Williams on that
Speaker 1: guy alone. But let's it seems like this year that
Speaker 1: that name is Jalen Hyatt and it's it's speed. You know,
Speaker 1: the chargers need speed. Like where do you I've seen him?
Speaker 1: You know, outside the top five receivers. I've seen him,
Speaker 1: you know, in the top twenty, Like where do you
Speaker 1: come out? Because he's gonna run in the what four threes?
Speaker 1: Low four threes? Maybe, Yeah, I've seen him actually as
Speaker 1: high as the number one wide receiver come off the
Speaker 1: board right. And you know, for me, I'm a TCU
Speaker 1: fan of Quentin Johnson. I think he's the top guy
Speaker 1: Jackson Smith and Jigba Jordan Addison. I can understand being
Speaker 1: the number one wide receiver. When I watched Jail and Hyatt,
Speaker 1: I mean, it's an incredible film that he's laid down,
Speaker 1: but it's a cartoon it is, and it's almost like
Speaker 1: a video game. But you know, here's the deal. NFL
Speaker 1: is fascinated with speed. It's something you can't teach. When
Speaker 1: I look at Jalen Hyatt, I see a one trick pony.
Speaker 1: It's a damn good trick, but I just have a
Speaker 1: hard time struggling with sliding him into the first round
Speaker 1: equation when he's just winning on straight line speed and
Speaker 1: I think NFL defensive coordinators are going to be able
Speaker 1: to figure that out. I don't have him in the
Speaker 1: first round Nix. I understand the allure, I understand the luster,
Speaker 1: but it's just not my flavor of the week. Running
Speaker 1: Back is another topic that I feel like every single
Speaker 1: year we talk about here. Obviously Austin Ekeler, his play
Speaker 1: and his performance speaks for itself led the NFL touchdowns again,
Speaker 1: but we're always talking about that bigger back to compliment
Speaker 1: Austin Ekeler. Is it worth a first round pick? Is
Speaker 1: it somebody you get in the third or fourth round.
Speaker 1: I don't know. If you just walk us through some
Speaker 1: of the running back class and a guy that maybe
Speaker 1: could carry the load to be a nice compliment to
Speaker 1: Austin potentially, Yeah, I'm never a believer of drafting a
Speaker 1: running back in the first round. That's me personally. I
Speaker 1: just see too many guys going the mid late undrafted
Speaker 1: range and come in and make an impact but ty
Speaker 1: Jay spears to me at two lane, he made himself
Speaker 1: a case. I think he's now in that second round
Speaker 1: equation after the week he had at Mobile. I mean
Speaker 1: the change of the direction, the first, the vision, the explosion.
Speaker 1: He showed the ability to catch the ball down there,
Speaker 1: So I really like that if you want to between
Speaker 1: the tackles thumper though. Zach sharbon At out of UCLA,
Speaker 1: I mean, this guy keep as a yack monster. He
Speaker 1: reminds me of James Connor actually, And if you can
Speaker 1: get a Zach Sharbone in the third or fourth round,
Speaker 1: if you're getting James Connor in the third or fourth round,
Speaker 1: hey sign me up. Chase Brown out of Illinois, I
Speaker 1: think as a guy, I saw him his willingness. He
Speaker 1: was sticking his nose in there and past protection at
Speaker 1: the senior ball. I like that kind of party. Of course,
Speaker 1: he has the brother Sydney Brown. And I'm gonna give
Speaker 1: you I'm gonna go way down digging in the Crepes
Speaker 1: crates out here in Jersey Mammoth, right down the shore,
Speaker 1: Jersey Shore, right down the road. This guy's a four
Speaker 1: down player. Guys, he's the best short yardage runner in
Speaker 1: the entire NFL draft, and I like the kid out
Speaker 1: of Nevada to Toatua, to Atah. But mamouth, he's got
Speaker 1: the best short yardage ability. He runs, he passed, he catches,
Speaker 1: he blocks, he plays all four special teams units. He's
Speaker 1: not going to get drafted. But man, once you get
Speaker 1: that guy in the facility, just like Austin Eikler, you're
Speaker 1: not gonna be able to cut him. Who is he?
Speaker 1: What's his name? He saw? What? Oh? Well? Owen? Owen right,
Speaker 1: Adammica yeah, Owen right, alright, monumus Owen right we um. Look,
Speaker 1: Breece Hall was tracking to be the rookie of the year.
Speaker 1: I mean, he was playing incredible football. And I think
Speaker 1: you can tie a lot of the failures of the Jets,
Speaker 1: you know, from their towards start to their disappointing finish
Speaker 1: to him not being out there, um and the way
Speaker 1: they wanted to run. So what I'm doing, what I'm
Speaker 1: doing is setting up the case for a first round back. Right,
Speaker 1: Let's just say Bijean Robinson is sitting there at twenty one.
Speaker 1: You know, I feel like people are really high on Bichean,
Speaker 1: like they really like this kid. Where just in terms
Speaker 1: of the talent. Forget about the I don't the philosophy, right,
Speaker 1: you put that guy on the field. What are we
Speaker 1: looking at? Top five player in the draft, top ten
Speaker 1: running back as a rookie. I mean, but at the
Speaker 1: end of the day, I look at guys. He is
Speaker 1: in the sae Quon Barkley, Ezekiel Elliott, Adrian Peterson. If
Speaker 1: I date myself, I go back Darren McFadden, Reggie Bush.
