Speaker 1: Welcome back to everybody.
Speaker 2: It's this Fantasy Pros Dynasty Fantasy Football podcast on your
Speaker 2: host Scott Bogmin. Follow me on the Twitter apt Bogman Sports.
Speaker 2: I'm joined as always by Pat Fitzmorris FITSI at Fits Underscore.
Speaker 1: Ff. How you doing, man, how's the offseason treating you?
Speaker 3: Bog's I'm doing great, man, and the off seasons treat
Speaker 3: me well. But doesn't it feel like the season is
Speaker 3: going to be upon us in no time?
Speaker 4: I mean, we've hit that.
Speaker 3: That lull where the NBA and NHL seasons are over,
Speaker 3: it's just baseball.
Speaker 4: And but like that period always goes really fast.
Speaker 3: I mean, my wife always complains about how fast summer
Speaker 3: goes by, and right she's right, like once fourth of
Speaker 3: July hits, you know, it's like a boulder.
Speaker 1: Roll goes into turbo mode exactly.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I usually get some form of seasonal depression
Speaker 2: around right now because there's no basketball that's done. You know,
Speaker 2: I'm not the biggest hockey fan, but the hockey's over.
Speaker 2: You know, we're in the dog days of baseball and
Speaker 2: usually the Diamondbacks are bad. But you know, that's what's
Speaker 2: keeping me up right now. The d backs are pretty good,
Speaker 2: so I'm enjoying that. But yeah, man, like we're hitting
Speaker 2: that like not so much stuff to bet on every day,
Speaker 2: and you know, it's all baseball right now, which we love.
Speaker 2: We're baseball guys, but we want that football back. We
Speaker 2: want we want the camps, we want the news, although
Speaker 2: I do think some news these days is a little
Speaker 2: bit overblown. We are gonna be talking our running back
Speaker 2: ranks are top twenty four and a couple of the
Speaker 2: differences that we have within those top twenty four today
Speaker 2: on the show. But the big news recently fits was
Speaker 2: the Stefan Diggs drama of him missing camp and stuff.
Speaker 2: And I don't even think this is really should have
Speaker 2: been a story at all. I think in the seventies,
Speaker 2: nobody knows that this happened because he was back in
Speaker 2: one day. It's just we have Twitter now, so we
Speaker 2: have people tweeting about how Stefan Diggs didn't show up
Speaker 2: for camp or whatever and all that stuff. How do
Speaker 2: you kind of how do you sort through the news
Speaker 2: at this stage in the game when we are so
Speaker 2: far away from the season starting, but we're thirsty for news,
Speaker 2: so it seems like everything is a little overblown at
Speaker 2: this point.
Speaker 3: Yeah, case by case bogs, but I mean I do
Speaker 3: tend to look at this stuff with a gimlet eye
Speaker 3: and a you know, a definite filter, because this seemed
Speaker 3: like a big nothing burger, didn't it Like he missed
Speaker 3: one mass so big.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but he also like puts some cryptic you know,
Speaker 2: messages on Instagram and stuff.
Speaker 1: It's like, come on, you're feeding the fire.
Speaker 3: I know, but we know STEP's been like he's had
Speaker 3: some diva tendencies.
Speaker 4: Right, like as a lot of wide receiver.
Speaker 3: Wide receivers do exactly, so you know, I'm I'm just
Speaker 3: letting it slide. I don't think it's anything to worry
Speaker 3: about now. If DeAndre Hopkins signs with the Bills, then
Speaker 3: then we'll have something to parse and you know, go
Speaker 3: over because that would dramatically affect things. Kiss the value
Speaker 3: of Gabe Davis Khalil here and maybe even goodbye for
Speaker 3: this year.
Speaker 2: I I hope that doesn't happen because that eats it,
Speaker 2: That eats into too many jobs.
Speaker 1: I'd rather take my guests.
Speaker 2: You know, I think your guest is Shakir minus Kincaid
Speaker 2: for this, which means it'll obviously be Gabe Davis, but
Speaker 2: you know, uh that I just I like the fact
Speaker 2: that we can gamble on someone in Buffalo because the
Speaker 2: offense is so good. But yeah, if Hopkins were to
Speaker 2: sign there, it kind of kill most of the value
Speaker 2: for those guys. Is there any other news that that
Speaker 2: you saw recently that had you, you know, feeling good
Speaker 2: or feeling bad about anyone? You know, little little news
Speaker 2: about Javonte, but not enough to really go off of anything.
Speaker 2: And no no rumors for any these running back signings.
Speaker 2: That's We've been waiting on that for months.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm surprised that market has just been you know,
Speaker 3: still water, nothing moving, nothing developing, no rumors even It's
Speaker 3: kind of strange, Bogs. Can I go back to kincaid
Speaker 3: for one second, though, Sure I was, I was just
Speaker 3: looking at something. Since two thousand, there have been twenty
Speaker 3: five tight ends drafted in the first round.
Speaker 4: Bugs.
Speaker 3: How many of those twenty five tight ends finished in
Speaker 3: tight end one range as rookies.
Speaker 2: Two or three? It's not a lot. It's the hardest
Speaker 2: position to transition to in the NFL.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was.
Speaker 3: It was four and man, and now I'm struggling to
Speaker 3: remember them off at top of my head. It was
Speaker 3: like Evan Ingram was one of them, and some of
Speaker 3: the other guys were like.
Speaker 2: Older, probably Kelsey, I mean, well, no, he did nothing. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he did nothing as rookie. Yeah, that's right. He was
Speaker 2: big in his first year. He was healthy. But yeah,
Speaker 2: was Goddard on that list? I feel like got it was?
