Speaker 1: Hey, everyone, welcome to the Fantasy Pros Dynasty Podcast. I'm
Speaker 1: Pat fitz Morris. Find me on Twitter at fits underscore FF,
Speaker 1: and my co host Scott Bogman has abandoned me this week.
Speaker 1: Bogman is sunning himself down in Arizona. So I am
Speaker 1: sliding over from the passenger seat grabbing the steering wheel.
Speaker 1: And our topic today is twenty Dynasty trade candidates buy
Speaker 1: or sell. Oh wow, this should be a good show.
Speaker 1: And because I second matth, you might even get a
Speaker 1: bonus Dynasty trade candidate out of this. So one of
Speaker 1: my guests comes to you from a faraway land of
Speaker 1: castles and kings and crumpets. It's Tom Strachan. We're very
Speaker 1: fortunate to have Tom on the Fantasy Pros team. He
Speaker 1: also co hosts the Fantasy Sanctuary. You can find him
Speaker 1: on Twitter at NFL underscore t Strack. Welcome, Tom. It's
Speaker 1: great to see you again. Now I know you're an
Speaker 1: American football guy. Now we Yanks have completely corrupted you.
Speaker 1: But do you support a particular club in the Premier League? Well,
Speaker 1: these days I don't follow it whatsoever. Back when I
Speaker 1: first got into the NFL, I mean I was playing
Speaker 1: football three four days a week playing soccer. Even I
Speaker 1: was watching spending my weekends watching soccer all the time
Speaker 1: through still Sunday evening when then you'd flip over to
Speaker 1: watch the NFL. But now I'm just I'm a one
Speaker 1: sport guy, all in on the NFL, and this just
Speaker 1: consumes everything about me when I'm not doing my day job.
Speaker 1: Oh that's good. I love it when we steal Englishmen
Speaker 1: away from their you know, native sport. So we have
Speaker 1: our import with Tom and we also have an outstanding
Speaker 1: domestic option with Jack Falcone. He is the very least
Speaker 1: droppable of the Undroppables, which you can confirm for yourself
Speaker 1: if you visit the Undroppables dot com. Jacks is also
Speaker 1: the host of The Undrafted and you can find him
Speaker 1: on Twitter at Dino Game Theory. Jack's your Twitter avatar
Speaker 1: is one of my favorite movie characters of all time.
Speaker 1: It's Leon, aka the professional, the hit man with the
Speaker 1: heart of gold, who very nearly pulled off the greatest
Speaker 1: escape in cinematic history. Welcome Jack's Why is Leon your avatar?
Speaker 1: I mean what you just said, you just nailed it.
Speaker 1: My goodness, that was fantastic. That's exactly who he is,
Speaker 1: and that's exactly why. I mean, he's the the simple
Speaker 1: assassin with a heart of gold. And that movie. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, I think we're maybe the same age, are you?
Speaker 1: Are you over twenty five years old by chance? Maybe
Speaker 1: just a little bit, yes, potentially, So you know, we
Speaker 1: come from that same generation. That was a great movie
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, it was a little bit shocking,
Speaker 1: and I just fell in love with Genrenau in that
Speaker 1: in that film. And you know, it's a pretty cool
Speaker 1: looking avatar. I think I threw it up once and again.
Speaker 1: Some things just stick, just like the Moniker. Yeah exactly,
Speaker 1: and uh exactly, it's Leon the professional. If you haven't
Speaker 1: seen that, you so good do it. It's a class
Speaker 1: all right, Yeah, very young Natalie Portman. Uh you know,
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Speaker 1: Let's get into these buys or cells. Jack's you're up first.
Speaker 1: Who's your number one player? Well, I'll take the one
Speaker 1: that you and I both had, and I said you
Speaker 1: couldn't steal him from me, and somehow you just gave
Speaker 1: me eight and you took six of these guys or whatever.
Speaker 1: But cam Akers, you know, um, I think you know
Speaker 1: tail as old as time. Every every summer we talk
Speaker 1: about how cam Akers has a chance to be somebody,
Speaker 1: and who knows, he's he's burned us, he's been up
Speaker 1: and down. But you know, I think that right now,
Speaker 1: he you know, looks like he's going to be the
Speaker 1: lead back of a of a very bad offense. But
Speaker 1: I don't care what kind of offense it is. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, his opportunity share for the end of last
Speaker 1: year was huge, so if he can just sort of
Speaker 1: translate that and and be a lead back. You know,
Speaker 1: at his current cost, I think he's an absolute buy.
Speaker 1: Yet now, I know the Rams do not have the
Speaker 1: sort of draft capital where they are going to splurge
Speaker 1: on one of the top running backs in this class,
Speaker 1: But do you have any concerns? I think the Rams
Speaker 1: have maybe eleven picks overall in the draft and a
Speaker 1: bunch of Day three picks. Um, would you have any
Speaker 1: concerns if they took h you know, someone laid like
Speaker 1: a Dwayne mcpar ey'd or a Seaun Tucker someone on
Speaker 1: Day three or just add pretty much like they're gonna
Speaker 1: take someone. I mean, they need to fill out that
Speaker 1: running back room a little bit. Kyrn Williams is about
Speaker 1: all they have, But I don't know, would you be
Speaker 1: scared if they spend another peck on a running back? Yeah, totally.
Speaker 1: I mean, but I think that's everybody, you know, whether
Speaker 1: it's you know, up to JK. Dobbins or Shod White.
Speaker 1: Even Romandre Stevenson is like a little bit like scary
Speaker 1: right now. I mean, there's a lot of bijon to
Speaker 1: New England in the first round, so even some of
Speaker 1: the very very top guys. You know, in terms of
Speaker 1: like top twelve, dynasty running backs are in a little
Speaker 1: bit of a tepid situation. You know, it's really only
Speaker 1: the maybe the top five or ten. You know, dynasty
Speaker 1: running backs are in a secure spot. So yeah, there's
Speaker 1: definitely concern, But I think his price is what is
Speaker 1: making him a buy. Yeah, he's got that upside. But
Speaker 1: at the same time, you know, you can probably sell
Speaker 1: down from one of the other fragile running backs two
Speaker 1: acres plus profit, and who knows, you may end up
Speaker 1: with the better You may end up with a better
Speaker 1: running back outright, plus the pick very good tag. I
Speaker 1: totally agree. And man, I was really on board with
Speaker 1: Acres at this time last year, and then it was
Speaker 1: quite the story arc. It was a little bit alarming,
Speaker 1: assuming that Thursday night opener not playing at all and
Speaker 1: being totally shoved aside in favor of Darryl Henderson. But man,
Speaker 1: down the stretch he was just fantastic. Are you on
Speaker 1: board with Acres as a bye top Well, generally speaking,
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not looking to buy him many running
Speaker 1: backs at this time of year. I think, you know,
Speaker 1: it's a really you know, obviously different teams in different
Speaker 1: situations dictate things, really, but I agree completely. But I
Speaker 1: don't think the Realms are going to be spending a
Speaker 1: lot of draft capital on him. I think they're a
Speaker 1: smart team, and I think that they're very aware they
Speaker 1: need to be put in most of their resources into
Speaker 1: the offensive line if they're really gonna be a better
Speaker 1: offense this year. So I'm much more If anything, I
Speaker 1: think we could see improvement from Acres because he's going
Speaker 1: to be running behind a better line this year. Very fair,
Speaker 1: All right, who's your first player, tom So? First off,
Speaker 1: I'm going to go with George Kittle as a cell.
Speaker 1: I think he's one of the easiest fades for me
Speaker 1: this year. Like, he had eleven touchdowns last year, which
Speaker 1: were career high, but he had the second highest touchdown
Speaker 1: rate of any tight end with fifty or more targets,
Speaker 1: and so, like you know, in basic terms, a lot
Speaker 1: of his catches would turn me into touchdowns. But in
Speaker 1: the eight games where he had no touchdowns, he was
Speaker 1: averaging seven PPR points. And I just think if you're
Speaker 1: banking on Brott Purdie being the quarterback this year, then
Speaker 1: obviously we know that there's a lot of MBA. With
Speaker 1: that situation, the whole of the forty nine ers offense
Speaker 1: seems to be just really it comes back to the
Speaker 1: question marks with quarterbacks. This offense is stacked. I just
Speaker 1: I don't think there's a scenario where George Kittle is
Speaker 1: going to get that many touchdowns again, and if he doesn't,
Speaker 1: he's going to be a letdown for fantasy. Yeah, that's fair.
