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Speaker 1: of our most recent content as well. So welcome to
Speaker 1: the show, Danny. How you doing today? Ready to talk
Speaker 1: some whiteouts? I am ready. I love this time of year.
Speaker 1: Dynasty is definitely like my favorite format of fantasy, and
Speaker 1: so the offseason is almost more fun. I know. It's
Speaker 1: hard to decide, honestly, because if well, right, yeah, you
Speaker 1: love having real football, but the NFL season I feel like,
Speaker 1: oh so quickly and it's so chaotic, and the offseason
Speaker 1: you can kind of like dig in and make your
Speaker 1: rankings and do all that. And so I'm in the
Speaker 1: process of doing my Dynasty rankings. I sent you guys
Speaker 1: my top ten for the receivers, but I'm still just
Speaker 1: FII to all the listeners. I'm still sort of formulating
Speaker 1: my full list of everything over the next couple of weeks.
Speaker 1: But yeah, love love Dynasty, Love this season, love this
Speaker 1: time of the season. I would say, I have a base.
Speaker 1: There's gonna be a couple shifts, and look, something you
Speaker 1: say or something fits might move me one way or
Speaker 1: the other, but fits. When you're looking in at these
Speaker 1: wide receivers, they're a little tougher to rank. I feel
Speaker 1: like the running backs are fairly easy. Quarterbacks are really easy.
Speaker 1: Wide receivers. I sit there with a guy like I
Speaker 1: can't move him a butt well, but the years I
Speaker 1: can't move him, like, I keep making excuses one way
Speaker 1: or the other in my head. It's sometimes hard for
Speaker 1: me to move some of these guys. But do you
Speaker 1: find that too, wide receivers a little bit tougher than
Speaker 1: the other positions so far? I think, Bugman, I find
Speaker 1: that the top ten is a little easier at wide receiver.
Speaker 1: I think it's a little more volatile at running back,
Speaker 1: But then after the top ten, I think it's harder
Speaker 1: at wide receiver. Just the top ten tough too, because
Speaker 1: there's so many good ones. Right. Anytime Danny talks Dynasty
Speaker 1: at a pod, like his voice goes up an octave,
Speaker 1: like I can tell he's getting pretty jazz. So people
Speaker 1: I say, I have dynasty brain, which can kind of
Speaker 1: affect the redraft, like the rules that you have in redraft,
Speaker 1: like the way that you make your teams, way that
Speaker 1: you build your teams, way that you trade. Sometimes it
Speaker 1: can kind of like seep in and like you know,
Speaker 1: you're thinking dynasty, you're thinking long term value for these guys,
Speaker 1: and it's sort of like you get too excited about
Speaker 1: rookies things like that, and redrafted. I definitely have to
Speaker 1: be aware of that because I definitely have dynasty brain
Speaker 1: with a lot of stuff. Well, let's let's dive in
Speaker 1: and talk about our top ten, because you know you
Speaker 1: gave us your list of your top ten. I put
Speaker 1: them together and there are some differences here, but interestingly,
Speaker 1: in enough to start here fits all three of us.
Speaker 1: Both start Jamar Jefferson, Jamar Chase justin Jefferson ECR is different,
Speaker 1: though it's reversed. It's the same too, But Jefferson's one
Speaker 1: in Jamar Chase is two. So is this a solo
Speaker 1: tier to you? And do you think that by the
Speaker 1: time we get to you know, post draft and people
Speaker 1: start seriously making their rankings and dropping them into the
Speaker 1: ECR that it is going to be Chase one in
Speaker 1: Jefferson two. For me, it's a pretty easy call on
Speaker 1: Chase over Jefferson, just like the year they when they
Speaker 1: were together at LSU. I mean, Chase was just the
Speaker 1: more explosive guy. Jefferson was kind of the you know,
Speaker 1: the slot target hog. But like, you know, Chase's big
Speaker 1: play machine and we saw it his rookie season and
Speaker 1: he plays with a much better quarterback and you know,
Speaker 1: like huge gap between Burrow and Cousins, and we didn't
Speaker 1: know he's gonna be playing with Burrow for the foreseeable
Speaker 1: feu even bigger if you're a Bearrass fan. Right, So,
Speaker 1: but Danny, I mean, is it the same to you
Speaker 1: or are you, um you think that's what the industry
Speaker 1: standard is going to end up being before the season starts.
Speaker 1: I would say so. Obviously Jefferson has a little bit
Speaker 1: more of a track wrecker, but um, you know, Chase,
Speaker 1: I think the tie wrecker. For me, it's this is
Speaker 1: a tier into its own, and then the tiebreaker is
Speaker 1: a quarterback they're attached to. Obviously, with Jefferson. You don't
Speaker 1: know what's going to happen with Kirk Cousins long term.
Speaker 1: If they signed Kirk Cousins too long term deal the
Speaker 1: Vikings do this offseason, I think then you can make
Speaker 1: arguments in favor of Justin Jefferson potentially, because I think,
Speaker 1: you know, the quarterback situation and the just the overall
Speaker 1: team situation is something that you have to factor in. UM.
Speaker 1: But that was for me the type breaker, and it
Speaker 1: was a pretty easy choice. I love both of those guys,
Speaker 1: and you know, if you're if you really have to choose,
Speaker 1: you go with the guy that has the quarterback pairing
Speaker 1: long term. And obviously with with Burrow in particular, it's
Speaker 1: a perfect pairing and it is the pairing that they
Speaker 1: had in college. And so that again is another just
Speaker 1: a slight bump up, because there's there's moments during the
Speaker 1: last couple years where Justin Jefferson clearly pissed off at
Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins, and so maybe that's something that you have
Speaker 1: to fector in just slightly, just slightly, and the fact
Speaker 1: that he's a year younger. UM, So yeah, I'd say,
Speaker 1: you know, all those points are correct, and I agree
Speaker 1: with them. And you know, if you're splitting it, you
Speaker 1: have to split hairs kind of. But yeah, if you
Speaker 1: have to make a ranking, that's how I do it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: everyone gets pissed at Kirk Cousins. I mean we've seen
Speaker 1: Adam feeling blood on the sidelines. Like everyone likes to
Speaker 1: yell at Kirk Cousins. I get it. Yeah, Well, Kirk
Speaker 1: Cousins is the most jekyl and hide player maybe in
Speaker 1: the NFL. He can do it not from game to game,
Speaker 1: but half to half may be the best quarterback in
Speaker 1: the NFL too. Why is this guy on a team ever?
Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean I get I get getting frustrated,
Speaker 1: and you know, fantasy owners also get frustrated with Kirk
Speaker 1: Cousins because he is uh, you know, hit or missy.
Speaker 1: You're you're rolling the dice if you're starting him. Yeah. Sure.
Speaker 1: Number three in Fitz's rankings is Ceedee lamb Ecr of six.
Speaker 1: I'm at five days at four. Per Cup is next,
Speaker 1: and the next guy we'll talk about here um Badasm
Speaker 1: at four. I'm at three. Danny, you have him at eight,
Speaker 1: so you are low man. Ecr is also four, so higher.
Speaker 1: This has got to be about age right, yes to me,
Speaker 1: I think so you'll see probably with the rest of
Speaker 1: my rankings too, Like I'm biased on age a lot,
Speaker 1: like and look, honestly, I think rankings are meant to
Speaker 1: be a guide book for people that are trying to
Speaker 1: like to make decisions. You know, don't one hundred percent
Speaker 1: you don't have one hundred percent trust like anybody's rankings
Speaker 1: on like who you should take if it's like they're
Speaker 1: right exactly, UM, A lot of what you have would
Speaker 1: have to take into account. It's like, what kind of
Speaker 1: team are you building? Like if this is a startup, UM,
Speaker 1: are you wanting to stylistically compete from your one and
Speaker 1: go in and like try and go all in and
Speaker 1: win in year one? Or do you want to build
Speaker 1: a you know, dynasty over the years and have guys
Speaker 1: that have those locked in UM for the next ten years.
Speaker 1: And so that was why Cooper Cup ended up being
Speaker 1: a little bit lower on my rankings than UM some
Speaker 1: of the other young ascending superstar receivers in the NFL.
Speaker 1: And it's mainly because of age and really just like
Speaker 1: longevity and the other thing that I kind of like
Speaker 1: keep in mind when I'm doing dynasty is generally, I
Speaker 1: love I love building with the receivers, and I like
Speaker 1: building with the younger receivers because they, to me, are
Speaker 1: the most liquid assets in Dynasty. Like you can trade
Speaker 1: aj Brown for anybody. You can trade Ceedee Lamb and
Speaker 1: get uh like a hall of whatever you want basically
Speaker 1: right Deebo, Samuel and T Higgins or whoever. But when
Speaker 1: it comes to Cup or a guy like Tyreek Hill
Speaker 1: or any of the older receivers DeVante Adams number one,
Speaker 1: not every team is going to want that guy and
Speaker 1: be willing to give up like elite elite, you know,
Speaker 1: assets to get that guy, because it depends on where
Speaker 1: they are in their team building. So I think they're
Speaker 1: a little more a liquid than the AJ Brown's Seed
Speaker 1: Lambs or the world dk Metcalf because it has to
Speaker 1: be the right team. It has to be a team
Speaker 1: that's competing in year one or right away. So that's
Speaker 1: kind of how I look at it. And I feel
Speaker 1: the same way about like some of the top tier
Speaker 1: running backs. It's like they're less liquid than some of
Speaker 1: the top receivers just because not everyone's gonna on trade
Speaker 1: for you know, Sequin Barkley or Alvin Kamara, right now
Speaker 1: because they're getting older and just sort of like the
Speaker 1: career arc and where you are as a team. So
Speaker 1: that's kind of how I look at it. That's why
Speaker 1: I have couple of lower Obviously he's an elite, elite
Speaker 1: asset right now, but I think that's like how that's
Speaker 1: like how I would explain it. And again, if you
Speaker 1: want to win right way, Cooper Cup would be higher.
