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Speaker 4: Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to another episode of Quest Love Supreme.
Speaker 3: Here on iHeart first of all our family. What's up
Speaker 3: like you?
Speaker 5: Hey?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 3: How you doing? Why? Why he give me sideye already me?
Speaker 5: I'm not giving you said, I'm excited?
Speaker 3: Are you?
Speaker 6: Oh?
Speaker 3: No, No, I know this this is.
Speaker 4: Let me just bypass you guys, pay Bill and far Ticolo.
Speaker 3: I'll get into it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we've been waiting for this episode, probably longer than
Speaker 4: we care to actually stay on the records. I don't
Speaker 4: know why it's taken almost three and a half years
Speaker 4: for us to finally bring to fortune. Uh the Jill
Speaker 4: Scott episode. I can't say enough about this woman. She
Speaker 4: helped me get my first Grammy, and I appreciate that.
Speaker 4: Jill Scott, she saved my life. She gave me my
Speaker 4: first and only hit.
Speaker 3: Wow, it is why.
Speaker 4: Only No, lady and gentlemen, No, for Jill Scott is
Speaker 4: much more than that to me.
Speaker 3: She's actually, she's literally one.
Speaker 4: Of my favorite artists ever, accomplished poet singer.
Speaker 3: Actually Chris Yes, extraordinaire.
Speaker 4: Please welcome to Quest lof Supreme finally, one and only Jill. Wait, Joe,
Speaker 4: what's your middle name? I'm gonna look this up on
Speaker 4: the internet. Jill, Wait, why don't we know your Like?
Speaker 3: Wait a minute, Jill, did you take your middle name
Speaker 3: off of the Internet.
Speaker 1: Internet?
Speaker 5: Yes, you did.
Speaker 3: Barbara probably got a black ass middle name.
Speaker 4: Lazy gentleman, Jill Scott, it's probably.
Speaker 1: I like lo retal.
Speaker 4: Wait, are you trying to tell me that your middle
Speaker 4: name will never be known into the world ever?
Speaker 1: If you search hard enough, you'll find it.
Speaker 7: Is really secret. Like she didn't want to tell me
Speaker 7: where she was at. She didn't want to tell me
Speaker 7: where her house was.
Speaker 3: Not even a state? Yeah, not no, because you're a
Speaker 3: Philly for life.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, Philly all day.
Speaker 3: And what.
Speaker 1: I just like balance, man. I try to find a
Speaker 1: place where people don't know me at all for anything,
Speaker 1: and I go there and it's great. We have conversations
Speaker 1: about something and nothing. We get angry with each other
Speaker 1: and you know, call h oo a on each other.
Speaker 1: It's nice.
Speaker 4: You're trying to tell me that you you're in a
Speaker 4: circle in which people may or may not know who
Speaker 4: you are.
Speaker 5: That's right, No, not impossible. They all white.
Speaker 3: I believe that. I can believe it.
Speaker 7: Yes, possis white famous, and then there's black famous.
Speaker 1: Yes, and white famous yes, and the white famous and
Speaker 1: uh no incomes text, no state income text. All that
Speaker 1: made sense to me an Anchorage, I was like, yep,
Speaker 1: I mean.
Speaker 3: Wait, there's another place that's not Delaware that does this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I'm in Tennessee. Oh.
Speaker 5: Because she said it, I was scared she was gonna
Speaker 5: get this up if we said it.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I won't fight you, nigga, I'm scared of you.
Speaker 3: You know this.
Speaker 5: The first song was getting it. Let me tell you
Speaker 5: about Basilina.
Speaker 3: I never forget Jill.
Speaker 8: Jill. I, Oh my god, story time, story time?
Speaker 4: Can I sell you all the There are seven words
Speaker 4: I ever heard Jill Scott ever say. Okay, So Jill
Speaker 4: Scott is best friend with a mutual friend of ours,
Speaker 4: Leslie Arnette Pina. Leslie is the voice of Oh on
Speaker 4: Lazy Afternoon or do you Want More?
Speaker 3: Right? So, I believe maybe this is when Leslie's cutting it.
Speaker 4: I'm not certain, but what I do know is that
Speaker 4: she brought her girlfriend down to the studio with her. Now,
Speaker 4: what makes this even crazier I'm not knowing that the
Speaker 4: guy that Jill was once dating is also currently messing
Speaker 4: with a roommate of someone that I lived with in
Speaker 4: the house that I was living in during the do
Speaker 4: you Want More?
Speaker 3: Period? This sounds like an episode of Insecure.
Speaker 1: This is so terrible.
Speaker 3: This all I know. This is all I know, terrible,
Speaker 3: not sight n seen.
Speaker 4: I sat down on the couch and she must have
Speaker 4: gotten the news that that he did her wrong. And
Speaker 4: she said, and the most think of the most Oprah
Speaker 4: Harpo voice you can muster up, she said, She said,
Speaker 4: Jill Scott, lady.
Speaker 1: Gentlemen, yeah ye.
Speaker 3: Heather, Oh god, I don't know what I was doing.
Speaker 3: Internet just told me I don't know what I was doing.
Speaker 4: I was either midshew, I don't know if I was
Speaker 4: at my lunch or reading something. But I was like, oh,
Speaker 4: I'm scared of this woman forever.
Speaker 5: What happened to him, what happened to was gonna get
Speaker 5: cut off.
Speaker 6: What happened.
Speaker 1: Let's see. What do I know?
Speaker 3: I know that and the story at the house.
Speaker 1: I can't tell you the rest. It's so bad. I
Speaker 1: think the.
Speaker 3: Special limitations is that I think you can in Okay.
Speaker 1: So I went to the house. I went to the house,
Speaker 1: and and she was there at the house right right right,
Speaker 1: drinking my kool aid out of the glass I bought. YEP,
Speaker 1: I happened to have a razor blade.
Speaker 4: Oh boy, all right, this is question of supreme min
Speaker 4: Thank you, school next week and gentlemen, love.
Speaker 3: Yeah, keep going.
Speaker 1: Everyone lived, Everyone lived, but his wardrobe didn't live. Ah,
Speaker 1: his wardrobe didn't live.
Speaker 3: Kind of everything and everything era.
Speaker 1: Hockey era everything and.
Speaker 3: Where you can.
Speaker 4: Settle something for me, Jill, was he at all? Was
Speaker 4: he at all involved in music? Because I have another
Speaker 4: issue with him three weeks later. Now, mind you, this
Speaker 4: guy is messing with a girl that lives in my house,
Speaker 4: and he steals my drum machine.
Speaker 3: Dog.
Speaker 4: I put two and two together way after the fact,
Speaker 4: like you all just tarantinoed your way into my timeline,
Speaker 4: and then I had to put the story together to
Speaker 4: realize what was going on. But he also, I have
Speaker 4: reason to believe that he stole one of my drum
Speaker 4: machines that house probably, and so yeah, but that's how,
Speaker 4: that's how I And then the second time, But the
Speaker 4: second time, Jill was made three grand entrances in my
Speaker 4: life before I even started a real conversation with her. Now,
Speaker 4: the second one was a little blurry because at the
Speaker 4: time I was at Richmond Diena's house. It was like
Speaker 4: a barbecue whatever, and it was like a spades tournament.
Speaker 4: And one of my greatest shames is also I learned late, right,
Speaker 4: So that part's a little blurry, But I remember Jill there.
Speaker 4: But the third time with meeting Jill was at a
Speaker 4: poetry slam in West Philadelphia around fifty fourth and Baltimore Avenue.
Speaker 1: I don't remember this.
Speaker 4: You don't remember this, no, you all right, So I
Speaker 4: believe either Torpeter Mason introduced you somebody a fellow poet
Speaker 4: introduced you and you cut her off before. It was like,
Speaker 4: ladies and gentlemen, we're going to bring up someone to
Speaker 4: the stage. And and then all of a sudden, from
Speaker 4: the back you went into Jodesses freaking you from So
Speaker 4: it was like, ladies and gentlemen, Okay, that was Ursula
Speaker 4: Rucker of Richmond, Tina and you know coming up next
Speaker 4: as a sister from North Philadelphia.
Speaker 6: She was right, But no, man, it was like, you
Speaker 6: know how like Felicia was shot over Nuanzi eight where
Speaker 6: it's like like her last name is Alan, like Felicia
Speaker 6: Airs Allen or Debbie Allen.
Speaker 4: From the back of the room. Every time I closed
Speaker 4: and we lost our ghosts, like who the fuck is this?
Speaker 4: And she's just like slowly walked to the stage. It
Speaker 4: was like our tongues were collectively wagging, like the.
Speaker 1: And I don't remember that at all?
Speaker 8: Did I miss out on Jill sexy poet? Like whole
Speaker 8: sexual poetry thing?
Speaker 3: That dog you weren't there for that? I heard enough
Speaker 3: to be fucking yeah, nineteen ninety nine, I think you
Speaker 3: got it be in.
Speaker 1: Sixteen, Oh pudding, pudn't there's a.
Speaker 4: Wink in there, No, but I believe two three weeks
Speaker 4: later this is when you got me sort of.
Speaker 3: You started coming around the Sigma with Scott.
Speaker 5: So Nope, no, Jill, tell a story.
Speaker 1: No, No, I don't. I don't remember Baltimore. It was
Speaker 1: so much poetry at the time. We were everywhere trying
Speaker 1: to earn fifteen dollars anywhere, Bob mits was birthday parties,
Speaker 1: at theaters, libraries. I was everywhere, just trying to earn
Speaker 1: a living as a poet. So I really don't remember that.
