Speaker 1: Yeah, welcome to J dot L, a production of iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2: What's Up? Hi? Hi, Hi, everybody, Welcome to J dot
Speaker 2: L the Podcast. I'm sitting here with my wonderful sister
Speaker 2: friends Laiah Saint Clair what that was?
Speaker 3: And Aga Graydon Danceler.
Speaker 2: Hello. Yeah, it's been it's been a little moment. Lots
Speaker 2: has occurred in our in our lives. Some of it
Speaker 2: is wild and amazing, and some of it is simple
Speaker 2: and poignant, and some of it just we slept, you know,
Speaker 2: I know, I took a deep, deep nap on them
Speaker 2: on multiple kass Jill Scott by the way, because I
Speaker 2: didn't introduce myself, but yeah, I definitely didn't. Okay, Yes,
Speaker 2: good good things, Yeah, good good good life, living stuff,
Speaker 2: just living. One thing that I discovered during this time
Speaker 2: is that I have I have an achilles spur. Oh shit,
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you got spurs like the President. I got spurs.
Speaker 2: I just showed my age.
Speaker 4: I did.
Speaker 3: What that mean though? What that mean?
Speaker 2: It means that I got some weird bone that is
Speaker 2: kind of sticking out and just agitating my my achilles.
Speaker 3: Wo.
Speaker 2: So eventually I'm probably gonna have to get that shaved
Speaker 2: or something like that.
Speaker 1: Like, I don't know, does that affect your ability where
Speaker 1: like high heels and stuff?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 3: Yes, absolutely, without question?
Speaker 4: Yo, can you talk about because let's just keep it
Speaker 4: funky and absolutely real that we've all been on on
Speaker 4: who is Joe Scott tour break and it's just interesting
Speaker 4: seeing your new tour regalia versus your old and talking
Speaker 4: about shoes because Asian and I were fortunate enough to
Speaker 4: catch you, you know, in the in the in your
Speaker 4: tour process, and I got a little jealous. I was like, Jill,
Speaker 4: what the hell? What change? No?
Speaker 2: No, no, And then that another part of that is
Speaker 2: like you guys know I have anxiety, right, I understand
Speaker 2: it's just a lot of people. It's a lot of people,
Speaker 2: and I'm in front of a lot of people. You know,
Speaker 2: it's been a while too, right, it's been three years?
Speaker 3: Oh yes, right, yes.
Speaker 2: You know. I'll shaken in my boots quite a bit,
Speaker 2: like can I do this? Do I do I remember?
Speaker 2: Will I will I be able to emote? Will I
Speaker 2: will I be able to change? You know?
Speaker 3: Will I be able to like?
Speaker 2: I don't know, Like it's been a long time and
Speaker 2: I've really been living another life, you know, outside.
Speaker 4: Getting the reviews, and the reviews say that Jill is.
Speaker 2: Fucking That's how I feel.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I feel like a good rest changes the game.
Speaker 1: A good rest, you're nervous about not being able to
Speaker 1: re enter, But the rest and the step back is
Speaker 1: what makes you probably that much better. Like you're saying, yeah,
Speaker 1: you come back with a fresh energy, and you know,
Speaker 1: like you haven't used the voice in that same way
Speaker 1: in a long time. So the voice has rested. The
Speaker 1: body has rested too. The body has rested. I think
Speaker 1: I'm not surprised that it's been off the chain. I
Speaker 1: wore sneakers on stage for the first time in a
Speaker 1: long long time recently too.
Speaker 3: And I'm gonna tell you something.
Speaker 2: It's you ain't never going back. But you ain't never
Speaker 2: going back.
Speaker 3: I bet you you got something. Here's one. You're saying better.
Speaker 5: Because you're comfortable.
Speaker 1: That's fair enough, because you're comfortable. And you ever heard
Speaker 1: you'd you have her? The saying flat foot singing, well.
Speaker 4: Patty LaBelle, y'all just made me think about Patty Like
Speaker 4: she kicks off the shoes.
Speaker 2: That's when she kicks off the shoes.
Speaker 3: That flat foot singing, it's different.
Speaker 2: I mean, I ain't gonna lie. I wear birkenstocks, I
Speaker 2: wear wear whatever. I feel like.
Speaker 1: I would take this moment to honor, honor the elder
Speaker 1: that is Lisa Fisher.
Speaker 2: We we wanted to her because she always.
Speaker 1: No, Because I'm gonna tell you something. A while ago
Speaker 1: she decided, I'm not doing this. I'm not doing this
Speaker 1: with y'all anymore. I'm not giving y'all full on glamoor, makeup,
Speaker 1: hair heels. You all are gonna get this singing on today, and.
Speaker 3: That's what you're gonna get.
Speaker 1: And once she gave us the singing, she said, no,
Speaker 1: you're gonna come for the singing, okay.
Speaker 4: But she she was. She was in Glam War, she
Speaker 4: was in Glam Military. I mean she started out.
Speaker 3: With, yes, she comes from that era.
Speaker 1: You pulled it together, honey, Yes that's Jill.
Speaker 3: You said ship, you sprayed it, you sacked it, and
Speaker 3: then you gave them voice. Okay, she said, no, we're
Speaker 3: stripping this down.
Speaker 2: So wait, is Jill Scott not cinching anymore? Are you
Speaker 2: like you saying you for the shoes the sench. This
Speaker 2: is Jill Scott. I'm gonna tell you the whole truth
Speaker 2: everything I do, everything, that I do supports me on stage. Okay,
Speaker 2: Like I definitely I wears a cinch, but it's it's
Speaker 2: also across my back so that I feel safe. Yeah,
Speaker 2: Like it's a whole thing. I read, Oh wow, strengthening
Speaker 2: aligned exactly all the things.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, indeed.
Speaker 2: Yeah. But I also realized that since I've been on
Speaker 2: this road for these last couple of months, I'm like, girl,
Speaker 2: it's it's it's some exercising to be done. It's a
Speaker 2: muscle builds un to be done because it's been three years,
Speaker 2: and it's a I'm different you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: It's a different muscle, it's a different energy. But how
Speaker 2: I am now is strange to me because after I
Speaker 2: get off stage, I am beaming for about three four hours.
Speaker 2: I don't go to bed. I can't go to bed.
Speaker 2: I'm still walking, you know, I'm still like talking, I'm
Speaker 2: still like moving, I'm still you know. So typically now
Speaker 2: I'm like, when I get back to the hotel, I'll
Speaker 2: just pack all my stuff up, you know, like to
Speaker 2: prepare for the next day so that I can sleep.
Speaker 3: A little longer.
Speaker 2: Bea we got to go to the next you know, Like, yes,
Speaker 2: but I got it.
Speaker 1: I'm like, because I mean, I don't know singing it
Speaker 1: does it? It's the payoff for all the other bs.
Speaker 1: You go through all the other bs to feel that
Speaker 1: spiritual and that physical connection and you go out there
Speaker 1: and it's just like amazing. There's nothing on the planet
Speaker 1: like that. And then mind you you're singing your songs.
Speaker 3: You're singing your songs.
Speaker 1: That you wrote from your heart and your experience and
Speaker 1: your living that. Yeah, and your your your and your creativity,
Speaker 1: and you're living that in that moment, you're reconnecting with
Speaker 1: your own you know, ability to create.
Speaker 3: Yeah, all of that is that's the point, right.
