Speaker 1: Welcome back everybody. It's a Fantasy pros Dynasty Fantasy football podcast.
Speaker 1: I'm your host, Scott Bogman. Follow me on the Twitter
Speaker 1: at Bogman Sports. I'm joined as always buy Pat Fitzmoors
Speaker 1: at fits Underscore, ff on the Twitter Machine Fitzy Mailbag
Speaker 1: episode today, It's gonna be a fun one. You went
Speaker 1: to Twitter, you got questions from everybody, good questions too.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this before we start answering the
Speaker 1: actual football questions. Because you have guests on your show
Speaker 1: all the time, do you have like a non fantasy
Speaker 1: question you like to ask people, or a non football
Speaker 1: question you like to ask people when you're interviewing them.
Speaker 1: Let's see, bogs So, I like talking to people about
Speaker 1: music and food, but I also like talking to people
Speaker 1: about where they live, and you know, just asking them
Speaker 1: like what is the best thing about your home town
Speaker 1: or what is the worst thing about it? And like
Speaker 1: the answers are always pretty interesting and a lot of things.
Speaker 1: People come up with a lot of answers. I wouldn't
Speaker 1: have anticipated. What's the most obscure one you got? Oh Man, Like,
Speaker 1: that's a good question. I'm trying to think of. Yeah,
Speaker 1: off the top of my head. Man, I can't think
Speaker 1: of that, but no quirky thing like mine if you're
Speaker 1: asking me that, which he didn't, but I'll answer it
Speaker 1: anyway because I'm a narcissist. The best thing about living
Speaker 1: here to me because I'm a night owl. Like I'm
Speaker 1: up late into the wee hours of the morning pretty
Speaker 1: much every day. That's just the way I'm built, you know,
Speaker 1: through college and all that stuff. I'm working at a
Speaker 1: restaurant and i'd work late into the morning, so I
Speaker 1: kind of have adapted that schedule. So for me, the
Speaker 1: best part about moving from Arizona to Texas is noon kickoffs.
Speaker 1: I hated the ten am kickoffs every single Sunday, So
Speaker 1: I love that. The thing that I disliked the most
Speaker 1: about living into EXAs is where I live is far
Speaker 1: from everything. It takes me an hour to get into
Speaker 1: Houston because of the traffic. Nothing is close. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm here to take help take care of my mom,
Speaker 1: and her doctors are like forty five minutes away. So
Speaker 1: whenever we want to go somewhere that's not like a
Speaker 1: fast food place, it's it's gonna be an adventure because
Speaker 1: of the traffic and uh, you know, it's Texas, everything
Speaker 1: spread out, So that would be my answer to that.
Speaker 1: Now that you just mentioned, well I was talking. This
Speaker 1: isn't obscure, But I was just talking to Alex Dunlap
Speaker 1: of Roster Watch, who lives in the Austin area, you know,
Speaker 1: from when we had the Fantasy Pros company trip to
Speaker 1: Dallas this year, and like I was kind of driving
Speaker 1: around Dallas. You see all these chain taco places, and man,
Speaker 1: like I would love a chain taco place. Up here
Speaker 1: in the Chicago area, we've got Taco Belt that's really
Speaker 1: the only one. And like in Austin they've got Torchiese
Speaker 1: and all these other ones, and you know, not of
Speaker 1: torchies in Austin and Dallas. Yeah yeah, And um, Alex
Speaker 1: was like, I'm just drinking out of he was drinking
Speaker 1: something out of a torchies He had picked up Torchies
Speaker 1: that morning and had like a Torchiese breakfast taco. So um, yeah,
Speaker 1: he could appreciate that. And he also said like that
Speaker 1: Austin is just full of like great taco trucks that
Speaker 1: are all over the place that I have in abundance
Speaker 1: in my neighborhood. So there's like, you know, I got
Speaker 1: to pick the taco truck with the shortest line if
Speaker 1: I want to go to a taco truck here. So uh,
Speaker 1: those we have an abundance. So that is that is
Speaker 1: something that I absolutely take for granted. And if I
Speaker 1: if I went up north for an experience extended period
Speaker 1: of time, I'd be very upset that I couldn't go
Speaker 1: get Taketo's in the morning or whatever, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. Like, Uh, so so that I like that one.
Speaker 1: I like that one about like where the people live,
Speaker 1: um in Scottsdale. Uh. For me, if I was answering
Speaker 1: the question for Scottsdale, it would be the weather is
Speaker 1: the best thing, and then the worst thing would also
Speaker 1: be the weather. So that's probably how I'd answer it,
Speaker 1: because you know, from November to April is probably the
Speaker 1: best place in the world to live, and then from
Speaker 1: May to October not so much fun, way too hot,
Speaker 1: and it it gives you lizard skin too, unless you're
Speaker 1: constantly rubbing lotion into your or you turn into a
Speaker 1: vampire like myself because you just never go outside. So
Speaker 1: you know, that's that's what it is. It's one of
Speaker 1: those two. But let's get to the football we're gonna answer.
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Speaker 1: bag questions here, FITZI. And the first one is from
Speaker 1: our boy, Pigbird. Pigbird always joins us on the discord
Speaker 1: every single Friday where they're at five Eastern, so check
Speaker 1: that out if you would. But I love this question.
Speaker 1: It says what do the two of you disagree about
Speaker 1: most strenuously and why is Bogman wrong? So probably because
Speaker 1: Pat put the question out there, I probably would have
Speaker 1: got the why is Pat wrong? If I had asked
Speaker 1: the question. But I don't know if there's anything. I
Speaker 1: think there's players that we disagree on, But is there
Speaker 1: anything fundamentally do you think that you and I disagree
Speaker 1: on vehemently? No, I mean, I'm sure we have minor
Speaker 1: philosophical differences about team building and we do have some
Speaker 1: disagreements on players. We covered some of those when we
Speaker 1: did the shows earlier this year talking about our positional rankings. Bogman.
Speaker 1: But let me sand bag you here with something totally new,
Speaker 1: and I almost feel guilty, Like this is this is
Speaker 1: a like a heel turn for me. This is me
Speaker 1: turning on my tag team partner and like hitting him
Speaker 1: with a steel chair. Um. So, I feel like Marty Gannetti,
Speaker 1: already you do, man, this is like me super kicking
Speaker 1: you through a plate glass window. Bogman. Um, I'm totally
Speaker 1: out on George Pickens, out on George Pickens, complete out
Speaker 1: on George Pickens. And what's the reasoning? Yeah? So, Um,
Speaker 1: I was kind of doing a sweep of my dynasty
Speaker 1: and redraft rankings post free agency, pre NFL Draft, and
Speaker 1: it was just kind of digging into some of the
Speaker 1: guys in spots where there were, you know, there was
Speaker 1: some grouping. I wanted to find some ways to differentiate
Speaker 1: some of these guys. I kind of went down this
Speaker 1: rabbit hole with George Pickens and some advanced stats, and um,
Speaker 1: you know, I love that he's got He's got this
Speaker 1: sexy game where he's just such a beast at the
Speaker 1: contact points as that even though he's not as big
Speaker 1: as DK Metcalf, he plays bullyball like DK Metcalf will
Speaker 1: just like throw guys around and run blocking. He's very physical,
Speaker 1: very physical for a kind of a thin, thin built dude. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but um, big concerns for me, Bogman one ability to
Speaker 1: draw its targets, and he didn't have more than eight
Speaker 1: targets in any game last year and didn't have more
Speaker 1: than six in any game after Week six. That's kind
Speaker 1: of a problem. And the other one is like he
Speaker 1: did pretty poorly in some advanced stats like next gen
Speaker 1: stuff as far as separation cushion, and he was one
Speaker 1: of the worst in the league last year as far
Speaker 1: as yardage after catch I think just two yards per
Speaker 1: catch um in terms of yaks. So really the only
Speaker 1: big plus for him was just like his ability to
Speaker 1: win in the contested catch situations. And like, maybe he
Speaker 1: turns out to be Does Bryant, a guy who is
Speaker 1: not known as being a great separator, and you know,
Speaker 1: commands a lot of targets nonetheless and has a bunch
Speaker 1: of wide receiver one seasons. But like, there're just some
Speaker 1: red flags for me. Where I think maybe he's a
Speaker 1: little overvalued and people aren't worrying as much as they
Speaker 1: should about this target drawing ability and some of the
Speaker 1: other stuff. His ability to separate and his ability to
Speaker 1: make yards after the catch. The yards after the catch
Speaker 1: is probably the most concerning thing that you mentioned there.