Speaker 1: He's in that equation. He's that good. Now, what's the
Speaker 1: common denominator all those guys are just mentioned. I don't
Speaker 1: recall any of them putting a team on their back
Speaker 1: and running them into the Super Bowl. So, and that's
Speaker 1: where I get back to, like, I just can't invest
Speaker 1: a first round picking a running back. But if I
Speaker 1: were to, I said it about Sae Kwon Barkley, it
Speaker 1: would be be Jean Robinson. I mean, there's not much
Speaker 1: this guy can't do, and it was Shawn Johnson. His
Speaker 1: backup is pretty damn good too. He might wind up
Speaker 1: getting drafted as as the backup to Bijean Robinson. But no,
Speaker 1: he's he's an electrifying talent. There's not much he can't do.
Speaker 1: He's probably a top five overall player in the NFL draft.
Speaker 1: But I mean, it's that devalued position. Right. But but Rick,
Speaker 1: let's say this. Let's say you put Robinson on a
Speaker 1: Chargers offense with Justin Herbert as the quarterback and Austin
Speaker 1: Eckler as the other running back who could do everything,
Speaker 1: and Justin has these weapons, and you put a talent
Speaker 1: like Robinson who doesn't have to carry the offense. Justin
Speaker 1: Herbert is going to take care of that. What does
Speaker 1: that do for a Chargers offense in terms of explosiveness?
Speaker 1: It's a luxury piece, right. It puts them over the
Speaker 1: top maybe. And so the Chargers when you look at
Speaker 1: their roster, they don't have a lot of weaknesses. And
Speaker 1: I think I remember the Falcons they put together a
Speaker 1: hefty package I think to get Julio Jones during the
Speaker 1: draft and that was kind of at the time a
Speaker 1: lot to give up, but it was kind of the
Speaker 1: piece they needed to get over the top. They went
Speaker 1: winded up going into the Super Bowl. The John Robinson
Speaker 1: is that kind of piece. So at twenty one, if
Speaker 1: you told me the Chargers were gonna pull the trigger,
Speaker 1: I've got no qualms there. Just not my philosophy belief,
Speaker 1: but I think someone will draft them high. Rick, you
Speaker 1: think like he do. You think he goes in the
Speaker 1: top ten or the top fifteen. I think he goes,
Speaker 1: and I think he goes in the top twenty. But
Speaker 1: I will say this, there are exceptions to the rule.
Speaker 1: The Chargers might be that case because where where are
Speaker 1: their needs? I don't know, you guys know better than
Speaker 1: I do, But in terms of roster construction, I look
Speaker 1: at them very similar to the Bengals, Like, there's not
Speaker 1: a lot of weaknesses there. So if you can afford
Speaker 1: to use a first round pick on a luxury piece,
Speaker 1: if you feel like that's the missing link, I'm all
Speaker 1: for it. So you know, and look, we love Nas.
Speaker 1: You know, we had high hope for Nas out of Delaware.
Speaker 1: It just you know, seeing the way his playtime shifted
Speaker 1: toward the back end of the season and how he
Speaker 1: was spending more and more time off the field than
Speaker 1: on the field. You know, and this is a decision
Speaker 1: year for Nas, Like how about free safety and just
Speaker 1: that that high state. You know, he plays a lot
Speaker 1: of too high you know, we know that that that's
Speaker 1: what Brandon Sailor rens. But you know, we know he
Speaker 1: likes to have Derwin. Coach Day likes to have Derwin
Speaker 1: all over the field. So what about that last line
Speaker 1: of defense, free safety. What do we have in this draft? Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, Christopher Smith was a guy at the Senior Bowl.
Speaker 1: A little bit undersized there, but he can play in
Speaker 1: the box. He can step up and almost play that
Speaker 1: that linebacker slot safety role. J. L. Skinner was a
Speaker 1: guy that had an outstanding we could practice out of
Speaker 1: Boise State. Now he's the complete opposite. At six foot four,
Speaker 1: two hundred plus pounds, he's gonna run probably in the
Speaker 1: sub four five range. Ranie Hickman out of Ohio State.
Speaker 1: I feel like it is almost like a forgotten guy.