Speaker 1: That that talking about it like I feel it.
Speaker 2: It's if I had any questions whether I still loved
Speaker 2: it or that, you know, if it was for me
Speaker 2: or not. I got my answer.
Speaker 3: I got my answer.
Speaker 2: Oh good, because yeah, because you know, I was quitting
Speaker 2: many many, many times.
Speaker 4: We hope, so we want you to enjoy it while
Speaker 4: you're doing it. Yeah, So can I ask my fan
Speaker 4: perspective because 'all know I like to I like to
Speaker 4: look at y'all and my fan perspective sometimes.
Speaker 5: So this is interesting.
Speaker 4: But my performance thing right because I Jill said she
Speaker 4: hasn't performed in three years, right, But I know that agent.
Speaker 5: She has been doing like a few spot days out
Speaker 5: throughout the COVID and whatnot. Whatever.
Speaker 4: But you just had your first big trip international trip.
Speaker 5: Right in the COVID. Am I right?
Speaker 2: How's that right?
Speaker 5: This is your first big international work trip work trip.
Speaker 1: Oh no, I wasn't working. I wasn't working, you know,
Speaker 1: you know I worked. The only year that I didn't
Speaker 1: work was twenty twenty.
Speaker 5: Wait wait wait the only work.
Speaker 3: I was only the only year is I just want
Speaker 3: to say this.
Speaker 1: The only time that I did not work was twenty twenty,
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one, I went back to work.
Speaker 2: I worked a lot, That's what I'm saying. That's what
Speaker 2: I say.
Speaker 5: I'm saying.
Speaker 2: And then twenty.
Speaker 1: Twenty two was the year that we worked the most.
Speaker 1: So we worked every month like we' this.
Speaker 5: Is That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: So this is this was my first job.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this was my first time overseas in over in
Speaker 1: over three years. But I did not go to work.
Speaker 1: I actually don't go back to Europe to work for
Speaker 1: another I think like six months.
Speaker 5: I forgot you didn't work when you went.
Speaker 6: More real talk after the break.
Speaker 2: Wait a minute, So why were you in Europe?
Speaker 3: I wasn't in Europe. No, I wasn't. I went to Okay,
Speaker 3: all right, yeah, y'all, y'all pulls together a segway.
Speaker 5: God, we're doing this for a while.
Speaker 2: I know.
Speaker 3: I was like, this is so professional. Where'd I go?
Speaker 4: So?
Speaker 5: I did not go up.
Speaker 1: I went to to Saudia, Arabia zalig.
Speaker 3: Yes. I went to Saudi for seven days.
Speaker 1: It was not for work. It was a spiritual pilgrimage.
Speaker 1: But it's the minor pilgrimage. So I know many of
Speaker 1: you all who if you're familiar with Malcolm X, right,
Speaker 1: then Malcolm goes and makes Hodge and that's when he
Speaker 1: becomes el Hadje Malik Shabbaz, right, And for the most
Speaker 1: kind of general black, general black audience, that's what they
Speaker 1: know of Hodge. So Hodge is the major kind of
Speaker 1: once in a lifetime pilgrimage that Muslims make. Then there's
Speaker 1: like a minor, a minor pilgrimage called Umra. Umra is
Speaker 1: something that you can make at any time, really and
Speaker 1: you can do it as many times as you want to.
Speaker 1: And umra can you know you can do that in
Speaker 1: any time during the year. So this year, the backstory
Speaker 1: is that my mother in law, who is in her
Speaker 1: I won't.
Speaker 3: Even say what her age is. She's nailser. It'd alling.
Speaker 1: We don't put the age out there that was sold.
Speaker 1: We don't do that anymore. So she has been Muslim
Speaker 1: for fifty plus years. She was going to make Umra.
Speaker 1: My brother in law was going to escort her as well.
Speaker 1: She and her best friend best girlfriend were going to go,
Speaker 1: and that was their plan. Well, as the planning was
Speaker 1: going forward, her children one by one decided they were
Speaker 1: going to also go. But she didn't know this. So
Speaker 1: we had already planned that we were going to do
Speaker 1: a sendoff dinner for her the night before she left
Speaker 1: to go to Saudi. But what she didn't know was
Speaker 1: that the night that we had her send away that
Speaker 1: we were going to reveal that all but two of
Speaker 1: her children would also be making this pilgrimage with her.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 3: So it was all but two of her children and
Speaker 3: their mates.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I had a party.
Speaker 1: We had a party plane dowelling yes, and then so
Speaker 1: two other family friends also came. So there were eleven
Speaker 1: of us in total. And what we ended up calling
Speaker 1: ourselves was the Umra eleven darling. We had a fabulous
Speaker 1: and beautiful trip. Yeah, And so it was just as
Speaker 1: much a reconnection at a family level, at a community level,
Speaker 1: as it was also a kind of a spiritual reconnection
Speaker 1: and also to like going into a different country and
Speaker 1: experiencing what their day to day is like. And also too,
Speaker 1: if you're black and you're Muslim in America, you are
Speaker 1: always going to kind of feel a sense of isolation.
Speaker 1: You'll feel a sense of isolation in Islamic spaces, You'll
Speaker 1: feel a sense of isolation in non Islamic spaces and
Speaker 1: white spaces and blacks, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: All of that, so you'll experience some of that.
Speaker 1: One of the things that was interesting was to go
Speaker 1: into an Islamic country and the things that are things
Speaker 1: you have to seek out in America that are just part.
Speaker 3: Of the norm.
Speaker 1: Like like when you're traveling and you check it to
Speaker 1: a hotel, there's a mosque in the hotel. You can
Speaker 1: go pray so you can play the hotel. You don't
Speaker 1: have to pray.
Speaker 2: In your room.
Speaker 1: You don't have to find a mosque, you don't have
Speaker 1: to there's one right there when it's time for a
Speaker 1: call to prayer. The call to prayer happens publicly, you
Speaker 1: don't have to have it on your phone. That's when
Speaker 1: I realized that I was American. Like my prayer reminder
Speaker 1: would go off on my phone and.
Speaker 3: Everybody would look around, like, well, what do you even
Speaker 3: need that for, ma'am? You don't need it all the food?
Speaker 2: Wait, wait, wait, because it goes off. Let's get back
Speaker 2: to We'll get to the meat, I promise and the
Speaker 2: food because I already.
Speaker 3: Know, oh my god.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just I haven't been in Saudi Arabia, but being
Speaker 2: in Istanbul all right, the five times a day, it
Speaker 2: was the most beautiful full body prayer experience that everybody
Speaker 2: was having collect.
Speaker 3: The same time.
Speaker 5: Oh, because they stop. Everybody stops.
Speaker 3: Yeah, people pray on the street.
Speaker 1: It's not it's not even a thing. It's not a thing.
Speaker 1: So for us it's looking at it feels extraordinary, but
Speaker 1: it is the mundane for them, you know. And so yeah,
Speaker 1: that the call to prayer is a really beautiful thing
Speaker 1: that was done first by Blao, who wasn't a man
Speaker 1: of African descent, and the first call to prayer was
Speaker 1: done by that brother. The first in history was done
Speaker 1: by a man of African descent, and the idea that
Speaker 1: the melodic way and the recitation of it sounds like singing,
Speaker 1: it just does.
Speaker 3: It is. It is a.