Speaker 1: The separation. I don't care as much about that because
Speaker 1: he's a contested catch guy, and he's big and he's physical.
Speaker 1: You know, if if this was a smaller guy that
Speaker 1: we're talking about that couldn't separate, or a guy like
Speaker 1: Nikil Harry who is just he doesn't separate. He was
Speaker 1: great at the catch point in college. He's not done
Speaker 1: it in the pros at all, whatsoever. You know, sometimes
Speaker 1: a game just doesn't translate. That I understand. But the
Speaker 1: separation stuff, he's the fifty fifty balls or eighty twenty
Speaker 1: going to pickens, right, He's so good at the catch point.
Speaker 1: The other thing is, you know, he was dealing with
Speaker 1: a rookie quarterback for half the season, an inaccurate Mitch Trubisky,
Speaker 1: you know, the half before that. So it's those two
Speaker 1: guys he's dealing with in a Matt Canada offense that wouldn't.
Speaker 1: They wouldn't allow Kenny Pickett to audible, So it's not
Speaker 1: like Pickett could put his guy in a better situation,
Speaker 1: change a route, whatever, you know. So I think they're
Speaker 1: gonna put Pickens in better chances for success after the
Speaker 1: catch throwing some shorter passes because like you said, he's physical.
Speaker 1: He's physical with the ball in his hands too, so
Speaker 1: you need to set up some shorter passes for him
Speaker 1: and stuff. But he was the downhill guy where Deonte
Speaker 1: was getting everything over the middle, and Pat was the
Speaker 1: outlook guy, the short guy to do stuff after the
Speaker 1: catch with the football. So I think because he was
Speaker 1: more of a field stretcher this year and that was
Speaker 1: his usage. That's why you didn't see a lot of
Speaker 1: yak a lot of amazing catches from him because they
Speaker 1: were off target from Trabisky and Pickett as well. So
Speaker 1: he's just so good at the catchpoint. I think he's
Speaker 1: gonna be okay, and I think he'll get better. But
Speaker 1: the yac, the yak is concerning, and I can I
Speaker 1: can understand that. So yeah, so Pickings that that's probably
Speaker 1: the thing that we disagree on the most after your
Speaker 1: advanced research. Yeah, I think little things, you know, Like
Speaker 1: you said, philosophical, I'm more of a win now guy.
Speaker 1: You know, I want to win in the first two
Speaker 1: years of a dynasty league. And for me, it's more
Speaker 1: because I've seen so many dynasty leagues come and go,
Speaker 1: so I want to get the money early and then
Speaker 1: if we are going to play longer, I'll do my rebuild.
Speaker 1: But I want to win quick. So that is that's
Speaker 1: probably the biggest difference we have. You're more of a
Speaker 1: three year window. I'm a kind of a one to
Speaker 1: two year window guy. I like to do my rankings
Speaker 1: in a three year window because I do believe that's
Speaker 1: how more people play. But you know, if we're splitting hairs,
Speaker 1: I'll go with the guy that's going to be better
Speaker 1: now so than the guy with potential. So that's probably
Speaker 1: the biggest philosophical difference we have. Pickbird also asked this question,
Speaker 1: which I love after like such a philosophical question. To start,
Speaker 1: he throws, what rookie pick is? What round rookie pick
Speaker 1: is Kendrick Bourne worth A very player specific one. I
Speaker 1: don't know, like a six or a seven. Not very
Speaker 1: high for Kendrick Bourne right now? Right, Yeah, probably anything
Speaker 1: at the bottom of the draft. I mean, I don't
Speaker 1: want to totally disc Kendrick Bourne. He has strung together
Speaker 1: five straight seasons with like at least thirty catches every year.
Speaker 1: He's good. The Patriots that don't like him and they
Speaker 1: don't throw the ball that much, you know, they didn't
Speaker 1: like him last year for some reason. Like I remember
Speaker 1: the reports where he was kind of in the doghouse
Speaker 1: with them in training camp. But that was after sort
Speaker 1: of a surprising twenty twenty one season from him, where
Speaker 1: he was the wide receiver thirty three in PPR. But unfortunately,
Speaker 1: like that has been the absolute ceiling for Kendrick barnewide
Speaker 1: receiver thirty three, and like there's been a little indication
Speaker 1: that he's going to get back to that ceiling anytime soon.
Speaker 1: So I think you're just taking whatever you could get
Speaker 1: for him, pig bird. Yeah, yeah, pretty much, you know,
Speaker 1: and if it's nothing, maybe just hold on if you
Speaker 1: have the roster spot and see what he does. You know,
Speaker 1: I would really like to see him somewhere else, but
Speaker 1: we'll see if that happens. The next question from the
Speaker 1: on Twitter f Mad scientist Aaron He says, which twenty
Speaker 1: twenty three rookie tight ends do you think could find
Speaker 1: their way into the tight end one range within two
Speaker 1: to three years? Mayor Washington, Kountz, Laporta, Kincaide, musk Grave,
Speaker 1: lots of options. What do you think Fitzy among the
Speaker 1: tight ends here? Yeah, first of all, shout out to
Speaker 1: Aaron who was in my Scott Fish Bowl division last year,
Speaker 1: a really good guy. And yeah, I mean the guys
Speaker 1: just like off the top of my head who I
Speaker 1: think have a reasonable chance to become tight end ones
Speaker 1: in a fairly short time window, Dalton Kincaid, Mike Mayer,
Speaker 1: Darnell Washington, although you and I both expressed concerns that
Speaker 1: Washington might not be just you know, he might be
Speaker 1: this guy who's used more as a blocker and that
Speaker 1: kind of inhibits his pass catching role. Luke Musgrave, who
Speaker 1: I know Scott Bogman is a huge fan of. And
Speaker 1: uh Sam Laporta, who I think is going to benefit
Speaker 1: from some much better quarterbacking than he saw at the
Speaker 1: University of Iowa. And then like there's some guys with
Speaker 1: a chance like Tucker Craft, Luke Schoonmaker, Zach Coon's Will,
Speaker 1: Mallory Coonson, Mallory were kind of like combine stars. You know,
Speaker 1: craft a small school guy from what's South Dakota State,
Speaker 1: is that his craft is a South could a stake guy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: sou really interesting deep tight end class. And you know,
Speaker 1: considering it doesn't take all that much to crack the
Speaker 1: lower end of tight end one range these days, I
Speaker 1: think there are a lot of guys with the chance
Speaker 1: to get there. I mean, I wouldn't be surprised if
Speaker 1: Mayor got there quicker than all these other guys, because
Speaker 1: I think he's the most pro ready. I think he
Speaker 1: has less upside than you know, Kincaid, Musgrave and Laporta,
Speaker 1: maybe Washington too, just because Washington is so unbelievably gifted athletically.
