Speaker 1: Hi.
Speaker 2: I'm Vanessa Bayer and this is my brother Jonah.
Speaker 3: We're two siblings who love to talk about our childhood
Speaker 3: in nostalgia and how it shaped us into the people
Speaker 3: we are.
Speaker 2: Today, who are supremely chill if I do say so myself.
Speaker 4: Welcome to how did we get weird?
Speaker 2: So, Jonah, I was thinking about when we were in
Speaker 2: high school and the one year when we were in
Speaker 2: French class together, even though you're two years ahead of me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you were more kind of advanced classes, and so
Speaker 3: I don't know. I first took a class called Phenomenon
Speaker 3: of Language, which was Latin, right, which is I think
Speaker 3: they kind of phase that out. I think by the
Speaker 3: nineties they were Latin was on its way out. But
Speaker 3: we did take French together and we each had to
Speaker 3: pick a French name. Yes, and do you remember yours?
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, I started taking French when I was in
Speaker 2: I want to say fifth grade. I know that sounds
Speaker 2: pretty advanced, but that's when I think you could start
Speaker 2: really early in Brady Middle School.
Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, I definitely wasn't doing that.
Speaker 2: The name that I chose was ver Jeanie because our cousin,
Speaker 2: Jeremy's wife is French, and that's her name. And then
Speaker 2: once I was in high school, just because American kids
Speaker 2: are just such little demons, I thought it sounded too
Speaker 2: much like Virgin and I thought I'd get made fun of,
Speaker 2: so I changed it to ver Anique, which, if I'm
Speaker 2: being honest, I think Vergenie is such a beautiful name,
Speaker 2: but I do think I'm more of a ver Anique. Now, Jonah,
Speaker 2: your name I will never forget. Do you want to
Speaker 2: talk about it?
Speaker 3: Well, I was a big action movie fan, and so
Speaker 3: I had to go with Jean Claude, yes, after Jean
Speaker 3: Claude van Dam And so every time the teacher would
Speaker 3: call me Jean Claude, and I thought it was like
Speaker 3: so funny. Yeah, yeah, So I was called multiple times
Speaker 3: in class every time I was called by the name
Speaker 3: Jean Claude.
Speaker 2: You know. The other thing that was funny was that
Speaker 2: I would tutor you a lot in when we were
Speaker 2: and you would just want to play guitar, right and
Speaker 2: I would be tutoring you. But that's not the thing
Speaker 2: that I was gonna say was funny. There was something
Speaker 2: else I don't remember, but I do remember that you
Speaker 2: made me look so cool because I was like my
Speaker 2: cool older brothers in this class. And then there were
Speaker 2: people who are in the grade between us that I
Speaker 2: thought were cool, like other cool teens, and they were like,
Speaker 2: I guess we have to be cool to Vanessa because
Speaker 2: our cool older brothers in here, and I say cool more.
Speaker 2: The other thing I remember is that our French teacher
Speaker 2: was really into food and would bring menus in all
Speaker 2: the time. And then remember when we made a king
Speaker 2: cake or we made some kind of cake. I think
Speaker 2: there's a couple cakes in French culture that have little
Speaker 2: plastic babies hidden in them. Okay, but there's at least one.
Speaker 2: And we made that cake for extra credit, and it
Speaker 2: was I remember the recipe was in our textbook, and
Speaker 2: you know, textbooks recipes kind of like leave a lot
Speaker 2: to the imagination because they don't, I think, really expect
Speaker 2: people to make it to make them. It's just sort
Speaker 2: of like, look at this recipe for a French thing
Speaker 2: in your French textbook, and then we actually wan and
Speaker 2: did it.
Speaker 3: Well, she must have looking back, and this is the
Speaker 3: last thing I'll say about this topic, is she must
Speaker 3: have stolen those menus, because you can't just go to
Speaker 3: a restaurant and be like, I want to show this
Speaker 3: in my class. Can I just have this? I think
Speaker 3: you just got to take it and be like, this
Speaker 3: is for education. They can print more.
Speaker 2: Well. She was obsessed with Paul Bocus. Yes, of course,
Speaker 2: Paul Bocou's. And she talked about how one time when
Speaker 2: they did the High School of French trip to France.
Speaker 2: I actually did when I was older, I was still
Speaker 2: in high school, that they went to Paul Becuz's restaurant
Speaker 2: and were treated to a many course meal of all
Speaker 2: this French trip. And remember she would talk about it
Speaker 2: like every other class.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And so she was obsessed with Paul Bakoos and
Speaker 2: rightfully so it was missus Mauser, right, she changed her
Speaker 2: name when she got married. She would bring in the
Speaker 2: menu and I think they probably gave it to her.
Speaker 2: She didn't have a ton of them. It wasn't like
Speaker 2: she was passing them out, was she.
Speaker 5: I don't know. I don't know. I'm not sure they
Speaker 5: gave it to her.
Speaker 2: Okay, don't get mad at me about it.
Speaker 5: I'm mad.
Speaker 2: But well, should we introduce her guest?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 3: Today I want to say Vanessa is in like a
Speaker 3: little bit of a weird mood today.
Speaker 2: I think you're in a weirdo.
Speaker 5: So I don't know.
Speaker 3: We'll see how this goes, but yes, our guest today
Speaker 3: is a musician and engineer who is currently signed to
Speaker 3: Subpop Records, who solo project Bully will be releasing their
Speaker 3: highly anticipated fourth album, Lucky for You on June second.
Speaker 3: Let's please welcome Alicia Baniano to the podcast. Hello, Ailisha, Hi,
Speaker 3: did I pronounce that right?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, cool Alicia.
Speaker 2: I'm so sorry you're catching Jonah in such a mood today.
Speaker 2: But did you take any foreign languages when you were
Speaker 2: in high school?
Speaker 1: I did, but I was like not a good student.
Speaker 1: Spanish was very overwhelming for me, though. I wish I
Speaker 1: would have taken the route like that. You know, some
Speaker 1: people would go for like Italian sometimes.
Speaker 2: Yes, that would have been so cool. I don't think
Speaker 2: we had that option at our school, but that would
Speaker 2: have been incredible.
Speaker 3: You could take Chinese at our school, though, and I
Speaker 3: really that would have been It would have been cool.
Speaker 2: You know Ashley Cameron, who is my friend, she studied
Speaker 2: it and she I don't know if she studied. She
Speaker 2: must have studied it at our school and then she
Speaker 2: went out. Now, she like fully speaks Chinese and she
Speaker 2: like lived in China.
Speaker 5: I think that's that would be yeah ideal.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so you was Spanish.
Speaker 3: What was your kind of vibe like in Spanish class
Speaker 3: where you just this is high school.
Speaker 4: I don't care about my classes.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, my general vibe in like education from like kindergarten
Speaker 1: to twelfth grade, which is all of it, was not
Speaker 1: It was a bumpy road.
Speaker 2: I got it, got it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I tried my best, but of course
Speaker 1: it was I couldn't.
Speaker 5: Very overwhelming for me.
Speaker 1: And I also like second guess myself all the time,
Speaker 1: so it's like yeah, you know, and like you're gonna
Speaker 1: get called on. It's actually I'm now remembering this, but
Speaker 1: a few years ago, like right before COVID hit, I
Speaker 1: did take a community college class for Spanish, like anyone
Speaker 1: can sign up for them. I did like a ceramic
Speaker 1: class first, and I was like, oh, that's fine, I'll
Speaker 1: try Spanish. And it was like round two, I've got this.
Speaker 1: I'm like, you know a little more pitt together, and
Speaker 1: I went.
Speaker 5: Through the class and it was like it was it
Speaker 5: was a disaster.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was like the same thing all over again,
Speaker 1: except for I was like, you know, even more nervous
Speaker 1: when I'm.
Speaker 2: Like a key, you know, you're just yeah, yeah, yeah, totally.
Speaker 4: How did ceramics go?
Speaker 1: Ceramics was a disaster, But I mean it was at
Speaker 1: least fun and it was like I went with one
Speaker 1: of my friends and yeah, it was good.
Speaker 5: It was like we got to spend a few hours together.
Speaker 1: But it was like I kept I feel like I
Speaker 1: kind of kept getting worse, and I don't really know
Speaker 1: how that happened because then I like also followed that
Speaker 1: class up with private lessons, and it was like every
Speaker 1: time my teacher would be like, I think you've got this,
Speaker 1: like I'm gonna step into the other room, I was like, listen, babe,
Speaker 1: I do not have this.
