Speaker 1: Welcome back, everybody. It's a Dynasty Fantasy football podcast on
Speaker 1: Fantasy Pros. I'm your host, Scott Bagman. Follow me on
Speaker 1: the Twitter at Bogman Sports. I'm joined as always by
Speaker 1: Pat Fitzmorris at fits Underscore FF on the Twitter Machine.
Speaker 1: And today we're gonna be talking about some Dynasty ADP's
Speaker 1: risers and followers. We're gonna get a little discussion in
Speaker 1: terms of trades on the back end as well. But uh,
Speaker 1: FITZI house the offse's in treating.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 1: Are you doing well pretty well?
Speaker 2: Bogs?
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I'm not used to reacting to NFL news.
Speaker 3: And then this morning as we record this, Dalvin Cook, Yeah,
Speaker 3: I got worthy. He's going to be released, maybe not
Speaker 3: officially released, so that'll be interesting see where he lands,
Speaker 3: you know, see what it does for Alexander Madison Stock.
Speaker 3: I wonder if he'll bump bump it into like, you know,
Speaker 3: mid range running back too.
Speaker 1: We'll be talking about him pretty soon, we know that
Speaker 1: because he's gonna bump way up.
Speaker 2: Yeah man.
Speaker 3: And uh, you know, I think I still have a
Speaker 3: shareff Kenn Wang Wou in one Dynasty league, So come on,
Speaker 3: my ship is gonna come you think it's gonna be
Speaker 3: chan who if you had to throw one, uh, you know,
Speaker 3: one chip down on Chandler Wang Wu or U McBride
Speaker 3: the rookie.
Speaker 1: Uh Chandler from me. Chandler, I like him a lot
Speaker 1: coming out of UNC last year. I was upset that
Speaker 1: he went to Minnesota because I was like, well, Cook's
Speaker 1: gonna be gone next year. But they're just gonna put
Speaker 1: Madison in. So Chandler's still gonna be behind. But uh
Speaker 1: iguanao was draft drafted by the previous regime, That's why.
Speaker 1: But he's a great special teamer, like so sticking on
Speaker 1: the team. I think he'll stay. But I don't know, man.
Speaker 1: I think ty Chandler is a much better runner. And then,
Speaker 1: like you said, they took McBride, so it's hard to
Speaker 1: know who's gonna make it.
Speaker 3: And it's interesting, man, It's gonna make Vikings preseason games
Speaker 3: kind of interesting. And like wang Wo, I know it
Speaker 3: was the previous regime. I know it's mostly done special
Speaker 3: teams contributions. But the few times that dude has gotten
Speaker 3: the ball looks like he's been shot out of a cannon.
Speaker 2: Like that dude has got some speed.
Speaker 1: He's fast, Yeah, he's got some zip for sure, and
Speaker 1: he was behind, you know, David Montgomery at Iowa State,
Speaker 1: so you know, tough to get on the field with
Speaker 1: a guy like that in front of you, for sure.
Speaker 1: So a lot of good performers here, and like you said,
Speaker 1: you know, it seems like the Vikings have some stuff too,
Speaker 1: because I heard Danil Hunter might be on the move
Speaker 1: as well. So but look, we'd rather have release news
Speaker 1: and injury news. No injury news yet not not anything
Speaker 1: huge at least on the offensive side, so we like that.
Speaker 1: But like I said, today, we're going to talk about
Speaker 1: some risers and followers, So let's start with the risers.
Speaker 1: And we wanted to take a look from the overall
Speaker 1: super Flex rankings, right, so just tell me where you
Speaker 1: got the numbers fits, so we know like the source
Speaker 1: of them here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we are getting this from our friends at DLF
Speaker 3: Dynasty League Football, Ryan McDowell, Eric Dickens and friends. Great guys,
Speaker 3: good websites, and they track startup Dynasty ADP both in
Speaker 3: one quarterback leagues and super Flex.
Speaker 2: For the purposes of this show, we're going to be using.
Speaker 3: Superflex and we're mostly looking at changes from February of
Speaker 3: twenty twenty three to June of twenty twenty three, so
Speaker 3: basically what the offseason has wrought as far as changes
Speaker 3: to the market.
Speaker 1: All right, so let's take a look at the first
Speaker 1: riser here. Garrett Wilson, who turns twenty three in July
Speaker 1: twenty four and a half was his ADP overall in February,
Speaker 1: down to sixteen point six in June seventeenth overall is
Speaker 1: his ECR in six among wide receivers. He's just behind
Speaker 1: ceedeelamb Ag Brown, Jayleen Wattle, just above Amano, Saint Brown,
Speaker 1: Chriso Lobby, Tyreek Hill. This is all Aaron Rodgers, right, fits.
Speaker 1: I mean, Aaron Rodgers officially being moved to the Jets
Speaker 1: should improve you know, that's the old you know, raising
Speaker 1: tide raises all ships, Howard said, you know, raising water
Speaker 1: raises all ships out. Whatever the cliche I'm butchering here is,
Speaker 1: but that should be all receiving options for the Jets.
Speaker 2: Correct, Rising tide lifts all boats.
Speaker 1: That's it. That's no thank you.
Speaker 2: I do think this is the Aaron Rodgers effect.
Speaker 3: And yeah, like the funny thing is I mean Garrett Wilson,
Speaker 3: after what he showed us last year. I think should
Speaker 3: have been considered like a foundational dynasty piece anyway, Like
Speaker 3: twenty four was probably too low for him in the
Speaker 3: February startup, ADP, I mean, don't you think sixteen is
Speaker 3: pretty reasonable if you were drafting it from the one
Speaker 3: oh nine in this startup? Are you feeling pretty good
Speaker 3: about getting Garrett Wilson in the second round?
Speaker 1: Yes, I mean my rankings are a little different just
Speaker 1: because I'm so QB heavy in a super flex, but yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean this is the range where he needs to go, right,
Speaker 1: and I have him a little lower in the overall
Speaker 1: because I have some ancients ahead of him. I do
Speaker 1: have like Cooper Cup and Stefan Diggs ahead of him,
Speaker 1: even though he's seven years younger than them, just because
Speaker 1: those guys have done it for multiple seasons, right, and
Speaker 1: I'm you know me, I'm a win now guy. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean this is this is definitely the range of
Speaker 1: wide receivers you will be picking him out of for sure.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I mean, like I think, yeah, Cooper Cup
Speaker 3: and Tyreek Hill are probably gonna put up better twenty
Speaker 3: twenty three numbers than Garrett Wilson will.
Speaker 2: But I don't know if they're gonna be that much
Speaker 2: better bogs.
Speaker 3: And you know he has got a long runway for
Speaker 3: his career right now, like it's all in front of him.
Speaker 2: Really excited about what we've seen so far. So yeah,
Speaker 2: one O nine.
Speaker 3: If you start me with like Trevor Lawrence, the one
Speaker 3: of the guys toward the bottom of that QB range,
Speaker 3: and then yes, now I'm left in the second round
Speaker 3: to go at another position since the value kind of
Speaker 3: tends not to be there early in the second round
Speaker 3: of Super Flex Dynasty startups, and Garret Wilson would be
Speaker 3: a guy be happy to hang my hat on.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And you know, just looking at the numbers from
Speaker 1: last year, you expect everything to come up. You know,
Speaker 1: eighty three catches, eleven hundred and three yards and four
Speaker 1: touchdowns and that's on one hundred and forty seven targets
Speaker 1: in twelve starts. He didn't start the first five games
Speaker 1: I believe of his career, so I mean, and that
Speaker 1: was with the likes of Zach Wilson and Mike White
Speaker 1: and all those guys. So we expect him to perform
Speaker 1: better with Aaron Rodgers, who can throw it in the
Speaker 1: tea cup. We like that. DeVante Smith. Second guy in
Speaker 1: this list here Fitsie turning twenty four this season. Forty
Speaker 1: one point six was his overall ADP and super flex
Speaker 1: strafts in February, down to thirty five point four in June.
Speaker 1: It was fifty seven in December, So this guy has
Speaker 1: seen a steady climb all the way through the offseason.
Speaker 1: DeVante Smith is just behind in ECR thirty first overall,
Speaker 1: twelfth among wide receivers, just behind Tyreek Hill, T Higgins,
Speaker 1: Steph Diggs, just ahead of Drake London, DK Metcalf and
Speaker 1: Cooper Cup. This one, this one, to me, it's weird
Speaker 1: that DeVante Smith rises. There is not like a corresponding
Speaker 1: move that this is a reaction to. I mean, last
Speaker 1: year played in seventeen games, one hundred and four targets
Speaker 1: or excuse me, one hundred and thirty six targets, ninety
Speaker 1: five catches, eleven ninety six yards, and seven touchdowns. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think that's a pretty good baseline if that's what
Speaker 1: you want to I don't know if we can expect
Speaker 1: much improvement, but that's a great line. So yes, a
Speaker 1: little bit behind Garrett Wilson. He is the number two
Speaker 1: behind AJ Brown on his own team, but Swift is gone.