Speaker 1: And I've saw something on Twitter the other day about
Speaker 1: someone comping our Kittle to Travis Kelsey as far as
Speaker 1: like personnap production, and it was like pretty similar. Maybe
Speaker 1: it was per route production, that was it. And obviously,
Speaker 1: like Kittle runs a lot fewer routes than Kelsey, So
Speaker 1: that's where we see the big disparity. Jack, So are
Speaker 1: you up board with that? I mean, do you see
Speaker 1: Kittle as a sell, like even in maybe tight end
Speaker 1: premium leagues where everyone's looking for those high end producers.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure. I totally agree. I do agree one
Speaker 1: thing he said. He said that basically running backs in
Speaker 1: general and not a buy. I love that. It's so true.
Speaker 1: If you could, I mean, you're basically not buying running backs.
Speaker 1: But you know, even in my example, I said, you know,
Speaker 1: swap one running back for another plus profit because you
Speaker 1: want to be selling running backs. I will say that,
Speaker 1: you know, George Kittle had his lowest yards per game
Speaker 1: of his career since his rookie year last year too,
Speaker 1: so he wasn't exactly lightening up the scoreboard with yards.
Speaker 1: So you know, we are a little bit touchdown dependant
Speaker 1: with tight ends. I'm not saying I'm against selling Kittle
Speaker 1: because he is going into his age thirty season. He's
Speaker 1: a violent player and so yeah, the shelf life could
Speaker 1: be starting to wean. But that is a very high
Speaker 1: powered offense, well supposedly anyway that should score touchdowns. And
Speaker 1: we'll see who the quarterback is. That's a whole nother.
Speaker 1: Did someone have him on there? I think so. I
Speaker 1: think we're gonna talk about him, but um, you know,
Speaker 1: I think I think you could make a case either way.
Speaker 1: You know, the touchdown upside is sure to regress, but
Speaker 1: maybe he could. He could see some increases in other
Speaker 1: spots there, and you never know, touchdowns should be at
Speaker 1: least not nothing for a guy like Kittle. Well, thanks
Speaker 1: for the segue, Jacks, because I do want to talk
Speaker 1: about one of those forty nine ers. Quarterbacks. Trey Lance.
Speaker 1: For me, he is a buy. And I realize that
Speaker 1: in super flex leagues, the quarterback market is tricky because
Speaker 1: not everyone is sitting on a you know, glut of
Speaker 1: four or five quarterbacks. And you know, it's sometimes these
Speaker 1: trades get made strictly out of necessity. Um. You know,
Speaker 1: sometimes it's it's hard to the only way to get
Speaker 1: a quarterback loose from someone is to pry them from
Speaker 1: their cold dead handsum. And by no means it's Trey
Speaker 1: Lance free and dynasty leagues these days, even with his
Speaker 1: shaky situation right now. But I think this is probably
Speaker 1: as affordable as he is ever going to be. And
Speaker 1: it's because the forty nine ers are jerking him around
Speaker 1: in a big way. I mean, what are we doing here,
Speaker 1: forty nine ers? Like, I know, we're not supposed to
Speaker 1: question Kyle Shanahan and John Lynch on anything, Kauf Coough,
Speaker 1: Trey Sermon, Koffcoff, but the forty nine ers seem to
Speaker 1: hell bent on just having Brock Purdy be their starting quarterback,
Speaker 1: the final pick of the twenty twenty two draft. Granted,
Speaker 1: Purty played really well over a eight game sample size,
Speaker 1: but Trey Lance is still the same uniquely talented dude
Speaker 1: that they gave up a boatload of draft capital to
Speaker 1: a choir started two games last year, one in a
Speaker 1: rainstorm in Chicago, the other in which he broke his ankle.
Speaker 1: I realize Trey Lance is not bowled over the forty
Speaker 1: nine ers and practices or else. They probably feel better
Speaker 1: about him, But it wouldn't be the first time a
Speaker 1: quarterback in his early twenties has taken some time to
Speaker 1: consolidate all the talent and start figuring out NFL defenses.
Speaker 1: Either the forty nine ers are going to come to
Speaker 1: their senses and make him their starter, or they are
Speaker 1: going to trade him away to someone else. And granted,
Speaker 1: I would rather see him running an offense that has
Speaker 1: more skill position talent than probably any other team in
Speaker 1: the league, but hey, if he has to get traded
Speaker 1: to New England or somewhere else, that's fine too. And
Speaker 1: we're talking about a guy with Konami code rushing potential
Speaker 1: and serious armed talent, so I want in What do
Speaker 1: you think about that? Tom? The tray Lance is a
Speaker 1: tricky one for me because I was all in on
Speaker 1: Tray Lance when he came out as a rookie. What
Speaker 1: a few college games I've been to in America was
Speaker 1: at North Dakota State game many years ago, so it
Speaker 1: is soft spot for them. But like when he came out,
Speaker 1: I was all in on that kind of yeah, like
Speaker 1: you said, the Konami code upside, and then it was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: well the forty nine has traded up for him. He
Speaker 1: got all the draft capital and he was in a
Speaker 1: team where they had all the bright minds who could
Speaker 1: unlock him, and it didn't happen. And then last year
Speaker 1: I was all in again, and then it didn't happen again,
Speaker 1: but not because of anything he did. So for me,
Speaker 1: I'm not buying him simply because I had an awful
Speaker 1: lot of him, and I've just had to diverse by
Speaker 1: a little bit to make sure that I've got quarterbacks
Speaker 1: who are playing on my roster at the minute. Jack's
Speaker 1: here a little bit south of San Francisco, but you
Speaker 1: are in California, so your hand is maybe a little
Speaker 1: closer to the pulse there than anyone else here on
Speaker 1: this show. What do you think of Trey Lance? So
Speaker 1: it's been I've been kind of the opposite of Tom.
Speaker 1: I've been out on Trey Lance at cost, not necessarily
Speaker 1: the idea of him as a potentially good player, but man,
Speaker 1: in dynasty startups from the beginning, he's been like a
Speaker 1: round one or Round two super flex obviously startup player.
Speaker 1: I don't understand how that's pot I could never push
Speaker 1: the button on a player that's a pure projection, never
Speaker 1: played a game before in his life and have him
Speaker 1: at that. Even after his rookie season, he was there again,
Speaker 1: and that just felt very expensive. So this entire time,
Speaker 1: I've been out not on the player, not on a
Speaker 1: player eval stance, but more on a value stance. And
Speaker 1: maybe right now is the first time I'm starting to
Speaker 1: think I would like to buy in. Maybe I'll buy
Speaker 1: a few of those Tim shares. I think for me,
Speaker 1: it's like this, I definitely still believe in his talent,
Speaker 1: and I still believe, much like Pat said, that there's
Speaker 1: a very real chance he can move on to a
Speaker 1: team and develop, you know, like going back to the
Speaker 1: end of his rookie season, Kyle Shanahan was saying he's
Speaker 1: learned the playbook, he just he needs for time playing now,
Speaker 1: And it seems that all that happens since then is
Speaker 1: he broke his leg. Yeah, it's like he didn't do
Speaker 1: anything to play himself off the field, And personally, I
Speaker 1: think that Rot Perdy might be an answer that the
Speaker 1: forty nine is to look to go with this year,
Speaker 1: but he doesn't feel like he's a long term solution. Now.
Speaker 1: I would really like to see Trey Lance have a
Speaker 1: longer audition for it. Definitely, there is a lot of
Speaker 1: like I am near a lot of San Francisco forty
Speaker 1: nine ers fans out here, and I've asked like just
Speaker 1: sort of casually, you know, hey man, what do you
Speaker 1: think about the thing? You know, and a lot of
Speaker 1: them are just they're all in on Purdy and they're
Speaker 1: kind of like, yeah, whatever, it's just trade lance, like
Speaker 1: the casual fan. I'm not talking about the but just
Speaker 1: the sort of fandom. So I think in general that
Speaker 1: they're not going to get a lot of like pushback
Speaker 1: from their fan base that they get rid of or
Speaker 1: bench lance. I don't think that they're bought in. They
Speaker 1: just haven't seen winning with him. You know, they did
Speaker 1: see winning, and if you're a fan base that sees
Speaker 1: winning with Purdy, they're fine there. So I don't think
Speaker 1: it's a fan base issue. I don't think it's a
Speaker 1: media issue. I do think we're dynasty nuts are a
Speaker 1: total different breed. You know, we see this Lance thing,
Speaker 1: we understand the Konami thing. You say konami to a
Speaker 1: regular football fanily, what are you talking about? So you know,
Speaker 1: all these things are sort of digested in different ways
Speaker 1: from different parties. But I'm with you. I still see
Speaker 1: the upside, but it might be on a different team.
