Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Fantasy Pros Dynasty Fantasy Football Podcast.
Speaker 1: I'm your host, Scott Bogman. Follow me on the Twitter
Speaker 1: at Bogman Sports. I'm joined as always by Pat Fitzmoores
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Speaker 1: the Twitter Machine. And Matt Waldman is here with us
Speaker 1: at Matt Waldman to talk about some of this rookie class.
Speaker 1: But uh sorry, I wasn't here last week. Everyone Pat
Speaker 1: had to you know, fill in the hosting chair and
Speaker 1: do all the stuff there. He threatened to never have
Speaker 1: me back because he had such a good time without me.
Speaker 1: But I am back here ready to talk some football fits.
Speaker 1: How did it go without me? And I know you
Speaker 1: really did miss me, so I'm not even gonna ask
Speaker 1: you that question. How we persevered without you, Boggs, But
Speaker 1: yeah we made it through somehow, and uh yeah it
Speaker 1: went pretty well. But you know, we are on the
Speaker 1: next week and really happy to have Matt here because
Speaker 1: I know draft, the NFL Draft is bearing down on
Speaker 1: us when Matt comes. So and this is Matt Waldman's
Speaker 1: jam at Matt Walman. Like we said before, go to
Speaker 1: Matt Walman dot com to check out his Rookie Scouting Profile.
Speaker 1: He's been doing that for I feel like almost twenty
Speaker 1: years now, right, Matt. I mean it's been a long
Speaker 1: time you've been putting this thing together, and I'm excited
Speaker 1: to talk about this. Eighteen of them already, man, So this, uh,
Speaker 1: the Rookie Scouting Profile is graduating high school already. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's eighteen years old. It's ready to rock and roll,
Speaker 1: pretty much registering reslective service. I guess as we speak,
Speaker 1: that's right, that's right. So I mean, tell us a
Speaker 1: little bit about the profile, and you know, tell everyone
Speaker 1: where they can get it, of course. Sure. The RSP
Speaker 1: Rookie Scouting Portfolio is available at Matt Waldman dot com
Speaker 1: and is one of the two most purchase draft guides
Speaker 1: that are independent draft guides according by UM. You know,
Speaker 1: evaluate evaluators in the NFL personnel like scouts and personnel people.
Speaker 1: According to folks like Alex Brown, who's the director of
Speaker 1: recruiting at SMU, who's worked with Tom Herman at Houston
Speaker 1: and then was at the head of recruiting at Rice.
Speaker 1: So he meets with these types of scouts on ragular basis.
Speaker 1: Now it's just devoted to quarterback, running back, wide receiver,
Speaker 1: and tight end. But I do at least one hundred
Speaker 1: and fifty prospects. I go through my entire process, and
Speaker 1: my process is based on the best practices that I
Speaker 1: learned from a different industry to really take subjective data
Speaker 1: that you find from film and try and objectify it
Speaker 1: as much as possible, really clearly define what it is
Speaker 1: and I'm looking at. For instance, my wide receiver checklist
Speaker 1: is literally ninety eight defined points of detail of what
Speaker 1: I'm looking at, and then I use another grading format
Speaker 1: to actually the ninety eight points is like what they
Speaker 1: can do. Then I look at how well they do
Speaker 1: it and base a grade ranking on that. I show it.
Speaker 1: Take you through my process that's transparent, try to do
Speaker 1: it in a really entertaining way so that you can
Speaker 1: see how these players relate to one another on different
Speaker 1: skill sets. You get cheat sheets so that you can
Speaker 1: just get like the short version and say, I just
Speaker 1: want to know where I should draft these guys. I
Speaker 1: have all that too. I do a post draft along
Speaker 1: with it a week after the draft that gives you
Speaker 1: kind of like a tiered ranking across all positions of
Speaker 1: over two hundred prospects. After the draft about you know,
Speaker 1: six to seven days after the draft. Usually come out
Speaker 1: with a preliminary cheat sheet first within the first three days,
Speaker 1: just so people are drafting pretty quickly after the draft
Speaker 1: that they can have something from me. I look at fits,
Speaker 1: I look at depth chart information. Even on the cheat sheet,
Speaker 1: I'll show you things like if I love saying, you
Speaker 1: know Patrick Mahomes better than you know Baker Mayfield, but
Speaker 1: you can get Patrick Mahomes in the second round based
Speaker 1: on ADP, I show you the ADP data that i've
Speaker 1: I've tracked during early drafts, and then show you the
Speaker 1: sweet spot of where you can get the best value
Speaker 1: for these players or where you have to get them
Speaker 1: even if I think they're a little overvalue. So you
Speaker 1: get all that for twenty mount Waldman dot com plus
Speaker 1: a newsletter. It's a great deal. Most people, when I
Speaker 1: say they're pleasantly shocked, you're gonna hear it from me,
Speaker 1: and it sounds like a sales pitch. But you can
Speaker 1: go to Twitter and see me retweeting people who are
Speaker 1: just like I had no idea, I had high expectations,
Speaker 1: I had no idea. I'm still here. I love going
Speaker 1: back to not only after they're drafted and going back
Speaker 1: and looking at the profiles and stuff. But I like
Speaker 1: going back a couple of years and looking at them
Speaker 1: after they have been drafted, and like man Waldman was
Speaker 1: crushing them. I mean Skyler Thompson that last year, you
Speaker 1: know we were talking about him on this show. He
Speaker 1: ends up starting a bunch of games for Miami because
Speaker 1: of Toa's concussion issues. And you know, we had the
Speaker 1: full breakdown here with Matt. So I suggest you guys
Speaker 1: go check it out. It's an awesome resource. And this
Speaker 1: is this is a fantasy football guy too. Come on,
Speaker 1: we're talking to a guy that has worked in football
Speaker 1: guys before. He's been in the fantasy industry for over
Speaker 1: twenty years. This is exactly what we want. So thank
Speaker 1: you for sharing your time in Matt. Are you one
Speaker 1: of those psychos the draft immediately do your rookie draft
Speaker 1: immediately after the draft or do you like to wait
Speaker 1: a little bit. I'm in leagues with those types of psychos.
Speaker 1: That's how I started. So we're like full idpify man rosters,
Speaker 1: big practice squad. Those are most leagues I play. I mean,
Speaker 1: I like the I like the psycho rosters. I don't
Speaker 1: like the psycho drafting. Immediately after the draft, I like, sure,
Speaker 1: wait a little bit, Let's just see how these guys
Speaker 1: are fitting in. Let's get some quotes from the coaches,
Speaker 1: get some of that stuff. That's I want to have
Speaker 1: all the information I have. Man, I jump off the cliff,
Speaker 1: Baby we go. We're going right in. We're going in.
