Speaker 1: Welcome back, everybody. It's the Fantasy Pros Dynasty Fantasy Football Podcast,
Speaker 1: brought to you by Reality Sports Online. I'm your host,
Speaker 1: Scott Bogman. You can find me on Twitter at Bogman Sports.
Speaker 1: I'm joined at as Always Buy, Pat Fitzmorris at fits
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Speaker 1: are you ready to plant some flags today? My friend?
Speaker 1: It is going to be a fun one. It is,
Speaker 1: FuG man. I'm really excited about this, and it seems
Speaker 1: like a good time to do this, just a few
Speaker 1: weeks before the NFL Draft, like almost all over two
Speaker 1: weeks away. My man, it feels too close, you know, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know, I feel like I need more prep time.
Speaker 1: I just need a little more time. You know. We're
Speaker 1: just days away from smoke screen season starting where we
Speaker 1: get the fake rumors about where, who likes whom and
Speaker 1: all that. So yeah, we're getting the right Now. We're
Speaker 1: in the process of which player has visited which team,
Speaker 1: which is always an interesting one, which I know affects
Speaker 1: me way too much in mock drafts, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. Like I'll have a position, I'll be like, Okay,
Speaker 1: well did they visit this guy? And if they visited
Speaker 1: I just had one. Um, you know, I won't mention
Speaker 1: it here because I'm gonna be on the Fantasy Pros
Speaker 1: Fantasy Football podcast with Joe Zappia, Freedman, and debro this
Speaker 1: week and we're gonna be doing a mock draft. But um,
Speaker 1: we're kind of doing our prep work for that. And
Speaker 1: I'm you know, on the Eagles, I'm looking at corners,
Speaker 1: I'm like, who have they visited? Because I like this guy,
Speaker 1: I like that guy for them, But they've only had
Speaker 1: visits with a couple, so I'm like, it's got to
Speaker 1: be one of these two guys. One of the other
Speaker 1: guys has already gone in this mock so I know
Speaker 1: exactly who I'm taking. So it influences me a little bit,
Speaker 1: probably too much, because a lot of those are even
Speaker 1: smoke screens. You know, I've seen it plenty of times
Speaker 1: where a team will visit a ton of guys in draft,
Speaker 1: like maybe one guy off that list, and that's just
Speaker 1: the process that happens right now, and we all always
Speaker 1: kind of get distracted by that stuff, right, Yeah, we do.
Speaker 1: And I know what you're talking about. We just saw
Speaker 1: one where it was I think the Giants sense like
Speaker 1: a bus load of people to cave on Thibodeau's work out.
Speaker 1: You know, when the team chef is going there to
Speaker 1: check him out. You know, it's pretty serious apparently, and
Speaker 1: you know, rather than just sending the GM and the
Speaker 1: head coach and maybe a couple of other guys. So yeah,
Speaker 1: of course, and I had to mock Thibodeau to the
Speaker 1: Giants in my latest version. So well, I'll tell you what,
Speaker 1: if anyone ever got serious about signing me to a
Speaker 1: long term contract and wants to send a chef out
Speaker 1: to see me, I'm all about it. You know, I
Speaker 1: will take a chef without issue. Let's go ahead and
Speaker 1: dive in fits on these and just Us today. I
Speaker 1: think this might be our first just Us show here,
Speaker 1: so very very interesting. But let's go straight into qbs,
Speaker 1: and we're each gonna give you one, and I think
Speaker 1: most I think most years will probably give you like
Speaker 1: a top end, a middle end, and a low end
Speaker 1: guy that we like. But with this class specifically, it's
Speaker 1: like which one of the top five guys you like
Speaker 1: and the rest kind of don't seem to matter that much.
Speaker 1: You know, I know that there's a couple you know,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of people in on Carson Strong, there's
Speaker 1: a couple of people in on like EJ. Perry, You
Speaker 1: and Skyler Thompson and guys like that down the list.
Speaker 1: For me, you're picking from this top end and some
Speaker 1: of these guys are gonna work out. Some of these
Speaker 1: guys aren't. So if you are picking a quarterback in
Speaker 1: this draft, fits, who is your quarterback going to be? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I didn't need more more than one here, Bogman, because
Speaker 1: like I struggled. We've talked about this before and I
Speaker 1: do not care for this quarterback class. I think it's,
Speaker 1: you know, one of the weakest we've seen since the
Speaker 1: EJ Manual year. It's just kind of roughen. I am
Speaker 1: intrigued by Malik Willis's tools, but I think he is
Speaker 1: going to be overdrafted. As far as the pot odds
Speaker 1: on Malik Willis hitting, I think are not going to
Speaker 1: be worth where he goes in the draft. Is a
Speaker 1: top ten guy. I don't think the pot odds on
Speaker 1: him are good. But for a guy who maybe is
Speaker 1: not going to land in the first round, maybe will
Speaker 1: land somewhere late in the first round. I think if
Speaker 1: I wanted to put a bet down, Sam Howell would
Speaker 1: be the guy I would bet, just because he's the
Speaker 1: only guy who had an early breakout age. I'm falling
Speaker 1: back on breakout age here. Bogman when he was nineteen,
Speaker 1: starting right off the bat as a big timer too,
Speaker 1: from the state of North Carolina, staying home, going to
Speaker 1: Chapel Hill, starting thirteen games that year for the tar Heels.
Speaker 1: And you know, he had just turned nineteen when that
Speaker 1: season began, like September sixteenth, so I guess he might
Speaker 1: have made a start or two at age eighteen and
Speaker 1: winds up being acc Freshman of the Year, has a
Speaker 1: very successful year in a Power five conference, winds up
Speaker 1: being MVP of the Military Ball when they smoked Temple
Speaker 1: fifty five to thirteen. And not only did he have
Speaker 1: three touchdown passes, he had a TD catch in that game,
Speaker 1: so he's mobile, like not lesque. I feel yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean like, I don't know if he's going to
Speaker 1: be a true Konami code guy, but he might be
Speaker 1: like Justin Herbert, who gives you a little bit of
Speaker 1: rushing value. I think, you know, we should hope he's
Speaker 1: going to be the passer Justin Herbert is. I'm not
Speaker 1: saying that, but maybe that's the running value he can improvise.
Speaker 1: He's kind of a gamer. I think he's a tough kid.
Speaker 1: And you know, we he got knocked for his junior season,
Speaker 1: but as we've talked about here, he lost Javonte Williams,
Speaker 1: Michael Carter, Damy Brown, and Dazz Newsom, and I feel
Speaker 1: like Howe gets too much criticism for that. I feel
Speaker 1: like he gets a little bit too much criticism for
Speaker 1: you lost, you know, your four main guys, and so
Speaker 1: I feel like people should have expected him to take
Speaker 1: a little bit of a dip, you know, when you
Speaker 1: lose four talented players of that caliber. And he didn't
Speaker 1: even dip that far down. He still had a pretty
Speaker 1: solid season in twenty. Yeah, it wasn't like the numbers
Speaker 1: were terrible, so I just think based on the early
Speaker 1: breakout age and the three pretty solid years of production,
Speaker 1: and you know, coming out entering the draft early, like,
Speaker 1: I think he is just the best percentage play bets
Speaker 1: of any quarterback in this class. I okay, so I
Speaker 1: like it. For me, I feel like Sam how Is
Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield but a little bit better runner. That's that's
Speaker 1: how I feel about him, which is starting caliber quarterback
Speaker 1: in the NFL. You know, as much as I like
Speaker 1: to hate on Baker because he went to Oklahoma and
Speaker 1: and you know hasn't really done a ton with the Browns,
Speaker 1: he took them to the playoffs. He won a playoff
Speaker 1: game against a huge rival in Pittsburgh. So uh, there
Speaker 1: is definitely meat on the bone with Baker. You know.