Speaker 1: You know they are gonna They're probably gonna Taylor back
Speaker 1: Hurts running a little more so a couple more passes,
Speaker 1: So maybe a slide improvement. But I think this is
Speaker 1: what you want to expect from Devonte correct.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is.
Speaker 3: Thirty five seem a lot right to you, Box because
Speaker 3: for me, like I, maybe the situation isn't ideal with
Speaker 3: him being the number two wide receiver technically behind AJ Brown,
Speaker 3: although I don't think it's necessarily like, uh, you know,
Speaker 3: a huge gap between the two of them, and the
Speaker 3: fact that the Eagles are kind of a running team,
Speaker 3: They're certainly not going to be thrust into many situations
Speaker 3: this year where they're gonna have to play catch up
Speaker 3: where they fall deep into holes. I mean, they're just
Speaker 3: this team is stacked offensively and defensively. But man, DeVante
Speaker 3: Smith is just so good. And I mean this guy
Speaker 3: like moves differently than most of the guys in the NFL.
Speaker 1: And yeah, he is a.
Speaker 3: Guy that if I were an NFL cornerback, Like, if
Speaker 3: I knew I was going to be facing this guy,
Speaker 3: I would not sleep well that week because this guy
Speaker 3: is tough to hang with.
Speaker 1: Man the slim Reaper, that's what they call him, and
Speaker 1: I mean he definitely deserves it. Nineteenth and receiving great
Speaker 1: on PFF ninth in yards after catch, thirty fourth in
Speaker 1: yards per route run, one hundred and forty second in
Speaker 1: a dot is pretty is pretty substantial because he's catching
Speaker 1: those short passes and then going with them. That's why
Speaker 1: his y ACT numbers are so high as well. So
Speaker 1: a guy that you know doesn't have to rely on
Speaker 1: getting deep for production. He does the production himself. So
Speaker 1: kind of doesn't really matter what kind of quarterback you
Speaker 1: have as long as the ball is coming at him
Speaker 1: and it will be. They didn't add any help in
Speaker 1: the draft at that position, didn't go after you know.
Speaker 1: It doesn't seem like they're going after Hopkins. Doesn't seem
Speaker 1: like they're pulling in a new name or anything. So
Speaker 1: I think we could expect more with you know, a
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Speaker 1: player that we have up is Tony Pollard, obviously getting
Speaker 1: the big bump from the Cowboys not making a giant
Speaker 1: splash in the draft. They didn't go out in free
Speaker 1: agency and sign anybody else yet right now, So it's
Speaker 1: Tony Pollard and then Malik Davis as his backup. He's
Speaker 1: risen from seventy one point one in February to fifty
Speaker 1: six point four in June. But as ECR is higher,
Speaker 1: way higher than both those thirtieth overall, tenth among rbs,
Speaker 1: just behind etn Jacobs and Walker, just ahead of Eckler,
Speaker 1: Nazi and Stevenson. This dude was fourth and run grade
Speaker 1: last year, second in YAK, fifteenth in misstackles forced fifth
Speaker 1: and breakaway yards eighth and receiving grade among running backs.
Speaker 1: Tony Pollard is a talented back. The only question we
Speaker 1: have about him moving forward, I feel like fits is
Speaker 1: can he handle the workload all by himself because we
Speaker 1: haven't seen him do it.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So Pollard has never had two hundred carries in a season,
Speaker 3: and he's never had even forty catches in a season.
Speaker 3: So I'm a little worried about it. Like I don't
Speaker 3: think I would be comfortable investing at him at this price.
Speaker 3: Like I've got him, and you know, my most important
Speaker 3: dynasty league, I've got Pollar, but the startup for that
Speaker 3: was in twenty twenty, and I got Pollared like in
Speaker 3: the low one hundreds. You know, like that was maybe
Speaker 3: in the double digit rounds, the ninth round something like that.
Speaker 2: I'm worried that they're going to add someone else.
Speaker 3: I think that's a possibility that they re sign Zeke
Speaker 3: or bringing Hundard Fournette or signed Kareem Haunts or someone
Speaker 3: like that.
Speaker 1: I thought he should to be honest, I don't want
Speaker 1: lak Davis being my second RB.
Speaker 2: Yeah, team and bugs.
Speaker 3: You and I were talking about this backstage before the show,
Speaker 3: in terms of Naji Harris versus Jalen Warren and how
Speaker 3: our boy Derek Brown Debro, you know, like likes to
Speaker 3: talk up Jalen Warren and thinks he might be better
Speaker 3: than Nase. But we were talking about how Nase is
Speaker 3: like the starting pitcher who has to pace himself and
Speaker 3: throw a hundred pitches, whereas you know, it's different with
Speaker 3: the relief back Jalen Warren, who can come in with
Speaker 3: his hair on fire and you know, throw one hundred
Speaker 3: miles an hour for eighteen pitches. Mixing my sports metaphors
Speaker 3: here obviously, but like, I just wonder if Pollard does
Speaker 3: get a bump in workload, if he's still going to
Speaker 3: average above five yards per carry, you know, his career
Speaker 3: average is five point one. If he's still going to
Speaker 3: be so efficient as a pass catcher, like I think
Speaker 3: with the increased workload, we'd see a little bit of
Speaker 3: a dip it inefficiency and uh, you know, obviously it
Speaker 3: ramps up the risk for injury.
Speaker 1: Yeah. You know, it's interesting with Pollard because you know,
Speaker 1: in a startup draft, he's he's tougher to draft in
Speaker 1: some other guys that we've just seen do it before,
Speaker 1: you know, because it's really you know, you're playing, you're
Speaker 1: buying him at cost, and it's you're hoping for upside,
Speaker 1: you're expecting upside, you know. So I don't know. I
Speaker 1: think you're right. I think the ECR is a little
Speaker 1: rich for my taste. I think I like the ADP
Speaker 1: a little more. Get him in the fifties instead of
Speaker 1: around thirties. But I do I have very high among
Speaker 1: running backs as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, like, no question, I like the guy.
Speaker 3: But it's like, just because a guy is really good,
Speaker 3: you know, limited sample size doesn't automatically mean that he's
Speaker 3: going to be great with a big sample size.
Speaker 2: And yeah, you know that's my hang up here.
Speaker 1: I'm with you on it. The next guy up Calvin
Speaker 1: Ridley at who's turning twenty eight this year, obviously coming
Speaker 1: off the big suspension ninety four point five in February
Speaker 1: up to eighty three point three in June. He's seventy
Speaker 1: eight in ECR overall, the thirty seventh wide receiver off
Speaker 1: the board, just behind Say Flowers, Christian Kirkhamari Cooper, just
Speaker 1: above Rashad Bateman, DeAndre Hopkins, and Mike Williams. So I've
Speaker 1: talked about Calvin Ridley a lot, super talented guy. I
Speaker 1: do question his love for football a little bit, just
Speaker 1: because of the issues that he had with the Falcons
Speaker 1: and then the suspension, you know, which probably was a
Speaker 1: little overboard. But I also agree that the NFL the
Speaker 1: only thing that can real the NFL's gambling, so they
Speaker 1: got to nip these things in the bud when they happen,
Speaker 1: so you got to make an example. Unfortunately for him,
Speaker 1: he was the first guy to get popped and made
Speaker 1: a big example of So I don't know what to
Speaker 1: expect to in Jacksonville fits. I mean, they still have
Speaker 1: Christian KIRKSA Jones was great last year, Evan Ingram was
Speaker 1: awesome among tight ends, and Travis Etn is expected to
Speaker 1: see more you know, pass attempts this year, and then
Speaker 1: you drop Calvin Ridley into it. So I think for me,
Speaker 1: it's like, well, look, Trevor Lawrence is gonna get way
Speaker 1: better this year, but I don't know if anybody surrounding
Speaker 1: him is. So I question Ridley moving up the board
Speaker 1: a decent amount here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, so this is a late seventh round
Speaker 3: startup DP ADP in super flex leagues, and like, I
Speaker 3: don't think it's that egregiously high. But you know, I
Speaker 3: think I maybe a little more put off by his
Speaker 3: aggressive ADP and redraft this year. Like I just I'm
Speaker 3: with you, Bogs. I mean, I do wonder about his
Speaker 3: commitments of football.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: You know, we we saw Deshaun Watson come back after
Speaker 3: a long layoff last year and have layers upon layers
Speaker 3: of rust, and maybe it's different for a quarterback who
Speaker 3: has more.
Speaker 2: To process than a wide receiver.
Speaker 3: But like, I don't know that Calvin Ridley automatically goes
Speaker 3: back to the guy he was in Atlanta, Like, right,
Speaker 3: I don't think that's a safe assumption. And he's twenty eight,
Speaker 3: so it's like he doesn't have that much more time
Speaker 3: before he's starting to hit the age cliff, or at
Speaker 3: least the point where a significant drop off becomes something
Speaker 3: you know, that wouldn't shock us. So I don't even
Speaker 3: know if he's their wide receiver one. I mean, Christian.