Speaker 3: It was not a couple some more older. No, was
Speaker 3: wasn't even a first rounder, was he?
Speaker 2: Mark Andrews? You're right, yeah, Mark Andrews is the third rounder.
Speaker 2: I was just thinking of tight ends, total rookie tight ends.
Speaker 2: I wasn't even thinking a first round rookie tight ends.
Speaker 1: Pitts was good. Pitts had to be.
Speaker 4: In that li yars.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, so Pitts Angram Man. One of them was
Speaker 3: h oh gosh, I'm just trying to black one was
Speaker 3: from the early two thousands. Really stupid to me to
Speaker 3: bring this up box without having that note in front
Speaker 3: of me.
Speaker 1: So I could is it Anthony Becked, I'm trying to anti.
Speaker 3: Back, but it was amazing, and like, in looking at that,
Speaker 3: how many of these guys like weren't even in tight
Speaker 3: end forty range. It just reminds you of what a
Speaker 3: poor percentage play rookie tight ends are, and even though
Speaker 3: I'm excited about this class long term for dynasty in redraft,
Speaker 3: I'm like, I'm not going to be drafting many rookie
Speaker 3: tight ends unless I can get really late.
Speaker 2: I understand that the tight end is kind of deep
Speaker 2: right now, so we'll get to that when we get
Speaker 2: into tight ends. They were doing running backs, but I
Speaker 2: feel like tight end is a little deep, so I
Speaker 2: feel like it's okay to gamble this year. There's good
Speaker 2: rookie tight ends too. I feel like I feel like
Speaker 2: we're gonna get our fifth from someone, so so we'll see.
Speaker 1: But there's only one first rounders. Yeah, there's only one option.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I keep thinking of rookie total, you know,
Speaker 2: just all rookies. But yeah, you're right, it's just the
Speaker 2: first rounders. So I don't know why that's not working
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Speaker 2: playing smarter, not harder. All right, Fitz, let's get into
Speaker 2: the running backs. We are going to highlight the top
Speaker 2: twelve so the RB ones in your standard twelve man
Speaker 2: league according to us, and then go over our differences.
Speaker 2: So I hand it over to you, FITZI, let's hear
Speaker 2: your RB ones for Dynasty.
Speaker 4: Before I rattle those off, Bogs.
Speaker 3: I thought of one of the other tight ends, Jeremy Shacky.
Speaker 1: Okay, Shocky, that makes so much sense. He was so good.
Speaker 2: I remember him in the Hall of Fame game against
Speaker 2: the Texans. That might have been the Texans first or
Speaker 2: second season. I think it might have been their first season.
Speaker 2: But I remember him just like doing the forearm shivers
Speaker 2: and all that stuff.
Speaker 1: His rookie season. He was a beast.
Speaker 2: He was a lot of fun and a little crazy,
Speaker 2: but a lot of fun to watch.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, he wanted a brawl after like every play.
Speaker 4: He was just knots man.
Speaker 3: But it's yeah, I mean now, like it seems like
Speaker 3: he's I saw an interview with him recently. It seems
Speaker 3: like he's you know, toned it down a little bit,
Speaker 3: but he had some pretty vivid recollections of his career.
Speaker 4: Yep. So we're all young, you know, we're all young exactly,
Speaker 4: all right.
Speaker 3: So my top twelve bogs, it starts at the top
Speaker 3: with bjon Robbinson, you know, looking like a generational talent,
Speaker 3: and Jonathan Taylor number two, Breeshall number three. I'm not
Speaker 3: too discouraged by the knee injury last year, considering it
Speaker 3: was just an ac Altair happened early in the season,
Speaker 3: should be good to go this year. Christian McCaffrey at
Speaker 3: number four. I pulled a little switch of Roo Bogs
Speaker 3: because we're going to talk about these guys. I moved
Speaker 3: up Jamiir Gibbs one spot to number five, and I've
Speaker 3: got Saquon Barkley six now, Najee Harris seven, Josh Jacobs eight,
Speaker 3: Travis Etn nine, Tony Pollard ten, Kenneth Walker eleven, and
Speaker 3: remind Grace Stevenson twelve.
Speaker 2: Interesting list here for me, I have the same top
Speaker 2: five one guy. I guess not the same top five
Speaker 2: now that you've switched it. But my number one is
Speaker 2: also Becheon. I mean, anyone who's listening to this show
Speaker 2: or me anywhere knows I'm a huge Texas fan. Obviously
Speaker 2: they're not surprised that I'm a homer about that. But
Speaker 2: Becheon is unbelievably talented and I'm super excited to see
Speaker 2: him at the next level and for everyone to be
Speaker 2: on board with us next year fits for sure. Number
Speaker 2: two JT. You know injury played last season. I understand
Speaker 2: people not being into it, but JT's the guy and
Speaker 2: they're going to run a lot, and he might get
Speaker 2: better running with Anthony Richardson in that backfield as well.
Speaker 2: Its gonna be a lot of fun to watch. My
Speaker 2: number three is Christian McCaffrey. You know the Brice Sall stuff.
Speaker 2: I have Breese at four and you have that reversed.
Speaker 2: But you can go either way. Obviously, if you want
Speaker 2: to play the longer game, you're gonna take Breece. If
Speaker 2: you like me and you want to win today right now,
Speaker 2: you're gonna take McCaffrey because he's not injured.
Speaker 1: And the other.
Speaker 2: Concerning thing I have a little, just tiny bit about
Speaker 2: Breee is why did the Jets keep drafting running backs fits?