Speaker 1: And then the kid from Florida, Trey Dean. I can't
Speaker 1: recall if he I think he might have been at
Speaker 1: the East West Shrine Bowl. But Trey Dean, this guy
Speaker 1: at one point was considered a first round pick. He
Speaker 1: was lights out at the Shrine Bowl. He's played both
Speaker 1: safety positions. He can play freelance center field, he could
Speaker 1: play up in the box. So in terms of versatility
Speaker 1: and a chess piece, Trey Dean could play free, he
Speaker 1: could play strong he could play a linebacker, he could
Speaker 1: play slot. That would be a guy I would probably
Speaker 1: target in the third or fourth round. Rick, do you
Speaker 1: remember your evaluation of J. T. Woods. He was a
Speaker 1: guy that CHARGES drafted in the third round. Did not
Speaker 1: get a lot of run this year at all. But
Speaker 1: the hope is he can make a leap from his
Speaker 1: rookie year to his second season. Yeah, we had a
Speaker 1: big buzz. In fact, we had him I think at
Speaker 1: the NFL PA Bowl and our scouting staff was very
Speaker 1: high on him. Now I lost tabs once he went
Speaker 1: to the pros. Maybe he was injured. I don't know
Speaker 1: what the case was, but yeah, the skill set, the athleticism,
Speaker 1: it's all there, and I remember him coming out there
Speaker 1: was a little bit of a buzz. So not sure
Speaker 1: would happened this year, but I think he's a guy
Speaker 1: that can at least at the very least make a
Speaker 1: name for himself on the special teams. And I think
Speaker 1: he would be a rotational defender I would imagine. But yeah,
Speaker 1: our scouting department was very high on him coming out.
Speaker 1: I think he made a bunch of plays on special
Speaker 1: teams in college as well. Yeah, it just seemed like
Speaker 1: for a just struggled a to diagnose b tackle, you
Speaker 1: know angles, you know, really really struggled and run support.
Speaker 1: I know, look, I know people are and look there's
Speaker 1: a reason why people got excited about JT. Right he
Speaker 1: let he led the nation and interceptions, guy, what six
Speaker 1: of them? I think that last year? But what about
Speaker 1: I mean, I feel bad just kind of jumping you're
Speaker 1: asking you off the top of your head. What about
Speaker 1: those guys you know, like a Looie Gilman who filled
Speaker 1: in from admirably. You know, real smart player seems to
Speaker 1: make the right decision more often than not. Can you
Speaker 1: think of sort of secondary players that fall into that category, like, hey,
Speaker 1: this guy's not gonna run a four to three, but man,
Speaker 1: the intangibles are there, the smarts are there. Maybe he
Speaker 1: was the defensive captain something like that. The one guy
Speaker 1: that comes to immediate thought is Riley Moss out of Iowa,
Speaker 1: and like scouts keep telling me he's a safety because
Speaker 1: he can't run, but I mean he's he's stuck. He
Speaker 1: was neck and neck with every receiver out there and
Speaker 1: the one on the runs during your Bowl. So you know,
Speaker 1: there's a difference between time speed and game speed, and
Speaker 1: so I don't care if Riley Moss goes out to
Speaker 1: the Combiner's pro day and runs a four or five
Speaker 1: four and that's not sexy. He can stick you in
Speaker 1: the side pocket. I'm keeping him at corner and at
Speaker 1: the very least you have an instinctual ball hawk free
Speaker 1: safety type. But man, Riley Moss is the guy that
Speaker 1: really standing. Kedron Smith from Kentucky and by the way,
Speaker 1: I had a chance to meet his family, what a great,
Speaker 1: great family. But he was lights out, lockdown at the
Speaker 1: NFL PA Jim Nagan called us up, said, hey, we
Speaker 1: need a corner. Who do you got Kedrin Smith? He
Speaker 1: went down, lights out, I mean. And it's a shame
Speaker 1: because he's not invited to the NFL scouting combine. He
Speaker 1: was snubbed. But Kedrin Smith's gonna get drafted. He's got length,
Speaker 1: he's got sized another one of those guys. He's almost
Speaker 1: six two, So people think, oh he's a safety. Not
Speaker 1: so fast, my friend. He's got some man to man
Speaker 1: coverage capabilities. Hey, Rick, last thing for me, and it's
Speaker 1: a shame we're not gonna be able to do this
Speaker 1: this year. What are the things I love doing with money?
Speaker 1: Last year? Like the last five minutes of each podcast,
Speaker 1: Money broke down punters and j K Scott. J K
Speaker 1: Scott was awesome this year for the Chargers. They don't
Speaker 1: need a punter, but just for money, because I think
Speaker 1: this may be the only time that we're going to
Speaker 1: talk about punters. Give me your top three or four
Speaker 1: putters and uh, I'll get year. It was an anomaly
Speaker 1: year last year. We had so many good punters. It
Speaker 1: was just a putty. Money was the Melk Keiper junior
Speaker 1: of putty. We had Stowe House, We had all these dudes,
Speaker 1: and Buddy knew everything about every putter in Haze, and
Speaker 1: I mean, it was just a really weird year last year.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what, guys. This is my twenty first
Speaker 1: year covering the draft. It's I think my fourth or
Speaker 1: fifth year working with the NFL PA Bowl. I've been
Speaker 1: to hundreds, if not thousands, of Pro days. I've never
Speaker 1: seen a line of scouts waiting to speak to a
Speaker 1: punter like I did out in Pasadena with this Michigan kid, Roberts.
Speaker 1: I think he is and our our scout had him
Speaker 1: between five one five and five three five average hang
Speaker 1: time and he's a righty punter. But Nick Novak or
Speaker 1: special teams coach said, hey, check this out. He's got
Speaker 1: a lefty spin on it. I don't know how that's happening,
Speaker 1: but he had a punt in the game. The guy fumbled.
Speaker 1: They say a left handed, left footed punter is responsible
Speaker 1: for one winning a year because you're gonna muffle anyway.