Speaker 1: Kirk Kirk could easily be the one. Yeah, and I
Speaker 1: wouldn't be shocked. And they was awesome. They was so
Speaker 1: much better more yeah, yeah, and they drafted Parker Washington
Speaker 1: and to Brenton Strange, Like you know, Trevor Lawrence is
Speaker 1: the guy getting the boost here. I don't know if
Speaker 1: Calvin Ridley should be getting this boost that he seems
Speaker 1: to be receiving. So I think I'm with you on
Speaker 1: that one. Anything else on Ridley, No, let's go to
Speaker 1: Jordan Love. Then this is an exciting one. Twenty four
Speaker 1: years old, one hundred and seventy four point nine ADP
Speaker 1: in February up to ninety eight point one in June.
Speaker 1: Obviously in a super flex, knowing that a Rod is
Speaker 1: gone and that he is going to get full, he's
Speaker 1: gonna get a crack at the starting job for Green
Speaker 1: Bay and see if he can do it. So you know,
Speaker 1: just ahead of you're just behind Aaron Rodgers, Trey Lance,
Speaker 1: Derek Carr, just above Mac Jones, Will Levis, Matthew Stafford.
Speaker 1: I feel like people are fairly reserved in what to
Speaker 1: expect from Jordan Love. I mean, a starting quarterback going
Speaker 1: around pick one hundred is very low. So I know
Speaker 1: you have earwormed me a little bit on Jordan Love
Speaker 1: with your your packers fandom him, and you know you
Speaker 1: not liking him as much as other people do. So
Speaker 1: I accept that, but it's you know, we were talking
Speaker 1: about this off air a little bit too fits. There's
Speaker 1: a difference between facing San Diego Aztecs at Utah State
Speaker 1: versus the Chicago Bears. Even when they're bad, they're still
Speaker 1: way better than San Diego State, So you know, it's
Speaker 1: it's a big jump. Luckily he's had some time to
Speaker 1: sit back, but what we've seen from him so far
Speaker 1: has been thoroughly unimpressive. So I don't know there's a
Speaker 1: lot of upside here, but he is definitely a gigantic risk.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: The one start that we saw in twenty twenty one
Speaker 3: when Aaron Rodgers at COVID, when Jordan Love had to
Speaker 3: make a start down in Kansas City not very good.
Speaker 3: He was under some duress in that game. He was
Speaker 3: getting pressured a lots, but you know, he just didn't
Speaker 3: look good in a game where the Packers defense actually
Speaker 3: kind of stifled Patrick Mahomes and it would have just
Speaker 3: taken like a couple of first down in a row,
Speaker 3: you know, keep a drive going and kick a few
Speaker 3: field goals and they could have won that game.
Speaker 2: But better last.
Speaker 3: Year when he came in in relief of Aaron Rodgers
Speaker 3: and a blowout loss to the Eagles. Granted, I think
Speaker 3: the Eagles were playing sort of softer coverage late in
Speaker 3: that game.
Speaker 2: I really don't have an issue with this price though.
Speaker 2: I mean, like, yeah, for.
Speaker 3: A young quarterback with some mobility, I don't think he's
Speaker 3: really a true Konami quarterback, but he's gonna add a
Speaker 3: little bit of a little bit of value to be
Speaker 3: added with his legs, for sure.
Speaker 1: Say, he's probably as athletic as Daniel Jones, and we
Speaker 1: just saw Daniel Jones put up seven hundred, so I
Speaker 1: think it's there. But you have to design stuff for
Speaker 1: him and stuff. So he's probably more of a four
Speaker 1: hundred and five hundred rushing yard guy than a seven hundred.
Speaker 1: If he starts all the games.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like the only issue, like if there had not
Speaker 3: been that long gap between the Packers drafting him and
Speaker 3: I mean like he is sat on the bench.
Speaker 2: For three years.
Speaker 3: Yeah, if this was just one where he sat on
Speaker 3: the bench for one year and the Packers were probably
Speaker 3: gonna make a big commitment to him, give him at
Speaker 3: least like two years to prove himself, I'd feel a
Speaker 3: little bit better about this price, and this price would
Speaker 3: probably be of value.
Speaker 2: But the thing is, Bogs, if he faced plants this year, like.
Speaker 1: I think it was a lot of qbs in this class,
Speaker 1: a lot.
Speaker 3: Of qbs, And if he face plants, the Packers are
Speaker 3: going to be picking really early in next year's draft.
Speaker 3: So it can easily be Drake May quarterbacking the Packers
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 1: Caleb Williams, quinn Ewers. Yeah, I mean there's gonna be
Speaker 1: a lot of good qbs in this class, bo Nicks,
Speaker 1: you know, So it's gonna it's gonna be deeper than
Speaker 1: it was this year for sure. Before we go to
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Speaker 1: player up here on the list FITZI. After Jordan Love,
Speaker 1: we go to Isaiah Pacheco, who is getting a big bump.
Speaker 1: One hundred and eighteen point six in February up to
Speaker 1: one hundred and six in June. Is ECR even higher
Speaker 1: than that Top one hundred player at ninety four and
Speaker 1: twenty six Among running backs, just behind Joe Mixon, Aaron Jones,
Speaker 1: Dalvin Cook, just ahead of Zach Charboney, David Montgomery, and
Speaker 1: Devin a. Chain. This guy put Checko to me, Fits
Speaker 1: is tough. He's a piece of the best offense in
Speaker 1: the league, so you definitely want him. In terms of running,
Speaker 1: I would say he's somewhat normal. You know, guy was
Speaker 1: thirty first in yards per route run forty fifth and
Speaker 1: elusive rating forty third. Run grade, Like he's somewhat middle
Speaker 1: of the pack, but he's holding down the job for
Speaker 1: the best offense in the league right now in Kansas City.
Speaker 1: And you know, look, the danger here is you have
Speaker 1: a big injury like James Robinson, you go from being
Speaker 1: one of the top young players in the league to
Speaker 1: what is James Robinson?
Speaker 4: Now?
Speaker 1: He's a backup in New England and a guy that
Speaker 1: is most people feel like will get cut before the
Speaker 1: season started. So you know, obviously Pacheco hasn't had that
Speaker 1: injury is room to grow. I do like him as
Speaker 1: a player. I think I'm I'm higher on him among
Speaker 1: running backs than most people are. What are your thoughts
Speaker 1: on Pachecko in dynasty leagues?
Speaker 2: I'm mostly okay with this ADP.
Speaker 3: I would say bogs if I had to, like self
Speaker 3: scout myself, like one of my biggest weaknesses in fantasy
Speaker 3: footballs that I tend to fall too hard for the
Speaker 3: running backs who run hard.
Speaker 2: But aren't necessarily super elusive.
Speaker 3: So like, you know, Isaiah Pitchecko is like a honey
Speaker 3: trap for me, a guy like that who just runs with.
Speaker 1: His I bet you got hair of Kenneth Dixon too,
Speaker 1: didn't you.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, And of course everyone loves the guy like
Speaker 3: Kenneth Dixon who runs behind a terrible offensive line in
Speaker 3: college and oh man, just wait.
Speaker 2: Till he gets a good offensive yes, yes, so yeah, boy,
Speaker 2: that's funny. Box.
Speaker 1: I did have a weakness for Kenneth disane and maybe.
Speaker 3: Like I feel like I'm I'm going down that same
Speaker 3: wormhole with Damian Pierce a little bit.
Speaker 1: Dude, that's the next guy I was gonna mention Pierce
Speaker 1: is the same example of one of those guys. Yeah. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: So it's hard, but you.
Speaker 3: Know, I'd like to see a little more wiggle, Like
Speaker 3: I don't want to see Isaiah Picchecko get get Chris
Speaker 3: carsoned out of the league where he just felt like
Speaker 3: does not avoid hits enough.
Speaker 2: I worry about that.
Speaker 3: But at the same time, like I could see Isaiah
Speaker 3: Pacheco scoring twelve touchdowns this year for the Chiefs.
Speaker 2: It's it's not the hardest win.
Speaker 1: And see that, right, no, so you know where would
Speaker 1: you What do you think about the guys going around him?
Speaker 1: You taking him over Dalvin Cook at this point?
Speaker 2: Probably? Yeah, I think Cook's best years are probably behind him.
Speaker 1: What about Jones and Mixing over Mixing?
Speaker 3: Yeah, like I feel like I feel like Mixing is
Speaker 3: just not as fast as he used to be.
Speaker 2: Aaron Jones, Boy, that's a tough one.
Speaker 3: I think I I'd rather have Aaron Jones is really
Speaker 3: good man, if he can get.
Speaker 1: All three of them ahead of him. I actually have
Speaker 1: him at twenty eighth among our bees, not in his
Speaker 1: ECRs twenty six, so I'm a little lower on him.
