Speaker 1: What's going on? Everyone. Welcome into the Fantasy Pros Dynasty
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Speaker 1: this being the last episode, I thought that it was
Speaker 1: extremely fitting to bring on the man that it all
Speaker 1: started with. His name is Ray Garvin. He can be
Speaker 1: found on Twitter at Ray GQ and Ray. I gotta
Speaker 1: say this man. I looked this up yesterday a year ago.
Speaker 1: Yesterday was the first ever episode of the Fantasy Pros
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Speaker 1: back a year ago and now say a year later,
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Speaker 1: me as the host here, wanting to make sure that
Speaker 1: I got you on. You know what, I'm so happy
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Speaker 1: year later, we were both right, And I'm happy to
Speaker 1: have this show with you today. Math. A lot of
Speaker 1: those divisive conversations happened over these rookie mock draft episodes
Speaker 1: that we did, so I'm excited to get into this one. Brain.
Speaker 1: I were talking before we started recording, like I have
Speaker 1: no idea what he thinks about some of these prospects
Speaker 1: here in the twenty twenty two NFL Draft. He has
Speaker 1: zero clue what I think about these, So this is
Speaker 1: going to be really fun. We'll try to play the
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Speaker 1: to kind of figure that out and figure out our
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Speaker 1: with the rookie mock drof. This is just a one
Speaker 1: round rookie mock. We are going into the and a
Speaker 1: one QB format. We're gonna look at some of these
Speaker 1: running backs wide receivers. See if any of these quarterbacks
Speaker 1: crack the top twelve here. But Ray, you are up
Speaker 1: with the one oh one. You are the guests. I
Speaker 1: will give you the one oh one pick. Here. We're
Speaker 1: going to running back, We're going to wide receiver. Where
Speaker 1: we're going. Ah, listen, I'm so happy you gave me
Speaker 1: the one oh one and I feel good about this selection.
Speaker 1: Single quarterback league. Look running back, wide receiver, I'm going
Speaker 1: with the freak Treylon Burke, six foot three, two hundred
Speaker 1: and twenty five pound wide receiver out of Arkansas, speed,
Speaker 1: the athletics him, the power, the size, adjusted athleticism. I
Speaker 1: know he's going to be a first round pick, and
Speaker 1: I'm going to bet on that opportunity a team drafting
Speaker 1: a player. He's not a refined receiver yet, Yeates, I
Speaker 1: don't know how much you've looked into him. He's not refined.
Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of areas of his game
Speaker 1: he can improve and clean up upon. But if he
Speaker 1: does that to some degree, with the athleticism, the speed,
Speaker 1: the size, in the opportunity he's going to get as
Speaker 1: a first round pick. I'm loving what you're getting out
Speaker 1: of Treylon Burks here at the one on one spot.
Speaker 1: Here's the thing with some of these prospects that you say, Okay,
Speaker 1: they're not refined yet, right, And with Treylon Burks that
Speaker 1: comes down to the route running. He's not a very sharp,
Speaker 1: sharp route runner in the aspect of like a Jerry
Speaker 1: Judy or someone like that, right coming out of college previously.
Speaker 1: He's not going to make you miss and create separation
Speaker 1: the same way that Jerry Judy does with his route
Speaker 1: running acumen. However, how he is able to compensate for
Speaker 1: that is the fact that he's two hundred and twenty
Speaker 1: five pounds and will most likely run in the low
Speaker 1: four fours, if not the four threes. Like, this guy
Speaker 1: is just a speed demon. And one of the things
Speaker 1: that I notice with his summer scouting when I was
Speaker 1: doing it was like, Okay, he's super raw. Like they
Speaker 1: don't have him necessarily, they have him really in kind
Speaker 1: of a gadget type role Arkansas did this past season.
Speaker 1: This season in twenty twenty one, we really saw that
Speaker 1: take a whole other step, Right, he took a whole
Speaker 1: other step to his game and developed contested catchability. Right,
Speaker 1: He's not only being able to line up everywhere, get
Speaker 1: the ball in his hands and create, but then he's
Speaker 1: able to go deep down field and be a contested
Speaker 1: catch specialist. So he reminds me a ton about of
Speaker 1: a J. Brown. I think that that is a like
Speaker 1: cutting copy, cut and paste comparison there for Traylon Burks.
Speaker 1: And so this guy who you're going to be able
Speaker 1: to I think he's going in the top ten of
Speaker 1: the NFL draft. And yes, he does have some refinement
Speaker 1: left to do, but if he does take those steps,
Speaker 1: good night. Man. Like we're talking about a top five
Speaker 1: NFL wide receivers. So I put this out on Twitter
Speaker 1: a while back, saying, when as soon as I finished
Speaker 1: trail On Burks's tape evaluation, I'm taking trail On Burks
Speaker 1: at the one to one in one quarterback dynasty rookie
Speaker 1: drafts and it's not even close for me. Man, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you said, aj Brown, I've made that. I've also heard
Speaker 1: if you like Deebo Samuel, here's Deebo Samuel, but five
Speaker 1: inches taller, in twenty five pounds heavier. So there you go. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: Treylon Berks, they're at the one on one. You took
Speaker 1: my pick, my friend. So I now have to go
Speaker 1: back to the drawing board here. Now I'm looking at
Speaker 1: some of the running backs right and this running back class.