Speaker 1: I think it's more likely than not. I think he
Speaker 1: gets traded. I mean, if you had to bet, would
Speaker 1: you bet he's with the forty nine ers or with
Speaker 1: another team? On Opening week, it does seem like they're
Speaker 1: going to trade him in like the Donalds acquisition maybe
Speaker 1: gave them the safety to do that. So yeah, I know,
Speaker 1: I get it, and you're right, Jacks, that we do.
Speaker 1: Us Dynasty League enthusiasts are very swept up in draft
Speaker 1: capital and all this. So to us, like Trey Lance
Speaker 1: is still this very valuable or at least potentially valuable commodity,
Speaker 1: And you know, we're thumbing our noses at mister irrelevant
Speaker 1: from the draft who almost took the forty nine ers
Speaker 1: to the Super Bowl. Um, So I totally get that.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know if I agree with the
Speaker 1: perception among Niners fans that he's the second coming of
Speaker 1: Joe Montana. But um, I can sort of understand their
Speaker 1: position on that. Okay, who's up next for you, Jacks?
Speaker 1: I will say, well, here's here's a cell of a
Speaker 1: running back. I'm a selling Javante, you know, health wise,
Speaker 1: um and and also we see this happen all the
Speaker 1: time where things change. You know, now we have a
Speaker 1: new coach, you know, they're the team is selling, you know,
Speaker 1: for Kron. I mean, there's just so much change happening
Speaker 1: in Denver that I don't think that Javante is you know,
Speaker 1: is going to be given the promise that he was
Speaker 1: coming out as a rookie. You know, there's just that
Speaker 1: promise is gone, the promise that he's going to lead
Speaker 1: the backfield. I love Jivanta as a player again, as
Speaker 1: a player. Eval you're not going to hear a bigger
Speaker 1: Javanta Williams fan than me. But that doesn't matter. You know,
Speaker 1: you have to be abasing. You have to say, Okay,
Speaker 1: first of all, the knee could be a problem. There's
Speaker 1: reports that he could miss the entire season. If you're
Speaker 1: going to get anybody to pay you any sort of
Speaker 1: value that is synonymous with a top twelve dynasty running
Speaker 1: back for a player that may not play this year. Yeah,
Speaker 1: just go ahead and snap that up. I would be
Speaker 1: selling Jivanta. Sell Jivanta down to cam Akers plus something.
Speaker 1: I mean that may be okay, you know. I mean,
Speaker 1: obviously I think Javanta is a better player. But if
Speaker 1: you can get enough on top to get off of Jivante,
Speaker 1: you got to do it at this point. I mean
Speaker 1: a late first plush, you know, a running back like
Speaker 1: Acres for Jivante. I bet you a lot of people
Speaker 1: would do that, and I think I'd out of the
Speaker 1: cam Akers plus a late first. Yeah, I need to
Speaker 1: move him down to my rankings because I agree with
Speaker 1: everything you've said, and he hasn't done anything to make
Speaker 1: us suggest that he is not going to be terrific
Speaker 1: if his health cooperates. He has looked good whenever he's
Speaker 1: touched the ball. But yeah, it just seems like the
Speaker 1: situation is not ideal, and this injury thing is concerning.
Speaker 1: Do you agree with that, Tom? Yeah? Completely. I think
Speaker 1: Samagipa and someone who I'm going to be aggressively targeted
Speaker 1: in Best Ball drafts this year, particularly sort of like
Speaker 1: in zero RB builds, because it just feels like he's
Speaker 1: gonna have a very large role in this offense. We
Speaker 1: sort of Sean Payton came out aggressively trying to recruit
Speaker 1: him to the Broncos. He had offer on the table
Speaker 1: the same from the Bengals, but chose to go to
Speaker 1: the Broncos because he believed in what Sean Payton say.
Speaker 1: Sean Payton was telling him I always used two running backs.
Speaker 1: So it just seems like the chance of Givanni Williams
Speaker 1: returning from an incredibly serious knee injury and then becoming
Speaker 1: down workhorse just that's gone. I mean, I got burned
Speaker 1: badly by JK. Dobbins last year, and it's a mistake
Speaker 1: that I'm not about to repeat with Joan Williams this year.
Speaker 1: All Right, who's your next man up, tom Oh, Let's
Speaker 1: go with DeAndre Swift. Speaking of running backs, Yeah, the lines,
Speaker 1: they just don't seem to particularly have any love for
Speaker 1: DeAndre Swift. I mean, they gave David Montgomery a three year,
Speaker 1: eighty million deal. They went out in the upgrade on
Speaker 1: Jamal Williams, who was such a pivotable part of their
Speaker 1: offense last year. You know, they could have got Jamal
Speaker 1: Williams for a cheaper deal than they got Montgomery, but
Speaker 1: instead they went with Montgomery. I mean, if it signed
Speaker 1: somebody cheaper, we saw a lot of running backs take
Speaker 1: cheap deals, then you could talk yourself into Okay, well,
Speaker 1: maybe they're looking to give Swift more attempts, but it
Speaker 1: just doesn't feel that way. And over the last three
Speaker 1: years he's had the rush attempts per game, he's averaged
Speaker 1: eight point five twelve point zero, seven point two. It
Speaker 1: just it gets very hard to build an argument for him.
Speaker 1: And if you counted on the passing game work for Swift,
Speaker 1: David Montgomery is better in the passing game than Jamal
Speaker 1: Williams in my opinion. Like, you know, he had nine
Speaker 1: point three yards per catch last year, which is more
Speaker 1: than swifts eight point though, and he had a better
Speaker 1: receiving EPA per play than DeAndre Swift did. So I
Speaker 1: think it's going to be really difficult for DeAndre Swift
Speaker 1: to be as good as he was last year this year. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And it seemed like as if it weren't frustrating enough
Speaker 1: for DeAndre Swift investors last year with Jamal Williams scoring
Speaker 1: approximately forty seven touchdowns from the one yard line. Now
Speaker 1: they bring into David Montgomery, who's probably a better running
Speaker 1: back than Jamal Williams, and it just seems like they
Speaker 1: do not want to give DeAndre Swift that bigger role.
Speaker 1: So are you also a seller on DeAndre Swift Jacks?
Speaker 1: I probably don't have enough shares to sell any but
Speaker 1: maybe looking to buy sneaky actually, you know, just because
Speaker 1: I think there's so much negative right now with him
Speaker 1: that he can be had pretty cheap. I wouldn't pay up.
Speaker 1: I'm not paying up. I don't think the prognostication is not, oh,
Speaker 1: he's gonna have a great twenty twenty three. But there
Speaker 1: is a possibility he gets traded. That is not a
Speaker 1: done deal. I mean, he could absolutely get traded and
Speaker 1: find himself some fertile soil, someplace that values him. You know,
Speaker 1: things can change a little bit. I'd be betting on talent.
Speaker 1: He is healthy. It is vexing, and it's confusing as
Speaker 1: to why they don't value him as a as a
Speaker 1: more of an Echoler style weapon. But that's the way
Speaker 1: it goes. They don't see him that way clearly, that much,
Speaker 1: we know. Yeah, I mean, it seems like the market
Speaker 1: is down on him. But it's funny. I look at
Speaker 1: people's dynasty rankings and he's still like ranked fairly high.
Speaker 1: But I feel like he is at this tier break
Speaker 1: where he's like either at the end of the guys
Speaker 1: people are excited about, or at the very top of
Speaker 1: the just a guy guys, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So he's kind of an interesting one and like I
Speaker 1: think the values of varies on him from league to
Speaker 1: league and manager to manager. All Right, I'm going to
Speaker 1: go out of order since we're on the subject of
Speaker 1: running back cells and since he just came up a
Speaker 1: second ago. But JK. Dobbins, for me, is a cell
Speaker 1: and I'm sort of surprised by the level of enthusiasm
Speaker 1: that I've seen from him. And I guess it's based
Speaker 1: on the finish he had to the end of last year,
Speaker 1: when he averaged about one hundred yards rushing a game
Speaker 1: from week thirteen to week seventeen. But I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: still a little concerned about him after you know, he
Speaker 1: has the promising rookie year in twenty twenty, and then
Speaker 1: he has the devastating knee injury in twenty twenty one,
Speaker 1: not just a torn ACL but LCL, a torn meniscus.
Speaker 1: I think there was a hamstring injury too. It was
Speaker 1: just messy. So then Dobbins comes back a few weeks
Speaker 1: into the twenty twenty two season, it is just flat
Speaker 1: out limping at times, plays a few games sparingly, has
Speaker 1: a clean up surgery, and then comes back and look
Speaker 1: great at the end of the year. So I think
Speaker 1: everyone is like all systems go. I'm just not that sure.