Speaker 5: Like it was really rough.
Speaker 1: But I'm also left handed, so like anything that is
Speaker 1: shown to me is the opposite. So it was like
Speaker 1: I just I'm not like smooth like that, or I'm
Speaker 1: not like smooth.
Speaker 2: Or patient, you know, like I get it, I get it,
Speaker 2: You're doing great, you know, but I speaking of smooth.
Speaker 2: Do you guys remember this is not a great transition,
Speaker 2: But back to languages, do you remember feeling like it
Speaker 2: was cooler to take Spanish? To take French.
Speaker 1: I feel like French was cooler because French was like
Speaker 1: everyone's like, oh, romance, It's like the language of love.
Speaker 2: I feel like when we were in high school, it
Speaker 2: was so much cooler to take Spanish, but I took
Speaker 2: French because our dad spoke French, which we talked about
Speaker 2: our dad a lot on here. But Jonah, did you
Speaker 2: feel that way at all? Maybe it changed and French
Speaker 2: became cooler later.
Speaker 3: I don't really remember, like I said, I honestly remember
Speaker 3: mostly this Latin class, and I remember it basically all
Speaker 3: being kids who didn't want to take like like a
Speaker 3: language that still existed. And it was a real, real
Speaker 3: ragtag group of kids in this Latin class. I remember
Speaker 3: that like it. And there's a lot of behavioral issues
Speaker 3: going on.
Speaker 2: Behavior right right right? Was it missus Gobats And people
Speaker 2: would be so mean to her. I never had her.
Speaker 2: I just remember her name because all the bad kids
Speaker 2: would like make fun of her. Not nice.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was. It was a rough It was a
Speaker 4: rough scene in there.
Speaker 2: Yes, And you know, I loved French class so much
Speaker 2: that I first of all, I just remembered. I have
Speaker 2: a recurring nightmare that I keep having to go into
Speaker 2: school late and missing my first pear French class, and
Speaker 2: then it's like senior year and I'm not in the
Speaker 2: most advanced class, or I'm either not in the most
Speaker 2: advanced class or I keep going the other class and
Speaker 2: I can't keep up. Isn't it absolutely fucked up? But anyway,
Speaker 2: but I took French class. I was a French major
Speaker 2: in college. I was also a communications major. Am I
Speaker 2: using either of them today? Well, I guess we're communicating
Speaker 2: in time out French? So yes, But I was a
Speaker 2: French major and I just always took and you just
Speaker 2: had to take a French class basically every semester, and
Speaker 2: then if you studied abroad, which I did. I studied
Speaker 2: in Paris for a semester. I don't know why I'm
Speaker 2: not I didn't lead with this. I feel like I've
Speaker 2: got a real anyway. Yeah, you have a lot of
Speaker 2: I think a lot of French experience. But the best
Speaker 2: thing about taking French is that we talked about our
Speaker 2: teacher who would always have us bring in food for
Speaker 2: extra credit and stuff. But truly, every French class they
Speaker 2: have you bring in food and make food, and like
Speaker 2: it's kind of just you get to eat a lot.
Speaker 2: If you take a French class, like every semester, we
Speaker 2: would just be eating so much much food and it rocks.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a definite plus. I would be in French
Speaker 1: if I knew food was like part of.
Speaker 5: The It's center deal.
Speaker 3: Yeah, really, Licia, do you ever have nightmares that you're
Speaker 3: not in the most advanced class in high school?
Speaker 1: I actually I was definitely not. I was like pulled out.
Speaker 1: I have really bad ADHD. But I didn't know when
Speaker 1: I was a kid, so I was just always like
Speaker 1: being pulled out of class and like helped and stuff.
Speaker 1: It like didn't click, which is fine because I am
Speaker 1: like good at other things. But yeah, no, I was
Speaker 1: never in advanced classes. But I do have nightmares sometimes
Speaker 1: that I think I'm going to graduate college and then
Speaker 1: i find out I'm like two credits away and I'm
Speaker 1: like ready to go, and then yeah, I'm like meeting
Speaker 1: with counselors and I'm like, what do you mean I
Speaker 1: have five credits left?
Speaker 5: So I do have. I mean, it's kind of like.
Speaker 2: Similar, it is because it's like that feeling of like
Speaker 2: I'm not accomplishing the thing. I'm not going to get
Speaker 2: the degree it's like the stuff that like was probably
Speaker 2: really stressful for us when we were younger, and now
Speaker 2: when we're stressed out, we just revert or something when
Speaker 2: we're dreaming. It's very I know. And also if you
Speaker 2: think about it, I don't know, it's just it feels
Speaker 2: so crazy then when you wake up and you're like,
Speaker 2: at least for me, I'm like college was in high
Speaker 2: school especially, was such a long time ago. It was
Speaker 2: like eighty years ago. It's like five hundred million years ago.
Speaker 3: Alisha, do you have anxiety dreams like being a musician now,
Speaker 3: Like I have these dreams sometimes where like you're playing
Speaker 3: a big show and you can't find your guitar, you
Speaker 3: can't find your amp.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yes, yes.
Speaker 1: And in high school too, like when I was serving
Speaker 1: and in college, I was serving and I would have
Speaker 1: like dreams that I would be serving and then I
Speaker 1: wouldn't have any pants on and I.
Speaker 5: Was like panicking.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah.
Speaker 1: And then when I started playing shows, it was like
Speaker 1: the last one I had like this. It was like
Speaker 1: everyone was on stage except for me, and I couldn't
Speaker 1: get my guitar.
Speaker 5: But then I found it, but I forgot like how
Speaker 5: to walk.
Speaker 1: I was like oh my god, going on stage, and
Speaker 1: I think I was maybe like half awake, you know,
Speaker 1: when you're just like kind of conscious but you can't move,
Speaker 1: And I was like trying to crawl my way up
Speaker 1: on stage, and then I was kind of just.
Speaker 5: Laying on the floor and I woke up and I
Speaker 5: was like, oh my god.
Speaker 1: But I think it was like after COVID happened and
Speaker 1: like the idea of getting going again, it was just
Speaker 1: like fresh on my mind. But I am like, yes, dreams, nightmares,
Speaker 1: I've had all of them.
Speaker 5: It's like every night for me, very vivid totally.
Speaker 2: Do you know that I have a dream all the
Speaker 2: time that I'm just remembering all these dreams as we're
Speaker 2: talking that you know, I left SNL after seven years,
Speaker 2: but I have a dream that I keep going back
Speaker 2: and sort of being like maybe I'll do a writer's
Speaker 2: night and write some sketches and then like I'm not
Speaker 2: really turning anything in and then I'm like in one
Speaker 2: or two sketches and I but so then I've like
Speaker 2: kind of never left, and I'm like asking my managers
Speaker 2: like did they pay me for are they paying me
Speaker 2: for these shows? Because I'm like kind of still and
Speaker 2: then like I decided to come back and do like
Speaker 2: another season, but I'm kind of like there all the time,
Speaker 2: but it's like it's not going as well as the
Speaker 2: first seven seasons, and I just have so many dreams
Speaker 2: that I left. But I then I've come back, and
Speaker 2: now I just sort of come to the shows all
Speaker 2: the time and see if I can be in any schedule.
Speaker 4: People are asking themselves whyse Vanessa's still here.
Speaker 2: Not that they're asking, but that I'm sort of I
Speaker 2: wouldn't say being ignored, but I'm being sort of like
Speaker 2: nobody really cares that I'm there, and I'm just to
Speaker 2: the point where I'm sort of like I'm here, but
Speaker 2: I don't even know if I'm getting a paycheck from this.
Speaker 1: But those dreams, I feel like you're it's like you're
Speaker 1: always back in the moment, but you're like failing, yes,
Speaker 1: just a little bit.
Speaker 5: It's like they're it's always like.
Speaker 2: That, yes. And the thing of not being able to
Speaker 2: move your body fast enough, that's a huge one. I've
Speaker 2: being stuck, yes. And also I have so many dreams
Speaker 2: that I'm like running late for something and I or
Speaker 2: a trip and I have to pack, and I have
Speaker 2: so much stuff to pack and then I'm gonna miss
Speaker 2: my trip.