Speaker 1: We talked about this a little bit last year, but
Speaker 1: I think with this running back class, specifically, landing spot
Speaker 1: is going to be everything. There are some guys who
Speaker 1: have incredible talent. There are some guys who who have
Speaker 1: the potential to be fantasy football I wouldn't necessarily say
Speaker 1: superstars in the way of like Jonathan Taylor and DeAndre
Speaker 1: Swift coming out those type of guys, but I do
Speaker 1: think that they have the potential to be very good
Speaker 1: for fantasy football. Landing spot is going to make all
Speaker 1: the difference in the world. So I'm going to pass
Speaker 1: on the running back position here. I'm actually going to
Speaker 1: go to the USC wide receiver pool and I'm going
Speaker 1: to take Drake London here six five, two ten. This
Speaker 1: guy is an tested catch monster. However, not only does
Speaker 1: he have the contested catchability, but he has incredible moveability
Speaker 1: for his size at two hundred and ten pounds. So
Speaker 1: Drake London is a guy. This might be a little
Speaker 1: bit early, but I think that he is also going
Speaker 1: to go very high in the NFL draft. He is
Speaker 1: right up there in my top five of the my
Speaker 1: wide receiver so far that I've scouted Drake London, the
Speaker 1: wide receiver out of USC here at the one h two.
Speaker 1: Not happy because that's my guy. I'm not happy. That's
Speaker 1: my guy. And I listen to you and your show
Speaker 1: with Jared Whackerley, and I heard how much you adore
Speaker 1: USC wide receivers, and I'm very upset because I thought
Speaker 1: I was gonna get big dreazy Drake London later on.
Speaker 1: Not happy with you Yates at all. I love Drink London.
Speaker 1: All these concerns about a separation, I'm not worried about it.
Speaker 1: Who cares? I don't care. This is spicy. I dislike
Speaker 1: you because you took my guy, but I love Drake London.
Speaker 1: But you're leaving me the running backs right at one
Speaker 1: oh three, and I'm just gonna stick with my prospect
Speaker 1: film grades right now, it's Razor thin, flip a Coin.
Speaker 1: I don't care who you take for me. It's Isaiah Spiller,
Speaker 1: the running back out of Texas A and M. He's
Speaker 1: going to be I believe, one of, if not the
Speaker 1: youngest draft eligible prospect period in twenty twenty two. He's
Speaker 1: only twenty years old. Right now. He's got the size
Speaker 1: at six foot one, two hundred and twenty pounds. He
Speaker 1: can catch the ball in the backfield. I love his
Speaker 1: elusiveness in between the tackles. He just has so much
Speaker 1: room for growth. When I look at him versus Bruese Hall,
Speaker 1: Breese Hall is amazing, but I think Bruese Hall like,
Speaker 1: that's who you're getting for the next six years. The
Speaker 1: Breeze hall that you see, that's who he's going to be.
Speaker 1: Isaiah Spiller, in my opinion, if he can clean up
Speaker 1: some areas of his game and just grow into that
Speaker 1: and I say immature, not as far as like character,
Speaker 1: but immature rushing style, I think he can be an
Speaker 1: absolute fantasy monster. So for me, Isaiah Spiller my number
Speaker 1: one running back in the class. I'm taking him at
Speaker 1: one h three. Isaiah Spiller is right up there at
Speaker 1: the top the class for me, and I really saw
Speaker 1: improvements from the summer scouting. Out of summer scouting, I
Speaker 1: really was not a huge fan of Isaiah Spiller. I
Speaker 1: thought that he was really well rounded, but I didn't
Speaker 1: see necessarily one elite trait that you could really hang
Speaker 1: your hat on with Spiller. This past year, also in
Speaker 1: summer scouting, he was playing at like listed two hundred
Speaker 1: and twenty five pounds. He trimmed down he's at two
Speaker 1: fifteen to twenty now and I saw that translate to
Speaker 1: a little bit more explosiveness in his lower half. And
Speaker 1: so I think with Isaiah Spiller, he's going to be
Speaker 1: a guy that you step on. You know, he's going
Speaker 1: to step out of the field and he's going to
Speaker 1: be a fantasy football you know, top tier contributor. I
Speaker 1: won't necessarily again use that word superstar in Landing spot
Speaker 1: again will matter for a lot of these guys. But
Speaker 1: you left my RB one on the board here, and
Speaker 1: I really don't think that you're going to see this coming.
Speaker 1: I loved him coming out of summer scouting. I texted
Speaker 1: Trevor Sikama the other day. He is a fan as well,
Speaker 1: and I said, if this guy was two hundred and
Speaker 1: fifteen pounds, I think Kirroon Williams would be a sure
Speaker 1: fire second round NFL draft pick. You were talking about
Speaker 1: one of the most well rounded prospects in this entire class.