Speaker 1: Very beautiful connection with God that is undeniable. When you
Speaker 1: hear the Avan being called, I don't care what faith
Speaker 1: you practice, you cannot deny the beauty of this thing.
Speaker 3: You can't.
Speaker 1: It is an undeniable It is an undeniable beauty. And
Speaker 1: what it means in English is a universal call to
Speaker 1: praise God. So even if you are not of the faith,
Speaker 1: listening to it and even repeating it for yourself is.
Speaker 3: Absolutely culture for all.
Speaker 1: So at the end of the day, it's something that
Speaker 1: you can that everyone can at a human you know,
Speaker 1: place connect with if you do believe in God.
Speaker 3: So there's that right, so you know, anyway.
Speaker 1: But that was one of the one of the wonderful
Speaker 1: things was that, like I said, many of the things
Speaker 1: that were mundane in Saudi were things that you know,
Speaker 1: you have to kind of seek out. All the food
Speaker 1: is allowed. And so here's another little interesting tidbit. We
Speaker 1: went the week of the first week of Rhyme. So
Speaker 1: when we got there, several days after we arrived was
Speaker 1: the first was the first day of Ramadan. Ramadan, for
Speaker 1: those of you who don't know, it's thirty day fast
Speaker 1: from sun up to sundown that Muslims do every year
Speaker 1: according to the lunar calendar. So it's not the same
Speaker 1: time every year like Christmas or Easter or something like that.
Speaker 1: It happens, you know, it moves around, right, because it's
Speaker 1: according to the lunar calendar. But it is thirty days
Speaker 1: and we do fast thirty from sun up to sundown.
Speaker 1: So one of the wonderful things about being in Saudi
Speaker 1: Arabia doing Ramadan is that everything's open at night, at night, children, people,
Speaker 1: everybody's awake because at the end of the day you
Speaker 1: got to eat after sundown, and so people like to
Speaker 1: run their errands. You can go shopping at night till
Speaker 1: two three o'clock in the morning. You can go to Starbucks,
Speaker 1: you can do all. Everything's open. It's like turned up,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, in the most like you know,
Speaker 1: religious conservative way you can be, but it is turned out.
Speaker 4: Did you feel like did you feel like early morning, right, yeah,
Speaker 4: early morning.
Speaker 1: Did you feel like there was a homing there was
Speaker 1: a homey ness. You understand what I'm saying, there's a
Speaker 1: there's a homey ness. I know that there are a
Speaker 1: lot of Muslims, black, white whoever, who do feel very
Speaker 1: much like when they're in Saudi, like, this is the
Speaker 1: life that I want to live because this is conducive
Speaker 1: to my belief, because my belief dictates my lifestyle. So
Speaker 1: for them, it's like to have and live in a
Speaker 1: space that also is dictated and lifestyle is dictated by that.
Speaker 1: It's like a breath of fresh air, a release of
Speaker 1: the pressure of like western you know, Western ways kind
Speaker 1: of thing. And I definitely felt that release. I felt
Speaker 1: that release of this kind of Western way of doing
Speaker 1: things that makes you feel like you gotta be doing
Speaker 1: this kind of thing all the time we got on
Speaker 1: the train, and before the train went on its journey,
Speaker 1: over the loudspeaker, after they gave us our information about.
Speaker 3: What time it was and when we was going.
Speaker 1: To arrive, they played a travel doua, which is a prayer,
Speaker 1: and it felt like that felt homie to me because
Speaker 1: you know how black people are, like, Oh, we about
Speaker 1: to go somewhere, let's pray all right, Lord give us
Speaker 1: traveling mercies and blah dah dah dah. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, A very it harkens to a very black,
Speaker 1: you know, Christian centric, but black way of doing things,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying that we grew up on.
Speaker 2: I think it's very interesting that it's called doah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, it's very interesting.
Speaker 1: There's so many beautiful words, so many beautiful meanings to
Speaker 1: things you had.
Speaker 5: No American moments.
Speaker 1: Agent from my favorite American moment was this, The whole
Speaker 1: country is is quiet.
Speaker 3: Everywhere is quiet.
Speaker 1: And listen, there are degrees of there are degrees of quiet.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: So when we flew and we flew into Qatar, which
Speaker 1: is a different country but still it's like right on
Speaker 1: the little edge of on the east coast edge of
Speaker 1: Saudi Arabia, right, So it's very you know, big city ish,
Speaker 1: very metropolitan, you know what I'm saying. So even though
Speaker 1: it was kind of mellow in Qatar, it wasn't quiet.
Speaker 3: So we moved from Qatar to Jetta.
Speaker 1: Jedda is on the west coast of Saudi Arabia, in
Speaker 1: between Medina and Mecca, two of the Holy cities.
Speaker 3: Right, So you get to Jetta and Jedda is a
Speaker 3: little quieter right. Then the next day we went to Medina,
Speaker 3: and Medina was pin drop, baby, pin drop, you feel.
Speaker 5: Work for this group of large black people.
Speaker 1: They everywhere we were. If it wasn't bad enough that
Speaker 1: we was black and American child, we was loud and
Speaker 1: adjusting to it was interesting because at first we weren't
Speaker 1: even cognizant of our volume because we're just being normal
Speaker 1: right right.
Speaker 3: And I was talking to so.
Speaker 1: There was a brother there that was with us, a
Speaker 1: family friend who's an email and at one point he
Speaker 1: noticed it and was.
Speaker 3: Like, oh, y'all, people are literally staring at us.
Speaker 5: I know they are, and looking at y'all life with
Speaker 5: the nasty looks.
Speaker 1: Like yeah, I mean, and let me just tell you
Speaker 1: we got equal parts nasty and equal parts kind.
Speaker 2: Loving, welcoming.
Speaker 1: It was just like any place really, to be honest,
Speaker 1: like if just as much rude ship in Paris.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. I heard, so my thing
Speaker 3: is so.
Speaker 1: Anyway, So suggesting ourselves was really interesting. And at first
Speaker 1: I'm talking to him, I'm like, so are we adjusting
Speaker 1: ourselves culturally? Because or are I said, See, I have
Speaker 1: to always check things like is this anti black because
Speaker 1: my joy is okay. We do because because I'm like
Speaker 1: my joy and the way I express myself is okay,
Speaker 1: everywhere I go, I'm I'm okay. So I needed to
Speaker 1: I had to be clear on what I was doing.
Speaker 1: Am I silencing myself in this moment? Or am I
Speaker 1: being respectful?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 1: Because being respectful is important too, because you just can't
Speaker 1: be whatever you want to be everywhere, and that's just
Speaker 1: the truth. Sometimes you do have to do. You have
Speaker 1: to be respectful of other people. Sometimes you have to
Speaker 1: eat in the Calabash, babee. Sometimes you gotta eat. So
Speaker 1: that's the thing. So for me, I'm like, all right, cool,
Speaker 1: but I had to check that. I was like, let me,
Speaker 1: let me, let me have a conversation with myself. What
Speaker 1: am I doing here?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 1: And eventually the quiet really didn't fight me. Eventually the
Speaker 1: quiet just became the norm. It was like, eventually, it
Speaker 1: wasn't a thing where it was just like, oh, let
Speaker 1: me not look like I'm loud and black. It just
Speaker 1: felt like it's quiet here, so let me experience the quiet.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 2: I love this so so so much, age, I love
Speaker 2: this so so so much because.
Speaker 3: Listen, y'all, why you think we so loud.