Speaker 1: Roberts out of Michigan. You got my guy Corsac out
Speaker 1: of Rutgers from Australia, he's got the boot. And then
Speaker 1: you got Turk from Arizona State. You might remember his father.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yes, you got some some pretty good punters here.
Speaker 1: And the Syracuse kid a bad eight. Sarah Kus has
Speaker 1: a knack for putting punters into the pres They got
Speaker 1: another one in Smith. Last thing, Rick Um. You know
Speaker 1: Bruce Felman does the Freak List, and every year we
Speaker 1: see these just physical freaks, specimens that for whatever reason,
Speaker 1: they slide. You know last year Terrek Woollen, you think
Speaker 1: about you know DK Metcalf slide into the late second.
Speaker 1: Is there that guy that that measurables just off the
Speaker 1: charts but for some reason production wasn't there? Hopps. Every year,
Speaker 1: every single year, one of these physical freak kids drafted
Speaker 1: in the fourth round and becomes like the sensation of
Speaker 1: the draft and how did we pass on him? And
Speaker 1: this year we're talking trek Woollen redraft me a top
Speaker 1: five pick. Thanks for that setup money. I mean, I
Speaker 1: got a good one for you. Yeah, Derek Parish out
Speaker 1: of Houston, Okay, And I got my red on today,
Speaker 1: maybe just for him. He reminds me of Heuscheck. And
Speaker 1: this kid is a thumper. Okay. He got hurt, I
Speaker 1: think after the fourth game, but he was playing pass rusher,
Speaker 1: he was playing defensive end linebacker. He had about five sacks,
Speaker 1: ain't a half tackles for loss. He runs sub four
Speaker 1: or five at two hundred and fifty pounds. He's got
Speaker 1: an eleven foot broad jump, a forty inch vertical. I
Speaker 1: don't know about you, guys. I like my fullbacks built
Speaker 1: that way. And I think this kid is going to
Speaker 1: be a weapon in the mold of Kyle Houscheck. And
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what. He might not even get drafted,
Speaker 1: but he is going to make an impact at the
Speaker 1: NFL level. He is on the Bruce Feldman's Freak List,
Speaker 1: and he made a name for himself one of these
Speaker 1: all Star Games. I think it was the Shrine Bowl
Speaker 1: where he's coming out now as a fullback. So it's
Speaker 1: a it's a tricky position, right because you've now eliminated
Speaker 1: yourself from half the team half teams in the NFL Bowl.
Speaker 1: But man, this kid is the real deal. Derek Harrish
Speaker 1: out of Houston, love it. Rick. It's always a highlight
Speaker 1: of the offseason talking to you. Man. You said you're
Speaker 1: a Manhattan beatriesleague. Next time you're a Manhattan beach. You
Speaker 1: gotta hit a seb up. But we'll get you out
Speaker 1: of here. I'm just promoting what you have going on
Speaker 1: with with everything at SI. No. I appreciate that, guys.
Speaker 1: I mean, like I mentioned our twenty first year of coverage,
Speaker 1: we're fortunate enough to be the NFL Draft content provider
Speaker 1: over on Sports Illustrated, so we're not hard to find.
Speaker 1: And of course we have the NFL Draft Bible UH
Speaker 1: publication coming out. You can find that at All Access
Speaker 1: Football dot com. And of course you guys will certainly
Speaker 1: be receiving a VIP package. Appreciate its appreciate you, Rick. Well,
Speaker 1: we'll take a quick break in money and I will
Speaker 1: break down the Super Bowl on Sunday, Rick, awesome, brood.
Speaker 1: Appreciate you, man, appreciate you. Yeah. No, I definitely hit
Speaker 1: you up when I'm in Manhattan Beach and you guys
Speaker 1: hit me up when you're at the Jersey Shore. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we gotta. We're thinking a showback. We'll go to showback. Absolutely, absolutely,
Speaker 1: all right, thank you Rick. All Right, guys, a big
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Speaker 1: so money. Kicking off our draft coverage with Rick sarahtel
Speaker 1: Rick's gray always fun. Love it. You know, draft season
Speaker 1: it's hope springs eternal. Right when you don't win the
Speaker 1: Super Bowl this timy year, you start thinking about how
Speaker 1: you're gonna win the Super Bowl and what positions you
Speaker 1: can fill through the draft. And we saw how important
Speaker 1: the draft was. You know what, what's the what's the
Speaker 1: quote from Tom to LESCo? He saved our season. You know,
Speaker 1: Jamari saw your sixth round pick. He saved our season.
Speaker 1: You know, without him at left tackle after Rashaan Slater
Speaker 1: left in Week three, they are not in the playoffs.
Speaker 1: I know it did not end the way that we
Speaker 1: wanted it to end, the way the players, the coaches,
Speaker 1: the front office wanted it to end, the owners, the
Speaker 1: fans wanted it to end. But you don't have a
Speaker 1: ten win season, you know, you don't have a twenty
Speaker 1: seven zero lead in the first half. And obviously, look,
Speaker 1: Jamari got hurt in that game, you know, and that
Speaker 1: that cannot be overlooked. So I get why fans get
Speaker 1: so excited about the draft about young players. You know,
Speaker 1: Dean Leonard, you know, and Jessire Taylor you know, helped
Speaker 1: with a win over Denver to get to that ten number,
Speaker 1: you know, and get the number one wild card spy
Speaker 1: like it's it's an important deal. And obviously you already
Speaker 1: talked about Zion, so we know how important the draft is.