Speaker 2: I mean it took Michael Carter and then they took
Speaker 2: Breese Hall and then a ban of Canada and Zonovit
Speaker 2: night is pretty good, Like they have a deep running
Speaker 2: back room.
Speaker 3: It's pretty crazy and bugs when you look at the
Speaker 3: odds for who Dalvin Cook is going to play his
Speaker 3: first snap for in twenty twenty three, Like the Jets
Speaker 3: are number two on the board, that's.
Speaker 2: Gotta be just the New York Like you're getting the
Speaker 2: New York bets if you're the book. I feel like
Speaker 2: that is very like Dallas is high too, but Dallas
Speaker 2: makes more sense.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but there has been a little bit of smoke
Speaker 3: as far as reports like I've seen it reported in
Speaker 3: two or three spots that the Jets were possibly one
Speaker 3: of the landing spots.
Speaker 2: I I cannot. I will be super surprised if that
Speaker 2: is the spot. Where could look? Maybe coach just wants
Speaker 2: to go win a ring, you know, maybe that's where
Speaker 2: he is in his career. I don't think so. I
Speaker 2: think he still wants to play. My number five is Saque.
Speaker 2: My number six is Austin Eckler, who is not on
Speaker 2: your list. You have him at thirteen. I don't have
Speaker 2: Gibbs on my list. Who is your number five? I
Speaker 2: have him at fourteen. Tony Pollard is number seven for me.
Speaker 2: Then I have Josh Shacobs, Naji Harris, Kenneth Walker at ten,
Speaker 2: Derrick Henry at eleven, and Nick Chubb at twelve. Derrick
Speaker 2: Henry a big difference for you and I as well
Speaker 2: as you have him at twenty. All right, So look
Speaker 2: ECR for Gibbs is six, so you're one spot ahead.
Speaker 1: I'm at fourteen.
Speaker 2: I think this just comes down to a small difference
Speaker 2: in philosophy for you and I because for me Fits,
Speaker 2: All I want is to see what kind of role
Speaker 2: they give Gibbs. I know Gibbs is super talented. I
Speaker 2: know he's gonna be very good. I worry a little
Speaker 2: bit about David Montgomery being there as well, but I
Speaker 2: don't think he's the talent that Gibbs is. So I
Speaker 2: feel like I'm in on Gibbs, but according to eastr
Speaker 2: I'm low on him. So tell me what gives you
Speaker 2: the confidence to put him in the top five over
Speaker 2: Saquon is surprising?
Speaker 1: Six I was okay with Fits.
Speaker 2: Over Saquon's a little surprising to me, So tell us
Speaker 2: what you're thinking.
Speaker 3: Well, Saquon fell off a little late last year, and
Speaker 3: I just like, I wonder if he's ever going to
Speaker 3: be quite the same guy again. Got off to a
Speaker 3: really terrific start last year, no question, but it seemed
Speaker 3: like by the end of the season he was maybe,
Speaker 3: I don't know, tapering off just a bit so. But
Speaker 3: as far as Gibbs Boggs, I mean, I know you're
Speaker 3: like your old guys, but having him out of the
Speaker 3: top ten feels a little disrespectful. Do you ever ranked
Speaker 3: ahead of Mark Ingram can I just check.
Speaker 1: On he he is just slightly ahead of Mark.
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, I mean the only issue I guess for
Speaker 3: me with Gibbs Boggs is that like he's unlikely to
Speaker 3: ever be a true workhorse.
Speaker 4: But I do think there is a.
Speaker 3: Pretty good chance we're getting another Alvin Kamara, Austin Eckler type,
Speaker 3: an elite pass catching running back who is also going
Speaker 3: to make a meaningful contribution as a runner. And we're
Speaker 3: getting him at age twenty one, at the onset of
Speaker 3: his career. So if he doesn't get two hundred carries
Speaker 3: a season, that's okay. I think as long as he's
Speaker 3: catching fifty sixty seventy balls or more. And I think
Speaker 3: his profile as a prospect suggests that he will be
Speaker 3: that sort of guy.
Speaker 2: I look, I like Gibbs a lot, and I definitely
Speaker 2: think that Alvin Kamara is the blueprint for him to
Speaker 2: have an enormous career. The problem is is there's not
Speaker 2: many Alvin kamaras, so I do think Gibbs can do it.
Speaker 2: But I think Montgomery is a guy that can be
Speaker 2: a first and second down guy as well, And they
Speaker 2: paid him a decent amount of money that now that
Speaker 2: doesn't mean anything right like it because the NFL, you know,
Speaker 2: specifically with Pete Carroll, like you have mentioned, is a meritocracy,
Speaker 2: but it's a meritocracy everywhere. It doesn't really matter if
Speaker 2: you're making money. Ask Kenny Galladay. If you can't play,
Speaker 2: you cannot play, so you know, or if someone is
Speaker 2: just way better than you, that guy gets the run
Speaker 2: and that could happen very good quickly. With Gibbs, I
Speaker 2: do think he's a better back than Montgomery. I'm just
Speaker 2: a little concerned with them paying him. They obviously have
Speaker 2: an idea for his role in mind, and so maybe
Speaker 2: the rookie season is a little less than we want
Speaker 2: and maybe it just takes him a little longer to
Speaker 2: ease into that real Camara role.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I've heard.