Speaker 5: God should that makes so stressful?
Speaker 2: So stressful, But also we're all doing great? Is that
Speaker 2: at the end of the day.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: I want to say that.
Speaker 1: It would be cool to, like ever in our lives
Speaker 1: experience having a dream where we're actually like doing well,
Speaker 1: like you never like you're never like in the dream
Speaker 1: like God, it was killing it. It's always like I
Speaker 1: was just barely making it. Does anybody care about me?
Speaker 2: I remember I had a dream once that I still
Speaker 2: remember kind of. We got to go to Tina Fey's apartment.
Speaker 2: This was before I was on SNL, this was years
Speaker 2: before it, and it was so cool and I was like,
Speaker 2: I guess I'm friends with Tina fe And then I
Speaker 2: woke up and I was so sad that I wasn't
Speaker 2: friends with that.
Speaker 3: That's a problem with having a good dream, is like
Speaker 3: you dream you of this go Car and then you
Speaker 3: wake up and you're like, I can't wait to write
Speaker 3: my go Car, and then you remember that you don't
Speaker 3: have it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Jonah has heard me talk.
Speaker 2: I mean all of our podcast listeners have heard me
Speaker 2: talk a million times about dream When I was a
Speaker 2: kid where I could jump down our stairs in our
Speaker 2: house from the top to the bottom. And then one
Speaker 2: time I woke up and tried to do it, and
Speaker 2: it was basically mathematically impossible because from in terms of
Speaker 2: the arc.
Speaker 4: That was gravity. Physics.
Speaker 2: Yeah physically, yeah, yeah, physically and in a physics way
Speaker 2: impossible because I wouldn't have been able to get the
Speaker 2: height unless I hovered above each stair at like two inches,
Speaker 2: which we've talked about. But anyways, I remember standing at
Speaker 2: the top of the stairs and being like, wait, I
Speaker 2: never really did this, and it was devastated.
Speaker 5: That's tough. That is tough. Alicia.
Speaker 3: When did you start sort of playing guitar, because for me,
Speaker 3: I was also not as into schools. Vanessa was very
Speaker 3: into playing guitar. Were you sort of was that something
Speaker 3: you were into like when you're in high school as well.
Speaker 1: No, I didn't really start playing electric guitar until I
Speaker 1: was like in college. I remember at one point in
Speaker 1: high school like saved up my money and got like
Speaker 1: some like starter acoustic guitar. But for me that was
Speaker 1: like way more difficult an electric guitar, and I feel
Speaker 1: like once I got electric guitar, it was actually.
Speaker 5: My roommates and then.
Speaker 1: Some like I got like a distortion pedal and a
Speaker 1: reverb and I was like, oh, everything just like changed
Speaker 1: for me. I was like, oh, I'm I can pretend
Speaker 1: to like kind of be good. And then I just
Speaker 1: like kept playing. But yeah, those like acoustic and electric guitar,
Speaker 1: my experiences with them are like so different. And now
Speaker 1: I can pick up an acoustic and it's no problem,
Speaker 1: but as far as like learning on it, it was
Speaker 1: just so frustrating.
Speaker 3: I remember I got my first guitar when I was
Speaker 3: maybe like fifteen, and I got one of this little
Speaker 3: practice amp. This company, Gorilla made this like practice amp
Speaker 3: and it was yellow, and I remember when they stold
Speaker 3: to me, They're like, don't use the distortion because that
Speaker 3: makes it easier to play, and it's and I was
Speaker 3: they were like, you want to learn to play cleate
Speaker 3: and like literally like the second you get home, You're like,
Speaker 3: I'm just gonna turn the stortion up all the way.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, I mean that. Yeah, And honestly I
Speaker 1: used distortion in almost every song, so yeah, yeah, to
Speaker 1: their point, I don't know about that, you know.
Speaker 2: Now, can I ask you both something that I just
Speaker 2: that I just thought of as guitar players. When you
Speaker 2: see people playing guitar in TV shows or movies and
Speaker 2: they're very clearly faking it, well, I guess it's a
Speaker 2: two part question. The first part is does that happen
Speaker 2: a lot where they actually do a bad job of
Speaker 2: making the person Like? Do you notice that a lot
Speaker 2: where the person isn't doing a good job of you
Speaker 2: can clearly tell the person can't really play guitar. And
Speaker 2: second of all, does it anger you in any way
Speaker 2: or do you just go that's life?
Speaker 5: Well?
Speaker 1: This is also reminded me of your Guys' theme song,
Speaker 1: and every time it comes on, I'm like, oh yeah.
Speaker 5: Just lay it on me.
Speaker 2: That's Jonah Yeah, some serious rops.
Speaker 5: Nice, thank you.
Speaker 3: Yeah that was and our producer Doug, we worked on that.
Speaker 3: He did the drums in the back and tracks, and
Speaker 3: then I put down that lead.
Speaker 5: It's so funny. I'm really proud of that bend.
Speaker 2: Yeah, really very Bevhills nine O two. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like the drama is like all there, You're
Speaker 1: just like, yes, let's.
Speaker 5: Go, let's I've no.
Speaker 1: I feel like whenever I watch movies or TV stuff
Speaker 1: with bands, it's usually like so insufferable, just like, really
Speaker 1: it's so hard to get it right and like realistic
Speaker 1: that I'm usually always like but like I like it,
Speaker 1: but I'm like creating so hard.
Speaker 3: Yeah, my perception is that it's gotten better recently with
Speaker 3: that kind of stuff because people with the Internet, maybe
Speaker 3: people are more critical because I feel like when we
Speaker 3: were kids, people would just be kind of playing whatever.
Speaker 3: And now I think I read something about that Queen
Speaker 3: movie where the actor actually learned how to play piano
Speaker 3: for the movie. Like I think now it's almost like
Speaker 3: part of it is doing it because so many people
Speaker 3: will come out on the Internet and say stuff like
Speaker 3: I think it's much more accurate today.
Speaker 2: Yes, oh that's good to know the Yeah, it's interesting
Speaker 2: you mentioned the piano because that's the only one as
Speaker 2: someone who played piano for a few years when we
Speaker 2: were younger, but also just understands how a piano works,
Speaker 2: which is more clear than like a guitar because it's
Speaker 2: just pressing down the you know, yeah, it is. I
Speaker 2: always I'm interested when they have people playing piano in
Speaker 2: TV and movies and how are they going to show it?
Speaker 2: And if you know, the person's not usually it's someone
Speaker 2: who's really.
Speaker 3: Good, pretty impressive in that movie. Did you did either?
Speaker 3: You see that the Queen movie?
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
Speaker 3: There's a scene where I can't remember the guy's name,
Speaker 3: but he's like lying on the floor kind of playing
Speaker 3: the piano above him, and he's playing it accurately.
Speaker 5: I'm pretty sure.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I kind of feel like they maybe make
Speaker 1: a point to try and figure that out or get
Speaker 1: a good double because I remember I like did this
Speaker 1: thing where I wrote some songs for this movie that
Speaker 1: Elizabeth Moss was supposed to play them in, and I
Speaker 1: sent her like actual videos of my hands and she
Speaker 1: had a guitar teacher teach it to her, and that
Speaker 1: was like even a smaller kind of like yeah film. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So I feel like if they're doing it on like
Speaker 1: that level, then if if it's like a massive movie
Speaker 1: about music, I could see them being like, you need
Speaker 1: to be able to pull this off.
Speaker 2: Well, should we take a quick commercial break and we'll
Speaker 2: be right back with Alicia aka Bully.
Speaker 4: And we're back.
Speaker 3: So, Alicia, I wanted to ask really quick before you
Speaker 3: get into our topic, which is incredible. I read that
Speaker 3: you interned at Electrical Audio. Is that true?
Speaker 5: Yes? Yeah, h How was it? It was really good.
Speaker 1: I mean I think I like learned more in those
Speaker 1: three months than I did throughout all of college.
Speaker 5: Studying audio engineering.
Speaker 1: But I just got along with everybody there really well.
Speaker 1: And they kind of just gave me the keys and
Speaker 1: were like, you can if no one's using a studio,
Speaker 1: you can, Like they had practice reels of tape that
Speaker 1: you could work on. And then I went back and
Speaker 1: I actually ended up tracking the first two records there
Speaker 1: and doing it all on tape and like mixing it
Speaker 1: there too. But so it ended up being like a
Speaker 1: part of my life for a while. But it was
Speaker 1: really incredible.