Speaker 1: The fairy mark of value is a huge part of it,
Speaker 1: right fits that that's a big, big chunk of rankings
Speaker 1: for Dynasty. Correct. Yeah, Danny said that so well. And
Speaker 1: you and I talked about this in our first show together,
Speaker 1: how Dynasty value is sometimes not so much about the
Speaker 1: fantasy points a player scores, but what the market is
Speaker 1: for that player. So, and Danny makes a great point,
Speaker 1: like you can there's always going to be a market
Speaker 1: for a J. Brown, like he could you know, tear
Speaker 1: his acl like going down the stairs tomorrow and someone
Speaker 1: would still want to buy him from you because he's
Speaker 1: got a long term future beyond that. And uh, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean I guess from it's just that Cup hit
Speaker 1: this plateau, like you know, arguably, if you include the playoffs,
Speaker 1: the best wide receiver season we've seen ever. And like
Speaker 1: I said something on Twitter the other day, like it's
Speaker 1: funny that if you cut Cooper Cups twenty twenty one
Speaker 1: numbers in half and gave those numbers to like Levisca Chanal,
Speaker 1: everyone would be fired up about Leavisca's trajectory. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: would be like seventy two catches, nine hundred and seventy
Speaker 1: three yards, eight touchdowns and everyone would be like, oh yeah, Visca.
Speaker 1: That was what Trevor Lawrence in about yea. Yeah, oh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: so that you know. So, And like, I think Cup
Speaker 1: is going to age pretty well. Um, he's like, he
Speaker 1: hasn't had any major injuries, He's this this film rats, Um,
Speaker 1: he just seems like he lives for football. So I
Speaker 1: see him going pretty strong into like his mid thirties.
Speaker 1: I know it's gonna be his age twenty nine season.
Speaker 1: But you know, if we're looking at that two to
Speaker 1: four year, two to three year window for Dinah Steve,
Speaker 1: like I think Cups, you know, arguably going to return
Speaker 1: something close to the value we're gonna get from Chase
Speaker 1: and Jefferson over that near term. Yeah, Yeah, Cup is
Speaker 1: h He's a stud, right, now, but you know that
Speaker 1: that's the That's the thing in dynasty is do you
Speaker 1: want that right now? He's probably got two more great seasons,
Speaker 1: and great seasons mean not nearly as good as he
Speaker 1: was last season two, I mean, because last season was
Speaker 1: so insane. Just two great years. Then after that it
Speaker 1: gets really foggy, you know, because of the age, of course,
Speaker 1: twenty nine years old. Anytime you get over thirty, it's
Speaker 1: a bit of a question mark. Pat has got Debo
Speaker 1: at five, his ECRs ten. I'vem at four and Danny
Speaker 1: hasn't been six, so we're all way ahead. I think
Speaker 1: Debo is going to climb up that ECR the closer
Speaker 1: we get to the season as well. And the next
Speaker 1: one I want to stop and talk about is um, Pat,
Speaker 1: you have t Higgins at six, I'm at eleven. Danny's
Speaker 1: at nine and his ECR is eleven, so still of
Speaker 1: course very young here. I think he's twenty three years
Speaker 1: old te Higgins and on a great offense. The only
Speaker 1: reason I have him, and we all have him as
Speaker 1: a wide receiver one still, but the only reason I
Speaker 1: have him in that back half is because I mean,
Speaker 1: Jamar Chase is going to be the number one. They're
Speaker 1: moving forward forever. Doesn't mean that Higgins can have great
Speaker 1: years and still not produce like a wide receiver one
Speaker 1: in fantasy. I just think Chase has is going to
Speaker 1: take a little shine off of him. So Higgins at six,
Speaker 1: explain it. Yeah, so like the youth obviously, that's part
Speaker 1: of it. And I'm not as worried as some people
Speaker 1: might be about having to share targets with Jamar Chase. Yeah,
Speaker 1: on one hand, that can occasionally lead to quiet weeks,
Speaker 1: but it can also mean that, you know what it it means,
Speaker 1: We're never going to see like shadow coverage from the
Speaker 1: other team's top corner. I mean maybe I think opponents
Speaker 1: are probably just going to play sides with their cornerbacks
Speaker 1: against the Bengals because it's it's picked your poison. So um,
Speaker 1: but like he's never going to see bracket coverage. He's
Speaker 1: gonna get a lot of FaceTime against like number two
Speaker 1: cornerbacks on certain teams. Um, and we summed on the
Speaker 1: stretch have four hundred yard games uh in the last
Speaker 1: six regular season games for the Bengals, not counting the
Speaker 1: one where they laid down in Week seventeen. But um,
Speaker 1: you know and part of it, admittedly might be that,
Speaker 1: uh you know in my my main dynasty league, my
Speaker 1: my home league with my friends, Uh, you know, I
Speaker 1: got hit with that what was it, um twelve catch,
Speaker 1: one hundred and ninety four yard, two touchdown game against
Speaker 1: the Ravens in Week sixteen. Like I was the championship
Speaker 1: favorite and Higgins pretty much single handedly knocked out. So
Speaker 1: the Ravens had like, weren't they running waterboys out of
Speaker 1: corner at that point? Much? Yeah? That was that was rough. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was a tough one. I mean that's a great point,
Speaker 1: you know, about getting the worst cover corner most likely
Speaker 1: or like you said, they're just gonna play sides with
Speaker 1: their corner is because damned if you do Danny, if
Speaker 1: you don't with chasing Higgins. So I mean, Danny is
Speaker 1: Higgins a guy that could easily climb into the first
Speaker 1: the top half of wide receivers in the first round. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think the only reason I didn't have him higher
Speaker 1: was because of the Chase factor. But like Pat you
Speaker 1: makes some good points about like that's actually maybe like
Speaker 1: a bonus for Higgins is you're never gonna get like
Speaker 1: bracket coverage on him. So I mean, I believe in
Speaker 1: higgins talent. I think he's young, I believe in the
Speaker 1: quarterback connection. So there's not I don't have a strong
Speaker 1: reaction to have to you having him that high. I
Speaker 1: just kind of like, there's a lot of really elite
Speaker 1: sort of receivers in the NFL right now, and so
Speaker 1: it's just kind of hard to like rank them that way.
Speaker 1: So I don't have a strong reaction either way. And
Speaker 1: to be totally honest, like I really like Higgins. I
Speaker 1: think you know, the trajectory is is like sky high.
Speaker 1: It's like pointing directly up. So yeah, that's why I
Speaker 1: said it was hard for me to rank this top
Speaker 1: ten because there's so many good options. And then this
Speaker 1: draft class is adding so many more great options too,
Speaker 1: So we'll get in a little bit as well. But
Speaker 1: next on the list is A J. Brown. At Pat
Speaker 1: you have met seven, I have met six. Danny hasn't
Speaker 1: met three. Now, this one's a little different because the
Speaker 1: ECR on AJ Brown is three. So Danny, I'll let
Speaker 1: you go first on this. Explain to us why he
Speaker 1: is a top three wide receiver. And obviously you feel
Speaker 1: like when we get close to he's gonna stay at
Speaker 1: that three and not move down to six or seven,
Speaker 1: where Fitz and I haven't. I'm like already, I'm like
Speaker 1: already kind of thinking that maybe wrong on this, but
Speaker 1: like I don't know, the number three spot is is
Speaker 1: a tier in itself too, like I said, Jamar Chase
Speaker 1: and Justin Jefferson as a tier, and then from there,
Speaker 1: like I would listen to arguments for like five or
Speaker 1: six guys who three, right, And so I just want
Speaker 1: with AJ Brown because he's got a little bit more
Speaker 1: established production than some of the other guys here. You know,
Speaker 1: he's been healthy, he's commanded elite target rates, he's put
Speaker 1: up elite production. Whenever he gets a lot of targets,
Speaker 1: he just absolutely goes bonkers. So I put that, I
Speaker 1: put that. I put him there instead of like a
Speaker 1: Ceedee Lamb, whom I think is still sort of on
Speaker 1: the precipice of breaking out truly. I think he's obviously
Speaker 1: had a lot of flashes, and I think I believe
Speaker 1: in his talent obviously, but he hasn't quite done the
Speaker 1: same thing as A J. Brown yet. I think a J.
Speaker 1: Brown's style, his physical attributes just elite elite talent physically
Speaker 1: and in football, those would be like kind of the
Speaker 1: reasons I put him there. But like, again, I don't know,
Speaker 1: there's a few different guys here. I think if I'm
Speaker 1: on the clock and these three, three or four guys
Speaker 1: are on the on the board, I'm like having a
Speaker 1: very tough time deciding who I want to take. Maybe
Speaker 1: it just depends on who I have on my other
Speaker 1: Dynasty leagues, to be honest, and I just want to like,
Speaker 1: you know, diversify or whatever. But um, yeah, I think
Speaker 1: A J. Brown. You know, there's no reason for me
Speaker 1: to believe that he's anything but legit, I guess is
Speaker 1: kind of like the bottom line. I think he's really
Speaker 1: really talented player and is always going to be the
Speaker 1: number one target hug in his offense. Yeah, And you know,
Speaker 1: it's funny about Aja Brown fits because I remember when
Speaker 1: he came back off his injury this year, everyone was like,
Speaker 1: do I starman DFS, And I was like, I just
Speaker 1: do not like starting guys that are fresh off an
Speaker 1: injury like that. And then he goes out and he
Speaker 1: puts up like ten catches for one hundred and forty
Speaker 1: yards and a couple scores or something on Thursday night
Speaker 1: and I was like, well, I guess I'm an idiot,
Speaker 1: but Aja Brown the talent is special for him for sure, right. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Danny like made a good point about the not much
Speaker 1: separation between the like from three to eight or so,
Speaker 1: and I think that's the case here, and like the
Speaker 1: good point about AJ Brown's ability to just take over
Speaker 1: a game, which we maybe haven't really seen from CD
Speaker 1: Lamb yet. You know, with Lamb, I think it's it's
Speaker 1: like an eye test thing with Lamb. Like, I think
Speaker 1: it's there and we're gonna see it eventually. Like you know,
Speaker 1: we're gonna see games in the NFL like he had
Speaker 1: against Texas and the Red River rivalry game in twenty
Speaker 1: nineteen where he torched them for three touchdowns and uh
Speaker 1: appreciate that. Sorry about that, Bagman, I didn't notice. Uh yeah,
Speaker 1: just take those little shots at Bogman's Steelers anyway. Um.