Speaker 1: I think it's a real interesting year for the Chargers. Um,
Speaker 1: I know, probably next week we'll get into it post
Speaker 1: super Bowl, just you know, what the roster is going
Speaker 1: to look like, what money looks like, extensions look like,
Speaker 1: and how you juggle this cap because there's a number
Speaker 1: of different ways to do it, you know, in terms
Speaker 1: of converting salary to signing bonus, trading players, cutting players
Speaker 1: post June first designations versus pre all that stuff's going
Speaker 1: to come into play because they spent a lot of
Speaker 1: money last year to take a swing they thought they
Speaker 1: had the roster, and God love them for doing it,
Speaker 1: you know, and spending a couple hundred million dollars in
Speaker 1: free agent contracts, and this year they're going to have
Speaker 1: to do that for Justin Herbert, you know, and that's
Speaker 1: going to change the calculus dramatically. So, you know, getting
Speaker 1: Rick on and I'm sure we'll get our man dj
Speaker 1: On and there's a number of other folks that we
Speaker 1: can talk to, you know, between now and the draft
Speaker 1: at the end of April that are going to certainly
Speaker 1: get the folks excited about twenty twenty three. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: it's a great point because the next couple of weeks
Speaker 1: we'll see what the roster looks like, and the free
Speaker 1: agency will dictate what they may do in the draft.
Speaker 1: So still a ways to go before we get to April,
Speaker 1: but never too early to talk about out the NFL Draft. Hey,
Speaker 1: this just popped in my head. Dude, you called one
Speaker 1: of the best college basketball games of the year in Indiana.
Speaker 1: What was that experience? Like, that's incredible, It's unbelievable. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was at Assembly Hall in Bloomington two hundred and
Speaker 1: sixteenth meeting between the Hoosiers and boiler Makers. You know,
Speaker 1: it's one of the great I know, everybody knows, you know,
Speaker 1: Duke North Carolina, Kentucky, Louisville, all those sort of things.
Speaker 1: But this is probably one of the most overlooked rivalries
Speaker 1: in college basketball because look, in fairness, you know, Purdue
Speaker 1: in Indiana have not made championship runs in the last
Speaker 1: thirty years. You know, it's been a while since they
Speaker 1: found themselves in the final four. So there are two
Speaker 1: really really good teams. Indiana was the preseason pick to
Speaker 1: win the Big Ten. They had some big injuries. Xavier Johnson,
Speaker 1: Race Thompson both went down to their veteran leaders and
Speaker 1: they're getting healthy now. And so for those that don't
Speaker 1: follow college basketball, Zachid is just one of the great
Speaker 1: you gotta watch Purdue basketball. He's seven foot four, he's athletic,
Speaker 1: he's unstoppable, like teams just cannot stop him, and it's
Speaker 1: fun to watch. So, you know, twenty two and one,
Speaker 1: they're only lost coming at a buzzer beater by Rutgers,
Speaker 1: you know, at one point loss. Otherwise they'd have been
Speaker 1: perfect going into that game at Assembly Hall, and Indiana
Speaker 1: gets out with a win. They led by fifteen, Perdue
Speaker 1: cut it down to two with three minutes left, and
Speaker 1: then Hoosiers pulled away, and you know, fans rushed the
Speaker 1: court and all that sort of stuff. It was really
Speaker 1: cool to be in the building be part of it.
Speaker 1: And lucky enough, you know, I was a sign the rematch.
Speaker 1: So I'll be going back to Mackie in a couple
Speaker 1: weeks for the Indiana at Purdue rematch. The two hundred
Speaker 1: and seventeenth maybe between the two teams, and by the way,
Speaker 1: I just want to make sure I'm not left out.
Speaker 1: I got it right here. My Microsoft surface goes with
Speaker 1: me when I hit the road. I love this thing.
Speaker 1: I know we're sponsored by him and stuff and it's great,
Speaker 1: but I would not sing its praises if I did
Speaker 1: not believe in it. I absolutely love it. It's my
Speaker 1: stat monitor when we're on the road. They have a
Speaker 1: thing called tabs that I use extensively where I can
Speaker 1: pop back and forth between all my stats for the
Speaker 1: different teams when I want to dig something up. It's
Speaker 1: so easy to access with the search tools. It's just
Speaker 1: such an awesome piece of technology. That really is. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's essential to everything I do. During the Charger games,
Speaker 1: it's always in front of me. I love the way
Speaker 1: it's set up. And now with college basketball season happen
Speaker 1: and it goes everywhere I go. You got a Charger's logo.
Speaker 1: At assembly Hall, They're like, okay, I know that's the
Speaker 1: voice of the Chargers. It's funny and it's and it's
Speaker 1: actually happened. When I pop it up, they look at
Speaker 1: it and they're like, what's out all about? And then
Speaker 1: they start talking to be like, oh, yeah, I know
Speaker 1: you are. So it's kind of funny. That's awesome, all right,
Speaker 1: super Bowl. If you look at this game through Chargers glasses, right,
Speaker 1: Chiefs Eagles. I go back to last year. Chargers go
Speaker 1: on the road, they beat the Chiefs. They go on
Speaker 1: the road, they beat the Eagles. Obviously played the Chiefs
Speaker 1: twice this year, lost by a field goal in both games.