Speaker 1: Does he have a lead breakaway speed, Absolutely not. But
Speaker 1: what he does have is insane catch receiving ability out
Speaker 1: of the backfield. He is one of the best, if
Speaker 1: not the best, pass protector that I have evaluated in
Speaker 1: my entire time scouting. This guy is able to come
Speaker 1: onto the field. Coaches are going to have zero hesitation
Speaker 1: putting Kyber and Williams onto the field from day one,
Speaker 1: and immediately he's going to be able to contribute. Again,
Speaker 1: landing spot is going to matter so much. I'm going
Speaker 1: to continue to pound the table for that. But Kymon
Speaker 1: Williams here at the one oh four. We're not talking
Speaker 1: enough about Williams in this class, and we need to.
Speaker 1: I am I love him. He's my RB three. I
Speaker 1: have him ahead of some other guys. I love him,
Speaker 1: and I think that he's going to test a little
Speaker 1: bit better than people imagine or think that he's going
Speaker 1: to do. He reminds me I think he's got the
Speaker 1: skill set to be an Austin Eckler type in the NFL.
Speaker 1: Not only is he the best, he is the best
Speaker 1: pass protector in this class. At the running back possession,
Speaker 1: he's one of the most. I love how they use
Speaker 1: him in the receiving game. He can line up in
Speaker 1: the slot, he can catch it out of the backfield.
Speaker 1: He's on the field in third down situations from day one.
Speaker 1: I'm with you. I love Kyron Williams. Fantastic pick yates.
Speaker 1: Size is going to be the only question. The only
Speaker 1: thing that people can nitpick about his game is his size.
Speaker 1: He's listed as one ninety eight there he looks smaller
Speaker 1: than that. So there's the potential that he checks in
Speaker 1: at one ninety five. That's going to be an issue.
Speaker 1: But I love the Austin Eckler comparison because I wrote
Speaker 1: this in my scouting evaluation was with Kyron Williams. Even
Speaker 1: if you find a coach who drafts him and they
Speaker 1: aren't confident that he can handle a significant, significant workload,
Speaker 1: you have the third down back work to be able
Speaker 1: to fall back on, which you are from a fantasy perspective,
Speaker 1: that's huge you draft Kyron Williams, especially for teams who
Speaker 1: are or for Dan Dynasty managers who are doing their
Speaker 1: rookie drafts before the NFL draft. Kyron Williams, You're able
Speaker 1: to at least have that safety net where he's going
Speaker 1: to be a guy who is just going to soak
Speaker 1: up targets out of the backfield wherever he ends up.
Speaker 1: So Kyron Williams there at the one oh four, you
Speaker 1: are backup at the one oh five. Ye let's make
Speaker 1: it two for two for running backs, and I'll take
Speaker 1: my number two ranked running back, Breese Hall, running back
Speaker 1: out of Iowa State, just dynamic rusher, three years of
Speaker 1: great production. It's it's the Big Twelve, but the Big
Speaker 1: Twelve they produced really good running backs in the past,
Speaker 1: and a lot of people are gonna make the easy
Speaker 1: comparison to David Montgomery. I think he's a little better
Speaker 1: prospect than David Montgomery. I think he's just a rock
Speaker 1: solid running back right. He's got he's got size, he
Speaker 1: can catch the ball. He's elusive enough, not great breakaway
Speaker 1: home run speed. He can pop a couple, and we've
Speaker 1: seen him do that. I just think you're looking at
Speaker 1: a plug and play, depending on where he gets drafted
Speaker 1: and win, a plug and play running back in fantasy football.
Speaker 1: I love Breese Hall to get him right here. You know,
Speaker 1: if you would have taken him, my next pick would
Speaker 1: have been Kyran Williams. So honestly, those guys are my
Speaker 1: top ranked running backs, those three. So I'm happy with
Speaker 1: Breeese Hall right here, really happy with him at one
Speaker 1: oh five. I wonder with Hall, and this was something
Speaker 1: where I came away in my scouting evaluation as I
Speaker 1: just wrapped up his tape evaluation the other day. With Hall,
Speaker 1: I wonder if we've gotten kind of bored with him,
Speaker 1: right because for so long with the twenty twenty two class,
Speaker 1: we've talked about it's Bruce Hall and it's Isaiah Spiller,
Speaker 1: and then you know, you've got some of these wide receivers,
Speaker 1: and Bruce Hall has just been the headline name for
Speaker 1: so long. And I think with Hall it goes back
Speaker 1: to what I was talking about with Isaiah Spiller in
Speaker 1: summer scouting. I don't think that there's one elite trait
Speaker 1: that you can point to and say this is how
Speaker 1: he's going to, you know, be this like a superstar
Speaker 1: for fantasy football down the road, like you said, the
Speaker 1: next six years. What you're getting with Bruce Hall is
Speaker 1: who he is right now. Landing spot is going to
Speaker 1: matter with him. But if he gets that workload of
Speaker 1: two hundred and fifty carries with his talent level, who
Speaker 1: cares like he's going to be able to turn that
Speaker 1: into RB fifteen, RB twelve to fifteen production from a
Speaker 1: fantasy perspective. So, Bruce Hall, I don't think it's going
Speaker 1: to be someone that we have necessarily thought of, or
Speaker 1: is going to be someone who we've necessarily thought of
Speaker 1: and like crowned at the top of this twenty twenty
Speaker 1: two class like we like you'd see right here, we're
Speaker 1: taking him at the one oh five and we took
Speaker 1: two other running backs above him. But I still think
Speaker 1: that That doesn't mean that he's going to be a
Speaker 1: bad NFL running back. He's going to be good. He's
Speaker 1: going to need the workload to do it, but he's
Speaker 1: going to be good. Yep. All right now, I'm now
Speaker 1: up at the one oh six year. I'm gonna go
Speaker 1: back to the wide receiver. Well, and this guy the
Speaker 1: injury man. If we didn't have the injury, we might
Speaker 1: have been taken him above trailing Burke's Drake London. Potentially,
Speaker 1: potentially Jamison Williams, the wide receiver out of Alabama, is
Speaker 1: going to be my pick here at the one oh six. Obviously,
Speaker 1: getting injured in the National Championship Game there sucks to see.
