Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Fantasy Pros Dynasty Fantasy Football Podcast.
Speaker 1: I'm your host, Scott Bogman. Follow me on the Twitter
Speaker 1: at Boglan Sports. I am joined as always by Pat
Speaker 1: Fitzmorris at FITS Underscore FF on the Twitter machine. We
Speaker 1: are at the tail end of the draft as we're
Speaker 1: recording this. It has been a long three days, FITSI
Speaker 1: lots to talk about, obviously, with the draft and the
Speaker 1: impact and the rookies and the landing spots. But how
Speaker 1: are you feeling after three days of draft madness here.
Speaker 2: In a word, Bogs spent, but in a good way. Yeah,
Speaker 2: we were talking about this. I mean three days. I
Speaker 2: think I've written like fifty rapid fantasy reaction blurbs for
Speaker 2: skilled players coming off the board, how they're going to fit,
Speaker 2: where they should go in dynasty drafts. I'm exhausted, but yeah, man,
Speaker 2: it's been a lot of fun, a lot of surprises.
Speaker 2: I think your Pittsburgh Steelers have killed it, and in
Speaker 2: no small part because they drafted two Wisconsin Badgers. And
Speaker 2: you know, Packers drafted Sean Clifford in the fifth round. Obviously,
Speaker 2: he still doesn't know what the hell he's doing, so
Speaker 2: you know, what are you gonna do?
Speaker 3: That was weird. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was on the end this League twitch, uh you know,
Speaker 1: streaming during it, and I had, you know, c K
Speaker 1: as a Packers guy, and as soon as they drafted
Speaker 1: Sean Clifford, you know, he wasn't there for day three.
Speaker 1: I text him and I was like, what are they doing?
Speaker 1: He's like, I have no idea, Like my only thought
Speaker 1: could be maybe Taysom Hill, right, like that's what you
Speaker 1: want to do with them?
Speaker 3: I guess maybe. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I guess maybe he's a mobile QB like Jordan loves,
Speaker 1: so you get a you know, a QB to back
Speaker 1: up like the QB you have.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I didn't understand. I felt like Danny Etling going to
Speaker 1: the Patriots. Who the is the only other QB on
Speaker 1: the Packers Russell right now? Clifford and Love and Ettling,
Speaker 1: So weird pick for sure.
Speaker 2: If The Rose Ball was the only film that uh
Speaker 2: Guda Kunstwa watched on Sean Clifford, I guess you could
Speaker 2: be tricked into thinking he could be an NFL backup.
Speaker 2: But yeah, kind of inexplicable. But it doesn't matter for
Speaker 2: the purposes of this show. Bogman because we are not
Speaker 2: going to be drafting Sean Clifford in not even in
Speaker 2: Super Flex.
Speaker 3: League, So absolutely not, no way.
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Speaker 1: for us. But fits, I mean, just your overall feel
Speaker 1: of this class for fantasy because mine is not great. No,
Speaker 1: you know, we had a lot of running backs end
Speaker 1: up in weird positions and we're gonna go position by
Speaker 1: position of course here, but you know, some of my
Speaker 1: favorite wide receivers, I mean, Hutchinson didn't even go till six.
Speaker 1: You know, a lot of running backs landing in spots
Speaker 1: where there's already running backs, which is just not great.
Speaker 1: I think this might have been this draft might have
Speaker 1: been the best for for QBS, to be honest.
Speaker 2: With you, Yeah, I mean that's kind of it. Bogs.
Speaker 2: Like a year ago we were salivating over what this
Speaker 2: draft class could potentially be you know, bijon, a lot
Speaker 2: of really promising quarterback prospects, some interesting wide receiver prospects,
Speaker 2: and like the tight ends, and really by the end
Speaker 2: of it, I mean it was like, yeah, some some
Speaker 2: top MQB talent, bijon tight end class is really good,
Speaker 2: but man, so many of the running backs and wide
Speaker 2: receivers just they they didn't pan out. We thought there
Speaker 2: was depth, you know, like if the landing spots had
Speaker 2: gone better, this could have been like an adequate rookie
Speaker 2: class for fantasy. But then man, the landing spots and
Speaker 2: so many situations and we'll get into the details here,
Speaker 2: but like they just didn't cooperate, or the draft capital
Speaker 2: didn't cooperate, and now, oh man, we're gonna just be
Speaker 2: kind of staggering into these rookie drafts, bogmen with like, Okay,
Speaker 2: what am I going to do after round one? And
Speaker 2: for that matter, what am I going to do at
Speaker 2: the end of round one?
Speaker 3: At the end of round one?
Speaker 1: Yes, exactly so, And this is you know, we talked
Speaker 1: on our stages, which we do on the Fantasy Pros
Speaker 1: Discord every single Friday at five pm Eastern. If you
Speaker 1: guys want to come on and talk with us about
Speaker 1: some fantasy football, please check that out. But you know,
Speaker 1: we talked about it, and a lot of the times
Speaker 1: I was saying, let's just wait and see where these
Speaker 1: guys land, you know, because a lot of trades are Hey,
Speaker 1: would you trade one point oh four for nine and
Speaker 1: two second rounders? I'm like, let's see where everybody lands.
Speaker 1: This is why. This is exactly why, because I mean,
Speaker 1: we didn't expect it to be as bad as this here.
Speaker 3: But I don't know, man, some of these spots are rough.
Speaker 3: But let's talk about the tippy top of.
Speaker 1: This board first before we get into positions, position by position,
Speaker 1: because there's only one player I feel like that you
Speaker 1: can already throw into the top end of you know,
Speaker 1: regular startup drafts, and that is Bjeon Robinson and you know,
Speaker 1: going to Atlanta. While I know a lot of people
Speaker 1: don't like, you know, the fit because their offense is
Speaker 1: somewhat stagnant a little bit. They don't have a good
Speaker 1: quarterback right there. There's a lot of little things there.
Speaker 1: But you know, this team runs more than any other
Speaker 1: team by a wide margin, and they haven't updated upgraded
Speaker 1: their quarterback. It's going to be Desmond Ritter, or as
Speaker 1: our boyd Bro called him, Desmond Mitter, you know, or
Speaker 1: Taylor Heineke at the helm here assumingly unless some weird
Speaker 1: trade happens before the season starts. But looks like that's
Speaker 1: what it's going to be, so they're gonna rely heavy
Speaker 1: on Bejeon. I know some people are afraid of Tyler
Speaker 1: Al's year, but you don't spend the eighth overall pick
Speaker 1: in the NFL draft, in my opinion, somewhat of a
Speaker 1: crutch argument, I know, but you don't spend the eighth
Speaker 1: overall pick in the draft to take someone and not
Speaker 1: give him the ball a lot. So maybe Tyler Algier
Speaker 1: still has a role, but his role is significantly reduced
Speaker 1: with the Atlanta Falcons by them taking Pawn Robinson and
Speaker 1: Robinson moves up. I mean, how high? How high do
Speaker 1: you think you're going to have him? Obviously the things
Speaker 1: are subject to change. This is instant reaction right now.
Speaker 1: But how hig are you going to have Bijon? Not
Speaker 1: in a super flex let's just say, in a regular
Speaker 1: dynasty league with one QB.
Speaker 3: How high is Beeon?
Speaker 2: Oh? I mean, he's he's my running back one for
Speaker 2: dynasty Boggs, you know, and then like even in re
Speaker 2: draft leagues, I think he's going to be my running
Speaker 2: back three or four. You know, like he's I'm a
Speaker 2: little concerned that he's going to be going up against
Speaker 2: a lot of loaded boxes. Uh, you know, not a
Speaker 2: lot of reason to play your safeties back when you're
Speaker 2: going up against Desmond Ritter and uh, you know, Bijeon
Speaker 2: is the bigger threats to do damage to you, and
Speaker 2: you know, maybe not a lot of touchdown potential. It's
Speaker 2: hard to see Bjon, you know, I think there there
Speaker 2: will be like fifteen touchdown seasons in Bijon's future at
Speaker 2: some point. I don't see it happening this year. I
Speaker 2: think it'll be hard for him to get to double digits.
Speaker 2: I think he could get to double digits, but like,
Speaker 2: I don't think he's gonna put up a splashy touchdown
Speaker 2: total in this offense. Yet they got to get the
Speaker 2: QB right before Bijon achieves you know, his maximum potential.