Speaker 1: These are the two best teams in football money, the
Speaker 1: number one seed in each conference. Both had home field,
Speaker 1: both protected it, and we have quite the matchup. Man.
Speaker 1: Both teams have been awesome this year, and I really
Speaker 1: I don't know what to expect. I could see both
Speaker 1: teams winning this. Yeah, you know, it's I wish we
Speaker 1: had both quarterbacks one hundred percent. I think it's clear
Speaker 1: that both are hurting. You know, you could see the
Speaker 1: way Patrick Mahomes moved in the championship game that he
Speaker 1: was not right clearly. And you can see the way
Speaker 1: that Jalen hurts through the ball in the in the
Speaker 1: conference championship that he's not right. So, you know, I
Speaker 1: think that's going to play a big role in the
Speaker 1: way the game plays out. You know, is Jalen hurts
Speaker 1: shoulder healed because you know, it just seemed like the
Speaker 1: accuracy was off and it's been there all year. Certain,
Speaker 1: you know, and same thing with Patrick Mahomes to me,
Speaker 1: like you look at it and if games you know,
Speaker 1: are one on the lines, the Eagles have the advantage.
Speaker 1: They have the better offensive line, they have the better
Speaker 1: defensive line. If Patrick Mahomes is not right and he
Speaker 1: can't move and you've got that front, I mean, just
Speaker 1: you're talking about seventy sacks in the regular season, seventy
Speaker 1: five players with double digit sacks, and you see Brandon Graham,
Speaker 1: Fletcher Cox, Javon Hargrave, Josh Sweat, I mean, Hassan Reddick
Speaker 1: eighty is crazy what they throw at you up front.
Speaker 1: So like to me and look, like we said earlier,
Speaker 1: Chris Jones, you can make a compelling case he's defensive
Speaker 1: player of the Year. I mean, that's that's why the
Speaker 1: Chiefs won the conference championship, you know, because of what
Speaker 1: Chris Jones was able to do to that front offensive
Speaker 1: line wise. You know, it's just my lot of what
Speaker 1: he's been able to do after just starting playing, you know,
Speaker 1: from you know, from down under to coming here and
Speaker 1: just figuring out football and how he's become a dominant
Speaker 1: force at one tackle, perhaps the best center in the
Speaker 1: league in Jason Kelsey certainly the leader of that line.
Speaker 1: Lane Johnson at right tackle, maybe the best right tackle
Speaker 1: in football. Like, that's just to me, that's so much
Speaker 1: to overcome for the Chiefs. But Patrick Mahomes, I mean,
Speaker 1: that's like, Tim, that's why you pick the Chiefs. You're
Speaker 1: just like, I'm not picking against Patrick Mahomes. I'm just
Speaker 1: not going to do it. So I think the key
Speaker 1: is gonna be turnovers. Jalen Hurts only lost one game
Speaker 1: this year was the Commanders, I believe, on a Monday night,
Speaker 1: and I think they had like four turnovers in that game.
Speaker 1: They've been so good at taking care of the ball.
Speaker 1: So if they take care of the football, I think
Speaker 1: the odds of the Eagles winning the game goes up.
Speaker 1: But what struck me funny was I don't know if
Speaker 1: he saw Brandon aux comments about the Chiefs and the Eagles,
Speaker 1: he said that if he was a betting man, he goes,
Speaker 1: I'm not a betting man, but I would put everything
Speaker 1: that I own on the Chiefs to beat the Eagles.
Speaker 1: And I know that the Chiefs beat up the Niners
Speaker 1: pretty good earlier in the year. And I don't know
Speaker 1: if Brandon has a little sour grace because he didn't
Speaker 1: have a quarterback in the NFC Championship game, but that
Speaker 1: that just kind of struck me because the Chiefs. You
Speaker 1: talk about all the depth and all those players that
Speaker 1: the Eagles have on both sides of the ball, but
Speaker 1: we talk about the impact players on the Chiefs got
Speaker 1: Chris Jones, Patrick Mahon's obviously, Travis Kelsey. Those are the
Speaker 1: guys that win you games on the biggest stage. So
Speaker 1: that's what I think is fascinating. You have players in
Speaker 1: the league saying that, oh man, the Chiefs are gonna
Speaker 1: be beat the Eagles, no problem, and then you have
Speaker 1: all the evidence what the Eagles have done this year
Speaker 1: and how good Jalen Hurts has played. That's why I'm
Speaker 1: kind of at a loss at this point. Yeah, I think, Look,
Speaker 1: I think there have been concerns on the secondary for
Speaker 1: the Eagles all season. I use a wide receiver, so yeah,
Speaker 1: I think there's some sour grapes there. Perhaps he's beating
Speaker 1: his guy and he's just there's nothing, there's nothing there.