Speaker 3: I would contend though that the investment in draft capital
Speaker 3: that the Lions made with Gibbs was more significant than
Speaker 3: the you know dollar investment they made with Montgomery. And
Speaker 3: you know, I brought up mark Ingram earlier. I do
Speaker 3: see this as kind of a Kamara Ingram type setup
Speaker 3: for or the Lions this year, where like Montgomery is
Speaker 3: gonna have a relevant role without question, but we saw
Speaker 3: Ingram and Kamara both be fantasy relevant for the Saints.
Speaker 3: I think we could see the same thing with Gibbs
Speaker 3: and Montgomery and Detroit this year.
Speaker 2: And the thing pushing one of those guys over could
Speaker 2: be just who gets goal line carries? You know, that
Speaker 2: could be the thing so and you know, but it
Speaker 2: also could be that goal line carries go to Sam Laporta,
Speaker 2: you know, in one yard, you know, little dump offs
Speaker 2: or whatever. So we'll see. I love Gibbs, but I'm
Speaker 2: lower on him than ECR. Even so the guy that
Speaker 2: I have here that you have low, I've got Derrick
Speaker 2: Henry at eleven. I understand, you know, I'm away from
Speaker 2: ECR on this one as well, But I the whole
Speaker 2: offense is built around in fits that that's the thing,
Speaker 2: and even if it's only for like two more seasons,
Speaker 2: that this guy is putting up incredible numbers, and maybe
Speaker 2: he just has that prodigious falloff that we do see
Speaker 2: a lot of running backs have. I think it's more
Speaker 2: of a fading into the sunset type of Adrian Peterson,
Speaker 2: you know, where honestly, Adrian Peterson really fell off mainly
Speaker 2: because of his off the field stuff. I feel like
Speaker 2: more than just physically. His ECR is seventeen, so higher
Speaker 2: than where you have him at twenty, but lower than
Speaker 2: where I have him at eleven. I just for me,
Speaker 2: it's tough for me to not rank Derrick Henry as
Speaker 2: an RB one until I see him physically slow down.
Speaker 2: You know, he's had some injuries. He was banged up,
Speaker 2: but last year he was right back at it and fine.
Speaker 2: So I you know, the the injury, You're scared everybody.
Speaker 2: And I understand that's why he's a firm RB two now.
Speaker 2: But for me, I don't know. Man, that whole whole
Speaker 2: offense runs through him. So I just still have incredible
Speaker 2: faith in Derrick Henry.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is a game of chicken with the age
Speaker 3: Cliff bogs, And you know, you are driving that car
Speaker 3: at one hundred miles an hour and the cliff is
Speaker 3: coming up and you're just fearless. You've got your sunglasses
Speaker 3: on and you're you know, not concerned about what's ahead.
Speaker 3: I've already bailed out of the car and I'm like,
Speaker 3: you know, rolling down the road.
Speaker 4: I mean he's twenty nine and a half. Yeah, he's
Speaker 4: twenty nine and a half.
Speaker 3: He's had two thousand forty six career touches if you
Speaker 3: count playoff games with a high contact style. So I mean, man,
Speaker 3: you know, talk about driving the car to the edge
Speaker 3: of the cliff. You're driving a car with like two
Speaker 3: hundred and fifty thousand miles on it.
Speaker 4: Two bogs.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like, I'm just the end is going to come
Speaker 3: fast when it comes. And maybe he is one of
Speaker 3: those guys who defies, you know, the norms and is
Speaker 3: able to keep it going till thirty three thirty four.
Speaker 3: But you know, like even even the great ones, you know,
Speaker 3: Eddie George is a pretty good cop, and you know,
Speaker 3: Eddie George eventually fall off to I worry that Henry's
Speaker 3: gonna fall off and it could happened soon, you know.
Speaker 3: But again, Boggs, it's it's what sort of mode you're in.
Speaker 3: Are you in win now mode or are you in
Speaker 3: build mode?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 3: If you're in build mode, why is Derrick Henry on
Speaker 3: your roster? If you're in win now mode, he makes
Speaker 3: perfect sense on your roster.
Speaker 2: And honestly, where I have him ranked, And you guys
Speaker 2: should know this. If you're rostering Derrick Henry and where
Speaker 2: I have him ranked, you're gonna go ahead and trade
Speaker 2: him to a team that is contending. This is the
Speaker 2: value that you should get for him, and hold their
Speaker 2: feet to the fire, because if your team is not
Speaker 2: good and you have an asset like Derrick Henry, you
Speaker 2: gotta squeeze that. You gotta squeeze him for all the
Speaker 2: juicy's worth, right, So hold everybody's feet to the fire,
Speaker 2: make them pay a little extra and understand that in
Speaker 2: someone's eyes like that, you know, he is still a
Speaker 2: first round running back. He's still a first round player
Speaker 2: this year. They want to win this year. That's what
Speaker 2: he's worth, you know, Like you said, you're not trading
Speaker 2: Derrick Henry to someone that's not contending because you want
Speaker 2: to get what you want out of him in the
Speaker 2: next two to three seasons, probably max three seasons. I'm
Speaker 2: you know, my thought process is if he has two
Speaker 2: great years, if he has another good year this year,
Speaker 2: another good year next year, and then he starts fading,
Speaker 2: Like if I win money, that's worth it to me.
Speaker 2: That's a first round guy to me, and that's what
Speaker 2: he is right now. And I fear for a lot
Speaker 2: of running backs ever getting to what Derrick Henry will
Speaker 2: get this season. And I think that is also why
Speaker 2: I have him at eleven. This could be a falloff
Speaker 2: season for him. We don't know. I trust in the process.
Speaker 2: I trust in these guys that are just freaks, and
Speaker 2: he is an absolute freak of nature. So I still
Speaker 2: love him. Anybody else in the RB one category here
Speaker 2: that you want to go over.