Speaker 1: But Jamison Williams, with these acl injuries, I think that
Speaker 1: he's going to come back and he is going to
Speaker 1: be good to go. He's going to end up in
Speaker 1: a great spot and he's with his breakaway speed, with
Speaker 1: his receiving ability, this is just a really well rounded prospect.
Speaker 1: Depending on who you ask, he's going to be the
Speaker 1: wide receiver one. For some people he's going to be
Speaker 1: the wide receiver five. There's going to be split opinions
Speaker 1: here with Jamison Williams, but I do think that with
Speaker 1: his talent level, with his speed especially, he's going to
Speaker 1: be a force for fantasy football sooner rather than later.
Speaker 1: So Jamison Williams here at the one six without the injury,
Speaker 1: a very good chance he's the wide receiver one drafted
Speaker 1: off the board. There was a lot of buzz around
Speaker 1: that game breaking ability, game breaking speed, and he can.
Speaker 1: He's much more than just a deep threat. He's a
Speaker 1: complete wide receiver. If not for the injury, he could
Speaker 1: be wide receiver one. Don't hate it all right, you
Speaker 1: are now up at the one or seven. Yeah, I'll
Speaker 1: go wide receiver and I'm going to Ohio State and
Speaker 1: I'm taking Garrett Wilson, Jack Monster. He's really good down
Speaker 1: the field, you know not he doesn't have great speed.
Speaker 1: He's fast enough. I will say that he's fast enough.
Speaker 1: I'll call Garrett Wilson a separation specialist. He's just very
Speaker 1: technical off of the line. He does a really good
Speaker 1: job positioning his body. His body awareness just it may
Speaker 1: be the best of any wide receiver in this class.
Speaker 1: Like just where he positions himself on the field to
Speaker 1: catch the football, knowing where he is in the field
Speaker 1: to play in the end zone. It's incredible man. And
Speaker 1: he comes from Lake Travis High School, just a historic
Speaker 1: program down there in Austin, Texas high school, pedigree collegiate production,
Speaker 1: and I think he's going to be a first round pick,
Speaker 1: really really like Garrett Wilson. Connor Rodgers of Bleacher Report
Speaker 1: in the NFL Stock Exchange podcast made this comparison and
Speaker 1: I immediately messaged him after and was like, dang it, man,
Speaker 1: I can't believe that I didn't think of this comparison beforehand.
Speaker 1: But well done, Calvin Ridley For Garrett Wilson, one of
Speaker 1: these guys who call him really is not the like
Speaker 1: superstar burner, right, he doesn't have that game breaking speed,
Speaker 1: but the intangibles of what he brings to the position.
Speaker 1: You talk about that body awareness, that body control. Calvin
Speaker 1: really brings that, and I think that Garrett Wilson is
Speaker 1: going to be that guy. My question with Garrett Wilson
Speaker 1: to you, and I'll ask this really quick before we
Speaker 1: move on. Do you think that Wilson has the potential
Speaker 1: to be a locked in wide receiver one for an
Speaker 1: NFL offense or is he one of these guys who
Speaker 1: falls into the tiers of like he's gonna be a
Speaker 1: damn good number two option for an offense. I think
Speaker 1: it's more of that one. I think he's a damn
Speaker 1: good number two that if the stars aligne in any
Speaker 1: given season, he can finish as a wide receiver one. Right,
Speaker 1: But I don't think you're locking him in is a
Speaker 1: top twelve option year after year. I think he's a
Speaker 1: damn good number two that if the stars aligne and
Speaker 1: they hit, he can give you wide receiver one production.
Speaker 1: All right, I am now up at the one oh eight.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go to the running back position here again.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with Kenneth Walker, the third, the running
Speaker 1: back out of Michigan State. Really came away impressed with
Speaker 1: Kenneth Walker, and obviously being here in Michigan, you hear
Speaker 1: a ton about throughout the college football season, and I've
Speaker 1: talked about this, I cannot pay attention to the college
Speaker 1: football season as closely as I would like. If I
Speaker 1: watched college football on Saturdays on top of everything else
Speaker 1: that I do, my wife would leave me. However, with
Speaker 1: Kenneth Walker, you hear a ton about him throughout the
Speaker 1: season and him just producing in a massive way and
Speaker 1: being able to sit down and study his tape in depth.