Speaker 1: You know, we can't get you know, we can't get
Speaker 1: anything out to him because of the injuries. So you know,
Speaker 1: I think there's a level of a frustration there. You know,
Speaker 1: you look at I'm trying to find the numbers, but
Speaker 1: I don't see, Like I don't remember the Eagles. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they only gave up twenty two passing touchdowns. But I think,
Speaker 1: like if I remember right, U, the Chiefs had a
Speaker 1: serious issue. Let me see where is it the Chiefs? Now? See,
Speaker 1: the Chiefs were really That's what it is. So the
Speaker 1: Chiefs were really good defensively against the run, only ten
Speaker 1: rushing touchdowns allowed. So I think that's perhaps where it
Speaker 1: comes into play. You know, San Francisco is what a
Speaker 1: run heavy team. Everything comes off those designed runs from
Speaker 1: Kyle Shanahan. And when the Chiefs run, defense stymies you
Speaker 1: and it's very hard for you to get anything going.
Speaker 1: That's where I think maybe Ayuka is coming from, like,
Speaker 1: oh I saw this I run. The defense was really
Speaker 1: good to me. Again, I just think it comes down
Speaker 1: to quarterback health. If Patrick Mahomes is not right, I
Speaker 1: don't quite see how he's able to get to get
Speaker 1: out of those you know, to get away from that
Speaker 1: pass rush. And I think that impacts things dramatically. I
Speaker 1: think there's a reason why the line is so is
Speaker 1: one and a half. You know, it's a pick um contest.
Speaker 1: Do you believe in the lines? Do you believe in
Speaker 1: the quarterback? And you know, because because Jalen's been banged
Speaker 1: up and his shoulders not quite right, I think that's
Speaker 1: you know, where the potential MVP of the I mean,
Speaker 1: these are the two this is probably these are the
Speaker 1: two guys. They're gonna finish one and two in the
Speaker 1: MVP race. You know, Mahome's probably gonna win it and
Speaker 1: Jalen hurts because he missed those couple games. It's probably
Speaker 1: gonna finish a second or I don't think it would
Speaker 1: surprise many people if he did win it, because it
Speaker 1: shows you what happens to that Eagle's offense when he's
Speaker 1: not there. So um, if I had depict it's we've
Speaker 1: seen it. We see it too many times. Chris. It's
Speaker 1: like you have him dead the rights and somehow, some way,
Speaker 1: and whether you want to say it's fair or not,
Speaker 1: you know, you see the hold you know in the
Speaker 1: in the game, you know that that led to the
Speaker 1: conversion that set up the game winning field goal, or
Speaker 1: the that led to the run that led to the
Speaker 1: penalty that led to the game winning field goal. It
Speaker 1: just seems like things break right for that team, you know,
Speaker 1: they just they always do. And if it's a flag
Speaker 1: that's not thrown on a hold, if it's a player
Speaker 1: making a critical error, and I'm not saying it wasn't
Speaker 1: a penalty at absolutely was a penalty on a side,
Speaker 1: you know, on the sideline. But just those things just
Speaker 1: happen to the Chiefs with Patrick Bomes. It's the craziest thing,
Speaker 1: but they do. Um So I think in a tight contest,
Speaker 1: i'd be apt. Yeah, But see then I say it,
Speaker 1: and then I just I just think their offensive line stinks.
Speaker 1: I just do. I think you can really say it
Speaker 1: money like you can't. You don't. You don't want to
Speaker 1: say it, right, No, I don't. I don't because they
Speaker 1: beat the Chargers twice and it and it hurts and
Speaker 1: it stings. But I just, man, I see how much
Speaker 1: they hold and get away with it. And then I
Speaker 1: listen to freaking Mitchell Schwartz on podcasts saying things like, well,
Speaker 1: technically it's not a hold because if you if you've
Speaker 1: engaged and you have your arm bar hour as long
Speaker 1: as you're in your feet, it's not a whole shut up.
Speaker 1: I don't want to hear that. It's like he's he's
Speaker 1: got his arm around a guy's neck and he's impeding
Speaker 1: his forward progress. I don't care what his feet are
Speaker 1: doing at that point, you know. And look, it's ridiculous
Speaker 1: for me to say that, you know, versus a Pro
Speaker 1: Bowl offensive lineman. But the film's there. I mean, come on,
Speaker 1: it's and it and I see it when I go
Speaker 1: back and watch the Charger games and Joey Bosa getting
Speaker 1: held on every single play and Orlando Brown holding on
Speaker 1: every single play because his feet are slow. It's just
Speaker 1: I think they're you know what, I'll take the Eagles.
Speaker 1: I think they're gonna struggle. I think they're because you've
Speaker 1: got it inside with Hargrave and Cox, you've got it
Speaker 1: outside with Reddick and Sweat and Graham. So I do
Speaker 1: think that defensive line is going to be able to
Speaker 1: do some serious damage. Yeah. Whatever, I'll take the Eagles.