Speaker 1: I probably you know what, Actually, I'll probably have him
Speaker 1: at twenty seven in my next update at least.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I think I'm I'm in the same range.
Speaker 1: And look, I don't you don't exp you draft Pachecko
Speaker 1: not expecting you're not expecting a big breakout. I don't
Speaker 1: think you just want a decent amount of yards and
Speaker 1: the scores. That's what you want from Pachecko, and I
Speaker 1: think you're pretty safe in getting that as of right now,
Speaker 1: because they didn't sign anyone, they didn't draft anyone in
Speaker 1: that I feel like that is obviously a big reason
Speaker 1: of why his ADP has moved up is because they
Speaker 1: didn't draft a competition or replacement for him in the offseason.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I'm still on Pachecko, but I think he's
Speaker 1: going at fair market value right now.
Speaker 3: Don't you think I think so? But yeah, he is
Speaker 3: one of the more difficult players to assess for Dynasty.
Speaker 1: Our last riser that we have, then we have a
Speaker 1: couple more followers than we have risers. But Samaji p
Speaker 1: Ryan two twenty one point nine in February up to
Speaker 1: one hundred and ninety six point eight in June, his
Speaker 1: ECR is higher than that one sixty five. He's the
Speaker 1: fiftieth running back off the board. This is right now,
Speaker 1: the Javante handcuff, and that is kind of I feel
Speaker 1: like what he should be drafted at, although I do
Speaker 1: think he proved last season that he is better than
Speaker 1: just a handcuff, right p Ryan is, But Javonte has
Speaker 1: a chance to be an absolute stud. We expect him
Speaker 1: to be back early in the year, if not at
Speaker 1: the beginning of the season. So you know, he's a
Speaker 1: little handcuffy and I don't know if you saw fits,
Speaker 1: but the rumors, you know about before they release Cook
Speaker 1: if they do try to trade him that Denver in Miami,
Speaker 1: we're both talking to the Vikings. So you know, if
Speaker 1: the Broncos went out and got Dalvin Cook, well now
Speaker 1: p Ryan is third by a wide margin, and now
Speaker 1: it's you know, Cook is holding it down until Jamonte
Speaker 1: comes back and then they probably split. So you know,
Speaker 1: p Ryan is just not He's not safe from getting
Speaker 1: washed out of any role. And I think that's my
Speaker 1: issue with wanting to draft him really at all.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't need to add too much to what
Speaker 2: you said. That's a good way to sum it up.
Speaker 3: I mean p Ryan is a capable plotter who could
Speaker 3: potentially have a pretty fantasy relevant role in twenty twenty three.
Speaker 3: And I mean that that is probably the best way
Speaker 3: to play running backs in Dynasty short term. You know,
Speaker 3: maybe you've got a couple of young guys you like
Speaker 3: and want to hold on to and see if they
Speaker 3: hatch into you know, running back ones. But for the
Speaker 3: most part, like play it for the short term, in
Speaker 3: the here and now, So you know, like I don't
Speaker 3: think he's a guy who should be drafted early in
Speaker 3: a startup, but like he could be valuable this year,
Speaker 3: especially if you're in win now mode.
Speaker 1: Yeah, everything, He's a conditional player because it depends on
Speaker 1: what your roster looks like, right Like, I think most
Speaker 1: obvious is he's a still a Jamonte handcuff. But would
Speaker 1: you rather have him or like Tank Bigsby, who's going
Speaker 1: in the same range.
Speaker 3: I mean, it totally depends on Like, if I'm in
Speaker 3: win now mode, I would rather have pe Ryan if
Speaker 3: I'm rebuilding big and and like that's a thing bogs
Speaker 3: Like we have seen Sean Payton backs. I mean, obviously
Speaker 3: there's Alvin Kamara, and we know samaj p Run is
Speaker 3: not going to be Alvin Kamaro. But like if Javante
Speaker 3: has to open the season on Pop after a multi
Speaker 3: ligament knee injury, Yeah, like man for September and October,
Speaker 3: p Ryan could just be he could potentially be a
Speaker 3: running back one he could be.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he really could be. So it's just difficult to
Speaker 1: know right now. I think I'd rather have Bigsby in
Speaker 1: most scenarios just because there's more shelf life there in
Speaker 1: a chance. But I mean, there this is where you
Speaker 1: get where Bigsby could be nothing. I mean the Ernest
Speaker 1: Johnson could easily take that second role and he could
Speaker 1: be pushed to the back of the line. And you know,
Speaker 1: the same thing could happen for p Ryan like we
Speaker 1: said with Dalvin Cook. So it's kind of conditional. I
Speaker 1: think you know, the best spot to be to have
Speaker 1: p Ryan is the also roster Javonte. Know, so you
Speaker 1: have the starting running back for the Broncos most likely
Speaker 1: when the season opens. But there's nothing keeping them from
Speaker 1: signing Zeke or Fournette or Hunt or going and getting
Speaker 1: Donn Cook like you said, so they're still meat on
Speaker 1: the bone. Let's talk some followers here, FITZI, and let's
Speaker 1: start with the first one. You know, we're going in
Speaker 1: reverse order of adp here, and I was surprised to
Speaker 1: see this at seventeen in February down to twenty point
Speaker 1: three in June. Not a huge drop, but four of
Speaker 1: these top players three spots is big. Jonathan Taylor has
Speaker 1: dropped is ecr's eighth overall and second among running backs, Fitzi.
Speaker 1: He's behind only Bijon in ECR for running backs and
Speaker 1: above Breeze, CMC and Barkley. I know it was an
Speaker 1: injury plague season, last year. But I really don't understand
Speaker 1: the following of Jonathan Taylor.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so back late last year for you know whatever
Speaker 3: dynasty leagues were doing startups during the season back in November.
Speaker 3: According to DLF, his eight was eight point nine. Yeah,
Speaker 3: he was like a foundational first round player. I just
Speaker 3: think it's a slight overreaction to last year. Misses five
Speaker 3: games or maybe it was six games due to injury,
Speaker 3: and then wasn't as effective. We know, the Colts line
Speaker 3: was really disappointing, Like we thought the Colts had one
Speaker 3: of the better offensive lines in the league, and it
Speaker 3: kind of sucked last year. For being honest, Matt Ryan
Speaker 3: just completely fell apart, hit the wall. So I'm I'm
Speaker 3: optimistic that Taylor comes back. I mean, here's a dude
Speaker 3: who ran for eighteen hundred yards in twenty twenty one,
Speaker 3: a guy who in his first thirty two games scored
Speaker 3: thirty two touchdowns. Like Taylor's great man, big, fast, powerful vision, patience,
Speaker 3: quick feet, everything you would want.
Speaker 2: You know, I don't know if he's going to be.
Speaker 3: A prolific pass catcher, especially with a mobile quarterback like
Speaker 3: Anthony Richardson, who if he gets in trouble. It's probably
Speaker 3: just gonna run himself rather than dumping off to a back.
Speaker 3: But I do think Anthony Richardson is really going to
Speaker 3: pump up Taylor's.
Speaker 2: Rushing efficiency because we know that when you.
Speaker 3: Have to watch for a quarterback as big and as
Speaker 3: fast as Richardson, you're going to make sure he hands
Speaker 3: off the ball before you start sprinting at the running
Speaker 3: back to you know, fill a gap and make a tackle.
Speaker 2: Like you have to wait that extra split second. Man.
Speaker 3: I mean we saw that back in the day when
Speaker 3: Robert Griffith, Robert Griffinth iid had his crazy rookie year
Speaker 3: and Alfred Morris averaged like five point six yards of
Speaker 3: carry that year and it was just a monster.
Speaker 1: Sitting a lot of homers. I remember that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, man, like it.
Speaker 3: It definitely helped ask Miles Sanders last year with Jalen
Speaker 3: Hurts quarterback. I mean, Miles Sanders is super efficient as.
Speaker 1: A runner soon two. I mean it's kind of the
Speaker 1: same thing with Daniel Jones and Saquon And Saquon caught
Speaker 1: fifty six passes. Now you know his rookie season got
Speaker 1: ninety one, so we get it, you know, like, uh,
Speaker 1: definitely comes down with a rushing quarterback. Like you said,
Speaker 1: it makes the running lanes more open and efficient for him,
Speaker 1: and he's a strong I have him at six overall
Speaker 1: in super flex. I do not understand him falling to
Speaker 1: the second round. If I'm in a draft, I don't
Speaker 1: care if it's super flex. He can fall in the
Speaker 1: second round, So that's not gonna happen. I'll take my
Speaker 1: QB in the second round before I, you know, push
Speaker 1: Taylor down that far. I mean, I guess maybe in
Speaker 1: a sixteen man, I really want the QBS, But in
Speaker 1: your standard twelve man, I don't understand it at all.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Can you imagine getting like, you know, Lamar Jackson or
Speaker 3: Justin Fields or Justin Herbert in the first round and
Speaker 3: then coming back with JT J second.