Speaker 1: So but I would say Mayor is your quickest plug
Speaker 1: in play, and he can do everything pretty pretty well
Speaker 1: right now. But I think all those other guys have
Speaker 1: probably have a higher upside than him. But tight end
Speaker 1: is the most difficult position to translate from college success
Speaker 1: to the NFL, because they're asking you to to do so much.
Speaker 1: You gotta block, you know, you gotta block t J.
Speaker 1: Watt and Miles Garrett and those guys at least gotta
Speaker 1: chip them, and you gotta beat Roquan Smith over the middle. Uh.
Speaker 1: And you know you gotta run good routes. You got
Speaker 1: to catch the ball. Uh, you got to body up
Speaker 1: these corners and safety. So it's not just you know,
Speaker 1: running back is easy because it's here's the ball run.
Speaker 1: You know, pass blocking is the hardest thing for those
Speaker 1: guys to pick up. Tight ends take a little bit longer.
Speaker 1: So but yeah, like to crack the you know, the
Speaker 1: bottom end of the top twelve. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: right now we have Goddard commit if you want to
Speaker 1: put David and Joku in there, Greg Dolkitch, Evan Ingram,
Speaker 1: Dalton Schultz. You know, Darren Waller has been healthy for
Speaker 1: a couple of years. Like, you know, these guys, these
Speaker 1: guys could crack it rather quickly if they find success
Speaker 1: immediately in the NFL. So there's I mean, then that's
Speaker 1: what makes this tight end class so good. There's so
Speaker 1: many of them, so uh yeah, I think I think
Speaker 1: most of those guys could do it. Um. Next one
Speaker 1: up here is from P two W Dynasty Nick on Twitter.
Speaker 1: He says, when someone says the phrase high risk, high reward,
Speaker 1: who is the first player that to your mind if
Speaker 1: you were actively in a dynasty startup, so high risk,
Speaker 1: high reward. Is there one player that jumps out to you,
Speaker 1: FITZI yeah, great question here from my guy Nick Scrip,
Speaker 1: who does some excellent video work. So in super Flex,
Speaker 1: a couple of guys come to mind right off the
Speaker 1: bat to a tongue of Eloa. Who could be a
Speaker 1: top twelve quarterback for the next decade or you know,
Speaker 1: the next year. Yeah, out of the league next year
Speaker 1: if the concussion thing persists and becomes career threatening. So
Speaker 1: he's a big one. I put Trey Lance in that
Speaker 1: bucket too, especially he is with a team that clearly
Speaker 1: does not value him very much and burned a lot
Speaker 1: of draft capital to get him, and yet would rather
Speaker 1: start rock Party next year, a guy who just had
Speaker 1: Tommy John surgery basically, So yeah, I mean, like, I
Speaker 1: still think Lance is really talented dude, and I kind
Speaker 1: of don't agree with the way the forty nine ers
Speaker 1: have handled him so far. I mean, he barely played
Speaker 1: last year. One of his games was in a monsoon
Speaker 1: in Chicago, you know, another he breaks his foot and
Speaker 1: he's done. So, Like, the guy hasn't had much of
Speaker 1: a chance. But I think he is still uber talented
Speaker 1: and could be like a difference making fantasy quarterback potentially.
Speaker 1: So those two guys pits for me. Kyle Pitts was
Speaker 1: the one that came to my mind because we know
Speaker 1: the skill is in there, we know he has it right,
Speaker 1: but there's bad quarterback play in Atlanta right now. It's
Speaker 1: either Desmond Ridder or Heineke this year. Maybe they're trying
Speaker 1: to bottom out to get Caleb Williams next year. We're
Speaker 1: not sure they could. They could, they have the horses
Speaker 1: to move up if they wanted to, but it doesn't
Speaker 1: seem like that's what they want to do. They want
Speaker 1: to get ridd of a shot. They're kind of the
Speaker 1: opposite of San Francisco right where it seems like they
Speaker 1: don't want to give Trey Lance the shot and Atlanta
Speaker 1: wants to get rid of the shot, and we're kind
Speaker 1: of like, I don't know if he's the guy. And
Speaker 1: you have a run first offense from Arthur Smith, so
Speaker 1: the pat thing is going to be limited. They added
Speaker 1: Drake London, who's another you know, red zone, big body
Speaker 1: type of a guy, and they're definitely going to add
Speaker 1: more receiving talent. To me, it's the nature of this
Speaker 1: offense and the quarterback play for pitts, because we know
Speaker 1: the talent is in there. I think, like you said, Fitzy,
Speaker 1: the rest of the running backs and wide receivers you
Speaker 1: kind of you kind of know what you're getting. I
Speaker 1: think the high risk, high reward might be guys like
Speaker 1: Christian Watson, who like a lot of his production is
Speaker 1: going to come from touchdowns. I think it was like
Speaker 1: thirty three percent somewhere in that neighborhood last year of
Speaker 1: his production was from scores and now they're you know,
Speaker 1: looks like they're going to Jordan Love. So how many
Speaker 1: touchdowns are the packer is going to be scoring? Is
Speaker 1: he going to have enough of an opportunity with a
Speaker 1: new QB to do that? So that you know those guys.
Speaker 1: So what I think of, and it's not necessarily just
Speaker 1: because of them, is about the pieces around them as well.
Speaker 1: So you know, when you're looking at non qbs, any
Speaker 1: other qbes pop out to you, Yeah, just to piggyback
Speaker 1: on the pits thing. Like, to me, there's not even
Speaker 1: like I don't even see the risk there, it's just
Speaker 1: are you willing to um? It might be a case
Speaker 1: of delayed gratification because they need to get the quarterback
Speaker 1: thing right and they might need to you know, eventually.
Speaker 1: Well that was so for this question in particular because
Speaker 1: of dynasty startup. That's why I pick Pitts very Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's fair. Yeah, you know if they might also need
Speaker 1: to wait until they eventually throw Arthur Smith overboard and
Speaker 1: get a play caller who isn't straight out of the
Speaker 1: paleolithic era. Um, So yeah, maybe cam akers Um a
Speaker 1: guy who we have in small sample sizes see him
Speaker 1: perform really really well. And we've also seen some other
Speaker 1: sample sizes like the playoffs two years ago where he
Speaker 1: just seemed like he was stuck in the mud um
Speaker 1: going against some really good defenses though as a possible excuse,
Speaker 1: and then last year where he couldn't even get onto
Speaker 1: the field for some of the season. So he's an
Speaker 1: interesting case because I think there's a lot to like
Speaker 1: in his profile, but like we've seen some really good
Speaker 1: bursts from him and some really kind of scary bursts
Speaker 1: of like non usage or ineffectiveness. Yeah, yeah, absolutely so.
Speaker 1: High risk high reward is always just think of the
Speaker 1: most fun players, and that's usually who is in there sometimes.
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Speaker 1: this next question that we have here, and I did
Speaker 1: some prep work specifically for this question. Fantasy football buddy
Speaker 1: guy Dan, what metrics or data do you find to
Speaker 1: be most helpful or sticky when evaluating incoming rookies and
Speaker 1: where where can you find said metrics? Now, there's a
Speaker 1: lot of great places for metrics pretty much any football site.