Speaker 1: But yeah, like A. J. Brown is and I'm not
Speaker 1: too worried about the fact that he's been a little
Speaker 1: nicked up the last two couple of years. Um, Like
Speaker 1: maybe some people might hold that against him, but like
Speaker 1: as far as just a physical specimen too, I mean
Speaker 1: it's like, you know, the old miss, guys, AJ and
Speaker 1: DK are just right hard to beat them as as
Speaker 1: far as just physical prototypes. I mean, yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: you're you're not wrong. They are awesome. Uh. The next
Speaker 1: guy moving down here, speaking of DK Metcab is DK Metcab. Uh, Pat,
Speaker 1: you have him at eight. I haven't ten. Danny has
Speaker 1: him at five. I don't know about you, guys. I'm
Speaker 1: still holding him down a little bit because of that
Speaker 1: three tone drill. Obviously it's not gonna be a good
Speaker 1: NFL wide receiver because of that. So no, it's my kid,
Speaker 1: But Danny just a little higher than we are on
Speaker 1: DK Metcalf. Um, Pat, you're right in line on ECR,
Speaker 1: you're a little above. I'm a little below. So tell
Speaker 1: me about DK metcalf. So you know, there might be
Speaker 1: a little bit of bias involved in this. I'm a
Speaker 1: Seahawks fan, just full full disclose, okay. Um. That's however,
Speaker 1: I actually kind of think that that it's the opposite
Speaker 1: of like makes me a little bit more um like
Speaker 1: negative about or whatever. Negative. I also don't like to roster,
Speaker 1: Like I'm a Steelers fan, I don't particularly like to
Speaker 1: roster Steelers players because I feel like I'm always going
Speaker 1: to put them in, you know, I'm always gonna side
Speaker 1: with them, which is just not a smart strategy. So
Speaker 1: so with Metcalf, again, it's it's almost exactly the same
Speaker 1: thing with with A. J. Brown, Like physically elite, elite traits,
Speaker 1: one of the fastest guys in the NFL um and
Speaker 1: I personally believe Russell Wilson's gonna stay. So obviously that
Speaker 1: has to kind of factor into your analysis on where
Speaker 1: you're ranking DK Metcalf. How how confident do you feel
Speaker 1: that he's gonna be paired with Russell Wilson a long term?
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think Wilson's gonna actually leave. I've
Speaker 1: him't been hot on that tiny bit, but I think
Speaker 1: ultimately Wilson's around for a couple more years, They'll figure
Speaker 1: out a way to keep him. They're not going to
Speaker 1: trade him. So that's that's a big part of it.
Speaker 1: And then obviously this last season, I think there is
Speaker 1: some maybe recency bias going on with like where Metcalf
Speaker 1: is on the rankings, just because obviously Russell Wilson struggled,
Speaker 1: he had a broken finger for a while. Seahawks offense
Speaker 1: really struggled to find itself. But I mean, if you
Speaker 1: look at the numbers since he came into the NFL,
Speaker 1: he is fifth in touchdowns. He has twenty nine touchdowns
Speaker 1: in three seasons. By the way, Cooper Cup has twenty
Speaker 1: nine touchdowns in one fewer game than DK Metcalf in
Speaker 1: that stretch, So he's an elite touchdown scorer. He's eleventh
Speaker 1: and targets, and this is despite the Seahawks being a
Speaker 1: lower volume passing offense generally speaking, But like that just
Speaker 1: speaks to him being a target dominator. This offense in
Speaker 1: general runs through like two to three people. You don't
Speaker 1: really have to worry about all these other guys in
Speaker 1: the same way that you have to worry about maybe
Speaker 1: like a CD Lamb or whoever, um, where there's a
Speaker 1: whole bunch of people in the in the offense that
Speaker 1: kind of like spread the ball around. It's like he
Speaker 1: came at half or Tyler Lockett down the field. So
Speaker 1: you know, I think he's eleventh and targets, eleventh and
Speaker 1: yards fifth and touchdowns among receivers since he came into
Speaker 1: the NFL, I think, and all the guys above him
Speaker 1: on all those lists, by the way, are older than him,
Speaker 1: so I don't know. To me, it's just number one.
Speaker 1: The talent I believe in. I believe in the fact
Speaker 1: that they're gonna be He's gonna be paired with Russell Wilson.
Speaker 1: That's obviously a risk, but I believe that that will
Speaker 1: be the case. Hopefully I'm not proven wrong about that
Speaker 1: over the next couple of weeks. But um, you know,
Speaker 1: that's why I would put him so high. I guess,
Speaker 1: like relative to the ECR and you guys, But you
Speaker 1: know again, it's it's I'm not like one hundred percent
Speaker 1: married to this. I think it's just like where you
Speaker 1: stack these guys up. And I believe in the town,
Speaker 1: I believe in the connection. I believe in the production
Speaker 1: he's had so and I still think he's he's an
Speaker 1: as sending player and it fits when I look at
Speaker 1: DK Metcalf and I see that I have him lower
Speaker 1: than ECR, I hate it, right, I just I want
Speaker 1: to move him up because he's so talented, he's such
Speaker 1: a good player. It's just, you know, I'm a little Russ,
Speaker 1: a little worried about Russ, and you know, because we
Speaker 1: just saw DK Metcalf be a different player with Gino
Speaker 1: Smith obviously, of course you know it's not a surprise
Speaker 1: at all. But whoever takes over after Russ leaves and
Speaker 1: DK is assumingly still in Seattle, that's gonna be It's
Speaker 1: gonna be hard to match Russ either way. So I
Speaker 1: just have him slightly still a wide receiver one you're
Speaker 1: right on consensus, so Metcalf still obviously a great player, right. Yeah.
Speaker 1: When I looked at my top ten this morning before
Speaker 1: the show bagman, like I was the one thing I
Speaker 1: felt bad about was having DK where I had him,
Speaker 1: Like it's just too low. Um Like, I think I'm
Speaker 1: probably gonna move him up to number five. Like it
Speaker 1: is recency bias, it is him for whatever reason, not
Speaker 1: clicking with Russell Wilson. I'm sure Danny has theories on this,
Speaker 1: but like after Russ came back from that grewsome finger injury,
Speaker 1: it just could not get back on the same page,
Speaker 1: and Russ just wasn't himself generally, I think, yeah, but
Speaker 1: um so yeah, Like put it this way that that
Speaker 1: team I had where t Higgins single headedly knocks me out,
Speaker 1: I've got DK and Debo on that team. Like I'm
Speaker 1: gonna shop one of them, and it's not gonna be DK.
Speaker 1: It's here. So I think I do need to move
Speaker 1: DK up ahead of Debo, probably into that number five spot. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm not willing to do that, but but just because Debo.
Speaker 1: I'm a little tied to Debo too, because I liked
Speaker 1: him so much during the pre draft process that I
Speaker 1: was yeah, yeah, I mean you you you know how
Speaker 1: it is, Danny. You get stuck on your guy and
Speaker 1: you're like, I told you, I told you he's I mean,
Speaker 1: I told everybody acting why he was gonna be great too,
Speaker 1: didn't even be trapped, So you know, stuff happens. But
Speaker 1: you know, I can't hit every time, can't hit everything, right,
Speaker 1: That's what I say. That's my excuse for sure. But
Speaker 1: moving down here after DK, we have Tyreek at nine
Speaker 1: h for Pat, I've got him at seven. Danny's got
Speaker 1: him in seven ECRs five. We're all a little low
Speaker 1: on him. Nothing but age there versus these other guys.
Speaker 1: That's it. And I'll speak for both of you and
Speaker 1: say that it's age and I don't I don't think
Speaker 1: I'm wrong right Age, And like some people are bothered
Speaker 1: by the week to week inconsistency. Okay, but but it's
Speaker 1: more about age than that. Yeah, I he's a boom
Speaker 1: er bust for sure. So Tyreek Hill is so uh
Speaker 1: and then uh ten is Davante Adams is CCRs seven.
Speaker 1: I've got him at eight. Wasn't in your top ten, Danny.
Speaker 1: I gotta assume that he's just right outside though, right, Yes,
Speaker 1: I got him at eleven. And it's the same explanation
Speaker 1: I basically add for Cooper Cup. It's like Davante Adams
Speaker 1: is a great player. Obviously. There's question marks though about
Speaker 1: where Aaron Roger's gonna be, where he's gonna be, whether
Speaker 1: they're gonna be together. Obviously that's a big deal. Um
Speaker 1: you know, are you? And again it's like the liquid
Speaker 1: nature of like a trade asset, like, are is anyone
Speaker 1: going to buy this guy at this point right now?
Speaker 1: You know? Because for what it costs or what you
Speaker 1: should get for him, it's kind of hard to sell him, honestly,
Speaker 1: I bet, And so that to me factors in a
Speaker 1: little bit. Again it's floating hairs. But you know, when
Speaker 1: you're when you're putting these together, when you're doing a startup,
Speaker 1: you gotta think about this stuff and how you're building
Speaker 1: your team. So that's why I have him slightly lower
Speaker 1: than you know, some of these younger guys are going
Speaker 1: to be round for the next six seven years plus.