Speaker 1: I'm taking I'm taking the Eagles too. We talked about
Speaker 1: this a couple of weeks ago, just the way that
Speaker 1: their offense is constructed. If they need to run the ball,
Speaker 1: they got the horses to run the ball. If they
Speaker 1: need to throw the ball, they got weapons up and
Speaker 1: down the field led by Goddard and A. J. Brown
Speaker 1: and DeVante Smith. Jalen Hurts has been more accurate as
Speaker 1: a passer this year. I think that they can play
Speaker 1: a number of different ways. And you know, there's there's
Speaker 1: a ton of former Chargers in this game too, money,
Speaker 1: So start on the Eagles side. You've got Shane Steikin
Speaker 1: as the OC. You got Nick Sirianni, who obviously was
Speaker 1: the Yeah, the wide receivers coach, Um Kaisier White, Lynvall,
Speaker 1: Joseph Yeah, Melvin Gordon and Cole Christensen on the practice
Speaker 1: squad of the Chiefs. So there's a lot of bolts
Speaker 1: in this game, Yeah, no doubt. And I think maybe
Speaker 1: that's also part of it. You know, I like Shane
Speaker 1: and Nick so much. You know, got to know Shane
Speaker 1: quite well during his time here, got to music a
Speaker 1: little bit because he and Nick hard Hardwick when he
Speaker 1: was here his first season, were super close, So I
Speaker 1: was able to get to know Nick. I actually saw
Speaker 1: both of them last year at the Combine. We ended
Speaker 1: up hanging out one night out drinking and having a
Speaker 1: good time and just kind of catching up with them.
Speaker 1: And it was really cool to to talk you know,
Speaker 1: a little bit of football with Shane and just listen
Speaker 1: to how excited he was about the upcoming season, you know,
Speaker 1: and that was before they traded for a j. Brown,
Speaker 1: But just kind of chatting with him about how things
Speaker 1: were going. So maybe that's where my bias is creeping in,
Speaker 1: you know, just really loving to see would would love
Speaker 1: to see those two guys, you know, get a Super
Speaker 1: Bowl ring, as much as I appreciated them when they
Speaker 1: were here with the Charger, as much as I like
Speaker 1: him as people, And plus I just don't I don't
Speaker 1: know how you can't root for Jalen Hurts Like he
Speaker 1: is one of the easiest, one of the easiest players
Speaker 1: to want to see do well, his work ethic, the
Speaker 1: way he handled his demotion at Alabama, not you know,
Speaker 1: missing a beat, transfer into Oklahoma, being in the Heisman conversation,
Speaker 1: you know, not whining about slipping out of the first
Speaker 1: round of being a second round pick despite his resume
Speaker 1: and what he was able to do in college, and
Speaker 1: you know, just could not be more excited for him
Speaker 1: as well, so maybe there's a little bit of a
Speaker 1: little bit of a bias and a little bit of
Speaker 1: a fan being interest there. It's fine though. You know,
Speaker 1: Kaiser White was one of my favorite guys on the
Speaker 1: Chargers last year. Just just a great dude off the field.
Speaker 1: He produced at a high level for the Chargers last year,
Speaker 1: produced at a high level for the Eagles this year.
Speaker 1: And it's kind of a homecoming for him to go
Speaker 1: back to Philly. He's from that area, went to West Virginia.
Speaker 1: So I'd like to see Kaiser get a ring because
Speaker 1: you know, he's had a heck of a year for
Speaker 1: the Eagles and deserves it. So we're both going with Philly. Huh.
Speaker 1: You know, I say it and I hate it. I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna lie. I feel like I know the Chiefs
Speaker 1: are gonna win. I just did we got a minute? Hey,
Speaker 1: you can amend it. You can amend at any time
Speaker 1: over the next minute. Money. Like I said, I that's
Speaker 1: the only reason that like I think, when you look
Speaker 1: at it on paper, there's there's really only one reason
Speaker 1: to take that. There's two reasons to take the Chiefs.
Speaker 1: It's Patrick Mahomes will not lose. Can you really envision
Speaker 1: mahomes go into three Super Bowls and only win in one.
Speaker 1: You know, can you really knowing how things just always
Speaker 1: break their way? You know, why would it not happen here?
Speaker 1: But you know, I look at the you know, I
Speaker 1: look at what the Eagles. Look. All the Eagles can
Speaker 1: do is play who's in front of them, and I
Speaker 1: don't you know, I hate the whole Look who they've
Speaker 1: played all see. Look, Okay, Brock Purty got knocked out.
Speaker 1: Josh Johnson's arm fell off like I mean, he had
Speaker 1: a concussion, you know, Brock parties at Rock Party's arm
Speaker 1: got ripped off, like okay, But that's just that's what
Speaker 1: happened in the game. You know. So all they can
Speaker 1: do is play and dominate, and they absolutely dominated the
Speaker 1: Giants offense. Just that defense wrecked that Giants offense that
Speaker 1: a lot of people thought was going to be able
Speaker 1: to hang in that game. So now stick you know,
Speaker 1: I'll stick with the with the Eagles, you know, absolutely,
Speaker 1: absolutely right, no question here, All right, I'm taking the Eagles.
Speaker 1: Money's taking the Eagles. We're gonna get out here's mind. Well, hey,
Speaker 1: Rick was the first guest of the off season. We're
Speaker 1: gonna keep getting guests on talking draft, talking free agency.
Speaker 1: So look forward to keeping this rolling on Thursdays. Thank
Speaker 1: you to Microsoft Surface for money. I'm Chris. This has
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