Speaker 1: But I do remember the night I met yo As Now.
Speaker 1: We were on a I'm trying to remember the brother's name.
Speaker 1: He had a small record store, and he had closed
Speaker 1: the record store out for the evening so people could read.
Speaker 1: I think Rich might have been DJing.
Speaker 3: That was Rich's spot. Oh, Keith my current my current
Speaker 3: product man.
Speaker 1: Years later, Yeah, it was Keith.
Speaker 3: Look at that, Okay, Yes, in South Philly.
Speaker 1: Yes, So I think we were there, if I'm not mistaken.
Speaker 1: And I read something and I came off and you
Speaker 1: said you do you write songs? And I lied, I
Speaker 1: said yes, which I did not do, and you were like, okay, Bet,
Speaker 1: I'm going to hook you up. You should come to
Speaker 1: the studio. Had I been to a studio yet? I
Speaker 1: don't even think I had been to a studio anywhere
Speaker 1: except for the night I met you at a Sigma
Speaker 1: Sigma sound where I met you, that was the first
Speaker 1: time I had ever been in studio. This will be
Speaker 1: the second. So you hooked me up with Scott Storch,
Speaker 1: who I knew only because I had seen him play
Speaker 1: in the keys at every jam session and every time
Speaker 1: that I saw you guys perform. You know, Scott was there.
Speaker 1: You You asked me if I could write a song.
Speaker 1: I said, okay, didn't know how at all. And we
Speaker 1: sat there and Scott and I got blazed for like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, like ho.
Speaker 3: So you just wing you Got Me experience?
Speaker 5: Was that the first generation? Like you gave him your
Speaker 5: first draft or you yeah?
Speaker 4: Wow, Yeah, there were seven songs, but you got Me.
Speaker 4: I still that cassette You Got Me was number three.
Speaker 4: You worked on seven sketches. You Got Me was number three,
Speaker 4: And when I heard it, I said to myself, this
Speaker 4: song is going to change my life. I knew ten
Speaker 4: seconds in when you sing it, I was like, this
Speaker 4: HiT's going to change my life. And instantly ran downstairs
Speaker 4: to Dave Ivory's room and Scott happened to be there,
Speaker 4: and we just cut it right on the spot because
Speaker 4: I knew I wanted to get it out the way
Speaker 4: before like Rich and Tariq caught demo itis.
Speaker 3: I was like, this song's going to change my life.
Speaker 4: So before Rich and Tarik hear it in its current
Speaker 4: state and get demo itis and be like Nope, this
Speaker 4: is the version of that we're going to I was like,
Speaker 4: let me do the drums right now, and then there's
Speaker 4: there's a whole nother, like eight hour story of even
Speaker 4: the battle of drum and bass music at the end
Speaker 4: of it that dog because then it was like, dude,
Speaker 4: why are you why are you going to ruin the song?
Speaker 4: Like just be like Rich was Rich's whole John was like, look,
Speaker 4: stay straight ahead whatever, and I was like, no, this
Speaker 4: is a drumming bass song because initially I wanted the
Speaker 4: whole song to be that, and Rich was like no, yeah,
Speaker 4: keep it straight ahead and da da da, so you know,
Speaker 4: and the compromise of it all was like Okay, at
Speaker 4: the end, you get your little prize at the in
Speaker 4: the Cereal box.
Speaker 3: Okay, here we're.
Speaker 8: Still waiting for that part too, Like I just knew
Speaker 8: it was just every time you talked about that story,
Speaker 8: I'm gonna just say it should have been part two
Speaker 8: to that song.
Speaker 1: We had part two, part three. We ended up having
Speaker 1: so many versions of the songs from Live.
Speaker 3: Yeah the Roots on the Things Fall apart box two.
Speaker 1: Dollars bill performance. That's probably still one of my favorites
Speaker 1: ever in DC.
Speaker 3: Right, yep, wait a minute, Wait a minute, wait a minute,
Speaker 3: was there?
Speaker 1: We are?
Speaker 3: We are, we're jumping the gun. We're in nineteen ninety nine,
Speaker 3: Jill Scott. Yeah, where were you born? Where were you born?
Speaker 1: At Albert Einstein Hospital in Philadelphia?
Speaker 5: You want to be one on Blue N O R
Speaker 5: F Northfield O N O R yep, Northfield?
Speaker 3: Where? Okay? Where in?
Speaker 4: Because North Phillies is anything above Broad Street to me
Speaker 4: like a old Gotts Avenue or like, what what's like
Speaker 4: here in North Philly?
Speaker 1: I'm twenty third in le High Oh yeah, Lee High,
Speaker 1: Broad and Lee High Avenue.
Speaker 3: Okay, that's banging now what was it then?
Speaker 5: It was it was the bottom?
Speaker 1: Yikes, it was the bottom.
Speaker 3: Then that's near j Street.
Speaker 1: I don't know Jade Street all right, it's.
Speaker 5: In the big shooting, like really that.
Speaker 1: Many many, many shootings. You know where Dobbins is, Dobbins
Speaker 1: Vocational High School. I taught there for a couple of months,
Speaker 1: but I lived around the corner from Godlins.
Speaker 3: You're a school teacher too.
Speaker 1: I'm an English teacher.
Speaker 3: Wow here Harley.
Speaker 4: New Ye.
Speaker 3: Okay, So in growing up in Philadelphia, like.
Speaker 4: All right, first of all, how did you Because the
Speaker 4: thing is that if you're saying you're in North Philly,
Speaker 4: especially growing up in the eighties, getting out of North
Speaker 4: Philly is an achievement.
Speaker 3: On its own.
Speaker 1: Yes, indeed, sir, So.
Speaker 3: What was life like navigating through North Philadelphia?
Speaker 1: You know what I really you know, I know that
Speaker 1: it was tough. I know that there was there was
Speaker 1: a lot of murders. There were a lot I lost
Speaker 1: a lot of like, well, we all lost a lot
Speaker 1: of young men. Early one summer, we lost like seven
Speaker 1: young guys. You know, I knew them all. They were
Speaker 1: drug dealers, but I you know the drug dealers that
Speaker 1: I knew. They carried my mom's groceries home. You know,
Speaker 1: they wrote me poetry. They said on they said on
Speaker 1: my steps, and let me read the Megarallen Poe. You
Speaker 1: know they were They were sweet to me, and I
Speaker 1: know it seems absurd to some people, but I had
Speaker 1: a very, very idyllic uh concept of the hood. It was.
Speaker 1: It was beautiful, you know. There was neighbors who played
Speaker 1: the guitar and kept their screens open and so you
Speaker 1: could hear it. There were neighbors that everybody swept, you know.
Speaker 1: And then then Krack came. Crack came like a thief
Speaker 1: in the night and just destroyed everything good not everything.
Speaker 1: There were still good people around, but it made it
Speaker 1: really hard. You know. I definitely got shot at. I
Speaker 1: definitely had to fight a lot, and then I thought
Speaker 1: of ways of trying to not hurt anybody because I
Speaker 1: thought I was going to end up in jail if
Speaker 1: I didn't figure it out. So, you know, my mom
Speaker 1: took me to Juvie. I saw some stuff in there
Speaker 1: and I was like, Okay, I don't have to worry
Speaker 1: about me.
Speaker 3: You went to juv No, she took me to Juvie
Speaker 3: on some scared straight John.
Speaker 1: Yeah, before there was a scared straight. She was like,
Speaker 1: you should you know, I get She didn't tell me
Speaker 1: where were going. We just got on the thirty three
Speaker 1: and we got off and ended up in Juvie. It
Speaker 1: was a whole bunch of girls that looked a lot
Speaker 1: like me, that looked like they had been through hell
Speaker 1: in a basket. You know. I heard a couple of
Speaker 1: horrible stories about being in Juvie, and I was like,
Speaker 1: I'm good, Like, I have to find a way to
Speaker 1: survive without fighting, without having to defend myself because I
Speaker 1: don't you know, I'm not the kind of person that
Speaker 1: just puts my hands up and we're going to fight
Speaker 1: and it's over. You know, I don't know how to
Speaker 1: stop because I'm kind. You know. It might so terrible,
Speaker 1: but I am. I don't want to hurt anybody. So
Speaker 1: I'm in a position where in order to survive, I'm
Speaker 1: going to have to hurt somebody pretty badly and they
Speaker 1: may not make it. So I figured out other ways.
Speaker 1: I step to everybody. I don't well, I do, I do.
Speaker 1: I have a sister from my father.
Speaker 3: But you grew up the loon child in yeah household.
Speaker 3: Yeah you didn't have a story. I'm gonna get my
Speaker 3: cousin to fuck you up.
Speaker 1: Like there's none of that. My cousins hated. My cousins hated.
Speaker 8: I could read through her words that Jill didn't have
Speaker 8: a problem being able to fight, because that was the
Speaker 8: problem that you were started being good at it.
Speaker 5: It sounded like like you It wasn't.
Speaker 1: I don't. I would never call it.
Speaker 5: I think it.
Speaker 1: Was.
Speaker 5: It was you didn't lose that too often.