Speaker 2: Years and years are not being heard, years and years
Speaker 2: of being ignored, years and years of doing things and
Speaker 2: being things and having them stolen. Why you think we
Speaker 2: so loud? Huh.
Speaker 5: I can't take your truth right now.
Speaker 4: I can't take all this truth right now, Joe Scott, listen,
Speaker 4: I can't take all this listen.
Speaker 2: Thank you for explaining me.
Speaker 5: Thank you for explaining me.
Speaker 3: Thank you.
Speaker 1: If you feel silenced in general, Probably there is a
Speaker 1: tendency to when you're happy, to be very happy, right,
Speaker 1: But I also want to be careful not to look
Speaker 1: at our joy through the lens of that.
Speaker 3: Either there is just.
Speaker 2: A nasal quiet joy too.
Speaker 1: Maybe there is just a natural inclination to joyous behavior
Speaker 1: that we just have.
Speaker 2: Who knows.
Speaker 4: I thought we created the word hey, come on, but.
Speaker 3: Here's the vibes, here's the vibes. All of it is true.
Speaker 3: I think I think it's all true.
Speaker 1: And you know, I love to hold a multiply appreciate
Speaker 1: we are not.
Speaker 2: We're not. That's what I love, y'all.
Speaker 3: Motherfucking women. That's why.
Speaker 4: That's because we have you knowed you've been saying it's
Speaker 4: black women. For me lately, I've been saying that a lot.
Speaker 2: Listen and sisters, that's what I'm saying, is always that.
Speaker 2: That's why I won't.
Speaker 1: And let me say this not this is not even
Speaker 1: like a a This is not a slight to any anybody.
Speaker 1: You have when you have a shared no, no what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: but when you when you have a shared religious belief
Speaker 1: for spiritual belief that's all over the world. See, that's
Speaker 1: one thing that's really kind of beautiful. You go there
Speaker 1: and you see people from all over. But there was
Speaker 1: a difference in the way sisters who were brown treated me,
Speaker 1: talk to me, touched me. Then there was a difference.
Speaker 3: There was a different kind of kindness, openness and receiving.
Speaker 1: There just was. And we connect like that all over
Speaker 1: the world. This is what I understand about it now, right,
Speaker 1: A sister from Somalia talked to me, a sister from here,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: It was like a beautiful thing.
Speaker 1: But I did and that was kind of a very
Speaker 1: very much like a built in softness that was there.
Speaker 1: You know, that was a built in And I don't
Speaker 1: say that to say I didn't have kind moments with
Speaker 1: other women and other women who were American and or
Speaker 1: English speaking who weren't black. Because that happened. Also, English
Speaker 1: speaking people definitely sought me out. So I had a
Speaker 1: great moment with a sister from the UK, a white
Speaker 1: sister from the UK. I had a great moment with
Speaker 1: a sister from Detroit who prayed next to me the
Speaker 1: Prophet's Mosque in Medina. And I had a great moment
Speaker 1: where another sister was from Canada whose parents are from Somalia,
Speaker 1: but she grew up in Canada.
Speaker 3: So I had a bunch of different moments like that, we're.
Speaker 7: Gonna take a quick break and then we'll be right back.
Speaker 2: I love that you were able to experience being first
Speaker 2: everybody was, you know, of same faith, not similar, same same.
Speaker 3: That's to experience.
Speaker 2: That because you're obviously here in the United States. You know,
Speaker 2: you've got your Christians, and then you got your Christians,
Speaker 2: and they got your Christians, and then got your Christians,
Speaker 2: and then you got your It's a lot.
Speaker 1: Well, to be fair, to be fair, to be fair,
Speaker 1: there's variation in the Islamic world. So there's there's very Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's variation in all of it, right, the would be.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: There's variation in the way people do things their culture
Speaker 1: very much. So if you go into if you go
Speaker 1: into Mecca, right, and that was the only time you
Speaker 1: ever spend time around Muslims, you would think all Muslim women.
Speaker 2: Wear black, Okay, But but.
Speaker 1: If you went to a Sambol, right, then you would
Speaker 1: see that Muslim women wear all kinds of colors.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: So depending on where you are, yes, there are differences
Speaker 1: in variations, but there but there's a basic there's a
Speaker 1: basic belief that is that it is the same across
Speaker 1: the board. And let me just tell you guys, this
Speaker 1: is the singular most powerful moment of my life. Okay,
Speaker 1: this was the singular most powerful moment of my life
Speaker 1: as it pertains to believe in connection with God.
Speaker 3: Right, so we went to Mecca.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 3: The mosque in Mecca is called Masja.
Speaker 1: Haram, right, and it holds at capacity two point five
Speaker 1: million people. Who I said that five massjed Haram massed
Speaker 1: Haram is. You've probably seen it in photographs. In the
Speaker 1: center of Mashya Haram is the kaba. The kaba is
Speaker 1: a black building covered it's covered in a black draping
Speaker 1: and it's a little black square. And you've seen this.
Speaker 1: You probably see if you've ever seen pictures of what
Speaker 1: people might say is hodge or what you see people
Speaker 1: circle it, right, So Muslims pray in the direction of
Speaker 1: the Kaba. So everywhere you go in the world, when
Speaker 1: a Muslim praise, they will find the direction towards the Kaba.
Speaker 1: The Kaba is located in this mostuat, so everybody prays
Speaker 1: in the direction of this one spot.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 1: Now I'm gonna tell you guys a little quick thing
Speaker 1: about the Kaba. And again, I know people of all
Speaker 1: kinds of faith listen to this podcast. This is not
Speaker 1: in any way to start debates about religion. So just
Speaker 1: just put that there. The Kaba is in in Islamic belief,
Speaker 1: believed to be the spot in place where Abraham and
Speaker 1: his son Ishmael built the first place of worship to
Speaker 1: a singular God.
Speaker 3: So Muslims are.
Speaker 2: Not praying to the Kaba.
Speaker 3: They're praying in the direction of the first place of worship. Okay,
Speaker 3: So in essence, they're playing praying in the Kaba, you
Speaker 3: feel me.
Speaker 1: And so this thing that this place that I've seen
Speaker 1: people pray towards for twenty plus years, right, that I've
Speaker 1: prayed towards for twenty plus years. I was standing there
Speaker 1: looking at it. Okay, mind you, mind you, two point
Speaker 1: five million people can fit in this myshit.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: So we went into that mos two times the time
Speaker 1: that I was in Mecca. Okay, the second time. The
Speaker 1: first time we went we went to perform umra, which
Speaker 1: is something separate, right, That's that was the pilgrimage.
Speaker 3: We went to perform umer, which I can explain later
Speaker 3: if you want me to.
Speaker 1: But what I want to explain to you is two
Speaker 1: days after we perform umer when we went there just
Speaker 1: for prayer time. We went there for prayer time in
Speaker 1: late afternoon prayer, which is called aser. We went there
Speaker 1: to pray aser. And I need you guys to understand
Speaker 1: what it felt like to be in a place where
Speaker 1: two point five million people can be on the bottom floor,
Speaker 1: where there are several hundred thousand people, and all of
Speaker 1: those people performed the exact same prayer at the exact
Speaker 1: same time in silence.
Speaker 2: What did you feel like? What did you feel like?
Speaker 5: Ag? What did you feel?
Speaker 3: Have never witnessed and are participated in a thing like that?