Speaker 1: And you know, anyone's ranking that isn't like ours can
Speaker 1: also be right because like Danny just said, you know,
Speaker 1: if you're doing a startup, we're all ranking, assuming you're
Speaker 1: drafting today, that that's what our ranking is. But if
Speaker 1: you have an established team and your team is good,
Speaker 1: Davante Adams is worth more to you than the DK
Speaker 1: metcalf is because you want to win today, you want
Speaker 1: to win this year, so that can obviously influence it everything.
Speaker 1: And the last guy I want to mention here just
Speaker 1: because I love him and I know you guys too,
Speaker 1: Jayla Wattle, Pat you have him at eleven. I got
Speaker 1: him at nine. H Danny, you have him at ten.
Speaker 1: And Danny, I'll just say this for me, I expected
Speaker 1: Waddle to be good, and I thought he was a
Speaker 1: little underrated going in. I did not expect him to
Speaker 1: be as good as he was in his rookie season. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean he was outstanding, right, Yeah, he was very
Speaker 1: very good. I will be honest. I thought he was
Speaker 1: a tiny bit overrated going into last year, and then
Speaker 1: he proved me wrong. He definitely lived up to the
Speaker 1: hype end more. And I think the nice part about
Speaker 1: him is there's a lot of meat on the bone
Speaker 1: in terms of like, wow, they can utilize him. Obviously,
Speaker 1: they used him in like a low yack situation that
Speaker 1: didn't really have a lot of talent around him, not
Speaker 1: what he was at Alabama, right so exactly so there's
Speaker 1: this potential I think attached to him. And you know,
Speaker 1: I still think there's a chance that he wasn't one
Speaker 1: hundred percent too based on like that ankle injury that
Speaker 1: was still bothering our foot injury, whatever was that that
Speaker 1: he that missed time his final year at Alabama. I
Speaker 1: think there's a chance we see an even better version
Speaker 1: of him going forward. Obviously, he's still young, twenty three
Speaker 1: years old, um And you know, I just I think
Speaker 1: getting in an offense where they're not just running really
Speaker 1: quick game rpo stuff in theory will open things up
Speaker 1: for him, make him more valuable. Um. So I'm definitely
Speaker 1: bullish on him going forward. I liked I like to
Speaker 1: both Chase and Davante Smith a little bit more last
Speaker 1: year in terms of just my overall like rankings. But
Speaker 1: I think his situation is better than Davanta Smith right
Speaker 1: now for sure? For sure? I mean, uh and uh, pat,
Speaker 1: I mean maybe I need to ask Danny to earmuffs this.
Speaker 1: But if you took Russell Wilson and dropped him into
Speaker 1: South Beach, right, damn it, how higher is Jalen Waddle going? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I mean yeah, boards get that get that average depth
Speaker 1: to target op because Danny said it. I mean, like
Speaker 1: he um was great last year, but it was almost
Speaker 1: like they were using him in that old Jarvis Landry role.
Speaker 1: And this is a dude who can be a serious
Speaker 1: lidlifter and like, let's get some of that vertical action
Speaker 1: with with Jalen Waddle. Um. But the nice thing about
Speaker 1: the lower aid out role though, this uh you know
Speaker 1: kind of possession receiver thing he was doing, is like
Speaker 1: he was really consistent week to week this past year.
Speaker 1: It took a while for the touchdowns to get going,
Speaker 1: but um, like Waddle was giving you something almost every week,
Speaker 1: which a lot of times you don't see from rookie receivers. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I start about him. Was he you knew that you
Speaker 1: could start him? You know what I mean, because there's
Speaker 1: a lot of guys where it's like unrealized production, especially
Speaker 1: in league you're not doing best ball, where you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: he had a really good week, but do I trust
Speaker 1: him over like some veteran established guy this week, so
Speaker 1: I'll put him in my starting lineup. And Lavante Smith
Speaker 1: was very much like that last totally. Like you know,
Speaker 1: if you look at their final end of season, you know,
Speaker 1: scoring or ranking or whatever, it's like, oh, he was
Speaker 1: a high end wide receiver two or starry wide receiver three,
Speaker 1: or a low end wide receiver two. But like I
Speaker 1: didn't start him ever kind of deal, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, because I was just too worried about the variants.
Speaker 1: You know, with Wattle, he was a guy that was
Speaker 1: really actually useful down the stretch last year. So you know,
Speaker 1: if you put if you put stock into that, if
Speaker 1: you value that, I think that's definitely something else to
Speaker 1: keep in mind here, because you know you're getting more
Speaker 1: usable weeks out of them. The best dance in the
Speaker 1: NFL to the Wattle, So gotta factor that into absolutely.
Speaker 1: Of course. Of course, look we are going to move
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Speaker 1: the tiebreaker on some of these. First one, you're actually
Speaker 1: not a tiebreaker between Fits and I. You're gonna see
Speaker 1: we are just a little different than ECR. And I
Speaker 1: want to know what your take is because we both
Speaker 1: have this guy at the same spot, Calvin Ridley at
Speaker 1: twenty five, and I think the reason and Fits you
Speaker 1: could correct me if I'm mistaken on this, because we
Speaker 1: just can't have him as a wide receiver two without
Speaker 1: knowing something about him coming back. If he gets traight,
Speaker 1: if he gets moved and he comes back to Atlanta,
Speaker 1: all great, definitely would be much higher than twenty five
Speaker 1: are currently. Is seventeen fits on my right in my
Speaker 1: assuming that you just can't put him at wide receiver
Speaker 1: two until we hear something about him. It is I mean,
Speaker 1: I think that's the hesitance. And like the question I
Speaker 1: hated getting from like Twitter followers all season and I
Speaker 1: got it repeatedly, was like, is it okay to drop
Speaker 1: Calvin Ridley, Like, dude, I can't tell you what his
Speaker 1: you know, mental state is right now, Like I can't
Speaker 1: tell you anything about that. So and we still don't
Speaker 1: know for sure, like we're assuming he's gonna come back.
Speaker 1: He's a young player and hopefully as many productive years
Speaker 1: ahead of him, but like that is the question mark
Speaker 1: that's sort of lingering right now. Yeah, and Danny, I
Speaker 1: think if we knew Calvin Ridley was playing, he probably
Speaker 1: be a top fifteen, yeah, wide receiver, if not higher
Speaker 1: than that. So but I just with no news, we
Speaker 1: I can't I can't tell people to take him as
Speaker 1: a wide receiver too if he ain't gonna play if
Speaker 1: he's a wide receiver three and he doesn't play way
Speaker 1: less of a hit than a wide receiver too, correct, Yes,
Speaker 1: I think. I mean again, like we just don't know.
Speaker 1: We have no way of knowing. There hasn't been any
Speaker 1: report really, you know, in the last calendar year almost
Speaker 1: or I guess no, not quiet, but you know, coming
Speaker 1: into like next year, we'll have like it'll be like
Speaker 1: a full year where we don't really know what's going on.
Speaker 1: And so I think, you know, me being sort of
Speaker 1: a just a natural optimist. I think he's going to
Speaker 1: keep playing and continue his NFL career, and so I
Speaker 1: would feel fine taking him right there, you know, where
Speaker 1: you guys have him. I think that's just eyeballing it.
Speaker 1: That sounds right, But again, it's just a it's a
Speaker 1: little bit of a risk because he could just decide
Speaker 1: he doesn't want to play football anymore and then obviously,
Speaker 1: you know, you don't get anything out of him anymore.
Speaker 1: So hopefully back and ready to play football, because obviously
Speaker 1: I like washing him play, and he's a he's a
Speaker 1: really good player. Um, but you know, we don't know
Speaker 1: anything right now, and there's there's literally seems like there's
Speaker 1: been like zero reports on it other than maybe he's traded.
Speaker 1: So um, we'll have to find out. Uh. It was
Speaker 1: something we do know about is Gabriel Davis had what
Speaker 1: was that playoff game? Fits it was four hundred and
Speaker 1: eighty three receiving yards and six touchdowns against the Chiefs.
Speaker 1: I mean it was an absurd game obviously, which got
Speaker 1: a lot of eyes on him. And he's still very
Speaker 1: very young, twenty three years old going into this season.
Speaker 1: You've gottenim at twenty nine, I've got him at forty one.
Speaker 1: Is ECR is thirty eight, But I think Sanders and
Speaker 1: Beasley are both gone too, which moves him up. So
Speaker 1: I understand the optimism. Um, what is about Gabe Davis
Speaker 1: that has him as a top three wide receiver for you? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I might have overreacted to it a little bit, and
Speaker 1: it's possible I have to, like, uh, you know, let
Speaker 1: let the dust settle from that epic performance against the
Speaker 1: Chiefs and and uh, but like I do you feel
Speaker 1: like the runway is now clear for him. They're not
Speaker 1: gonna let Emmanuel Sanders stand in his way anymore. He's
Speaker 1: gonna be tethered to Josh Allen, you know, this top quarterback.