Speaker 3: Did you get to use any I know, they make
Speaker 3: those guitars and stuff, Did you get to use any
Speaker 3: of that type of gear?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I mean I messed around with it, but I
Speaker 1: was more so just like kind of you know, assisting
Speaker 1: and kind of just being there whenever people would need
Speaker 1: me to move stuff around or get things plugged up
Speaker 1: or whatever. But I basically would just sit back and
Speaker 1: then take notes on everything and all my questions. And
Speaker 1: I actually had a camera and I would take pictures
Speaker 1: of mic placement and stuff, and I still have them
Speaker 1: in a photo book. To like reference because I actually
Speaker 1: got to be there when they were doing an orchestra,
Speaker 1: which is like a dream if you're studying engineering, because
Speaker 1: there's like every different, you know, musical instrument that you
Speaker 1: get to see being miked. And then when the session
Speaker 1: would be over, I would like ask all my questions
Speaker 1: and stuff. But I didn't really like sit down and
Speaker 1: mess with like the guitars and pedals.
Speaker 5: But I did. I did pick them up a few times.
Speaker 3: Sure, sure, Well. People might not know about me, is
Speaker 3: that you know. I went to school. I major in television,
Speaker 3: radio and audio production. So my original plan was to
Speaker 3: kind of be an engineer. I didn't know that, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: it was.
Speaker 2: That you're my brother, and I didn't know that that's
Speaker 2: absolutely messing. Yeah, sorry, I'll let you talk to me.
Speaker 3: So so yeah, so I took out two classes and
Speaker 3: I had this sort of realization when I was I
Speaker 3: guess in my early t I guess when I was
Speaker 3: in school. I changed to a writing major because I
Speaker 3: was like, I don't like a lot of these bands
Speaker 3: I'm recording, and if this is my job, I'm going
Speaker 3: to have to record all these jam bands and all
Speaker 3: that stuff I don't like. Yeah, and I was that
Speaker 3: for me was enough to be like, I don't think
Speaker 3: I want to do this. Yeah, was that ever a
Speaker 3: concern of yours? I mean that also seems a little immature,
Speaker 3: but yeah.
Speaker 1: No, I mean I wouldn't mix something that I didn't like.
Speaker 1: But I guess I'm also fortunate that I kind of
Speaker 1: have the choice to not do that. But if you're
Speaker 1: going specifically for that, you're going to have to do that.
Speaker 1: But yeah, school for me was just I didn't like
Speaker 1: the engineering course at Art thing because everything was on
Speaker 1: pro tools, and like pro tools is if you see
Speaker 1: it and you see the transport of it, it's like
Speaker 1: fully mimics a tape machine. But for some reason, we
Speaker 1: weren't learning on the tape machine. So once I got
Speaker 1: around a tape machine, everything just like made a lot
Speaker 1: more sense versus pro Tools, which was kind of like, oh,
Speaker 1: if it stops working, restart your computer and you're just like, oh,
Speaker 1: I feel like I have no control. But yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean I definitely if I would have just stuck with engineering,
Speaker 1: I kind of did engineering so that I would have
Speaker 1: no excuse to not start like playing music and be
Speaker 1: able to record my own stuff.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but that's smart. That's smart.
Speaker 3: I was there right the change over from analyt to digital,
Speaker 3: so we were just starting pro tools. We still had
Speaker 3: to splice tapes with exact o nice and yo, so.
Speaker 5: Fun, so fun.
Speaker 1: I love that marking, like the spot erasing and you're
Speaker 1: marking it and you're like slowly moving it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I so fun.
Speaker 2: Wow, Andessa, what do you think I think? I uh,
Speaker 2: I think I'm not following. That sounds very very cool. Well,
Speaker 2: speaking of very cool things.
Speaker 3: Today's topic, at least, you said us so many great topics,
Speaker 3: and the one we decided on was belly button rings
Speaker 3: otherwise known as naval piercings. Yes, yes, and yeah. What
Speaker 3: was it about this topic that that kind of brought
Speaker 3: to mind for you? How do you kind of look
Speaker 3: back on this.
Speaker 1: I remember getting my navel ring when I was like thirteen,
Speaker 1: and I just maybe I was thinking about it because
Speaker 1: I think it's kind of coming back, which made.
Speaker 2: It we Yes, we were reading some research about it.
Speaker 2: It's absolutely coming back.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and that's pretty rough.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know if we need to go
Speaker 1: back there, but yeah, I just remember it being such
Speaker 1: like a staple. It was like so and So's got
Speaker 1: their belly button piers. But really it's like, if you
Speaker 1: think about it, like pretty.
Speaker 2: Gross, right right?
Speaker 5: Total? Like why why was that? It's just like a
Speaker 5: specific area.
Speaker 4: So at thirteen, are you you have to have a
Speaker 4: parent bring you or did you have to?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Okay, what was that process?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 1: I think that either my dad took my friend and
Speaker 1: I or my friend's dad took my friend and I.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 1: I feel like when I was in high school and
Speaker 1: middle school, piercings were like really big, Like I remember
Speaker 1: the cartilage piers being a thing. Yeah, I had like
Speaker 1: an industrial bar at one point that I like permanently
Speaker 1: have a scar from not taking care of properly. Like,
Speaker 1: but yeah, thirteen, the belly button rings were really.
Speaker 2: What year if you don't mind my asking, because what
Speaker 2: year were you thirteen in?
Speaker 5: I'm thirty three. I'm thirty three.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, so you're like ten years younger than us.
Speaker 2: So I feel like we were at the age that
Speaker 2: like we were sort of old enough to go on
Speaker 2: our own and get them and could just absolutely go
Speaker 2: nuts and get the most stupid piercings.
Speaker 5: Yeah I got.
Speaker 3: I got my tongue pierced on my eighteenth birthday, So then,
Speaker 3: and then I tried to hide it from my parents
Speaker 3: and my.
Speaker 2: And it just wasn't talking.
Speaker 4: I just wasn't talking at dinner. My tongue was completely swollen.
Speaker 2: But also I was always the much bigger talker, so
Speaker 2: no one really thought that was that out of the ordinary.
Speaker 2: Like he was there, he was eating dinner, so it
Speaker 2: was like, you know, we're all took a long time.
Speaker 2: But then didn't you say you were just like sneaking
Speaker 2: a bunch of ice cubes from the kitchen.
Speaker 3: But I remember it, yeah, because I didn't really do
Speaker 3: a lot of research on it, and so yeah, I
Speaker 3: didn't realize my tongue would be so swollen for like
Speaker 3: two days and it would Yeah, it hurt for sure.
Speaker 2: I got my tragis pierced right around my eighteenth birthday,
Speaker 2: because I guess it wasn't my eighteenth birthday, but it
Speaker 2: was right before I went to college and I was eighteen,
Speaker 2: And I remember sleeping in my dorm room the first
Speaker 2: night and having like the salt on my ear, like
Speaker 2: to so that it wouldn't get infected or whatever, like
Speaker 2: the bad does your tragis? Your tragis is yeah, exactly, Okay,
Speaker 2: And you know I still have it pierced, and at
Speaker 2: different times I would take it out, especially when I
Speaker 2: was on SNL because especially when I would play like
Speaker 2: the bar MIT's footboy and.
Speaker 5: Stuff, it was like a little tupunk for that character.
Speaker 2: But I have it back in now. Whenever people see it,
Speaker 2: their first question is did that hurt so much? Because
Speaker 2: I think it looks like it hurts the most because
Speaker 2: it's like the hardest part of cartilage.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean that's it.
Speaker 2: It's pretty thick, But it only hurts for a second.
Speaker 2: It hurts when they're closing because I have like a
Speaker 2: loop thing in there. It hurts when they're closing in
Speaker 2: and putting that little ball in or whatever so that
Speaker 2: it stays closed. But and by loop, I mean who, So.
Speaker 3: Alicia, did a lot of your friends have belly button
Speaker 3: rings during this era? Was it like what kind of
Speaker 3: put it on your radar?
Speaker 1: No? I mean I think it was just like me
Speaker 1: and my other friend. I don't know what put it on.