Speaker 1: In my life?
Speaker 3: I wish I had beautiful words. I wish I had beautiful.
Speaker 1: Words, but I can only say at past there is
Speaker 1: there is a very collective peace where and mind you know,
Speaker 1: the floor is marble, it's white marble. To put my
Speaker 1: forehead down on that white marble floor, no rug, no nothing,
Speaker 1: and all of us are head down. All of us
Speaker 1: have decided and understood in the collective moment that there
Speaker 1: is a power bigger than ourselves, that creation has happened,
Speaker 1: and that we are the product of creation. We are
Speaker 1: the product of a perfect love. There isn't anything like that.
Speaker 1: You want to take a moment and shuck whatever thoughts
Speaker 1: you have about the validity of other people's belief for
Speaker 1: what ugly things you've seen human beings do, or anything
Speaker 1: that any kind of like hypocritical behavior that you've witnessed
Speaker 1: other humans do, and think about a moment in time
Speaker 1: where people can collectively be at peace and in worship,
Speaker 1: in silence, in silence to get birds chirping.
Speaker 3: You can literally hear birds chirping a.
Speaker 1: Hundred and I say, a hundred thousand people, hundreds of
Speaker 1: thousands of people, my love I see in this moment.
Speaker 4: It's crazy because in this country that that happens in
Speaker 4: very selective times.
Speaker 2: And I was just thinking, like.
Speaker 4: The last time I felt that was standing in a
Speaker 4: millionaire march or something like that, where somebody was doing
Speaker 4: a prayer and a million you know.
Speaker 1: Like the scale to which the scale to which I
Speaker 1: am talking about never there is an comparison. I just
Speaker 1: and I'm not saying that. I'm not saying that from
Speaker 1: the arrogance of belief. No, I'm saying the scale of
Speaker 1: this is not a thing that you've experienced or that
Speaker 1: you've seen before. The scale is much bigger than anything
Speaker 1: you could imagine, even the building itself, the structure itself.
Speaker 3: You think about what building looks like this, There isn't
Speaker 3: one two point five.
Speaker 1: There is a million million, a city, a city and
Speaker 1: a lot of stadiums.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've been in a lot of stadiums in my life.
Speaker 4: I'm embarrassed to mention the main man margins. I'm like,
Speaker 4: that's just a million. That's just a million people in
Speaker 4: that place was crowded. So you know, even if you
Speaker 4: think about like that outdoor space of that, that's half
Speaker 4: the size of what you're saying.
Speaker 3: The outside and people pray outside of it.
Speaker 1: So there's the outside too, there's it goes three levels
Speaker 1: up and the people that pray on the rooftop part.
Speaker 3: Of it too.
Speaker 1: So there's just it's it is. It is an amazing
Speaker 1: kind of experience. But more than anything, what it shows
Speaker 1: you is a humanity that people have that is possible.
Speaker 3: And needed to carry this however, it's unbelievable.
Speaker 2: I feel like we all get to carry it like
Speaker 2: you do. I do right now. I feel like, like,
Speaker 2: how else will we.
Speaker 3: Know if someone, if nobody.
Speaker 2: Tells you that something like this even exists, how would
Speaker 2: we even know? And this and I feel so fortified
Speaker 2: with hope right now. Thank you. I'm trying not.
Speaker 1: To let it go go Leah, don't you know. And
Speaker 1: that's the thing, like we chow oh girl. We have
Speaker 1: so many things that keep us from a I don't know,
Speaker 1: just a common kind of sense of connection.
Speaker 3: Yeah, any things that keep us from that.
Speaker 1: And to know things is possible really, like you said,
Speaker 1: it's almost like that is the thing. To know a
Speaker 1: thing is possible, even the ugliness of the world, you know,
Speaker 1: because Saudi Arabia, come on, as a country, we already
Speaker 1: know there's some things. Unsavory things happen everywhere, and every
Speaker 1: government and every society, you know, all of these things happen,
Speaker 1: you know, but also this happens too.
Speaker 3: Also, this happens too.
Speaker 5: And often, right, that's crazy, and often.
Speaker 1: Every day every day, girl, there's five prayers a day
Speaker 1: every day, that.
Speaker 2: Many people every day. I'm not saying at least.
Speaker 1: At least they're not at capacity, Yeah, they're not at capacity. Whatever,
Speaker 1: hundreds of thousands of people every day. If you woke up,
Speaker 1: if we were in Saudi right now, it is right
Speaker 1: now currently one thirty five, you know PM, in a
Speaker 1: couple of hours, we could all just go we could
Speaker 1: all go over there and pray together today.
Speaker 2: You know, got to hear the humanity in that. Oh
Speaker 2: my god, that is so exciting, so hopeful.
Speaker 1: What's interesting too is to watch people in their experiences, right,
Speaker 1: because everybody's having coming from a different place in the world.
Speaker 1: And so I'll circle back to when we actually performed Umer.
Speaker 1: So one of the big parts of performing Umer's two parts.
Speaker 1: One part is where you circle around the coba seven
Speaker 1: times called Tuwaff's right, So let me say that that's
Speaker 1: what the circle is, called a tawaff. So you make
Speaker 1: that circle seven times, right.
Speaker 3: If you've seen photographs or video, you see tons of
Speaker 3: people making a circle. And the way that I look
Speaker 3: at it is it feels like a school of fish.
Speaker 3: You watch school of fish move you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Together?
Speaker 1: If you yeah, if you lock into the rhythm, right,
Speaker 1: it can be a very peaceful movement.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: But then also too, there are other people whose energy
Speaker 1: is full of anxiety and overwhelming.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: It's like if you go to church, right, and there's
Speaker 1: some people in their chair rocking back and forth, and
Speaker 1: there's some people who are shouting and falling out on
Speaker 1: the ground.
Speaker 3: It no different.
Speaker 1: You have some people have a very settled spirit and
Speaker 1: some people have a very big and overwhelmed kind of spirit.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: Wait, wait, are they humming or singing or saying the
Speaker 2: prayer or is it sign.
Speaker 1: That usually people are like praying out loud but not
Speaker 1: you know, some people are loud, some people are not.
Speaker 1: But the general vibe is rather subdued and quiet, right, generally,
Speaker 1: But that doesn't mean that everybody is good.
Speaker 2: I already know it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's the thing you could There actually isn't
Speaker 1: a prescribed prayer. You can say whatever you want during
Speaker 1: this time period, So there isn't a prescribe. You say
Speaker 1: whatever personal prayers you want when you turn around it
Speaker 1: right there, if you lock into the rhythm of it
Speaker 1: right and there's nobody, and sometimes you have groups that
Speaker 1: might come in and they're a little bit more fast
Speaker 1: and they're pushing, and it could be it could turn,
Speaker 1: it could shift the peaceful energy right, because that happens too,
Speaker 1: So I think it's important to talk about both sides.
Speaker 1: But if you lock into that peaceful energy, you can
Speaker 1: kind of know when to slow down, let people pass
Speaker 1: do their thing, and you just keep going. And as
Speaker 1: we were turning around, we had no intentions of actually
Speaker 1: getting close to the car. But honestly, I always thought
Speaker 1: to myself, like all them people, we ain't never gonna
Speaker 1: get close to it. And we went in there. We
Speaker 1: did one circle, we did two. There's eleven of us.