Speaker 1: I came away really impressed, and you talked about it
Speaker 1: with these guys like it's a coin flip with a
Speaker 1: lot of these guys, and that really is with these
Speaker 1: top four guys, top five guys, flip a coin and
Speaker 1: any of them could be my RB one, but and
Speaker 1: Kenneth Walker could easily be that. For me, it's the
Speaker 1: size concerns. He's hovering around two hundred pounds he compared
Speaker 1: to me and with my player comps, I really try
Speaker 1: to stick very close to their weight, their height, and
Speaker 1: stick within that general range and how they are going
Speaker 1: to win in the NFL. Kenneth Walker a Devin singletary
Speaker 1: with a little bit more juice is what I came
Speaker 1: away with. So Walker, I don't think he's ever going
Speaker 1: to be a guy who's going to see two hundred
Speaker 1: fifty carries two hundred and thirty carries. Maybe like he
Speaker 1: could hover around that one eighty two hundred range. But
Speaker 1: he's also going to be able to bring you some
Speaker 1: receiving ability out of the backfield as well. That's going
Speaker 1: to have value for fantasy purposes. He does have the
Speaker 1: breakaway speed, not necessarily like a TRAVESI da from last year.
Speaker 1: But he does have some breakaway speed where he's going
Speaker 1: to be able to take some place to the house
Speaker 1: as well. So Kenneth Walker here at the one as
Speaker 1: the fourth running back off the board, what are your
Speaker 1: thoughts on Walker? I like Walker a lot. I actually
Speaker 1: think he may be the best just pure running back,
Speaker 1: just pure rusher. Just hand him the ball and let
Speaker 1: him do work. He may be the best in this class.
Speaker 1: My only concern is I we have not really seen
Speaker 1: him deployed as a pass catcher. And when I'm looking
Speaker 1: at these running backs, what distinguishes some guys You talked
Speaker 1: about Spiller and Hall not having an elite traite. Kyron
Speaker 1: Williams does. And I know people don't like this. He's
Speaker 1: an elite pass protector and he's an elite receiver. When
Speaker 1: I look at Kenneth Walker, I think he can catch
Speaker 1: the ball. I'm sure he can't, but I just haven't
Speaker 1: seen it. So for me, I do have Kyron Williams
Speaker 1: and Breece Hall and Isaiah Spiller ranked ahead of Kenneth Walker.
Speaker 1: But when you're talking about where'd you take him at
Speaker 1: the one o eight spot, Uh, yeah, yeah, you gotta
Speaker 1: take it he's gonna be he's gonna be a starting
Speaker 1: running back at some point in the NFL. All right
Speaker 1: back to you at the one o nine, I just
Speaker 1: want to say, Yates for me, this is tear break
Speaker 1: for me. Like in my with my ranks, it's now
Speaker 1: it's starting to get you. You're just thinking ahead as
Speaker 1: you were talking about Walker, looking ahead at the board,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh, okay, all right, yeah this guys,
Speaker 1: but yes, definite tak. This is kind of tear break
Speaker 1: for me. So right now, another guy out of sight,
Speaker 1: out of mine. Had he played the entire higher season,
Speaker 1: I think there'd be conversation about this guy being the
Speaker 1: top ranked wide receiver in this class, up there with
Speaker 1: Trey Line up there with Garrett, and I'm going with
Speaker 1: what i've seen early producer George Pickens out of Georgia.
Speaker 1: I still believe he's going to be a highly drafted
Speaker 1: NFL draft pick. And I tweeted this out the other
Speaker 1: day and the mentions went crazy. I think the best
Speaker 1: of what Garrett Wilson provides with his contested catchability, the
Speaker 1: yak ability, and Drake London with him being a big
Speaker 1: body wide receiver, I think if you take just some
Speaker 1: of the skill sets those two guys have, and you
Speaker 1: package him up, you get that in George Pickens, right.
Speaker 1: The issue is we just haven't seen him play football
Speaker 1: in a year. And I know he came back towards
Speaker 1: the end of the season, but he really wasn't utilized.
Speaker 1: And I just think to myself with how good Georgia
Speaker 1: was this year winning a national championship in their best
Speaker 1: pass catcher was a true freshman tight end. If George
Speaker 1: Pickens had played the entire season, I think there would
Speaker 1: be a lot of conversation about him being the top
Speaker 1: wide receiver off of the board. I'm going to bet
Speaker 1: on the draft capitol in the town that I've seen
Speaker 1: out of the SEC producer, I love George Pickens here
Speaker 1: at one nine. He's one of these guys who's kind
Speaker 1: of been limbo right now, like you're you're right, we
Speaker 1: have the questions. He didn't play much this season, did
Speaker 1: come back only what one catch, but it was a
Speaker 1: monstrous catch in the National Championship. But he's one of
Speaker 1: these guys who's just kind of in limbo, like he's there.
Speaker 1: If he shows up to the NFL scouting combine and
Speaker 1: he runs the way that I think he can. Oh,
Speaker 1: we're talking about George Pickens flying up Dynasty draft boards
Speaker 1: like this guy. You put on a highlight reel of
Speaker 1: George Pickens and some of the catches that he makes,
Speaker 1: we'll have you jumping out of your chair like this
Speaker 1: is just a really, really special talent. So I think
Speaker 1: you talked about the tier break. I agree with you.