Speaker 1: It's one thing for Jesse ACL, like I'm not worried
Speaker 1: about Bruce Hall's future after just a clean ACL tire
Speaker 1: last year, but those multiple ligament injuries always concern me.
Speaker 1: And the other thing is that JK. Dobbins just doesn't
Speaker 1: catch passes. I mean, maybe he can do that, and
Speaker 1: we saw a little bit of it at Ohio States,
Speaker 1: but we've not seen the Ravens use him in that way.
Speaker 1: We've also not seen the Ravens really show any inclination
Speaker 1: to make him their bell cow, like they've paired him
Speaker 1: with Gus Edwards or someone else. So, um, I just
Speaker 1: think he's maybe flying a little too close to the
Speaker 1: sun as far as his trade value right now in
Speaker 1: the league's I'm in Jacks. What do you think about that? Yeah, totally. Um,
Speaker 1: let me let me ask you a quick question. Do
Speaker 1: you do you have Rashad White or JK. Dobbins higher
Speaker 1: in your dynasty rankings? If you don't mind me asking,
Speaker 1: I've got White higher. Yeah, they're I mean, they're they're close, fish,
Speaker 1: but I think I've got Wide higher. So you'll like this, Tom,
Speaker 1: you can, you can answer to. But I made this trade.
Speaker 1: I traded JK. Dobbins for Rashad White plus the two
Speaker 1: point zero five in this year's draft. Um. So obviously
Speaker 1: a big, big, big win. And I think that's the
Speaker 1: kind of trades you're trying to make because if you
Speaker 1: can shuffle these guys around and pick up profit, you're
Speaker 1: just as well, you know. And so that that's what
Speaker 1: I've been trying to do and a lot of stuff.
Speaker 1: So just to put practice into what we're talking about
Speaker 1: selling and buying these players, I agree, I'm gonna sell
Speaker 1: on Dobbins Again. I love Dobbins. He's one about like
Speaker 1: literally one of my favorite football players. I love them.
Speaker 1: But you're absolutely right, they don't target the running back
Speaker 1: and you know, if you can make creative trades where
Speaker 1: you're selling that risk and getting profit and getting who knows,
Speaker 1: maybe the better player out of the two, you got
Speaker 1: to do those as many as possible. Even if Rashad
Speaker 1: White totally dumps in that in that particular deal, I
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Speaker 1: All right, Jacks, who's next for you? Well, let's go
Speaker 1: with a bye, especially in super Flex. A lot of
Speaker 1: you guys play super Flex. I think Dak Prescott's a bye.
Speaker 1: I think he's on the edge of the sort of
Speaker 1: quarterbacks that we like in Dynasty. And you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. It's like all these guys we love, you know,
Speaker 1: Herbert Burrow, everybody, yeah, all right, great, and then there's
Speaker 1: a bunch of guys were like, oh they're too old,
Speaker 1: they suck, they're young, whatever, all these He's sort of
Speaker 1: the lynchpin of those two, you know, groups of players,
Speaker 1: and a lot of times he's the last one taken.
Speaker 1: I think he's undervalued. He's definitely, he's contracted up. He's
Speaker 1: got Brandon Cooks and Ceedee Lamb. I think those are
Speaker 1: pretty nice weapons. Tony Pollard's there. They're definitely committed in
Speaker 1: Dallas to winning, so they're going to continue to surround
Speaker 1: him with weapons. I don't think he's going anywhere, man,
Speaker 1: And he's been he you know, before the injury, he
Speaker 1: was on a pace to really set records as a passer.
Speaker 1: You know, now he's what two years from removed from
Speaker 1: that injury. If we can move a little bit better,
Speaker 1: maybe we see a little bit of rushing upside. You know,
Speaker 1: he's been really, really good. He had a little bit
Speaker 1: of a high interception rate last year, and that's really
Speaker 1: the only knock that anybody's got on him. So, you know,
Speaker 1: I think Dak Prescott's a buy, especially in super flex leagues.
Speaker 1: I'm just ready to see a big year from Dak
Speaker 1: and CD. Let me throw a hypothetical at you. Let's
Speaker 1: say you were coming off kind of a bad season,
Speaker 1: but you do feel like your team is pretty close
Speaker 1: to contending. We're talking super flex, So you're holding the
Speaker 1: one O two or the one OHO three. Would you
Speaker 1: give up one O two for Dak Prescott? Would you
Speaker 1: give him a nanosecond? Yeah? And any league I'm in,
Speaker 1: no matter what my my roster looks like, one O
Speaker 1: two for Dak all day long. Okay, what about you, Tom, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I do the same. I think that that wouldn't wouldn't
Speaker 1: take me very long to think about all even I
Speaker 1: think that the Cowboys have made some nice moves in
Speaker 1: terms of what they're doom with the play is, you know,
Speaker 1: bringing in Brandon Cooks. Yes, they lost Dalton Schultz, but
Speaker 1: I don't think Dalton Schultz was ever really a massive
Speaker 1: game changer. So it's not the end of the world.
Speaker 1: You know, They've moved on from Zeke and his seventeen
Speaker 1: touches a game on being able to give Pollard more so,
Speaker 1: I think, although I'm not wiled by the kind of
Speaker 1: staffing stuff that's going on with the Cowboys Dak. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's just like Jack said, he's like he's at tier
Speaker 1: two kind of quarterback. You know. Last season he had
Speaker 1: six twenty point games despite missing a bunch of games,
Speaker 1: and the mv year before he had nine of them.
Speaker 1: That's what you want a quarterback position. And you know,
Speaker 1: if I'm buying that from one h two instead of
Speaker 1: taking a shot on Stroud or Young to turn into that,
Speaker 1: I'm more than happy to do it. Yeah, And I
Speaker 1: don't understand there does seem like there was kind of
Speaker 1: a crisis of confidence in Dak Prescott last year, and
Speaker 1: I'm not sure it's really Maritan. All right, Tom, who's
Speaker 1: up next time? You're a last Well, stick with quarterbacks
Speaker 1: and I'll go with Daniel Jones. Who's your self? For me?
Speaker 1: I think this one's about exploiting value more than me
Speaker 1: being particularly down on Daniel Jones. I mean, he just
Speaker 1: signed that new contract, but in fear he could keep
Speaker 1: him around on twenty twenty six. But in reality it
Speaker 1: could also just be like a two year deal. You know,
Speaker 1: they can get out of it quite easily. You know,
Speaker 1: he did really well last year at times. You know,
Speaker 1: seven hundred rushing yards. It's a lot of rushing yards.
Speaker 1: You know, we can't downplay that. I think there's only
Speaker 1: been like nineteen better quarterback seasons than mat in the
Speaker 1: history of the game. But I just can't help but
Speaker 1: think that the rook would get pulled from Daniel Jones
Speaker 1: quite easily. It's he doesn't have as long a leash
Speaker 1: as some of the players. And if you look at
Speaker 1: like on keep trade cut and his value as the
Speaker 1: equivalent of the one oh five of the one oh
Speaker 1: six in the rookie draft, and I just think, whereas
Speaker 1: Dark for one oh two is a no brainer for me,
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones for like the one oh five one oh six,
Speaker 1: I'm starting to be like, Okay, well, what's in the
Speaker 1: mystery box of that pick? I think I'd rather it'd
Speaker 1: be a boat. It could be a boat, exactly. M
Speaker 1: I personally would rather have Jones than the one oh
Speaker 1: five or one oh six, what about you? Although admittedly,
Speaker 1: like I don't know if if last year was his
Speaker 1: true level or not. I don't think his first couple
Speaker 1: of years where his true level, But I don't know
Speaker 1: if last year was either what do you think Jack's
Speaker 1: would you take the chance of the boat or Daniel Jones.
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones is the ultimate enigma. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: he comes out we all, you know, poo poo the
Speaker 1: draft pick and whether or not he was gonna be
Speaker 1: any good and he's kind of been. I mean, he
Speaker 1: wasn't all that good last year either. I mean, he
Speaker 1: just reduced his turnovers. You know, you may have fifteen
Speaker 1: touchdown passes, you know, it's not like he was like
Speaker 1: killing it. So there's a I don't know, man, he
Speaker 1: he scares the Bejesus out of me. But day Ball, somehow,
Speaker 1: you know, is able to craft a game plan that
Speaker 1: sort of protects him. He ran the ball a lot
Speaker 1: last year, which is of course where the points came from.