Speaker 1: We have some Fantasy Pros. PFF is a big one,
Speaker 1: Football Outsiders is a big one. Football Guys is a
Speaker 1: big one. You know. All these places have metrics. I
Speaker 1: like some of the metrics that you can get in
Speaker 1: certain places and some that you can get pretty much anywhere.
Speaker 1: And I'm a big PF guy. You know, our guy Ericson.
Speaker 1: I was reading his stuff before he was he came
Speaker 1: over here to Fantasy Pros when he was at PFF.
Speaker 1: I'm a you know, subscriber to all their stuff. So
Speaker 1: a couple that I've found that I like for running backs,
Speaker 1: missackles forced is a big one, you know, and that
Speaker 1: is this is one where Bijon particularly stands out. He
Speaker 1: has like fifty more broken tackles over the last two
Speaker 1: years in any other running back in the country. It's
Speaker 1: unbelievable how many missackles forced he has had. Breakaway yards. Now,
Speaker 1: I like breakaway yards over breakaway percentage fits because breakaway
Speaker 1: yards the total is better because those are the guys
Speaker 1: that are all also have the most carrious right so
Speaker 1: it may not be one big chunk. Breakaway percentage is nice,
Speaker 1: but all that does really is show that a guy
Speaker 1: is fast, you know. Breakaway yard shows that a guy
Speaker 1: is fast and he is big enough to carry the
Speaker 1: bulk of the yards for the most part, because those
Speaker 1: guys are, you know, three yards in a cloud of
Speaker 1: dust and then you break one big one, you know,
Speaker 1: So breakaway yards is a big one. But my favorite
Speaker 1: one that is specific for running backs would be the
Speaker 1: Elusive grade from PFF. And just if you go back
Speaker 1: from twenty twenty, twenty twenty one down to twenty twenty two,
Speaker 1: you see guys, you know that had success. In twenty twenty,
Speaker 1: Javante was like top five, Bijean was top five, Jamir Gibbs,
Speaker 1: who's in this draft, was in their Romandre Stevenson, Michael Carter,
Speaker 1: Khalil Herbert. In twenty twenty one, Kenry Miller, Dway McBride,
Speaker 1: Taji Spears, Bijean, Kenneth Walker, Roshan, Damian Pierce all in
Speaker 1: that top twenty five of Elusive Grade, and then last
Speaker 1: year Roshan, Bijean, McBride, Spears, BIGSB Cameron. People's all guys
Speaker 1: that are coming into the draft. It's not a one
Speaker 1: for one. It doesn't always work, but for running backs,
Speaker 1: those are my favorite for wide receivers. It's yards per
Speaker 1: route run is my favorite. I like a dot um,
Speaker 1: you know, for more of those field stretcher guys, contested
Speaker 1: catches for the smaller guys to see, you know, if
Speaker 1: they're budied up, can they get the ball? But yards
Speaker 1: per route run that is and Ericson pointed this out
Speaker 1: on an IL show a long time ago, and I
Speaker 1: paid attention to it ever since. Then yards per out
Speaker 1: run is if I'm picking one stat to evaluate a
Speaker 1: wide receiver coming in the league, that is the stat
Speaker 1: that I use. And same thing as I said, like,
Speaker 1: you know, in twenty twenty, Tavante Smith, Elijah Moore, Chris Olavi,
Speaker 1: Chris Or, Kyle Pitts, Shakier, Trey lamp Burkes, Garrett Wilson,
Speaker 1: Dobbs Dots and Tony Amari Rodgers, you know, twenty twenty one,
Speaker 1: JSN Burkes, Wandale London, Pukunakua, Sky Moore, Jamison, Garrett Wilson.
Speaker 1: And then last year a lot of guys that are
Speaker 1: coming in you know, Hyatt Marvin Harrison Jr. Is not
Speaker 1: eligible yet, but a stud Quintin Johnston for she Rice
Speaker 1: Jordan Addison, Xavier Hutchinson, Charlie Jones. All these guys are
Speaker 1: in the top thirty that are coming in, So it's
Speaker 1: not perfect. I'm not looking for one stat. But you
Speaker 1: kind of combine this with why watching these guys play, right,
Speaker 1: you know, some of these guys are NFL caliber. They
Speaker 1: get invited to the Senior Bowl, to the combine to
Speaker 1: all these things. Plus they look good and they have
Speaker 1: these these metrics. It's a combination of all of them.
Speaker 1: But when I'm looking at numbers specifically, those are the
Speaker 1: things that I like to look at. What fits is
Speaker 1: You're got anything to add on to my babbling here? Yeah, Box,
Speaker 1: you've done. You've done a pretty good job listing some
Speaker 1: of the performance stats, although sometimes just as a warning,
Speaker 1: I mean, I think some performance stats in especially for
Speaker 1: college players, can be a little bit noisy and for
Speaker 1: some of the same reasons. Is a big thing there, right,
Speaker 1: level of competition, I mean SEC. You know, if a
Speaker 1: guy averages five point six yards in the SEC, not
Speaker 1: necessarily a bad thing. If a guy averages five point
Speaker 1: six yards a carry in Conference USA, um, you know,
Speaker 1: maybe that's not not as good great as sign or
Speaker 1: a guy's got Bryce Young or C. J. Stroud as
Speaker 1: his quarterback versus and Grammertz or Spencer Petros and this quarterback,
Speaker 1: just to name a couple of the mediocre Big Ten
Speaker 1: quarterbacks I've been sentenced to watch quite a bit of
Speaker 1: the last couple of falls. I'll go with more of
Speaker 1: an answer based on athleticism because I think that's so
Speaker 1: important in evaluating the prospects. And one of my favorite
Speaker 1: sources for info on the rookies and their athleticism is
Speaker 1: player profiler dot com. Are friends over there, Matt Kelly,
Speaker 1: Cody Carpentier. They track all of the testing numbers and
Speaker 1: some of their real useful stats are speed score and
Speaker 1: burst score. Speed score basically takes a guy's forty but
Speaker 1: factors in his weight and comes up with this score.
Speaker 1: And I don't I believe it was Bill Barnwell who
Speaker 1: invented speed score, but player profile, player profiler dot com
Speaker 1: there's a great job of tracking it and giving you
Speaker 1: the speed score for everyone, telling you what percentile they're
Speaker 1: in based on their time and weights. First score, which
Speaker 1: is kind of a similar thing combining their jumping, broad jumping,
Speaker 1: vertical jump with their weights. And then they also have
Speaker 1: like some performance to breakout age and what how old
Speaker 1: was a player when he first became a significant contributor
Speaker 1: to his college team and college dominator rating, which is
Speaker 1: basically like a measure of touch share for a player
Speaker 1: in college. So player profiler dot com is also a
Speaker 1: really good source for studying prospects. Yeah, I hope that helped. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so that was good answers. I feel like for that one,
Speaker 1: I am feel proud of our answers there. So hopefully
Speaker 1: that helped we go to fish Gambler. Ryan asked us,
Speaker 1: there seems to be no better time to sell the
Speaker 1: one point one than right now. Bijan's value can only
Speaker 1: go down. Disagree there? If he lands behind a solid VET,
Speaker 1: people may choose a QB over him in super flex.