Speaker 1: So I think the future is pretty bright here. Twenty
Speaker 1: nine might be a little rosy, but like, I do
Speaker 1: think he belongs in wide receiver three range, you know,
Speaker 1: just a guy who's kind of shown a knack for
Speaker 1: big plays, for scoring touchdowns, and like, I think that
Speaker 1: the targets are gonna spike in year three. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: I mean I think what we saw from that playoff
Speaker 1: game Dan, it was like kind of Peekee DeShawn Jackson
Speaker 1: esque performance from Gabe Davis. Like he's really a big
Speaker 1: play guy, but was making all kinds of plays in
Speaker 1: that game. So basically the argument here is wide receiver
Speaker 1: three or wide receiver four. I do tend I don't know. Again,
Speaker 1: I'm sort of eyeballing it, but I think I think
Speaker 1: would you have twenty nine? I think that's maybe just
Speaker 1: a touch high. But like, I'm not gonna, like really
Speaker 1: get upset about it, because, like he said, he's attached
Speaker 1: to Josh Allen. This is what we've been hearing for
Speaker 1: the two years he's been with the team, that this
Speaker 1: is like the role they envisioned for him. Obviously, when
Speaker 1: Emmanuel Sanders came in and kind of like the pecking
Speaker 1: order changed and he didn't get to break out quite
Speaker 1: as early. But I think we saw what they saw,
Speaker 1: um in terms of like what the role they want
Speaker 1: him to play. Obviously, the connection is there, the chemistry
Speaker 1: is there. You're you're in an offense that they're throwing
Speaker 1: the ball a ton. Josh Allen can throw it a
Speaker 1: million yards um, So the deep threat is always there.
Speaker 1: I like, there's a lot to like about him, um,
Speaker 1: But you know, in the back of my mind, there's
Speaker 1: always just like this fear that he is a fourth rounder.
Speaker 1: They could end up drafting like a second rounder this
Speaker 1: year or even a first rounder, and then his ranking
Speaker 1: will drop. I still think he's gonna be productive even
Speaker 1: if they do end up getting another guy. Um. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but he's been productive with another guy, you know, right,
Speaker 1: So I think this is about right. I really am
Speaker 1: pretty bullish on him. I'm excited about what he can
Speaker 1: do the next one. I am upset bad. I gotta
Speaker 1: I gotta tell you because DeAndre Hopkins has one bad
Speaker 1: year and what is and it was bad and he
Speaker 1: did look old, so I understand that, but you're dropping
Speaker 1: him to thirty six. His ECR is twenty three. I've
Speaker 1: got him at twenty two and just before this is
Speaker 1: all I'm gonna say, and then I'm gonna drop the
Speaker 1: mic and let you speak. Twenty twenty wide receiver four,
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen Wide receiver five, twenty eighteen wide receiver one
Speaker 1: at twenty seventeen wide receiver one. So to say that
Speaker 1: fits thirty six DeAndre Hopkins. Yeah, So like between Gabriel
Speaker 1: Davis and DeAndre Hopkins, I'm really getting painted as the
Speaker 1: knee jerk guy here. So I kind of resent you
Speaker 1: for like underscoring. Remember that Ceedee Lamb comment from before,
Speaker 1: So he did give me back there nicely. So, um, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm a little worried about Hopkins and how he's going
Speaker 1: to age, being the guy who seems to like not
Speaker 1: really want to practice that much, and we're it's gonna
Speaker 1: be harder to tell if it's like a real injury.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's always kind of been the guy who,
Speaker 1: like sometimes Ben Roethlisberger of wide receivers, yeah and like,
Speaker 1: but until this year, he was still you know, maybe
Speaker 1: missed a couple of practices, but he was always the
Speaker 1: guy who answered the bell on Sunday. And then it
Speaker 1: stopped happening this year. So I don't know. I mean
Speaker 1: it's it's like I kind of want to get out
Speaker 1: on him while you know fallen knife. Yeah, I want
Speaker 1: to be the guy to catch it. And I'm a
Speaker 1: little worried about, you know, how it looks with DeAndre, Like,
Speaker 1: I'm not worried about how Cooper Cup is gonna age,
Speaker 1: but I'm worried about how a guy like Nuke is
Speaker 1: gonna age. Now can I There's no way for me
Speaker 1: to talk him into a top wide receiver, a wide
Speaker 1: receiver two for you right top twenty four wide out. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't think so can do it all right, Danny.
Speaker 1: So tiebreaker, is Hopkins a wide receiver two right now?
Speaker 1: Or has he fallen two wide receiver three at this point?
Speaker 1: It's tough. Again, I'm balling it. I think he's more
Speaker 1: of a wide receiver, a low end wide receiver two.
Speaker 1: But that means that being said, like I actually agree
Speaker 1: with everything that Pat said. They're about the worries that
Speaker 1: are around him. I think he so basically again, it's
Speaker 1: like a question of what type of team are you
Speaker 1: building and how that's basically how you would rank him again,
Speaker 1: it would be more like a tier. I put him
Speaker 1: in the same tier as like say Keenan, Allen, Tyler Lockett,
Speaker 1: guys that are like getting close to being thirty years
Speaker 1: old but can be still very effective for your team
Speaker 1: if you're if you're looking to make a championship run
Speaker 1: right away. And I think that again goes into the rankings,
Speaker 1: and I think that's like some of the gray area
Speaker 1: that like makes these things so hard. But like overall,
Speaker 1: you know, Number one a little bit worried about, like
Speaker 1: the Cliff Kingsbury regime in Arizona in terms of like
Speaker 1: the offense they run doesn't really maximize him, doesn't really
Speaker 1: maximize Hopkins, doesn't really maximize Kyler. Kyler seems upset or
Speaker 1: at least that's sort of like the rumblings right now.
Speaker 1: He's unfollowing all the cardinal stuff on his on his
Speaker 1: social media that Pat and I have talked about state
Speaker 1: that that's news, but it's news. Yeah. You know, on
Speaker 1: one hand, there is a potential here that that he
Speaker 1: could have like a rebound, a big rebound year in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty two, because you're losing potentially Christian kirk Um
Speaker 1: zach Ertz is a free agent. Reminder me, they have
Speaker 1: a couple other guys that are like basically leaving, and
Speaker 1: they're both of the running backs are leaving. So there's
Speaker 1: like this chance that he could just be a target
Speaker 1: hog um. But if you look at like his underlying
Speaker 1: numbers this last season, he was just living on touchdowns,
Speaker 1: and I don't think you can necessarily depend on that
Speaker 1: going forward. So I kind of I fell right sort
Speaker 1: of in the middle. I think just depends on what
Speaker 1: type of team you're wanting to build. I don't think
Speaker 1: he's like gonna fall off the age cliff right away. Um,
Speaker 1: but you're gonna have a guy who is depending on touchdowns.
Speaker 1: If he doesn't score touchdowns, he's not gonna get you
Speaker 1: big weeks because his target rate is not as high
Speaker 1: as it used to be. It was like, you know,
Speaker 1: several points lower than than his career average just last year.
Speaker 1: So that's like definitely worrisome. So, you know, I kind
Speaker 1: of fall in the middle again, not trying to fence it,
Speaker 1: but I don't think he is a bad asset at
Speaker 1: this point in terms of dynasty, but he's definitely sort
Speaker 1: of like right on the edge of b in one.
Speaker 1: So I'm glad you mentioned the Kingsberry thing though, Danny,
Speaker 1: I mean, he hasn't gone over the age cliff, but
Speaker 1: he might go over the cliff cliff. Yeah, good one.
Speaker 1: Well I don't I mean, you know, I know I'm
Speaker 1: a Homer Texas fan, but I have no idea why
Speaker 1: Cliff Kingsbury got fired from Texas Tech and then hired
Speaker 1: by the Arizona Cardinals still doesn't make a lot of
Speaker 1: sense to me. He probably should have just stayed the
Speaker 1: o C at USC But what do I know. I'm
Speaker 1: going to group the next four together because it's all guys.
Speaker 1: I'm a little bit glass half full on and Pat
Speaker 1: is a little glass half empty on. So we'll just
Speaker 1: burn through these four real quick. I've got Keenell at nineteen,
Speaker 1: you haven't. A thirty seven fits his ECRs eighteen, Juju
Speaker 1: I have at twenty six, you have at forty nine.
Speaker 1: We're both kind of in between as his ZCR is
Speaker 1: thirty nine. DJ Shark I have at thirty eight, you
Speaker 1: have at fifty. His ECR is closer to you at
Speaker 1: forty nine. And then Adam Dealing forty four I have met,
Speaker 1: you haven't at sixty two. His ECR is forty five.
Speaker 1: So fits any of your comments on Alan, Juju, DJ
Speaker 1: and Adam Dealing. Um, I'm probably too low on Juju,
Speaker 1: and I think we're going to see an adjustment no
Speaker 1: matter what, based on his landing spot. You know, if
Speaker 1: he goes to the Chiefs, I'm going to shoot him up.
Speaker 1: Like probably spots. Um. So uh, like Theelan and Alan
Speaker 1: are the ones I'm a little concerned about it. Like Allan,
Speaker 1: there's just not much big play in his profile, you know,
Speaker 1: it's all it's all on volume and yes, exactly, he
Speaker 1: has gotten full like early career Jarvis Landry. And that's
Speaker 1: the thing, Like, yes, he stayed healthy after he struggled
Speaker 1: with injuries his first couple of years. Um, Like I
Speaker 1: don't know, you can't call him injury prone, you can't
Speaker 1: call him super durable, but like what happens when and
Speaker 1: he you know, he doesn't score touchdowns, he doesn't have
Speaker 1: big plays. He's got to live on volume. And as
Speaker 1: he gets into his thirties, like having to take those
Speaker 1: you know, all those hits he takes. He lives over
Speaker 1: the middle, you know, and like that's a hard way
Speaker 1: to make a living for an older receiver, you know,
Speaker 1: So I worry about that a little and feeling, we've
Speaker 1: just seen the efficiency dip. I think, you know, career
Speaker 1: low ten point eight yards per catch, seven point six
Speaker 1: yards per target, which is pretty gross. Uh, you know,
Speaker 1: like we keep waiting for the touchdown regression that never happens.