Speaker 2: But he's still gonna be.
Speaker 3: Really, I think I got him.
Speaker 1: I think I got him for double digit touchdowns in
Speaker 1: year one. I think I would put him there, But
Speaker 1: we'll see. I mean, they have weapons in the red zone.
Speaker 1: So it's a good point to make because sure Bijon
Speaker 1: scored a bunch of touchdowns at Texas, and some of
Speaker 1: those are going to be from you know, not the
Speaker 1: goal line and not even the red zone.
Speaker 3: Right, but.
Speaker 1: You know, you got Kyle Pitts, you have Drake London,
Speaker 1: so you know there is going to be there is
Speaker 1: going to be a little bit of a you know
Speaker 1: who is going to score at this time. But that's
Speaker 1: good for that offense. Like this is what you do.
Speaker 1: I mean, the Niners kind of set the mold here
Speaker 1: to me. You know, if you don't have an up Etchelong,
Speaker 1: you know, josh Allen, Patrick Mahomes, Aaron Rodgers, you know,
Speaker 1: you don't have Lamar Jackson quarterback, then you have to
Speaker 1: surround your quarterback who is a mid level quarterback, whoever
Speaker 1: it is, with weapons on weapons on weapons on weapons
Speaker 1: on weapons.
Speaker 3: And that is what they're doing.
Speaker 1: They have the number one tight end from a draft class,
Speaker 1: I have the number one running back from a draft class,
Speaker 1: and they have the number one wide receiver from a
Speaker 1: draft class. Now, so you know, the quarterback seems to
Speaker 1: be They're like the Minnesota Vikings have been for years
Speaker 1: and years. They're a quarterback away, right, is what it
Speaker 1: seems like with Atlanta now that they have kind of
Speaker 1: fixed that defense as well, So gonna be a fun
Speaker 1: team to watch. Here's here's the biggest question. I think,
Speaker 1: who is the second prospect in dynasty? Is it Jamir Gibbs,
Speaker 1: Is it Jordan Addison? Who are you taking second in
Speaker 1: this class?
Speaker 2: In one QB league's bugs. I think I'm taking Gibbs now,
Speaker 2: especially with the way okay look, and we were talking
Speaker 2: about this at length on our Discord show on Friday.
Speaker 2: The Lions terrible first round. I think maybe we had
Speaker 2: some issues with Gibbs going twelfth overall. You know, I
Speaker 2: certainly did. Or wait was a twelfth overall? It was
Speaker 2: twelfth of our Yeah, So like, even if you don't
Speaker 2: like the pick, clearly the Lions are anxious to uh
Speaker 2: work him into their offense. And you know later in
Speaker 2: the draft on Day three today they trade away DeAndre
Speaker 2: Swift for you know, I joked about it on the
Speaker 2: Discord channel for you know, someone offer the Lions a
Speaker 2: ham sandwich and I think they'll take it. They didn't.
Speaker 2: The Eagles didn't offer much more than a ham sandwich,
Speaker 2: a fourth roun pick in twenty twenty five, two years
Speaker 2: from now, and a swap of seventh round picks that
Speaker 2: moves the Lions up thirty picks in the final round
Speaker 2: of the draft. So not a lot to get DeAndre Swift.
Speaker 2: But now he's out of the way and it's Gibbs
Speaker 2: in Montgomery. And even though Gibbs, this Gibbs is not
Speaker 2: going to be a twenty touch a game guy, but
Speaker 2: we don't want him to be man. We want that
Speaker 2: Alvin Kamara early career usage where he probably doesn't carry
Speaker 2: it two hundred times a season, but he's getting something
Speaker 2: close to eighty targets in his rookie season.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's really what you want.
Speaker 1: You want like the you know, you want Okay seven
Speaker 1: to ten carries and you hope he gets seven to
Speaker 1: eight targets, right, Like, that's what you get. That puts it,
Speaker 1: you know, that puts you at maybe fifteen touches a
Speaker 1: week if if you're you know, everything's clicking right. But
Speaker 1: also specifically when Jamison Williams is suspended to start the season,
Speaker 1: this guy is going to play in the slot. He's
Speaker 1: gonna be out line up, out as a wide receiver
Speaker 1: on in multiple occasions.
Speaker 3: I'm sure.
Speaker 1: So I'm excited for him as a weapon. Yeah, not
Speaker 1: the best landing spot. Of course, we all would have
Speaker 1: liked to see him go to Cincinnati, right like, or
Speaker 1: Minnesota or somewhere where it seems like running back is
Speaker 1: gonna get cut or there's some playing time or you know,
Speaker 1: just an open spot and there's not. I mean, David
Speaker 1: Montgomery is going to lead that team and carries. I
Speaker 1: would assume he would have to perform very poorly, especially
Speaker 1: now the DeAndre Swift's out of the picture, to not
Speaker 1: do that.
Speaker 2: But I just we knew he was gonna a. He's
Speaker 2: number two.
Speaker 3: But he's number two with like A because I have
Speaker 3: to not like a.
Speaker 1: Hey, yes, Gibbs landed in this great spot, and you know,
Speaker 1: just the the rest of this draft class kind of
Speaker 1: left a little to be desired. How close is it
Speaker 1: between Gibbs and who's your third? Is it Addison or JSN?
Speaker 3: Still?
Speaker 2: It's JSN still, And yeah we can talk about the
Speaker 2: wide receiver the ordering like JSN. I haven't really wavered
Speaker 2: on the next three guys, the other three first round
Speaker 2: wide receivers, Like that's tricky. I mean, you could pretty
Speaker 2: much talk me into ordering those three guys any which
Speaker 2: way and i'd, you know, maybe buy your case no
Speaker 2: matter what. But yeah, like, I actually think it's kind
Speaker 2: of a not like a huge gap, but I think
Speaker 2: there's like no question between Gibbs and any of those
Speaker 2: wide receivers now and bugs. Like, I don't think there
Speaker 2: was any question that Gibbs was going to have some
Speaker 2: sort of platoon partner, you know what I mean, Like
Speaker 2: he was not going to be a twenty touch of
Speaker 2: game guy no matter where he went. So I don't
Speaker 2: dislike the Lions landing spot at all. They've got a
Speaker 2: pretty good offensive line. I like the play caller PN Johnson,
Speaker 2: you know, and I sort of like the direction of
Speaker 2: the team. I mean they're you know, maybe like I
Speaker 2: don't know, they're they're good enough that they're gonna have
Speaker 2: some run friendly game situations, but now so good that
Speaker 2: they're you know, not gonna want to dump off at
Speaker 2: any point. They're probably gonna be games where they're playing
Speaker 2: catch up, and maybe Gibbs does the same. That's kind
Speaker 2: of where DeAndre Swift got a lot of his value
Speaker 2: from the lines would be down and they go into
Speaker 2: catchup mode and they'd be dumping off to Swift like
Speaker 2: you know, three or four times a drive.
Speaker 1: And that's why he lost so much this year because
Speaker 1: they were winning. So bring in the closer, bring in
Speaker 1: Mariano Rivera. It's Jamal Williams to come in here and
Speaker 1: score another touchdown to cap it off. Yeah, so the
Speaker 1: the offense is different now for sure. So yeah, it's
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Speaker 1: let you choose. You want to go running backs, you
Speaker 1: want to go wide receivers. Do you want to start
Speaker 1: a qbs or tight ends to get them out of
Speaker 1: the way? You tell me where do.
Speaker 3: We want to go?
Speaker 2: Let's go QB's first bogs.
Speaker 1: All right, let's knock the QBS out first. And I
Speaker 1: mean to me, and I think you and I talked
Speaker 1: a little bit about this.
Speaker 3: It's Anthony Richardson at the top, ending up.
Speaker 1: With the number four overall pick to the Indianapolis Colts,
Speaker 1: Bryce Young at too, C J.
Speaker 3: Stroud at three? Is that correct? Are you in that
Speaker 3: same order?
Speaker 2: I have Anthony Richardson number one, and I'm very close
Speaker 2: on Stroud. Richard Stroud Young, but I've got Stroud higher.
Speaker 1: Okay, so you got Stroud just a little bit higher
Speaker 1: than Bryce Young, all right, tell me why Stroud is
Speaker 1: a little bit higher than you.