Speaker 1: What are some trade packages you would accept for the
Speaker 1: one point one in super Uh? You know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Fitz knows. My answer is there's no package I'm taking Bijean,
Speaker 1: but fits I will I will pass it to you here. Yeah, exactly,
Speaker 1: And uh, you know, if he does land with a VET,
Speaker 1: it's not Bijean whose workload is threatened. I'll say that
Speaker 1: much where Stabler, let's do that. Where can you land
Speaker 1: that would actually hurt San Francisco. Yeah, I mean there
Speaker 1: are places, right, He's not going to San Francisco. He's
Speaker 1: not going to Indie, He's not going to you know, Giants,
Speaker 1: the Jets, the Giants, any of these teams with great
Speaker 1: running backs are not going to take. Dallas is really
Speaker 1: the only place I feel like, could you know, because
Speaker 1: Pollard is great and pot but Pollard is great. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that would kind of suck if they had Bijean be
Speaker 1: an early down guy Pollard be a late down guy
Speaker 1: that would just devalue the same role. God, that would suck.
Speaker 1: I would not like that. Yeah, And I mean the
Speaker 1: same maybe a little lessons because I don't think he'd
Speaker 1: get quite as many relief carries for Bijon as he
Speaker 1: would for Ezekiel Elliott. But yeah, so I mean, I
Speaker 1: guess when I think of this, bogs like straight up,
Speaker 1: there was only one guy I could think of with
Speaker 1: like really similar value. And you might disagree with this,
Speaker 1: but I think like Cede Lamb would be a fair
Speaker 1: one for one exchange, pretty close to fair. Different types
Speaker 1: of players, different positions, but I think Ceedee Lamb has
Speaker 1: you know, a guy who is an up and coming
Speaker 1: superstar and has a long window. You know, he is
Speaker 1: just coming into his prime. Yeah, I think wide receivers
Speaker 1: last longer too, So that's more than fair. I think
Speaker 1: justin Jefferson, you know, like the top end wide receivers,
Speaker 1: if you want to do one for one, sure, but
Speaker 1: what about a package in super Flex? Is there like
Speaker 1: would you do like Kirk Cousins and the one oh
Speaker 1: five in a super Flex? Or is that going too
Speaker 1: far down the QB barrel? Like what plus like moving
Speaker 1: back four or five spots in the draft? What QB
Speaker 1: plus moving back four or five spots in the draft
Speaker 1: would it take for you to give up one point
Speaker 1: oh one, which we assume would be sean all right?
Speaker 1: So like I wouldn't if I was only going to
Speaker 1: go down to say one oh three in super Flex?
Speaker 1: Like to me, there's kind of a shelf after one
Speaker 1: h two, And you you are much more trusting of
Speaker 1: Anthony Richardson than Ironbog so like I'm not very trusting
Speaker 1: of him. I just the upside is incredible, Sure, I
Speaker 1: get it. I get it. So for me to one
Speaker 1: h two and one oh three are stroud and Bryce young?
Speaker 1: So to drop from one oh one to a position
Speaker 1: where I could get one of those guys like I
Speaker 1: wouldn't necessarily need that much. I'd maybe just want like
Speaker 1: a good younger wide receiver thrown in his juice, like
Speaker 1: Brandon Ayouk, Terry McLaurin, Johan Dotson, either the Washington guys
Speaker 1: or Ayouk, like really solid young receivers. I think that
Speaker 1: might be enough to move me off Bijean, Like if
Speaker 1: I already felt pretty good about my running back situation
Speaker 1: and like, you know, could use a quarterback perhaps so
Speaker 1: wouldn't take too much, although those are certainly valuable young receivers.
Speaker 1: M But if I was going to go down to
Speaker 1: a spot that I didn't feel great about in the
Speaker 1: first round, like one O nine or something like that,
Speaker 1: I think i'd also want like a twenty twenty four first,
Speaker 1: maybe a twenty twenty four first and second, or a
Speaker 1: twenty twenty four first, and like a useful young piece,
Speaker 1: you know, maybe a guy like Dulsitch or cam Akers
Speaker 1: or someone like that. Right, I UM, for me, it's
Speaker 1: hard Beijean is one of the players coming in the
Speaker 1: draft that could easily be one point on one for
Speaker 1: the next couple of years, which doesn't happen a lot.
Speaker 1: Breece Hall seemed like that guy too when he, you know,
Speaker 1: started his running as a rookie in the NFL before
Speaker 1: getting hurt, So we didn't expect him to be that Beijean.
Speaker 1: We do expect to be that and I understand, you know,
Speaker 1: because I have this in base as well. In baseball.
Speaker 1: For me, it's the time to trade the minor league
Speaker 1: guys in a dynasty is right before they get to
Speaker 1: the bigs, because their hype is never going to be bigger,
Speaker 1: which is exactly what's going on with Bijon right now.
Speaker 1: It's right before he comes in the league. His hype
Speaker 1: is enormous. Everyone's talking about one point one and trying
Speaker 1: to get it. I understand that it seems like there's
Speaker 1: nowhere to go but down. But this is a type
Speaker 1: of guy that can be Christian McCaffrey for the next
Speaker 1: couple of years. He can be that Ladanian Tomlinson that
Speaker 1: that was in your league. He can be. I'm not
Speaker 1: saying he absolutely will. Nothing is guaranteed in the NFL,
Speaker 1: but in terms of success in college and what you
Speaker 1: see on tape, and you know, compare him to NFL backs,
Speaker 1: he's he is he is it. There's no running back
Speaker 1: coming in next year that's going to be him, you know.
Speaker 1: So he is going to be the best back over
Speaker 1: the last couple of years of drafts, and it's hard
Speaker 1: for me to trade that. But I am part of
Speaker 1: the reason that his hype has been pushed because I've
Speaker 1: been talking about him for three years. So take vice
Speaker 1: with a grain of salt. At least I'm self aware
Speaker 1: enough to know that and say it. So yeah, And
Speaker 1: although the new car phenomenon you mentioned where you know
Speaker 1: soon as you drive it off the lot, there is
Speaker 1: a little bit of depreciation there, that is true, But
Speaker 1: I'm not too worried about that with Bijan. Yeah, me neither.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean, I would make sure you're getting
Speaker 1: if it's a quarterback and it's conditional and you need
Speaker 1: a quarterback, just make sure I'm not trading for one
Speaker 1: in this class. I'm getting a quarterback that's already had
Speaker 1: success in the NFL if I'm trading bjan So that's
Speaker 1: kind of my last like what i'd say if I
Speaker 1: am moving that deal because I desperately need a QB.
Speaker 1: I'm getting justin fields, you know, I'm getting a top QB.
Speaker 1: That's like my low line. Right, there's justin fields. I'm
Speaker 1: getting a top ten level QB in the NFL currently
Speaker 1: right now that I've already seen do it. That's what
Speaker 1: it would take for me. I'm a little more staunch though.
Speaker 1: Ed mccamber He asked if Lamar leaves Baltimore holder or
Speaker 1: sell Andrew's premium tight end value one point five ppr um.
Speaker 1: Short answer answer for Ed, I would hold um. He
Speaker 1: bawled out with Tyler Huntley in twenty twenty one, did
Speaker 1: Mark Andrews and I really won't throw the ball more
Speaker 1: than ten yards down the field? Yeah, and it's it's funny,
Speaker 1: but they were actually like, it seems weird, but like
Speaker 1: last summer, people were actually talking about likes Andrew's going
Speaker 1: to have the same value with Lamar coming back that
Speaker 1: he did tell her Huntley late in twenty twenty one,
Speaker 1: you know, and it turned out Andrews was going off
Speaker 1: in the first half of last season, and then when
Speaker 1: Lamar missed time towards the end of the season, Uh,
Speaker 1: Andrew's production was really curbed. But even if Lamar goes like,
Speaker 1: I'm fairly certain that Andrews is still going to be
Speaker 1: a really valuable asset, and uh, you know, I don't
Speaker 1: think it's going to be long term Lamar or not
Speaker 1: Lamar Huntley, um Tyler Huntley as the Baltimore quarterbacks. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's a hold for me. Yeah, yeah, the same for me.