Speaker 1: He always scores like twelve touchdowns no matter what. But
Speaker 1: I just like, plus, you know, Jefferson is the alpha here,
Speaker 1: So I think there's kind of a low floor for feeling,
Speaker 1: who's the one guy forgetting about the quartet giving shark? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I gotta move him up. That's like that's too much
Speaker 1: of a hit. I know, like he got the uh
Speaker 1: the disc from Urban Meyer being the the big guy
Speaker 1: who plays a little But like I think, depending on
Speaker 1: where he goes exactly by the opposite of what he
Speaker 1: says exactly. So I probably do need to move him up.
Speaker 1: And like I'm not giving up on him just yet.
Speaker 1: You know, he does like it's kind of a jury
Speaker 1: out thing with him, but um, you know I should
Speaker 1: move him up maybe, so I think, Um, I think,
Speaker 1: Keenan Allen, you might have convinced me a little bit
Speaker 1: to move to move him down. I just I thought
Speaker 1: I was moving him down a little bit because the
Speaker 1: last couple of years or last five seasons wide does
Speaker 1: here eleven? Why does Siver thirteen? Why sever six? Wide eleven?
Speaker 1: Wide receiver three? Right? And I was not a Keenan
Speaker 1: Allen guy for a while because the dude wasn't staying
Speaker 1: on the field, and I can't stand that. You know,
Speaker 1: availability is the best ability. So now I'm like anyone else.
Speaker 1: I will make excuses for guys that I like, like
Speaker 1: seke Won Barkley, uh that that there they should be
Speaker 1: more durable. But um, I couldn't do it, but you
Speaker 1: know it bit me. I think I was too low
Speaker 1: on Alan for a little bit. So this may be
Speaker 1: more of my personal whirlpool with Keenan Allen where I
Speaker 1: thought I was I overcorrected and dropped him too much,
Speaker 1: and now I'm maybe overcorrecting the other way. So maybe
Speaker 1: I'll move Keenan Allen down a little bit. Fits you've
Speaker 1: convinced me on that juju. I just watched him too much,
Speaker 1: and I know how talented the guy is, and he
Speaker 1: played with terrible quarterbacks last season Ben Roethlisberger the worst
Speaker 1: PFF quarterback in the league. The year before that, Mason
Speaker 1: Rudolph for part of the year and then Duck Hodges
Speaker 1: for part of the year after you know, Ben went down,
Speaker 1: and then the year before that he was a little
Speaker 1: banged up. So it's been three rough seasons in a row.
Speaker 1: So I get being low on him. But the town
Speaker 1: is still there. And he's still like nine years old
Speaker 1: because he came in the league league at five years old.
Speaker 1: He is twenty five, right, so born in ninety six,
Speaker 1: so he did come in the league at like twenty
Speaker 1: So the guy is still very young. Chark, I think
Speaker 1: it's sounded, but just look at the guys that he's
Speaker 1: played with, right, it hasn't been a great set of
Speaker 1: quarterbacks in Jacksonville. And I do think that getting Urban
Speaker 1: Meyer out of there, should he go back. He's an
Speaker 1: understricted free agent this year, so should he go back
Speaker 1: to Jacksonville, because I mean, they got a lot of money.
Speaker 1: They can drop a whole bag on him if they
Speaker 1: want to. I think that he'll he'll play much better
Speaker 1: with Trevor Lawrence in a different style of offense. And
Speaker 1: then Adam Feeland. I mean, we keep waiting for the
Speaker 1: cliff to fall off, but thirty two, he's you know,
Speaker 1: scored thirty nine touchdowns in his last four seasons. So
Speaker 1: the touchdowns they're just there, you know. So he's gonna
Speaker 1: have to like be out there with a walker to
Speaker 1: not score a touchdown or something. So that's why I
Speaker 1: still have him as a you know, wide receiver four here.
Speaker 1: So Danny, your thoughts between Alan, Juju Shark and Feeling. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I agree with you guys on Alan. I think you know,
Speaker 1: the role and the style of like the way that
Speaker 1: they deploy him in that offense. It's not super like
Speaker 1: valuable necessarily. I think he's a really good player, probably
Speaker 1: one of the best route unners in the game. But
Speaker 1: you know, even being paired with with Herbert, it doesn't
Speaker 1: feel I'm not all that optimistic about it still. So
Speaker 1: he's he's a guy that I'm probably trying to like
Speaker 1: sell in my fantasy leagues. You know, I don't know
Speaker 1: what you can get from at this point. And i'd
Speaker 1: say the same about I don't feel him, but you
Speaker 1: can't get rid of like people don't want to trade. Yeah,
Speaker 1: feel you can't give him away, which sucks probably a
Speaker 1: lot in a lot of leagues. It looks like he's
Speaker 1: gonna score ten touchdowns. That's his average of the last
Speaker 1: four years. So yeah, so i'd say, keenan Allen if
Speaker 1: you can sell someone on the fact that he's paired
Speaker 1: with Herbert for thanks few years, and that's like good
Speaker 1: for you. Don't if you if you're an any of
Speaker 1: my fantasy league's just like hopefully you don't hear this
Speaker 1: um and then feeling it to me as a hold
Speaker 1: because you can't give him away for anything that's worth
Speaker 1: given away because he's, like he said, he's gonna score
Speaker 1: ten touchdowns again. And then you're gonna be caught holding
Speaker 1: the bag. But um, you know, at the end of
Speaker 1: the day, I think he's more valuable on your roster
Speaker 1: than trying to like get like a third round or
Speaker 1: something you were because who's no, I don't know if
Speaker 1: anyone's gonna give up a second rounder for theealing at
Speaker 1: this point, maybe a late one in this you know,
Speaker 1: a shallow draft. But so that's kind of yeah for
Speaker 1: those two guys. And then I'm with you guys on
Speaker 1: like Schuster and Chark, I'm sort of like waiting c mode.
Speaker 1: I'm not buying at this point because I think if
Speaker 1: either lands in a bad situation, then you probably overpaid. Um,
Speaker 1: it is a gamble. But I think if if they
Speaker 1: if like Schuster, if Smith Schuster ends up in the
Speaker 1: Chiefs where they tried to sign him last season, then
Speaker 1: that's huge. That will make his valuable skyrocket. With Chark, um,
Speaker 1: I don't really know. I'm not sure what to believe honestly,
Speaker 1: because I thought I was like really bullish on him
Speaker 1: early on in his career. He looked really good. Um,
Speaker 1: but that's starting to feel more like an outlier season. Um.
Speaker 1: We've said this since college with this guy, yeah, bad
Speaker 1: quarterback play because he played at LSU before Burrow, right,
Speaker 1: and they had bad QB play there, and then he
Speaker 1: goes to Jacksonville, it's got bad QB. Well, how much
Speaker 1: of it is bad QB play and how much of
Speaker 1: it is He's just not as good as we think.
Speaker 1: So I understand that thought process for sure. So he's
Speaker 1: not a guy I'm buying necessarily. I'm probably just holding
Speaker 1: on to him and hoping that he lands somewhere really
Speaker 1: fun and see what happens there. So yeah, that's how
Speaker 1: I feel about those guys, like he announced me is
Speaker 1: a cell just because of the role, and you can
Speaker 1: probably still get something from him because of the name value,
Speaker 1: and then dealing to me, it is just a hole
Speaker 1: because no one wants to buy him at this point.
Speaker 1: A couple other guys here. I'll just burn through these guys,
Speaker 1: and Danny, you can just say where you're you're at
Speaker 1: on them. We're both on Curtis Samuel pat has him
Speaker 1: been sixty nine? I have been seventy two fifty seven?
Speaker 1: Is his ECR fits is way low? On OBJ. I mean,
Speaker 1: you got to bring him up from the eighties. I've
Speaker 1: got him in the fifties. His ECR is forty one.
Speaker 1: Did just blow out his knee in the Super Bowl,
Speaker 1: so he probably needs to be lower than the ECR.
Speaker 1: But I don't know if we need to absolutely bury
Speaker 1: him Hardman. I feel like Hardman and Gabe Davids have
Speaker 1: a lot of similarities, so I just want to see
Speaker 1: him get I mean, he was a developing wide receiver
Speaker 1: coming into the NFL, get a lot of a play
Speaker 1: at Georgia, so I'm just higher on his overall ceiling.
Speaker 1: I got him at fifty two. Pat has him at
Speaker 1: at eighty four. His ECR sixty seven. Sword in between Julio.
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm all the way out on Julio
Speaker 1: and I'm still higher than I have at fifty eight.
Speaker 1: He's sixty. Pat has him in the eighties, and then
Speaker 1: Anthony Schwartz can't teach the speed, so I'm in the sixties.
Speaker 1: But in ECR and for Fits, he's in the hundreds.
Speaker 1: So I understand that we'll get some better quarterback playing
Speaker 1: Cleveland too, So fits real quick your thought on any
Speaker 1: of these guys. I'm not totally down on Schwartz. I've
Speaker 1: got him on like two teams, so I probably should
Speaker 1: not have him in the hundreds, but um yeah, like
Speaker 1: I'm moving higher in your ranks, so you could sell
Speaker 1: him pack. Come on the Beckham thing, like I'm worried
Speaker 1: about now, like his twenty twenty two season, it's in jeopardy,
Speaker 1: and like, you know, this is a guy he was
Speaker 1: great with a suction cup hands. That's scoring touchdowns for
Speaker 1: Matthew Stafford. But like the yard the big yardage games
Speaker 1: or yeah, that's kind of it, like, uh, you know
Speaker 1: he's turning in the late career, Adam feeling, So the
Speaker 1: injury is a downer for sure, And like Curtis Samuel
Speaker 1: is a guy, I'm kind of at least keeping a
Speaker 1: candle in the window for him, just because like we've
Speaker 1: seen this shift to the hybrid usage of of guys
Speaker 1: like you know with with Deebo and um oh, why
Speaker 1: am I blanket on the name of the guy from
Speaker 1: Jacksonville before he got hurt? Um no, uh the little
Speaker 1: guy who oh yes, uh yeah, are you thinking of
Speaker 1: Percy Harvin? It was it was this n't no no anyway,
Speaker 1: So um I should have brought that utin. No, not
Speaker 1: even Tavon. It was Uh, we'll figure out. I'll figure
Speaker 1: I know the listeners right now, like some of the
Speaker 1: ones who have their did their radio exactly. So it
Speaker 1: feels like to be a ghost. That I stole that
Speaker 1: from a Twitter. It's like the closest you can feel
Speaker 1: to being a ghost is when you're trying to yell
Speaker 1: at someone on a on a podcast or something that
Speaker 1: they can't figure out. Yeah. So like the fact that
Speaker 1: Samuel had uh you know in twenty twenty, Yeah, like
Speaker 1: over eight hundred receiving yards and two hundred rushing yards
Speaker 1: and like I think, you know, five or six combined touchdowns.