Speaker 2: Only difference is size. I'm worried about Young's ability to
Speaker 2: hold up and I know he's like, you know, can
Speaker 2: move around in the pockets. I also, I think Stroud
Speaker 2: has more of an NFL caliber arm. Young's got enough arm,
Speaker 2: but like it's not an extraordinary arm. Whereas Stroud, I think,
Speaker 2: like I'm impressed. He's definitely got a big league arm
Speaker 2: and he's so accurate, man. And I love Bogs, you know,
Speaker 2: Like there were some of the knocks on these quarterbacks
Speaker 2: coming into the draft process, Like it's funny that like
Speaker 2: some people Richardson, Daniel Jeremiah, and his last mock had
Speaker 2: Richardson falling to the bottom of the first round. And
Speaker 2: I was just thinking, like, there's no way a dude
Speaker 2: with this arm strength, who recorded a perfect ten relative
Speaker 2: athletics score at the combine and just tested like superman.
Speaker 2: There is no fricking way that teams are going to
Speaker 2: let this guy slide to the bottom of the first round.
Speaker 2: And Bogs, like I made a ton of pre draft bets.
Speaker 2: Not a lot of money, but just a lot of
Speaker 2: small bats. I mean I probably had like sixty bets down.
Speaker 2: I basically broke even on those bets, and I would
Speaker 2: have like I would have gotten cleaned out if not
Speaker 2: for the bets I made on richardson under. You know,
Speaker 2: on draft day morning, he was his over under on
Speaker 2: when he was going to get picked with seven and
Speaker 2: a half and I slammed the under man like I
Speaker 2: knew that.
Speaker 1: I didn't make bets because I mean a general manager
Speaker 1: day before the draft said this is going to be
Speaker 1: the most unpredictable draft that we've ever seen, and it was.
Speaker 1: It was absolutely correct, I mean some of it was predictable.
Speaker 1: And the knocking on Stroud beating up in the process
Speaker 1: about the S two cognition test, like, there are two
Speaker 1: things about that. Number One, you're just gonna wipe out
Speaker 1: three years of production and all the rest of the
Speaker 1: good stuff that he has done in the pre draft
Speaker 1: process because of one test. Right, And I understand that
Speaker 1: a lot of teams think that this is important test,
Speaker 1: but then why I even watched the film, right, Like,
Speaker 1: if everything you know relies on this test, then just
Speaker 1: have them all take the test and take your quarterback
Speaker 1: from Harvard, right, Like, I just don't understand any of that.
Speaker 1: To me, it felt like a big smoke screen from Houston,
Speaker 1: and it was trying to get him to call to fall.
Speaker 1: I guess maybe to twelve and then I don't know.
Speaker 1: It was just a very weird situation to make.
Speaker 2: Again, we talked about the you know what, it's more
Speaker 2: convincing the S two test or the test of facing
Speaker 2: the Georgia defense in the college football playoffs and throwing
Speaker 2: for like three and forty yards and four touchdowns against
Speaker 2: the best defense in college football.
Speaker 1: That whole defense was drafted too all to the Eagles.
Speaker 1: So I mean, it's just uh yeah to me that
Speaker 1: that was a little goofy. We did see Will Levis
Speaker 1: fall a ton. Will Levis fell and fell and fell.
Speaker 1: So I'm assuming after that, who do you have between
Speaker 1: head and Hooker and Will Levis.
Speaker 2: I've got Levis higher, and let me ask you this bug.
Speaker 2: So right now, you know I've got in super flex
Speaker 2: after Bijon, it's three quarterbacks. You know, it's Richardson, it's Stroud,
Speaker 2: it's young, and I'm not going to argue with you
Speaker 2: if you want to reorder those guys. I know not
Speaker 2: everyone is in love with Anthony Richardson, but however you
Speaker 2: want to order those three quarterbacks, I'm okay with it.
Speaker 2: But then where you put Levis and Stroud or a
Speaker 2: Levis and Hooker. It's kind of interesting. Like I've still
Speaker 2: got Levis as like a first rounder in super flex formats.
Speaker 2: I've got him eleventh overall in super flex.
Speaker 1: I bet you didn't think that after Day one that
Speaker 1: you were going to have him in the first round. Still, right, right, right,
Speaker 1: even even in super flex but running backs and wide
Speaker 1: receivers with some bad spots, so yeah, he's still in there.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And then like Hooker, I just I don't really
Speaker 2: believe in Hooker. I wanted to like him more earlier.
Speaker 2: I just I've got not so much problems with his
Speaker 2: age or the fact that he's coming off the torn
Speaker 2: acl I mean, like, if he's good, he's gonna play.
Speaker 3: He sucked. Those two combined suck.
Speaker 2: But they do. But I mean if he's if he's good,
Speaker 2: he's going to play into his mid thirties. He's gonna
Speaker 2: have a ten career, ten year career, and we're not
Speaker 2: going to be really worrying about the age thing too much.
Speaker 2: I'm more worried about, you know, him coming from this
Speaker 2: Josh Hypel offense where he literally only he needed to
Speaker 2: read half the field. You know, the field is bisected
Speaker 2: for him, and you know it's it's the same offense, uh,
Speaker 2: the same Josh Hipel directed offense that tricked people into
Speaker 2: thinking Drew Lock was an NFL prospect. You know because
Speaker 2: because when yeah, when, like Locke was early in his
Speaker 2: Missouri career, Hypel was his play caller, and like Hypel
Speaker 2: made Lock look good.
Speaker 1: I still think so Lock, uh a Lock to me,
Speaker 1: He's got a cannon, right, but he just doesn't have
Speaker 1: it between the like even like you can come from
Speaker 1: a you know, a QB favorable system and still be
Speaker 1: a good QB. You know, it's not like to me,
Speaker 1: it's not like Stetson Bennett, you know, being surrounded by
Speaker 1: five stars and wide receivers. You know, just everyone is
Speaker 1: great and you know, yes, you do have to make
Speaker 1: the place, you have to make the throws and system better.
Speaker 1: Made some outstanding plays in college, but you know he
Speaker 1: was drafted appropriately, I think, you know, and even a
Speaker 1: little high for most people.
Speaker 3: I think that's about where he probably should have gone.
Speaker 1: So I think I think Hooker is better than that,
Speaker 1: and I love the landing spot for him too. I
Speaker 1: love the landing spot in Detroit because you know, it's
Speaker 1: a question on what's gonna go on with Golf, and
Speaker 1: if Golf doesn't put it together this year, he's really
Speaker 1: gonna run out of excuses because you surrounded him with
Speaker 1: a ton of talent now, so you know, sure Jamison
Speaker 1: is suspended and you let DJ Chark go, but now
Speaker 1: you have Jamier.
Speaker 3: Gibbs, you still have.
Speaker 1: You still have David Montgomery and a strong offensive line
Speaker 1: and a much improved defense. So like, Golf is going
Speaker 1: to have to make it work, and if he doesn't
Speaker 1: do it, then, I mean, Hendon Hooker is going to
Speaker 1: be staring him down next year and it might be
Speaker 1: a competition.
Speaker 3: So I do like the landing spot. I'm with you.
Speaker 1: I have Levis's spot ahead because they just have trash
Speaker 1: In Tennessee. I thought Malik was way better than he
Speaker 1: showed last year, you know, and I was kind of
Speaker 1: convinced that, oh well, if Tennessee's not trading up, then
Speaker 1: they maybe still like Malik. But they did trade up date, right,
Speaker 1: and took Will Levis, so it seems like he's going
Speaker 1: to be traded and cast out, kind of like DeAndre
Speaker 1: Swift was possibly, but you know, Tannehill's short.
Speaker 3: He does not have a long life in the NFL. Left.
Speaker 3: I don't even know if he makes it through this year.
Speaker 1: So Levis should start immediately and just get an opportunity quicker.
Speaker 1: And he's younger, and he has a rocket arm. It's
Speaker 1: a little Drew lockish like Drew Locke that can move
Speaker 1: for Will Levis. But yeah, I think I have him
Speaker 1: just slightly ahead of Hooker as well. Is there any
Speaker 1: other quarterback you want to take a shot on. We
Speaker 1: ended up with Hayner in New Orleans.
Speaker 2: I was gonna ask you box. Let's let me ask
Speaker 2: you two questions to wrap up quarterback and we can
Speaker 2: move on to running back. First of all, are you
Speaker 2: interested in drafting Hendon Hooker early in the second round
Speaker 2: of a super flex draft?