Speaker 1: But in that next tier that's right there who I
Speaker 1: think could easily make that next jump up George Pickens
Speaker 1: easily right there. So I was a little upset that
Speaker 1: you took him there at the one o nine. I
Speaker 1: had my eyes on him at the one ten. But
Speaker 1: I do think that there's another wide receiver who is
Speaker 1: right there in that territory of He's not going to
Speaker 1: be a wide receiver one for an NFL offense, but
Speaker 1: he's going to be a damn good wide receiver too.
Speaker 1: We're going to go back to Ohio State. We're gonna
Speaker 1: go with Chris Olave. And whenever I say Chris Olave's name,
Speaker 1: I cannot hear it without thinking of is it Gus
Speaker 1: Johnson saying Chris? You know, like I can't hear that?
Speaker 1: So can't not hear that? Excuse me. So, Chris Olave,
Speaker 1: if you describe him and you do not use the
Speaker 1: word smooth, you are doing it wrong. This is a
Speaker 1: guy who is going to come into the NFL and
Speaker 1: immediately just get open at will against whatever corner that
Speaker 1: he wants to. You have experience with him lining up everywhere,
Speaker 1: so he's going to be someone that you can deploy
Speaker 1: all over the formation. He has experienced running an entire
Speaker 1: NFL route tree. So I think olave is going to
Speaker 1: come in and with his skill set, I don't think
Speaker 1: that he's ever going to be a guy in the
Speaker 1: same kind of inin that you talk about Breecee Hall.
Speaker 1: I don't think that Chris olavea is so only suddenly
Speaker 1: going to be this guy that if he refines a
Speaker 1: few things, he's going to be a top ten NFL
Speaker 1: wide receiver. I don't think that that's going to be
Speaker 1: the case, but a high floor prospect. Immediately you plug
Speaker 1: him in and he's going to be an upgrade over
Speaker 1: pretty much any wide receiver too that you have on
Speaker 1: your NFL offense. So Olave, the landing spot's gonna matter
Speaker 1: as far as his target volume and what you can do.
Speaker 1: But if he gets the targets, He's going to be
Speaker 1: a fantasy football machine. So Chris olave here at the
Speaker 1: one ten, smooth is the word that I used to
Speaker 1: describe him. He's smooth. He's a route technician, He's got
Speaker 1: speed that he could take the top off of a defense,
Speaker 1: and I do think he slides in to probably a
Speaker 1: prominent wide receiver two role in the NFL. I want
Speaker 1: to see where he lands, like I'm seeing stuff with
Speaker 1: like Cleveland and not just if he I just I
Speaker 1: would love for him to play like just think in
Speaker 1: a perfect world, Aaron Rodgers, Devantae Adams on one side
Speaker 1: and Chris on the other. I mean that would be
Speaker 1: a home run spot if you know all of those
Speaker 1: things worked out, which that's another topic for another show.
Speaker 1: But I like to pick off Chris olive here. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna go back to wide receiver as well, and I
Speaker 1: think just real quick yates. When you're seeing these type
Speaker 1: of wide receivers here, it kind of makes you think, like,
Speaker 1: did I make a mistake taking tray line at one
Speaker 1: on one or make a mistake taking one of those
Speaker 1: wide receivers early. When you're getting players like a David
Speaker 1: Bell down here at the one eleven spot. David Bell
Speaker 1: is somebody I think maybe their playstyle. His playstyle doesn't
Speaker 1: compare to Rasha Bateman, but the narrative around Bateman was
Speaker 1: really good at everything, not great at anything, and I
Speaker 1: think that's David Bell. Really good at every single technical
Speaker 1: aspect of playing wide receiver. But if you said, Ray,
Speaker 1: tell me what his elite trade is, I'd say nothing.
Speaker 1: I'd say there is no elite trade. He's just good
Speaker 1: at everything. Another one of these players that I think
Speaker 1: probably a top sixty four pick which gets him in
Speaker 1: the second round. Can he become He's got the size
Speaker 1: to be an X, to be an Alpha. Will he
Speaker 1: become that? I think a lot of people think Michael
Speaker 1: Thomas because they see black and gold, and it just
Speaker 1: it's easy to kind of make those kind of comparisons.
Speaker 1: Can he do it? I think he's got a better
Speaker 1: chance of being a one then like a christ O
Speaker 1: Lave does. But I just I think of him more's
Speaker 1: just a really good wide receiver two on an offense.
Speaker 1: But right here again to your break at that one
Speaker 1: o eight one on nine spot, I'm taking the player
Speaker 1: that I like, and he's got the production profile to
Speaker 1: match David Bell. All right, so I'm up here at
Speaker 1: the one twelve, and there are a few different ways
Speaker 1: that I can go with this. Right there are you know,
Speaker 1: John Dotson still on the board. I could take Dotson.
Speaker 1: I don't know what your opinion is of him. I
Speaker 1: did not come away as impressed with Dotson. I think that,
Speaker 1: I mean from a pure like receiving ability, it's all there.
Speaker 1: I just have some questions with athleticism. That will be
Speaker 1: like I am watching him closely at the NFL scouting combine.