Speaker 1: It wasn't. It just wasn't fair. You know. I didn't
Speaker 1: know how to stop. I didn't know how to win
Speaker 1: a fight and stop, so I don't really I try
Speaker 1: my best not to be in that position, to the
Speaker 1: to the very end, to the bitter end, to the
Speaker 1: you're going to jail in. And I didn't want that
Speaker 1: for myself. I was scared of it. So I embraced
Speaker 1: every possible way to be kind and loving and open
Speaker 1: in my hood. So and try at the same time
Speaker 1: not to be a sucker, you know, to get played
Speaker 1: by the crackheads or by the drug dealers. But you know,
Speaker 1: be friendly and be nice and be helpful where you can,
Speaker 1: but not give anybody money because if you give crackheads
Speaker 1: money to come back the next day like a squirrel,
Speaker 1: you know. So, you know, trying to find that balance
Speaker 1: to navigate living or dying. And yes, it was very
Speaker 1: hard to get out of North Philly. So I worked
Speaker 1: three jobs and did poetry and hoped that I could
Speaker 1: make some kind of a living. God in Dobbins High
Speaker 1: School was teaching English. It was dope. I loved it,
Speaker 1: but they weren't very helpful.
Speaker 3: Good got in and subsequently went back there to teach.
Speaker 4: No.
Speaker 1: I went to Girls High okay, but I taught at
Speaker 1: Dobbins and I realized I wasn't going to make any money,
Speaker 1: which is so foul to this day. That I wasn't
Speaker 1: going to make any money and I wasn't gonna have
Speaker 1: any kind of support. There's no support for teachers. My
Speaker 1: principal told me I was young and idealistic and I
Speaker 1: would get over it, and I quit. I quit everything
Speaker 1: that day, like this sucks. There's gotta be something else.
Speaker 1: And then Ozzi Jones, I don't know if you got
Speaker 1: y'all know, Izzy Yes Jones. Izzy Jones called me the
Speaker 1: day I quit everything and said, Yo, there's an apprenticeship
Speaker 1: at the Ardent Theater Company. Do you want to try
Speaker 1: out for it? It's one hundred and fifty dollars a week.
Speaker 1: You're gonna end up working somewhere between fourteen and sixteen
Speaker 1: hours a week, but you'll get free acting classes and
Speaker 1: you'll learn everything about theater. What do you say? And
Speaker 1: I auditioned, and I had several meetings and I was
Speaker 1: the oldest and the only black person in the building.
Speaker 1: One thing begat another. Yeah.
Speaker 3: So wait, so no freedom theater, none of this stuff
Speaker 3: ever comes.
Speaker 5: Into your No, I wish I couldn't afford.
Speaker 3: We're singing in church as as a young like, none of.
Speaker 1: That didn't grow up in church.
Speaker 5: Wait, so that meant that story about you?
Speaker 8: It was a story about you not being a part
Speaker 8: of freedom, but that like you actually used to help
Speaker 8: clean up and do stuff around the building.
Speaker 5: That's not true.
Speaker 1: The cleaning up part came later when I was in college.
Speaker 1: But that was that was just because I thought it
Speaker 1: was dope. But I couldn't afford classes.
Speaker 3: Where'd you go to school?
Speaker 9: Temple?
Speaker 1: Which one? I went for two years and I took
Speaker 1: off a year, went for three years, took off two years,
Speaker 1: came back.
Speaker 3: Were major No.
Speaker 1: No, I don't even know how many times I went
Speaker 1: to Temple. I don't It was just a blur, I
Speaker 1: swear to you. I just was trying to finish, to
Speaker 1: be the one in my family who finished school, and
Speaker 1: you know, they ended up giving me a honorary PhD,
Speaker 1: which I took. And I took that Scott, Scott, I
Speaker 1: went that on my passports so bad.
Speaker 3: I don't know how to get that done.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to tell you the first, the first degree
Speaker 1: I earned. After that, they gave me the next and
Speaker 1: the next book. I'm cool with it. I'm good with it.
Speaker 3: Damn, Jill. I would have I would have known you, children, yo, I.
Speaker 1: Got in the creative and performing arts. I really would
Speaker 1: have known you.
Speaker 3: I could have went to Kapa.
Speaker 1: Why got into both schools to girls Hiding and Kappa.
Speaker 5: And I was terrified.
Speaker 1: I was terrified of that neighborhood. I was like, I
Speaker 1: already got enough ship. Now I'm going to South Philly neighborhood.
Speaker 1: I'm scared, like they're gonna kill me. They're gonna try to.
Speaker 3: All day. Julie pronounced it scared s k A E
Speaker 3: r d T scared.
Speaker 5: I was scared.
Speaker 1: I was like, they're going to kill me. I can't
Speaker 1: go here. That was at the audition, and I changed
Speaker 1: my mind and I got in as a writer.
Speaker 3: You were creative writing major.
Speaker 1: I was a creative I would have been the English teacher. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I would have been, but I changed my mind and
Speaker 1: went to girls high instead.
Speaker 3: It's crazy. Okay, okay, so wait, did you know Sean
Speaker 3: in high school? I did?
Speaker 1: We went on together?
Speaker 3: Manager you know Sean in high school?
Speaker 5: Said she just said that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but we weren't sure you were. No, we went
Speaker 1: on the prom together. We all went and sat together.
Speaker 3: We were Yeah.
Speaker 1: How many Sean?
Speaker 4: Uh?
Speaker 1: It was me and my date, him and his date,
Speaker 1: Court and in his date, so it was six of us.
Speaker 1: That's right.
Speaker 5: Wow, that's dope. That a story of you and Sean,
Speaker 5: Like what an evolution?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I think I met him when I was
Speaker 1: I was fourteen. I had to be fourteen or fifteen.
Speaker 1: I think I might have been fifteen. But I got
Speaker 1: pictures of young showing in my office somewhere.
Speaker 3: We need this blackmail material. Oh come on, y'all.
Speaker 4: Oh wait, damn I know, wait a damn ship because
Speaker 4: I know San's gonna listen to this episode.
Speaker 3: I got some really good on showing you got you
Speaker 3: got some tapes?
Speaker 5: You got some rap tapes?
Speaker 3: What you got?
Speaker 5: What you got rap tapes?
Speaker 1: Man?
Speaker 4: I scowled the earth for Showing's record. Oh my god,
Speaker 4: are you gonna pull up all right? Well wait, here's
Speaker 4: the here's the thing.
Speaker 3: No, I got it. And he you know, like he
Speaker 3: sounds like it's straight. He's straight ll eighty five.
Speaker 5: Like right now, he said he talked to his whole style.
Speaker 5: That's what he says.
Speaker 3: Sounds.
Speaker 4: But the thing is that Sean was like the family
Speaker 4: star Tarika Fomo because like, you know, Thanksgiving, Sean asked
Speaker 4: twelve and shingle out and was getting played on local radio.
Speaker 4: Bluie b was like, you know, and Tarik was like,
Speaker 4: where they get a load of me? And then that's
Speaker 4: what inspired to Rek to like step up.
Speaker 5: That Sean and Tarka are cousins because most.
Speaker 3: People, yeah, but this is where it even goes deeper.
Speaker 4: Angela and Whistle my Angie former Okay player partner in
Speaker 4: current write writer at Mixed Dish one day she asked
Speaker 4: me for like some interstitial rap music, Like do I
Speaker 4: know like a real cheap, random rap song that's like
Speaker 4: kind of bad from like nineteen eighty five eighty six,
Speaker 4: like when they do a flashback thing like that time
Speaker 4: back in nineteen eighty five.
Speaker 3: Yeah, then right, and so I was this close to
Speaker 3: getting that song clear on mixed dish.
Speaker 4: But I would have had to I would have to
Speaker 4: been the owner of the publishing to make it happen.
Speaker 3: Damn.
Speaker 4: Oh god, yeah, because I wanted to be something where
Speaker 4: like Shorans is watching TV.
Speaker 3: And it just just hurt fem.
Speaker 1: How do I get this?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 4: Still, since I get off this phone, I will send
Speaker 4: it to you. Oh man, I've been saving. I've been
Speaker 4: saving this record for like the home to dry it.
Speaker 1: I say, you know what I want to I mean,
Speaker 1: I want to hear the other six songs that Scott
Speaker 1: and I did. What happened to them? I don't know
Speaker 1: if you have them, but I'm curious because, yeah, my
Speaker 1: first time with Scott not having Babbage, not having baggage
Speaker 1: right Babbage?
Speaker 5: Babbage?
Speaker 1: Oh Babbage right Babbage?
Speaker 3: Oh real weird?
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, Scott, Scott was on the whole other level.
Speaker 1: I was like, wait, wait, wow, this is this is wonderful,
Speaker 1: this is a beautiful sensation.
Speaker 9: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was Scott's at work.
Speaker 4: At what point, even though you didn't have a traditional
Speaker 4: church experience or community theater experience as most of our
Speaker 4: guests do. Oh like, where does music play in your life?
Speaker 4: For at least the first four mintive years like your
Speaker 4: first eight years. Like, what was the first record you
Speaker 4: ever brought of? The first content you went to?
Speaker 3: And were you allowed to?
Speaker 4: Uh?
Speaker 5: I said, was she allowed to have it?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 5: Wait yeah right.
Speaker 1: Blowing a dark record player?
Speaker 3: I was allowed.
Speaker 1: Let's see, I my first record. I don't know the
Speaker 1: first record, but I took The Whiz to my third
Speaker 1: grade show and tell and everybody hated it. I was devastated.
Speaker 1: Something was wrong with those people.
Speaker 3: You play.
Speaker 5: And they hated it?
Speaker 4: So you brought the records to school? Yes, and they
Speaker 4: didn't appreciate it as much at all.
Speaker 1: They thought it was awful. They booed. I was like,
Speaker 1: you're all insane. I'm out of here.
Speaker 5: What was your jam on the record?
Speaker 2: Jail?
Speaker 8: Oh?