Speaker 1: I don't think he is completely done. We'll see if
Speaker 1: he latches on somewhere else, but I would put how
Speaker 1: in that area. For me, I'm gonna go the opposite
Speaker 1: of your initial take. Malik Willis is going to be
Speaker 1: the quarterback that I plant my flag on for this
Speaker 1: upcoming draft. And you know, when you look at a
Speaker 1: guy like Willis, you get eye popping comps. You get
Speaker 1: Mike Vick, you know, right, handed Mike Vick because he
Speaker 1: can run and he's got a huge arm. You get
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson because he's right now a run first quarterback,
Speaker 1: but that doesn't mean he can't throw the ball. And
Speaker 1: to me, I think any quarterback in this class, because
Speaker 1: we're looking at them all as kind of projects, I
Speaker 1: think what you want is instead of a ton of
Speaker 1: great film. I mean, obviously you want a ton of
Speaker 1: great film for everyone, but you want the raw ball
Speaker 1: of clay. And I think that's what Malik Willis is,
Speaker 1: and I think he's going to work hard enough to
Speaker 1: become a better quarterback. The huge arm and the running
Speaker 1: ability are just traits you can't teach. You cannot bring
Speaker 1: in a guy and teach him to have a better
Speaker 1: arm or teach him to run faster. These are in
Speaker 1: teachable assets. That's what you get with Malik Willis. The
Speaker 1: traits are there. He just needs to be grooms. And
Speaker 1: I know the big comparison that everybody likes to make
Speaker 1: is Josh Allen. But Josh Allen is what you get
Speaker 1: when everything hits perfectly, and no one's gonna do that.
Speaker 1: So I don't think there's a Josh Allen in this class.
Speaker 1: I do think if there is one, Malik Willis is
Speaker 1: the closest. But here's my favorite comp Cordell Stuart. Cordell
Speaker 1: Stuart was slash in Pittsburgh. He played a wide receiver,
Speaker 1: running back, you know, anything they wanted him to. And
Speaker 1: I don't think Malik Willis is going to have that
Speaker 1: type of versatility. But when when Cordell was finally under
Speaker 1: center and got the job, they kept switching offensive coordinators
Speaker 1: on him. He had like six offensive coordinators in seven years.
Speaker 1: I think if you get Malik Willis into a system
Speaker 1: and you're not changing the coaches on a consistent basis,
Speaker 1: So if he goes to Carolina and they Firematt Rule
Speaker 1: year one, it's gonna be bad for him, you know.
Speaker 1: So I think if he goes to a team like Pittsburgh,
Speaker 1: where you know, maybe he's switching offensive coordinators, but you
Speaker 1: your head coach is gonna be Tomlin for a long time,
Speaker 1: I think for a guy like Willis, it's going to
Speaker 1: be much much better. You know, he crushed the interview process.
Speaker 1: I think the Carolina fit is perfect in terms of
Speaker 1: the players that he'll have surrounding. Christian McCaffrey DJ more
Speaker 1: Anderson probably another wide receiver that they draft. I like
Speaker 1: Tommy Trumbull. I'm a big Terrorists Marshall fan. I think
Speaker 1: those would be good spots for Willis. That'd be a
Speaker 1: good spot for Wills, But I don't know if the
Speaker 1: Carolina situation is going to be good for him. And unfortunately,
Speaker 1: that is what we're gonna have with all of these
Speaker 1: quarterbacks because they're all raw lumps of clay right now
Speaker 1: and are gonna need to be rolled into something good.
Speaker 1: You know. Like I said before watching him against Old
Speaker 1: Miss and watching that tape for Willis, it was this
Speaker 1: is gonna be the my QB one on the board
Speaker 1: right and by halftime, I was like, I don't know
Speaker 1: if this guy gets drafted. He's made so many mistakes
Speaker 1: so it's unbelievable. But he's playing at Liberty against an
Speaker 1: SEC school. So you go back and watch the film.
Speaker 1: Obviously there are things that you cannot teach someone in
Speaker 1: Malik Willis, and I think if you can get him
Speaker 1: a good OC and really get a system that fits
Speaker 1: for him, he's gonna take off. But we'll see your
Speaker 1: your thoughts. That did my elevator, you know, pitch here,
Speaker 1: I've read too much, Waldman, did my elevator pitch work
Speaker 1: for you. It's funny, Bogman. There probably some people who
Speaker 1: winced when you made the Cordell Stewart comparison. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: they forget that. I think Cordell Stewart was probably the
Speaker 1: QB one in fantasy drafts in either ninety eight or
Speaker 1: ninety nine those years. I can't remember which one, because
Speaker 1: he was really one of the original Konami code quarterbacks,
Speaker 1: one of the cheek code guys. So I don't think
Speaker 1: that's a bad comparison at all, but it's it's interesting
Speaker 1: to me, Bogman. If you'll recall, it was at about
Speaker 1: this time last year that we started to get the
Speaker 1: rumors about Justin Fields and his processing ability, that there
Speaker 1: were some teams that worried about his ability to process
Speaker 1: the field, make reads and you know, another big arm
Speaker 1: guy with running ability, And we have not heard that
Speaker 1: about Malik Willis, even though I think Justin Fields was
Speaker 1: like a superior prospect who played against much better competition.
Speaker 1: So I'm I wonder if we haven't heard the same
Speaker 1: type of concerns just because there's no one that Willis
Speaker 1: is really going up against in this class, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. Yeah, Yeah, like last year. Also, I
Speaker 1: think a lot of teams were I think more teams
Speaker 1: were vying for quarterbacks up at the top of the draft. Yes,
Speaker 1: and he got more smoke screens last year as well. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think you're right about that. But I also think
Speaker 1: part of it was kind of valid because we saw
Speaker 1: Justin Field's drop last year. But I would be pretty
Speaker 1: surprised if he got past Well, I don't think he's
Speaker 1: getting past like Washington. I mean, that would probably be
Speaker 1: the ultimate backstop. But I'll be pretty surprised if he
Speaker 1: slides past Carolina. And I wouldn't be surprised if the
Speaker 1: Saints took that extra first round pick they acquired from Philadelphia. Yeah,
Speaker 1: bundled their picks together and try to jump Carolina. We
Speaker 1: thought that's what they were doing for Lamar Jackson a
Speaker 1: couple of years back, and they moved in front of
Speaker 1: someone and took Davin Davenport. Ye. So yeah, that was
Speaker 1: an interesting move. But I like that thought process. So
Speaker 1: you know, obviously we're gonna have way more to talk
Speaker 1: about post draft here, but you know, it's interesting trying
Speaker 1: to kind of put these guys in a place. I
Speaker 1: think Caroline would be great, but they got to make
Speaker 1: sure Matt Rule's not going anywhere, and I don't know
Speaker 1: if that's the case. So let's go over to running
Speaker 1: backs now, and we both have the same number one
Speaker 1: overall RB on our board, So why don't you just
Speaker 1: break the news to everyone who is yeah, captain obvious
Speaker 1: and if we're planning flags, it almost feels, you know, dirty,
Speaker 1: to do it on a guy who's everyone's RB one,
Speaker 1: But right, you know, everyone we like this guy going
Speaker 1: into the combine and then he goes in runs a
Speaker 1: four thirty four three nine, kills it in the other tests.
Speaker 1: It winds up with ninety eight percentile speed score because
Speaker 1: he does have that pretty perfect NFL running back build
Speaker 1: at six one two twenty. I mean, I think that's
Speaker 1: almost like the perfect size for lead NFL back ninety
Speaker 1: fourth percentile burst score. This dude's just got athleticism for days. Um,
Speaker 1: have you even said his name yet? Have I said it?
Speaker 1: BRUEs Halted? I know, apologies if I did not actually
Speaker 1: say Breese Hall. So yeah, he had promising freshman season
Speaker 1: at Iowa State. Then really gets it rolling fifteen hundred
Speaker 1: and seventy two rushing yards as a sophomore, fourteen hundred
Speaker 1: and seventy two rushing yards and just under eighteen hundred
Speaker 1: yards from scrimmage as a junior, with forty six tds
Speaker 1: in those two seasons, and aims breakaway, speed, run, vision, patience,
Speaker 1: Um Like, I don't know, bug man. I've gone back
Speaker 1: and watch more of Bruce Hall these past couple of weeks,
Speaker 1: and it seems like he's got I don't know how
Speaker 1: to even articulate this, but maybe a good understanding of
Speaker 1: play design, Like he seems to know what his blockers blocking,
Speaker 1: what his blockers are trying to Patience and vision, Yeah,
Speaker 1: very late, Levi on bell Esque a patient runner with
Speaker 1: good vision. So I'm absolutely with you on brief Salt.
Speaker 1: The thing for me with brief Sault, since we're both
Speaker 1: you know, Number one on this guy is his ability
Speaker 1: from day one. He's going to be able to drop
Speaker 1: in and be a three down back for whatever team
Speaker 1: he plays for. You know, I feel like this is
Speaker 1: an easy comparison because and I get this a lot,
Speaker 1: and I get this in my head and sometimes I
Speaker 1: can't get it out. But another guy that played at
Speaker 1: the same school, I'll have another comp of this nature
Speaker 1: later in the show. But David Montgomery, but like he
Speaker 1: is a little bit better at everything, I feel like
Speaker 1: than David Montgomery or you know, a cheap man's Matt Forte.