Speaker 1: You know, if it's Lamar, if it's not Lamar, he's
Speaker 1: the number one option in this offense. Because they haven't
Speaker 1: they haven't drafted well wide receiver. That's been a question
Speaker 1: that the Ravens have been asked recently too. Right, Bateman
Speaker 1: hasn't worked out, Devin DuVernay isn't what they thought he
Speaker 1: was going to be. And I love Devin DuVernay, Texas guy,
Speaker 1: but they run the ball so much, and Lamar runs
Speaker 1: the ball too. But Mark Andrews is the number one
Speaker 1: in that offense. So yeah, I agree with you Fits.
Speaker 1: I'm holding on his value. Len m asked us running
Speaker 1: backs keep or trade for draft picks this year cam Acres,
Speaker 1: Tony Pollard, Damian Pierce, so he can keep or trade
Speaker 1: these guys Acres, Pollard or Pierce. I would trade Pollard
Speaker 1: if I were Len, because simply because of perceived value,
Speaker 1: bogs like I think I've been kind of surprised by
Speaker 1: Damian Pierce's adp in Dynasty and Redraft. I think it's
Speaker 1: too low right now. I think he's being undervalued just
Speaker 1: because they kind of slowed down and pulled back on
Speaker 1: the reins with him last year, which is understandable because
Speaker 1: he never got more than about what one hundred and
Speaker 1: ten carries for Dan Mullen and Florida exactly. And I
Speaker 1: think he kind of hit the wall a little bit
Speaker 1: after a while, but pierces everything we hoped he would
Speaker 1: be and then some for the first ten games or
Speaker 1: so of last year. Um, So I think he's being undervalued.
Speaker 1: And you know, I think the perceptions of cam Akers
Speaker 1: vary from manager to manager, but generally I think he's
Speaker 1: a hard guy to peg, and I don't know if
Speaker 1: you're going to get fair value from him in a trade.
Speaker 1: Everyone loves Tony Pollard bodsone. Does you're gonna get full
Speaker 1: of you in a trade? Yeah, you should, And that's
Speaker 1: I mean, trades are obviously subjective because everyone has a
Speaker 1: different value system and everyone has their own way of trading, right,
Speaker 1: so it gets a little subjective. I would say, for
Speaker 1: the most part, if I have a lead back, I'm
Speaker 1: not trading that guy for the most part. You know,
Speaker 1: if I'm trading for depth to fill in a spot
Speaker 1: that I need, especially in a superflexif I have to
Speaker 1: have that QB, then yes, I'm dealing the running backs
Speaker 1: because they get me the most, I feel like. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, if you're just looking for straight value fits
Speaker 1: this right, Pollard is the guy to trade because you know,
Speaker 1: it's kind of like the last question that we just
Speaker 1: answered with Bejean, when is Pollard's type gonna get bigger
Speaker 1: than it is right now this second? You know, the
Speaker 1: only time it might get bigger is when they don't
Speaker 1: take a running back in the draft, and now you
Speaker 1: know it is Pollard and you know, Malik Davis or
Speaker 1: whatever going into the season, right or someone lower that
Speaker 1: they draft, you know, not a Bijan or a Jamir
Speaker 1: Gibs or anybody like that that would come in and
Speaker 1: split carries. A little worried about Pierce with Singletary because
Speaker 1: these are both guys that took over two hundred carries
Speaker 1: last year and there's there's not that many carries to
Speaker 1: go around. I still think Pierce is the better back,
Speaker 1: so I still think he's the lead. So I still
Speaker 1: want to keep him. Acres confuses the hell out of
Speaker 1: he fits because it's like he's in the doghouse. They're
Speaker 1: gonna cut him. He doesn't get cut. They cut Henderson
Speaker 1: and now he's back in the lead role. So and
Speaker 1: Sean mcvayh is staying. So I guess we've worked everything
Speaker 1: out and everything's copasetic here in LA. But he's the
Speaker 1: one that confuses me the most. But yeah, if you're
Speaker 1: looking to deal and get the best value, it's one
Speaker 1: hundred percent Pollard Pierce might be the guy to trade
Speaker 1: four right now because of my thought process on him
Speaker 1: in Devin Singletary right, So it's it's scary that Houston
Speaker 1: is maybe not even done adding Like what if it's
Speaker 1: Singletary and Damien Pierce and Devanna a chain or something,
Speaker 1: you know that that could be troublesome. I think what
Speaker 1: I like about Acres is that, you know, he flashed
Speaker 1: at the end of last year. He's got very good
Speaker 1: Remember how value able Todd Gurley was when Sean McVay
Speaker 1: first got that Rams offense coming. I'm not saying that
Speaker 1: Acres is as good as Gurley was, but he is.
Speaker 1: He does have a versatile skill set and if he can,
Speaker 1: you know, just get something approaching that workload, I think
Speaker 1: he could be immensely valuable. And I don't think the
Speaker 1: Rams have the draft capital to mess around with running
Speaker 1: backs too much, so I don't think his primacy in
Speaker 1: that backfield is going to be threatened all that much.
Speaker 1: He is a great points, great points to make, so
Speaker 1: absolutely I like that that point about them. You know,
Speaker 1: they're not going to add anyone. They don't have any
Speaker 1: cap space and they don't have draft capital to add
Speaker 1: a running back, So yeah, I like it. Just Josh
Speaker 1: and asked what are your thoughts on young players who
Speaker 1: have had very little or no playing time in the
Speaker 1: NFL due to illness or injury, but had a lot
Speaker 1: of potential coming out of college. He gives us examples
Speaker 1: of John Metchi and Justin Ross. So your thoughts on
Speaker 1: that question fits. Yeah, good question by just Josh and
Speaker 1: two but um, you know, just a caveat here, Like
Speaker 1: I always feel a little bit slimy with the commodification
Speaker 1: of guys like this who are dealing with potentially career
Speaker 1: threatening conditions, which is the case with Justin Ross and
Speaker 1: his was a neck injury or cervical condition, spinal fusion surgery,
Speaker 1: spinal fusion surgery. Yeah so um. And then with you
Speaker 1: know MATCHI obviously who, um what a form of cancer?
Speaker 1: I forget which form of leukemia? Yeah? So um. I
Speaker 1: mean I guess it depends on your initial read on
Speaker 1: those guys like Bogs. You and I disagreed a little
Speaker 1: bit on MATCHI coming out of college. You liked him
Speaker 1: more than I did. Um. You know, I definitely like
Speaker 1: Justin Ross um a lot. I know there were some
Speaker 1: worts in his college profile before the injury thing, but
Speaker 1: he was a prospect I really liked. But I think
Speaker 1: in either case you have to insist on at least
Speaker 1: a little bit of a discount just because of the
Speaker 1: you know, the situations those guys are dealing with in
Speaker 1: the possibility that their careers are going to get cut short. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, like you said, I love John Metci.