Speaker 1: I mean probably like MTV put it on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, I was gonna say, Jonah found there's a
Speaker 2: piece of pop culture, and I wonder if you can
Speaker 2: guess what it is that really put belly button piercing's
Speaker 2: on the mat.
Speaker 5: Christina Aguilera, Well that's one.
Speaker 4: There's a bunch, there's a bunch, I guess, you know.
Speaker 3: According to Wikipedia, at first hit the mainstream when model
Speaker 3: Christy Turlington revealed her naval piercing at a fashion show
Speaker 3: in London in nineteen ninety three, which who could forget that?
Speaker 2: Who could forget that? But the popularization of.
Speaker 3: It was a nineteen ninety three Aerosmith's music video for
Speaker 3: Crying where Alicia Silverstone gets her.
Speaker 5: Naval piers video.
Speaker 2: Remember, she gets it pierced on in the music video.
Speaker 2: She gets it pierced and then We've talked about this
Speaker 2: music video before, and I've said that I always thought
Speaker 2: that when she goes bungee jumping at the end of
Speaker 2: the video, her name piercing is somehow involved. It's not,
Speaker 2: but my friend Rachel told me she also thought that,
Speaker 2: So I'm not crazy.
Speaker 3: But yeah, there's a scene where she gets a pierced
Speaker 3: and I guess that was sort of like a mainstream
Speaker 3: moment where everyone was like, well, Licia's stillson's gained down
Speaker 3: this arasth video.
Speaker 5: I should just do this.
Speaker 1: Yes, it was I feel like it was like I related,
Speaker 1: it seemed like so angsty at the time, but yeah,
Speaker 1: that was just like my relationship with it. But that's
Speaker 1: kind of like how I felt like. It was like
Speaker 1: I'm so complicated, I've got my belly button here, and.
Speaker 2: It's so interesting what goes from edgy to sort of
Speaker 2: more like new metal.
Speaker 3: Like I feel like, like eyebrow piercings used to be
Speaker 3: we're also around that era cool, but those haven't come
Speaker 3: back in the same way.
Speaker 4: But I do think like they kind of seemed new
Speaker 4: metal to me in a way.
Speaker 2: I brought piercing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, But then what
Speaker 2: about stuff that because to me, like if.
Speaker 3: You're in a band called like Sewage or something, you
Speaker 3: can I got it. Okay, that's okay to me.
Speaker 2: Belly button piercings went from being sort of cool and
Speaker 2: like edgy to sort of the thing that I would
Speaker 2: compare them to.
Speaker 5: And this is no burn.
Speaker 2: To anyone who has one of these is like a
Speaker 2: butterfly on your lower back. Like that used to be
Speaker 2: so cool because it was like, you know, you have
Speaker 2: like this little tattoo and you're actually kind of edgy,
Speaker 2: Whereas now if you see someone with a butterfly tattoo
Speaker 2: on their lower back. It's like not considered edgy.
Speaker 1: At all, right, right, it's yeah, definitely not no, that
Speaker 1: is Yeah, that's quite a sight. Yeah, no, because then
Speaker 1: I feel like it was in like I mean, they
Speaker 1: were just the belly button rings were just everywhere.
Speaker 5: Yeah, they almost got like.
Speaker 1: Pop kind of like kind of like yeah, from edgy
Speaker 1: to like very mainstream pop almost.
Speaker 2: Yes, and then you could get like little charms coming
Speaker 2: off of them. Remember that would be people would have
Speaker 2: such elaborate I don't know, people would treat them sort
Speaker 2: of like earrings, like and they had like little rhinestones
Speaker 2: and stuff.
Speaker 5: Like that, like a little fairy, like a little heart.
Speaker 2: A little fairy, a little heart.
Speaker 5: I mean, oh my gosh.
Speaker 2: And it was yet still considered edgy.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And then I found an article in in Style magazine
Speaker 3: recently that says gen Z wants belly button rings to
Speaker 3: be a thing again, talks about how they're big on TikTok.
Speaker 3: Just Piercer says they've been doing more than ever because
Speaker 3: celebrities like Billie Eilish and Normani have them. Yeah, it's
Speaker 3: it's apparently coming back with gen Z.
Speaker 2: You know, I will say this. The thing that about
Speaker 2: piercings in general is they are a good way to
Speaker 2: sort of change something up and try and be a
Speaker 2: little edgy because unless you're stretching or doing something like
Speaker 2: pretty extreme, you can just take them out and it's
Speaker 2: sort of a nice whereas like tattoos and other stuff like,
Speaker 2: you are committed. So I just think, particularly butterfly tattoos
Speaker 2: on your lower back, you know that that's I guess
Speaker 2: My point is.
Speaker 5: I guess that's not going anywhere. You dive in, and
Speaker 5: that's you're committment.
Speaker 2: You're committed.
Speaker 1: I feel like when I used to it in trouble,
Speaker 1: my like kind of like middle Finger would be I
Speaker 1: would sit in my bathroom and I would pierce.
Speaker 5: My own ears.
Speaker 1: I do like the ice cube in the needle with
Speaker 1: the apple in the back, and I would be like, well,
Speaker 1: if I'm grounded, I guess my ears are going to be.
Speaker 5: Pierced for the fourth time. And I just had like
Speaker 5: four piercings up each ear.
Speaker 1: But like, the thing that's weird about belly button rings
Speaker 1: is like it's such a small piece of skin.
Speaker 5: It's like such a small piece of skin, but the
Speaker 5: bar is like so thick.
Speaker 2: Right, Do you remember feeling like it was heavy or
Speaker 2: do not feel it?
Speaker 1: I just remember thinking like, this is a pretty thin
Speaker 1: layer of skin over this, like bah, like yes, I
Speaker 1: feel like there's no way that it could have been
Speaker 1: flattering in any way.
Speaker 5: It may have just been like huh, that doesn't really
Speaker 5: look like that was supposed to happen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it feels like it's so cool to like show
Speaker 2: your mid drift and you're like, look at me in
Speaker 2: this cool short top and I'm absolutely rocking it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's my impression of that person. And then it's like
Speaker 2: an and I have a piercing here too, so it's like,
Speaker 2: look at my stomach, it looks rad or something.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean I think worse things could come back
Speaker 3: from the nineties. Yeah, it's not What do you think.
Speaker 2: Would be the worst thing? Jonah? Probably.
Speaker 3: I mean my mind went to, like, all of a sudden,
Speaker 3: kids are smoking Marlboro reds or something, right, but right,
Speaker 3: you know that could come back and they're smoking them
Speaker 3: indoors at Denny's like all that stuff.
Speaker 4: Obviously the way worse than.
Speaker 2: So many such a set of circumstances.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, honestly, if I came back, I'd be
Speaker 1: like no, I mean again, I don't know better than
Speaker 1: a butterfly tattoo.
Speaker 5: No shave on butterfly tattoos.
Speaker 4: But but how do you feel about gen Z bringing
Speaker 4: back the belly button ring?
Speaker 5: What are your thoughts on it? I mean, I just
Speaker 5: I guess just like live your life however you want.
Speaker 1: Sure, I feel like to Vanessa's point, it is nice
Speaker 1: that it is something you can just take out, but
Speaker 1: like piercings have, at least in my experience, they're never
Speaker 1: worth the effort of like them.
Speaker 2: Up keep yes, totally because if they get infected, it's
Speaker 2: such a nightmare.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the like idea of keeping your infected piercing like
Speaker 1: it looks like it's like you can see that it's infected,
Speaker 1: but you're like too proud to take it out. It's
Speaker 1: just like this is it's such a weird thing to
Speaker 1: be like, look at this thing. But also mine is
Speaker 1: like swollen in my kind of pussy, but I totally
Speaker 1: used to take it out. It's like why did I
Speaker 1: Why did I do that?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Why did I do this?
Speaker 1: Now?
Speaker 2: I have a question for both of you. I'm calling
Speaker 2: this a nineties challenge question. Okay, if you had to
Speaker 2: walk around for an entire day in public with either
Speaker 2: a exposed naval piercing or a co ed naked T shirt.
Speaker 2: Remember those T shirts? Yeah, oh yeah, we would you
Speaker 2: pick naval piercing for me? Is yeah, I was strutting it.