Speaker 1: Uh uh yeah. Speaking of going in, we are going
Speaker 1: to talk QBS first. But before we do, I gotta
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Speaker 1: and let's talk about these qbs and my first question,
Speaker 1: and you know, however you want to answer this, and
Speaker 1: this is the ultimate question with Bryce Young do the
Speaker 1: talents of for him at the QB position outweigh the
Speaker 1: size concerns that we've seen from another Alabama QB into
Speaker 1: a tongue of viola obviously different players. I feel like
Speaker 1: Bryce Young get is better at escaping pressure. He's a
Speaker 1: very very good quarterback. I would say, you know, he's
Speaker 1: the best going into the NFL right now. I don't
Speaker 1: think he has a highest heeling or anything, but he's
Speaker 1: definitely the best going into the NFL. But he's smaller
Speaker 1: stature in these guys get hurt and players get bigger
Speaker 1: and bigger, stronger, faster every single year. So is does
Speaker 1: his talent outweigh his size concerns? No, Because we can
Speaker 1: go back to Fran Tarkenton, we can go back to
Speaker 1: Joe Montana, who looked like he had baby arms for
Speaker 1: legs throughout his career. Drew Brees, Russell Wilson, Kyler Murray,
Speaker 1: And really, if you look at Kyler Murray and look
Speaker 1: at really how bad of a manager he is. In
Speaker 1: the pocket, He's mobile is all get out. He can
Speaker 1: stretch play for eight seconds. That's great, But he also
Speaker 1: forces his receivers to reroute and he can't. He can't
Speaker 1: get rid of the ball quickly after he moves because
Speaker 1: the way he moves his way too dynamic for the situation. Well,
Speaker 1: Bryce Young isn't that way. Bryce Young is basically Kyler
Speaker 1: Murray as a as an elusive player within the pocket
Speaker 1: or just outside the pocket, maybe not on the run,
Speaker 1: but with more control, with more ability to identify receivers
Speaker 1: and get the ball out quicker. So I'm not really
Speaker 1: worried about that. To me, it's more about fit. Now,
Speaker 1: if you put them in, you put them with a
Speaker 1: team that isn't enthusiastic about using them and doesn't use
Speaker 1: the doesn't really employ a spread oriented system, doesn't want
Speaker 1: to really maximize what he does best, which is what
Speaker 1: you want to do with every quarterback that you have
Speaker 1: that you're going to take in the first round, then yeah,
Speaker 1: that's an issue. But I find that players who yes,
Speaker 1: the punishment factor is always going to be a concern.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, if you're good at making
Speaker 1: people miss and you don't have a lot of surface
Speaker 1: area to hit, that actually can be kind of a
Speaker 1: positive for you too. And we don't you know, people
Speaker 1: worry about throwing over the line of scrimmage. We want
Speaker 1: to remind people year it's throwing between the blockers and
Speaker 1: the space between the trenches, that the line of scrimmage
Speaker 1: not over. So I think he'll be fine. Man, it
Speaker 1: seems like you're very enthusiastic about Anthony Richardson. I know
Speaker 1: you hate rankings because of the lack of nuance that
Speaker 1: they have, but you do do overall positional rankings and
Speaker 1: you've got Richardson as your number one quarterback. Can you
Speaker 1: maybe talk about some of the misconceptions with him, because
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people are under the impression
Speaker 1: that he is all tools and no toolbox. But you
Speaker 1: make the case that he's definitely not technically and conceptually
Speaker 1: unskilled and that he's actually a wizard on the whiteboard. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's for sure. So we'll put it this way, If
Speaker 1: you want to see the complete breakdown, you can get
Speaker 1: it for free at football guys dot com. You can
Speaker 1: go there and you can look up Matt Waldman in
Speaker 1: the search bar and you'll see my full scouting report
Speaker 1: as well as my thoughts on this. But I'll summarize
Speaker 1: it this way, is that Anthony rich Anthony Richardson's skills
Speaker 1: in the pocket, the way that he moves with efficiency
Speaker 1: and control, the way he anticipates and avoids pressure, the
Speaker 1: way that he manipulates defenders in the middle of the field,
Speaker 1: and then the flats. Not the deep safety that a
Speaker 1: high school player does and that every analyst talks about
Speaker 1: like it's an important thing, but it's like a baseline thing.
Speaker 1: The bigger things are being able to manipulate multiple defenders
Speaker 1: in spaces underneath the safeties, and he does that extraordinarily
Speaker 1: well while he's moving in the pocket, avoiding pressure, and
Speaker 1: then being able to layer the throw in the intermediate
Speaker 1: range of the field. What I just described to you
Speaker 1: are things that a lot of players get highlighted for
Speaker 1: on ESPN for one of those things, but not all
Speaker 1: those things together, and often struggle trying to integrate those
Speaker 1: things together. The thing with Anthony Richardson is that he
Speaker 1: has some footwork issues that are off that some of
Speaker 1: his passes are inaccurate. But if you look at the
Speaker 1: studies that are being done by people who actually track information,
Speaker 1: like myself or you know, there's some other folks that
Speaker 1: I've tweeted about in the article that showed that in
Speaker 1: some of their databases the only guy who had more
Speaker 1: drop passes of catchable passes in their database was Dan
Speaker 1: Marino than Anthony Richardson. So and that his ability to
Speaker 1: will avoid sacks. The only guy who was better was
Speaker 1: Philip Rivers, who as we know, is not a great mover.
Speaker 1: He was just he was efficient and knew how to
Speaker 1: move in the pocket. So then when now that we
Speaker 1: finally talked about Anthony Richardson say, oh, yeah, he's a
Speaker 1: near perfect athlete when we talk about what they look
Speaker 1: at for rascore, you know, relative athletics score scored a
Speaker 1: ten out of ten, highest QB ever ever. And he
Speaker 1: runs with a stamina of speed like Marshawn Lynch never
Speaker 1: ran with high speed. He ran with a speed that
Speaker 1: he maintained throughout the entire run, whether he was getting
Speaker 1: hit carrying people or spinning off folks, and you see
Speaker 1: some of his greatest runs are just that he maintained
Speaker 1: the same speed no matter what he encountered throughout the
Speaker 1: entire run. Anthony Richardson has that skill in addition to
Speaker 1: the fact that he doesn't have to use it like
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray feels like he has to use it every
Speaker 1: time he's in the pocket. I'm banging on Kyler Murray
Speaker 1: a fair bid. He here's a good quarterback, But I'm
Speaker 1: just trying to highlight the difference. I'll put it to
Speaker 1: you this way, in a short way. Let's say that
Speaker 1: Scott is Anthony Richardson and Pat You're like, you're like
Speaker 1: the court You're you're like the Mitchell true Bisky, Drew Locke.
Speaker 1: You know, Sorry, didn't sult you. But the quarterbacks that everybody,
Speaker 1: like everybody wants in the first round because they fit
Speaker 1: all the Bill Parcel's kindelines from forty years ago. That
Speaker 1: was good for a defensive oriented coach, but we didn't
Speaker 1: have the analytics to really look at things the way
Speaker 1: we can now, and maybe don't look at film at
Speaker 1: the level we should. Well, that's safe for that's safe
Speaker 1: for Barcels. It's safe for GM speak. But say, you
Speaker 1: guys are those players, but instead of being football players,
Speaker 1: you're learning how to speak Vietnamese. Okay, and you're gonna
Speaker 1: go to Vietnam and you're gonna have all these You're
Speaker 1: gonna have these language lessons and Scott, Scott's Scott's not
Speaker 1: going first. You're going first, Pat, because you're that you
Speaker 1: you you've had. You've been a two three year starter.
Speaker 1: You've been learning for two to three years how to play,
Speaker 1: how to how to um, how to speak the language.
Speaker 1: You go over there, you've got a guide, you've got
Speaker 1: an app on your phone. They lead you. They make
Speaker 1: sure you stay out of all the dangerous neighborhoods. They
Speaker 1: make sure that you stay out of um, you know,
Speaker 1: not getting ripped off. You get this nice experience and
Speaker 1: you learn the language, you get better at it. But
Speaker 1: two years later you're still like holding up the app,
Speaker 1: You're still like you. The best thing you do is
Speaker 1: where's the bathroom? And can you say that slower? Please?
Speaker 1: You know where? You know, that's where you're at, you
Speaker 1: know and you know where Scott, he's Anthony Richardson. He
Speaker 1: didn't get he didn't get to go there for two years.
Speaker 1: He didn't have he doesn't have the app, he doesn't
Speaker 1: have a guide. He shows up it's like six months
Speaker 1: into the you know, he's been there for six months.