Speaker 1: I mean it's more likely to do it in reverse
Speaker 1: on my rankings, you know what I mean, Like you
Speaker 1: take Taylor first and then get one of those qbs. So, yeah,
Speaker 1: I do not understand Taylor falling at all. He ain't
Speaker 1: gonna fall on my boards. You can tell from what
Speaker 1: Fitz says He's not gonna fall on his board either.
Speaker 1: One of the top five running backs in the NFL,
Speaker 1: so I know they don't last as long, but it
Speaker 1: also makes them harder to find and harder to keep.
Speaker 1: So you have a good one with Taylor. Understand that
Speaker 1: if you're drafting him and don't let him fall that far.
Speaker 1: Another follower here, not a surprise at all. Kyler Murray
Speaker 1: twenty six years old, twenty one point three in February
Speaker 1: down to twenty eight point six in June is ECR
Speaker 1: though is thirty seventh overall, tenth among QBS. He's just
Speaker 1: behind Trevor Lawrence, Dustin Fields, DeShawn Watson, just above Dak Prescott,
Speaker 1: Anthony Richardson and Bryce Young. So look, I still like
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray as a player. I'd still think he's a
Speaker 1: great player, and I have him, I believe at ten,
Speaker 1: and I have him like a spot ahead of Richardson,
Speaker 1: although I don't know if I would do that according
Speaker 1: to ADP but I don't know. Man. Obviously, this is
Speaker 1: all coming off his injury, but to me, it's not
Speaker 1: just that it's the injury. Plus Cliff Kingsbury's gone, who
Speaker 1: was the pass heavy, you know, air raid offense that
Speaker 1: he brought from Texas Tech with him. I would assume
Speaker 1: the offense is gonna get slower paced under Gannon because
Speaker 1: he's a defensive minded head coach and that you know,
Speaker 1: they're gonna want to run the ball and play strong defense,
Speaker 1: and that's gonna be a foundation of the team a
Speaker 1: lot like it was with the Eagles. So I think
Speaker 1: the offense will change as well. So Murray is definitely
Speaker 1: sliding down boards for multiple reasons.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not too concerned about the loss of Cliff
Speaker 3: Kingsbury and the horizontal passing game, but otherwise, yeah, like
Speaker 3: I do get it with the injury and the fact
Speaker 3: that we're gonna, you know, miss at least half the
Speaker 3: season this year, and what's Kyler Murray coming back to.
Speaker 3: There's really not much incentive to bring him back when
Speaker 3: this is so obviously a team that's tanking. But it
Speaker 3: is interesting that his ADP was six point seven last fall,
Speaker 3: And yeah.
Speaker 2: Like I still think the guy's good.
Speaker 3: I know that Cardinals fans, not all Cardinals fans are
Speaker 3: enamored with Tyler Murray. Like my my friend's brother in law,
Speaker 3: who like he he's a season ticket holder. He can't
Speaker 3: Stan Murray.
Speaker 1: I'm from Arizona, man, I got a lot of Cardinal
Speaker 1: friends and yeah, I mean, you know, some people are
Speaker 1: you know, not apologetic for him and say he's one
Speaker 1: of the best in the NFL, and some just hate
Speaker 1: his guts because of all this video game stuff and
Speaker 1: Call of Duty and all that crap.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, like I think, I certainly don't think
Speaker 3: he's a bad quarterback, but maybe you can make the
Speaker 3: point that he is a better fantasy quarterback than real life.
Speaker 3: The bugs he does pile up the points in Fantasy Man, and.
Speaker 1: He runs, you know, he runs. And that's also another
Speaker 1: thing that's kind of worrying me about him overall, is
Speaker 1: you know, the knee injury affecting him running and at
Speaker 1: least them being willing to run him because he is
Speaker 1: a smaller guy too in stature. You know, he's not tall,
Speaker 1: and he is skinny. I mean he's a little brick
Speaker 1: for sure. If you ever in his body, he's definitely thick.
Speaker 1: But you know, undersized guy that runs a lot is
Speaker 1: going to get hit a lot. And he finally did
Speaker 1: break so we'll see how long he's going to miss
Speaker 1: to start the season too, So you know, and this
Speaker 1: whole new it's a whole new you know, front office
Speaker 1: and coaching staff, so they are not Kyler Murray. This
Speaker 1: is not the group that took Kyler Murray. So you know,
Speaker 1: the allegiance to him may not be strong either. So
Speaker 1: we'll see. He's still a good option. I just you know,
Speaker 1: last year was bad, and I worry about how much
Speaker 1: that will affect him moving forward. Before we get to
Speaker 1: some more, go ahead, please.
Speaker 2: I was just final point, bogs.
Speaker 3: If I were drafting and I was either going to
Speaker 3: be taking a winning year two approach or a productive
Speaker 3: struggle approach, playing the long game, if he was available
Speaker 3: for me at twenty eighth overall, I'd be delighted. What
Speaker 3: about that's my second quarterback?
Speaker 1: And this is what I'm going through my head right now,
Speaker 1: because I do have Murray ahead, Murray or Richardson.
Speaker 2: Oh I'd rather Richardson.
Speaker 1: Yeah take that. I think I'm going to make that
Speaker 1: move too.
Speaker 3: Yeah, just like yeah, just the size and the like
Speaker 3: the physical the guys just could be Superman.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, yeah, it's the ceiling. You're taking the ceiling,
Speaker 1: and hopefully that's your second QB too. Like I can say,
Speaker 1: if it's a first QB, I might take Murray just
Speaker 1: because he is he is good and we know but
Speaker 1: I don't know. Man, That upside for Richardson is pretty good,
Speaker 1: so I think I might end up taking that.
Speaker 3: But it would be funny box if you know the
Speaker 3: Cardinals tank works their position to go number one pick
Speaker 3: Caleb Williams, and then this is the same team Rosen
Speaker 3: over for overboard for Kyler and they.
Speaker 1: At least Kyler like we'll go and get signed though,
Speaker 1: like he'll signed and go and start immediately somewhere. So yeah,
Speaker 1: that was not the case with Josh Rosen, who man
Speaker 1: was I was invested in Josh Rosen and that did
Speaker 1: not work out. Before we move on to some more followers,
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Speaker 1: next follower here, another guy that I don't like, is falling,
Speaker 1: but I understand it. Kenneth Walker, you just turned twenty
Speaker 1: two years old rookie last year. Twenty five point five
Speaker 1: was his ADP in February, down to thirty seven point
Speaker 1: nine in June. His ECR is twenty nine. He is
Speaker 1: ninth among running backs, going just below Gibbs etn and
Speaker 1: Jacob's just above Pollard, Eckler and Nause. So obviously the
Speaker 1: reason why Walker is taking a dip here is because
Speaker 1: of charbon Ay. But I feel like both these guys
Speaker 1: can work, and I am I guess I'm not surprised
Speaker 1: that Walker is falling. Him just kind of disappointed that
Speaker 1: he's falling this far. So what do you think about Walker?
Speaker 1: And do you think the drop is correct?
Speaker 3: I do think it's correct, and I don't think i'd
Speaker 3: be comfortable taking him in the top forty, like i'd
Speaker 3: be nervous about a Rashad Penny situation where the Seahawks
Speaker 3: spent a first round pick on Rashad Penny and then
Speaker 3: they felt Chris Carson was better, and so you know,
Speaker 3: Penny was pretty much a backup for a while and
Speaker 3: just the fact that Pete Carroll more than any other
Speaker 3: coach I think runs a true meritocracy with his roster.
Speaker 3: And you know, like that's not to say Walker isn't good.
Speaker 3: I do think Walker's good. But I also think scharbon
Speaker 3: A is good. What if what if Carol decided charbon
Speaker 3: Ay is better.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that's in the realman possibility because Sharbony
Speaker 1: is good. I just don't think that he's better than
Speaker 1: Kenneth Walker. He's bigger, so that that could be Then
Speaker 1: that could be the biggest detriment to Walker is that
Speaker 1: if Sharbonny gets those goal line carries. But Walker in
Speaker 1: his rookie season thirteenth and run grade thirteenth, in YAK
Speaker 1: tenth and misstackles sports second in breakaway yard total thirty
Speaker 1: seventh and receiving grade for a guy that did not
Speaker 1: catch the ball in college because of that terrible you know,
Speaker 1: Brian Lawurki and company QBS there in nineteenth and elusive
Speaker 1: rating as a rookie as well. I just think Walker
Speaker 1: has already proved that he is a solid back in
Speaker 1: the NFL, you know, a good maybe not great yet,
Speaker 1: but he has that potential. I still think he's better
Speaker 1: than sharbon Ay. I also think sharbon A is pretty
Speaker 1: good too. And we've seen Pete Carroll go run heavy.