Speaker 1: I don't have it in front of me. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: take peak, but here it is. Yeah, he had I
Speaker 1: mean he had seven hundred yards and seven touchdowns. He
Speaker 1: had five career touchdowns before last year on the ground,
Speaker 1: so I mean he was a complete, you know, rushing
Speaker 1: quarterback last year, which was new, and you know that
Speaker 1: the day Ball effect probably I mean he had one
Speaker 1: hundred and twenty rushing attempts in his previous two seasons
Speaker 1: he basically had that. So again, I think this is
Speaker 1: an absolute you know, change in game planning around him,
Speaker 1: and that has created him to be a fantasy value.
Speaker 1: But I don't think he's you know, he didn't have weapons,
Speaker 1: but he hasn't you know, arrived as a passer yet.
Speaker 1: That's for sure. I think just picking up on what
Speaker 1: you said there about and being an enigma, I think
Speaker 1: that's part of me. It's like, Okay, if you've dealt
Speaker 1: with Daniel Jones experience so far, this feels like a
Speaker 1: good opportunity to decide whether you want to get off
Speaker 1: or whether you believe in him for the next three years.
Speaker 1: That's a great point. I think my own, my own
Speaker 1: perspective might be a little skewed on him because in
Speaker 1: the league I have him, it is a super flex,
Speaker 1: and I've got Joe Burrow and mac Joe. So Daniel
Speaker 1: Jones is sort of my QB two, And it's a
Speaker 1: comfortable situation because I've got a true QB one and
Speaker 1: I've got like a cushion behind him. But if Daniel
Speaker 1: Jones were my QB one, or if I didn't have
Speaker 1: a cushion beneath him, I would probably be a little
Speaker 1: more skittish about where I was with Daniel Jones and
Speaker 1: his future. All Right, I'm gonna go with a bye.
Speaker 1: Jake Ferguson and Tom you just talked about, Yeah, you
Speaker 1: just talked about maybe Dalton Schultz being just kind of
Speaker 1: a guy, and I happen to thank Dalton Schultz is
Speaker 1: just kind of a guy. Now it's possible the Cowboys
Speaker 1: could get in on one of these premium tight ends
Speaker 1: in a class that has loaded with tight end talent,
Speaker 1: bringing you know, Dalton Kinkaido or Michael Mayer to Dallas.
Speaker 1: And maybe I'm a little less enthusiastic about Jake Ferguson,
Speaker 1: but we are talking about a pretty low low price
Speaker 1: for the guy right now. I think he's even unrostered
Speaker 1: in some dynasty leagues, although no way should he be unrostered.
Speaker 1: You know, this guy was as a University of Wisconsin alumnus.
Speaker 1: I can attest this guy's really good and like Schultz,
Speaker 1: he's not super athletic, but he is. He was a
Speaker 1: key part of the Wisconsin passing game, led the Badgers
Speaker 1: in receptions his last two years there. Tough dude, good
Speaker 1: at making catches outside the frame of his body, which
Speaker 1: he often had to do since he was catching passes
Speaker 1: from Graham Mertz. And like, there's no guarantee that he
Speaker 1: is the guy ahead of Peyton A. Hendershot, who also
Speaker 1: played some for the Cowboys last year, but Ferguson did
Speaker 1: play forty four percent more snaps and had fifty percent
Speaker 1: more targets than Hendershot last year. So I do think
Speaker 1: he is the incumbent right now, and I think there's
Speaker 1: sneaky tight end one potential here. Do you guys like
Speaker 1: Ferguson as a sneaky ad in Dynasty Jack's. Yeah, sure,
Speaker 1: you know he's got touchdown upside, which is all you're
Speaker 1: really looking for. His profile. You just can't lie to yourself, right,
Speaker 1: And you even mentioned his profile is not that of
Speaker 1: an elite tight end. So even if he starts to
Speaker 1: kind of hit, you know, you're sealing his Dalton Schultz,
Speaker 1: you know, And so that's fine, you know, and that
Speaker 1: is a tight end one. I mean, tight end one
Speaker 1: is not hard to do. I mean, I think the
Speaker 1: difference we did it last year was a difference between
Speaker 1: like tight end eight and tight end twenty five was
Speaker 1: like one or two points, you know, per game. You know,
Speaker 1: it was like really not a big difference. So you know,
Speaker 1: anybody can get in there with a little bit of
Speaker 1: touchdown upside. So you're betting on a starting tight end,
Speaker 1: hopefully on one of the best offenses in the league.
Speaker 1: Certainly I've heard worst bets to make, especially at his cost. Tom,
Speaker 1: where are you and Ferguson? Yeah, it's low cost, medium
Speaker 1: so of upside, isn't it. I think you know, in
Speaker 1: a lot of leagues when Schultz moved on, you saw
Speaker 1: one person would grab pen a shot and one person
Speaker 1: would be grabbing Ferguson and each would be feeling like
Speaker 1: ha ha, I've won, missed one and stuff. But really
Speaker 1: it could go either way. I mean, you know, Ferguson
Speaker 1: one game last year where he got more than a
Speaker 1: couple of receptions. I think he had four and finished
Speaker 1: his tight end eight on that week, and you know
Speaker 1: that's all we kind of really after he had four
Speaker 1: in a touchdown. So I definitely think that Dak is
Speaker 1: the type of quarterback who can lean onto a tight end.
Speaker 1: And I don't see any reason why it couldn't be
Speaker 1: Jake Ferguson. And I think, you know, you can look
Speaker 1: at the kind of this class where people are talking about, okay,
Speaker 1: well it's a great tight end rookie class. It's making
Speaker 1: it slightly easier to acquire these low cost tight ends
Speaker 1: who you know, people see his roster cloggers perhaps or
Speaker 1: if they don't see an immediate path to fantasy relevance
Speaker 1: in the way, might be hoping these rookies are. So
Speaker 1: he's definitely somebody that you can be adding into trades
Speaker 1: and stuff, just sneaking in there where it's like, okay,
Speaker 1: well i'd like that player. Can you just throw in
Speaker 1: Jake Ferguson as well as sweeten the deal. Well said,
Speaker 1: Jack's give me another buy or sell plays. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: the way to do it is as a throwing That's
Speaker 1: the smart way to get these guys that you want.
Speaker 1: Make a bigger deal, but have him as a throwing. Brilliant.
Speaker 1: Speaking of another guy, one of Daniel Jones's alpha receivers
Speaker 1: who could also be a throw in a deal, Isaiah Hodgins.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's gotta be somebody. It's gonna be Darren Waller,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be sae Quon Barkley. We understand that. But
Speaker 1: it's got to be somebody. And they've got, oh let
Speaker 1: me count here, seventy two slot receivers on the team
Speaker 1: right now signed. They really do. It's incredible. All of
Speaker 1: them are either terrible, injured or both. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: just an incredible poopoo platter of talk about throwing spaghettia
Speaker 1: against the wall and seeing what sticks. That is what
Speaker 1: the New York Giants are doing at receiver. But they
Speaker 1: made it a priority their first free agent signing. Their
Speaker 1: first order of business was to get Isaiah Hodgins signed,
Speaker 1: and they signed him to a I don't remember what
Speaker 1: it was like two year eleven or something like two
Speaker 1: year twelve million. It's not nothing, it's not nothing, And
Speaker 1: so I think he is part of their plans, and
Speaker 1: I don't know. He's definitely very very free right now.
Speaker 1: I kept watching Giants games late last season and thinking, like,
Speaker 1: is it just me Isaiah Hodgins actually good? He just
Speaker 1: looked good. Do you agree? Yeah? Definitely. I think Like
Speaker 1: for me, I was quite in on Richie James in
Speaker 1: DFS a lot, because in PBR formats it was such
Speaker 1: a you know, he had some really good weeks, but
Speaker 1: Hodgins kept being the one who I wish I'd played
Speaker 1: at times as well, and they both played far better
Speaker 1: than you could have expected them for two wide receivers
Speaker 1: who were not known commodities really to just come in
Speaker 1: cold and really play through the season. But much like
Speaker 1: Jack said, I mean, you know, Hodgins, he only played
Speaker 1: over twenty percent of his snaps in the slot on
Speaker 1: two games. The rest of the time he wasn't in
Speaker 1: the slot, and that slot area, who was going to
Speaker 1: be really condensed It's gonna be very difficult to decipher.
Speaker 1: I'd be very much in on Isaiah Hodgins this year.