Speaker 1: The first couple of weeks he got taken by street,
Speaker 1: he got robbed. You know, he had some embarrassing moments. Okay,
Speaker 1: But the difference is is that he speaks at the
Speaker 1: speed of a language speak of a native speaker. He
Speaker 1: listens at the speed of a native speaker. He sends
Speaker 1: his emotion and can convey emotion. And the guy who
Speaker 1: ripped him off, he actually the second time the guy
Speaker 1: tried to rip him up, he caught him on that.
Speaker 1: Because it wasn't that he didn't It wasn't because he
Speaker 1: didn't understand the language and didn't understand emotion. Is that
Speaker 1: he didn't recognize like the equivalent of not recognizing cover two.
Speaker 1: He didn't recognize the difference between a scam in Vietnam
Speaker 1: and the one that he grew up seeing wherever he
Speaker 1: was from in Miami Gardens. Okay, it was just a
Speaker 1: different kind of scam because the culture is different. You know,
Speaker 1: he just didn't see it enough. So you end up
Speaker 1: you end up making friends with the con artist. He
Speaker 1: shows you all the places of where you should go
Speaker 1: shouldn't go, that you're gonna get more out of it.
Speaker 1: You're gonna actually make more friends. You actually get to
Speaker 1: know native folks who are like family, and you have
Speaker 1: more bonds. So Anthony Richardson, to me, is a more
Speaker 1: intrinsically talented player who integrates information better, does it faster,
Speaker 1: just doesn't have as much experience doing it. So when
Speaker 1: people scream that he throws the big six on covered two,
Speaker 1: or that he tries to make the Matthew Stafford heroic
Speaker 1: throw with the defensive tackle in his chest while he's
Speaker 1: on the move late in the game, or that his
Speaker 1: receivers drop a number of passes that are catchable, they're missing,
Speaker 1: they're missing. That he's putting the ball exactly where it
Speaker 1: needs to be in many places, layering throws like Justin Herbert,
Speaker 1: moving in the pocket like a season pro, and that
Speaker 1: he's closer to a he's going to be like Josh
Speaker 1: Allen in the sense that Josh Allen may need a
Speaker 1: little bit of time for him to fix the footwork
Speaker 1: a little bit to be a little more accurate, but
Speaker 1: he's going to be closer to a Ben Roethlisberger, Josh Allen,
Speaker 1: Steve McNair type of player, which means that he could
Speaker 1: be an future MVP. I see McNair never had a practice.
Speaker 1: I feel like that dude never practice and he was
Speaker 1: always out there and you're like, oh, here he goes
Speaker 1: game winning drive again. I mean, it just seems like that.
Speaker 1: And by the way, twenty years leads Matt to the
Speaker 1: perfect analogy. So twenty years of experience that is outstanding.
Speaker 1: That was a great analogy. Let me ask you just
Speaker 1: in terms of fantasy, is there any landing scenario Anthony
Speaker 1: Richardson's slips where you put CG. Strout, Bryce Young, any
Speaker 1: of these guys that you have ranked in the similar range,
Speaker 1: in the same tier ahead of him in terms of
Speaker 1: dynasty value. Absolutely, Las Vegas, because Josh McDaniels is has
Speaker 1: a very bad reputation as a quarterback or a quarterback
Speaker 1: coach or a coach. Because as you know, I've heard that,
Speaker 1: I heard this long story that I won't get into
Speaker 1: in great detail, but the former GM for the Broncos
Speaker 1: during that era that they brought on that they brought
Speaker 1: on Jake Cutler and they brought on Josh McDaniels later
Speaker 1: after that. I can tell you because I was on
Speaker 1: the show with Brandon Thorne when he was the producer
Speaker 1: and I was the guest. You know, he told the
Speaker 1: story about how Josh McDaniels ripped Jake Cutler after his
Speaker 1: Pro Bowl season first conversation, not high and nice to
Speaker 1: meet you, just like he went full Vince Lombardi before
Speaker 1: Frank Gifford and Company. He had to tell Vince Lombardi
Speaker 1: that you're a young kid. You need to shut up,
Speaker 1: sit down, and like we know you're smart, just like
Speaker 1: learn and try and be a people person a little
Speaker 1: bit more before Lombardi became great and Josh McDaniels went
Speaker 1: like pre New York Giants Vince Lombardi on him, and
Speaker 1: Cutler turned to his agent and said, get me out
Speaker 1: of here. That was the That was the story. So
Speaker 1: McDaniels has a lot to prove as a developer, and
Speaker 1: because of the offense that he has, it's much more
Speaker 1: about throwing short it's much more about giving them a
Speaker 1: lot of information for the defense to look at right away,
Speaker 1: but it's more from the pocket. And while Richardson can
Speaker 1: eventually do that if he had a better coach in
Speaker 1: terms of a personality who's proven, I would be okay
Speaker 1: with that. But Tom Brady. Tom Brady could tell Josh
Speaker 1: McDaniels to sit down and shut up and stop being
Speaker 1: a bleep and he bleep you know, probably four and
Speaker 1: get away with it. There are not a lot of
Speaker 1: young quarterbacks who could, so I would say that would
Speaker 1: be the worst case scenario for him. Now, Matt, in
Speaker 1: the rookie scutting portfolio, you acknowledge the impressive tools that
Speaker 1: Will let Us has, but you leave the distinct impression
Speaker 1: that you think let Us would be an extremely risky
Speaker 1: selection if he were a top ten pick. What are
Speaker 1: your biggest concerns. You're such a gentleman about this, you know.
Speaker 1: But here's the deal. I mean, if you get him
Speaker 1: in a situation where he can be like Jordan Love
Speaker 1: and have two to three years to sit on the bench,
Speaker 1: maybe three to four, and he really works at his craft,
Speaker 1: maybe there's a chance that that can get better. Because
Speaker 1: the like he said, he's the tools the guy in
Speaker 1: this draft, even if it's not like the greatest tools
Speaker 1: you've ever seen. But the problem with him is that
Speaker 1: he's about two to three beats late. With processing the field,
Speaker 1: and as we're starting to learn that the close yard
Speaker 1: in the middle of the field, starting at you know,
Speaker 1: starting at the snap before the snap, the more you
Speaker 1: have to process information at a high speed. And for
Speaker 1: quarterback that means that when you see leverage that's advantageous
Speaker 1: for your receiver, whether he's looks open or not, you
Speaker 1: have to understand that it's open and you have to
Speaker 1: get the ball out like that. It's got to be
Speaker 1: like the comedian hitting their mark and telling a good joke,
Speaker 1: because you can have the greatest jokes in the world,
Speaker 1: and if you don't have timing, the joke's gonna fall flat.
Speaker 1: And that's what happened with like Alex Smith was one
Speaker 1: of the worst comedians that we've ever seen at the
Speaker 1: quarterback position. Patrick Mahomes but is funny as all get out.
Speaker 1: You know, he's like he's the Richard Pryor of quarterbacks
Speaker 1: at this point. So you know, when we look at
Speaker 1: when we look at Levis, he's two to three beats late.
Speaker 1: And then when you look at his feet, he's got
Speaker 1: footwork issues and drive accuracy. You know, you want the
Speaker 1: midline of your back foot pointing where the target's going
Speaker 1: to be midline of his backfoot is pointing where the
Speaker 1: target actually is, not where it's going to be. He
Speaker 1: has the front toe for that refined accuracy needs to
Speaker 1: be pointed at that where the target is going to be. Too.
Speaker 1: His toes way out to the left side or the
Speaker 1: opposite side of the field of where he's going, and
Speaker 1: then he tries to fix these two positions of his
Speaker 1: feet as he's releasing the ball. Doesn't work that way.