Speaker 2: I was, you know, same, but today you'd have to
Speaker 2: do it probably that same Jonah, I'm.
Speaker 3: Trying to think of like a situation where my navel
Speaker 3: exposed just walking around in public. But I will say
Speaker 3: I would go with that over I feel like it
Speaker 3: would be Yeah, I don't think I could wear the shirt.
Speaker 5: I think that would be.
Speaker 2: The shirt that to me was like, that would be
Speaker 2: the worst thing that would come back from the nineties,
Speaker 2: where's this T shirt?
Speaker 3: There was this weird almost like jock kind of like
Speaker 3: sports shirts that were also like weirdly misspatching this at
Speaker 3: the same time, but we're super you would.
Speaker 2: Get those sporting good stores is where you would buy
Speaker 2: those T shirts. It's so weird. Yeah, wasn't that weird
Speaker 2: that that was such a thing. Cod naked T shirts?
Speaker 4: It's like, yeah, you don't see them anymore. You don't
Speaker 4: see them.
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, now that I've silenced everyone, it's time to
Speaker 2: go to a commercial break, but we'll be right fast.
Speaker 4: All right, Now, we'd like to play a game with you.
Speaker 3: We call Back to the Present, Jordan Vanessa, We've got
Speaker 3: to go back to the present.
Speaker 2: This game kind of goes seamlessly from what we were
Speaker 2: just talking about, but so basically back to the present.
Speaker 2: The name of the game is a take on the
Speaker 2: nostalgic Back to the Future franchise, so just kind of
Speaker 2: want to get credit for that. And in this segment
Speaker 2: we say something from our childhood that we wish would
Speaker 2: come back. So to give you a little time to
Speaker 2: think about something, we'll say ours first. But it can
Speaker 2: be a snack, it can be a toy, it can
Speaker 2: be a game, it can be a TV show, it
Speaker 2: can be anything that you would want to bring back
Speaker 2: from your childhood. Jonah, would you like to go first?
Speaker 3: Sure, So, I don't know if you'll remember this, but
Speaker 3: what I would like to bring back is the Carvin
Speaker 3: guitar mail order catalog.
Speaker 5: Do you familiar with this?
Speaker 3: So no, yeah, this might have been I remember, do
Speaker 3: you remember in the nineties there was this company Carvin
Speaker 3: which is now I guess called Kaiser Guitars, and all
Speaker 3: of the guitars they made were custom and they had
Speaker 3: like basically a mail order catalog where you could look
Speaker 3: at all the guitars. And I would look at this
Speaker 3: catalog just for hours, and they had all those kind
Speaker 3: of like flamed finishes and very kind of like gaudy.
Speaker 3: I would just look at this carving catalog over and over.
Speaker 3: And I guess they close their California factory in twenty seventeen,
Speaker 3: but they relaunched in twenty eighteen. Now it's called Kaisl
Speaker 3: and I guess they still build electric acoustic MIDI synth
Speaker 3: guitars and basses.
Speaker 5: And what's so weird is that I really want this
Speaker 5: to come back. But as an adult, I get so
Speaker 5: many catalogs in the mail.
Speaker 3: Me and my wife let any mattress like organic mattress company,
Speaker 3: or like clothing or shoes, any product. We get the catalogs,
Speaker 3: and I hate getting them and I recycle them. But
Speaker 3: if I got a guitar catalog, like a carving catalog,
Speaker 3: I would be totally into it. So I don't like
Speaker 3: getting catalogs, but I really would like to still get
Speaker 3: this catalog, even though probably wouldn't buy anything from it.
Speaker 2: And do you think it's because like when you were
Speaker 2: a kid, you sort of dream about what custom catalog A.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because I didn't have any money and I wasn't
Speaker 3: actually able to buy the stuff in there, but it
Speaker 3: was fun to kind of look at all, you know,
Speaker 3: pick stuff out. And same with the Musician's Friend catalog. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that was a big one, and you know you just
Speaker 3: go through it and just circle all the stuff you wanted.
Speaker 3: Once you're an adult, well I think that's great.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that would be cool, Thank you so much.
Speaker 4: Do either you get a lot of catalogs? Is that
Speaker 4: just a pervasive thing?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 5: I never get catalog really. I was surprised to hear
Speaker 5: you say that. You guys get it.
Speaker 2: Do you get a lot?
Speaker 4: You get a lot?
Speaker 3: I think sometimes if I buy something, I get on
Speaker 3: some mailing list or like I said, me and my
Speaker 3: wife and it's just only happened maybe like a year
Speaker 3: or so ago, and now we just get catalogs every day,
Speaker 3: so many.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, you know I loved catalogs when I was
Speaker 2: a kid. I don't know if I remember that. I
Speaker 2: ordered so many of our house and my friends and
Speaker 2: I would call in different voices and act like we
Speaker 2: were adults with different accents and order catalogs to other
Speaker 2: people's houses and ours?
Speaker 4: Have you been doing that to us?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 4: Okay, not yet, not yet.
Speaker 2: Get ready for it. You know, it's so funny that
Speaker 2: I used to do, which is like so stupid. I
Speaker 2: just had a memory of it when you asked me
Speaker 2: that I used to order catalogs. First of all, as
Speaker 2: I said, I would talk in an accent, and I
Speaker 2: would think that I was really getting one over on
Speaker 2: the catalog but would be I'd say, I remember calling
Speaker 2: this one jewelry cataloging and saying, now I heard that
Speaker 2: your catalog's just the best thing since sloss bread. I
Speaker 2: remember doing that from Julie Hill's house, and I remember
Speaker 2: the woman laughing and me being like, oh my god,
Speaker 2: she thinks I'm this this like woman with this funny accent.
Speaker 2: But I'm sure she was laughing. She was like a
Speaker 2: little kid is calling me.
Speaker 5: In a Southern accent.
Speaker 2: And I remember saying, your catalog's the best thing since
Speaker 2: sloss bread.
Speaker 4: And I remember, my what since what kind of bread?
Speaker 2: Slashed floss bread?
Speaker 1: Even like a like a pizza hut or like ordering
Speaker 1: pizza phone call, it's an accent is gonna come out.
Speaker 2: Yes, I gotta do an accent. But anyways, the other
Speaker 2: thing I used to do is sort of prank our
Speaker 2: family because I would order catalogs. This is so stupid,
Speaker 2: but I would order them to like Maurice Speyer or
Speaker 2: like or like Timothy Bayer. Like I would just order.
Speaker 2: So I remember, like I just had like this memory
Speaker 2: of looking at our counter and there was like a
Speaker 2: catalog to like Maurice Speyer or something, and just being like,
Speaker 2: oh man, I really got us.
Speaker 4: That's like my Jean Claude moment in French class. You
Speaker 4: really like you're getting one over in the world.
Speaker 2: And really the joke's on you.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that'sh your family.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: I was going to do a different one, but because
Speaker 2: you did a catalog, I was so inspired. Jonah. Sure
Speaker 2: the catalog that I wish would come back that I
Speaker 2: think actually still exists but maybe is more popular now
Speaker 2: is a website than a catalog. Is the Delias Catalog. Alicia.
Speaker 2: Were you into the Delias Catalog at all?
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yes, yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean we're talking the hippest, coolest clothing for girls
Speaker 2: and teens. I remember they had the They were just
Speaker 2: like very kind of like sort of alternative clothing but
Speaker 2: just really cool. So a big thing was the postal
Speaker 2: pants that had a stripe down the side. Oh that
Speaker 2: was absolutely cool. Another thing was I feel like they
Speaker 2: had a lot of platform shoes, cool sweaters, just sort
Speaker 2: of like a little bit not grunge, but almost sort
Speaker 2: of off center kind of stuff that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, like they really knew how to use a
Speaker 1: flower print. I feel like it was like just a
Speaker 1: bunch of little flowers, but in like a kind of
Speaker 1: edgy way.
Speaker 2: It was kind of skatery, Yeah it was. Yeah, it
Speaker 2: was kind of skatery but sort of feminine. So I
Speaker 2: just remember thinking, I remember my friend Kitty's sister Anne Ann,
Speaker 2: who's in your grade Jonah, had the Postal pants, and
Speaker 2: I remember being like, well, I guess this is officially
Speaker 2: the coolest person in the world. I wonder if they
Speaker 2: still sell the postal pants. I'm actually gonna look it up.