Speaker 1: Brandon Day? You know how I know how you are
Speaker 1: about the Wiz, Like, yes, the Wiz poster is in
Speaker 1: a frame above my son's toilet.
Speaker 3: I think the Wiz is a great horror movie. Dude.
Speaker 1: You know what.
Speaker 3: The Wiz is a hard cell.
Speaker 1: It is.
Speaker 4: One night, one night, I just I conducted experiment. It
Speaker 4: was one of these nights where where we had like
Speaker 4: Thanksgiving run uh, like a tour. I had Thanksgiving off
Speaker 4: but not enough to really like plan anything with family.
Speaker 4: So this time I was stuck with a bunch of
Speaker 4: people that I work with. We call them white people,
Speaker 4: and I was just wondering when you were to me,
Speaker 4: and I was like, I want to see how white.
Speaker 3: People react to the Wiz. Oh this is good, yo.
Speaker 4: It freaked them out. It was to them it was
Speaker 4: like an acid trip, like watching the Wiz through their eyes.
Speaker 4: Then they were like, Yo, this is the scariest ship
Speaker 4: we have ever seen.
Speaker 7: Like now as a kid, like watching the Wiz and
Speaker 7: when Eveline's when her nails nails go.
Speaker 3: Backwards and get the fun out of that.
Speaker 5: Man.
Speaker 3: That was I think we were just happening to see
Speaker 3: black people.
Speaker 7: I think that's what it was. We was like, we
Speaker 7: got Michael Jackson, we got Dan A. Ross, So we're
Speaker 7: just happen to see black people acting.
Speaker 1: But but the metaphors were so perfect. Black man can't
Speaker 1: catch cab in New York City, Yeah, the young woman
Speaker 1: who can't get out of the house, you know, still
Speaker 1: living at home with her mama. You know, all of
Speaker 1: those things that were actually occurring to poppy fields or
Speaker 1: the hookers on the street, you know, all of that
Speaker 1: it was. The metaphors were for the hood.
Speaker 4: It was.
Speaker 1: It was wonderful. As a writer, I just fell in love.
Speaker 1: And then I met Quincy Jones and was like, I
Speaker 1: just looked on you with the third grade. He was like,
Speaker 1: I hated that. I hated that whole moment of it.
Speaker 5: Charlie, Yeah, Charlie. They hated each other. Well, he hated
Speaker 5: Charlie because.
Speaker 3: It's you know what it was.
Speaker 4: Okay, as as the elder statesman of this crew, because
Speaker 4: you all were three at the time when it came out,
Speaker 4: I'm saying that to watch like the morning that it
Speaker 4: came out, and to watch it in its first run,
Speaker 4: I had to stand I had to stand in line
Speaker 4: for three and a half hours.
Speaker 3: You remember the Sam Eric the movies, like you saw it,
Speaker 3: you know, I'm just saying, yeah, that's a certain thing.
Speaker 3: I was just like, oh shit, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 3: the Wiz you.
Speaker 4: I think I think now that I'm looking in hindsight,
Speaker 4: the excitement and the build up to what The Whiz was.
Speaker 3: Was probably better than the movie itself.
Speaker 4: No, no, I'm not saying that it was a bad film,
Speaker 4: because this is the thing we have to know, Like
Speaker 4: Sidney Lament, technically lost his career after The Whiz, like
Speaker 4: after batting out the Park with like Dark Day Afternoon
Speaker 4: was the one. Yeah, all these other films that he did,
Speaker 4: I think he did Cerpaco and The Wiz was seen
Speaker 4: as a failure now, you know. And I also have
Speaker 4: issues with how black films are judged by non black critics.
Speaker 3: Yeah, by higher level.
Speaker 4: So I know that there is also points off of
Speaker 4: that of just crulturally not understanding a tony.
Speaker 5: I mean, what are we talking about it?
Speaker 3: I know, but the Whiz is a hard sell now.
Speaker 3: Recently watching it, it's a heart cell.
Speaker 4: Recently watching it, I realized what Jill was saying, like,
Speaker 4: oh man, there's a lot of The Whiz could also
Speaker 4: be like a self esteem motivational package because I saw
Speaker 4: it in a whole different light now post therapy, life
Speaker 4: coach and that stuff.
Speaker 3: And then I was like, oh, okay, I see the
Speaker 3: lessons alive.
Speaker 5: You're standing stroll, Steve.
Speaker 3: Have you ever seen I saw The Wiz and I
Speaker 3: saw the sequel, Whiz Wit. Wait what I thought that
Speaker 3: joke would do better? I don't say there's a try
Speaker 3: to keep up the Wiz reloaded.
Speaker 1: I wanted another one. I really I still want another one,
Speaker 1: but it couldn't.
Speaker 7: Okay, So what's the second what's this plot line of
Speaker 7: the Wiz? What's the second? What would be the next
Speaker 7: the sequel in the Wiz? Like, what's the storyline?
Speaker 1: It would have to be a lost Dorothy. A lost
Speaker 1: Dorothy meaning she doesn't know who she is or how
Speaker 1: to be. She's trapped in a world where she's uh,
Speaker 1: I don't know, weaved out and uh contacted and.
Speaker 3: Wow what it may be.
Speaker 1: But I think I think there's a lot of like
Speaker 1: that going.
Speaker 3: On Black version of Wicked, just like they have it now.
Speaker 1: You know. I love Wicked because it was so good.
Speaker 7: The sequel to the Wizard of Oz was like, Yeah,
Speaker 7: what's better the movie or the soundtrack.
Speaker 1: For the Whiz. Yeah, I'm gonna go with the movie.
Speaker 3: Because there's dancing. Aw the soundtrack doesn't make sense unless
Speaker 3: you've seen the movie.
Speaker 4: And it's weird because the soundtrack is technically a story.
Speaker 4: It's a movie without visuals, which is why I think
Speaker 4: it was a hard sell for Jill to get a
Speaker 4: bunch of third kids.
Speaker 1: Third and fourth grade class home homer.
Speaker 3: Teachers for them, No, I was a student, Okay, Yeah,
Speaker 3: they booed.
Speaker 5: Live anywhere. Y'all think home can live anywhere?
Speaker 1: Yeah, but what does that mean?
Speaker 5: What does home mean of the song?
Speaker 1: I'm just saying the song, Oh yeah, anywhere, anytime, anybody.
Speaker 1: But I wouldn't want to see. I wouldn't want to
Speaker 1: see like pop stars sing it. I wouldn't want to see.
Speaker 1: I would like to see, like, grab some folks out
Speaker 1: of Juilliard, you know, and have them portray these incredible
Speaker 1: people to make it stick to so it has ribs,
Speaker 1: you know, not just you know, fancy characters. I don't
Speaker 1: want to see that. I would like to. I would
Speaker 1: like Dorothy to have guts. I would like her to
Speaker 1: be afraid.
Speaker 4: What was it like for you to perform the in
Speaker 4: front of Michael Jackson at the thirtieth anniversary performance?
Speaker 3: Or was that just a weird experience altogether?
Speaker 1: It was a very strange experience. I got there and it, honestly,
Speaker 1: it felt like nobody was there about before Michael Jackson,
Speaker 1: no one, And that bothered me a lot because I
Speaker 1: had turned down a role with Denzel Washington to be
Speaker 1: there because I really really wanted to honor Michael Jackson,
Speaker 1: and I was doing the Wiz so it meant a
Speaker 1: lot to me, and I got there and it just
Speaker 1: felt like nobody was about it, like nobody was really
Speaker 1: there to honor him. And I remember getting on stage
Speaker 1: and now they've added other people to this performance, which
Speaker 1: really frustrated me. Too great artists, but I just that's
Speaker 1: not what I had in mind. And anyway, long story
Speaker 1: short idea was to do what Too's do. You can't win,
Speaker 1: to have a scare crows, the whole thing, the dancing.
Speaker 1: I think they had Fatima on board at the time
Speaker 1: to choreograph the thing. I wanted to present him the whiz,
Speaker 1: you know, the way that he did it as best
Speaker 1: as I could with all of my heart. And uh,
Speaker 1: that didn't work out. They kept adding other people and
Speaker 1: then added something from the Wizard of Oz to honor
Speaker 1: e Liza Minelli, who was his homegirl, and I was like,
Speaker 1: what the fuck? And I got on stage and I
Speaker 1: looked to the left and there was Michael Jackson. He
Speaker 1: he was paper white. It wasn't like it wasn't any
Speaker 1: kind of human white.
Speaker 3: He was.
Speaker 1: He was paper white. And I didn't want to look anymore.
Speaker 1: I was like trying to hold back tears doing the
Speaker 1: performance because he was sitting Liza uh not E, Liza Manlly,
Speaker 1: Liz Taylor was sitting on one side of him, and
Speaker 1: Macaulay Coughtin was sitting on the other. He didn't he
Speaker 1: just didn't even look like a person. He was there.
Speaker 1: But when I tell you that color was not a
Speaker 1: people color, it just it was. It hurt me. It
Speaker 1: hurt me. And I get off stage and I'm all upset.
Speaker 1: I'm so upset and everybody's so happy. I feels crazy.
Speaker 1: When you're in the midst of this business and something
Speaker 1: impacts you in a way, you know you're, yeah, in
Speaker 1: the midst of it. Like so, I get off stage
Speaker 1: and everybody's celebrating and how great that was, and I
Speaker 1: can't even hear them. And then I turn my head
Speaker 1: and there's Bobby Brown and Whitney Houston and why Bobby,
Speaker 1: I mean Whitney Houston, God rest her soul walks over
Speaker 1: and I'm trying to get myself together and I look
Speaker 1: down and all I could think was that her her
Speaker 1: knees were bigger than her thighs. My heart is racing,
Speaker 1: and I just I cried the rest of the night.