Speaker 1: This this is really you can't. You cannot take these
Speaker 1: guys in lump them. You know, you have to go
Speaker 1: case by case here, which is you know, leg work
Speaker 1: that we don't want to do. I understand that, but
Speaker 1: you know I will never be rostering Justin Ross. I
Speaker 1: don't think he plays football again. They recommended him to
Speaker 1: not play football when they found out about the spinal
Speaker 1: fusion thing. They fixed it and said he's one hundred
Speaker 1: percent clear and he's good to go. Then he immediately
Speaker 1: got hurt again. So I don't know. Justin Ross, you know,
Speaker 1: he's great skill, he's a great player, and if he
Speaker 1: didn't have this stuff, he would have been a first
Speaker 1: round pick. Last year's unbelievable wide receiver. But I don't
Speaker 1: think he's gonna stay healthy. Uh Mechi is different. It
Speaker 1: seems like, you know, this is treatable, and I think
Speaker 1: he's very good, So obviously that's different. We had Jamison
Speaker 1: coming in. You know, Jamison's value is probably lower than
Speaker 1: it should be right now because all we saw was
Speaker 1: him coming off of ACL surgery at the end of
Speaker 1: the year last year. Now, I was going to have
Speaker 1: a full season to really recover and be one hundred
Speaker 1: percent ready to go, and you're gonna see a different
Speaker 1: player this season. So it's a case by case basis,
Speaker 1: which I know is not the answer that you want
Speaker 1: to hear, but that's really what it is, you know,
Speaker 1: because all of these things are so different. If we
Speaker 1: are lumping it in in general, you know the old
Speaker 1: scouting trump fits, availability is the best ability, right and
Speaker 1: if you don't have it, you can't be on the
Speaker 1: field to you know, get stats to get points for
Speaker 1: us on our fantasy teams if you are not on
Speaker 1: the field. So in general, if a guy's coming in lower,
Speaker 1: you do have to lower them a little bit. You know,
Speaker 1: Pickens was just coming off in a cl surgery, got
Speaker 1: in like two games in college at the end in
Speaker 1: the playoff before coming into the draft, and he fell
Speaker 1: I feel like in the draft because it so um,
Speaker 1: you know, it is case by case, but in general,
Speaker 1: those guys got to get knocked down a tick. So
Speaker 1: you know, take if you can take him, as Flyers
Speaker 1: is free, guys like Ross, great, grab him and stash
Speaker 1: him and see if they come back and play. But
Speaker 1: if it's going to cost me anything, they got to
Speaker 1: get lower. That's basically the overall rule. There. Um Simon
Speaker 1: asked us, this is a good one. How does this
Speaker 1: year's wide receiver class in UH compared to last year's
Speaker 1: UH wide receiver class? Yeah, I think he might have
Speaker 1: also asked the last time. Yeah, so, um, I guess
Speaker 1: my short answer would be not very well. Bugs uh, like,
Speaker 1: I I like the last two classes a lot more
Speaker 1: than this. I mean, last year you had, you know,
Speaker 1: I think you felt pretty good about the chances um
Speaker 1: of stardom or at least of being a really solid
Speaker 1: starter for like Olave Garrett Wilson, Jamison Williams. And then
Speaker 1: a bunch of other guys who you know had the
Speaker 1: draft capital and reasons to be optimistic about their future,
Speaker 1: with like Jahan Dots and Treylon Burke's Sky Moore who
Speaker 1: hasn't really panned out yet, but Christian Watson. And then
Speaker 1: you know, like a second tier of potentially interesting guys
Speaker 1: with like Wan Dale Robinson, Alec Pierce, David Bell who
Speaker 1: may or may not pan out. And then twenty twenty
Speaker 1: one was obviously like a star studied year with Jamar Chase,
Speaker 1: Jalen Waddle, Devanta Smith, Rashad Bateman, Elijah Moore, Rondale Moore,
Speaker 1: Kadarius Tony. A lot of star power at wide receiver
Speaker 1: in these last two classes this year, bogs Man, like,
Speaker 1: I don't think there's anyone I'm confident pegging for stardom, Like,
Speaker 1: no one I think like Jackson Smith and Jig Ba
Speaker 1: and Quentin Johnston and maybe's a Flowers have a shot
Speaker 1: at stardom. Some would put Drake London into that group,
Speaker 1: although I've some serious concerns about his ceiling based on
Speaker 1: his very pedestrian testing at the combine. Um, I do
Speaker 1: think those four guys are going to have like salad
Speaker 1: careers as starters, but then like behind them, um, you know,
Speaker 1: not a lot of guys like I'm totally some people
Speaker 1: like Josh Down, some people like Jalen Hyatt, some people
Speaker 1: like Cedric Tillman. I feel like there's more of those
Speaker 1: guys that are maybe's and this year's class than there
Speaker 1: have been in twenty one and twenty two. But I
Speaker 1: mean it is not a comparison at the front half
Speaker 1: of wide receivers. Twenty twenty twenty one was amazing, twenty
Speaker 1: twenty two also amazing, really good. This one at the
Speaker 1: fun end, Nah, you know, we're not there. Back end
Speaker 1: I kind of like better. Um, you know, I think
Speaker 1: the depth deep is better in this class than it
Speaker 1: was last year or the year before, but that top
Speaker 1: is not nowhere close right, even with those back end
Speaker 1: guys bogs. Like I mean, I like, I like Jonathan Mingo,
Speaker 1: Like he's a guy to me, he's a top ten
Speaker 1: guy in this class. Other people don't have him in
Speaker 1: their top twenty. And I like the fact that the
Speaker 1: Steelers had a pre draft visit with Mango Bogs because
Speaker 1: you know, if the Steelers are interested in a wide receiver,
Speaker 1: that's the one team that knows its wide receivers and
Speaker 1: like never misses on these guys. Yeah, yeah, I think
Speaker 1: they're more dart throws in this class. Like you know,
Speaker 1: you mentioned you like some of those Lake guys. I like,
Speaker 1: you know, Bryce Ford Wheaton tested extremely well and I
Speaker 1: watched a couple of great games with him. Charlie Jones
Speaker 1: was in that yards per route run stat. Michael Wilson
Speaker 1: blew up at the Senior Bowl. Parker Washington had some
Speaker 1: bad quarterback play at Penn State. He could be better.
Speaker 1: Trey Palmer was in that group on the yards per
Speaker 1: route run. A lot of people are in Puka Nakua.
Speaker 1: Racken Jarrett was a high recruit. Ronnie Bell came off
Speaker 1: of ACL surgery last year. He has a higher ceiling
Speaker 1: and people give him credit for Like, I like a
Speaker 1: lot of those. Now, look, I'll usually fall in love
Speaker 1: with Jalen Tilbert was that guy for me last year,
Speaker 1: and he didn't do a damn thing with the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: So these are dart throws. But I think there are
Speaker 1: more of those guys that I like this year than
Speaker 1: they have been in those other classes. Deep, but the
Speaker 1: front end, like you know, front ends, is not close. Yeah,
Speaker 1: a lot of interesting dart throws. Bed even a guy
Speaker 1: like Mingo, who I'm fond of, I don't know if
Speaker 1: it's more than a fifty fifty chance he'll be Fantasy
Speaker 1: relevant two years from now. And that's yeah, those are
Speaker 1: just dart throws you're throwing at the end of rookie
Speaker 1: drafts too, so you know, yeah, just not as well overall.
Speaker 1: Zales two five two five Rye ask us trade value questions.