Speaker 1: Yes, yes I am. Because of the landing spot.
Speaker 2: Would you like would you consider him like with pick
Speaker 2: one twelve or would it need to be more like
Speaker 2: a one to two to two of three.
Speaker 1: I think it's probably more in the second round because
Speaker 1: even with some bad landing spots. I'm still taking Zay
Speaker 1: and Quinton Johnston and a bunch of wide receivers ahead
Speaker 1: of him, so uh so.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I think you would have to be in
Speaker 3: the second.
Speaker 2: And then beyond the top five the guys all these
Speaker 2: day day three quarterbacks, any of them interest you at all? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I kind of like Clayton Tune going to Arizona, right.
Speaker 1: And it's not because I'm in love with Clayton Tuon
Speaker 1: or anything. He's fine, uh, But I think there's some
Speaker 1: opportunity there. And if this new coaching staff drafted you,
Speaker 1: now you're their guy, and you're one of their few
Speaker 1: guys on the roster. We're going to start the year
Speaker 1: without Kyler, right, so Colt McCoy, I guess, is going
Speaker 1: to be their guy, uh for the first chunk of
Speaker 1: the season.
Speaker 3: And I love Cole.
Speaker 1: Cole is one of my favorite all time long Horns ever,
Speaker 1: but he is almost my age.
Speaker 3: That's not great in the NFL.
Speaker 1: So when you're a smaller dude like Colt is, you know,
Speaker 1: it's a new system. You know, maybe he just doesn't
Speaker 1: have it.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: So I think that there could be an opportunity for
Speaker 1: Clayton Tune to get on the field as early as
Speaker 1: this year, and if Kyler is a cry baby like
Speaker 1: he seemed to be with Cliff Kingsbury, I think Gannon
Speaker 1: will just push him out, and you know they'll they'll reset.
Speaker 1: This team is rebuilding anyway, and get a new quarterback
Speaker 1: next year and Kyler Murray will be gone. And then
Speaker 1: it's the question of are you in a spot good
Speaker 1: enough to get one of those upper exchel on qbs
Speaker 1: that's coming out next year, or do you have to
Speaker 1: do you have to do the bridge here, And if
Speaker 1: Clayton Tune has shown you a little bit, maybe he
Speaker 1: has a little bit of an opportunity. So I'm not
Speaker 1: talking like, you know, second round, I'm not taking him
Speaker 1: there even in a super flex. Probably we're talking third
Speaker 1: round and later for Clayton Tune to throw it hard on.
Speaker 1: But also, like Stetson Bennett going to the Rams, I
Speaker 1: think it's kind of the same situation. They have no
Speaker 1: cap room because of all the mistakes they've made, and
Speaker 1: Matt Stafford is still there and he's one hundred, so
Speaker 1: that's and Bennett is option B C D right now.
Speaker 1: They got nobody else, so.
Speaker 2: Andy he'll be playing for Sean McVay. Stafford's arm might
Speaker 2: in fact be shot, so yeah, he is kind of
Speaker 2: vaguely interesting and tune runs right, although I will say Boggs,
Speaker 2: if you know, the Cardinals decide it's it's not going
Speaker 2: to be Kyler Murray, they are going to have the
Speaker 2: AMMO to uh you know, because they're going to stink
Speaker 2: to be early.
Speaker 3: They're going to be pretty bad.
Speaker 2: Trackson's pick is going to be a top ten that
Speaker 2: they acquired on Thursday nights, so they they will definitely
Speaker 2: have the AMMO to go after a It might not
Speaker 2: be Caleb Williams, but uh, you know, they could certainly
Speaker 2: go after Drake may or one of the other QB.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Quinn you are and you Yeah, it could be
Speaker 1: could be up there as well. So yeah, there, it
Speaker 1: already seems like there's gonna be some solid There goes
Speaker 1: Moro Jomo. Finally, I picked two forty nine my Texas
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Speaker 3: Not harder. All right, let's talk about the RBS.
Speaker 1: So we've already kind of gone in on Bjeon and Gibbs,
Speaker 1: and we talked about bad landing spots.
Speaker 3: Let me list them off here for you.
Speaker 1: Sharbon A to Seattle, Hate it because Ken Walker's already there.
Speaker 1: Ken Walkers should be the first second down guy. Sharbon
Speaker 1: A is a change of pace guy, but also probably
Speaker 1: the goal line guy because he's much bigger than Walker.
Speaker 3: So hate it.
Speaker 2: Ty J.
Speaker 1: Spears to Tennessee, Tennessee It plans A, B, and C
Speaker 1: are Derek Henry, Derick Henry, Derrick Henry. So maybe you
Speaker 1: want to lighten the load off of him a little
Speaker 1: bit and give Taija, you know a little bit. But
Speaker 1: I think what we saw from Dontrell Hilliard the last
Speaker 1: couple of seasons is probably what we're gonna get from Taija,
Speaker 1: although he is more explosive than Hilliard Kenry Miller to
Speaker 1: the Saints, I mean maybe, but to me, he's kind
Speaker 1: of the same type of skill set as Jamal Williams.
Speaker 1: And you know, Jamal Williams is already there and Alvin
Speaker 1: Kamara has not been suspended yet, although we do expect
Speaker 1: him to, and obviously the Saints do by taking a
Speaker 1: running back, so I didn't like that either. Jacksonville takes
Speaker 1: Tank Bigsby, okay, but Travis Etn is still there, So
Speaker 1: I don't know who I expect to lead that team
Speaker 1: in carries now because Bigsby is your thumper and Atn
Speaker 1: is your guy. Remember, urban Meyer wanted to him to
Speaker 1: wide receiver, so we don't like that landing spot either.
Speaker 3: Rochan to Chicago. I love Rochan, You love Rochean Waldman
Speaker 3: loves him. I don't we I don't.
Speaker 1: I didn't hear anyone say negative things about Rochan that
Speaker 1: I remember. Maybe maybe Russell Brown took a shot at
Speaker 1: Roshan there, but he ends up in Chicago with one
Speaker 1: of my other favorite Texas running backs, Deontay Foreman and
Speaker 1: Khalil Herbert. So I honestly think he's more of a
Speaker 1: full back and special teamer there. We did have a
Speaker 1: couple spots that I liked. Zach Evans in La behind Acres,
Speaker 1: I like that one. I like Chase Brown going to Cincinnati,
Speaker 1: But then we hit more bumps. Eric Gray to the
Speaker 1: Giants behind Saquon Evan Hold to the Colts behind j
Speaker 1: T Israel, Abanacanda behind Breis Hall and Michael Carter and
Speaker 1: Bam Moore, Bam Knight in New York, dwaymac Pride to
Speaker 1: Minnesota between behind Cook Madison ty Chandler. Maybe I don't
Speaker 1: know he's four there. Deuce Van to Dallas is actually
Speaker 1: pretty exciting, and Chris rodri Is to Washington, who is
Speaker 1: a depth. I guess I don't know what's happening here.
Speaker 3: So I don't know.
Speaker 1: A couple of nice landing spots, but they were late picks.
Speaker 1: What do you think about some of these spots? And
Speaker 1: it is hard to order these guys fish.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is uh bugs, by the way, But before
Speaker 2: we get into the landing spot, I gotta just make
Speaker 2: one last point about the Bijon Robinson Jamiir Gibbs thing, Like,
Speaker 2: remember we had heard at least we'd heard the rumor
Speaker 2: that there were some teams that had Jamiir Gibbs ranked
Speaker 2: ahead of Bijon Robinson, which you know, of course, we
Speaker 2: uh found hard to fathom because we were not certainly
Speaker 2: not on the same page there. The Lions had the
Speaker 2: six pick in the draft, they could have had bej
Speaker 2: Like the Lions were one of those teams. They clearly
Speaker 2: had Gifts ranked ahead of Beijeon. I I, okay, you know, yeah,
Speaker 2: but don't you agree that based on their maneuvers on
Speaker 2: draft night, like they must have had Gibbs ranked higher
Speaker 2: than jon on their board.
Speaker 1: I I think that it's it could have been that,
Speaker 1: But I also think that they just didn't believe any
Speaker 1: team was going to take a running back inside the
Speaker 1: top ten, you know, because that's kind.
Speaker 3: Of the trope.