Speaker 1: And the fact that he's had a quarterback coach and
Speaker 1: Rich Scangarello who's been in the NFL for years though
Speaker 1: he's had a series of one year jobs, which makes
Speaker 1: you wonder, you know how effective that's been, how you know,
Speaker 1: in terms of how easy is to work with whatever.
Speaker 1: And he hasn't fixed that yet. He hadn't fixed that
Speaker 1: year two, you know, hasn't worked on it. Those are
Speaker 1: two things that are going to take some time to do.
Speaker 1: And when you put all that together, it's hard for
Speaker 1: me to be confident that he is an NFL caliber
Speaker 1: quarterback right now. And really, to me, if I were
Speaker 1: grading him, I think he's a third string caliber quarterback
Speaker 1: at best. You're also not crazy about some of the
Speaker 1: things that you've seen from Hendon Hooker. You know he's
Speaker 1: showing up in the first round of some mock drafts,
Speaker 1: and you have recommended that Dynasty managers monitor him from
Speaker 1: afar unless they're able to stash him away on either
Speaker 1: IR or a taxi squad. What are your worries with Hooker? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, for me, I feel much better about Hooker
Speaker 1: than Will Levis. To be honest, like Hooker, I think
Speaker 1: has NFL caliber skills and that he can be a
Speaker 1: backup this year if he were healthy. Next year he'll
Speaker 1: be able to be I think a number three and
Speaker 1: a number two maybe if you really want to push it,
Speaker 1: and that eventually he might become a journeyman if everything
Speaker 1: comes together. My concerns is that even the things he
Speaker 1: does well, he can be a beat or too late
Speaker 1: with processing, like downfield throws. He plays in an offense
Speaker 1: that is maybe four to six years away from actually
Speaker 1: trickling down to the NFL. In the standpoint of that,
Speaker 1: everything spread out wide, the field spread out extremely why,
Speaker 1: and you know him reading the field hasn't been great.
Speaker 1: He's not a He's like Robert Griffin in the sense
Speaker 1: that he's athletic, but he's not real mobile or maneuverable
Speaker 1: or flexible as a mover. So you know, I like
Speaker 1: the skills to build on. I don't love the skills
Speaker 1: as a first round player. I think that's the one
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Speaker 1: slash Dynasty. Now, Matt, I've been talking about Began Robinson
Speaker 1: for a couple of seasons here because, as you can
Speaker 1: see in the background here, I am a Texas fan,
Speaker 1: huge Bijean fan. I'm actually buddies with his uncle is
Speaker 1: this guy the next Ladanian Tomlinson. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: I don't. I'm hyperbolic about long horns, of course, sure,
Speaker 1: but this is one of the best running backs I've
Speaker 1: ever seen coming into the draft. You know, say Quon
Speaker 1: was up there as well. I love this dude, super
Speaker 1: hard worker as well, as you pointed out in your RSP.
Speaker 1: So I am so excited about him. Do you match
Speaker 1: my level of intensity and excitement about Bijean Robinson? Is?
Speaker 1: I guess is my question. I probably never could, but
Speaker 1: I can appreciate it, and I definitely appreciate Bejean Robinson.
Speaker 1: He is certainly in that tier of guys like Chub
Speaker 1: and Barkley and Todd Gurley and guys that we've seen
Speaker 1: along those lines. He can be a difference maker. And
Speaker 1: you know, my comparison for him was two players that
Speaker 1: if you put them together, you might get LTI Frank
Speaker 1: Core and Reggie Bush. If you kind of took the
Speaker 1: combination of both those players, that might actually equal Ladanian Tomlinson.
Speaker 1: I don't think he's quite as I don't. I think
Speaker 1: he's agile as LT. I don't think he puts it
Speaker 1: quite together as intelligently as LT does or when LTI did.
Speaker 1: You're also probably not going to see him in am
Speaker 1: already Shottenheimer offense that pounds the rock at the level
Speaker 1: that maximizes what lt he could do. But at the
Speaker 1: same time, you know he's an excellent receiver. He has
Speaker 1: gotten better. Like there were some things I saw in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one that kind of thought, well, he's more
Speaker 1: like the worst of Barkley as a decision maker in
Speaker 1: some regards, and he's shored that up. You know, part
Speaker 1: of that is learning how to hug blocks at the
Speaker 1: line of scrimmage so that you're when you're making a cutback,
Speaker 1: you stay tight to your block and then the backs
Speaker 1: of the pursuit coming down the line can't reach you,
Speaker 1: or if they do reach you, it's not getting a
Speaker 1: body on you, it's getting a hand on you so
Speaker 1: that you can run through them. But you know, size, speed, strength,
Speaker 1: receiving ability, decent blocker who's going to get better. There's
Speaker 1: no reason that you don't consider him the top player
Speaker 1: in the draft class, especially with early on how teams
Speaker 1: are going to try to use him. He should be.
Speaker 1: He should be a fantasy producer from the jump. So
Speaker 1: everyone's got Bijean as the number one with a bullet
Speaker 1: and then it seems like everyone's got Jamir Gibbs sort
Speaker 1: of as this tier unto himself than the rest of
Speaker 1: the pack. After that, Do you see it that way also,
Speaker 1: and do you think if you do, is gives closer
Speaker 1: to Bijon or is he closer to the pack? I
Speaker 1: would almost I kind of have it. Well, I've got
Speaker 1: like six players that I think all belong or five
Speaker 1: to six players that I think all belong in the
Speaker 1: same Tierum, Bijean's obviously at the top of that tier,
Speaker 1: but gives to me is fit based to depend on
Speaker 1: whether he's closer to that pack or closer to Bijean
Speaker 1: in terms of how that's expressed for fantasy or for
Speaker 1: you know, just production value. Gibbs took me a while
Speaker 1: to come around on, to be honest, I saw him
Speaker 1: more early on in his career as maybe and I
Speaker 1: loved Justin Jackson as a talent. He just couldn't stay
Speaker 1: healthy and he got basically beaten out by Austin Eckler
Speaker 1: because he couldn't stay healthy. He was looking good early on.
Speaker 1: What might have happened if the team was like sold
Speaker 1: on him early could if he had gotten more shots,
Speaker 1: and um, that's a that's an interesting question of what
Speaker 1: if for someone like myself, maybe fantasy players are go bah,
Speaker 1: it's just he's great, you know. But um, But that said,
Speaker 1: I kind of thought Gibbs was more of a slightly
Speaker 1: better um, slightly better justin Jackson. Um who. But now
Speaker 1: that I've looked at his game a lot more, I
Speaker 1: would say he's kind of his aspirational players Marshall falk
Speaker 1: Um really quick footed, UM, excellent pass catcher, has to
Speaker 1: get better as a receiver. He can he can make
Speaker 1: certain types of plays in zone that are good. Um,
Speaker 1: but he's not that guy that Alabama constantly split out
Speaker 1: and used the way that you would think. They actually
Speaker 1: took him out of a lot of plays on passing
Speaker 1: downs that you would think he would stay in conceptually,
Speaker 1: So he's gonna you know, I see the Kamara comparisons,
Speaker 1: and from a quickness, ability to squeeze through a tight crease,
Speaker 1: you know, the speed, the hands that's there, that's great.
Speaker 1: The difference is that Alvin Kamara is like a zen
Speaker 1: master of contact balance that I have never seen before.
Speaker 1: And I mean like it's I still have Saints fans
Speaker 1: who love my Twitter page because I've shown stuff on
Speaker 1: Twitter about a video of like some of the crate,
Speaker 1: there's a play against Carolina where he literally there's I
Speaker 1: still don't understand how he got hit and knocked backwards
Speaker 1: and came back right up like kind of one of
Speaker 1: those kitty punching bags that have the round bottom or
Speaker 1: a blocking tool kind of he came right back up
Speaker 1: and was able. I still don't know how he did that,
Speaker 1: and Gibbs doesn't isn't remotely like that. So good player.