Speaker 3: Well, let's talk about the other guy that you have
Speaker 3: in the RB one category that I do not.
Speaker 4: He just misses for me.
Speaker 3: You've got Auscar Eckler RB six, and I've got him
Speaker 3: RB thirteen in our Dynasty rankings.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: My love of Eckler here is that I love the
Speaker 2: Chargers offense. He is the number one through it right now.
Speaker 2: He had that little you know, hold out whatevery thing,
Speaker 2: but he's gonna be there. He's going to be playing
Speaker 2: for the Chargers, and he's still This is a guy
Speaker 2: I do fear that he breaks down, But what he
Speaker 2: could give you this season, I mean it's just historic
Speaker 2: the way that he has been and you know, and
Speaker 2: I understand for Dynasty specifically, people rank him lower because
Speaker 2: of his size in a stature. I'm more afraid of
Speaker 2: Eckler breaking down than I am Henry. But I just
Speaker 2: the top end, specifically for this year and next year,
Speaker 2: are still incredibly high for Eckler, So I just I
Speaker 2: have a hard time moving him down despite his his stature.
Speaker 4: I totally get it.
Speaker 3: And you know, most Dynasty leagues are in fact PPR,
Speaker 3: so Austin Eckler obviously the format suits him, and at
Speaker 3: twenty eight, he is not quite as close to the
Speaker 3: age cliff as Derrick Henry. Presumably great as a pass
Speaker 3: catcher bugs, but I do wonder if he's going to
Speaker 3: get one hundred and twenty seven targets last year, career
Speaker 3: high by far next highest. So yeah, one hundred and
Speaker 3: twenty seven targets and one hundred and seven receptions last year.
Speaker 3: Next highest total one hundred and eight targets and ninety
Speaker 3: two catches in twenty nineteen. You know, Justin Herbert averaged
Speaker 3: a ridiculously low six point four intended air yards per
Speaker 3: pass attempt last year, and I think that is part
Speaker 3: of the reason why they kicked Lombardi to the curb
Speaker 3: as offensive coordinator. I mean, six point four is ridiculous.
Speaker 3: The year before he was seven point six. When you've
Speaker 3: got arm talent like Herbert's, you don't want this dink
Speaker 3: and dunk offense. I mean, you have to stretch the
Speaker 3: field vertically, and so hopefully Kellen Moore is going to
Speaker 3: do that. I do think the change is probably going
Speaker 3: to mean fewer targets for Eckler, and we know they
Speaker 3: don't really want him to be the do everything back
Speaker 3: the early down guy. I mean, they've been cycling through
Speaker 3: making all these attempts to bring in guys that can
Speaker 3: be the early.
Speaker 1: They gave up on that though.
Speaker 2: They're like, they've done too many of these, we can't
Speaker 2: do it again this year. So I know it looks
Speaker 2: like it's either going to be Kelly or Spiller. I
Speaker 2: still hold out hope for Spiller man. I still think
Speaker 2: that he could be pretty good.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I mean, so I don't think we're going
Speaker 3: to see another one hundred catch season for Eckler. He's
Speaker 3: still going to be valuable, granted, but maybe not as
Speaker 3: immensely valuable. And you know, we're probably looking at another
Speaker 3: two or three really productive ears top for Macques.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I would say that I have kind of a tier,
Speaker 2: you know, I'd say one through five is a tier
Speaker 2: for me, you know, Bejon down to Berkley, uh, and
Speaker 2: then six through nine of Eckler, Pollard, Jacobs, and Harris, Like,
Speaker 2: these are all number one options on their team, right,
Speaker 2: Like not just number one running back. This is the
Speaker 2: first option to put the ball in someone's hand on
Speaker 2: your squad. I feel like, you know, maybe Pollard isn't
Speaker 2: with with Lamb. You can contest Jacobs with Adams, but
Speaker 2: last year, obviously Jacobs was the guy. And as we know,
Speaker 2: Josh McDaniels will not change his strategy even if he's up,
Speaker 2: and he will not adjust and he'll just lose games.
Speaker 2: Did you see that thread about the Raiders historic losing
Speaker 2: of games that they were winning last season?
Speaker 1: It was unbelievable.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, McDaniel's just terrible coach, But the terrible
Speaker 2: coach hands the ball to Josh Jacobs a thousand times
Speaker 2: a game. So I still like Josh Shacobs a ton.
Speaker 2: So that's kind of why I have that tier. Like,
Speaker 2: you know, after that, Henry's a little older, Chub's a
Speaker 2: little older, you got to move those guys down. They're
Speaker 2: both still number one options on their team as well.
Speaker 2: But Kenneth Walker is kind of where like he's young,
Speaker 2: so I got to put him ahead of those old guys.
Speaker 2: But he's questionable as the number one, so he's kind
Speaker 2: of in a tier of his own for me. So
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Speaker 2: let's go to RB two's for dynasty. What do you
Speaker 2: got thirteen non down to twenty four?
Speaker 4: Yeah, So at thirteen, I have.
Speaker 3: Sorry Austin Eckler and then Javonte Williams coming off the
Speaker 3: major knee injury. You know, like, I'm concerned about that
Speaker 3: knee injury for sure, Bogs, but I do think, man like,
Speaker 3: if we can get him healthy, even if it takes
Speaker 3: a year in a Sean Payton offense. I mean, Sean
Speaker 3: Payton's offenses have been great for running backs.