Speaker 1: I think that Matt Forte is about his ceiling, which
Speaker 1: is an incredible ceiling. Remember Matt Forte was a number
Speaker 1: one RB off boards just a few years back. I
Speaker 1: say a few years probably ten years at this point.
Speaker 1: But you know, I feel like these are very very
Speaker 1: similar players. There are three down backs where you know
Speaker 1: this this type of a back is being phased out.
Speaker 1: I guess the issues, if you had them, were, you know,
Speaker 1: probably more about the guys that he played with at
Speaker 1: Iowa State than about him. So you know, and I
Speaker 1: know there are other people that have been talking about
Speaker 1: how you know, why isn't this running back class being
Speaker 1: talked up as much as last year's. I do think
Speaker 1: it is underrated this class and Bruese Hall sits at
Speaker 1: the top. We both like Kenny Walker too. It's not
Speaker 1: a knock against him, but I think it's more of
Speaker 1: an infatuation specifically with leagues going you know, more and
Speaker 1: more every day towards PPR because so many backs are
Speaker 1: catching the ball, And I think that is Breese Hall's
Speaker 1: best part of his game is running routes and catching
Speaker 1: the ball. And when he gets into a system that's
Speaker 1: going to use that, or if he goes to a
Speaker 1: team that is down a lot, he's not gonna be
Speaker 1: coming off the field. So there are just so many
Speaker 1: ways for Haul to score you points. I think he's
Speaker 1: gonna be good kind of regardless of draft spot, right yep.
Speaker 1: I think so even if you go, like we've talked
Speaker 1: about this possible landing spots, if he goes to somewhere
Speaker 1: like Atlanta and Houston, Yeah, you don't love the touchdown
Speaker 1: potential there, but you do love the fact that he's
Speaker 1: going to dominate touches it touch the ball four hundred times.
Speaker 1: It'd be like Naji Harris and Christian McCaffrey. Right spots,
Speaker 1: It'll be ridiculous, exactly. And maybe you would hope he
Speaker 1: goes to a little bit better of an offense and
Speaker 1: maybe as to share the ball a little bit ala
Speaker 1: Javante Williams last year. Yeah, I mean, just better for
Speaker 1: his long term outlook. So all right, so we both
Speaker 1: got our number one here. So who was number two
Speaker 1: on Fitz's RB border or just the guy that you
Speaker 1: want to plan a flag on here. All right, So
Speaker 1: this is a guy I kind of became fond of
Speaker 1: late in the process, Fogman. It was Brian Robinson, And
Speaker 1: I guess the reason one of the reasons I was
Speaker 1: slow to come around is because he's an older prospect.
Speaker 1: You know, it was at Alabama for five years. One
Speaker 1: of the reasons he was at Alabama for that long
Speaker 1: he was waiting his turn behind the likes of Josh
Speaker 1: Jacobs all the other guys in the NFL. Yeah, that
Speaker 1: Harris is Damian and Naji, And yes, I don't like
Speaker 1: Brian Robinson as much as I like those guys, but
Speaker 1: well those guys are all pretty exceptional prospects. And at
Speaker 1: six two and two twenty four, like, Robinson is going
Speaker 1: to have a place in the NFL. And he really
Speaker 1: has that early down banger skill set, Like he is
Speaker 1: a downhill runner, you know, and like not a slow
Speaker 1: guy either. Four to five three at that size is
Speaker 1: an eighty fifth percentile speed score. So like once he
Speaker 1: gets going downhill, man, he is a rolling ball of
Speaker 1: butcher knives to try to tackle, and you know, like
Speaker 1: very productive. That that last year at Alabama when he
Speaker 1: finally got his chance. Thirteen hundred and forty three rushing yards,
Speaker 1: two hundred nine six receiving yards. Not a bad pass
Speaker 1: catcher either, sixteen touchdown so decent feet, decent hands. I
Speaker 1: think he's going to fit right in as like an
Speaker 1: early down, battering ram, rotational back for someone. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: like Brian Robinson a lot too. You had him on
Speaker 1: the board, but there are a couple other guys I
Speaker 1: like here as well, so I didn't put him on
Speaker 1: my board, but I'm glad you brought him up because
Speaker 1: Brian Robinson. You know, I think one thing that gets
Speaker 1: lost in the shuffle of all of these great RS
Speaker 1: scores and Spark scores and whatever you want to say
Speaker 1: from the combine is the guys that tested really well,
Speaker 1: but they're not at that elite level like most guys are.
Speaker 1: But if you dropped them into any other class, they
Speaker 1: would be pretty strong. And Robinson is one of those
Speaker 1: guys where he's a huge back. He runs fast, may
Speaker 1: not be the best pass catcher, but that is something
Speaker 1: It's not like he can't do it. You know that
Speaker 1: that is one of the things he doesn't have. Frying
Speaker 1: pants for hands. He doesn't know how to. You know,
Speaker 1: it's not like he never will be on the field
Speaker 1: on third downs at all. The guy, the guy can play.
Speaker 1: And you know, even even if he's not a fully
Speaker 1: functional number one back like Bruce Hall, coming in doesn't
Speaker 1: mean he can't learn and grow, because all these guys
Speaker 1: are still learning and growing, even the older prospects. So
Speaker 1: I love that you came around on an older guy.
Speaker 1: We gotta we gotta be okay with some of these
Speaker 1: older guys, pat you know, with our age exactly. So
Speaker 1: you know, I think Tom Brady's the only guy left
Speaker 1: in the the NFL older than me. So we're just getting
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Speaker 1: you know, I think James Cook is way closer to
Speaker 1: his brother Dalvin than I think he is getting credit
Speaker 1: for it now. He's definitely a pass catching back first,
Speaker 1: and he does that amazingly well. I mean, if you
Speaker 1: watch any of the college football playoffs, you saw him
Speaker 1: put on performance. He was cooking linebackers and safeties and
Speaker 1: even corners. He was beating on shake routes and stuff.
Speaker 1: I mean, the guy is an absolute dime as a
Speaker 1: cast as a pass catcher, and the explosiveness and the
Speaker 1: ability to make defenders miss make him dangerous enough to
Speaker 1: be a home run threat on every single touch. So
Speaker 1: you know, this is a guy that is probably going
Speaker 1: to be a b in a system when he starts.
Speaker 1: Wherever he goes, he's probably going to be the second back,
Speaker 1: unless you know, he gets drafted by Houston or Atlanta
Speaker 1: or one of these teams that has no lead back
Speaker 1: at all. But the nice thing about a guy like
Speaker 1: James Cook is that you don't have to have him
Speaker 1: touch the ball thirty times for him to be productive.
Speaker 1: If he gets fifteen touches, which would probably be a
Speaker 1: lot for a guy like him, especially a rookie, one
Speaker 1: of those is gonna go is gonna break for a
Speaker 1: big gainer. You know, he might have a couple three
Speaker 1: seven fours like that, but one of those is gonna
Speaker 1: be twenty. One of those is gonna be fifteen. In
Speaker 1: a first down, he's gonna have a catch for a
Speaker 1: huge play down the field. So I think this guy
Speaker 1: is gonna be good for one big play a game,
Speaker 1: maybe he scores on it, And the more big place
Speaker 1: he makes early, the more teams are gonna want him
Speaker 1: to be on the field. On a consistent basis. So
Speaker 1: I think this is a guy that, specifically for Dynasty
Speaker 1: you draft. You can get him a little bit later
Speaker 1: than a bunch of these big backs that are going
Speaker 1: to go that are potential three down guys. You can
Speaker 1: get him a little bit later and you can watch
Speaker 1: him develop and grow into a bigger role. Plenty of
Speaker 1: guys have done this. Austin Ekeler is the best one.
Speaker 1: Austin Eckler's way undersized compared to James Cook, but he
Speaker 1: just has that mentality, He has that ability to stay
Speaker 1: on the field, he has the ability to make a
Speaker 1: big play. I think James Cook is in the same
Speaker 1: type of mold as his brother, but he just doesn't
Speaker 1: receive enough credit for it yet. So pat your thoughts
Speaker 1: on James Cook. Yeah, I think you're right, Bogman. What
Speaker 1: we're going to get from him at minimum is a
Speaker 1: Naheim Hines type back who's gonna come in and be
Speaker 1: that passing down guy. But what if he's more than that.
Speaker 1: If he is, as you mentioned, closer to his brother
Speaker 1: Dalvin or closer to Austin Eckler, and we were just
Speaker 1: kind of thrown off the trail by his workshare with
Speaker 1: Zamir White, Like what if he's capable of handling more?