Speaker 1: So like put him in the right spot with the
Speaker 1: right quarterback and maybe that can work out. So like
Speaker 1: that's a guy i'd maybe be interested in, like kicking
Speaker 1: the tires on this offseason? Was it Jamal Agnew? It
Speaker 1: was Jamal A Knew? Yeah, but I think you guys didn't.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah I didn't hear that. Yeah, Yeah, that was
Speaker 1: gonna dam me crazy. Like I was just talking about
Speaker 1: him on a show last week to man, I'm an
Speaker 1: old man. Sorry, Danny, your thoughts on the guy just
Speaker 1: once again burned through them. The guys that I just mentioned,
Speaker 1: Chris samuel O, b J, Nicole Hardman, Julio and Anthony Schwartz. Um,
Speaker 1: I'm still also holding the candle for Samuel. I think
Speaker 1: obviously he's not a guy that anyone's looking to like
Speaker 1: trade four right now, and you probably not can be
Speaker 1: able to get anything. What he's like a potential is
Speaker 1: worth right now. Um, But like there was a couple
Speaker 1: of years ago, you know, like they he was actually
Speaker 1: posting solid numbers at least encouraging numbers for what his
Speaker 1: athleticism and his style of usage could be. Um. I
Speaker 1: don't think he's going to turn into debo, but I
Speaker 1: think he could be someone useful going forward if he
Speaker 1: can be healthy. I think the Hardman thing is tough
Speaker 1: because I agree, I agree with you that he has
Speaker 1: shown potential, and then he was always going to be
Speaker 1: a raw prospect coming in, Like he barely played receiver
Speaker 1: before he was drafted from There are times where he
Speaker 1: looks like the fastest person in the world. Like there's
Speaker 1: times where like when he hits the gas, he's the
Speaker 1: fastest player on the field touchdown against Yeah, yeah, So
Speaker 1: it's like crazy how fast he is. However, I feel
Speaker 1: like I've seen enough that I definitely like side on,
Speaker 1: like the low end for Hardman. I'm not really just
Speaker 1: like they just ended up playing like Pringle and stuff
Speaker 1: above him last year. I'm just not super optimistic that
Speaker 1: he's ever gonna put it together. The traits are there,
Speaker 1: but I just don't know. It's like a hard position
Speaker 1: to learn once you get to the NFL. And I
Speaker 1: think at this point the Chiefs are sort of like
Speaker 1: running out of patience with him. But we'll see. There's
Speaker 1: always a chance. Schwartz is a guy. Didn't he have
Speaker 1: in like Week one he had like double Dishit just
Speaker 1: like who is, Like where did this come from? I
Speaker 1: was expecting him to like sit on the bench all year,
Speaker 1: and I'm like that I've got I've got a couple
Speaker 1: of shares of him just because of the speed thing,
Speaker 1: Like you know, hopefully that like that's one trait that
Speaker 1: he has that no one else can. You can't teach
Speaker 1: that kind of speA his world class speed, So I'm
Speaker 1: hoping that will pay off. And obviously with um it
Speaker 1: looks sounds like Jarvis Landry is trying to get out
Speaker 1: of Cleveland, or at least that's how it looks right now.
Speaker 1: Obviously Odell Beckham's gone. I don't know if Don had
Speaker 1: been People's Jones is necessarily like an alpha type guy,
Speaker 1: so there's this chance that he could just inherit a
Speaker 1: pretty good role in this offense, and you know, this
Speaker 1: offense improves and sort of put things together again, then
Speaker 1: that could be interesting. So he's the guy that I'm
Speaker 1: definitely holding on too in a couple of weeks, hoping
Speaker 1: for the best, But I don't have high hopes necessarily
Speaker 1: for him or hart Myth's point. Yeah, and week one
Speaker 1: it was five targets, three catches for sixty nine yards,
Speaker 1: which was his best receiving game of the year. But
Speaker 1: I mean he did nothing after that yet. He didn't
Speaker 1: do anything, but he did return kick some punts, and
Speaker 1: he had against the Chargers, he had five for one
Speaker 1: hundred and ninety and fifty four yards against the Cardinals.
Speaker 1: He had four returns for seventy yards against New England.
Speaker 1: So it's like, just get the bald in this dude's
Speaker 1: hands and you'll throw him a damn screen pass a
Speaker 1: little We're un with it. He's fast, so hopefully Cleveland
Speaker 1: will wise up and get him a little more use.
Speaker 1: Now before we go, we of course have to talk
Speaker 1: about this rookie crop here, Danny and you were riding
Speaker 1: the draft guide over at the Ringer, of course. So
Speaker 1: I I feel like there is seven wide receivers at
Speaker 1: the very top of this class, and then the second
Speaker 1: group is still really good, like borderline first round picks
Speaker 1: in a lot of drafts, but they're gonna go day two,
Speaker 1: day three just because the top seven or so awesome.
Speaker 1: So do you have a tier when you're looking at
Speaker 1: this class? Do you think it's the top seven or
Speaker 1: is there a shorter tier group for you? And then
Speaker 1: the secondary group is also great, So I mean, where
Speaker 1: do you even start with this rookie class? So, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's tough right now. If I if I'm being completely honest,
Speaker 1: I feel like Traylon Burks is in his own tier. Okay,
Speaker 1: he's my number one two, And I think that's like
Speaker 1: if you miss on Burkes, and you're probably gonna because
Speaker 1: he's gonna be like most dressed first player picked, or
Speaker 1: at least the first two picked. If you miss on him,
Speaker 1: then it becomes a little more difficult because I think
Speaker 1: like Garrett Wilson, Drake London, you know, Jamison Williams, a
Speaker 1: lave dots and and then who did you have for
Speaker 1: your seventh guy? David Bell? Uh? Oh met you? Okay? Um,
Speaker 1: because I would like throw in George Pickens, David Bell,
Speaker 1: Justin Rocks. There's a whole bunch of guys. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: so good. This class is so good. So I would
Speaker 1: probably say that Burks is in his own tier, and
Speaker 1: then you've got a tier with Wilson London, Williams Olave
Speaker 1: okay um, So that would be like kind of how
Speaker 1: I do it, and then from there it's anybody's guess
Speaker 1: what you like. Because obviously I think like John Dotson, Um,
Speaker 1: he reminded me a lot of Deontay Johnson with better hands. Um,
Speaker 1: David Bell is kind of like a Tiler BOYD type guy,
Speaker 1: not like receivers have better hands at Deontay by the way,
Speaker 1: speaking as a Steelers fan, so yeah, you know, yep. Um,
Speaker 1: So that would be kind of how I rank it.
Speaker 1: Burkes and then in his own tier, and then like
Speaker 1: then you could really get into the nitty gritty with
Speaker 1: like whether you're like Wilson, Drake London and Jamison Williams. Again,
Speaker 1: they're all three different, like wildly different style receivers, so
Speaker 1: just kind of depends on what you're looking for, so Pat,
Speaker 1: and I know you have wide receivers in your rankings
Speaker 1: for the dynasty as well, which why I didn't want
Speaker 1: to go too crazy deep after ten because I think
Speaker 1: you dropped Brooks in there like seventeen as a high
Speaker 1: wide receiver two and you have some other guys in
Speaker 1: there as well, So when you were looking at this
Speaker 1: class and putting them in there already, I mean, the
Speaker 1: top end is so good, right, it is, and there's
Speaker 1: there's depth beyond that. Like I hadn't really seen too
Speaker 1: much film of like sky More and it was catching
Speaker 1: some hid the other day and it like got pretty
Speaker 1: excited about him, Like Pickens is really fascinating because like
Speaker 1: we haven't seen the best of him for a while.
Speaker 1: But like I feel like the top end for Pickins
Speaker 1: could be like, you know, possible, like first round pick. Yeah. Good. So,
Speaker 1: like I think if he would have played, he would
Speaker 1: have been in that top group with that, I think
Speaker 1: the thing keeping him out is probably non athletic things,
Speaker 1: things like you know, getting suspended and missing games and
Speaker 1: things like that. That's what's going to keep him out
Speaker 1: of that tier. I think. Yeah, And like he is
Speaker 1: a dude who's gonna fall into the second round in
Speaker 1: super flex rookie drafts and like could be a multi
Speaker 1: year thousand yard receiver. Um. So like Jahan Dots and
Speaker 1: I'm a big fan of Like, I just love everything
Speaker 1: about that guy's game. And you know, as a Wisconsin
Speaker 1: Badger fan, I sometimes see things through the prism of
Speaker 1: their games and like Dots and just murdered us this
Speaker 1: past fall, so well, he looks different. That's a thing.
Speaker 1: It's like when you're watching and you can see it
Speaker 1: at every level, right Uh, specifically at high school when
Speaker 1: you see there's just a grown man who's probably gonna
Speaker 1: be playing very high Division one or in the NFL,
Speaker 1: versus these kids that are you know, going to be
Speaker 1: security guards and whatever. Uh, you're just running right past them.