Speaker 1: So maybe they thought these are just nonsense rumors because
Speaker 1: people like fantasy football that Atlanta is going to go
Speaker 1: ahead and take him here, and it didn't happen. By
Speaker 1: the way, I didn't even mention Devin ah Chain on
Speaker 1: the good list. I feel like you called that, you know,
Speaker 1: to Miami. I text you immediately after he was drafted,
Speaker 1: and I was in my stream. I said, I gotta
Speaker 1: text fits he called this, you know, like a month ago.
Speaker 1: So good landing spot there. But yeah, I mean, what
Speaker 1: do you do? I mean, let's I guess I'll start
Speaker 1: at the top here fits with Charbona, a Chain, Spears, Miller,
Speaker 1: and Tank.
Speaker 3: They're tanking there. He's a third round back.
Speaker 2: So it's funny, like I thought we had talked about
Speaker 2: this on Friday, Like if sharbon A had gone to
Speaker 2: the right spot, you know, a good spot, he'd gone
Speaker 2: to Cincinnati where they're likely going to release Joe Mixon. Heck,
Speaker 2: even if you had gone to Dallas, where he'd be
Speaker 2: like in a complimentary role with you know, it could
Speaker 2: be the new Zeke Elliott to you know, Tony Pollard
Speaker 2: the Eagles before they orchestrated the Swift trade. Like throw
Speaker 2: him into that committee where you know, yes it's a committee,
Speaker 2: but he's running behind maybe the best offensive line in
Speaker 2: football and for a team that's going to score a
Speaker 2: ton of points. All these good landing spots and he
Speaker 2: goes to like one of the worst possible landing spots,
Speaker 2: a landing spot that devalues not only sharbon A but
Speaker 2: also Kenneth the Walker. I mean, this is just terrible.
Speaker 2: For fantasy. So I thought, if sharbon A had gone
Speaker 2: to one of these good landing spots, I might have
Speaker 2: put him ahead of Gibbs. I might have had him
Speaker 2: number two in one QB dynasty leagues behind only kind of.
Speaker 3: It was a trendy thing.
Speaker 1: I feel like right before the draft happened too, we
Speaker 1: didn't hear a lot about it, but I didn't talk
Speaker 1: to everybody before. But when I talked to my guys
Speaker 1: Eric Poton and John Lobb, they both had Charbonay ahead
Speaker 1: of Gibbs. Because Charbony is more complete for fantasy. I
Speaker 1: understand that, but I don't know Gibbs has got the.
Speaker 3: Means to me.
Speaker 2: Thorn Eystrom are own thorn Eistrom has sharbon A ranked
Speaker 2: ahead of Gibbs. So now I mean, I've almost got
Speaker 2: in super flex drafts, I've almost got sharbon Ay out
Speaker 2: of the first round. He's a one twelve for me,
Speaker 2: and I've actually right now I might change my mind
Speaker 2: on this, but as of now, I have in one
Speaker 2: spot behind Will Levis in a okay overall, I mean,
Speaker 2: just because of the premium placed on the quarterback position
Speaker 2: and charbon A, it's just it's hard to see light
Speaker 2: at the end of the tunnel for him, Like, especially
Speaker 2: when you're you know, you don't want to look too
Speaker 2: far into the future with running backs, bogs. I mean
Speaker 2: you you're more of a shape window Dynasty player anyway,
Speaker 2: Like I don't want to think about, like, you know,
Speaker 2: the value Charbona might have on his second contract if
Speaker 2: I'm investing in him for Dynasty and this first contract
Speaker 2: situation is terrible. I mean, Walker is a second year guy,
Speaker 2: and those guys are going to be shackled together for
Speaker 2: the next two or three years. It sucks.
Speaker 1: It's a good team move, Like if you're the if
Speaker 1: you're the Sea, if you're a Seahawks fan, you're like,
Speaker 1: of course, now we have two good running backs. But yeah,
Speaker 1: for fantasy, it's brutal. What do you think about just
Speaker 1: moving down? Let's talk about let's talk about.
Speaker 2: Oh change, Let's talk about h So you know, he's
Speaker 2: one of my favorite guys, and we were talking about
Speaker 2: this on the Discord thing on Friday about how I
Speaker 2: had read that a chain had had a visit with
Speaker 2: Miami and that Miami had shown interest. It's a good
Speaker 2: spot for him, man, I mean, like it is. It's
Speaker 2: funny and I heard one well regarded, widely known fantasy
Speaker 2: analyst talking about like his projection in year one for
Speaker 2: a Chane and I was shocked at how low the
Speaker 2: projection was. It was like seventeen catches, you know, like
Speaker 2: barely any use in the running game. Like, no, they
Speaker 2: didn't just bring a chain in to return kicks, you know,
Speaker 2: with the Day two pick, and dude, Raheem Mostert is
Speaker 2: thirty one and he's made out of you know, paper mache.
Speaker 2: Jeff Wilson, I mean, is like the walking definition of
Speaker 2: an average NFL running back, which is like I don't
Speaker 2: want to rip him. I mean like if you and
Speaker 2: there have been circumstances.
Speaker 3: These guys made it work.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they made Jeff Wilson has had situations where he's been,
Speaker 2: you know, due to injury or whatever, the lead running
Speaker 2: back against an average defense. And heck, I mean I've
Speaker 2: I've ranked him as a running back one in weekly
Speaker 2: rankings in the right situation because he's decent, but he's
Speaker 2: not special, you know. And yeah, like those guys are
Speaker 2: going to have roles for sure if they're healthy. I
Speaker 2: like Selvon Akhmed, who I don't think is terrible. I mean, goodbye, Salvon,
Speaker 2: I mean a Chane is absolutely taking your job, and
Speaker 2: I think he's probably shoving Miles Gap out of the
Speaker 2: way too well.
Speaker 1: I think for me the reason why I really like
Speaker 1: this landing spot in Miami even though that people are
Speaker 1: going to look at it and go, well, three headed monster. Now,
Speaker 1: I think a change gets first run, don't you, Because
Speaker 1: he's explosive, he's slippery, and you know you would rather
Speaker 1: have your bigger backs running in the fourth quarter through
Speaker 1: arm tackles. Because eight Chanin's not running through our arm tackles.
Speaker 1: He'll break more than you would think for a smaller guy.
Speaker 1: But that's not his forte. His forte is to run
Speaker 1: past you because he has Olympic level speed, right, So
Speaker 1: I think you give him the ball first in Miami
Speaker 1: because if he makes an explosive player too, now, the
Speaker 1: defenses are gonna key on on him a little bit more.
Speaker 1: Maybe take a step or two close to the line
Speaker 1: and you have Tyreek Hill and Jalen.
Speaker 3: Waddle over the top to take advantage of that.
Speaker 1: Now, on the reverse of that, if you hit them
Speaker 1: early with the passes, now you give a Chanin a
Speaker 1: little bit more wiggle room. So I think by the
Speaker 1: end of the season, is the lead back here. I
Speaker 1: think you would agree with me too, righte.
Speaker 2: I do, well, I mean I think it's going to
Speaker 2: be a committee, Bogs, I really do.
Speaker 1: Like, I mean, well, it will be a committee, but
Speaker 1: I think he'll lead it by the end of the year.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think he'll lead it. But I
Speaker 2: think his usage is going to be tilted towards passing downs.
Speaker 2: Like I would expect that a chain is going to
Speaker 2: be averaging, you know, six to seven carries a game,
Speaker 2: but I think he's going to be averaging, you know,
Speaker 2: like four to five or six targets a game. And like,
Speaker 2: this is a dude who just get him ten touches
Speaker 2: and he's going to be fantasy relevant because he's going
Speaker 2: to hit some home runs and man, in this offense,
Speaker 2: like I just love that he is going to you know,
Speaker 2: this situation, Like it's a great Put him in an exciting,
Speaker 2: speed driven offense with a good play caller, and good
Speaker 2: things are going to happen. Like I'm really happy with
Speaker 2: this landing spot for him.
Speaker 1: And in a couple injuries and he's and he starts
Speaker 1: to get big volume and now.
Speaker 2: Where in your rookie yeah, we're really where's he in
Speaker 2: your rookie running back rankings? Bogs?
Speaker 3: Uh, he's uh, he's gonna be fourth for me.