Speaker 1: All right, Tom, who's your next man? Okay, let's go
Speaker 1: to George Pickens, who the Internet might be a bit
Speaker 1: mad with me for suggesting him as a cell, but
Speaker 1: I was just kind of feel that through his career
Speaker 1: so far, it's been a story of big plays, but
Speaker 1: it's not been big points. Like you know, he finished
Speaker 1: as the wide receiving fifty five and half PPR and
Speaker 1: he had only two performances over fifteen points in his
Speaker 1: rookie season, So what he did do was incredible. Some
Speaker 1: of those catches, I'm not downplaying them at all, and
Speaker 1: I think he's one of those personalities who's great to
Speaker 1: root for. But I think because of that, there becomes
Speaker 1: a little bit of a cult status to him, and
Speaker 1: people who have Pickings on their teams, they believe in
Speaker 1: him heavily and they don't want to trade him for
Speaker 1: anything other than the top price. But I mean, he
Speaker 1: averaged four point nine targets per game, and from Week
Speaker 1: seven onwards, he never had more than five catches in
Speaker 1: a game, and I think the whole Steelers offense is
Speaker 1: going to take a step forward this year. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, Kenny Pickett's touchdown rate was ridiculously low that
Speaker 1: has to positively regress. But I think if we're writing
Speaker 1: that him for him, it's fair to expect Joant Johnson
Speaker 1: to maybe catch a touchdown again. Pat Fryan, we've seem
Speaker 1: be good and looking at trade bas. You could go
Speaker 1: out and you could trade George Pickings straight up for
Speaker 1: Marky Sproun or trail On Books and I'd be doing
Speaker 1: that every time. Uh, Jacks, I saw you nodding your
Speaker 1: head enthusiastically. You're you're on board here. I did this,
Speaker 1: I did I did that. I've sold George Pickens in
Speaker 1: multiple spots. Um. One of them was you're gonna hate
Speaker 1: this one. I sold George Pickens, uh and a twenty
Speaker 1: five second. So I gave up George Pickins a twenty
Speaker 1: five second for mark He's brown and the twenty five
Speaker 1: first Oh my goodness, yes sir, yes sir. And then
Speaker 1: the other the other deal I did with Pickins selling him. Look,
Speaker 1: you mentioned it. It's a cult. I love George Pickens.
Speaker 1: He's like another one of my favorite players in real NFL.
Speaker 1: But that also means that he's probably other people's you know,
Speaker 1: he he you know the thing with him staring at
Speaker 1: the TV with the hood On. That was awesome. I mean,
Speaker 1: who cannot like this guy? But because of those reasons,
Speaker 1: he's overpriced and you're right, so I sold him in
Speaker 1: another deal, um I got. I ended up getting Chris
Speaker 1: Olave back, all I know, all I know, I don't
Speaker 1: remember the entire deal, but it was it was definitely
Speaker 1: I think I sold Tua and got Jimmy g Olave
Speaker 1: in a first for like Tua and Pickens or something
Speaker 1: like that. It was a great trade. Another one. So
Speaker 1: you know, these these types of deals where you can
Speaker 1: use Pickens to increase your team's value when there's no
Speaker 1: guarantee that Pickens is actually going to fire as an
Speaker 1: elite fantasy player. I actually think that there's it's almost
Speaker 1: a solved equation with Pickens is going to be a
Speaker 1: solid NFL player, that's done. We're sure that he's a blocker,
Speaker 1: he's an outside winner, but I don't know exactly to
Speaker 1: your point, how many targets he's actually going to see
Speaker 1: at his ceiling. I just don't know. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: I too was mesmerized by some of the highlights that
Speaker 1: contested catches and you mentioned at Jack's the blocking. I mean,
Speaker 1: he just bullies some of these smaller cornerbacks. It's fun
Speaker 1: to watch, but then you dig in and you look
Speaker 1: at it just like, is he a target earner? He
Speaker 1: certainly wasn't last year with like a fifteen point something
Speaker 1: and target share. Can he separate? He was one of
Speaker 1: the worst in that according to next Gen Stats. Can
Speaker 1: he make yards after the catch? No, he was very
Speaker 1: Mike Evans like last year, just two point o yards
Speaker 1: after the catch per reception. So yeah, I've got some
Speaker 1: issues with him. I'm going to get to something related
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with Cdarius Tony as a buy here.
Speaker 1: And you know we just talked about George Pickens and
Speaker 1: his fifteen points something percent target share. Cadarius Tony has
Speaker 1: played four hundred and forty five regular season snaps in
Speaker 1: his two seasons and he's been targeted on seventeen point
Speaker 1: three percent of his snaps. That's not a fifteen point
Speaker 1: something percent target share. Seventeen point three percent that's on
Speaker 1: his snaps. Last year in the playoffs, he played thirty
Speaker 1: snaps and had ten targets. Like, this guy is on
Speaker 1: the field, he's getting the ball and that's because he
Speaker 1: gets open. He's a freaky athlete. Yes, he's gotten injured.
Speaker 1: I think he's already hurt like forty seven different body
Speaker 1: parts in two seasons. However, he is right now being
Speaker 1: priced as a guy who is inevitably going to get hurt.
Speaker 1: That's simply how he's priced it. It's baked into the price.
Speaker 1: And my goodness, if we actually do get a healthy
Speaker 1: season out of this dude, only is he insanely talented
Speaker 1: and drawing targets at just a freakish rate. He's catching
Speaker 1: passes from Patrick Mahomes in an offense with the player
Speaker 1: being designed by Andy Reid. So I am, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm seeing the rainbows here with Kadarius Tony. If somehow
Speaker 1: this guy can stay healthy, and if he doesn't, who
Speaker 1: cares because he's so inexpensive right now, just because people
Speaker 1: expect injuries, what do you think, Tom, I think, as
Speaker 1: a community and as fantasy football players in general, people
Speaker 1: get far too confident in variability to project injuries. And
Speaker 1: you know we saw it last season. Jonathan Taylor, who'd
Speaker 1: never missed a game going back to high school, suddenly
Speaker 1: missus time. Meanwhile, Christie McCaffrey, who people didn't want a draft,
Speaker 1: suddenly goes out and as a healthy season. So I'm
Speaker 1: always kind of I don't like buying in too much
Speaker 1: to the whole this players injury prone stick. I think
Speaker 1: Kadarius Tony's the type of player that I've got a
Speaker 1: rebuild on a truly awful team. It's spiraled and so
Speaker 1: bad that we did a video on it, and how
Speaker 1: I'm going to have to take risks to turn that
Speaker 1: one around because I need them to payoff. And at
Speaker 1: the current kind of prices of a mid second for him,
Speaker 1: I think that's the kind of player you want if
Speaker 1: you're in a rebuild and you're lacking a little bit
Speaker 1: of value. He's the kind of player that you could
Speaker 1: easily turn from a mid two h five this year
Speaker 1: into sort of like one oh nine next year. And
Speaker 1: it doesn't really matter whether he's a long term player
Speaker 1: who turns into the wide receiver one because he is
Speaker 1: going to flash and he's going to have these huge
Speaker 1: blow up games thanks to Patrick Mahomes and Andy Reid,
Speaker 1: and you know, at the end of the day, Dynasty
Speaker 1: is about acquiring assets and turning them into more pricey
Speaker 1: assets which you can move on. What about you? Jack
Speaker 1: says he is he for everyone? Or is he just
Speaker 1: for certain situations in Dynasty, certain types of teams. I
Speaker 1: gotta tell he's not for me. You know, he's not
Speaker 1: for me. I think at the you know, yeah, I
Speaker 1: can't get with can Arizona. I appreciate what you mentioned about,
Speaker 1: you know, opportunities per snap, which which makes sense, but
Speaker 1: I don't think that's extrapolated because I think that they
Speaker 1: do scheme him, you know looks, because I just don't
Speaker 1: think he's you know, he's Pinocchio. He's not a real boy.
Speaker 1: You know, he's just he's not a full fledged, real
Speaker 1: wide receiver. He's just a guy that you can put
Speaker 1: in and he's he's a real athlete. He's a really
Speaker 1: amazing football player in a lot of ways, but he's
Speaker 1: not a full wide receiver. He can't do everything for you.
Speaker 1: And I don't know when and if he ever gets
Speaker 1: to do that, or if he's just more of a
Speaker 1: gimmicky player and he you know, look, keep trade cut
Speaker 1: isn't the Bible. But I'll just read you the players
Speaker 1: he's going ahead of and keep trade cut. Elijah Moore, Keenan, Allen,
Speaker 1: Courtland Sutton, Jacoby Myers, his teammates, sky More, Tyler Lockett,
Speaker 1: Gabe Davis. I think I like a lot of those guys,
Speaker 1: if not all of those guys ahead of Cadarius Tony,
Speaker 1: And for that reason, just value wise, he's a cell
Speaker 1: for me. But um I also see that he has
Speaker 1: a much higher ceiling than many, if not all, of
Speaker 1: those guys. If he does turn around those raw skills
Speaker 1: into you know, on field every down play. I'll give
Speaker 1: you that. I will argue Cadarius Tony over Fool's gold
Speaker 1: skymore till the death. But I gotta give you credit
Speaker 1: for the Cdarius Tony Pinocchio analogy. That's pure gold. All right. Back,
Speaker 1: while you're on a roll, Jacks, who's up next for you?