Speaker 1: You know, before last year when Gina was slinging it,
Speaker 1: this team was one of the top running teams in
Speaker 1: the NFL, and I don't think they're scared to go
Speaker 1: back to that. So I just think they're going to
Speaker 1: run the ball a lot. I think there's enough meat
Speaker 1: on the bone for Walker and for Sharbonay. I think
Speaker 1: if I'm dipping something in this offense, it's Gino, because
Speaker 1: I think Gino overperformed last year. He's already a little
Speaker 1: bit long in the tooth. And you know, this is
Speaker 1: a team that could easily go and snap up one
Speaker 1: of those qbs next year, or you know, if the
Speaker 1: Cardinals cut Kyler, I could see him going to Seattle
Speaker 1: very similar, you know, skill set to Russell, so you know,
Speaker 1: maybe remake a little magic that way. So I don't know.
Speaker 1: I just I think this team's gonna be run heavy.
Speaker 1: And I have Walker at thirty five overall, so I
Speaker 1: think he's going in the correct range here. So that's
Speaker 1: one that fits, and I disagree on we found one here.
Speaker 1: I like it the next guy up on the list
Speaker 1: here in terms of moving down, Chris Godwin twenty seven
Speaker 1: years old. He's turning this year forty five in February,
Speaker 1: down to fifty three in June. His ECR is forty
Speaker 1: seventh overall, nineteenth among wide receivers, just behind DeVante Jackson,
Speaker 1: Smith and Jigba and Dj Moore, just above Christian Watson,
Speaker 1: Michael Pittman and Deebo. Your thoughts on Godwin? Do you
Speaker 1: are you buying this fall or are you are you
Speaker 1: thinking the overreaction of Brady being gone is maybe a
Speaker 1: little too much.
Speaker 2: I think it's fair.
Speaker 3: I do think we have to brace ourselves for maybe
Speaker 3: a little bit of a hit this year, although I
Speaker 3: do think I get the feeling that Chris Godwin is
Speaker 3: going to take less of a hit than Mike Evans.
Speaker 3: Well with Baker Mayfield or Kyle Trask if it turns
Speaker 3: out to be that.
Speaker 1: So, like you say, they like a curse word.
Speaker 3: Who knows, man, I mean, maybe Kyle Trask would be
Speaker 3: an upgrade over Mayfield.
Speaker 2: We don't know about that, but yeah, I mean I
Speaker 2: think a lot Godwin is still good.
Speaker 3: But Godwin investors might just have to wait a year
Speaker 3: for things to sort themselves out.
Speaker 1: I think that's fair. I'll say that my initial reaction
Speaker 1: is I don't like I don't like Chris Godwin being
Speaker 1: move because it's the guy, you know, fourth in YAK
Speaker 1: last year, one hundred and ninety second in a dot.
Speaker 1: So it's not like he was catching the ball downfield
Speaker 1: and getting all of his yards from Tom Brady's incredible arm.
Speaker 1: This is a guy that was taking short catches and
Speaker 1: doing a bunch with them. So I think he can
Speaker 1: do the same with Trask and Mayfield whoever it is
Speaker 1: back there, but they ain't gonna be Tom Brady, even
Speaker 1: Tom Brady at the end of his career. So yes,
Speaker 1: I'm on board with this one taking a little bit
Speaker 1: of a hit, although I am higher on him than
Speaker 1: ECR and this ADP as well. Another wide receiver on
Speaker 1: the followers list year Fitzy DJ Moore twenty six years old,
Speaker 1: fifty point eight in February, down to sixty in June
Speaker 1: thirty eighth. Last December, ECR is forty six overall and
Speaker 1: eighteenth among wide receivers, just behind Cup Adams and Jack
Speaker 1: Smith and Jigba, above Godwin, Watson and Pittman. You know,
Speaker 1: going to Chicago and playing with Justin Okay, I get
Speaker 1: it that he's moving down, But DJ Moore is the
Speaker 1: best wide receiver this team has had in a while,
Speaker 1: probably since Marshall or Alshon, Jeffrey or somebody. So I
Speaker 1: mean Moore is good and he's immediately the best wide
Speaker 1: receiver on this team, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, late fifth rownd ADP sign me up for sure.
Speaker 3: And yes, I understand a little more target competition now
Speaker 3: in Chicago and more of a run heavy offense, but
Speaker 3: I think there is untapped passing potential for Justin fields
Speaker 3: and you know, like Moore is going to be his guy.
Speaker 3: There's no one else who's going to usurp him as
Speaker 3: the go to receiver, Not Darnell Mooney, not Chase Claypool,
Speaker 3: you know, not not cole Kmet at tight end. So yeah, man,
Speaker 3: like I think this is light and maybe we don't
Speaker 3: see another twelve hundred yard season out of Dj Moore
Speaker 3: this season, but like, I'm not gonna say it can't happen.
Speaker 2: This guy's really good.
Speaker 3: Like, if you gave me, like I know, nine hundred
Speaker 3: and fifty yards is over under for more this year,
Speaker 3: I'd probably still tap the over on that one, I'm
Speaker 3: with you.
Speaker 1: Like DJ Moore has been you know, rolling his eyes
Speaker 1: and negativity about him since coming into the draft, and
Speaker 1: you know, Steve Smith pushed for this team to take him.
Speaker 1: He was absolutely right. That's why they asked him again.
Speaker 1: For Jonathan Mingo this year your boy, and they're excited
Speaker 1: about him. So I don't know, man, he's the number one.
Speaker 1: He's way better than Claypool. I love Darnal Mooney and
Speaker 1: he's much better than DARNL Mooney. So with Cole Comet there,
Speaker 1: and like you know, I think Michael Robinson said this
Speaker 1: on NFL Network a couple of weeks ago, and I
Speaker 1: completely agree with it. Justin Field is a passer with
Speaker 1: run ability. He is not a runner with passibility. There's
Speaker 1: a difference, right, And the difference is you probably should
Speaker 1: be moving positions if you're a runner that can pass
Speaker 1: a little. He is not that guy. He is a quarterback.
Speaker 1: So I am excited to see them let him sling
Speaker 1: it a little bit more of this year and just
Speaker 1: get a little renewed confidence in that guy, because I
Speaker 1: really think the Bears offense could explode if Fields takes off,
Speaker 1: and this could be the year so another follower here,
Speaker 1: DeAndre Swift, not a surprise obviously being traded, but forty
Speaker 1: first and February down to sixty eight pointy eight in
Speaker 1: June thirty seven or seventy third overall, twentieth among urbs,
Speaker 1: behind Dobbins, Henry and White, above Sanders Acres and Mixing.
Speaker 1: I've kind of talked about DeAndre Swift. I still think
Speaker 1: he's a good running back. I hate that he is
Speaker 1: in Philly, and I know people like it because the
Speaker 1: offense is much better, and I get it, but you
Speaker 1: have hurts to contend with you. They you know, sign Penny,
Speaker 1: they love gain Well and Boston Scott still gets carries
Speaker 1: like it's just too split up for me to have
Speaker 1: a ton of confidence in Swift moving forward. So I
Speaker 1: completely understand this and agree with this drop.
Speaker 3: I've heard multiple Eagles be writers speculate that they think
Speaker 3: if for Sean Penny is healthy, He's going to be
Speaker 3: the primary early down back for the Eagles this year.
Speaker 3: It seems to me like some of Swift's best games
Speaker 3: with the Lions where games where the Lions would fall
Speaker 3: into a big hole and then they would dump twelve
Speaker 3: passes in Swift's direction. That game script is not going
Speaker 3: to exist with the twenty twenty three Philadelphia Eagles. I
Speaker 3: mean they're not going down like three touchdowns to anyone.
Speaker 1: This year unless Hurts gets injured.
Speaker 3: Yes, way so, and plus you know, I don't think
Speaker 3: Hurts is going to be a guy who's dumping you know,
Speaker 3: seventy target stendy back. Really, so I even have an
Speaker 3: issue with this after a twenty seven spot fall in
Speaker 3: a span of a few months.
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's an off Bogs. I still
Speaker 2: wouldn't take him at sixty eight or whatever.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I got him as a post one hundred player.
Speaker 1: I mean, there are so many running backs I'm taking.
Speaker 2: Ahead of him.
Speaker 1: And look, he's still a good talent and he this
Speaker 1: could work out. Like you know, because when you're looking
Speaker 1: at all these players, I think a big thing for
Speaker 1: people is you want to look. Everybody wants a black
Speaker 1: and white answer, but it's never black and white, like
Speaker 1: you gotta look at the possibilities here the gray area,
Speaker 1: as they'd say, So take a look at what the
Speaker 1: peak is is he leads his team, he scores a
Speaker 1: bunch of touchdowns, He is the clear and away winner,
Speaker 1: and he stays healthy. Right, that's a good offensive line,
Speaker 1: it's a good offense. They're going to score a lot
Speaker 1: of touchdowns. But you know, the bad side is is,
Speaker 1: you know, we just invested a fourth round pick. We've
Speaker 1: tried him rare shot. Penny was way better and he
Speaker 1: finally stayed healthy, like, and now he's you know, the
Speaker 1: variance is too big for me to rely on DeAndre Swift,
Speaker 1: I feel like, and that's really the issue with him.