Speaker 1: I got Beijean Jamier, Charbona and then a chain, so
Speaker 1: and I was not that high on him coming in either,
Speaker 1: because he's a smaller guy. And there are guys here
Speaker 1: that can tote the rock fifteen twenty times that did
Speaker 1: not go to situations where they will tote the rock
Speaker 1: fifteen twenty times and even in year one or two.
Speaker 1: So uh, you know, I just didn't like it. And
Speaker 1: those guys the other day too, guys here fits were Spears,
Speaker 1: Miller and Big Spy. Who out of that group, do
Speaker 1: you do you still like I feel like they all
Speaker 1: kind of took hits.
Speaker 2: I've got like, I don't think Spears took a hit.
Speaker 2: I had Spears ranked just ahead of a chain, right,
Speaker 2: and now I've still got Spears actually just ahead of
Speaker 2: a chain, which is weird that you've actually now got
Speaker 2: a chang higher than I ever rank. But I think
Speaker 2: it's a good landing spot for Spears.
Speaker 3: Window.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's all about the shorter window. And now we
Speaker 1: look at things.
Speaker 2: It just seems like Kamara might be reaching the end,
Speaker 2: we know he's probably going to serve a suspension. I think,
Speaker 2: you know Jamal Williams for you know, despite the seventeen
Speaker 2: touchdowns or whatever, I think it's just kind of a guy.
Speaker 2: So I think there's a path for Spears to be
Speaker 2: the lead guy in New Orleans. And that's just the thing, Like,
Speaker 2: I don't think a chain's ever going to have traditional
Speaker 2: lead back usage, and Spears I think has a chance
Speaker 2: to have that. That's pretty much the only reason why
Speaker 2: I have Spears ranked higher. You mentioned Miller. I'm intrigued
Speaker 2: by Miller right now. I've got him in super flex
Speaker 2: formats as like kind of a mid second round guy.
Speaker 2: And who's the other guy, Bigsby I just like I
Speaker 2: don't I don't love tank Bigsby Bugs, So I've.
Speaker 1: I understand that he kind of has a weird He
Speaker 1: seems almost like a tweiner right, Like he has some
Speaker 1: moves to stack, but he's big too, but he out muscles,
Speaker 1: He out maneuvers guys instead of out muscling them some times,
Speaker 1: which is kind of weird form man of his size.
Speaker 1: So he's he's an odd running back to kind of
Speaker 1: break down and watch.
Speaker 2: I feel like but and with etre Man, I mean,
Speaker 2: like he's not going to be a passing down guy
Speaker 2: at all, and you know Het still probably going to
Speaker 2: get some of the early down work.
Speaker 3: Sure, sure, Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think this is like a switch off kind of
Speaker 1: a situation for these two guys, which.
Speaker 3: Is why like, it doesn't it doesn't kill Bigsby.
Speaker 1: To me, it actually probably hurts Etn more than anything, right, like,
Speaker 1: because Etn is a guy where you draft a guy
Speaker 1: like Bigsby to take some pressure off of et and
Speaker 1: you don't want him carrying the ball so many times
Speaker 1: because his first year in the NFL, we didn't get
Speaker 1: to see him because he broke his foot, right, So
Speaker 1: he's a little more fragile, just a smaller built guy
Speaker 1: than these other dudes. So yeah, I mean I've got
Speaker 1: so if my order as of right now would be
Speaker 1: driving a chain spears.
Speaker 3: Mill big speed. So we'll see. Let's go to the day.
Speaker 1: Two guys here fits, who do you like out of
Speaker 1: the group, because I'll tell you who I like. I
Speaker 1: like Evans and I like Brown Because of the situation
Speaker 1: after that, these guys in the bad situations, I kind
Speaker 1: of put them in the order I wanted to outside
Speaker 1: of McBride, I still have low because he's a seventh
Speaker 1: round pick. I mean, you don't play what you know,
Speaker 1: you don't perform well in camp as a seventh round pick,
Speaker 1: and you're out. So that's kind of you know, it's
Speaker 1: a stigma that goes on these guys. But I like
Speaker 1: Brown to Cincinnati because they might cut Joe Mixon and
Speaker 1: they don't have anybody else. And this guy has carried
Speaker 1: a gigantic workload at Illinois before, so we know he
Speaker 1: can do it. Zach Evans with the Rams should be
Speaker 1: there behind Acres, but Acres has been weird, so there's
Speaker 1: a little bit of that. I hate Eric Gray's landing spot,
Speaker 1: even though I like him to the Giants because Saquan
Speaker 1: is the guy there. Same thing with Evan Hole to
Speaker 1: the Colts and Israel Abanacanada is not a He's not
Speaker 1: a guy that you ever thought was gonna have twenty
Speaker 1: thirty carries, but now he's kind of nothing behind those
Speaker 1: top three guys with the Jets. McBride to Minnesota, Douce
Speaker 1: Fawn to Dallas is actually kind of okay. And I'm
Speaker 1: not the biggest fan of Chris Rodriguez. We had a
Speaker 1: couple other trickle in as we're doing this, Lou Nichols
Speaker 1: went to your Green Bay Packers, and I think there
Speaker 1: was one other running back late here that I'll figure out.
Speaker 3: But who do you like out of the day three guys?
Speaker 2: You said it Chase Brown him going to the Bengals
Speaker 2: where he has, you know, might have a shot to
Speaker 2: be a lead guy. It's pretty good. Like I did
Speaker 2: not hate the Evan Hull landing spot Bogs. I didn't
Speaker 2: because like, just he's going to be a third down
Speaker 2: back and that's what he was always going to be.
Speaker 2: And I think that, you know, even though they're gonna
Speaker 2: play Jonathan Taylor on non obvious passing downs, on obvious
Speaker 2: passing downs, Hull is going to be the guy. And
Speaker 2: like it's not that you know, they're making it a MIDI,
Speaker 2: but I mean when Jonathan Taylor was that Wisconsin, Dara
Speaker 2: Gumbo Walle was like the third down back. They had
Speaker 2: to spare Taylor somewhere because he was getting thirty carries
Speaker 2: a game. Like if they played him on third downs too,
Speaker 2: the guy would have like been, you know, exhausted. So
Speaker 2: I think there's like room and then he's kind of
Speaker 2: an insurance policy, Like I think he could be an
Speaker 2: early down guy in a pinch if you know, Taylor
Speaker 2: got nicked up or something. So like, I'm not bummed
Speaker 2: that Hall went there, Not bummed like I am with
Speaker 2: Abana Kanda, who is just like you know, at the
Speaker 2: bottom of a loaded depth chart.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're right.
Speaker 1: I mean it's with Hull and even Gray, it's like, okay, well,
Speaker 1: at least they're too anything happens, They're definitely two.
Speaker 3: So I'm with you on Banacanda. Who knows?
Speaker 2: Yeah, and really, I mean, I don't know who else
Speaker 2: we have to talk about. Man, Like I'm okay with Bigsby,
Speaker 2: I'm okay with Roshan, Like, you know, Roshan will be
Speaker 2: part of it committee most likely, so I don't mind
Speaker 2: him as he.
Speaker 3: Can at least earn a role.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like I could still see taking him in the
Speaker 2: back end of the second round of one QB League perhaps.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's it. I'm just getting depressed with these running
Speaker 2: back spots bogs. So let's let's talk about the wide receivers.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's go. And you know it's an argument for
Speaker 1: you and I at the top. I like Addison, you
Speaker 1: like JSN but I nothing changed for us after where
Speaker 1: they're landing spot because I had Addison at one anyway,
Speaker 1: and you had JSN at one, So none of that
Speaker 1: switches for us.
Speaker 3: Let's talk about beyond those guys. Quentin Johnston going.
Speaker 1: To the Chargers, all right, say Flowers going to Baltimore.
Speaker 1: Throw the ball that much?
Speaker 3: Okay?
Speaker 1: After that, we didn't have, you know, hardly any guys
Speaker 1: on the second day, no one you'd expect. Jalen Hi
Speaker 1: went to the Giants, Josh Downs to the Colts, Staden
Speaker 1: Reid to the Packers, Rashid Rice to Kansas City, Johnson
Speaker 1: Mingo to Carolina Center, Tillman to Cleveland, Mimes to Denver,
Speaker 1: was weird Nate tank Dell to Houston, third rounder Michael
Speaker 1: Wilson to Arizona. So those are your day two guys
Speaker 1: and day one guys. I mean, Quentin Johnson, Verse Flowers,
Speaker 1: where are you going there?