Speaker 1: I agree he's the number two guy, but I think
Speaker 1: there's three to four guys who could be mentioned in
Speaker 1: the Robinson Gibbs tire. And when it's all said and done,
Speaker 1: I know one of those guys, Matt is Taiji Spears,
Speaker 1: and Spears obviously, you know, rose up a lot of
Speaker 1: boards just based on what he did in the Rose
Speaker 1: Bowl against usc which was an amazing performance. And I
Speaker 1: suggest anyone that hasn't seen Tiji Spears go back and
Speaker 1: watch that game if you want to just fall in
Speaker 1: love with a running back. He was unbelievable in that game.
Speaker 1: And speaking of Texas, one of the comps that you
Speaker 1: have on him is Jamal Charles, and I love it
Speaker 1: because this is another speedy back. Tell me about that
Speaker 1: comp please, Yes, Well, I haven't comped anybody to Jamal
Speaker 1: Charles in a while. I don't think, and anybody who
Speaker 1: I think, I think when you look at Charles, the
Speaker 1: thing that's awesome was awesome about him is in addition
Speaker 1: to the speed and the agility that Spears has. The agility,
Speaker 1: he has a quickness, it's totally there is the control
Speaker 1: of the footwork to when you have to take a
Speaker 1: sideline approach on a perimeter run where you're taking the
Speaker 1: runway towards the boundary and then you have to cut downhill.
Speaker 1: You want to see backs do that as efficiently as possible.
Speaker 1: And for me it's like, you know, if you're making
Speaker 1: that cut between the tackles, you can do that with him.
Speaker 1: You should be able to do that with one step
Speaker 1: if you're working to the near side of the field,
Speaker 1: one to two steps, when the far side of the field,
Speaker 1: maybe two to three is acceptable. If you just want
Speaker 1: to be a committee back, you know, a guy who's
Speaker 1: like people being on the field. But when you're a
Speaker 1: guy like Spears who can do all of those with
Speaker 1: no gather step needed. You can just immediately just plant
Speaker 1: your foot and your downhill and do it after you've
Speaker 1: been running at a good clip, a good pace. That's
Speaker 1: special and he has that specially in the USC game.
Speaker 1: Like you mentioned, I don't see many guys who have
Speaker 1: the cajones to say at running back to work in
Speaker 1: the middle of the crease and give a leg and
Speaker 1: take it away on a middle linebacker in the middle
Speaker 1: of a tight space and get away with it. Now.
Speaker 1: Will he get away with that in the NFL? Probably not.
Speaker 1: But like Jamal Charles, who I always equated to as
Speaker 1: that kid who was failing algebra because he was in
Speaker 1: this basement at night, late at night doing physics projects
Speaker 1: that would be along somewhere in cal Tech, you know.
Speaker 1: And then Todd Hailey said, look, man, I know you
Speaker 1: possibly could do this stuff, but you gotta figure out
Speaker 1: how to mature a little bit and figure out what's
Speaker 1: within your wheelhouse against these top athletes. And once he did,
Speaker 1: he was still ultra creative and special. And of course
Speaker 1: he also had the cohones to tell Texas people when
Speaker 1: Adrian Peterson jilt deem, you're gonna make I'm gonna make
Speaker 1: you forget about Adrian Peterson. While I don't believe he did,
Speaker 1: I always remembered that, and I always and when I
Speaker 1: watched his game, I said, well, he came as close
Speaker 1: as anybody possibly could. That kid's special guy if he
Speaker 1: can like learn to tame it, and Spears is that guy.
Speaker 1: I would also recommend watch the Houston game and watch
Speaker 1: the Memphis game because he's a good receiver too. Like Charles,
Speaker 1: they batched him up outside and key situations like overtime
Speaker 1: one on one with corners and he could win there,
Speaker 1: so I you know, he's not a powerful guy. But
Speaker 1: like Jamal Charles, what I learned the most from Jamal
Speaker 1: Charles watching his game for running backs is that if
Speaker 1: you initiate the contact and you have the quickness to
Speaker 1: do it, you initiate the chain of events that happened
Speaker 1: next with that interaction. And therefore, if you're quicker, you
Speaker 1: can shock a defensive tackle with a quick strike and
Speaker 1: then spin off it or duck under it or you know,
Speaker 1: and those types of things are what made Jamal Charles special.
Speaker 1: I think Taijay Spears may not be quite Jamal Charles,
Speaker 1: but he's closer to it than I've seen. When we
Speaker 1: had you on the show a year ago, Matt, you
Speaker 1: were telling us about your enthusiasm for an unheralded Tasmanian
Speaker 1: devil nanned Isaiah Pacheco, and then lo and behold. Ten
Speaker 1: months later, he's moving the chains in the Super Bowl
Speaker 1: for the Kansas City Chiefs. Is there an Isaiah Pacheco?
Speaker 1: And this year is there are there candidates to have
Speaker 1: that sort of impact from someone who maybe we're not
Speaker 1: aware of the winds up coming out of the ether
Speaker 1: to surprise everyone, I'm gonna give you two and one
Speaker 1: is tye On Evans out of Louisville, who is a
Speaker 1: transfer from Kentucky and from Tennessee and before that Hutchinson
Speaker 1: Community College. And he is a five nine, two hundred
Speaker 1: and twenty five pound back with four or five speed.
Speaker 1: He's in that dimensions of like you know, Ray Rice,
Speaker 1: Travis Henry. He can run through you, run around you,
Speaker 1: run over you. He's got them. You know, he can
Speaker 1: run both gap and zone schemes. He's a little better
Speaker 1: at one than the other. But you know, if they
Speaker 1: get the right fit or he develops just a little
Speaker 1: bit more, he's gonna be versatile, he can catch the ball.
Speaker 1: He's got some real potential as a blocker. I just
Speaker 1: think that because he transferred a couple of times and
Speaker 1: he was a community college guy, that he's getting a
Speaker 1: little bit overlooked the other guy that i've This is
Speaker 1: the second time I've only mentioned him, and last night
Speaker 1: was the first time, and I reviewed film on him
Speaker 1: on a Bears related podcast the TTNL network, Keeping It
Speaker 1: one hundred. Those guys are great. But is Christopher Brooks
Speaker 1: out of BYU who was transferred from Cal six one
Speaker 1: two thirty five, and he has great feat Zach Zener,
Speaker 1: the former line I think is training him or representing
Speaker 1: him on the number which but he is. He can catch,
Speaker 1: he has good feet. He is an old fashioned pile moving,
Speaker 1: powerful back with good feet who can make the first
Speaker 1: man miss either against penetration or in the hole. He's
Speaker 1: not going to do crazy jump cuts. But he can
Speaker 1: run wine back, he can run power, he can run counter,
Speaker 1: he can run zone, especially inside zone. And he reminds
Speaker 1: me at first of guys like Gus Edwards Um and
Speaker 1: some a GP Ryan at best, middle ground maybe Mike
Speaker 1: Mike Anderson, the old Broncos back and high end, he
Speaker 1: might be more James Connor than people realize. And I
Speaker 1: don't think he's gonna get drafted. But when he when
Speaker 1: he's gonna make a roster, I bet. What about on
Speaker 1: the other side, Matt, who are we overvaluing? And when
Speaker 1: I say we, I mean just the media, maybe the
Speaker 1: fantasy media in general. Who are we looking at? Going, Oh,
Speaker 1: I like this guy, but you are a little lower
Speaker 1: on Yeah, that's a good question, you know. I think that,
Speaker 1: you know, we could say Chris Rodriguez as a sleeper.