Speaker 1: We stayed tight. We were locked in arms, just so
Speaker 1: that we wouldn't lose each other, because you're talking about
Speaker 1: hundreds of thousand people, thousands of people moving. You don't
Speaker 1: want to lose nobody. We had elders with us. We
Speaker 1: didn't want them to get tired, fall, trip, anything like that,
Speaker 1: so we had to be information. We turned around, go
Speaker 1: around the first time, go around the second time, second
Speaker 1: time we went around, I looked up to my left.
Speaker 1: I was like, wait a minute, we are very close
Speaker 1: to the cobba. We went around the third time, and y'all,
Speaker 1: before I knew it, my husband had made My husband
Speaker 1: was in the front. He made a bee line to
Speaker 1: the left, kind of leading the group, and then we
Speaker 1: went to the left and child, we were literally right
Speaker 1: next to it and right in front. And so it
Speaker 1: was interesting because this thing, this moment, this space that
Speaker 1: we were in, right, there's all these people in here,
Speaker 1: right and these people every day, thousands and thousands, hundreds
Speaker 1: and thousands of people are in here, and they'll never
Speaker 1: actually get close to this thing. And so for some
Speaker 1: reason it was meant that we would be in that
Speaker 1: space and time, and all eleven of us were able
Speaker 1: to stand there and make our prayers. But the beautiful
Speaker 1: part for me was my mother in law fifty years
Speaker 1: as a Muslim, she lives in America.
Speaker 3: She's done very little traveling. She's been a few places,
Speaker 3: but done very little traveling. Here she was standing there
Speaker 3: in the place of the direction she's prayed for fifty years,
Speaker 3: at the spot for her very sacred place for her
Speaker 3: as a believer, and watching her have that moment was
Speaker 3: really just like an honor of my life. To be honest,
Speaker 3: I won't even.
Speaker 2: Lie to you.
Speaker 1: She's standing there and at one point there are lots
Speaker 1: of people standing in front of her, and she was
Speaker 1: kind of just out of reach of it, so I
Speaker 1: know she wanted to touch it, but she's just out
Speaker 1: of reach. And all these people were there and they're
Speaker 1: not paying any attention to you because they're like, this
Speaker 1: is my moment, so they're not really paying attention to
Speaker 1: what you're doing, you know, praying and doing their thing.
Speaker 1: There was a woman who said her prayers and as
Speaker 1: she moved out of her spot right and mind you,
Speaker 1: so many people one spot opens up. It feels right away,
Speaker 1: you understand I'm saying, she moved away, and as she
Speaker 1: moved away out of her spot, she grabbed my mother
Speaker 1: in law and placed my mother in law in the
Speaker 1: spot where she was. And this was like such a
Speaker 1: gracious moment for me to witness around so many people.
Speaker 3: And as my mother in law put her hand up
Speaker 3: on to touch the kaba.
Speaker 1: Now, mind you, I was kind of like I had
Speaker 1: my prayers just written on my phone, but I have
Speaker 1: my phone in my hand, I wasn't taking any pictures
Speaker 1: or anything at that moment. And then my sister in
Speaker 1: law turned around and said, age, please take this picture.
Speaker 1: And I just had my phone in my hand, and
Speaker 1: I lifted up and took the picture, and I was
Speaker 1: able to capture the moment of my mother in law
Speaker 1: making her prayers with her hand on the kaba. And
Speaker 1: the thing that's so powerful about this moment we talked
Speaker 1: about black women. My father in law, her husband, her
Speaker 1: former husband, had made hodge. He was the head of
Speaker 1: their family. He had, you know, implemented this belief in
Speaker 1: all his children. We talked about him a lot on
Speaker 1: the trip, right. But my mother in law, my mother
Speaker 1: in law, has been the pillar of this family. She
Speaker 1: has been the person that has held this family together
Speaker 1: through a number of losses, a number of triumphs. She
Speaker 1: has been the consistent love to these grandchildren. She has
Speaker 1: been the person. It is her kindness, it is her love,
Speaker 1: It is her ability to stand in her own truth,
Speaker 1: which is the reason why the family that I have
Speaker 1: been married into is as strong as it is. She
Speaker 1: is that reason to watch her be the first of
Speaker 1: the eleven of us to touch the co but to
Speaker 1: be in that space to watch her make her prayers,
Speaker 1: knowing all of you, knowing for that who was in
Speaker 1: those prayers and who has been in her prayers for
Speaker 1: this for for decades. Was a powerful moment. It showed you.
Speaker 1: It was it was, It was an example. It was
Speaker 1: a conversation that God was having with us.
Speaker 2: Feel like a Bookie to me, I feel like you
Speaker 2: got to book you liked you.
Speaker 3: I told you, I loved you.
Speaker 2: I told you the whole time, I showed you.
Speaker 3: I loved you.
Speaker 2: I showed you.
Speaker 3: I told you, Bookie.
Speaker 2: And the fruition is so much greater than you could
Speaker 2: ever ever ever imagine.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all of you gorgeous, Look how easy all so easy?
Speaker 3: Y'all easy easy?
Speaker 4: And what does she say? Can you tell us? What
Speaker 4: does she say? Like after this experience, like y'all got it.
Speaker 4: When y'all finally got a chance to breathe and talk
Speaker 4: about it a lot, she she cried a.
Speaker 7: Lot more conversation after the break.
Speaker 5: I myself am glad that you went back.
Speaker 4: I think that that was what the greatest part of
Speaker 4: this whole experience, that.
Speaker 2: You went second.
Speaker 3: It was your ma'am.
Speaker 4: It was And I just want to say that when
Speaker 4: I do say what I did.
Speaker 5: I would just like it to be a to be
Speaker 5: continued because.
Speaker 4: It's a whole other topic and definitely not in the
Speaker 4: space of the beautiful, holy richness that Agia had experienced.
Speaker 4: But it is something that doesn't need to be verst about.
Speaker 4: So I'm so serious setting you off.
Speaker 2: I said the word, to say the word, I'll cut
Speaker 2: you off. I'll get you say the word. You'll say,
Speaker 2: I say you respect.
Speaker 5: Yes, I just heard about that. Yes, okay, respect, ma'am,
Speaker 5: thank you, mm hmm.
Speaker 2: This whole time, we've been three different people, this whole time,
Speaker 2: three different lives, sharing our lives with each other, this
Speaker 2: whole thing. Yes, this, this whole ship. Every single one
Speaker 2: of us has added to the stew that is us.
Speaker 5: Yes, that's true, and about I will add, I will add.
Speaker 5: But what I'm I guarantee.
Speaker 2: You I'm not saying this.
Speaker 4: I'm saying this is another conversation that we will all
Speaker 4: want to have separate day. I will say the word,
Speaker 4: and you will be like, and you will be like, okay,
Speaker 4: like you're right to be continued sen the word perriman
Speaker 4: boss baby.
Speaker 1: Actually, yeah, no, we can start it right now, ma'am.
Speaker 3: We can start it and continue, because yes, you.
Speaker 2: Want to know what I've been doing. I've been sweating, bitch.
Speaker 3: I've been sweating, bitch.
Speaker 4: I would like to say it averages about two two
Speaker 4: times an hour.
Speaker 2: Okay, let me say I've been losing.
Speaker 5: I don't think I've.
Speaker 2: Lost four pounds in water weight.
Speaker 3: I don't know if you really do on you list?
Speaker 2: Okay, and oh.