Speaker 1: But we just didn't see it. So I like that
Speaker 1: call a lot safe floor and maybe a higher ceiling
Speaker 1: than a lot of people. Think. What, who is going
Speaker 1: to be your third back? You plan we're going to
Speaker 1: do four total here? So we both have Breese. Your
Speaker 1: second guy was Robinson, mine was James Cook. So who's
Speaker 1: number three for you? I'm gonna go with Rashad White,
Speaker 1: and like James Cook. This is largely predicated on White's
Speaker 1: potential as a passing down back. His last season at
Speaker 1: Arizona State forty three catches, four hundred and fifty six
Speaker 1: yards and a touchdown as a receiver, three down skill set.
Speaker 1: He's good in pass pro. I think he can come
Speaker 1: in and do that right away for an NFL team,
Speaker 1: and there is potential for more. We didn't really see
Speaker 1: the full spectrum of his rushing ability, I think at
Speaker 1: Arizona State. I mean he did have a thousand yards
Speaker 1: his last season there, but um, you know, with four
Speaker 1: or four eight speed and decent size, I think he's
Speaker 1: six feet like around two to fourteen two fifteen, Um, Like,
Speaker 1: there's potential there, but I think a minimum. He can
Speaker 1: come in and be someone's passing down back, very much
Speaker 1: like James Cook in that regard. Yeah, and he's got
Speaker 1: enough size to be more than James Cook too, so
Speaker 1: I'm I'm definitely in on him. You know, Arizona State
Speaker 1: had some struggles this year. Daniels took a step back
Speaker 1: end up transferring, so their offense didn't look exactly the same.
Speaker 1: They've really been missing Brandon Auk on that squad for sure,
Speaker 1: and they've They've had some some good players there, but
Speaker 1: I mean Rashad White, it was kind of at the
Speaker 1: end of the year. Everyone knew what was coming and
Speaker 1: they still couldn't stop him. So any any guy like that, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, you like to have on your list. So
Speaker 1: I like that pick. I'm gonna go right back to
Speaker 1: Georgia for my third back, and I'm gonna go with
Speaker 1: Zamir White. And I gotta be honest, it surprised me
Speaker 1: because I think my initial thought of Zamir White is Okay,
Speaker 1: you know, here's a dude that is at Georgia, and
Speaker 1: Georgia splits time with everybody, right, every back is split there.
Speaker 1: But they've had some incredible guys come out of there,
Speaker 1: and I think a good comp would be Sonny Michelle,
Speaker 1: but with more speed. You know, Sony Michelle was a
Speaker 1: very much a first second down runner. That's it got
Speaker 1: drafted by New England. That's what they wanted him for.
Speaker 1: Didn't really work out, so they cast him asunder and
Speaker 1: here comes in Damien Harris to run the exact same role,
Speaker 1: not really a pass catcher, not that Damien Harris can't
Speaker 1: do it. And I think it's the same deal here
Speaker 1: with my guy, Zamir White. I didn't expect to like
Speaker 1: him because he kind of got beat out by James
Speaker 1: Cook for some of that those you know, for some
Speaker 1: of those downs. But when I look at James Cook
Speaker 1: and I go, God, how can you keep this guy
Speaker 1: off the field? That's kind of my thought process. It's
Speaker 1: the same thing for Samir White. He's a first second
Speaker 1: down runner. He's the opposite of what James Cook is.
Speaker 1: He probably won't be a huge factor in the passing game,
Speaker 1: but he can catch the ball running routes is in
Speaker 1: his quote yet because they just let James Cook do
Speaker 1: all of that work. But I think you see what
Speaker 1: New England did with Damien Harrison. Of course they're a
Speaker 1: perfect scenario for a guy like Samir White. So whatever
Speaker 1: situation lands, and it may not be as good as
Speaker 1: that one, but if he lands in a good situation
Speaker 1: and he can get first and second down, I think,
Speaker 1: you know, he's just that type of grinder, even though
Speaker 1: he's not as big as most grinders are. He's not
Speaker 1: as big as The Son of Michelle was coming out.
Speaker 1: You know, he weighed in two fourteen, which I mean
Speaker 1: two fourteen. He looks like he plays with two thirty,
Speaker 1: you know, so two fourteen was a little surprising. Five
Speaker 1: to eleven. So he's under six feet, but he has
Speaker 1: enough wiggle to make a guy miss, and he's got
Speaker 1: enough speed to make them pay dearly for missing. So
Speaker 1: I think that those two factors are my favorite for
Speaker 1: Zamir White. And I think if he lands in a
Speaker 1: good situation, you know, if they drafted him, you know, Houston, Atlanta,
Speaker 1: someone that really needs a back, they draft him and
Speaker 1: let you know, Atlanta would be a perfect scenario. You
Speaker 1: have White run first, second down, and you have Correll
Speaker 1: Patterson to come in and be third, you have Mike
Speaker 1: Davis to come in and be third. However you want
Speaker 1: to work it, I just think that he is that
Speaker 1: grinder type that if drafted to the right scenario, he's
Speaker 1: going to be real good. Now, if he gets drafted
Speaker 1: to Denver, then he's a straight backup, so that is
Speaker 1: going to impede his development. But I think if he
Speaker 1: gets drafted in a good scenario where we could see
Speaker 1: him get that first and second down work, I think
Speaker 1: he's gonna earn a pretty big role quickly. So your
Speaker 1: thoughts on Zamir White out of Georgia. It is always
Speaker 1: interesting to try to figure out what to do with
Speaker 1: guys who come from good to three headed backfields in college.
Speaker 1: And the one interesting one, and we brought it up earlier,
Speaker 1: was the Alabama situation when they had Josh Jacobs, Damien Harris, Naji, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: and we we kind of had an inkling that all
Speaker 1: all of those guys were really good, and sure enough,
Speaker 1: they are all like, you know, lead guys or heads
Speaker 1: of committees in the NFL. And as recently as last year,
Speaker 1: we saw with Javonte Williams and Michael Carter where like
Speaker 1: you could kind of make the argument, while Javonte Williams
Speaker 1: is so good, why was Michael Carter playing that beggar? Roll,
Speaker 1: and it's like kind of a fallacy to come out
Speaker 1: from that perspective. Like Zamir White and James Cooker are
Speaker 1: both very good college running backs and good candidates to
Speaker 1: be no worse than committee backs at the NFL level,
Speaker 1: But maybe there's room for more. Maybe they were just
Speaker 1: so good and kind of vampiring each other's touches in college,
Speaker 1: and we're going to find out that we had both
Speaker 1: of them underrated. Yeah, and we definitely could have. And
Speaker 1: you know, Georgia is you know, everyone expects it from Alabama.
Speaker 1: I guess maybe just a perception because Georgia, you know,
Speaker 1: just won their first national title in a million years
Speaker 1: this year. Is that no one else's Bama. Plenty of
Speaker 1: Power five schools are Alabama that have multiple four star
Speaker 1: guys at different positions and they're just waiting their turn
Speaker 1: in the rotation. And you know, a lot you're you're
Speaker 1: just you're going to see a lot of those guys
Speaker 1: on this list. And there are plenty of guys that
Speaker 1: have you know, split the backfield in college and they
Speaker 1: don't have anyone that talented next to them in the
Speaker 1: pros and then become better. I think Damian Harris is
Speaker 1: a clear example of one of those guys. So, who
Speaker 1: is your last running back for RBS? You got one
Speaker 1: more left? Who's it going to be? Well? Box, When
Speaker 1: we have Matt Waldman and Thorneys trom on our show
Speaker 1: and they are both on the same guy, even though
Speaker 1: he's probably a likely Day three pick. You know two
Speaker 1: talent evaluators that good at what they do and they're
Speaker 1: both on Kennedy Brooks of Oklahoma Oklahoma. So yeah, and
Speaker 1: why not? I mean, Kennedy Brooks had three thousand yard
Speaker 1: seasons at Oklahoma, including his freshman year in twenty eighteen,
Speaker 1: and like, not really an explosive duty. He's not gonna
Speaker 1: wow you with pure speed, but he is just a
Speaker 1: smooth and instinctive dude. He finishes every run. The guy
Speaker 1: just seems like a total gamer. And maybe I think
Speaker 1: modest expectations are kind of the key here because he
Speaker 1: is going to be a Day three guy. He's gonna
Speaker 1: be a dart throw He's going to be a round
Speaker 1: three or round four guy in rookie drafts. We don't
Speaker 1: really know if he can catch because he wasn't asked
Speaker 1: to do that much at Oklahoma. But as a runner,
Speaker 1: I like him a lot, and you know, I feel
Speaker 1: like I've got some pretty good wingmen with Thor and
Speaker 1: Waldman also liking him. Yeah. You know the thing about
Speaker 1: Kennedy Brooks being a Texas fan, I watched a lot
Speaker 1: of the Big Twelve, and it's that they kept trying
Speaker 1: to get someone better than him, and I kept going
Speaker 1: back to him. Yeah, that's kind of what it was
Speaker 1: was they thought, I think it's the explosive thing that
Speaker 1: you mentioned. They're like, well, he's not turn on the Bernie.