Speaker 2: Fits, I've been I've been really torn on this man,
Speaker 2: and I've I've toggled them back and forth. As of now,
Speaker 2: I've got Ja Flowers one spot ahead of Quentin Johnston,
Speaker 2: and I'm not sure I'm going to keep it that way. Honestly.
Speaker 2: I mean I've I'll be honest, we talked about this
Speaker 2: a little before the show. I've still got JSN as
Speaker 2: my number one, and I'm not gonna waiver on that,
Speaker 2: but you could pretty much talk me into ordering the
Speaker 2: other three guys anywhich I mean clearly. You know you
Speaker 2: like Addison uh the most out of Addison Flowers in Johnston.
Speaker 2: I agree. I've got why margin, I've got Addison number
Speaker 2: I've got Addison number two behind JSN. But Flowers versus
Speaker 2: versus Johnston is like a debate for me. And I've
Speaker 2: got all those guys in super flex drafts. I've got
Speaker 2: them from what sixth overall to ninth overall, like all
Speaker 2: in a row.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, I haven't put together my overall yet, but
Speaker 1: just in terms of the position, yeah, Addison for me,
Speaker 1: JSN is two, and to me, they're like their own tier.
Speaker 3: I have Quinn Johnson over z A.
Speaker 1: Flowers just for the simple fact of I think that
Speaker 1: Justin Herbert's going to throw the ball more than Lamar
Speaker 1: Jackson is over their careers, right, So yeah, Keenan Allen's
Speaker 1: not long for the NFL, maybe two more years. Mike
Speaker 1: Williams seems like he might be cooked with LA after
Speaker 1: this season, so Johnson moves into a premium roll next year.
Speaker 1: Zay Flowers could be the number one this year, but
Speaker 1: that's a run first team. So and I know that
Speaker 1: our boyd bro on the on the discord talked about
Speaker 1: how Todd Monkin's coming in and he likes a quick pace,
Speaker 1: which may be more plays, but doesn't mean they're all
Speaker 1: going to be passing play, especially if they're winning at
Speaker 1: the end. Those are going to be run plays for
Speaker 1: the Ravens. So we'll see what happens there.
Speaker 2: Let me give you, let me give you my five
Speaker 2: through ten and you can give me and I'll just
Speaker 2: do a quick comment on each guy and you can
Speaker 2: give me your tags. All right. So at five, I've
Speaker 2: I've actually got and now so after number four, I've
Speaker 2: got Quentin Johnston at number nine overall and super flex.
Speaker 2: It goes all the way down to nineteen overall, where
Speaker 2: I've got Josh Downs. Okay, you know, good landing spot.
Speaker 2: I think with Indy he's going to walk right in
Speaker 2: and be the throw Isaiah Mackenzie aside to be the
Speaker 2: slot receiver in Indy, you know, for Anthony Richardson eventually,
Speaker 2: So yeah, I just like I like Downs. I think
Speaker 2: he's a pretty high floor prospect, like a Jamison Crowder.
Speaker 2: Plus I I've got him at six, so I have
Speaker 2: one guy higher than Down. I mean, I liked Mingo
Speaker 2: a lot coming in. I sort of suspected he was
Speaker 2: going to go a lot earlier than people thought. And
Speaker 2: I I don't hate the landing spot. So I've got
Speaker 2: him at wide receiver six.
Speaker 1: Uh, I'll just throw out, I've got Mingo at nine.
Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, See, I like him more than a lot.
Speaker 2: Like he's just so physical after the catch, and just
Speaker 2: like I like how his game is. I think he's
Speaker 2: kind of a poor man's and Kwan.
Speaker 3: Bolden, I I I understand it.
Speaker 1: I you know, it's just they have feeling, they have
Speaker 1: shark and then so Mingo this year is probably gonna
Speaker 1: be your.
Speaker 2: Third is dust? All right? So wide receiver just this
Speaker 2: age just over here, Wide receiver seven, Marvin Mims. Yes,
Speaker 2: that was weird, but we know, like you know, there
Speaker 2: were rumors all off season that Denver was trying to
Speaker 2: trade either you know, Jerry Judy or Courtland Sutton and
Speaker 2: going to Sean Payton offense, and like the guy was
Speaker 2: a playmaker. I was sort of a little bit on
Speaker 2: the fence with him, but I was encouraged by the draft.
Speaker 3: Capital He's not in my top ten.
Speaker 1: And that's not Oklahoma hate, that's not Marvin Mims hate.
Speaker 3: That is situational hate. I despise this landing.
Speaker 1: Spot because, yeah, they talked about how they wanted to
Speaker 1: trade Judy or Sutton, but they didn't do it. I mean,
Speaker 1: Sutton is signed for a while. It's gonna be hard
Speaker 1: to trade him, so they're gonna have to cut him
Speaker 1: if they want to do anything there, and he's Judy
Speaker 1: is the better of those two, so I think they're
Speaker 1: going to be there for a while. So Mims to
Speaker 1: me is third. Also, Tim Patrick is coming back off
Speaker 1: his ACL. They signed Marquez Callaway, they signed LJ.
Speaker 3: Humphrey.
Speaker 1: You know, they trade for Adam Troutman today, like they're
Speaker 1: trying to put the Saints two point zero together over there.
Speaker 3: I don't know what's happening. So I don't know.
Speaker 1: It's just there's to me, there's too much traffic, and
Speaker 1: there's a lot with Sean Payton, there's a lot of
Speaker 1: specialized roles in that offense, and I'm afraid of him.
Speaker 1: Getting caught in a specialized role and not having not
Speaker 1: being in every snap wide receiver, which is what we
Speaker 1: want to see him. If I knew he's gonna have that,
Speaker 1: I'd have him way higher. But yeah, he's eleven for me,
Speaker 1: So just slightly outside of my top ten.
Speaker 2: There. Number eight for me is Rashi Rice obviously the
Speaker 2: so eight. Uh yeah, so he's eight going to Kansas City.
Speaker 2: I mean we have to like that, right, And I
Speaker 2: do have some reservations about Rice being sort of a yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean like a contested catch artist. That's not like, uh,
Speaker 2: that's not like a fool proof path to NFL stardom,
Speaker 2: you know. And and yeah, and only one year of
Speaker 2: really premium production, although it was a heck of a
Speaker 2: year for him in his final season at SMU.
Speaker 1: And then he's a great player, and I like, just
Speaker 1: you don't have to be a contested catch guy when
Speaker 1: you have Patrick Mahomes throwing the ball to you. So
Speaker 1: that's why I'm higher on him than a couple of
Speaker 1: those other guys. So because because of the quarterback so
Speaker 1: and they needed a size guy because MVS didn't put
Speaker 1: it together.
Speaker 2: So and then I'm gonna go nine and ten with
Speaker 2: the two Tennessee guys Hyatt and then Tilman. I just
Speaker 2: I don't like the landing spot for Tillman man Cleveland and.
Speaker 3: Then uh too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just like you're behind Amari Cooper, Donovan, people's
Speaker 2: Jone Jones and Elijah Moore. That's kind of tough. So
Speaker 2: and by the way, the guy who like I didn't
Speaker 2: really have that much of my radar, he might have
Speaker 2: been like my wide receiver eighteen pre draft or something.
Speaker 2: And now I'm really intrigued by is Michael Wilson. We
Speaker 2: know we couldn't stay healthy. That was a big issue.
Speaker 2: This guy has been like he's had two Jones fractures
Speaker 2: in his foot like that. You know, maybe he's basically
Speaker 2: Michael Thomas coming into the league with all these foot
Speaker 2: problems and then like he is twenty twenty two season
Speaker 2: ended after six games due to an undisclosed injury and bugs.
Speaker 2: I like tried looking for this injury everywhere and it
Speaker 2: was not reported what it was. So like, yeah, but
Speaker 2: this dude is like I mean, he is a max
Speaker 2: effort guy and like really devoted to his craft. Like
Speaker 2: if he can stay healthy and going to a team
Speaker 2: where there are going to be targets available, assuming they
Speaker 2: get rid of DeAndre Hopkins as they want to do.
Speaker 2: Just a really intriguing guy, and I think he'll be
Speaker 2: able to get him in like the third round of drafts.