Speaker 1: They would have like a silver reflective stripe yea the
Speaker 1: middle exactly.
Speaker 2: It was like, these are postal pants, but they're a
Speaker 2: little more gla and cool for a fun team to wear.
Speaker 2: But I remember like having that catalog and circling stuff
Speaker 2: in it. That was a big thing.
Speaker 3: With me.
Speaker 2: I've brought up before, is like I love to go
Speaker 2: through catalogs and circle all the stuff I'm going to
Speaker 2: buy and then end up generally not getting any of it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, because, and.
Speaker 4: You've also talked about it.
Speaker 3: You'd pick out stuff you wanted to buy as an adult,
Speaker 3: but want to buy it as a kid, so you
Speaker 3: had it in your closet.
Speaker 2: When we did the episode where we were talking about
Speaker 2: the Guns N' Roses video trilogy, I'd said it made
Speaker 2: me think about Stephanie Seymour, who was married to Exel
Speaker 2: Rosen and a lot of those videos, who was a model.
Speaker 2: A lot in the Victoria's Secret Catalog can be. When
Speaker 2: we used to get this Victoria's Secret Catalog, and I
Speaker 2: love the clothes in it. I thought the clothes in
Speaker 2: it were absolutely perfect for some of them were more loungewar,
Speaker 2: like sweatshirts and stretch pants, but then some of them
Speaker 2: were like skirt suits and stuff, and I remember thinking, oh, God,
Speaker 2: like this will be perfect for when I'm an adult
Speaker 2: and I'm a businesswoman and I have to I'm so
Speaker 2: stressed out because I want to buy the stuff now,
Speaker 2: but I don't know exactly what size all be in
Speaker 2: twenty years. So it's just and I remember having like
Speaker 2: a real crisis of conscience of like, Okay, I can
Speaker 2: buy the stuff now, but maybe it'll still be in
Speaker 2: the catalog in twenty years. And I don't know exactly
Speaker 2: what my job's going to be, and I don't know
Speaker 2: exactly what color I want to get it in twenty
Speaker 2: years from now. So it was just really really stressful.
Speaker 2: But yeah, the clothes in Victoria's Secret, I thought this
Speaker 2: is the perfect thing to where if you're a business
Speaker 2: woman going you're a big corporate job. Oh my gosh,
Speaker 2: So Alicia, what would you bring back if you could
Speaker 2: bring back anything, it does not have to be a catalog.
Speaker 2: I know we made it seem like it does well.
Speaker 1: I mean I could stay like on the topic of books,
Speaker 1: I feel like, yes, well it never really worked the
Speaker 1: way that I like planned for it too. But do
Speaker 1: you remember those like at grade clips, those haircut books
Speaker 1: that you could look through and then you would.
Speaker 5: Be like, y, that's a haircut I want?
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, I would maybe bring those back, Like I said, like,
Speaker 1: I never really had much success with them. I remember
Speaker 1: one time I was like I got dropped off at
Speaker 1: Great clips. I think I was like maybe eleven, and
Speaker 1: I like picked out this cut, and I feel like
Speaker 1: whenever I pick up stuff like that, I always like
Speaker 1: think that somehow I'm gonna look like that person, Like
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be like, yeah, maybe I'll be like a
Speaker 1: step closer to that model.
Speaker 5: But it's like, yeah, that's just not my face. But
Speaker 5: it's hard to separate the two.
Speaker 1: And I remember like picking out this cut and like
Speaker 1: every time I go in like being like this is it,
Speaker 1: Like this is my moment, Like I'm gonna change.
Speaker 5: This is gonna be a really good look for me.
Speaker 1: And she gave me the cut and I like looked
Speaker 1: in the mirror and I started like tearing up, and
Speaker 1: she was like.
Speaker 5: How how is it? And I was like it's so good,
Speaker 5: Like it's so great.
Speaker 1: And then I walked outside and I got on the
Speaker 1: car and I was crying and I was like, it
Speaker 1: look like a dog. And my dad was like, what
Speaker 1: are you talking about. It's fine. And then I got
Speaker 1: home and one of my sisters looked at me and
Speaker 1: she goes, you look like a dog.
Speaker 2: I was like, oh my god, isn't it funny how
Speaker 2: when you're a kid it's so hard to stand up
Speaker 2: and tell people what I remember youon'a shopping with Mom
Speaker 2: for the suit. I was gonna work to hear barmitz fa.
Speaker 2: I just had a memory of this, and I remember
Speaker 2: this whole We went to this kind of little boutiqui
Speaker 2: store that this woman owned, and I remember like trying
Speaker 2: this whole suit on and they were like it looks great,
Speaker 2: and Mom was like, yeah, it looks great, and the
Speaker 2: woman was like it's wonderful. And I was like uh
Speaker 2: huh huh. And then the moment we got we got
Speaker 2: in the car, I was like, I hate it.
Speaker 5: I'm I'm like still like that when I get here.
Speaker 2: I it's like you don't want to disrespect an adult
Speaker 2: or the person who like whose work it is or
Speaker 2: whatever whose store it is. And I just remember being like, yeah,
Speaker 2: this is really great. Or even at department stores, like
Speaker 2: with them, we had a real journey finding my suit
Speaker 2: for your Barmit's pajonah my skirt suit. But I remember
Speaker 2: being at like Higbee's before it was Dillard's and trying
Speaker 2: on stuff and the salesperson being like that looks great,
Speaker 2: and then the moment she would like close the thing
Speaker 2: and I was just with Mom, I'd be like, I
Speaker 2: hate it, whereas now I can at least say to
Speaker 2: salespeople like, yeah, I don't think it's for me, you know,
Speaker 2: And I don't think I'm gonna like hurt their feelings
Speaker 2: because it's also they didn't make it.
Speaker 5: I feel like it's kind of similar. Sometimes.
Speaker 1: It's even like that when you go out to eat
Speaker 1: and the waiters like really pushing something and oh my god,
Speaker 1: I had to get worse and then you're like.
Speaker 5: What fuck, And then you're like order and you're like, yeah,
Speaker 5: want that. I just I couldn't say no to you.
Speaker 3: I always feel weird when they really recommend something strong
Speaker 3: and then I don't want it and I don't order it.
Speaker 3: But then I'm like, should I acknowledge that, like this
Speaker 3: sounds fine but not for me, or like, because it
Speaker 3: seems weird when they're like this thing's so great and
Speaker 3: then they come to like what do you want? I'm
Speaker 3: like not that, yeah, like it seems like insulting.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I had an experience once and I won't never forget it,
Speaker 2: and I've talked to him about it recently. But I
Speaker 2: had an experience with dad where one time we went
Speaker 2: to lunch in like Mayfield Heights and we went to
Speaker 2: this sort of nice lunch place. I think it was
Speaker 2: called like the Bellflower or something.
Speaker 5: That's not what it was, but it was anyway, sounds fancy.
Speaker 2: It was fancy, and we were getting lunch and I
Speaker 2: had a book with me because I think I was
Speaker 2: in high school and I was reading some book and
Speaker 2: the server she was so nice, like she was like,
Speaker 2: what would you guys like well, and she was like,
Speaker 2: what's that book? I'm going to borrow that and she
Speaker 2: was like just giving us and then we were sort
Speaker 2: of asking her. She was like what should we get
Speaker 2: and she said something's a salad or a vegeberg or
Speaker 2: something was like really good, and we were like okay,
Speaker 2: and then she walked away. And then when we came,
Speaker 2: she might have literally taken the book and was like
Speaker 2: I'm going to take a look at this or whatever.
Speaker 2: And she came back for us to order, and we
Speaker 2: didn't order whatever she had recommended, and she turned on us,
Speaker 2: like she truly did the thing that you're always scared
Speaker 2: that someone's going to do, where she was like okay,
Speaker 2: and then we were like ordering or again and she's
Speaker 2: like yeah, great, and then she was mean to us
Speaker 2: for the rest of the lunch. And it seems like
Speaker 2: I made it up because that's like such an irrational
Speaker 2: fear that you have at restaurants that you're going to
Speaker 2: offend the server. But she really and I'll never forget
Speaker 2: it because I was like, this is crazy, Like this
Speaker 2: woman is that mad that we're not ordering the things
Speaker 2: she recommended? Like why would she care? So anyway, at.