Speaker 1: If he runs a lot better than I think, then
Speaker 1: he'll move back up draft boards for me. But so
Speaker 1: I could go Dotson, I could go with a John Metchi,
Speaker 1: I could go with some of these other I mean,
Speaker 1: Christian Watson. I don't look the court to state as
Speaker 1: a current like he's flying up draft boards. So that
Speaker 1: could be someone that we go here. He's got the
Speaker 1: size to be a true you know X, like you mentioned,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with a guy who I came away
Speaker 1: really impressed within summer scouting. Have not had the chance
Speaker 1: to do my final tape evaluation on him. But that's
Speaker 1: Zamere White, the running back out of Georgia do not
Speaker 1: have the workload here for Zamir White to be able
Speaker 1: to say, like confidently that this is going to be
Speaker 1: a guy who's going to get a massive workload in
Speaker 1: the NFL. But Georgia running backs the long line of them.
Speaker 1: We've never had one of these guys who's just locked
Speaker 1: into a massive workload that we can really look back
Speaker 1: on and say, Okay, I feel super confident projecting him
Speaker 1: to the next level. But all of them get into
Speaker 1: the NFL and they produce. So Zeus has the size
Speaker 1: where with a lot of these other guys we talked about,
Speaker 1: Keneth Walker doesn't have size, Cayvin Williams doesn't have that size,
Speaker 1: Isaiah Speller, Bruce Hall, they do. But Zeus is on
Speaker 1: another level. So I think with Zeus here Zameer White,
Speaker 1: the running back out of Georgia, I'm getting that. And again,
Speaker 1: this could be different when I come back and talk
Speaker 1: about my final tape evaluation of him. But I came
Speaker 1: away really impressed in summer scouting. He's someone that I
Speaker 1: do want to bet on getting the workload in the
Speaker 1: NFL that I think that his body can would stand.
Speaker 1: I just finish up my prospect film grade for Zamir Light,
Speaker 1: and I went into it thinking, this guy's gonna grade
Speaker 1: out really low. Don't like um like, let me and
Speaker 1: let me just say this. This is this is not
Speaker 1: Ray just saying this. There are quotes from Georgia head
Speaker 1: coach Kirby Smart where he flat out said, no, running
Speaker 1: back at Georgia is going to get three hundred plus carries.
Speaker 1: He said them. He said, the pitch to go to
Speaker 1: Georgia is I'm gonna get you to the NFL and
Speaker 1: you're gonna have a lot of tread on your tires.
Speaker 1: These are quotes from Kirby Smart, the head coach. So
Speaker 1: when people are looking at Zamier White, oh he didn't
Speaker 1: get all the work nobody does in that office. Go
Speaker 1: look at Nick Chubb and DeAndre Swift when they played together.
Speaker 1: Zamir White between the tackles, just the explosiveness, the power,
Speaker 1: the he's got it all, man, my issue. He's got
Speaker 1: stone hands and he's got the double acls. Right, he's
Speaker 1: towards a toward each knee. But when you're when you're
Speaker 1: just looking and evaluating what he put on tape in
Speaker 1: the sec you cannot walk away from watching his runs
Speaker 1: saying that's a bad running back. I mean, he's he's
Speaker 1: just as talented as anybody there little shocking for me,
Speaker 1: But we don't know these you know, I didn't know
Speaker 1: how highly you had Zamir White. I liked him a
Speaker 1: lot more than I thought I would, and he's a
Speaker 1: lot higher than I thought I would have him ranked.
Speaker 1: I think that if we well, I'll ask you this question.
Speaker 1: If he was at Iowa State and got the workload
Speaker 1: that Bruce Hall did, and let's say, you know, like
Speaker 1: he stayed healthy and the ac I'll you know, whatever,
Speaker 1: But if he got that workload, would he be going
Speaker 1: where Isaiah Spiller went in this mock draft? Would he
Speaker 1: be going at the one oh three? Like, would we
Speaker 1: have the confidence to draft him at that point? But because,
Speaker 1: like you mentioned, from a tape perspective, it's all there,
Speaker 1: the vision, the contact balance, the size, the power, it's
Speaker 1: all there minus the pass catching ability. Of course, however,
Speaker 1: we've seen that from a fantasy perspective, Nick Chubb doesn't
Speaker 1: get targets and he's still a very very solid fantasy
Speaker 1: football running back. Like there is the possibility for that
Speaker 1: to happen. Would Zamir White be going up at the
Speaker 1: one ozho three if he was in a fro spot
Speaker 1: where he did get that workload. No doubt, he's got
Speaker 1: the high school predigree, he's got the size and the
Speaker 1: I challenge anybody to just watch not his high lights,
Speaker 1: just watch his in game runs and tell me he's
Speaker 1: not an NFL caliber rusher. He's incredible. Man. He just
Speaker 1: doesn't have the production a little bit, you know, the injury.