Speaker 1: People talk about him that way, but I think it's
Speaker 1: Tank Pigsby, Tank Bigsby. Ever. I wanted to like Tank Bigsby.
Speaker 1: Everyone I know, even scouts that I know, were kind
Speaker 1: of like, you're gonna love Tank Bigsby when you watch him.
Speaker 1: I just know you are, because he's you know, you
Speaker 1: like those backs who break a lot of tackles and
Speaker 1: all that. But when I watched him, I wasn't as impressed.
Speaker 1: I thought that he gets frustrated very easily and tries
Speaker 1: to bounce things outside that he shouldn't when it needs
Speaker 1: to stay within the scope of the play. I think
Speaker 1: he has a lot of tools in terms of being
Speaker 1: able to use footwork combinations, but he doesn't know how
Speaker 1: to combine them all that well, and so there's some
Speaker 1: issues there. I think he's used a lot on certain
Speaker 1: types of plays that you're just not going to see
Speaker 1: maybe as much, and maybe you will now that they're
Speaker 1: simplifying the offenses to run more countering gaps, so maybe
Speaker 1: he'll work on some of that. He's improved his speed,
Speaker 1: but to me, he's more like a Balal Powell type
Speaker 1: of back who I think can be good enough to
Speaker 1: help you and be a fantasy asset as a byeweek option,
Speaker 1: but I don't see him as a lead starter for
Speaker 1: a extended period of time. Probably a touchdown dependent guy.
Speaker 1: So I understand. I understand the talk there, and I
Speaker 1: like to so, but not as much as I like
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Speaker 1: let's move over to wide receivers, and Jackson Smith and
Speaker 1: Jigba seems as if he might be the only lock
Speaker 1: to go in the first round. That is what we're hearing,
Speaker 1: you know. I mean, I feel like anything that we're
Speaker 1: here right now about the draft from the media people,
Speaker 1: you can just crumple up the road in the trash.
Speaker 1: It is not real. But this is what we're hearing.
Speaker 1: And I know Jackson Smith and Jigba is at the
Speaker 1: top of most people's boards. Is he in fact worth
Speaker 1: a first round pick? And are there any other wide
Speaker 1: receivers that you find first round worthy in this class?
Speaker 1: I think from the standpoint of what Jackson Smith and
Speaker 1: Jigba does well and if you want a slot receiver
Speaker 1: who can give you a little bit of either what
Speaker 1: Julian Edelman and Greg Jennings gave you, or even what
Speaker 1: Cooper Cup gave you to a degree, if you're that
Speaker 1: kind of team wide selling team where you spread the
Speaker 1: field a little bit more and you have the slot
Speaker 1: receiver on the field at all times, then I think
Speaker 1: Smith and Jigba can be that guy who maximizes that
Speaker 1: production in terms of receivers that could be first round picks. Well,
Speaker 1: if we're going to look traditionally from how GM see it,
Speaker 1: GM's like those bullet points, those guardrails so that they
Speaker 1: can kind of cover their assets when they explain the
Speaker 1: people why a guy fails, and part of that is
Speaker 1: they want guys with hight, extreme speed, you know, and
Speaker 1: that's something that really the next two guys on my list,
Speaker 1: who I think our first round caliber players, A Flowers
Speaker 1: and Jordan Addison don't have They don't have that height,
Speaker 1: they don't have that weight. But in the end, I
Speaker 1: think that they're going to be players who can be
Speaker 1: long term values, maybe even wide receiver ones for their teams,
Speaker 1: especially as A Flowers Jordan Addison I think will be
Speaker 1: that kind of Devanta, a slightly better version of Devanta Smith.
Speaker 1: I know a lot of people loves Devanta still, but
Speaker 1: I think some people are realizing now that Devanta is
Speaker 1: kind of that guy, you know in those classic movies
Speaker 1: where they have the bully and there's the kid who's
Speaker 1: standing in front of them with the bully behind them,
Speaker 1: being the mouthpiece for the bully, you know. I think A. J.
Speaker 1: Brown's the bully and Devanta Smith is kind of the
Speaker 1: mouthpiece for the bully. And that's no slided at Devanta Smith.
Speaker 1: He's fantastic. But when you have the bully taken care
Speaker 1: of the primary corner who's going to cover you and
Speaker 1: bully you up the try to bully you back up
Speaker 1: the boundary and lose, That's not something Devonna Smith does well.
Speaker 1: And I have fears that maybe Jordan Addison might not
Speaker 1: quite be kind of be more like Devonna Smith in
Speaker 1: that way. Cedric Tillman I like him more than most.
Speaker 1: But would you draft Mike Williams in the first round.
Speaker 1: That's a big question. If you're looking at potential production
Speaker 1: and what he's been able to do, the answer might
Speaker 1: be that's a safe pick. I might go for that
Speaker 1: considering what we have as a bus, but the way
Speaker 1: GMS look at it probably not because they're looking for
Speaker 1: the ultimate primary guy who can do everything. Answer. But
Speaker 1: I just have a quick fall up on that Pat
Speaker 1: who was a wide receiver in recent years that you
Speaker 1: loved going into the draft, and he ended up in
Speaker 1: a spot where you're like, oh, gotta hate this for
Speaker 1: his skill set, his production under this coach, whatever it was.
Speaker 1: Do you do you have one of those recently? The
Speaker 1: Kim Butler. The Kim Butler went to a team that
Speaker 1: was that basically you could tell they were mixed on
Speaker 1: what they wanted from him, and then he really didn't
Speaker 1: get and you know he had drops. He certainly did.
Speaker 1: But you're watching him lighting it up in the in
Speaker 1: the you know, in was it the XFL right now
Speaker 1: or the USFL. It's the XFL. He's lightening it up
Speaker 1: in the XFL. Doesn't mean that's going to translate to
Speaker 1: the NFL, but he's gonna give another opportunity because you
Speaker 1: can see what's there. I mean, I just think that
Speaker 1: they wanted Andy Isabella. They you know, they ended up
Speaker 1: getting him too, but Andy Isabella wasn't good enough. You know,
Speaker 1: he had things to work on. And Kei Butler just
Speaker 1: like you just didn't really see what the opportunities were
Speaker 1: and he got labeled, and I think that maybe he'll
Speaker 1: be able to reform his image and we're going to
Speaker 1: see more from it. Yeah, that was a tough one.
Speaker 1: He was the favorite wide receiver of some people in
Speaker 1: that class and wound up being sliding down to day three.
Speaker 1: So UM, yeah, I mean that that was disappointing. Um,
Speaker 1: all right, Matt, I'm going to ask you for your
Speaker 1: rapid takes on three receivers who you maybe seem not
Speaker 1: wildly enthusiastic about. Um. First of all, Quentin Johnston, he
Speaker 1: is a if he can fix his hands positions, he
Speaker 1: could be the top receiver in this class. Because he
Speaker 1: hasn't completely yet and he's working on it, but it's
Speaker 1: still a struggle with his game, and that what separates
Speaker 1: a primary starter from a back from a guy who's
Speaker 1: more of a contributor in certain situations. He's at the
Speaker 1: top of my second tier as almost an immediate starter,
Speaker 1: but that's the thing that's in his way. Yeah. You
Speaker 1: you really get that point across in the RSP about
Speaker 1: how other people you know, that's just sort of a
Speaker 1: bullet under weaknesses for him. For you, it's like this
Speaker 1: could torpedo this guy's career. If this doesn't get fit,
Speaker 1: if it goes completely wrong, it could be Robert Me. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean, a guy with that size should not have
Speaker 1: a low contested ketchery. Josh Down should not have a
Speaker 1: higher contested ketcherate then than Quinton Johnson with his enormous size.