Speaker 4: Leasta, did you say you worked as a server? Yeah,
Speaker 4: what do you think is going on?
Speaker 3: Do you think the manager's like just push these, we
Speaker 3: got to get rid of these, or do you what
Speaker 3: do you think is the situation there?
Speaker 5: I mean, I think maybe she was like having a
Speaker 5: bad day.
Speaker 2: Sure, but she started out so pleasant, she started out great.
Speaker 1: I should rephrase that. I don't think she was having
Speaker 1: a bad day. I think maybe she was taking a
Speaker 1: few things out on you guys. That maybe right right right,
Speaker 1: I hear you. She was very sensitive that day.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: When I was in high school, I mean, I've worked
Speaker 1: a ton of restaurants, but I started as like a
Speaker 1: host and then busboy, and then eventually was a server
Speaker 1: and a couple of my friends had the job and
Speaker 1: I had like no idea how any of us got it,
Speaker 1: because it was like kind of fancy, like we were
Speaker 1: supposed to be like pairing steaks with wine, but we
Speaker 1: were like seventeen and like I didn't even fully understand
Speaker 1: steak temperature. So we were just kind of like going
Speaker 1: around that restaurant just like bullshitting everybody, Like I would
Speaker 1: do a cabernet with like the fried mozzarella, like it's
Speaker 1: going to really bring up the flavors. And I feel
Speaker 1: like we got away with that, and so I kind
Speaker 1: of feel like this woman was maybe just taking things
Speaker 1: a little too far, like yeah, you know right, it
Speaker 1: was just.
Speaker 5: That seems like a bit much.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it definitely was, to the point that I still
Speaker 2: remember it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And so Dad was on board with this. This
Speaker 4: wasn't just your person.
Speaker 2: So we've talked about it recently and I was like,
Speaker 2: do you remember this and he was like, yeah, I
Speaker 2: kind of do. Yeah, it just because she was so
Speaker 2: like sort of effusive and so sweet and wanted to
Speaker 2: know what I was reading and was just like so
Speaker 2: all in on us when we got there, and then
Speaker 2: the moment we didn't order what she recommended, it was
Speaker 2: like a one eighty.
Speaker 5: She's like, I've never forgotten that either.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was just like very messed up.
Speaker 1: So I could see like feeling so much shame and
Speaker 1: guilt for that for like months after that experience as
Speaker 1: a child.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think because I was a teenager, I was
Speaker 2: like old enough to be like this woman, something's wrong
Speaker 2: with her today, you know, like she's but yeah, but
Speaker 2: also just to go back to what you were saying,
Speaker 2: we used to go get our God, I can't remember
Speaker 2: the name of it, but my mom and I used
Speaker 2: to get our haircut at the mall, I think at
Speaker 2: Beechwood Place, at this place called like John Mitchell. But
Speaker 2: even those kinds of salons that were like all over
Speaker 2: Cleveland and maybe still are that are called like.
Speaker 3: I remember that place and everyone who worked their head
Speaker 3: toward black right right, yes, And it was like that
Speaker 3: was like super trendy.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, correct, totally.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was like everyone's there. And then I remember,
Speaker 3: I've won't Paul Mitchell.
Speaker 2: No, it wasn't Paul Mitchell. That's the name, but that's
Speaker 2: a good nineties well me, it's maybe still around.
Speaker 5: Right, I remember.
Speaker 3: And this is so ironic because I don't have a
Speaker 3: ton of hair now, But I remember this bald guy
Speaker 3: getting his haircut there and me being like, why is
Speaker 3: this guy getting his haircut right right? Like I didn't
Speaker 3: understand the hair were grown different spots.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, so now I get it. It was
Speaker 2: the place right when you entered Beechwood Place. It was there.
Speaker 2: But they also had those books. It's like I feel
Speaker 2: like even a fancy salon would have books that were
Speaker 2: of people, Like they were like a huge book that
Speaker 2: was in black and white. All the images were mostly
Speaker 2: in black and white, and it was just all these
Speaker 2: I guess hair models who were just like I don't know, well.
Speaker 4: They do it still.
Speaker 3: Like if you're in Brooklyn or something, you go buy
Speaker 3: a barber shop, they'll have different styles, you know, like
Speaker 3: a big well like they'll have like a like a
Speaker 3: sandwich board thing.
Speaker 2: These were like coffee table books styles, but that now
Speaker 2: I think in a fancy salon they'd have more of
Speaker 2: a like maybe wouldn't have that, but maybe they would do.
Speaker 5: You remember like that phase where I feel like people were.
Speaker 1: Promoting I don't know if it was like a Veda,
Speaker 1: but people would be going to school and it would
Speaker 1: be like you could get a haircut by someone who
Speaker 1: was learning.
Speaker 5: That was like, yes, what you thought the price of
Speaker 5: like a cheap haircup.
Speaker 1: It was like you're like, oh, this is so fancy
Speaker 1: because I'm going into a Veda to get this done.
Speaker 2: I feel like that was a huge thing when I
Speaker 2: lived in Chicago because I was like we were all
Speaker 2: like improvisers and we weren't making any money. It was like,
Speaker 2: you can get a massage by someone who is just
Speaker 2: learning to do it, so it's like super cheap, or
Speaker 2: like a haircut or something, and then you're like, Wow,
Speaker 2: I'm getting an absolute deal because this person is using
Speaker 2: the finest products. Yeah, and they know what they're doing,
Speaker 2: but because they're not like fully licensed yet, they can't
Speaker 2: charge as much.
Speaker 4: I used to do that with a dentist when I
Speaker 4: lived in New York.
Speaker 5: I would go to.
Speaker 3: This NYU dental program and you could get tental work
Speaker 3: done by like people learning how to do it. And
Speaker 3: I would go there as like my dentist, I remember,
Speaker 3: and I get my X rays and it was like
Speaker 3: these kids, oh and they kind of have a supervisor.
Speaker 3: And looking back, I'm like I can't believe I did that.
Speaker 5: No, not with the dentist.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you gotta. You gotta kind of prioritize some things.
Speaker 1: And my brother and sisters and I when we got
Speaker 1: braces when we were really young. We moved like six
Speaker 1: months after and had to see a different dentist and
Speaker 1: he was like, this.
Speaker 5: Job is a no go. We need to take they'd
Speaker 5: had to take off all the braces and redo them.
Speaker 2: Oh my god.
Speaker 5: So I'm like, yeah, when it comes to dentist, gotta yeah.
Speaker 1: Also, I feel like a massage is like a lot
Speaker 1: less risky, like I always feel like with a haircut
Speaker 1: and something like that, You're like, yeah, they can kind
Speaker 1: of roll.
Speaker 5: The dice with this.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I was just I don't know how I figured it out,
Speaker 3: but uh yeah, I definitely got that was like my
Speaker 3: main dentist when I was in New York, I think
Speaker 3: for a long time, and I helped a lot of
Speaker 3: students learn how to work on teeth, you know.
Speaker 2: So I guess it's better than nothing. Yeah, yeah, totally.
Speaker 5: Did you know that Finessa to ever tell you that?
Speaker 2: No, And I'm glad he didn't. If you had told me,
Speaker 2: I would have said, stopped doing this.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Yeah, I'm glad I didn't.
Speaker 2: God, he didn't. Well, this was so much fun. Alicia,
Speaker 2: thank you so much for doing this. Now where can
Speaker 2: people find you? Well, let's promote the album. Let's get
Speaker 2: let's get into it for the fans and friends alike.
Speaker 1: I think everything is Bully the music and a TikTok
Speaker 1: that I have that I always forget that I have.
Speaker 1: I've only done a couple posts up, so that's not
Speaker 1: really necessary, but I think that one is Bully the
Speaker 1: music music because great, great, the.
Speaker 5: Music was taken. I'm pretty sure that's it for most
Speaker 5: of the handles. Great.
Speaker 2: Great, and your album comes.
Speaker 5: Out June second.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, very exciting. And this has been great. This
Speaker 2: has been so much fun. Thank you so much for
Speaker 2: doing this. Thank you to everyone listening. Be sure to
Speaker 2: check out Alicia's new album. You will know Alicia is
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Speaker 2: our childhood and cultural touchstones like belly button rings.
Speaker 5: Thanks so much, thank you. Thanks chat before a pain
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