Speaker 1: It's a fascinating spot for I mean a fascinating spot
Speaker 1: for him to go to Arizona, right because like you said, yeah,
Speaker 1: Hopkins wasn't traded during the draft. Probably gonna get traded,
Speaker 1: you'd hope before the season starts. But still, Marky's Brown,
Speaker 1: Greg Geors was so good there last year. I think
Speaker 1: he'll prove himself. Rondel Moore, I don't know about Rondell Moore,
Speaker 1: will see what happens with him.
Speaker 3: So Wilson I have.
Speaker 1: I have him at I think twelve because the draft
Speaker 1: capital I mean said taking day two, which was weird,
Speaker 1: but I mean that says something, you know, it's kind
Speaker 1: of a qruch argument to depend on that specifically, that
Speaker 1: kind of says something.
Speaker 3: I got high at five. I love the landing spot.
Speaker 1: I love the landing spot because I just think about
Speaker 1: the middle of that field. Right, you have Hyatt playing
Speaker 1: in the slot, you have Darren Waller inline, and you
Speaker 1: have Saquon coming out of the backfield. Like you know,
Speaker 1: if he gets one on one on a slower corner,
Speaker 1: he is going to dust that guy. So I am
Speaker 1: excited about the big play potential for Jalen Hyatt. And
Speaker 1: I'm with you. I've got Tilman down at ten because
Speaker 1: I hate the landing spot because it's going to be
Speaker 1: DPJ versus Tilman, and DPJ is a crusty vet, so
Speaker 1: it maybe take Tilman a little bit to beat him
Speaker 1: in practice and stuff and really earn that role. Now
Speaker 1: you're learning from Amari Cooper and DPJS, a couple size guys.
Speaker 1: Great to get there and learn from those guys. But
Speaker 1: I don't know weird landing spot you like Michael Wilson,
Speaker 1: I tell you the landing spots I like for some
Speaker 1: of these guys. I like Dell in Houston. There's opportunity there.
Speaker 1: I like Kyshan but in New England. You know, once
Speaker 1: you're in New England, who cares where you were drafted?
Speaker 1: You're there, right so draft capital doesn't really matter to them,
Speaker 1: So I like that spot. I like Xavier Hutchinson in
Speaker 1: Houston too, Like we said, opportunity. Trey Palmer in Tampa
Speaker 1: Bay is nice and I think at Perry in New
Speaker 1: Orleans is pretty nice.
Speaker 3: The rest of it.
Speaker 2: I mean, some of those guys are late. Like I'm
Speaker 2: intrigued by guys like Hutchinson and at Perry, but they
Speaker 2: went just so late that the you know, the you
Speaker 2: could get cut. Yeah, the the actuarial tables on those
Speaker 2: guys are not too promising just with I don't know,
Speaker 2: it's just like you get drafted that late, your odds
Speaker 2: aren't that great. Dell. I mean I was just kind
Speaker 2: of out on Dell when he did not light I
Speaker 2: told you I thought his forty time at the combine
Speaker 2: at his size was almost disqualifying. So yeah, that's we're
Speaker 2: gonna have to agree to disagree on that one. Bogs.
Speaker 2: And I'm very intrigued by Booty also, like I yeah, dude,
Speaker 2: if he can recapture what he showed us at the
Speaker 2: end of that twenty twenty freshman year, when he ended
Speaker 2: with three straight one hundred yard games, including a three
Speaker 2: hundred and eight yard game against Old Miss, and then
Speaker 2: was lighting it up as a sophomore in the first
Speaker 2: six games before he you know, had a season ending injury.
Speaker 2: Like what, I'm not going to ding the guy too much.
Speaker 2: For not being able to get along with Brian Kelly,
Speaker 2: who I despise myself. So you know, I know there
Speaker 2: were character questions, but man if I Belichick drafted him, like, yeah,
Speaker 2: that's pretty reassuring, man like for for well.
Speaker 1: We'll find out quickly, that's for sure, because if he
Speaker 1: comes in with all kinds of attitude, Belichick will just
Speaker 1: cut him and you know not, Look, okay, we wasted
Speaker 1: a pick, we acquired way more right.
Speaker 3: We're fine.
Speaker 1: We take shots in New England, so that's fine real
Speaker 1: quick on excuse me on tight ends here, FITZI I
Speaker 1: mean good landing spots for the top guys here, Kincaid,
Speaker 1: mayor Laporta all great. I question your packers because I
Speaker 1: love Musgrave, but they drafted Musgrave and Tucker Craft.
Speaker 3: I don't like that because it feels.
Speaker 1: Very Baltimore Ravens when they took hayden Hurst early and
Speaker 1: then took Mark Andrews later. One of these guys can
Speaker 1: block one of them can't. So I feel like Musgrave
Speaker 1: might get hayden Hurst here. Hayden hursted, I guess would
Speaker 1: be the word, because Tucker Craft is now your big
Speaker 1: slock guy and Musgrave is going to inline block, so
Speaker 1: it might be on the field more but might not
Speaker 1: see as many targets as craft. So that was kind
Speaker 1: of my big thing with the tight ends. I mean,
Speaker 1: Darnold Washington I love in Pittsburgh, but for fantasy, especially
Speaker 1: with the knee. The rest of these guys are all
Speaker 1: kind of you know, they're late, late picks, even in
Speaker 1: tight end premium probably for most of them. So your
Speaker 1: quick thoughts on the tight ends before you know.
Speaker 2: I'm a Jake Ferguson truther, but I am sort of
Speaker 2: interrued by Luke's schoon Maker going to the Cowboys because
Speaker 2: we talked him out.
Speaker 3: Kind of like the better version of Ferguson.
Speaker 2: I maybe, yeah, And Matt Waldman loves schoon Maker, so
Speaker 2: I mean he could be a sleeper for sure, someone
Speaker 2: to consider. I agree with you on maybe it's just
Speaker 2: because Musgrave had the injury issues in college that they
Speaker 2: felt like they couldn't put all their eggs in the
Speaker 2: Musgrave basket, because I mean that basket is barren for
Speaker 2: the packers at tight end. So they did need a
Speaker 2: draft too, and they got two good ones, so I
Speaker 2: don't have a big issue with it, you know, Like
Speaker 2: I still like Mayor. I think, you know, the lower
Speaker 2: draft bull knocks him down a bit. But Boggs, let's
Speaker 2: let's good and you know Laporta. I know Thor was
Speaker 2: delighted to see Laporta get that sort of draft capital.
Speaker 2: And now, I mean he has a chance to be
Speaker 2: a pretty significant contributor right away with that Jamison Williams
Speaker 2: six game suspension sort of maybe ramping up Laporta's target
Speaker 2: count right away. So we like that. Boggs, let's go
Speaker 2: out by talking about how early Dalton Kincaid should be
Speaker 2: drafted in rookie drafts.
Speaker 3: Okay?
Speaker 1: For me, I think k Kinkaid can go as early.
Speaker 1: And we're talking, are we doing super flex one QB?
Speaker 2: Let's say superflex?
Speaker 1: Okay, so you have the top three qbs Bijeon Gibbs.
Speaker 1: I still think I take Sharbona ahead of him. I
Speaker 1: take Addison, JSN, Quentin and Zay ahead of him, and
Speaker 1: then Kinkaid.
Speaker 2: I'm taking him ahead of sharbon A right now. I've
Speaker 2: got him number ten overall, behind the right behind the
Speaker 2: first round receivers. So I guess that means I would
Speaker 2: take him what seventh overall? You know, one QB seventh overall,
Speaker 2: and I almost think that's being conservative man.
Speaker 1: Like, I don't hate it, but but I don't think
Speaker 1: the Dawson Knox completely goes away. That's my one little
Speaker 1: tiny issue with Kincaid is that I don't think that
Speaker 1: Knox just falls off the planet. Great that Buffalo didn't
Speaker 1: draft another wide out right, They're gonna try Khalil Shakir.
Speaker 1: I guess so I like that because Gave Davis was
Speaker 1: not good. Yeah, yeah, we like yes.
Speaker 2: Man he is. You know, he's going to be the
Speaker 2: new and improved Isaiah mackenzie.
Speaker 1: Right, And there's there's a ton of guys that actually
Speaker 1: ended up with a better spot post draft and pre
Speaker 1: draft that are already on rosters because the teams didn't
Speaker 1: take someone in front of them, so they're getting a
Speaker 1: shot like Khalos Shakir. So uh interesting there, But that
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