Speaker 1: So I understand that good segue box because the next
Speaker 1: guy list was Josh Downs. Yeah. I think for me
Speaker 1: this is if I'm going to bet there's a guy
Speaker 1: I missed on, like easily, it would be Josh Downs,
Speaker 1: but I would probably have to go back and rewatch
Speaker 1: some things. Right now, I just see him as more
Speaker 1: of a good slot receiver, but a guy like Jamison
Speaker 1: Crowder where everyone was excited about Jamison Crowder. Remember Mike
Speaker 1: Mays saying he could be more than a slot receiver.
Speaker 1: He could be, you know, an outside guy. He's a
Speaker 1: really sneaky good player, and I just think that he's
Speaker 1: kind of like the North Carolina version of Duke's Jamison Crowder.
Speaker 1: Jalen Hyatt speedy loved where you can fit him. He
Speaker 1: could be terrific for a team, but for a fantasy team,
Speaker 1: I think of Henry Ruggs and early in his career.
Speaker 1: I think of Ted Ginn. I think of players who
Speaker 1: did they have the contested catch skills, And I didn't
Speaker 1: see that on film, and I watched pretty much, you know,
Speaker 1: every I did watch every every play of his last year,
Speaker 1: and the one that I remember was a back shoulder
Speaker 1: fade where the defender was still a good yard off him.
Speaker 1: I haven't seen any contested plays, and maybe he can
Speaker 1: do it, but until he proves it, I can't give
Speaker 1: him the great harder to run by guys in the
Speaker 1: NFL than it is at the college level. Um, now
Speaker 1: met one guy. A lot of people are super down
Speaker 1: on is Kishan Boote after his poor combine results, But
Speaker 1: you're scouting report on him has a pretty optimistic tone
Speaker 1: and you had some interesting comps for him. So which
Speaker 1: NFL receivers do you see as the closest comparisons. Yeah,
Speaker 1: when you look at Keishan Boute, I mean, the fun
Speaker 1: thing about him is, you know, he's five eleven, one
Speaker 1: ninety five. He ran a four five forty four two
Speaker 1: five twenty and everybody got down on his twenty nine
Speaker 1: inch vertical league because he were supposed to jump high.
Speaker 1: But you know the same. Similar profiles for those two
Speaker 1: guys are Robert Woods and Jarvis Landry, and he's quicker
Speaker 1: than both and he's faster than Landry. But he can
Speaker 1: make the first man miss. Most of his play is
Speaker 1: on the ground. He's making people miss after the catch,
Speaker 1: one or two people almost consistently. He's good at being
Speaker 1: able to win the ball in the air. He's he's
Speaker 1: skilled as a route runner. He just got banged up.
Speaker 1: People expecting to be Jamal Charles, Jamal excuse me, Jamar
Speaker 1: Chase and nobody can be Jamar Chase or Jamaal Charles.
Speaker 1: And you know he uh, you know. And on top
Speaker 1: of that, he's someone whom you know. Because of those
Speaker 1: things and the combine, people went nuts about it. But
Speaker 1: it's the same thing with Dalvin Cook at the running
Speaker 1: back position. He had a low vertical and people got
Speaker 1: down on him and they didn't realize that his style
Speaker 1: of play was based on Kirby linear movement, not on
Speaker 1: jump cuts, not on hard cuts. He never does that.
Speaker 1: He rarely makes these cuts. He's pivoting his feet almost
Speaker 1: to change his direction. It looks like two pistons, you know,
Speaker 1: So you have to understand how to match the player
Speaker 1: style to the metrics, and the metrics matches playing style.
Speaker 1: I think he's going to be basically in that realm
Speaker 1: of Woods and Jarvis Landry, maybe a little better than Landry,
Speaker 1: not quite Woods. We'll see, maybe maybe he'll get to
Speaker 1: Woods level at his peak. How much do you consider
Speaker 1: you know, because Kashana is one of those guys that
Speaker 1: had a horrible attitude the last year. You know, he
Speaker 1: was like, I hate that this is news, but it's
Speaker 1: news now. Like he unfollows all of the LSU stuff
Speaker 1: on Twitter and Instagram and all that stuff, and then
Speaker 1: he refollows it and he kind of you can see
Speaker 1: him take plays off things like that, just just little
Speaker 1: nagging off field things. His attitude at the combine didn't
Speaker 1: seem very great. This is probably not a dude that's
Speaker 1: going to interview very well. How much does that? How
Speaker 1: much of that goes into you know, your your profiles
Speaker 1: and your consideration anything at all? Nothing? Because here's the quick,
Speaker 1: the quick and dirty about it is that even with
Speaker 1: teams that do this stuff, they get it wrong, like
Speaker 1: you think they. I mean literally, Like I've heard story
Speaker 1: after story from scouts and guys who consult with teams
Speaker 1: on things, and teams don't understand that maybe they need
Speaker 1: to have like a psychologist, an industrial psychologist, maybe they
Speaker 1: need to have somebody with a lawn enforcement background actually
Speaker 1: checking these things and doing it in a way because
Speaker 1: a lot of teams, what happens is they assigned them
Speaker 1: the scouts who are you know, twenty five to thirty
Speaker 1: five years old, the bulk of them who this is
Speaker 1: their only job. They've never really interviewed people before. They've
Speaker 1: been told what to interview. But then they're also told
Speaker 1: to editorialize or to make decisions based on what they heard.
Speaker 1: So if you know, if Pat goes into goes into
Speaker 1: a bar, goes to a school, and the guy says
Speaker 1: and the recruiting quarterer says, yeah, he's partying all the time,
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna pick on Pat today because I just
Speaker 1: love Pat. Is that like I pick on him? Is
Speaker 1: that you know? He And he just goes back to
Speaker 1: the team and says, this guy's a partier. Take them
Speaker 1: off our boards. And they go, okay, you go to
Speaker 1: the school or I'm gonna be nice nicer to you, Scott.
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna it'll be me. I go to the school,
Speaker 1: and I at least go to the bar that I
Speaker 1: was told that he goes to. And I asked him,
Speaker 1: does he show you see this guy? He goes, yeah,
Speaker 1: he shows up three times a week. And then I go, well,
Speaker 1: see there you go. That's confirmation. And then you show
Speaker 1: up and you're the only wise one of the three
Speaker 1: of us because you asked him, hollums, he stay about
Speaker 1: an hour and a half. What time does he come here?
Speaker 1: About seven thirty? What does he does he drink anything? Nope,
Speaker 1: brings a bottle of water every time. Same three friends
Speaker 1: talks to some people, leaves, never had a problem, good tipper,
Speaker 1: nice guy, wildly different ideas of what that is. And
Speaker 1: also you have to understand that maturity is a factor too,
Speaker 1: Fred Taylor, I could tell the story now needed a
Speaker 1: bodyguard to an off duty police officer to actually take him.