Speaker 1: Still love Javonte. I'm with you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so running back fifteen, Nick Chubb, running back sixteen,
Speaker 3: Rashad White, who we're going to talk about shortly, seventeen,
Speaker 3: Cam Akers eighteen, Damian Pierce nineteen, JK Dobbins twenty, Derek
Speaker 3: Henry twenty one, Zach Sharbona, twenty two, Devon a Chin,
Speaker 3: twenty three, DeAndre Swift, and twenty four Aaron Jones For me.
Speaker 2: At number thirteen, I have of Travis ETN. Fourteen is
Speaker 2: Sjamier Gibbs. We talked about him. I have Javonte at
Speaker 2: fifteen to one spot below where you have him, Remandre
Speaker 2: is sixteen. For me, Joe Mixon is seventeen. I have
Speaker 2: Dovin Cook at eighteen, then Zach Charbone at nineteen, Aaron
Speaker 2: Jones at twenty, aj Dillon at twenty one, Damian Pierce
Speaker 2: at twenty two, Cam Akers at twenty three, and Miles
Speaker 2: Sanders at number twenty four. So, Fitz, where do you
Speaker 2: want to start first? You want to talk about my guys,
Speaker 2: You want to talk defend your guys.
Speaker 4: Let's talk about your guys, Bogs.
Speaker 1: All right, Well I got the two old guys first.
Speaker 2: And this is this is the big issue that a
Speaker 2: lot of people would have with my dynasty rankings.
Speaker 1: And I understand that.
Speaker 2: And look, if if you're not looking to win this year,
Speaker 2: you want to play for next year, or you just
Speaker 2: want to play for the longer term in general, you know,
Speaker 2: maybe my rankings aren't for you but for me. And
Speaker 2: the reason I do this for everyone that hasn't heard it.
Speaker 2: And I apologize to those of you that have. I
Speaker 2: want to win now because I've been in so many
Speaker 2: dynasty leagues that just fold, you know, they fold up
Speaker 2: after four or five years. You get too many different
Speaker 2: owners in there. Maybe the rules are a little too complicated.
Speaker 2: People aren't paying attention if leagues fold up. You know,
Speaker 2: the general ideas we all want to play in a
Speaker 2: real dynasty league for twenty or thirty years. It's just
Speaker 2: not the reality for a lot of these leagues. So
Speaker 2: I'm trying to win immediately. That's why I value some
Speaker 2: of these guys that are longer in the tooth than
Speaker 2: other people. So just overall arching statement, know that, But
Speaker 2: also like I don't personally like Joe Mixon. I thought
Speaker 2: he was gonna get cut. I was ready to bury him,
Speaker 2: but then he worked things out with the Bengals. Seems
Speaker 2: like maybe he won't get this suspension that we thought
Speaker 2: that maybe he was going to get. So he's the
Speaker 2: number one running back on a very very good offense. Now,
Speaker 2: the difference between him and Derrick Henry and Nick Chubb
Speaker 2: is that he is easily the number two option for
Speaker 2: touches behind Chase, maybe number three if you want to
Speaker 2: put Higgins ahead of him as well. He'll have more
Speaker 2: touches than those guys because he's a running back. But
Speaker 2: they want to get the ball first to Chase then
Speaker 2: to anybody else. So Dalvin Cook obviously just cut from Minnesota,
Speaker 2: his ranking will change one way or the other. For me,
Speaker 2: I think it's most likely to go down regardless of
Speaker 2: where he signs. But if he signs in Miami, that's
Speaker 2: the one spot where I'll probably keep him here. But
Speaker 2: I hesitate to move him until I find out where
Speaker 2: he's going to go. So my first two guys fits
Speaker 2: Mix and then Cook. It's just established. They're established guys.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 1: Cook. Mixing is on a great offense.
Speaker 2: We think Cook could land up somewhere good, Miami being
Speaker 2: the number one, Dallas would be great.
Speaker 1: He goes to the Jets, I'll bury him.
Speaker 2: But because he's just ring chasing at that point and
Speaker 2: not stat chasing at all, because Bresol is going to
Speaker 2: come and take all the touches. But any of those
Speaker 2: other spots, you know, I'll lower him, but it won't
Speaker 2: be significant. So Mixing and Cook, how far how far
Speaker 2: down the road are you on those guys?
Speaker 3: Yeah, so you've got Mix in RB seventeen. I have
Speaker 3: them RB twenty six and Cook. The gap is bigger there.
Speaker 3: You've got him at RB eighteen. I've got him RB
Speaker 3: thirty three. And here's the thing, Bogs, I mean, I
Speaker 3: do agree with you that we've got the difference in
Speaker 3: perspective of you sort of looking more at immediate value
Speaker 3: and me looking at future value. I guess my thing
Speaker 3: is that I'm not sure these guys are going to
Speaker 3: provide the same sort of immediate value that they've been
Speaker 3: providing in recent years. Like mix In, I'm a little
Speaker 3: bit more optimistic about that he can sort of continue
Speaker 3: the way he's been, although I don't think he looks
Speaker 3: as explosive as he did in his first couple of
Speaker 3: years in the league.
Speaker 4: I mean, he's average, agree with that.
Speaker 2: I mean, he got a lot of points on that
Speaker 2: like four or five touchdown game, right, Like that was
Speaker 2: his prime output of the year.