Speaker 5: Wait, what I tell y'all?
Speaker 4: The denial was so deep, the denial, I said.
Speaker 5: I sent the email to my doctor.
Speaker 4: I said, listen, you told me last year I wasn't perimenopausal.
Speaker 2: I took your.
Speaker 5: Word for a doctor.
Speaker 2: I said, but I've been sweating. I've been sweating.
Speaker 5: She emailed me back.
Speaker 2: She says, sound like I'm from Oh you know what
Speaker 2: I mean. But I heard it. I had.
Speaker 3: I had an episode on First Wives Club.
Speaker 2: I'm on B E T.
Speaker 3: And show Time and oh.
Speaker 2: Yes, my, my, my character Hazel had perimenopause. That was
Speaker 2: the first time I heard of it. So I'm trying
Speaker 2: to do I'm trying to do right. Okay, somebody going in, Jill,
Speaker 2: I don't know, but yeah, so okay, so that's what
Speaker 2: I was doing as well.
Speaker 4: So yeah, what I do know is, Jill, is that
Speaker 4: my birthday was in January and the last time I
Speaker 4: was on my period.
Speaker 5: Was in February.
Speaker 4: So it's literally like and I should as in this
Speaker 4: today of this recording people it's apral, So it's literally
Speaker 4: like I turn fast, I turned the faux five and
Speaker 4: my body went, yes, bitch, you turned the faux five.
Speaker 4: Changes are coming, and so that's it's been an interesting
Speaker 4: ride and so lately a lot of people, even from
Speaker 4: Oprah to Drew Barrymore. I'm very exciting you guys because
Speaker 4: much like.
Speaker 5: The period, I do believe Perry, menopause is going to
Speaker 5: be the next thing that women are really talking about.
Speaker 3: Because you know it can last, it can last for
Speaker 3: a while.
Speaker 1: Because you might actually get a period again this year,
Speaker 1: but they're saying that you're not.
Speaker 3: Actually Minopause is not over.
Speaker 1: Until you haven't had a period for a full year,
Speaker 1: so you can go back and forth.
Speaker 2: I think I've been in perimenopause since I was thirty three, So.
Speaker 4: I thought so too, Jill, because I was sweat quite often.
Speaker 4: Is that why you talk so too? Just because it
Speaker 4: was a square of other reasons.
Speaker 2: I don't get cycles. I didn't get cycles for a long, long,
Speaker 2: long time long.
Speaker 4: It's interesting because and the thing about the Perry is
Speaker 4: it's like you can still get get Some babies are
Speaker 4: made in this process because you don't know when your
Speaker 4: period is coming and whatnot, so you don't know when.
Speaker 3: I never have not the whole time, the whole time.
Speaker 2: So I literally think I've been perimenopausal since I got
Speaker 2: my period back when I was thirty three. It stopped
Speaker 2: when I was fourteen and a half and didn't come
Speaker 2: back until I was thirty three.
Speaker 4: But see, yeah, because you already had things, but you
Speaker 4: didn't have anything else but.
Speaker 3: That I had things things.
Speaker 2: No, that's I had asked God to take it away
Speaker 2: because I was like, this hurts and I don't like
Speaker 2: I don't like how it smells. I don't like this business.
Speaker 2: I don't like none of this and it hurts, sound hurts,
Speaker 2: Like take this away from me and bring it back
Speaker 2: when you're ready for me to have a baby.
Speaker 5: Don't even get me sweat about that.
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't know it went on that, it
Speaker 2: went away for years. It was a it was beautiful.
Speaker 2: I mean I didn't think it was beautiful at the time,
Speaker 2: but it went away from fourteen and a half to
Speaker 2: thirty three, And interestingly enough, the night that it came back,
Speaker 2: I was in London and I got I opened my
Speaker 2: email and it said that I was officially divorced, and
Speaker 2: I cried like a baby and I got my mother,
Speaker 2: fucking wow wow.
Speaker 4: And then it just stayed with you, and it just
Speaker 4: stayed every mom I love that shit.
Speaker 2: And then I then I had a period, and then
Speaker 2: later I had a baby.
Speaker 4: Yeah, said yeah, you might be unicorn.
Speaker 2: On and then and then even now it comes and
Speaker 2: then sometimes.
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't think.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's not really a common thing, but it
Speaker 1: may be more common than we think.
Speaker 3: That's the thing.
Speaker 1: I don't think that that's specifically common, but it's more
Speaker 1: common than you think. I think people don't talk enough
Speaker 1: about that.
Speaker 3: Women.
Speaker 1: Many women at their regular periods their whole life, and
Speaker 1: many women have always had it irregular period.
Speaker 3: Some people have a period.
Speaker 1: And don't have it for months and months and months
Speaker 1: and months, and that all think. So I think that
Speaker 1: happens way more often than we probably talk about. I
Speaker 1: think we don't know a lot about women's cycles, and
Speaker 1: I think there's so little researching.
Speaker 2: We're just starting. It's probably why. As soon as forty
Speaker 2: five came, all of a sudden, I had a whole
Speaker 2: bunch of hairs on my chin, and I was like,
Speaker 2: who are you?
Speaker 3: Who is this man laying across my tin upside down?
Speaker 2: Like what is going on?
Speaker 1: I had a little I had a little one too.
Speaker 1: I got a little a little tinly regularly little one
Speaker 1: little hair too. I was she was, she was cracking
Speaker 1: me up. I said, oh, I'm a pull you sis.
Speaker 1: I don't care what they say. They say three more
Speaker 1: grow back.
Speaker 2: But I think that's a part of this whole perimental
Speaker 2: pause thing that I've been here ever since I was
Speaker 2: thirty three. I didn't diagnose myself. Okay, now I just
Speaker 2: don't sweat yet, bless you.
Speaker 5: Darling, because the sweating is like this next level, And.
Speaker 4: I think the main reason we need to talk about
Speaker 4: it more is so that you can feel comfortable in
Speaker 4: your sweat, so that people around you don't feel uncomfortable,
Speaker 4: so that you because it's really a moment of like uncontrolled, it's.
Speaker 5: Something that you really can't control.
Speaker 4: And then after you sweat, then comes the cold because
Speaker 4: guess what now you wet? Oh, it's a And I
Speaker 4: realized it's also payback because my mom reminded me. She said,
Speaker 4: you know, and there's a thing where people say you
Speaker 4: should add you know, you should find out what your
Speaker 4: mother's menopause story is because that yours will probably mimic it, which.
Speaker 5: My mom says to me.
Speaker 4: Things started forty five, she said, But I also remember
Speaker 4: my sweats and you being the one to be.
Speaker 2: Like, Mammy, you need, you need, you need a towel.
Speaker 5: Mammy is sweating, Mammy, you need something, Mommy, mommy, and
Speaker 5: I sold.
Speaker 4: Now I'm saying, is this the motherfucking payback as well?
Speaker 2: Am I? So?
Speaker 4: I just got me some uh it was called estivent people,
Speaker 4: the holistic stuff that it may take twenty something days.
Speaker 3: Are you having any changes in like your mood or anything?
Speaker 3: Is it just as small?
Speaker 5: Now?
Speaker 4: I'm hoping it's just a sweating y'all know, I'm like
Speaker 4: super conscious of my moods, so I don't think so
Speaker 4: I have to ask other people around here.