Speaker 1: He's not the guy that makes huge plays. But he
Speaker 1: was a guy that kept making consistent plays. And if
Speaker 1: you want to see an example like that, and it's
Speaker 1: probably once again, you know, it's completely biased and all
Speaker 1: that stuff because guy that I watch a lot. But
Speaker 1: I think the prototype of a guy that doesn't have
Speaker 1: crazy explosiveness or runaway speed at the running back position
Speaker 1: is Levion Bell. Now there's not a hundred Leavon Bells, right,
Speaker 1: There's just not. But that is the upper echelon of
Speaker 1: a guy that's not gonna run away. He'd never made huge,
Speaker 1: enormous plays, Levion Bell. He just consistently caught the ball.
Speaker 1: He was there for first downs. He broke tackles, He
Speaker 1: wiggled through a line that looked like there was no hole.
Speaker 1: He found it. And I think that is what you're
Speaker 1: gonna get in Kennedy Brooks. A smart runner, picks you
Speaker 1: up yards from his vision and from his experience and
Speaker 1: not necessarily from his athleticism. So I like that pick. Unfortunately,
Speaker 1: don't tell anyone that I just you know, praised an
Speaker 1: Oklahoma player, but I think it is a decent pick.
Speaker 1: You will notice he's not on my list though, but yeah,
Speaker 1: your secrets safe with me. But yeah, yeah, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: sooner some of my list here, my last running back
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with here is just one of my favorites.
Speaker 1: And the more I watch him, the more I like him.
Speaker 1: Ty Chandler out of UNC and my comp to him
Speaker 1: would be Willie Parker once again, a guy that I
Speaker 1: watched a ton of so I kind of put these
Speaker 1: two together. But the thing for me is the pop
Speaker 1: once he gets past the line, and I know he doesn't.
Speaker 1: You know, he ran a four to three eight, which
Speaker 1: is great. I don't know if he plays at fourty
Speaker 1: three eight. I don't know if anybody really plays at
Speaker 1: four to three eight on the field. That's not tyreek Hill, right,
Speaker 1: But you see that pop when he gets past the line,
Speaker 1: and it's hard to run a guy down when he
Speaker 1: gets a full head of steam running like that, And
Speaker 1: I think that's what you're gonna get out of a
Speaker 1: guy like Ty Chandler is big explosive plays. The reason
Speaker 1: I like him on this list, and I think I
Speaker 1: like him even more than Willie Parker is he combines
Speaker 1: that an unbelievable pop in acceleration past the line. I
Speaker 1: don't know if he's gonna hit a second or third gear,
Speaker 1: but I mean that that pop pass the line is
Speaker 1: so huge. Plus the guy can catch, and he can
Speaker 1: catch the ball in some crazy scenarios contestic catches. He
Speaker 1: runs decent routes. He can get downfield and make a big,
Speaker 1: big downfield play too, So I think he's more complete
Speaker 1: than people are giving him credit for. He's not gonna
Speaker 1: stack moves on moves, but if he makes a guy
Speaker 1: miss and he can wiggle past you or you know,
Speaker 1: get out of a you know, get out of an
Speaker 1: arm tackle or something, he is going to make a
Speaker 1: team pay with a big explosive play. So another guy
Speaker 1: a lot in the mold of James Cook. You know,
Speaker 1: I have Brees Hall's kind of your three down guy.
Speaker 1: You're upper echelon running back. James Cook and Ty Chandler
Speaker 1: are guys to me that are gonna make a big
Speaker 1: play for you. Even if they're not going to touch
Speaker 1: the ball twenty five times a game. You know you
Speaker 1: want them to get fifteen touches and you can have
Speaker 1: faith that one of those is going to pop for
Speaker 1: a big play if they get in the end zone,
Speaker 1: extra bonus. And then I have Zamir White, who is
Speaker 1: your in between the tackles grinder type. So I'm a
Speaker 1: big Ti Chandler fan. Have you watched enough Ty Chandler
Speaker 1: to kind of round out an opinion on him? And
Speaker 1: or are you gonna go back and look now, because
Speaker 1: I'm telling you it looks like Willie Parker that can catch.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to take a second look. But we
Speaker 1: saw the speed at the combine. Wasn't he the fastest
Speaker 1: running back at Yeah? So he is going to be
Speaker 1: on a team, like there's no question to make a
Speaker 1: roster with that sort of speed. Wouldn't surprise me if
Speaker 1: he was returning kicks in his first year, and that
Speaker 1: would definitely be his job to start. Yeah, yeah, And
Speaker 1: I mean, like a guy like that if he's gonna
Speaker 1: get a chance eventually, because that speed is going to
Speaker 1: keep him around, and we know that in the NFL,
Speaker 1: running back is often as much about opportunity as it
Speaker 1: is about talent, right, And I'm I'm excited to see
Speaker 1: him get a chance obviously, probably like you said with
Speaker 1: your last guy here in Brooks, a Day three pick
Speaker 1: most likely, but depending on the landing spot. I'm really
Speaker 1: excited to see where he goes and see if we
Speaker 1: can get him on the field sooner rather than later.
Speaker 1: Let's pop over to the wide receivers, and who is
Speaker 1: your number one wide receiver that you want to plan
Speaker 1: a flag on here fits I'm gonna go with Chris
Speaker 1: Olave Bogman because I think Olave is the safest of
Speaker 1: the first round receivers. Just a smooth, precise route runner
Speaker 1: with killer speed, you know, sub four or four speed
Speaker 1: four point three nine. And we've also seen some pretty
Speaker 1: good hands. We saw him repeatedly, you know, be underneath
Speaker 1: the deep balls from um Stroud Stroud and um Yeah.
Speaker 1: So like the safe floor, i think he's always going
Speaker 1: to be more of an air yards guy than a
Speaker 1: yard's after catch guy like yeah, yeah, Like he's not
Speaker 1: really one of those guys who would just get the
Speaker 1: ball in his hands somehow and watch him after the
Speaker 1: catch like, no, I think you want to get it
Speaker 1: to him downfield because he's going to get himself open downfield.
Speaker 1: And um, you know, never had a thousand yards season
Speaker 1: at Ohio State. But then again, uh, you know, we
Speaker 1: had a COVID year and look who he was sharing
Speaker 1: the field with. Man, Yeah, so much talent there, right, Garrett,
Speaker 1: not only Garrett Wilson, but kJ Hill, Victor Benjamin and
Speaker 1: basically Jamison Williams could not get on the field. Yes,
Speaker 1: so exactly one of the reasons Jamison Williams transferred. So
Speaker 1: um yeah, I just like, I think he's the safest
Speaker 1: guy in the first round and he did it in
Speaker 1: a consistent basis. I know that Garrett Wilson probably has
Speaker 1: more public love than Chris Olave does in this pre
Speaker 1: draft process and everything, but Olive did it for longer
Speaker 1: and was the number one wide receiver for longer than
Speaker 1: Garrett Wilson was. And they're gonna have a Jackson Smith
Speaker 1: and Jigba is gonna be probably the number one wide
Speaker 1: receiver on boards next year, and he's just put up
Speaker 1: three hundred yards in the Roads Bowl. Guy is incredible.
Speaker 1: So at all those guys on the field Rucker, who
Speaker 1: we're gonna be talking about later, plus all those big
Speaker 1: backs that are going to be coming out of Ohio
Speaker 1: State as well, and this guy was consistently putting up numbers.
Speaker 1: I am on board with you, loving Chris Ollave. This
Speaker 1: class is so good up top. It is really really good.