Speaker 3: Right, And he's averaged three point nine yards per carry
Speaker 3: over the last three seasons. And I do realize part
Speaker 3: of that is that the Bengals line has been a
Speaker 3: little trashy. You know, they now they're upgraded and hopefully
Speaker 3: league average are better upfront, but that hasn't really been
Speaker 3: the case. But yeah, I mean, he was this rumored
Speaker 3: cut candidate, and I think really the only reason maybe
Speaker 3: they didn't do that is because they know their Super
Speaker 3: Bowl windows wide open, and you know, why mess around
Speaker 3: with instability at running back if you could just kind
Speaker 3: of run it back with an established commodity. But I
Speaker 3: just don't know how well he's going to age Bogs
Speaker 3: considering that it just he does doesn't seem as explosive anymore.
Speaker 3: And that's just kind of eye test stuff. But yeah,
Speaker 3: so we'll see. I mean, I still think he's a
Speaker 3: useful asset. I'm just worried about you know, maybe we
Speaker 3: see a little more slippage this year, and you know,
Speaker 3: I don't know what it's going to look like two
Speaker 3: or three years from now with Cook. I'm just like,
Speaker 3: I don't think he's going to be a workhorse anymore.
Speaker 3: I think the role is going to be different where
Speaker 3: I don't think. I don't know if there's a single
Speaker 3: landing spot Bogs where they would afford him a workhorse
Speaker 3: type role.
Speaker 4: I don't think he gets at Miami.
Speaker 1: I don't think Miami would do that.
Speaker 4: No, I don't.
Speaker 3: Think he's going to be like a three down guy
Speaker 3: in Miami. I mean, I think and I don't know
Speaker 3: if he can really be a three down guy and
Speaker 3: give you more than two or three healthy weeks at
Speaker 3: a time if they use him that way, you know,
Speaker 3: what I mean, like he's he's ending before I'm not
Speaker 3: really I kind of think they're not giving him passing
Speaker 3: down usage anymore wherever he goes.
Speaker 4: I think.
Speaker 2: In Miami anyway, So you know that maybe that would
Speaker 2: tick his role down, But I just think that it's
Speaker 2: a better system for running backs in Miami. So that's
Speaker 2: why that's kind of the golden place. Like I said,
Speaker 2: he probably will be lowered no matter what on my rankings,
Speaker 2: just because of the fact that he got cut and
Speaker 2: he's going to a different place. But I do think
Speaker 2: Miami is the one spot where he'll stay, so that
Speaker 2: that's probably and that's just my wishful thinking too. If
Speaker 2: I can tell you right now, if he signs in Dallas,
Speaker 2: let me just look at my rankings. If he signs
Speaker 2: in Dallas, I would probably put him at twenty eight.
Speaker 1: That's probably where I put him.
Speaker 2: I'd leave him, maybe knock him down a couple notches
Speaker 2: from eighteen down to like twenty one if he went
Speaker 2: to Miami. But yeah, I think twenty eight is probably
Speaker 2: the farthest I could. I mean, if he goes to
Speaker 2: New York, I'll bury him, you know, like I said,
Speaker 2: because he'll get nothing there so but but yeah, So
Speaker 2: the next guy on my list, I know we're gonna
Speaker 2: fight about so I put him here, and I'm way
Speaker 2: higher on him than ecr is.
Speaker 1: It's AJ Dillon.
Speaker 2: And look, AJ Dillon is not flashy, he's not sexy,
Speaker 2: and I'm not trying to tell you that he's flashy
Speaker 2: or sexy. But what he is is a dude that
Speaker 2: can handle forty carries a game.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't know if he's going to get that in
Speaker 2: green Bay, but I do know that green Bay is
Speaker 2: going to have to run the ball way more this
Speaker 2: year without Aaron Rodgers and the defense isn't completely fixed.
Speaker 2: I think that's what you want to do if you're
Speaker 2: a struggling team like this, And think of the transition
Speaker 2: that the Atlanta Falcons made right when Matt Ryan wasn't
Speaker 2: doing anything and they realize we cannot throw the ball
Speaker 2: this much, we have to run the ball.
Speaker 1: They ran the ball more than anybody else.
Speaker 2: I think we could see a turn for the Packers
Speaker 2: in that offense, and that means Aaron Jones and AJ
Speaker 2: Dillon are both going to hold pretty big value and
Speaker 2: maybe you can work stuff off the run with Jordan Love.
Speaker 2: The dude's not a slouch in the run game. He
Speaker 2: can absolutely move. So I'm very excited to see what
Speaker 2: the Green Bay running game looks like this year, and
Speaker 2: I think AJ Dillon has to be a bigger part
Speaker 2: of it if they're going to have success. Grind that
Speaker 2: clock down and ride him a little bit. He's a grinder,
Speaker 2: like I said, not sexy, not flashy, elusive rating is bad,
Speaker 2: but this is an old school three yards and a
Speaker 2: cloud of dust. And if he goes somewhere, if he
Speaker 2: goes somewhere, or Aaron Jones goes somewhere, he is your
Speaker 2: goal line back wherever he goes. So I feel like
Speaker 2: this is one of the few guys that I'm more
Speaker 2: excited for the long term on AJ Dillon than I
Speaker 2: am this year. But I think he could improve this
Speaker 2: year as well. I know you are thoroughly unimpressed with him.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean like he could be the kind of
Speaker 3: guy who gets twenty five or thirty carries a game
Speaker 3: if he was as good as Derrick Henry, and he's
Speaker 3: nowhere near as good as Derek Henry.
Speaker 4: He just hasn't been that guy.
Speaker 3: I mean, he is big and imposing, and he you know,
Speaker 3: will occasionally run a dude over bogs, but like, we
Speaker 3: just have not seen that sort of Derek Henry ability
Speaker 3: to take over a game.