Speaker 1: Let's do Antonio Gibson. Antonio Gibson should be a bye.
Speaker 1: He's also kind of been the forgotten man. I made
Speaker 1: an incredible trade for him at his depths last year.
Speaker 1: I think it was like Eno Benjamin for Antonio Gibson
Speaker 1: when Eno was starting. I mean, you know, everybody was
Speaker 1: given up on him and trading him for the likes
Speaker 1: of that. I don't know that he's fully recovered. I
Speaker 1: think Brian Robinson's a great meat shield for him too,
Speaker 1: because I don't think that the you know, Washington is
Speaker 1: going to go out and draft a running back with
Speaker 1: high draft capital, considering the fact that they have both
Speaker 1: Gibson and Brian Robinson in toe Brian Robinson early early
Speaker 1: down back Jade McKissick. I mean, at some point we've
Speaker 1: got to find him, you know, on the road in
Speaker 1: the rearview mirror as roadkill. I mean, he can't be
Speaker 1: coming back at all, and you know, so he's going
Speaker 1: to be the pass down back. You would think he
Speaker 1: has a three down um you know, skill set and profile,
Speaker 1: so he has upside that you know, could be found
Speaker 1: next year. It's possible, you know, so we'll see exactly
Speaker 1: how much of a ceiling he has. But I think
Speaker 1: at the very least he's at least a part time player,
Speaker 1: and he's he's he's fallen way way down most people's ranks,
Speaker 1: and I think he's very very easy to acquire, and
Speaker 1: just that sort of floor of a you know, sort
Speaker 1: of a backfield split with the ceiling of very very
Speaker 1: high production. I'll buy some Antonio Gibson where I can
Speaker 1: find it. Yeah, Gibson is polarizing, Tom. Where are you
Speaker 1: with him? Yeah? Definitely. I think a lot of what
Speaker 1: Jack said made a lot of sense. Like, you know,
Speaker 1: he is so cheap to acquire right now, the right team.
Speaker 1: I don't hate it. I think I struggle a little
Speaker 1: with it because I can see a path to the
Speaker 1: commanders taking a running back and then moving on Antonio Gibson.
Speaker 1: I think, you know, it's kind of hard to get
Speaker 1: out of my mind the images of Antonio Gibson fielding
Speaker 1: punts in practice last offseason, and then he didn't really
Speaker 1: do anything overly impressive last season. I mean, Neiva him
Speaker 1: Brian Robinson were particularly good. But where I'd give Gibson
Speaker 1: the slight edge over Robinson is Robinson just seems to
Speaker 1: be a zero in the passing game. So if I
Speaker 1: had to take one of them, I'd be better on
Speaker 1: Gibson out of the two of them. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: Gibson is as big and as fast as Jonathan Taylor.
Speaker 1: He's a converted college wide receiver, and he had double
Speaker 1: digit touchdowns in his first two NFL seasons. And oh,
Speaker 1: by the way, like if Scott Turner had kind of
Speaker 1: soured on Antonio Gibson, here comes Eric B Enemy to
Speaker 1: maybe give him second life. So I'm optimistic that'd be
Speaker 1: Enemy is a little bit more proactive in using Gibson
Speaker 1: than Scott Turner was in his final season with Washington.
Speaker 1: All Right, I'm gonna go with Deebo Samuel as a
Speaker 1: cell for sure. Yeah, Deebo was for one thing. I mean,
Speaker 1: he was slightly overaged when he came into the league.
Speaker 1: So even though it doesn't seem like he's been around
Speaker 1: that long. He's already twenty seven. And I just think
Speaker 1: the fourteen hundred yard receiving season he had in twenty
Speaker 1: twenty one was just like people still remember that, but
Speaker 1: it was a one off, purely a one off. I mean,
Speaker 1: Debo averaged less than fifty receiving yards a game last season,
Speaker 1: and there's so much in house target competition with Kittle,
Speaker 1: Ayouk McCaffrey. And there's also really no reason to feature
Speaker 1: Debo in the running game anymore now that they've got
Speaker 1: McCaffrey and Elijah Mitchell. So as much as I love
Speaker 1: this dude's game and think that there are just very
Speaker 1: few players more electric with the ball in their hands
Speaker 1: than Debo, his perceived value is greater than his actual value.
Speaker 1: Are you with me on that, Jacks one hundred thousand percent?
Speaker 1: I mean, in another one of these guys where it's
Speaker 1: like one of my favorite players in the NFL, I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, Dobbins and Kittle and Debo, these are like
Speaker 1: my favorite guys. I love these dudes, but that doesn't
Speaker 1: make the pickings. Oh love these guys, but that doesn't
Speaker 1: make them good fantasy assets. And I think Debo's way
Speaker 1: over priced. He was under priced coming into his big season,
Speaker 1: you know, and uh, you know everybody was IUK and
Speaker 1: I us the better quote unquote wide receiver than Debo.
Speaker 1: But Debo's a hell of a football player. And he
Speaker 1: had a lightning in a bottle season where he where
Speaker 1: he ran the ball sixty times. Like think about that.
Speaker 1: You know he ran the ball forty two times last year.
Speaker 1: I mean again, they're using him in that rush game.
Speaker 1: So he does have touchdown upside, but look, that's also
Speaker 1: a reason why he could be injured, and he can
Speaker 1: miss games, and he can be nicked up during games.
Speaker 1: And you know, a target is more valuable than a carry,
Speaker 1: and this dude's wasting a lot of his energy on
Speaker 1: these low, low, low volume, I mean, low calorie carries.
Speaker 1: Easy for me to say, yeah, Tom Debo, yeah completely.
Speaker 1: I mean, like like Jack said, you know, he was
Speaker 1: still rushing the ball last Yeah, it was exactly the
Speaker 1: same amount of attempts to pay a game as in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one, but he was just he was less
Speaker 1: productive with he was getting less yards. Is Russian touchdown
Speaker 1: rate dropped because so many of those touchdowns in twenty
Speaker 1: twenty one were big freaky touchdowns that looked like they
Speaker 1: weren't going to continue. His percentage of ten yard runs
Speaker 1: dropped last year. He only picked up eight first downs
Speaker 1: on forty one attempts. So it's not like he was
Speaker 1: really doing a great job with Russian work when he
Speaker 1: got there. And yeah, those kind of near line of
Speaker 1: scrimmage receptions that he was feeding off, CMC's taking some
Speaker 1: of them away, and it just seems very hard to
Speaker 1: project that. I feel like my struggle with this offense
Speaker 1: would be a lot easier to get over if perhaps
Speaker 1: brendan Ayuk was moved on and then you know, you know,
Speaker 1: you only had like Joan Jennings or one of the
Speaker 1: other depth wide receivers on the outside, then they would
Speaker 1: have for the scheme more to Kittle Samuel. But for now,
Speaker 1: both of them are screaming self for me. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: what's interesting if they did trade, are you both Kittle
Speaker 1: and Debo's value would would skyrocket, which would make them
Speaker 1: probably even a bigger saw at that point because you
Speaker 1: could sell them for more. So you know, it's funny
Speaker 1: how it is, but it's probably true. I mean, for
Speaker 1: for Redraft, obviously they'd be very good plays. But I
Speaker 1: think for those same reasons, they'd be sells. All right,
Speaker 1: let's go rapid fire with these last few gentlemen. Jack's
Speaker 1: who's next for you? Give me an elevator pitch, Yeah,
Speaker 1: elevator pitch. I mean DJ Moore sell just because the
Speaker 1: um the Chicago Bears had three hundred and seventy seven
Speaker 1: pass attempts, not not fields. The Bears had three hundred
Speaker 1: and seventy seven pass attempts last year and twenty two
Speaker 1: hundred total passing yards as a team that needs to
Speaker 1: go way up for for DJ Moore to hit his ceiling.