Speaker 1: But my number one, and I knows a guy you're
Speaker 1: gonna mention, I'm glad I get to talk about him
Speaker 1: first between us because he's my favorite wide receiver in
Speaker 1: this class. I'm sticking to my guns. I thought I
Speaker 1: was maybe gonna switch because, like I said, I can
Speaker 1: get a little Pollyanna with prospects, Like I want to
Speaker 1: see the good. You know, the bad can be worked
Speaker 1: on in most cases. Nless it's like real bad forty time,
Speaker 1: real slow speeds like that, Like Jalen Widermeyer is the
Speaker 1: example of you know, he looks good on the field,
Speaker 1: but then you see these unbelievably terrible numbers and you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: you're not going to keep up, not with all these
Speaker 1: other tight ends that are running, you know, sub five forties,
Speaker 1: it's just you're not gonna work out. So but Traylon
Speaker 1: Burks is my favorite wide receiver in this class. Came
Speaker 1: in a little bit smaller than we expected him. You know,
Speaker 1: I think he's listed at six fourth the whole time
Speaker 1: six two. He plays like he's six six. I mean,
Speaker 1: he just does. When you see him out there with
Speaker 1: rough quarterbacking at Arkansas, you know, you see him run
Speaker 1: short routes and immediate routes. They use them like Deebo Samuel.
Speaker 1: They put him in the backfield, they run a reverse
Speaker 1: with them. The guy's got all kinds of versatility and
Speaker 1: the most impressive part of his game is the yards
Speaker 1: after catch where he runs around through by wiggles away.
Speaker 1: However he can get away from a defender. He is
Speaker 1: going to make it happen, and he's gonna get big
Speaker 1: chunkyards when he gets the ball in his hands. So
Speaker 1: I think there's gonna be a lot of plays designed
Speaker 1: by whatever team picks him up to throw to him
Speaker 1: short and let him go, because that is exactly what
Speaker 1: he does. He did it in the SEC with rough
Speaker 1: quarterback play and against the top defenders in the nation.
Speaker 1: So I think the whole, the whole resume is there
Speaker 1: for him to succeed in the NFL. I know that
Speaker 1: the knock on him is his route running, but when
Speaker 1: you have quarterback play like you do at Arkansas, you know,
Speaker 1: if you come in and you go and you know
Speaker 1: have now Matt Ryan is your quarterback, and you know
Speaker 1: he's gonna be accurate. Now you can start running to
Speaker 1: a spot. I think all we wanted from him in
Speaker 1: college is those short plays to get the ball in
Speaker 1: his hands. So I think his route running is going
Speaker 1: to be able to improve at the next level as well,
Speaker 1: and he'll become the best wide receiver in this class.
Speaker 1: So I know he's not your favorite wide receiver in
Speaker 1: this class, but I mean my comp is Brandon Marshall,
Speaker 1: and Brandon Marshall is one of my favorite players. A
Speaker 1: little bit taller, a little bit leaner than Burks, but
Speaker 1: I see a lot of similarities in their game here. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I like it Boggs and uh yes, knocks on his
Speaker 1: route running. But is it that he can't run routes
Speaker 1: or is it that their quarterbacking was so bad they
Speaker 1: were just trying to get the ball in his hand
Speaker 1: any which way possible, So manufacturing stuff on a lot
Speaker 1: of short stuff, you know, like Deebo Samuel usage even
Speaker 1: sort of like a giant Rondale Moore the way he
Speaker 1: used in college. You know, I like that one and
Speaker 1: I'm more yeah, and I'm with you, Bogs. I mean,
Speaker 1: like when Olave has got CJ. Stroud and justin fields
Speaker 1: getting him the ball, like he's able to make flash
Speaker 1: that route running ability because he's got guys who can
Speaker 1: get him the ball deep and you know at the
Speaker 1: intermediate level of the field like Burkes didn't have that.
Speaker 1: But what he does, I mean, he is just this
Speaker 1: walking mismatch. And yes, we thought he was six three
Speaker 1: turned out to be six two, but two twenty four,
Speaker 1: huge hands, really strong, like functional strength, just like totally
Speaker 1: shucks off the press, you know, like that's why he's
Speaker 1: so good with the yak too, you know. Yeah, because
Speaker 1: those corners can't tackle him, and he's gonna stiff arm
Speaker 1: a corner of the ground. You better hope he doesn't
Speaker 1: catch it because it's gonna be a real hard time.
Speaker 1: You got to like, you know, drag on him and
Speaker 1: wait for the safety to help you. Every corner is
Speaker 1: Dion Sanders right now against him in terms of tackling,
Speaker 1: So yep, exactly. And you know it didn't run quite
Speaker 1: as fast as we thought he was going to, but
Speaker 1: he didn't run a bad time. Four or five five
Speaker 1: at that size is plenty fast and he has He's
Speaker 1: shown us game speed, surprising acceleration, surprisingly smooth, and you
Speaker 1: talked about after the catch. This guy is an effort
Speaker 1: player too. He will go up and get the ball.
Speaker 1: He will, you know, try to barrel past two tacklers,
Speaker 1: Like if two guys are up on him. I mean,
Speaker 1: this guy's not going to curl up into the fetal position.
Speaker 1: He's gonna try to go through those two dudes. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he is an effort guy. So I'm with you, man,
Speaker 1: he is a fun player. Yeah. Do you have a
Speaker 1: different comp because Brandon Marshall is my favorite friend I
Speaker 1: don't like with the size. I always look at him
Speaker 1: and I think, like Dez Bryant, but that's probably not
Speaker 1: a good comp I mean, like Dez Bryant was more
Speaker 1: of a like he was a really good yeah and
Speaker 1: a boundary specialist, and I don't think Burks is going
Speaker 1: to be that kind of guy. So I like your
Speaker 1: comp a little bit better. So I'm gonna give you
Speaker 1: my second guy here since Berks was your number two. Right,
Speaker 1: So we're both inn on Burks, and we've talked about
Speaker 1: this guy and I kind of put him at the
Speaker 1: head of tier to George Pickens and my comp to him.
Speaker 1: This is what I said, I've watched too much of
Speaker 1: the same school, but aj Green and George Pickens are
Speaker 1: very very similar coming out of Georgia to me, and
Speaker 1: they both of course went to Georgia. But the thing
Speaker 1: that stands out when you watch Pickens, there's two things.
Speaker 1: It's the catch radius is number one. You know, sets
Speaker 1: in Bennett. I don't know if sets and Bennett is
Speaker 1: a pro prospect. You know, it's hard to say no
Speaker 1: because he just won a national title and all that stuff,
Speaker 1: But I just don't think he's gonna be there. So
Speaker 1: we'll see this year if he can earn his way
Speaker 1: up and be a pro prospect. But all you gotta
Speaker 1: do if Pickens is on one on one, just throw
Speaker 1: it up. He's coming down with that ball. He's got,
Speaker 1: you know, solid vertical and he is going to make
Speaker 1: that catch. The fifty fifty ball two Pickens is an
Speaker 1: eighty twenty ball, which is what you like. I know
Speaker 1: a lot of I love Nikkil Harry because he turned
Speaker 1: eighty twenty balls, you know, fifty fifty balls in eighty
Speaker 1: twenty balls. The problem was with Harry he didn't have separation.
Speaker 1: There are plenty of plays where you see Pickens wide open.
Speaker 1: He has dusted that corner, he has found the hole
Speaker 1: in the zone, or he has pretty good hand fighting
Speaker 1: to push off a corner, which you know, might get
Speaker 1: you a little offensive pass interference at the next level.
Speaker 1: But he can push off a guy and still go
Speaker 1: up one handed and make it catch. So Pickens just
Speaker 1: being a I think he's gonna be a better pro
Speaker 1: because he had issues at Georgia, just in terms of,
Speaker 1: you know, staying healthy. That these numbers that he ran,
Speaker 1: by the way, which were fairly solid during the combine,
Speaker 1: were less than a year removed from ACL surgery, so
Speaker 1: he had a little bit of injury stuff. But he
Speaker 1: ran a four four seven at six foot three one
Speaker 1: nine five two five seven twenty yards split, one and
Speaker 1: a half ten split hit ten foot five inch broad jump.
Speaker 1: So his relative athletics score ended up being nine point
Speaker 1: six five. Um, you know, during the or excuse me,
Speaker 1: nine point three seven during this process, which is just
Speaker 1: you know, well well well above average. So I'm definitely
Speaker 1: in on Pickens. What are your thoughts on him going
Speaker 1: into this process here with you Box, I think if
Speaker 1: he had not gotten hurts, like if you know, based
Speaker 1: on the trajectory of his freshman year, like, if he
Speaker 1: hadn't gotten hurt, we might be talking about him being
Speaker 1: in the running to be the first guy off the board.