Speaker 1: It's not that he's not a good talent. It's not
Speaker 1: that it's within the realm of possibility for him to
Speaker 1: be at a you know, RB one. I would not
Speaker 1: be I would not be overtly shocked. I would be
Speaker 1: very surprised if that happened, but it wouldn't be the
Speaker 1: most shocking thing I've ever seen on a football field.
Speaker 1: But the reality is he's probably you know, a decent
Speaker 1: size of a pretty split up backfield, including the quarterback
Speaker 1: running the ball. So yeah, I'm just not going to
Speaker 1: be investing this year. Let's talk about some qbs here
Speaker 1: fits before our last guy the QBS, Trey Lance just
Speaker 1: turning twenty three sixty three point five in February down
Speaker 1: to seventy two point eight in June, but twenty five
Speaker 1: point four last year before the season started. His ECR
Speaker 1: is actually lower than all of that eighty first overall
Speaker 1: the twenty third QB, he's behind Pickett and Wilson and
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers, above car Love and Mac Russell Wilson the
Speaker 1: opposite here. I'm just going to combine these two. He's
Speaker 1: thirty four, down to ninety one point four in February,
Speaker 1: down to post one hundred player in super flex leagues
Speaker 1: in June. His ECR is eighty seven, so much higher.
Speaker 1: Twenty first above gotch you know, and Picket behind a
Speaker 1: rod Lance and car Or those guys are behind him.
Speaker 1: So between Lance and Russell Wilson fits, who would you
Speaker 1: rather have Lance? Lance?
Speaker 2: I really would.
Speaker 3: I'm I'm worried about, you know, I'm worried about Russell
Speaker 3: Wilson losing his mobility, which I think has been the
Speaker 3: secret sauce for him throughout his career, the ability to
Speaker 3: escape the pass rush and make plays off script.
Speaker 2: Where's Lance?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 3: I still think Lance will get a shot. He just
Speaker 3: hasn't fully gotten a shot yet. You know, he last
Speaker 3: year plays that Rainstorm game in Chicago, then the next start,
Speaker 3: he gets hurt.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and like it just so happened.
Speaker 3: Purdy comes in, was pretty good against a bunch of
Speaker 3: really bad defenses, and now like sort of is being
Speaker 3: considered the accumbent. But Lance will get his shot, if
Speaker 3: not in San Francisco, somewhere else. And I can attest
Speaker 3: to this ADP being very accurate. I just got him
Speaker 3: at seventy three overall in a startup, and the ADP
Speaker 3: is seventy two point eight, so I guess I got
Speaker 3: a zero point two of a spot bargain on him. Yeah,
Speaker 3: man Like, and this guy is a Konami code quarterback.
Speaker 3: I think like he just moved the needle with his
Speaker 3: running bit and like, you know, yes, take the OTA
Speaker 3: videos with a grain of salt, but it did look
Speaker 3: like he's kind of improved his mechanics.
Speaker 1: I like Trey Lance still, Yeah, I am with you
Speaker 1: wholly incompletely fits. This guy has not gotten a fair
Speaker 1: shake yet, and it seems really you know, you hear
Speaker 1: the rumors that Shanahan didn't want him, but ownership did,
Speaker 1: and you know his original pick was Mac Jones, and
Speaker 1: that's why I likes brock Party now and all the rumors, right,
Speaker 1: But I think it doesn't really matter what the rumors
Speaker 1: are this year or next year. Lance is gonna get
Speaker 1: a shot. It may not be with the Niners, maybe
Speaker 1: with a different team, but he is going to get
Speaker 1: a shot somewhere. And I have him ahead of Russell
Speaker 1: Wilson too. I have him at sixteen a Russell Wilson
Speaker 1: at twenty. So I'm actually ahead of ECR on both
Speaker 1: these guys because I do I have a little bit
Speaker 1: of a belief in Russell Wilson having a bounce back.
Speaker 1: I do think Sean Payton is going to be a
Speaker 1: big part of that. And also you know that there
Speaker 1: was some off the field stuff going on with Russell
Speaker 1: Wilson personally that I think is not going to be
Speaker 1: affecting him, you know, I just I don't I think
Speaker 1: last year was as bad as we're going to see
Speaker 1: from Russ before he retires, So I do expect him
Speaker 1: to get better. So maybe if I'm looking for a
Speaker 1: QB two, like you want to take both these guys
Speaker 1: as a QB three, right, so you don't have to
Speaker 1: rely on them first year. But look, he had a
Speaker 1: QB two, I probably take Wilson just because I know
Speaker 1: he's going to start the whole year because they paid
Speaker 1: him too much. But if I'm looking for a QB three,
Speaker 1: it's upside all day. Baby, give me Trey Lance. I
Speaker 1: am absolutely with you, and that anything on Russell, No.
Speaker 2: Just that one O two is fine.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know you're you're praying that Sean Payton can
Speaker 3: turn it around.
Speaker 2: And maybe he can.
Speaker 3: I mean, like, even if Ross has lost the mobility.
Speaker 3: You know, Drew Brees was not the most mobile guy
Speaker 3: in the world, and things worked out pretty well with
Speaker 3: Breeze when he was playing for Peyton.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, exactly. So let's see what it looks like
Speaker 1: and gonna be interesting. The last guy we want to
Speaker 1: talk about here, Dalvin Cook, turning twenty seven this year,
Speaker 1: fifty three point three in February down to eighty two
Speaker 1: point four in June. Is ECR right now is eighty
Speaker 1: ninth overall, twenty fifth among running backs behind Acres, Mixing
Speaker 1: and Aaron Jones, above Pacheco, Charbonay and Montgomery. Obviously, he's
Speaker 1: not gonna be with the Vikings, you know, this season
Speaker 1: twenty seven is kind of getting along in the tooth,
Speaker 1: especially for as many carries as he's had. I get it.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think I'm a little more hard
Speaker 1: headed about running backs declining and wanting to hold onto
Speaker 1: them fits, but I understand it. So I think this
Speaker 1: is somewhat appropriate for Cook, especially not knowing where he's
Speaker 1: gonna end up, a.
Speaker 3: Guy who's always had some you know, injury issues too,
Speaker 3: nothing too debilitating, and to his credit like he you know,
Speaker 3: seems to bounce back pretty well from injuries and sometimes
Speaker 3: sometimes can play through him goodwin healthy. But the thing is, Boggs,
Speaker 3: do we see him like being the guy in a
Speaker 3: backfield anymore? I mean probably not. Like all the possible
Speaker 3: landing spots seem like committee thing. Maybe Miami would be
Speaker 3: the best thing. Maybe they would just you know, keep
Speaker 3: that spot Moster, Wilson, h h and all on the bench,
Speaker 3: Like if he's gonna get one shot to be the guy,
Speaker 3: maybe it's Miami. But all these other possible landing spots
Speaker 3: I've seen, like Denver, Dallas, Tampa, it just doesn't seem
Speaker 3: like he would have the gig fully to himself.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he definitely have somebody else there. All those spots
Speaker 1: that you just mentioned. Denver would be Javonte whenever he's healthy,
Speaker 1: Tampa Bay Obviously White would be like maybe the least
Speaker 1: and Pollard. He would be the two behind Pollard. There's
Speaker 1: no question about that. So yeah, I mean he's there's
Speaker 1: reason for him to be dropping, and I agree with that.
Speaker 1: I'm a little hardheaded though, Like if he goes to Miami,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be very excited about him, because I mean,
Speaker 1: it's gonna kill your love for a chain. No, maybe
Speaker 1: not your love for a chanin, but you love for
Speaker 1: his situation my.
Speaker 2: Twenty twenty three love for a chain definitely.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, So like that's the spot. That that's the spot.
Speaker 1: And also I think he's better than he probably might
Speaker 1: be a little bit better than Rashad White. So like,
Speaker 1: if he goes to Tampa Bay, he'll be the leader,
Speaker 1: but it'll look a lot like Fournette and White at
Speaker 1: the end of the season where they're playing musical chairs.
Speaker 1: So it'll be annoying wherever he goes regardless, but at
Speaker 1: least we're opening up Alexander Madison in Minnesota. So yeah, look,
Speaker 1: I understand his dropping and I agree with it begrudgingly
Speaker 1: because I don't want to completely give up on him.
Speaker 1: I still do think he's a good back but obviously
Speaker 1: you know he's gonna he looks like he's most likely
Speaker 1: to be a two somewhere going into this season. So
Speaker 1: those are the risers and followers. FITZI, we want to
Speaker 1: talk a little bit about trades at the end here.
Speaker 1: Do you have any just like super flex specific traits
Speaker 1: like our boy Debro always says, draft your qbs, don't
Speaker 1: trade for them because they cost too much, stuff like that.