Speaker 2: Sorry, Now you remember how Deanna, the fantastic and amazing
Speaker 2: Deanna Williams always carried a gorgeous fan.
Speaker 4: Now only do I have a class. But it's funny
Speaker 4: you mentioned Deanna because she also reminded me.
Speaker 5: She said, do you remember when I was your age
Speaker 5: and how I was a super bitch?
Speaker 4: And I said, Yo, it was like so many.
Speaker 2: Things came together.
Speaker 4: I was like, Yo, So now I'm real conscious because
Speaker 4: and not just because of her, but.
Speaker 5: Because I heard these things. I just I cannot. I
Speaker 5: can't become a super bitch. I don't even know what
Speaker 5: that looks like with me, y'all.
Speaker 2: I'm scared of being real conscious of that, which is tiring.
Speaker 4: Because you're always checking yourself, checking your responses for you
Speaker 4: say your responses, and then you start sweating because you
Speaker 4: get nervous because.
Speaker 2: Okay, maybe we could rename bitch because it looked like
Speaker 2: it's gonna be what it is.
Speaker 5: This is what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: It looks like it's gonna be what it is.
Speaker 2: To deserve it, it's like, take that name off of
Speaker 2: it and put something else, something you like, something that
Speaker 2: makes sense for this, because you're not mean, You're not nasty.
Speaker 2: Bitches are mean and nasty, and that ain't it. Ain't
Speaker 2: give zero fucks about ship.
Speaker 5: That's not mean neither though, that's not me neither. So
Speaker 5: that's like, that's it.
Speaker 4: That's it could I'm meditating more and often and whatnot.
Speaker 4: That's what I'm trying my meditation.
Speaker 3: You're just more direct.
Speaker 5: If I don't know what this version is age, that's
Speaker 5: what you know of me.
Speaker 3: You're like this new version.
Speaker 2: I think this new version a deeper voice. It's what
Speaker 2: you know, what you know? Maybe maybe she jiggles a
Speaker 2: little more. I don't know, she's a little bit this thing.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm like, Maybe you defind this thing
Speaker 2: instead of.
Speaker 5: As long as they don't dry up. As long as
Speaker 5: they don't dry.
Speaker 2: Up behind the dry Thank you say it again, Jim. Watery, juicy,
Speaker 2: juicy delivery, workful andful waterfall rainbow speaks.
Speaker 1: You speak moisture into your life, ma'am.
Speaker 5: A girl has a reputation.
Speaker 2: Oh now, a girl is news new, brand new.
Speaker 3: If you will.
Speaker 2: Transformed, what experiences?
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I'm trying to participant. Jill's better at this,
Speaker 1: at this type of thing.
Speaker 2: You were, you were, you know the words. Sometimes sometimes girl,
Speaker 2: we're doing good.
Speaker 3: We're doing good, We're doing good. Come on, you gotta.
Speaker 2: Feeling life to.
Speaker 3: Life, life into her life and to the peace we speaking.
Speaker 2: There ain't nobody to be pretending to be shipped staying
Speaker 2: in the hot. I know it hasn't happened to me yet,
Speaker 2: but I've been on stage and had water pouring down
Speaker 2: my under my titties, okay, just all all in.
Speaker 3: My feet, just all of it.
Speaker 2: Just I've being on stage just the only thing I
Speaker 2: could equate it to. And I was pregnant in but
Speaker 2: Twana in the sun with a fat suit on.
Speaker 1: I've I've experienced the heat though, like the you have
Speaker 1: the summers what they call personal person like, are you
Speaker 1: having a personal summer?
Speaker 4: I hate when the elders ask who already been doing it,
Speaker 4: like ten ten years before, you.
Speaker 5: Know, oh didd are you having a personal summer? But so, Asia,
Speaker 5: You've been having some some personal summers. Does it start
Speaker 5: from the head? Is your Does it start from the head?
Speaker 2: Is it?
Speaker 4: Because it usually minds it is from the head, which
Speaker 4: is an interesting.
Speaker 3: It starts in my head.
Speaker 1: And definitely I felt like that that like I got
Speaker 1: to kick all the covers off a night, like kick
Speaker 1: everything off.
Speaker 3: Okay, I'm having that, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, yeah.
Speaker 4: You start when you start with one leg out and
Speaker 4: then eventually it's just like and you start with pajamas
Speaker 4: or maybe a nice night.
Speaker 5: Then you really start going, why am I wearing us?
Speaker 5: Just wear you?
Speaker 2: Just wear your draw So far, just it's it's pajamas
Speaker 2: with a gentle fan.
Speaker 3: I'm enjoying doing it this good.
Speaker 2: I'm enjoying fabrics them to pajama and and and a fan,
Speaker 2: a light fan.
Speaker 4: The window is open and the fan is on high, honey.
Speaker 5: And it is forty degrees outside around here. Wow.
Speaker 3: No, I was getting the little warm ups my homeboys.
Speaker 2: And he when he come home with his wife, he
Speaker 2: got to put on the coat. Please.
Speaker 4: You know, that's why look shouts to the partners that
Speaker 4: get it. I just want to say, min he he's
Speaker 4: been real sweet and patient and sweet about it.
Speaker 1: So it's I mean, it's the reality of life, you know.
Speaker 1: It's it's the thanks just what happens, you know, thank you.
Speaker 5: It is. But it's just one of the ones. We
Speaker 5: don't really leave blessing it up about too much. We
Speaker 5: haven't been thus far.
Speaker 3: We don't know a lot yet. We don't know a
Speaker 3: lot about it. We don't.
Speaker 5: We thought I'm like I thought, I'm young.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Everything that you've heard thus far today has been an
Speaker 2: example of life. This thing we live in this thing
Speaker 2: is and when we follow our paths in our wholeness
Speaker 2: and our sincerity, the benefits what we reap is worth
Speaker 2: the living in your sincerity.
Speaker 3: Come on, it's worth it.
Speaker 5: That's your mother in law. She been through what I've
Speaker 5: been through, and then she.
Speaker 3: Preach child present.
Speaker 2: And Amen. Thank you so much for listening to j
Speaker 2: dot L the podcast. Talk to you later. How do
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Speaker 8: Hey, y'all, it's Airnberg, the producer here.
Speaker 3: We missed y'all for real.
Speaker 8: We are so excited to be back and sharing this
Speaker 8: podcast with you. This episode left me so inspired and
Speaker 8: just just blessed. I want to leave you with a
Speaker 8: couple resources from the things we talked about today. First up,
Speaker 8: there is still a time to see Joe on tour.
Speaker 8: I'll leave a link in the show notes for tickets.
Speaker 8: And if you're interested in learning more about taking a
Speaker 8: pilgrimage and planning your own, whether that's tied to a
Speaker 8: certain faith or not, I want to leave you with
Speaker 8: a resource from a website called a Sacred Journey. They
Speaker 8: lay out all the things you need to consider when
Speaker 8: thinking about taking a pilgrimage. In last but not least
Speaker 8: did any of you relate to Laia's journey with perimenopause.
Speaker 8: I am leaving you with an article from Nam's The
Speaker 8: North American Menopause Society that literally breaks down menopause one
Speaker 8: on one, what's happening to your body, what to expect
Speaker 8: in perimenopause, what to expect in the full minopause transition.
Speaker 2: But we will have an.
Speaker 8: Episode later this season that dives deep into this topic.
Speaker 3: Take care, y'all.
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