Speaker 1: I think he probably told this story by now on
Speaker 1: those players he's doing. But I heard this ten years
Speaker 1: ago and I did an RSP. I kind of made
Speaker 1: a slightly based on reality version of this ten years
Speaker 1: ago and one of my site articles about how you
Speaker 1: would handle a situation like this. He still thought he
Speaker 1: was at the University of Florida partying. When he was
Speaker 1: in Jacksonville, he nearly missed a flight. You don't miss
Speaker 1: a team flight as a player. So they put an off,
Speaker 1: a retired police officer to carry his keys around and
Speaker 1: follow him from wherever he went. He was just a partier,
Speaker 1: he wasn't a bad guy. But to do that and
Speaker 1: make sure that he got to the airport on time
Speaker 1: no matter what condition he was in, that's that's way
Speaker 1: different than on following people on Twitter. So yes, yes,
Speaker 1: obviously there are levels in layers too and all. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm not making excuses for Kashawn Boutet, but I do
Speaker 1: think he's like one of the youngest wide receivers in
Speaker 1: this class too, Like I don't think he's turned twenty
Speaker 1: one yet. And imagine being told you're the next Jamaar
Speaker 1: Chase justin Jefferson, you know those guys, and you think
Speaker 1: you're that's going to happen, and the program goes right, yeah,
Speaker 1: and there eight yard game as a freshman, and everyone thinks, here,
Speaker 1: you know, you think you're king of the world. I'm
Speaker 1: sure let's go to tight ends to and this out here, Matt,
Speaker 1: and let's just start at the top or the perceived
Speaker 1: top of this class with Don Kincaid, he's your number
Speaker 1: one tight end. He has drawn Travis Kelsey comparisons a
Speaker 1: lot of people. I mean, this is the thing you
Speaker 1: hear from a lot of people. Is that fair? And
Speaker 1: is it really fair to compare anyone to Travis Kelsey
Speaker 1: because he's probably the best tight end that ever play.
Speaker 1: Not completely but fair, but it's fair enough to compare him.
Speaker 1: As a receiver. He has the ability to go above
Speaker 1: the rim like Kelsey, great hand eye coordination, great skill,
Speaker 1: and tight coverage after the catch. I would even compare
Speaker 1: him to an extent because he actually makes the first
Speaker 1: man miss consistently, if not the second or third man.
Speaker 1: He's very good at being able to break tackles. He
Speaker 1: generally either breaks the tackle or makes a first man miss,
Speaker 1: and you don't see that from a lot of tight ends.
Speaker 1: So that's all there. Now. As a blocker, no, no chance.
Speaker 1: Can't compare him to Kelsey. Even though people say he's
Speaker 1: not a great blocker. He could have been a great blocker.
Speaker 1: They didn't want to use him that way because they
Speaker 1: don't want to wear him down. They want to use
Speaker 1: leverage him as a receiver, Kincaid is more of a
Speaker 1: lead blocker. He's more of a guy that you use
Speaker 1: on why backs, or on pulling blocks on counter or
Speaker 1: use him as a stock blocker. And that's enough. If
Speaker 1: a team realizes that's what he's going to be and
Speaker 1: they use him in a spread offense like Kelsey, he
Speaker 1: can be that guy. Now. The rest of this tight
Speaker 1: end group is deep, especially for fantasy. Michael Mayer seems
Speaker 1: the most pro ready out of this group in terms
Speaker 1: of being able to catch the ball end block Musgrave, Laporta,
Speaker 1: Craft all seem like great receiving options. Washington is a
Speaker 1: physical freak. Is there anyone from this group who you
Speaker 1: know is maybe a tear or two lower for you?
Speaker 1: And is anyone else that should be up in this group? Sure?
Speaker 1: I think that I like Michael Mayory a lot. I
Speaker 1: think I would agree with the assessment that he is
Speaker 1: probably the most pro ready guy because he's a good
Speaker 1: blocker and he's a proven zone receiver who can win
Speaker 1: man to man in tight coverage in short, you know,
Speaker 1: short to early intermediate ranges of the field, meaning the
Speaker 1: red like he could be a one on one matchup
Speaker 1: in the red zone. But if you're looking towards so
Speaker 1: to me, in many of these rookie classes that we've
Speaker 1: seen tight ends, he would have been top one, two
Speaker 1: or three in the past three to five rookie classes
Speaker 1: that either. But this class has guys with more promise
Speaker 1: athletically because you're not going to match I'm sorry, you're
Speaker 1: not going to match up Michael Mayer on the outside
Speaker 1: on the level that you do with Travis Kelcey or
Speaker 1: Rob Gronkowski. I just don't think he has that. I
Speaker 1: know that some people say that, well they used him differently,
Speaker 1: but I've used him, I've watched him multiple years. I
Speaker 1: just didn't see that level of athletic ability at Dalton
Speaker 1: Schultzer closer to like Gronk and those guys, you know,
Speaker 1: to me, if the comparison I think that I have
Speaker 1: for him real quick, let's see, the compent I had
Speaker 1: for him is more like Hunter Henry when Hunter Henry
Speaker 1: was you know, is really with a good weapon at quarterback?
Speaker 1: Pat fryar Mouth, you know Austin Hooper, that's the low
Speaker 1: end Austin Hooper. You know Hunter Henriette. His best is
Speaker 1: the is more of where I think he'll be and
Speaker 1: Pat friar Muth when I think where Pat Friar Muth
Speaker 1: is gonna be when his quarterback catches up is where
Speaker 1: his aspirational upside is. But you know guys that I
Speaker 1: think that should be up there Sam Laporta, because you know,
Speaker 1: no team's gonna pick Sam Laporta to be an inline blocker,
Speaker 1: but there's gonna be plenty of teams they're gonna use
Speaker 1: him out on the wing as a blocker, kind of
Speaker 1: like Kincaid. And he has terrific hants. He's someone who
Speaker 1: very good after the catch, really has a savvy of
Speaker 1: being able to get down field well. He runs good routes.
Speaker 1: He's more of a receiver as a route runner in
Speaker 1: a lot of respects. And then I would add Luke
Speaker 1: Scootmaker out of your schoonmocker out of Michigan. He's a
Speaker 1: top athlete. And but you know he's used a lot
Speaker 1: in line because he's the best blocker in this class
Speaker 1: if you ask me. And the fact that he didn't
Speaker 1: see him getting a lot of matchups. I do like
Speaker 1: the bend, I do like the quickness. I think that
Speaker 1: he may not be a matchup guy that Gronkowski was,
Speaker 1: but I think he could be one of the better
Speaker 1: all around tight ends in this crew. I think that's
Speaker 1: everything less fits. Do you have any more you know,
Speaker 1: questions for Waldman before he send him off to the
Speaker 1: next podcast. I'm sure he's booked up from now till
Speaker 1: the draft. Yeah, we know, Matt has media appearances stacked
Speaker 1: up this time of year, so I think we can
Speaker 1: let him go on that. We hit all the major positions,
Speaker 1: and I think all the major guys we wanted to
Speaker 1: ask him about. So odd, but man, I would definitely
Speaker 1: recommend checking out the RSP. Go get that thing. You know,
Speaker 1: I was telling Matt, I sat there on my couch
Speaker 1: on Saturday night, real exciting life, you know, at nine
Speaker 1: o'clock or whatever, with the dog asleep at my feet,
Speaker 1: just you know, reading plowing through the RSP, and you know,
Speaker 1: I love this stuff, like the the anecdote about you know, Matt,
Speaker 1: what you thought was your miss evaluation of Dak Prescott
Speaker 1: and how you kind of went back and like, you know,
Speaker 1: self audited your whole process just because you were curious
Speaker 1: about what you had missed there. And you know, that's
Speaker 1: just the dedication to your craft that you have, and
Speaker 1: it really shows in the RSP and there's just you know,
Speaker 1: there's like a little bit of everything, and there's some
Speaker 1: great storytelling, you know, obviously great scouting and evaluation, like
Speaker 1: so thorough with your process. Really impressive piece of work,
Speaker 1: and I urge people to go out and get it.
Speaker 1: And the analogy that the analogies our top notch, mister Walden,
Speaker 1: I mean, unbelievable. I love these, but please remind everyone
Speaker 1: where they can find the RSP. Yeah, you can find
Speaker 1: the RSP at Matt Waldman dot com. And I'll just
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Speaker 1: That's awesome, great guy, great information. Please check it out
Speaker 1: if you can at Matt Waldman on Twitter as well
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