Speaker 1: I'm sure it'll go up. But boil boy, DJ moore
Speaker 1: yis the great thing? Is there at least three DJ
Speaker 1: Moore fan club members in every league, so you're never
Speaker 1: gonna have problems finding a market for him. But I
Speaker 1: totally agree. I mean, he's on a run first team
Speaker 1: with a run first quarterback right now, so hard to
Speaker 1: see any way around that. Jacks, or excuse me, Tom,
Speaker 1: who's next for you? I've got rashard why. I think
Speaker 1: a lot of people will be on either side of
Speaker 1: a coin of this one. But much like cam Akers,
Speaker 1: he's got a very straightforward path to having an awful
Speaker 1: lot of touches this season. I mean last year, Leonard
Speaker 1: Finett had two hundred and sixty one touches. White had
Speaker 1: one hundred and seventy five. It seems like if they
Speaker 1: were going to bring in Zeke or bring back Fournett,
Speaker 1: they would have done that already. And I don't believe
Speaker 1: the book's going to spend big draft capital on a
Speaker 1: running back because they're kind of in a soft rebuild.
Speaker 1: They need to allocate those resources elsewhere. And even if
Speaker 1: we do add somebody, I think it'll be late enough
Speaker 1: that we could still see White have tune and fifty
Speaker 1: touches this year. Well, we know Jack's agrees with that
Speaker 1: because he just got Rashad White for plus tax for JK. Dobbins,
Speaker 1: and like, don't I don't get why there's not more
Speaker 1: enthusiasm for a guy who's just you know, like has
Speaker 1: such a great three down profile. I'm gonna go with
Speaker 1: a guy as a cell who does not have a
Speaker 1: great three down profile. AJ Dillon. I mean, I was
Speaker 1: really in a Dillon a year ago and I ended
Speaker 1: up with him in multiple Dynasty leagues, and now I
Speaker 1: am out there selling like the Pacino character in Glengarry
Speaker 1: Glenn Ross. I mean, I had hoped Dylan was going
Speaker 1: to be more than just this between the tackles grinder.
Speaker 1: After he had a very efficient pass catching year in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one. He had a ninety two percent catch
Speaker 1: rate and average eight point five yards per target. And look,
Speaker 1: I knew Dylan was never going to be a high
Speaker 1: volume pass catcher, but like if he could at least
Speaker 1: provide some efficiency there and a little something in the
Speaker 1: passing game. But then last year, not much. Twenty eight catches,
Speaker 1: two hundred and sixty yards, a sixty five percent catch rate,
Speaker 1: just four point eight yards per target. Now Aaron Rodgers
Speaker 1: is gone, that offense is going to be worse with
Speaker 1: Jordan Love at quarterback, and I just don't think the
Speaker 1: Packers are going to have as many run friendly game
Speaker 1: scripts as they enter this retooling phase. So I just
Speaker 1: think Dylan has limited value in any PPR format and
Speaker 1: this is the time to move on. All right, Jacks,
Speaker 1: who's next for you? I think he makes sure I
Speaker 1: get my last one in. But Isaiah Pacheco sell, I
Speaker 1: love this. Isaiah Pacheco, what a fun runner. But I
Speaker 1: think there, you know, as a as a seventh round pick.
Speaker 1: It's just way, way too eerie, eerily similar to them,
Speaker 1: you know, James Robinson situation where everybody loved the player.
Speaker 1: I love the player, but he's guaranteed nothing going forward.
Speaker 1: I think he's probably going to be a pretty good
Speaker 1: player for a long period of time, but I don't
Speaker 1: think he's ever going to command a backfield. I may
Speaker 1: be wrong about that, but it could be way worse
Speaker 1: than that too. They could certainly replace him in the
Speaker 1: draft as they kind of have cleared the decks in
Speaker 1: the in the backfield. It's like Clyde Edwards Hilaire could
Speaker 1: come back. He's also not very He's actually probably not
Speaker 1: even as good as Isaiah Pacheco, but he's got the
Speaker 1: draft capital he might get an opportunity over him. So
Speaker 1: you know, there's a lot of, you know, questions around
Speaker 1: whether or not Pacheco will be tethered to any opportunity
Speaker 1: going forward, despite how good he's been. All right, And
Speaker 1: speaking of clearing the decks, I think we're down to
Speaker 1: just tight ends in our last and Tom, you've got
Speaker 1: two you want to just give us both barrels right now?
Speaker 1: I think you've got one. Buy in one cell. Let's
Speaker 1: I love one of them, love one of them. I'll
Speaker 1: give you the buye first. Juwan Johnson, you know, breakout
Speaker 1: season with Andy Dalton of all people, seven touchdowns were
Speaker 1: only behind Kittle and Kelsey last year, tied with Taysom Hill.
Speaker 1: But we don't need to talk about him. You know,
Speaker 1: we've seen Andy Dolan's moved on, but Derek cars there.
Speaker 1: And we've seen Derek Carr be productive with tight ends.
Speaker 1: Where it was Foster Morrow or Darren Waller, whether it
Speaker 1: was under John Gruden or Josh McDaniels, Derek Carr was
Speaker 1: a quarterback who doesn't mind tile getting his tight ends.
Speaker 1: I think in terms of current trade value, Juwan Johnson
Speaker 1: is round about three h five or three h six,
Speaker 1: which I mean I would rather take the batman any
Speaker 1: kind of pot shot. If you're trying to get a
Speaker 1: tight end in the third round of your rookie draft,
Speaker 1: I would much rather bet on somebody who was a
Speaker 1: former wide receiver and just come off a seven touchdown season.
Speaker 1: In terms of my other one, I got Evan Ingram,
Speaker 1: who was a cell. I just I'd find it easier
Speaker 1: to be on board if the two teams had actually
Speaker 1: come to a contract extension already, but playing on the
Speaker 1: Tiger kind of worry about where he might end up
Speaker 1: next year. I really don't enjoy betting on tight ends
Speaker 1: who are moving teams. Yeah, he had forty two targets
Speaker 1: over the last five weeks of the season, which feels
Speaker 1: like with perhaps just banking on that end of season
Speaker 1: production a little bit. He only had three games of
Speaker 1: fifteen PPR points all season, and you know Calvin Ridley's
Speaker 1: coming back. The team seemed very excited about him. They
Speaker 1: didn't use Evan Ingram a huge amount in the red zone.
Speaker 1: I think he had nine red zone targets last year,
Speaker 1: which to put in perspective Josh Oliver, who was a
Speaker 1: blocking tight end of Ravens and more than that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and Jowan Johnson. I saw the enthusiasm with Jacks there.
Speaker 1: And just one thing that worries me. I thought I
Speaker 1: heard a Saints beat writer saying that the Saints were
Speaker 1: maybe kicking the tires on Foster Moreau, who you've just mentioned,
Speaker 1: which would be it wouldn't be ruinous to Juwan Johnson's
Speaker 1: fantasy value by any means, but that would be kind
Speaker 1: of annoying, I think for people who are enthusiastic about
Speaker 1: Juan Johnson. All right, Jacks, close us out. Who's your
Speaker 1: final guy? And I love this one? Man? Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean you gotta end it with Chig, right, I mean
Speaker 1: everybody loves Chig. I wonder a last Tom, would you
Speaker 1: trade Evan Ingram for Chig? A qu quo? Oh yeah, yeah, definitely.
Speaker 1: I mean Chig was so exciting down the stretch fab
Speaker 1: the end. I mean, you know, he had two point
Speaker 1: five yards per run, which was not just fit like
Speaker 1: the third high tight ends, it was a third highest
Speaker 1: Suman gold pass catches with ten catches on more in
Speaker 1: that spell. So yeah, all in on Chick. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean he's he's an exciting player. His profile is a
Speaker 1: little bit outside the norm for elite tight end play,
Speaker 1: but man, he showed it and once you show it
Speaker 1: in the NFL, that means you can do it. And
Speaker 1: if they decide to go back to him, I think
Speaker 1: he's a he's a I guess he's a buy. I
Speaker 1: don't know exactly how expensive he is. In some leagues,
Speaker 1: he's gonna his price will vary dramatically and for some
Speaker 1: you'll have to pay up way too much. The owner
Speaker 1: who's who's rostering him now will be way too excited,
Speaker 1: so just forget about it. But in some spots you'll
Speaker 1: be able to squeeze him into trades and MYO, my,
Speaker 1: he could be He's got ceiling so I'm in gentlemen.
Speaker 1: We advertise twenty dynasty buy sell targets. We gave the
Speaker 1: people twenty one. We over delivered. I want to thank
Speaker 1: both of you for coming on. This was a great time.
Speaker 1: That's Tom. In fact, it was such a good time.
Speaker 1: I don't think I'm gonna let Scott Bogman come back
Speaker 1: next week. So clear your calendars, guys for next week.
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