Speaker 1: What would you accept for Kyler Murray? Two firsts for
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray, who's gonna miss half this year? Yeah, coach
Speaker 1: coming in, So let's let's buzz through because Zales gave
Speaker 1: us four different Okay, we'll buzz through. These are real quick,
Speaker 1: all right. I'll I don't think he's worth two first anymore,
Speaker 1: at least not if either of those first is going
Speaker 1: to be in early first. Um, maybe if it's like
Speaker 1: you know, one o nine this year plus a first
Speaker 1: next year from a team that doesn't look like it's
Speaker 1: a dumpster fire, and um, basically, what would I accept
Speaker 1: for Kyler Murray? Yeah? Um, like Kirk Cousins in a second. Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: I don't want more than that. I don't want more
Speaker 1: than that. Um, Kirk Cousins in a late first, Yeah,
Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins in a gamble first, like a next year first.
Speaker 1: Will that get it done? Yeah? I think so. I
Speaker 1: think so too. I think the twenty twenty four draft
Speaker 1: is gonna be really good. And I know, like people
Speaker 1: are always grass is always greener kind of thing, but
Speaker 1: I do think there's gonna be a lot of star
Speaker 1: power next year, so I'm trying to stockpile twenty twenty
Speaker 1: four first. Um. So yeah, Like I don't know if
Speaker 1: Kyler is quite worth like two pre and first anymore,
Speaker 1: but um, you know, if you get offered that and
Speaker 1: can get like any two first for Kyler, yeah, jump
Speaker 1: on it. But like, if I'm trying to acquire Kyler Murray,
Speaker 1: I'm not giving up any first that looks like it
Speaker 1: might be in the top four. But what about King Henry,
Speaker 1: He asked, I think you can still get to first.
Speaker 1: If not, what would you settle for? No freaking way,
Speaker 1: more like a single mid first pick. I mean, look,
Speaker 1: he's going to be thirty at the end of this
Speaker 1: calendar year. I think he turns thirty in early January
Speaker 1: next year. Maybe a single mid round first for a
Speaker 1: high mileage running back. Who's I think at this point,
Speaker 1: if you're rostering Henry, you just kind of go down
Speaker 1: with the ship, you know, because you're not gonna get
Speaker 1: what he's worth for you this year, you know, a
Speaker 1: mid first round pick. I mean, do you want you
Speaker 1: would want Gibbs over him right now because Gibbs has
Speaker 1: you know, no miles, So yeah, I would. It's hard
Speaker 1: for me to trade Henry at this point because you're
Speaker 1: absolutely not getting what he's worth for the next couple
Speaker 1: of years. And I'm a couple of years guy. So
Speaker 1: if you're rebuilding, okay, or if you sense the rebuild
Speaker 1: is coming, fine, But for me, I'm with you, Hollywood Brown,
Speaker 1: is he worth a twenty four first? I personally would
Speaker 1: not give up a twenty twenty four first from Hollywood Brown.
Speaker 1: I mean i'd take, like, maybe I think he's maybe
Speaker 1: worth a second this year and a second next year.
Speaker 1: I'm not a big Hollywood guy, so maybe you should
Speaker 1: answer this one box. Yeah, I mean I am a
Speaker 1: big Hollywood guy, but we're changing the whole We're changing
Speaker 1: the whole nature of this offense now and no Kyler
Speaker 1: for half of this year. So I absolutely would not
Speaker 1: trade a first round pick for Marquis Brown. Let me
Speaker 1: ask you this, Marquis Brown or Jalen Hyatt. Oh, Marquise Brown,
Speaker 1: Josh Downs still Marquise Brown, Jordan Addison last one. Then
Speaker 1: I'd take Addison Addison. Yeah, and Addison's probably gonna go
Speaker 1: late first this year in your drafts, depending on where guys,
Speaker 1: and so, yeah, I mean he's a late first this year.
Speaker 1: Definitely not a first next year. Like Fitz said, class
Speaker 1: looks a little better, especially at the front. But Flowers
Speaker 1: or Hollywood. I'll take Hollywood there. I think I'd rather
Speaker 1: have Flowers. And that's and that's fair, you know. Uh So,
Speaker 1: so somewhere in that level. Late first this year, not
Speaker 1: a first next year. Um, it probably more like two twos.
Speaker 1: Like uh uh, Fitz said, Mark mark Andrew's value if
Speaker 1: wanting to rebuild. Uh we we already kind of answered
Speaker 1: this on Mark Andrews we're still in right, Yeah, and
Speaker 1: he said super flex, so that changes the calculus a
Speaker 1: little bit. Like I mean, in super flex, he's getting
Speaker 1: an extra half for tight end premium. So yeah, you
Speaker 1: might be able to get like one oh four for him,
Speaker 1: or maybe a second this year and a first next year,
Speaker 1: or maybe just maybe just the first next year. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think for the most part, if you're rebuilding, you know,
Speaker 1: squeeze in. This is what I say to everyone that
Speaker 1: sends me a question about I'm rebuilding, what should I
Speaker 1: get for this player? I just want to remind you, guys.
Speaker 1: So if you're rebuilding, you have all the power in
Speaker 1: the trade. You don't have to be good this year.
Speaker 1: You don't have to settle in a trade for what
Speaker 1: you're gonna get for a player. If someone isn't answering,
Speaker 1: isn't meeting your asking price, wait them out. They need
Speaker 1: the guy you don't, so you have the leverage in
Speaker 1: that scenario. It's also on the other side, you gotta
Speaker 1: pay when you're in your window to win. So just
Speaker 1: you know, I know it's you know, not a lot's
Speaker 1: happening right now. People are wanting to make trades, but
Speaker 1: sometimes the best move is saying yeah, this just is
Speaker 1: not going to meet my asking price, or if someone
Speaker 1: limps at you, you know, instead of going back and
Speaker 1: forth for a month and I just say, hey, man,
Speaker 1: we're not even close. This is what my deal looks like,
Speaker 1: and you max it out. Don't make it close, max
Speaker 1: it out. So they can either go, oh, well you're
Speaker 1: being ridiculous and walk away, or they can start to
Speaker 1: you know, shed stuff off of what you're asking. So,
Speaker 1: you know, if you are rebuilding, I would just remind
Speaker 1: you you have the leverage in deals. Get squeeze that
Speaker 1: extra pick, you know, squeeze something that you know. You
Speaker 1: both should feel uncomfortable after any trade. That's what a
Speaker 1: trade is. You know, you both should feel ncomfortable. Somebody's
Speaker 1: getting a proven asset. You're usually getting something that has
Speaker 1: not proven back. You know, if it's a one for one.
Speaker 1: If you're bad at wide receiver, that guy's bad at
Speaker 1: running back, you flip, okay, fine, whatever. Nobody feels queasy,
Speaker 1: But in an offseason trade involving picks for proven talent
Speaker 1: versus unproven talent, everybody feels queasy in a trade. So
Speaker 1: that's where you should be when you make a trade.
Speaker 1: So I think that's gonna wrap it up for us. Fitzy,
Speaker 1: I don't think we have time for any more of
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Speaker 1: My friend? Yeah, and just want to apologize to some
Speaker 1: of the people whose questions we couldn't quite get to.
Speaker 1: We uh, you know, reserve for the end some of
Speaker 1: the ones that were maybe a little more specific to
Speaker 1: that manager and might not have been as quite the
Speaker 1: general interest questions as some of the other ones. So apologies,
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Speaker 1: do I have coming up, Bogs. I've got a big
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