Speaker 1: But at running back, what are we looking in Dynasty
Speaker 1: Gates three four years? If he can give me three years,
Speaker 1: you hit, that's good, you know. Yeah. And again because
Speaker 1: of that, you're getting him at a discount here at
Speaker 1: the one twelve. And we're saying that he's got the
Speaker 1: talent level to be at the one oh three, the
Speaker 1: one oh two, maybe even the one oh one if
Speaker 1: he ended up in that different school where he was
Speaker 1: given the workload, And you're getting him here at the
Speaker 1: one twelve. And I'm gonna say this right now, like
Speaker 1: I'll predict this. I think he's gonna go a lot
Speaker 1: lower than this in your standard rookie draft, Like he's
Speaker 1: gonna go a lot lower than that. So you're getting
Speaker 1: that running back at a massive discount and NFL Scouting
Speaker 1: Department's NFL teams, they really are not going to care
Speaker 1: a ton. The injury will play a role in how
Speaker 1: they evaluate him, but they're not going to look at
Speaker 1: the carry totals that he had and be like, Okay,
Speaker 1: he's going in the fifth round, sixth round. They're looking
Speaker 1: for can you play football? And some mere white can
Speaker 1: and so I think that he's going to go a
Speaker 1: lot higher in the NFL Draft than a lot of
Speaker 1: people will anticipate. So right now he is a massive discount.
Speaker 1: I wanted to get him into this first round rookie
Speaker 1: mock draft while we still can't. Okay, run through that.
Speaker 1: At the one on one, it was Traylon Burks. At
Speaker 1: the one o two, it was Drake London, the wide
Speaker 1: receiver out of USC one of three, Isaiah Spiller one
Speaker 1: oh four, Kymon Williams out of Notre Dame one of five,
Speaker 1: Breese Hall running back out of Iowa State, Jamison Williams
Speaker 1: the wide receiver out of Alabama at the one oh six,
Speaker 1: Garrett Wilson out of Ohio State. At the one oh
Speaker 1: seven that we got Kenneth Walker, George Pickens, and Chris
Speaker 1: o'lave going at the one O eight, one O nine,
Speaker 1: and one ten respectively, and we had David Bell, the
Speaker 1: wide receiver out of Purdue and some Mere White, the
Speaker 1: running back out of Georgia. To wrap it up, ray
Speaker 1: any quick takeaways, any guys that we didn't get into
Speaker 1: here that you think probably should have any quick takeaways
Speaker 1: as we look back at this first round. Rookie Mox,
Speaker 1: just a couple of names that could creep their way
Speaker 1: up if they get the draft capital. Tyler Algier out
Speaker 1: of BYU, Rashad White out of Arizona State. Guys that
Speaker 1: if they get the draft capital can move up. You
Speaker 1: touched on Johan Dotson, and pay attention to Christian Watson.
Speaker 1: You guys, I'm telling you I saw him at the
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl. He was the buzz there. He's got the size,
Speaker 1: he's got the speed. Just pay attention to those names.
Speaker 1: But I think the biggest takeaway Yates there's a tier
Speaker 1: break and then there's value later because a player like
Speaker 1: Zamier White is probably going to go lower. But there's
Speaker 1: so much value with some of these guys. And again,
Speaker 1: you're just looking for a couple of years of production
Speaker 1: with these running backs. So just pay attention to your tiers,
Speaker 1: and then after your tiers, go get your guy, Like,
Speaker 1: don't don't worry about consensus. If you've got a guy
Speaker 1: and you're like, you know what I want Zamier and White,
Speaker 1: I don't want to miss out on him after that
Speaker 1: tier break, take go get your guys, especially in this
Speaker 1: rookie class. The only other guy that I'll mentioned to
Speaker 1: keep an eye on I have not gotten to his
Speaker 1: tape of evaluation yet, but I've been hearing amazing things
Speaker 1: is Damien Pierce out of Florida. Another guy who underutilized
Speaker 1: at his respective school but has all the talent to
Speaker 1: be able to be an NFL running back. So keep
Speaker 1: an eye on Damien Pierce there the quarterback position. Not
Speaker 1: a guy in here that I felt really really compelled
Speaker 1: to get into the top twelve. I'm not a huge
Speaker 1: fan of this quarterback class man. None of these guys
Speaker 1: perceive a first round grade for me in my tape evaluation.
Speaker 1: So Malik Willis is the guy that if you're going
Speaker 1: to bet on someone from a fantasy perspective turning into
Speaker 1: something a year, two years, maybe even three years down
Speaker 1: the road, that could be the guy that you take
Speaker 1: a shot on here at the back end of round one.
Speaker 1: But not any of these guys that we were putting
Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence. Were putting Trey Lance somewhere in that one
Speaker 1: OA to one twelve range in our rookie mocks in
Speaker 1: one quarterback leagues last year. Not the case this year.
Speaker 1: Not a guy that I felt necessarily compelled to get
Speaker 1: into that top twelve. All right, that will do it
Speaker 1: for today's episode. Ray, Again, so appreciative of you, man,
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for wrapping this up beautifully with
Speaker 1: a bow. I felt like this honestly, it was one
Speaker 1: of our best episodes that you and I've ever done,
Speaker 1: and we saved it for the final one. That's how
Speaker 1: it goes. Man. Thank you Yates for having me on
Speaker 1: for this episode, and again I appreciate the opportunity to
Speaker 1: do this with you. Thank you to Fantasy Pros, and
Speaker 1: best at luck you buddy. We'll talk so absolutely. Thank
Speaker 1: you so much. All right that we'll do it for
Speaker 1: today's episode for Ray Garvin. I'm Kyle Yates, and thank
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