Speaker 1: I just I just could not stop crying. I could
Speaker 1: not get myself together because these are people that I
Speaker 1: admired and respected and wanted them to be okay, you know,
Speaker 1: I wanted them to be healthy and thrive, and they
Speaker 1: just weren't. They just they just weren't. What year was
Speaker 1: this two thousand and one and the next day was
Speaker 1: nine eleven, the next day was nine eleven.
Speaker 3: Because I know that there were I don't know, I
Speaker 3: only had.
Speaker 1: I did one and then I saw it. It was
Speaker 1: on TV one night years later, and I wasn't even
Speaker 1: in it, and I was.
Speaker 5: Like, did you ever get to circle back? And like,
Speaker 5: did you ever speak with him? Did you ever get
Speaker 5: to have contact with Michael?
Speaker 1: I just talked to him on the phone. He called
Speaker 1: me one time to say that he liked me, and
Speaker 1: you know, that was it. I was on tour and uh,
Speaker 1: he just called to say that he liked me and
Speaker 1: he was going to send me a hat that I
Speaker 1: never got. Mhm, oh yeah, I didn't. I didn't like
Speaker 1: that Michael Jackson thing. I know you don't know. I'm
Speaker 1: you've had.
Speaker 8: You must have had quite a few moments of like
Speaker 8: those industry clarity moments. I know Fonte has them all
Speaker 8: the time too. When you just like, this is where
Speaker 8: I wanted to be.
Speaker 3: Man, you mean as far as diminist returns are concerned.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean reality of this reality?
Speaker 3: So how long is it before it kicks into you?
Speaker 4: Now? I got into an unfortunate place where the only
Speaker 4: way that I could navigate my way through those disappointments
Speaker 4: was to then lower myself and lower my spirit to
Speaker 4: a place where I constantly.
Speaker 3: Just came in itself to be disappointed exactly, which.
Speaker 4: Is really putting a band aid over a bullet wound
Speaker 4: because it might help cope with that moment, but in
Speaker 4: the long run, that didn't service like my soul or
Speaker 4: my being and enjoying life and that sort of thing,
Speaker 4: because then, I mean, you do that for ten years
Speaker 4: and then you become cynical, and then you become evil,
Speaker 4: and then you become I mean it's just levels of
Speaker 4: low self esteem and all that stuff. So I mean,
Speaker 4: how long was it until, like, for you, was there
Speaker 4: ever a point where you're just like, oh, all my
Speaker 4: idols might disappoint me, or let me not meet them,
Speaker 4: and let me not take this phone call or have
Speaker 4: this lunch with this person. You know, I didn't even
Speaker 4: know you could have access to Michael Jackson. I'm like,
Speaker 4: wait a minute, you had Prince. Yeah, yeah, but meeting
Speaker 4: him was a very big be careful for what you
Speaker 4: ask for it because I meant, I'm not saying it
Speaker 4: wasn't idea. I mean we had great moments where it
Speaker 4: was fun and it was like everything I dreamed about
Speaker 4: playing with my idol.
Speaker 3: But there were a lot of I mean you've seen
Speaker 3: that stuff.
Speaker 4: There are a lot of moments that were like, ah, man,
Speaker 4: it was better off in my head, the idea in
Speaker 4: my head of Prince than what I got dealt with.
Speaker 1: There are a couple of things. One is I'm really
Speaker 1: grateful that I grew up as a jehovah'switness. I had
Speaker 1: posters of New Addition on my wall. I loved them.
Speaker 1: I talked to them my grandmother. I came home one
Speaker 1: day and my grandmother took all my posters down and
Speaker 1: she said, you're idolizing these boys. And I was like, no,
Speaker 1: I'm not, No, I'm not. And She's like, you're in
Speaker 1: there talking to them and telling them how you feel.
Speaker 1: They're they're people. No man is above you and no
Speaker 1: man is beneath you. I was devastating I didn't like
Speaker 1: my grandmother for a long time.
Speaker 3: That's really shit. Yeah, they cost you.
Speaker 1: This is the shits of it all. You have these
Speaker 1: dreams and you have these ideas of what the world
Speaker 1: is supposed to be like, and it is what it is.
Speaker 1: So what do I do? I take the good wherever
Speaker 1: I can find it, and I hold on to that
Speaker 1: as hard as I can. That's all I can do.
Speaker 1: The rest. I see it for what it is, and
Speaker 1: you know, I'll oh forgive it for because it's whack.
Speaker 1: You know, I'll just forgive it because just cousin, keep pushing.
Speaker 1: There's no need to hold on to that. Shit is
Speaker 1: disturbing and disappointing.
Speaker 7: But you know, has there been times in your career
Speaker 7: where it may have been someone that you met, like
Speaker 7: a younger artist or just anyone where you think you
Speaker 7: may have came across the wrong way to them and
Speaker 7: kind of in the disappointment of them and you had
Speaker 7: to kind of go back and clear up and be like, yo,
Speaker 7: I didn't really mean it that way, or whatever, like,
Speaker 7: have you ever found yourself on that side of the transaction.
Speaker 1: I'm certain, I'm certain because I'm not you know, perfect,
Speaker 1: I'm certain that they caught me in the middle of
Speaker 1: something and I'm trying to deal, just to deal. I remember,
Speaker 1: this is a you know, an advanced artist. But I
Speaker 1: saw Sha Ka Khan. I was so excited. I was like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, you're so beautiful, your peace. I just
Speaker 1: love you so much. And I were at the Grammys.
Speaker 1: I think I won that time. So I'm walking around like, oh, ship,
Speaker 1: you know, I want to write shoes. I wore flip flops,
Speaker 1: you know, don't hurt, so my personality is good, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm so excited. And one of her folks comes over
Speaker 1: to me and they're like, miss miss Khan is upset
Speaker 1: with you. I said, miss Khan, who this a Shakaka.
Speaker 3: Is upset with me?
Speaker 1: So I don't know, but I'm going over there to
Speaker 1: find out because it's Shaka Khana and I love her.
Speaker 1: So I go over there and she was like, you
Speaker 1: called me a beast.
Speaker 3: And I was like, wow, I'm glad.
Speaker 1: I'm so glad that I had the good sense to
Speaker 1: go over there. We laughed hysterically. I was like, you
Speaker 1: know what, but.
Speaker 5: Whatever, Like, who got the gall to say that? Ship
Speaker 5: to you?
Speaker 3: Ms com for real?
Speaker 1: And me me, you know, how could I call? I
Speaker 1: was like, Oh my god, this is this is crazy
Speaker 1: but very funny. These things happen.
Speaker 4: These things happen, Jill, what are the what are the
Speaker 4: beginning steps that starts with you getting your record deal?
Speaker 3: Wait a minute, First of all, can you clear up something?
Speaker 3: I'll try What was is Hidden Beach Michael Jordan's label?
Speaker 4: And I'm only asking this because I'm so obsessed with
Speaker 4: the ESPN thirty for thirty Michael Jordan's.
Speaker 3: Last dance documentary thing? Yeah I was. I think I
Speaker 3: was told that Hidden Beach was his label or something
Speaker 3: like like, what is what was Hidden Beach?
Speaker 9: Well?
Speaker 1: Hidden Beach Steve m Michael Jordan's invested.
Speaker 3: Oh okay, so here's this.
Speaker 1: Was I think, like the major investor in the face.
Speaker 4: Of At the time, I didn't know if if Steve
Speaker 4: or Michael, if Michael like started the label and then
Speaker 4: had him running or whatever.
Speaker 1: No, but it was it was incredible to be around him,
Speaker 1: and uh, he certainly put me in really nice rooms. Sure, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: he kind of liked me a little bit, and I
Speaker 1: was glad I got a chance to see some things
Speaker 1: and taste some things I didn't know existed. I was like,
Speaker 1: what is this you say, don't.
Speaker 7: Yeah, one of my buddies of mine, a buddy mine
Speaker 7: from down here, Charles Whitfield. He was around at that time.
Speaker 7: And yeah, I've heard a lot of those stories, the
Speaker 7: m J stories.
Speaker 1: A while, went to parties, he was parties all that
Speaker 1: it was.
Speaker 5: It was great.
Speaker 1: I don't know bulet. You're gonna tell me.
Speaker 3: What the bulet?
Speaker 5: The bulet is the black scal.
Speaker 3: Bones and bones and you know, like Illuminati.
Speaker 5: Yeah, the black called the Bulet.
Speaker 1: Didn't want me.
Speaker 5: Okay, they didn't want me. They were like they recruiting
Speaker 5: one of my DC friends.
Speaker 3: Bill.
Speaker 5: That's not for you to know, my friend, clearly.
Speaker 3: Thank you. You don't know what, Bill, I don't want
Speaker 3: to join society.
Speaker 5: It's the black, the black skulling.
Speaker 3: Black skull boats.
Speaker 1: Okay, they never wanted me.
Speaker 3: Ever, I didn't get for I didn't give my bulet.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's real quiet because it's in it, lit
Speaker 3: be in it. Tell us Ji, So you've known Amir
Speaker 3: for a long time, longer than you know of us.
Speaker 3: Have God? You see him evolve? Who was the who
Speaker 3: was the person you met?
Speaker 8: You know?
Speaker 3: Twenty this question? She's next? How have you seen wow.