Speaker 1: It's it's entirely possible. Definitely like a ball in the
Speaker 1: air specialist. Yeah, you know, I could see him making
Speaker 1: a lot of acrobatics sideline catches in the NFL. And
Speaker 1: the opposite of Burkes, They're not going to run a
Speaker 1: ton of short stuff for pickings. He's gonna be way
Speaker 1: more of a downfield threat. Yeah, he is going to
Speaker 1: be a deep a dot guy I think in the NFL.
Speaker 1: And so the AJ Green like physically looking at him
Speaker 1: in uniform, Yes, he looks like AJ Green. It's the
Speaker 1: same body type exactly. So Um, you know, I don't know,
Speaker 1: like I've heard, and I you know, don't want to
Speaker 1: level any accusations here. I've heard maybe he's not like
Speaker 1: the greatest locker room guy. It's had some issues picking,
Speaker 1: so we'll we'll see, we'll see. Yeah, but um, I
Speaker 1: think there's a kind of a wide range of outcomes here, Yes,
Speaker 1: very much. So you know, I know my packers have
Speaker 1: had him in for a visit, I believe, so he'd
Speaker 1: be an interesting pairing with Aaron Rodgers. Yeah, man, so, um,
Speaker 1: I'm very intrigued. Yeah. Interesting. Who's number three for you?
Speaker 1: Jehan Datson and he's going to be a second round guy,
Speaker 1: but um, another speed guy, Bogs. I mean, the guy's
Speaker 1: just got like speed and four four three speed, but
Speaker 1: like it totally shows up on the field. And he's
Speaker 1: also one of these guys who's like surprisingly good on
Speaker 1: balls in the air, like for a smaller guy. I
Speaker 1: mean he's five eleven, one eighty four. He kind of
Speaker 1: reminds me of Tyreek Hill in that regard. Yeah, like
Speaker 1: just a guy that small should not be good, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, like this contested catch, high point of ball guy,
Speaker 1: but he kind of is really good hands, really good hands,
Speaker 1: and like I know, he was another guy you know
Speaker 1: for this past year, kind of a manufactured touch guy.
Speaker 1: But I mean in the game against my Wisconsin Badgers,
Speaker 1: like he cooked us deep a couple of times. It
Speaker 1: looks like a different player in the in the Big Ten.
Speaker 1: The Big Ten is a great conference, and he looks
Speaker 1: like he should be, Like he's you know Varsi guy
Speaker 1: playing on JV there. Yeah, and look someone I Anthony
Speaker 1: Amiko guy really respect on Twitter and like a friend
Speaker 1: of mine, Like he kind of wandered aloud on Twitter, like, well,
Speaker 1: you know, why was Dotson out produced by kJ Hamler
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty And it's like, I mean that's not
Speaker 1: necessarily the worst. That Handler's a good guy, and it
Speaker 1: wasn't like Dotson was skunk that year, like fifty two catches,
Speaker 1: eight hundred and eighty four yards eight catches as a junior,
Speaker 1: and then this year Noah Hamdler ninety one catches almost
Speaker 1: twelve hundred yards twelve to So I think he's a
Speaker 1: better version of Himmer. Yeah yeah, but just speed, super
Speaker 1: good hands and a surprisingly good contested catch guy. I
Speaker 1: like him a lot, stack on, stack on stack. My
Speaker 1: next guy, Jalen Tuilbert out of South Alabama, I think
Speaker 1: the easy comp and I'm gonna have it from the
Speaker 1: next two guys here. Deontay Johnson, Deontay Johnson. This is
Speaker 1: just the ability to catch the ball in a tight
Speaker 1: space is incredible for Jalen Tilbert. And you know, coming
Speaker 1: from South Alabama, another guy that didn't have the best
Speaker 1: QB play, so he had a lot of contested catches
Speaker 1: to make and he made them. His ball tracking is unbelievable,
Speaker 1: just being able to follow the ball and watch it
Speaker 1: into his hands. I mean, that's why he has such
Speaker 1: good hands. And he didn't put up unbelievably impressive combine numbers,
Speaker 1: right his four four nine, which is fine, just you know,
Speaker 1: over six foot one, under two hundred pounds, so a
Speaker 1: little bit skinny, decent broad, okay, vertical, all that stuff.
Speaker 1: But for me, it's just the fact that he is
Speaker 1: going to be a big play threat on every down.
Speaker 1: He's going to be a guy that stretches the field,
Speaker 1: that moves that safety back a step or two so
Speaker 1: that your other guys get open. And until you start
Speaker 1: believing that Jalen Tolbert is a threat, he is going
Speaker 1: to win. He is going to win those matchups one
Speaker 1: on one against those corners. He's going to have some
Speaker 1: big play So I'm very, very excited to see Tilbert
Speaker 1: at the next level. You have any opinion on Tolbert.
Speaker 1: I gotta admit I've seen highlights Spagman, but not a
Speaker 1: lot of pure film because he is the small school
Speaker 1: South Alabama guy. But I know that a lot of
Speaker 1: smart people, including you, including I think Derek Brown talked
Speaker 1: about him today on my podcast, Like a lot of
Speaker 1: sharp people are on him. So I'm gonna be really
Speaker 1: curious to see where he goes. I've heard that he might,
Speaker 1: you know, sneak in a day two, but like, put
Speaker 1: him in the right situation, it seems like he could
Speaker 1: be a guy who pops, who is your last wide receiver?
Speaker 1: Here your fourth one? I think you know from past shows,
Speaker 1: I've been kind of fascinated with this guy, David Bell
Speaker 1: of Purdue, Like he had a really disappointing combine time
Speaker 1: ran a four six five. But as we know, Jerry
Speaker 1: Rice ran a four seven one and Quan Bolden ran
Speaker 1: a four seven one, And like, I don't know if
Speaker 1: ak Quan Bolden is a good comp because I don't
Speaker 1: think David Bell is quite that physical a receiver who
Speaker 1: is exactly but he's smooth, He's a good route runner,
Speaker 1: he has inside outside versatility. He's not as tough as
Speaker 1: an Kwan Bolden, but he is hard to tackle after
Speaker 1: the catch like, and he's a good athlete. He was
Speaker 1: like a star basketball player at like one of the
Speaker 1: power schools in Indiana in high school. And he's basically
Speaker 1: been productive from day one at Purdue. Came in as
Speaker 1: a nineteen year old freshman and had a thousand yards season.
Speaker 1: Like in the shortened season of twenty twenty, he had
Speaker 1: six hundred and twenty five yards in five games six games. Basically,
Speaker 1: he's averaged about one hundred yards a game over three
Speaker 1: years at Purdue. UM so big time prospect coming into
Speaker 1: YEP five star like number one wide receiver two so
Speaker 1: six one two O nine so Like, I'm not worried
Speaker 1: about the lack of pure speed. I just think this
Speaker 1: guy can play football. I don't think he's ever going
Speaker 1: to be anyone's number one receiver, but I think he
Speaker 1: pair him with like a field stretcher, and I think
Speaker 1: he can be the sort of like possession guy who
Speaker 1: you know, a Robert Woods type, Yeah, you know Woods,
Speaker 1: a guy another guy who did not run a very
Speaker 1: good time coming into the league, and maybe that affected
Speaker 1: his draft stock. Robert Woods was a baller, and I
Speaker 1: think David Bell is kind of the same type of dude.
Speaker 1: I like that comp. I like that Robert because I
Speaker 1: think that's the ceiling, right, It is that number one
Speaker 1: wide receiver that is getting tons and tons of targets.
Speaker 1: I mean, no, one's number one next to Cooper cup right,
Speaker 1: but you know, still a number one, A one, a
Speaker 1: one B at worst type of a white out is
Speaker 1: his ceiling. So I like that one on Bell. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna reach down a little further here, not too far,
Speaker 1: but a little bit further down from my last one.
Speaker 1: And um, I go with Khalil Shakir, And I always
Speaker 1: thought that, Okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna be the Jalen
Speaker 1: Tolbrik guy, and I'm gonna like him more than Khalil Shakir.
Speaker 1: And then I'll watch Khalil Shakir and I'm like, oh God,
Speaker 1: I like him both so much. They're both very very good. Um.
Speaker 1: I think the difference is that I think Tolbert's a
Speaker 1: little more complete, specifically beating press coverage things like that.