Speaker 1: You have any couple, maybe two or three overall over
Speaker 1: arching superflex trade rules.
Speaker 3: One would be that I think positional balance is overrated,
Speaker 3: and because in dynasty leagues, you know, these are leagues
Speaker 3: for people who like to make trades, so like, don't
Speaker 3: get too hung up on positional balance, like, oh, you know,
Speaker 3: I've got just the right level of like if you
Speaker 3: are getting a net upgrade of talent, like I don't
Speaker 3: mind being a talent deficit at one position as long
Speaker 3: as I'm running a surplus at another position. Okay, so
Speaker 3: that would be one of them. But what about you box,
Speaker 3: do you have any that are.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think the one that Debro mentions that
Speaker 1: the QBS is so important because you just do the
Speaker 1: math if you're in a twelve man league. Yet in
Speaker 1: a super flex that is thirty six starting qbs that
Speaker 1: everybody needs, everybody needs three. You need your two starters
Speaker 1: and one for BI weeks. Not everybody's gonna have them.
Speaker 1: So hoard is what I would say. If you're in
Speaker 1: a spot in the draft where in a rookie draft,
Speaker 1: I mean in the future, and you look around and
Speaker 1: you say, I don't like these players. Even in the
Speaker 1: startup draft too, I look around and I'm like, I'm
Speaker 1: not thoroughly impressed by my options. Here. Take a quarterback because,
Speaker 1: like Deebro said, they're gonna be worth more for you
Speaker 1: if you hoard as well. Now to counteract that, you
Speaker 1: shouldn't be letting people stash eight seven eight qbs on
Speaker 1: the roster. Maybe have like a five QB maximum in
Speaker 1: your league, stuff like that, and just talk to the
Speaker 1: commissioner ahead of time so nobody hoards like crazy. But
Speaker 1: if you have the opportunity to draft a QB and
Speaker 1: trade them for something that is better than what is
Speaker 1: available on the board right now, I take that opportunity
Speaker 1: whenever I can. So I know people don't like it.
Speaker 1: It is looked down upon by the Welsh. He does
Speaker 1: not like it. Because I definitely fleeced him out of
Speaker 1: some pieces to trade him, like Sam Donald a couple
Speaker 1: of years ago or somebody bad. Uh So, but those
Speaker 1: qbs hold more value. They just hold more value than
Speaker 1: any other spot, So remember it when you're trading. Squeeze
Speaker 1: a little extra if you're trading a QB. So that's
Speaker 1: one of my trade rumors or trade rules.
Speaker 2: Excuse me, bugs, we're low on time.
Speaker 3: But let me ask you, how do you generally respond
Speaker 3: to spam traders? Do you ever bother trying to counter
Speaker 3: or do you just generally push the reject button and uh.
Speaker 1: The kembi matombo if it's a if it's a spam,
Speaker 1: the cambi. And I think the best way to beat
Speaker 1: a spam offer or a spam trader is don't be
Speaker 1: one of those guys. Instead, post to the league I'm
Speaker 1: looking to trade X, Y or Z, and then you
Speaker 1: get as many offers. People who are looking will send
Speaker 1: you the offers uh, and you get more. If you're
Speaker 1: just working with one person, you're limited to what's on
Speaker 1: their roster. So if you are looking to trade someone,
Speaker 1: make sure everyone in your league knows about it. I
Speaker 1: think is another trade rule that I have.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think rudge the spam traders. I just
Speaker 3: don't really indulge them. It's the problem they're going to
Speaker 3: send me things. I'm like, yeah, I don't. I don't
Speaker 3: mind you spamming me as long as you don't mind
Speaker 3: getting a bunch of rejections with no counters. The only
Speaker 3: I think my biggest pet peeve with trading bogs and
Speaker 3: this is something like if you want to be a
Speaker 3: more productive trader.
Speaker 1: Can I guess it?
Speaker 2: Sure?
Speaker 1: Is it? The paragraph about why the trade works for
Speaker 1: both teams?
Speaker 3: When I know what you're talking about, Like, I don't
Speaker 3: need the sales pitch.
Speaker 2: I can figure this out for myself. I'm a big boy.
Speaker 2: But no, it's it's when like it's clear.
Speaker 3: That the other person has not taken the time to
Speaker 3: even look at your roster.
Speaker 2: Really, Like there's one lead.
Speaker 3: We're all I'm pretty loaded at running back and wide
Speaker 3: receiver and I'm like short on quarterback. And this guy
Speaker 3: made an offer to me to try to get Sam Howell,
Speaker 3: and like I actually need Sam Howell on this team
Speaker 3: because I'm so light at quarterback. But like it's like, dude,
Speaker 3: if you would just actually look at my roster rather
Speaker 3: than just looking at it, seeing the one guy you
Speaker 3: want to make an offer on, and then just throwing
Speaker 3: something at me like I don't know. I mean, I'm
Speaker 3: into I don't like to spend a lot of time
Speaker 3: and negotiations.
Speaker 1: Me neither.
Speaker 3: So like I'll look at someone's roster and you know,
Speaker 3: like would put yourself in the person's shoes? Would they
Speaker 3: say yes to this deal?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I mean I get so, you're you're absolutely correct.
Speaker 1: I get so aggravated by someone, you know, just sending
Speaker 1: out a trade and not looking at my team at all,
Speaker 1: Like what this doesn't How does this help me? This
Speaker 1: doesn't this only helps you? Why would I do this?
Speaker 1: You know? This is not what I need? So I
Speaker 1: think that's a big part of it too. You can
Speaker 1: probably play the mental gymnastics a little bit if you
Speaker 1: just do the hard work. Like Fitz said, you look
Speaker 1: at their roster, you say, Okay, this is what they
Speaker 1: need I need, This is there a deal. I'll look
Speaker 1: there are players that I want to acquire, and I'll
Speaker 1: go and I'll look at who is rostering that guy.
Speaker 1: I look at their team and I go, well, there's
Speaker 1: nothing that works for us here. Like you know he's
Speaker 1: sacked at running back. I'm also stacked in running back.
Speaker 1: He needs wide receivers. I'm trying to get this wide out.
Speaker 1: I don't have anything to give him, so I just go, Okay,
Speaker 1: that's obviously not gonna work. I'll try to send my
Speaker 1: sites on someone else, or I'll try to send it
Speaker 1: and say, you know, hey, any interest in trading X,
Speaker 1: Y or Z instead of sending an actual offer. So,
Speaker 1: but also like, don't get your feelings hurt when someone
Speaker 1: sends you a million offers. Either, you don't want to
Speaker 1: burn a bridge. You don't want to be the guy that, oh, well,
Speaker 1: this trade is ridiculous, so you counter with a terrible trade.
Speaker 1: That's just a way to build animosity. And a lot
Speaker 1: of leagues still have veto rules, which should be gotten
Speaker 1: rid of. Veto rules are to me fits. You can
Speaker 1: tell me what you think about them. I think they're
Speaker 1: over the top and ridiculous. I don't like them at all.
Speaker 1: I think if you have a commissioner that you trust,
Speaker 1: which everybody should have, then there's no need for veto
Speaker 1: rules because you get into backstabbing. And the only reason
Speaker 1: that veto trade should be vetoed ever, is for you
Speaker 1: think it's collusion, and you know you gotta be pretty
Speaker 1: sure it is too, because that's a pretty big accusation, homie.
Speaker 1: So you know you can't you can't accuse everyone of coluding.
Speaker 1: But that is the only reason to You know, people
Speaker 1: are gonna make bad trades in the NFL and make
Speaker 1: bad trades, so if they think it's right for their team,
Speaker 1: they should be able to do it. But you know,
Speaker 1: as long as they ain't cheating. So yeah, I think about.
Speaker 3: I'm in favor of the commissioner having veto power to
Speaker 3: nix anything like. I don't like this thing where leagues.
Speaker 3: A league can vote on.
Speaker 1: A trade, it just because because you know, the first
Speaker 1: time you get a trade voted down, then now that
Speaker 1: person who had the trade voted down is going to
Speaker 1: vote down every other trade that happens. It just gets
Speaker 1: into sniping and backstabbing and all that stuff. It should
Speaker 1: be commissioner only. You should have someone smart enough to
Speaker 1: recognize the trades and know if they're gonna because really,
Speaker 1: you know, the whole reason for vetoing is that this
Speaker 1: trade is going to completely lopside the whole league, you know,
Speaker 1: and that happens and you know, it's human nature. People
Speaker 1: are not above it, so you do have to have
Speaker 1: something in place for that. But it should not be
Speaker 1: other owners. It should be the commissioner.
Speaker 3: I feel like, so what we're saying here in this
Speaker 3: whole conversation bogs basically that trading in dynasty leagues is
Speaker 3: like anything else in life.
Speaker 2: Don't be a tool and things should go easier for
Speaker 2: you exactly.
Speaker 1: Don't be pain in the keyster and everything should be good.
Speaker 1: But that is going to wrap it up for us.
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