Speaker 5: Okay, in the.
Speaker 1: In the beginning, he was so quiet. He hardly ever
Speaker 1: said anything to me. He barely ever looked me in
Speaker 1: the face. And you in my line, you would hardly
Speaker 1: ever looked me in the face. And I was coming
Speaker 1: and I was give me a hug, give me a hug.
Speaker 1: And I had to you know, like, actually.
Speaker 5: Years ago were more lovely than you were.
Speaker 1: Rich was a lovey I want to you know, do
Speaker 1: you remember you had played? I was on the road
Speaker 1: with you guys. You had played or something, and you
Speaker 1: were really tired. And I was like, well, let me
Speaker 1: massage your ankles. Do you remember this? And I came
Speaker 1: to your room and massaged your ankles and you fell asleep.
Speaker 3: That's my jail.
Speaker 5: By the way, we were like, I don't even let
Speaker 5: my fucker see my ankles.
Speaker 3: He's very sexy.
Speaker 1: He allowed me that time and he rested, and which
Speaker 1: is what I hope for. He seems so stressed and tired,
Speaker 1: and I was like, jail, the ankles is rare.
Speaker 8: Amir did not rest, So that was a big right, Okay,
Speaker 8: I have.
Speaker 1: Massaged a lot of people in this lifetime.
Speaker 5: Just that's your game, Ji.
Speaker 3: I wish I remembered this.
Speaker 1: It's just like you forgot.
Speaker 3: I think I can help.
Speaker 1: It's not the great I just think I can help.
Speaker 4: Wait wait wait sie side note because wait, wait, side note,
Speaker 4: because the first time that Erica tells the story of
Speaker 4: didn't you know she said the same thing about Dylan
Speaker 4: and I hit him. I'm like, wait a minute, you
Speaker 4: had a massage by Eric Abadu when you was making
Speaker 4: She was massaging him as he was cutting up, chopping
Speaker 4: up the sample turka blue sample. He's like, I don't
Speaker 4: remember it happening like that dog it was.
Speaker 1: It wasn't anything but sweetness. It was good and.
Speaker 8: Good.
Speaker 4: I'm probably the happiest place in my life right now. Uh, Jill,
Speaker 4: So that look you, thank you.
Speaker 1: I appreciate it.
Speaker 10: Take that on paid bill shot a sweats your ward.
Speaker 10: Motherfucker though, So now that.
Speaker 8: We did all the soft and can I just ask
Speaker 8: because the story because I know that Jill ended up
Speaker 8: on tour singer you got me, But how did we
Speaker 8: get to the point of the different vocalist?
Speaker 5: And then I want to know?
Speaker 3: Okay, so you get to play on the verses. Here's
Speaker 3: the deal.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I want to hear yours.
Speaker 4: Here's so what I remember was Joe and I had
Speaker 4: a lunch date. And do you remember us going to
Speaker 4: Copas two on South Street.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, Jill.
Speaker 4: Jill is one of six people whose demo I actually
Speaker 4: listened to and actually liked, like envy that it wasn't mine.
Speaker 3: The other and I've said the story before.
Speaker 4: The other acts were blow Slim Village, little Brother, Jill Scott,
Speaker 4: Georgia m Maldreau.
Speaker 5: She's been around along that.
Speaker 3: Jay Davy. No, I heard it.
Speaker 1: I never let you forget. He told me I would
Speaker 1: never sell a record.
Speaker 3: No no, no, no no no no no no no
Speaker 3: no no no no no no no no no no
Speaker 3: no I forgot. I forgot. I forgot. I forgot. First
Speaker 3: of all, this is me? That is me? Is that
Speaker 3: sounding me? Or that's selling Rich Nichols?
Speaker 1: That was you?
Speaker 3: It sounds like you, Steve Wow, you did. Wait, Jill,
Speaker 3: you brought this up.
Speaker 4: Before you brought this up. You brought this up for
Speaker 4: and I and I have issue with this. I don't
Speaker 4: think I ever said that.
Speaker 3: Alternate fact.
Speaker 4: No, listen, I remember sitting at the table you handed
Speaker 4: me your your your discmand Yes, it.
Speaker 3: Was nineteen ninety eight.
Speaker 1: I still have that by the way, and.
Speaker 4: I remember first, I was like, wait a minute, there's
Speaker 4: someone else in Philadelphia making music. First of all, I
Speaker 4: was envious to the tracks because I didn't know.
Speaker 5: You are skating around this one song. I'm just trying
Speaker 5: to get there.
Speaker 3: No no, no, no, no no, I'm gonna get to that.
Speaker 3: But this starts at Copas. It starts at Copas. And
Speaker 3: she said that. I said, that's never I don't think
Speaker 3: that ever. Like Joe Biden.
Speaker 4: Right now, I'm the king, Jill, I'm the king of
Speaker 4: my thoughts and my words, being on the opposite sides
Speaker 4: of the town. But I don't think there's ever a
Speaker 4: time in life in which I was not your biggest fan.
Speaker 4: So why is it not her A I'm just just
Speaker 4: I'm gonna get to that. I'm gonna get to that.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna get to that. Okay, but Jill, no, no, no,
Speaker 4: But Jill has always said that. In the beginning, I
Speaker 4: wasn't fully supportive and I said that she would never
Speaker 4: sell anything, only because I don't think that I thought that,
Speaker 4: or maybe I just thought like, oh, this is so
Speaker 4: good that maybe mainstream, Yeah, I could see that that
Speaker 4: mainstream audience won't get this but I was instantly in
Speaker 4: love with it. I've heard this story about baduism. I
Speaker 4: haven't heard it about Jill.
Speaker 1: Damn.
Speaker 5: You told her she wouldn't make it without you.
Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, no no. What I heard what
Speaker 3: you saying?
Speaker 7: I've read in the magazine. It was I think it
Speaker 7: was vibe or something. You heard a boy the wism
Speaker 7: and you were like, yo, I like it, but will
Speaker 7: you know the hood get it?
Speaker 3: We'll just right.
Speaker 4: I think the things that I love isn't necessarily palatable
Speaker 4: to mainstream America.
Speaker 1: And I was wrong.
Speaker 3: So maybe that's what I was trying to say, but
Speaker 3: I in no way was I not.
Speaker 4: I want to I want to repaint this history between
Speaker 4: you and I, Jill Scott, and saving the record that
Speaker 4: I was your I mean, if I took a lunch
Speaker 4: date with you about your music. I've never invited no
Speaker 4: one to the studio but you, and that includes D'Angelo
Speaker 4: and Erica and anyone else I've worked with. You're literally
Speaker 4: the lone human being.
Speaker 3: Agelo, he just didn't show up left and so all right,
Speaker 3: now you know I heard that quote. I was listening
Speaker 3: to that quote.
Speaker 4: It's an inside joke, all right. So now for Liea's story.
Speaker 4: All right, So the story you got me is I
Speaker 4: hear it and instantly know that this is going to
Speaker 4: change my life. I run downstairs from Joe Tarcia's room
Speaker 4: where Scott's playing it for me. Me, Scott and Rich
Speaker 4: are listen to the results of him and Jill and
Speaker 4: we're like, that's the one. And instantly I told Scott
Speaker 4: stop playing it because I don't want Rich getting demo.
Speaker 3: As we ran downstairs, I did it.
Speaker 4: So the German bass argument was probably like a three
Speaker 4: day thing, and I was like, okay, great, I'll just
Speaker 4: do it the regular way.
Speaker 3: I won't put any fancy, spancy things on it, and
Speaker 3: I'll do it. We do the song.
Speaker 7: It's fucking awesome. So we go to New York and
Speaker 7: this is what reek'svocals on and everything is done and done?
Speaker 3: Or is it just the best? You know what I think?
Speaker 4: I think he struggled with the last verse, so I know,
Speaker 4: all right, So we have other issues going on.
Speaker 3: Oh okay, all right, So here's the deal.
Speaker 4: Communication in the Roots banned in the nineteen ninety nine
Speaker 4: wasn't too.
Speaker 3: Much all motherfuckers. Why we know communication?
Speaker 4: There's something that you guys don't know communication and the
Speaker 4: roots band. He isn't two ideas. So here's the all right,
Speaker 4: so snack number one and you got me okay number one.
Speaker 4: I mean we've we've made it very public. Malik's codependency
Speaker 4: problems now becoming a major problem for the band. There
Speaker 4: have been situations of fights and money and all this stuff,
Speaker 4: and it's sort of like, well, is he or isn't he?
Speaker 3: What's he doing? Is he drinking too much? Da da
Speaker 3: da da?
Speaker 4: And then you see valves of white powder and shit,
Speaker 4: and so we're dealing with that type of drama. So
Speaker 4: something happens that gets us kicked out of Sigma because
Speaker 4: of Malik. So now Vocal Vocal headquarters are now at
Speaker 4: Larry Golds at the studio. So problem number one is
Speaker 4: we're not all in the same place at the same time,
Speaker 4: working and interacting.
Speaker 3: So now it's like a factory.
Speaker 4: Joe Tarci still likes me because of his history with
Speaker 4: my father, so it's sort of like a mirror. You
Speaker 4: can stay, but you know, Malick and all his running
Speaker 4: buddies and all that stuff. They gotta do, right. So
Speaker 4: all music's being tracked at Sigma and then we send
Speaker 4: them to seventh and Cala Hill to the studio to
Speaker 4: be recorded. So while that's happening, there's also a third
Speaker 4: factor is mixing, So between mixing with the Axual NEOs
Speaker 4: and Bob Power. So in the morning I'm tracking and
Speaker 4: then the evening I'm mixing in New York. Suddenly I'm
Speaker 4: getting these tapes and I'm hearing this girl like wait,
Speaker 4: and I'm calling Rich like wait, who's this female voice
Speaker 4: on track fourteen doing ad libs?