Speaker 1: It's it's a different level of person. And that's one
Speaker 1: of the that's why I put Dotson because in terms
Speaker 1: of size and production, I don't know that he's like
Speaker 1: these are the seven, But in terms of speed and
Speaker 1: you see him on the field, he's just a different
Speaker 1: human being. So I'm absolutely with you on Dotson. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And just like the last thing I'll say is like
Speaker 1: after last year, like pretty good class, but it was
Speaker 1: a lot of smurfs and this year we have some
Speaker 1: we have some brutes. We've got some big boys in
Speaker 1: this class with Burkes and Drake London. Like we've got
Speaker 1: some size in this this year's class. Yeah, Danny, is
Speaker 1: there any Is there a guy kind of down the
Speaker 1: list that people aren't talking about yet that you want
Speaker 1: to see? You get a little love here. Well, the
Speaker 1: guy that kind of stands out to me that is
Speaker 1: going to be a good value. And you you mentioned
Speaker 1: it with Pickens in the second round of super flex drafts.
Speaker 1: I think like Justin Ross is going to be right
Speaker 1: there in the middle or late second round of super
Speaker 1: flex drafts, maybe later. I don't really know exactly how
Speaker 1: it's going to go, but um, he looks like a
Speaker 1: guy that could be a really good value the same
Speaker 1: deal he's he's a bigger player and more of like
Speaker 1: an Alpha X type type receiver. Not going to be
Speaker 1: tons of separation and things like that. But like the
Speaker 1: guy obviously when he was a freshman true freshman went
Speaker 1: completely off. Um, I want to see him get paired
Speaker 1: up again in the on the Jags with Lawrence because
Speaker 1: that would be a lot of fun. But um, you know,
Speaker 1: he's a guy that obviously had injury that almost cost
Speaker 1: him his career, and then he came back and wasn't
Speaker 1: quite as good. I think there was a foot injury
Speaker 1: to that affected his play. The offense for Clemson was terrible.
Speaker 1: So he's like fallen off the radar for sure, But
Speaker 1: I know that coming off of his freshman sophomore seasons,
Speaker 1: like people probably were thinking he was going to be
Speaker 1: the wide receiver one in this class and so um,
Speaker 1: to me, he looks like a really good value potentially, um,
Speaker 1: if he can get back to that that level that
Speaker 1: we saw early in his in his college career, because
Speaker 1: you know that's the type of player he's like, Um,
Speaker 1: you know that could score double digit touchdowns in the NFL.
Speaker 1: So I don't know if that's just going to come
Speaker 1: to pass, but I do think he has that that underrated,
Speaker 1: sneaky sort of like value there. I think the combine
Speaker 1: is going to be enormous for Ross for many reasons.
Speaker 1: Is forty time because like you mentioned, his big body kid,
Speaker 1: he's he thrives on making a fifty fifty ball and
Speaker 1: eighty twenty ball, like that's his game. But it's gonna
Speaker 1: be that spinal fusion thing because and look it almost
Speaker 1: cost him in his career. They did the surgery, they
Speaker 1: said it went perfect and allowed him to play in college.
Speaker 1: So you gotta think, all right, he's gonna be fine.
Speaker 1: But teams get deep in these medicals. They're gonna do
Speaker 1: crazy X rays and MRIs and wow all that stuff.
Speaker 1: So uh, you know, he may come out moving down
Speaker 1: in the process just for no reason of his own,
Speaker 1: just because of the medicals from the combine. So that
Speaker 1: but I think you're absolutely right. If he gets cleared
Speaker 1: from that, is gonna shoot up board because you can't
Speaker 1: teach that size. A couple of guys that I want
Speaker 1: to mention before we quit talk about the rookies here,
Speaker 1: Jayleen Tilbert just apply one of my favorites out of
Speaker 1: South Alabama, and I think the more people watch on him,
Speaker 1: the more you're gonna see him. He plays like a
Speaker 1: center fielder right throwing the ball deep, he'll go up
Speaker 1: and get it, he'll track it, he'll you know, put
Speaker 1: his hands out to grab it on like Deante, so
Speaker 1: you know he will go get it. So I'm excited
Speaker 1: about him and Wandale Robinson from Kentucky transferred from Nebraska,
Speaker 1: a running back, wide receiver, combo type player. Everything we
Speaker 1: all wanted out of Curtis Samuel Wandale Robinson is gonna do.
Speaker 1: So that. I'm very very excited about Wandelle Robinson. But
Speaker 1: anything else on the rookie class here, Danny or any
Speaker 1: other wide receivers that we didn't talk about that you
Speaker 1: want to mention here either because you know you're all
Speaker 1: in or you're all out. Anything else on white outs
Speaker 1: we didn't. I don't know if we talked much about
Speaker 1: David Bell, but I think he's another guy that's just
Speaker 1: really solid, Like analytically, he's like the production. Um, he's
Speaker 1: an interesting guy, I think. And then I liked your
Speaker 1: wan Dale Robinson throw out there because he's he's an
Speaker 1: electric player, fun to watch. Worried about worried about his
Speaker 1: size a little bit, like you know, there's some thinking
Speaker 1: that he's potentially like five foot seven, so that could
Speaker 1: be that could be something that that maybe makes me
Speaker 1: push him down a little bit. But I love the
Speaker 1: skill set and the playmaking and the versatility and all that.
Speaker 1: Pat Before we go here, any more rookies that that
Speaker 1: you have been diving in on that you want to mention,
Speaker 1: or any other wide receivers that we didn't mention here. Ye,
Speaker 1: don't bring up David Bell with Iowa fans. They're gonna
Speaker 1: get upset if you asked them about that. But um yeah,
Speaker 1: Like I'm I'm really intrigued by him, and uh, you know,
Speaker 1: I kind of want to see what he does at
Speaker 1: the combine because I like, I feel like I don't
Speaker 1: know where he's going to go in the draft. Is
Speaker 1: he Is he a Day two guys? I think he's
Speaker 1: a Day two guy, but like, um yeah, like he
Speaker 1: would be a really interesting guy if he if he
Speaker 1: goes somewhere and that's a good fit with a top quarterback.
Speaker 1: He reminds me a lot of Tyler Johnson because Tyler
Speaker 1: Johnson like production wise, elite, you know, and analytically speaking,
Speaker 1: like the Dynasty community was all over him because he
Speaker 1: had early production in his career and he's like a
Speaker 1: jump ball, go up and get it, really reliable type guy.
Speaker 1: And then he goes in the fourth and fifth round
Speaker 1: and the NFL more or less is just like not
Speaker 1: into him as a player. He didn't get invited to
Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl, or I think did he go to Combine,
Speaker 1: I can't remember whatever. The NFL didn't really like him,
Speaker 1: and so I'm curious to Combine that year. Oh that's right, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it was it two years. I thought, wasn't he there
Speaker 1: and he didn't work out or something like that, and
Speaker 1: he like he chose not to work out. That might
Speaker 1: be it. Yeah, and maybe he Um, maybe that was
Speaker 1: part of the reason the IFOL didn't like him, because
Speaker 1: there was like a personal a shoe or whatever. But
Speaker 1: I could see that this having happening with Bell a
Speaker 1: little bit, where he's not um sudden, you know, he's
Speaker 1: not super explosive or electric as a runner like athletically,
Speaker 1: but he's just like a good player. Um. So I'm
Speaker 1: curious if he will fall Like I really don't know,
Speaker 1: you know, it's one of those things where I wouldn't
Speaker 1: surprise me terribly if he was the Aman Ross Saint
Speaker 1: Brown of this class and fell into the fourth round
Speaker 1: and then turned out to be a really good player
Speaker 1: kind of deal. Um. In fact, I think I may
Speaker 1: have Compton Tom Raw just like similar good like top
Speaker 1: style of player where you're like, you look at the tape,
Speaker 1: he's like nothing really wows you. But he's just making
Speaker 1: tons and tons of catches constantly, you know. Um, so
Speaker 1: that could be like I think maybe sort of My
Speaker 1: like bolt take is like he might turn out to
Speaker 1: be the Alman ros Saint Brown type guy of this class. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I like that. Yeah, David Bell definitely gonna be a
Speaker 1: fun player watch. This class is so good. I mean, here,
Speaker 1: Kyle Phillips, I mean we haven't even like gotten to it.
Speaker 1: We didn't even scratch the surface of this class. So
Speaker 1: we will definitely come back to it before the draft happens,
Speaker 1: for sure. So be sure you're sticking with us, and Danny,
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Speaker 1: Draft Show for the next couple of months until the draft,
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Speaker 1: Football Show feed. So it's a little bit confusing, but
Speaker 1: it is currently the NFL Draft Show just for the
Speaker 1: draft season, then we're gonna do it al so, um
Speaker 1: check that out. And then obviously the NFL the Ringer
Speaker 1: NFL Draft Guide. Um, yeah, that's it all right, Fits
Speaker 1: at Fits, Underscore f F going to be heading to
Speaker 1: my old stomping grounds this next week in Arizona. So
Speaker 1: what is coming up for you, my friend? Yeah, that's it.
Speaker 1: Get out of the snow. We're getting five inches in
Speaker 1: Chicago today, I think. So. Um that's about it, just
Speaker 1: you know, moving dk Metcalf up my Dynasty rankings and
Speaker 1: other than that, just kind of chilling out all right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And for me at Bogman Sports on the Twitter, I'll
Speaker 1: be having a mock draft coming out in the middle
Speaker 1: of March. That's going to be a three rounder four
Speaker 1: Fantasy Pros of course, and you can check out all
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Speaker 1: will see you guys next week. Have a great week everybody.
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