Speaker 1: Um that was a big thing that I saw in
Speaker 1: Walvement's uh you know uh stuff and when I went
Speaker 1: back and rewatched it went okay. That is probably the
Speaker 1: separator between Tolb and Shakier, but they both have this
Speaker 1: uh Deonte Johnson, Um, you know, I think Shakier is
Speaker 1: going to be much better obviously because of the press
Speaker 1: coverage playing from the slot, which is what he's gonna
Speaker 1: be best at. But I think if he plays from
Speaker 1: the slot, he's going to be a guy that is
Speaker 1: so dependable a lot in terms of production, like Hunter
Speaker 1: renfro Right. He's gonna make those highlight reel catches on
Speaker 1: a regular basis. He's dependable to get open, especially against
Speaker 1: zone and in those short routes because of that first
Speaker 1: step that he's got, and he's got a nose for
Speaker 1: the end zone. He plays with intensity and he can
Speaker 1: play anywhere I want him at the slot, but he
Speaker 1: has played outside. He is run reverses. He's been very,
Speaker 1: very versatile for this boys. He stated offense, and once again,
Speaker 1: another guy a lot like Tilbert coming from a smaller school.
Speaker 1: Those schools you play know who you're going to. They
Speaker 1: know Tilbert's getting the ball, they know Shakier's getting the ball.
Speaker 1: They do things to try to prevent it, and they can't.
Speaker 1: So that's what you like to see from those smaller
Speaker 1: school guys. When you're saying, well, they're not playing the
Speaker 1: best level of competition, Well they're not, but everybody knows
Speaker 1: the ball is going to get into their hands and
Speaker 1: they still can't stop it. I'm a big, big Shakir fan.
Speaker 1: What do you think of him? You use the word
Speaker 1: intensity and you also brought out Hunter Renfro as a
Speaker 1: possible comp and I love that because that's what pops
Speaker 1: when you watch Shakir play that. He's just such a
Speaker 1: freaking gamer man. He is like the guy I think
Speaker 1: coaches are gonna like want on their team. Someone's gonna
Speaker 1: be really happy to get this guy. Yeah, I am
Speaker 1: excited to watch Shakir. We're gonna do tight ends. This
Speaker 1: tight end class. It's lame. I'm not gonna sit here
Speaker 1: in sugarcoat. It's not great, but well we'll stand through
Speaker 1: and get a couple. So do you have two for me?
Speaker 1: Just two tight end prospects? Like you know, I don't
Speaker 1: know if you're gonna mention the top guy we've talked
Speaker 1: about Trey McBride on this show. So he's like it's
Speaker 1: the one star of the show and then it's an
Speaker 1: ensemble cast the rest of it, and it's gonna be
Speaker 1: And like Thorne Eystrom was talking to me about this
Speaker 1: on my show box where he was just saying, like,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a lot of Day three guys. He
Speaker 1: thinks there's gonna be a big tight end run in
Speaker 1: the fourth round. That's when he thinks people are gonna
Speaker 1: be picking their tight ends. And he thinks there are
Speaker 1: a lot of decent candidates and all sorts of He
Speaker 1: thinks it's basically like thirty one flavors at tight ends,
Speaker 1: Like you've got your blockers, you've got your pass catchers.
Speaker 1: So um, yeah, I'll give you a couple. Well, let's
Speaker 1: let's do our shared guy first. Well I left him
Speaker 1: for you, but but okay, so I will I will
Speaker 1: share him with you because I sort of stole him.
Speaker 1: I know you're Jeremy Rockart guy too. Yeah, like a
Speaker 1: you know, he's never had more than three hundred nine
Speaker 1: yards receiving at Ohio Estate. But we have talked about
Speaker 1: this on the show, like when you're just when when
Speaker 1: we were talking about Olave, we're just talking about all
Speaker 1: the talent Argate competition. Yeah, all they asked him to
Speaker 1: do was block and then when they had him catch,
Speaker 1: he made big plays. And we've seen him make some
Speaker 1: big plays in playoff games, like he showed up in
Speaker 1: some of the big ones. So I like this guy,
Speaker 1: Like he just like looks the part. He had a
Speaker 1: good senior bawl. I know, like Derek Brown was talking
Speaker 1: about how he really, you know, wowed him at the
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl. Um say, five two fifty. I just think
Speaker 1: he's going to be a good move tight end for
Speaker 1: someone in the NFL. Yeah, who's number two for you?
Speaker 1: Because I also I'm a big Rocker fan. I think
Speaker 1: it's super underrated and I think once a team started
Speaker 1: looking at his film, I would not be shocked to
Speaker 1: see him be the number two tight end off the board.
Speaker 1: I think McBride's definitely first, but I think Rutgert is
Speaker 1: going to be two. I'll wear my Wisconsin bias on
Speaker 1: my sleeve. Five man, and here it is Jake Ferguson man.
Speaker 1: I mean he's been the best pass catcher at Wisconsin
Speaker 1: for like the last three years, Like he has been
Speaker 1: the go to pass catcher as a tight end, same
Speaker 1: size as Ruckert, six five two fifty, just good ball
Speaker 1: skills man like, he is really good at like contested catches.
Speaker 1: He's fearless. I mean he will like stick his neck
Speaker 1: out when he knows there's someone who's going to come
Speaker 1: in and deliver him a hit right as he catches
Speaker 1: the ball, and he doesn't care. And uh, pretty good
Speaker 1: bloodlines being the son of Barry Alva as the guy
Speaker 1: who you know built the Wisconsin program. Yeah, I mean, look,
Speaker 1: I like Ferguson a ton. Uh. And if we want
Speaker 1: to talk about guys with some rough quarterback play, Mertz
Speaker 1: might be the worst ten starting quarterback, you know, thank you.
Speaker 1: Hopefully hopefully he'll take a step up, but he was
Speaker 1: terrible last year. Um, I got two for you. These
Speaker 1: are dart throws. You know, most sight ends are gonna
Speaker 1: be dart throws after you get past you know, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna say, like McBride, Dull, Kitch Rutger, those guys, you're
Speaker 1: gonna have a lot of dart throws Johnny Woods. And
Speaker 1: it's not production. He played high school. Uh, he played
Speaker 1: quarterback in high school, so it's not a production thing.
Speaker 1: It's a six seven two sixty one ran a unbelievable
Speaker 1: forty time at UM I put the no at four
Speaker 1: to six one. Here I thought, I said, four oh one,
Speaker 1: I gotta get glasses four to six one here at
Speaker 1: six seven two sixty one. You know, he's a Feldman freak.
Speaker 1: He's still learning a position, but he's an unbelievably hard worker.
Speaker 1: He's not a great blocker yet, but at six seven
Speaker 1: two sixty and one, all you gotta do is get
Speaker 1: in the way. Just stand in the way right. You
Speaker 1: don't have to much outside of that, and the yak
Speaker 1: blocking are not there, but he's going to get open
Speaker 1: and he's going to make big plays down this scene.
Speaker 1: So I'm excited to see what team drafts Lanni Woods
Speaker 1: and see where he can go. He is a project.
Speaker 1: I have. My second one is a bigger project. It
Speaker 1: is the San Diego State product Daniel Belancher, who I
Speaker 1: think is the cheap version of Jeremy Rutgert. So you
Speaker 1: probably have to be in a bigger league to draft
Speaker 1: a guy like Belancher. He may not he may not
Speaker 1: amount to anything in the passing game, but his blocking
Speaker 1: is going to keep him on the field wherever he goes.
Speaker 1: He is going to be able to block in you know,
Speaker 1: be a big contributor in the run game, which will
Speaker 1: earn him more opportunities. I think he was underutilized at
Speaker 1: San Diego State a lot like Rutgert was under utilize
Speaker 1: at Ohio State, and that he can be a good
Speaker 1: pass catcher. So but he is the biggest art throw
Speaker 1: I have on this list for sure, and the only
Speaker 1: reason I have him on this list because you took Rucker.
Speaker 1: So but that's okay. That is going to wrap it
Speaker 1: up for us this week. Catch fits at fits, underscore
Speaker 1: f F. What is coming up for you? You know
Speaker 1: this week here, Well, we've got draft prep going. We're
Speaker 1: continuing to expand our Dynasty Draft Kit, which is just
Speaker 1: sort of, you know, it continues to grow. It's sort
Speaker 1: of a breathing living thing. And we're gonna be updating
Speaker 1: a lot of the player profile player profiles after the draft,
Speaker 1: and we're gonna be doing a big Bestball kit after
Speaker 1: the NFL Draft because that is the height of bestball season.
Speaker 1: A lot of people in those best ball streets once
Speaker 1: the drafts has gone down. So we're getting fired up
Speaker 1: for that. Yeah, absolutely for me. I'll have a show
Speaker 1: on in this league this week about the NFL Draft
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