Speaker 3: And he was like, you know that girl, Eve, that's her?
Speaker 3: And so I'm like, oh, man, come on, oh even.
Speaker 5: Have a part in the Eve party.
Speaker 1: It was I didn't know she was. That's ke.
Speaker 4: No, that was Rique em Mail and and comeal And
Speaker 4: I mean, look by this point and we're we're totally
Speaker 4: skipping over like the jam sessions that are happening at
Speaker 4: the house and everyone being at the house. So Jill's
Speaker 4: a presence, Jaguars a presence, the Jazzy fan Nazis are
Speaker 4: a presence, News a presence. Uh occasionally, you know, ten
Speaker 4: year old Jasmine Sullivan's a present And at some point
Speaker 4: then suddenly it's like okay, Eve. And at the time,
Speaker 4: you know, it was like her and her girlfriends that
Speaker 4: she was stripping with or whatever, like they come to
Speaker 4: the crib.
Speaker 3: Malex bringing over these dudes. I don't know.
Speaker 4: They putting a ship out of my carpet. I mean
Speaker 4: Beanie and and bean and yeah, Chris and Nathan those guys.
Speaker 4: But I don't know them from a cannapign They're putting
Speaker 4: it out of my carpet. So I started hating the
Speaker 4: jam sessions. So once it hit me, wait, wait, this
Speaker 4: is this is the stripper joint, like the joint with
Speaker 4: the short hair that's on this record, and Rich was
Speaker 4: like yeah, And now I'm like, oh man, we're about
Speaker 4: to do that, like come to the studio and I'm like,
Speaker 4: this is this is like I don't know how I
Speaker 4: feel about Like, no one had a meeting with me
Speaker 4: about people on the record, So that's where communications started
Speaker 4: getting bad. So that was ain't saying nothing new. So
Speaker 4: it's like, okay, I'll put her ad libs down because
Speaker 4: I'm just like, who, no one had a conversation with
Speaker 4: me about it, so you got me time.
Speaker 3: Now I'm like, wait a minute, who's this wronging on
Speaker 3: the thing.
Speaker 4: And it was the same situation and I was just
Speaker 4: like yo, like y'all just putting people on this record
Speaker 4: and not saying shit like this is our hit, Like
Speaker 4: now we got we already have a voice on here,
Speaker 4: and now what now another person is doing around like
Speaker 4: this is our one chance to.
Speaker 11: Hit this ball out the park? There can only be
Speaker 11: one unknown and now there's like four entities and like
Speaker 11: what do we do? So that shit caused like a
Speaker 11: three week debate argument whatever.
Speaker 4: So we get the song done, we're playing, we're playing
Speaker 4: it for MCA, and now they're like, Okay, we believe
Speaker 4: in the song, but you know, the girl sings good, but.
Speaker 3: We feel like you should have a name to really
Speaker 3: do that. And we're like no, like this, she's killing
Speaker 3: this ship. She's killing this ship. So then it.
Speaker 4: Became a group meeting of like you got me just
Speaker 4: started to be a nightmare to deal with. Tarik didn't
Speaker 4: have a third verse. Now it's like, wait, so now
Speaker 4: we gotta or who's gonna tell Jill?
Speaker 3: Who told you Jill?
Speaker 9: No one bitch, No, nobody told me. Wow, nobody told me.
Speaker 3: Guys, mumpet new flash communication.
Speaker 4: It wasn't the best. Wait wait, I want to I
Speaker 4: want to make an announcement. I want to make an announcement.
Speaker 4: Communication was never the strong point, and it wasn't even
Speaker 4: like a mean spirited thing.
Speaker 3: It was more just like he'll do it, or he'll
Speaker 3: do it, or I got other ship to worry about.
Speaker 5: Asked Jill when she heard it.
Speaker 3: I remember, all right, I'm just saying that.
Speaker 4: Really, their logic was like, yo, you know, I've heard
Speaker 4: stories of like, well she wasn't marketable, da da da da.
Speaker 4: This to them it was like this is, yeah, she
Speaker 4: sings great, but she's unknown and burn a hand beats
Speaker 4: two in the push and Eric Abatu said yes, and
Speaker 4: you gotta do it. And then me and Bob Power
Speaker 4: and Tarique we flew to Dallas, which at that point
Speaker 4: she was literally it was still I think we did.
Speaker 4: You got me maybe early ninety eight, because I know
Speaker 4: that Dre three thousand. When we got to the studio,
Speaker 4: Erica just finished whatever she was singing on Outcast's Liberation,
Speaker 4: so a quim and I wasn't out yet, so I
Speaker 4: feel like this is early ninety eight, We get there,
Speaker 4: we do it. It was cool, but I didn't have
Speaker 4: the fire in my soul that I felt with Jill's version.
Speaker 4: At one point midway Erica stopped and said, yo, her
Speaker 4: version is jamming, Yo, Like, why don't y'all just use
Speaker 4: her version? And I was about to agree, and Rich
Speaker 4: was like, you know, Rich's whole thing is like, look,
Speaker 4: let's let's say be it like just attempted a few
Speaker 4: times and revenue you don't work with it. If it
Speaker 4: doesn't work, then da da da da da. But knowing
Speaker 4: good and well, like I'm not leaving here without without
Speaker 4: your vocal, without this version, because I was ready to
Speaker 4: give it and it was to.
Speaker 5: Play it a mir amir? Who gets to play it
Speaker 5: this week? Who should get to play it this week?
Speaker 5: On versus?
Speaker 3: First of all, will this episode even be?
Speaker 8: It does not matter, people will still want to know.
Speaker 8: I just need to This is after this just yes,
Speaker 8: this would be afterwards. But still who gets who gets
Speaker 8: the right to put.
Speaker 4: Well, there's two versions of You Got Me? So Erica
Speaker 4: can play her version from Being's small part and from
Speaker 4: bell part. Say I say, I would say.
Speaker 8: It's because you did opera jazz blues, No anybody, that's
Speaker 8: a whole Olympics long it is.
Speaker 4: Jill's version of You Got Me is also when the
Speaker 4: Things fall apart in twentieth anniversary real it is.
Speaker 3: I think that's rather cute.
Speaker 7: Go ahead, I was gonna say. I think two things. One,
Speaker 7: I think Jill should get to play it because she
Speaker 7: wrote it. Two, I would like to offer my hot
Speaker 7: take the complexity. Complexity is a far better song than
Speaker 7: You Got Me.
Speaker 3: That's just me. Let's just start.
Speaker 7: That's complexity because I must give Jill props for complexity
Speaker 7: because complexity is a very hard word to sing, and
Speaker 7: you would not said it that so well. And yeah,
Speaker 7: complexity is my joint. That's like my favorite roots Jill joint.
Speaker 7: I love that fucking song.
Speaker 3: You know what's weird? We knock that often, like fifteen minutes.
Speaker 4: I remember it's knocking out very quickly and me actually
Speaker 4: thinking like wow, this was not the like thank god,
Speaker 4: this wasn't the drama that you got me?
Speaker 1: Was was there lyrics to Complexity?
Speaker 9: When I came in.
Speaker 1: I don't remember, no, but.
Speaker 3: It just hit me. It just hit me.
Speaker 4: You were one of the fourteen for the you Oh
Speaker 4: my god, we did you know what? Complexity was so
Speaker 4: easy it made me forget the drama that was that
Speaker 4: you got me or now you got me to break
Speaker 4: you off?
Speaker 3: To break off?
Speaker 4: Remember that and you know what's weird, e this is
Speaker 4: so weird to say this on the air. Jill, you
Speaker 4: wrote that bridge break You Off? I forgot she wrote that.
Speaker 5: Did she get that credit?
Speaker 4: That's what I'm thinking about that right now, Like wait
Speaker 4: a minute, now is your time for all apologies that
Speaker 4: you have to.
Speaker 3: Wait?
Speaker 4: I get to Actually I could do a whole episode
Speaker 4: alone on the drama that was break you Off. By
Speaker 4: the time it got to Jill, it wasn't even break
Speaker 4: you Off. It was magic Foster whatever.
Speaker 3: It was your your metaphor magic false magic. Wait, Jill,
Speaker 3: you don't remember it.
Speaker 5: Like it's like an old Jill Scott poem.
Speaker 3: Okay, so you know the second part, you know the
Speaker 3: second part that the second part.
Speaker 4: Of the song that music sings by, right, he changed
Speaker 4: the words, but that was that was Jill's course, and
Speaker 4: it was like it was it was some sort of metaphorical,
Speaker 4: uh definition of whatever, like i'll you know, I'll stroke
Speaker 4: something and then your possible turned.
Speaker 1: You know, I wrote that.
Speaker 4: Well, the only part they kept was the baby, baby baby,
Speaker 4: and then your words were different.
Speaker 5: Oh, but I think I think carbon that sounds foreign
Speaker 5: to you, Jo.
Speaker 1: I think magic Fawcett elementary.
Speaker 4: No You You Break You Off started with weird enough
Speaker 4: Keky Wyatt to read, all right, who's who's the guy
Speaker 4: that invented the King of Comedy? Uh no, no no,
Speaker 4: but uh the guy that that promoted the other black
Speaker 4: ste Marveys, not bi Al Hayman, but whoever that guy
Speaker 4: is that I meant he's the Will Packard of kind of.
Speaker 3: For the comedy.
Speaker 4: He's the reason why Harvey, Steve Harvey and Mack and
Speaker 4: and all those et ceterac. The entertainers are the stars
Speaker 4: they are now. He's the one that threw the Kings
Speaker 4: of comedy that Spike shot. He had an idea, yeah,
Speaker 4: to have a black SNL and we shot that, uh
Speaker 4: that pilot in two thousand and one, and it was
Speaker 4: like the Roots were the house band.
Speaker 3: Think of SNL.
Speaker 4: We shot a blown up with earthquake and whoever the
Speaker 4: black comedians were that were popping at the time shot
Speaker 4: this thing, and the Roots were the house band, and
Speaker 4: Kiki Whatt and Music were sitting in with us and
Speaker 4: just fucking around. That's how it Break You Off gets birthed.
Speaker 4: And it was like, hey, that song we didn't sound check.
Speaker 4: That was pretty cool and let's let's do it. And
Speaker 4: so then it went for music to I think Alicia
Speaker 4: had showed us up seven times, and then Joe Lavert
Speaker 4: did his version, who he technically did the best version.
Speaker 12: I want to Jill wrote it, and then that didn't
Speaker 12: work out, and then I think, yep, that was my plan.
Speaker 1: That plan was also Frankie Beverly. No no, no, no no,
Speaker 1: I had three George Benson Gerald over Frankie Beverly. I
Speaker 1: don't know.
Speaker 5: That was when I was twelve.
Speaker 1: That was my list.
Speaker 3: Twelve and that mustache. Okay, yeah, maybe I don't really
Speaker 3: do mature old fast.
Speaker 1: I thought he was fabulous because I.
Speaker 3: Wasn't twelve years old thing about fucking Aretha Franklin when
Speaker 3: I was right, right right, yeah, but yeah, that song
Speaker 3: went around the world.
Speaker 4: Then then it went to Blow's version was the most
Speaker 4: curious because he was crying on his version, like.
Speaker 3: And then somehow just wound up back to break you off.
Speaker 4: But yeah, it's so by the time all that was
Speaker 4: done then, yeah, complexity was done in like ten minutes.
Speaker 3: So I love that song. I love that song.
Speaker 1: I like it when it's it's easy like that, when
Speaker 1: it's you don't even think about it. It's just happening.
Speaker 1: That's so fun, and then you go on to the
Speaker 1: next thing. So how did I hear about it? I
Speaker 1: was on twenty second Street. I was in North Philly.
Speaker 1: I think I think I was probably headed to my
Speaker 1: theater job. I don't know, I'm not sure, probably, and
Speaker 1: it was coming out of one of the hair beauty
Speaker 1: supply places. It was on you know how the wa
Speaker 1: It was on the radio when I heard when she heard,
Speaker 1: she heard the radio when I heard it for the
Speaker 1: first we.
Speaker 3: Are horrible, we trash. Wait wait, she's still.
Speaker 5: We played the record on the radio, Wait, no, No,
Speaker 5: on the agame.
Speaker 1: Out of the stores on twenty second Street. I was
Speaker 1: coming to getting probably a perm or something, and I
Speaker 1: was walking from the beauty supply place. It was coming
Speaker 1: out of every store and I heard the beginning, and
Speaker 1: I got all excited, and I was like, oh shit,
Speaker 1: my inner you know, my inner self, I'm just so
Speaker 1: pleased and nobody knows. And I was like, oh God,
Speaker 1: and even when it comes on, nobody's gonna know it's me.
Speaker 1: I'm so excited. And then I heard a voice that
Speaker 1: was not my own, and I was like, that's Erica
Speaker 1: and I'm looking. There's nobody to talk to. I don't
Speaker 1: know any you know, I don't know anybody. I can't
Speaker 1: share this story with anybody yet. I mean, I were
Speaker 1: cell phones. I just think. I think. I just walked
Speaker 1: to the end of the block. And by the time
Speaker 1: I got there, I was like, Eric abad is singing
Speaker 1: my song. Okay, song no no, I as a writer
Speaker 1: to go from zip to a Grammy Award winning singer
Speaker 1: singing your song like I was like, I'm in, I'm in.
Speaker 1: I can't even deny that. And then you guys were, well,
Speaker 1: let's take her on the road. And then I had
Speaker 1: that horrible lawyer who tried to gank y'all for all
Speaker 1: of this money. It was horrible. Luckily we were able
Speaker 1: to work that out. Oh it was terrible. She was
Speaker 1: just trying to bleed you dry to sing a hook
Speaker 1: to one song. I didn't do anything else but sing
Speaker 1: one hooks. And then you took me on the road
Speaker 1: and and treated me like a newbie and left me
Speaker 1: in Paris.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 5: Wait wait, wait wait wait that came through. I don't
Speaker 5: know if you heard that. I got what happened.
Speaker 1: They there was a ticket at the desk for me
Speaker 1: to go home. Luckily, Luckily, I got the ticket and
Speaker 1: had to figure out how to get to the airport,
Speaker 1: because you know the French, they don't like it if
Speaker 1: you don't French. Straight out fact that I found a
Speaker 1: way to get to the airport through the airport. At
Speaker 1: the time, they didn't have English translation on anything in
Speaker 1: the French airport. In the Paris airport, you.
Speaker 5: Could.
Speaker 1: You could left my ass in Paris, and I learned everything.
Speaker 1: I learned everything from you. I'm gonna say I'm mayor,
Speaker 1: but from the roots. I learned how I don't want
Speaker 1: to travel.
Speaker 5: I learned how I don't.
Speaker 1: Love. I don't know about how you are now. But
Speaker 1: they put me in a hotel that it was across
Speaker 1: the street from their hotel. I think we were in Detroit,
Speaker 1: and they said, your hotel is over there, and I
Speaker 1: was like over here. They were like, yep, right across
Speaker 1: the street.
Speaker 6: Damn.
Speaker 1: Clearly, the smell of cigarette smoke was so strong. When
Speaker 1: I walked in the front door, I was like, I
Speaker 1: gotta take a shower, or I gotta take a shower.
Speaker 1: I'm on a bus full of dudes, I can't I
Speaker 1: gotta take a shower.
Speaker 5: So I go in the room and.
Speaker 1: And it's you know how, it's when the woodworks have
Speaker 1: been painted again and again and again. Yeah, the bad
Speaker 1: I questioned. I was like, okay, I can't do that.
Speaker 1: So I took all the towels and I put them
Speaker 1: into and I showered and dried off with my clothes
Speaker 1: and got out of there. But while I was in
Speaker 1: the shower, I had my luggage up against the door
Speaker 1: because on the outside they were like, I told you back,
Speaker 1: my money just.
Speaker 3: Sold on.
Speaker 7: So let me understand that. So this was a hotel.
Speaker 7: This was a motel, Like you opened the door and
Speaker 7: it led to outside.
Speaker 1: It led to crazy house. It was a small house
Speaker 1: with winding steps that they called the hotel that I
Speaker 1: think they used prostution.
Speaker 3: That was the damn halfway house.
Speaker 5: That's where I was staying.
Speaker 8: Yes, samn, Yes, explains a lot, because I bet you
Speaker 8: on that tour in Switzerland and I was like, man,
Speaker 8: she showing short with the hello nice okay she.
Speaker 3: Yeah, damn y'all had jill in the lack of wanna
Speaker 3: blues house.
Speaker 1: Guys, I feel like everybody has to have they have
Speaker 1: to be haze to a certain degree. You have it's
Speaker 1: a writer. It was the same way with theater. It's
Speaker 1: the same way with this business. It's the same way
Speaker 1: with touring. Y'all would do this, this is my favorite.
Speaker 1: You never you didn't smoke. But the guys would be like, yeah,
Speaker 1: me and so.
Speaker 5: Oh is good for that? No he is, admittedly so
Speaker 5: he don't.
Speaker 1: It was it was everybody. The only person that was
Speaker 1: nice to me. Kamal was nice to me, and Kamal
Speaker 1: was nice to me, and Hub would occasionally hub.
Speaker 5: Okay, okay.
Speaker 1: There was a gentleman there.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 1: Yes. Occasionally he would tell me you're doing okay and
Speaker 1: I said okay. Other than that, that was it.
Speaker 5: I learned so much.
Speaker 1: I learned so much. Thank you. Did I ever tell
Speaker 1: you thank you? Did I ever tell you?
Speaker 3: Thank you?
Speaker 1: So so so much my life.
Speaker 7: I feel like if we had the sound bite of
Speaker 7: Miss Sophia saying, woman ain't chasing a house full of men?
Speaker 3: Damn.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the roughest tour I've ever been on, and
Speaker 1: maintain that fro, that whole tour, that that fro was beautiful.
Speaker 5: It made Muhammada go, wait, somebody with me.
Speaker 1: I feel like that my barber had my hair like fevers.
Speaker 1: It was gorgeous.
Speaker 3: Man remember Barber's oh Man, Yeah, thank you, so Jill,
Speaker 3: damn it.
Speaker 5: It's okay, okay, it's okay, it's okay.
Speaker 1: Crime I've done.
Speaker 8: Everything happens for a reason, nothing but none of this
Speaker 8: would have happened if not for the other thing.
Speaker 4: So right, it's like our first real extended conversations lasted
Speaker 4: more than an hour in our twenty years of knowing
Speaker 4: each other.
Speaker 3: Now, I don't understand why she ended up working with
Speaker 3: Jesse Jail