Speaker 4: Like we've just not seen it.
Speaker 3: He's been efficient with the carries he's gotten, I guess,
Speaker 3: you know, but like he's nice to have for the
Speaker 3: Packers late in the season. And I've noticed, you know,
Speaker 3: like the first couple of years, especially as the season
Speaker 3: wore on, like Aaron Jones was getting fewer carries and
Speaker 3: touches in December, and AJ Dillon would get more, and
Speaker 3: it's sort of dovetailed with some of the weather effects they.
Speaker 4: Were dealing with. I like him. I mean, he's.
Speaker 3: A decent capable pass catcher, but he's never really going
Speaker 3: to move the needle there for you. That's kind of
Speaker 3: another drawback to him. I just think I don't know
Speaker 3: if he's ever going to earn work course duty, and
Speaker 3: I think he needs work course duty to be a
Speaker 3: true difference maker in fantasy bogs. And I just like
Speaker 3: I can't get there with him.
Speaker 2: I feel like you have him more in the range
Speaker 2: of like Damian Harris and Devin Singletary like two hundred
Speaker 2: touch guys, but not impressive two hundred touch guys, grinders, right,
Speaker 2: I think aj Dillon has a little more juice than that.
Speaker 1: Maybe I think it's.
Speaker 2: Ecr is thirty three if I'm remembering correctly. Yeah, it's
Speaker 2: thirty thirty two thirty two among running backs. So, like
Speaker 2: you know, I get it. I get people not being
Speaker 2: in on him. I think he's better than Harris and
Speaker 2: I think he's better than Harrison Singletary simply because I
Speaker 2: saw him due to Boston College, like they had no offense,
Speaker 2: they knew what was coming, and AJ Dillon still ran
Speaker 2: them over. It's taken him. It's it's harder for him
Speaker 2: to do that at the next level. I get that.
Speaker 2: I just think that he's got a little more juice
Speaker 2: in those guys. And maybe this is a year we
Speaker 2: see it, but I mean it is. This year is
Speaker 2: big for him. If he doesn't, if he doesn't take
Speaker 2: a step up without Aaron Rodgers there and they don't
Speaker 2: use him more, then yeah, I'll sink him. But this
Speaker 2: is a big telling year for him, and I'm gonna
Speaker 2: bet on him, So I'll say that. Before we go
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Speaker 2: the differences that we have on yours are I would
Speaker 2: say there. Some of them are not as big. One
Speaker 2: of them is pretty significant. But let's start with Rashad White.
Speaker 2: This is one of the bigger ones. You have him
Speaker 2: at sixteen. I know you and I have gone back
Speaker 2: and forth on Rashad White a little bit. My issue
Speaker 2: with him is not that he isn't talented. He is
Speaker 2: very talented, and I think that in Tampa Bay he
Speaker 2: could carve himself out a nice role specifically this year.
Speaker 2: My issue is that I don't know that he's good
Speaker 2: enough to stave off them either drafting someone high next
Speaker 2: year or bringing in another free agent or something. You know,
Speaker 2: even this year, bringing in Zeke or bringing Fournette back
Speaker 2: would not shock me, which is why I had him
Speaker 2: as a little bit overrated right now. But but you're
Speaker 2: in so tell us why the chips are being pushed
Speaker 2: in on Rashad White here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I should just irrify here, bonks that
Speaker 3: really after like the top ten or twelve running backs, Like,
Speaker 3: my confidence level really plummets in anyone and rank.
Speaker 2: You're closer to ECR than me too, Pad, just to
Speaker 2: point that out, Like it's twenty for him, so you
Speaker 2: a little higher and I'm lower. But I'm nine spots
Speaker 2: off and you're only four.
Speaker 3: So yeah, well, with White, I mean it's not really
Speaker 3: I'm not basing this on the belief that he is
Speaker 3: going to be a workhorse. I'm basing it more on
Speaker 3: my belief in his passing game prowess, Like he is
Speaker 3: a good pass catcher and a good pass blocker, and
Speaker 3: that is going to keep him in some sort of
Speaker 3: role in the NFL for a long time. Like, I
Speaker 3: feel very confident about his long term career value even
Speaker 3: if he is not a workhorse. And you know, so
Speaker 3: few running backs really ever attain true workhorse status bogs
Speaker 3: And I don't know for Shot Bateman is ever going
Speaker 3: to be that guy.
Speaker 4: But today's Rashod Bateman. Oh my gosh, I don't think,
Speaker 4: yeah exactly.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know if Shot White ever gets to
Speaker 3: workhorse status.
Speaker 4: And but that's okay.
Speaker 2: I mean he could get here this year though, Like
Speaker 2: that's he could, that's within the realm of possibility.
Speaker 4: He could.
Speaker 3: Although I feel like I feel like the eventual Buccaneers
Speaker 3: signing of a running back is is just an inevitability
Speaker 3: at this point.
Speaker 4: It could be wrong.
Speaker 2: You can't wait for me to take that victory lap
Speaker 2: and just get it over with, huh.
Speaker 4: Pretty much pretty much?
Speaker 3: But yeah, like I just I like what we saw
Speaker 3: out of Rashad White in year one. Even though you
Speaker 3: know Derek Brown is very worried about his yards after
Speaker 3: contact per carry, I'm not too worried. Like I think
Speaker 3: with Rashad White's passing game talents, like he's going to
Speaker 3: get snaps. He is going to get snaps for a
Speaker 3: long time. I think he's going to be a fixture,
Speaker 3: uh in fantasy leagues for quite a while.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And look that that's you know, And I'm the
Speaker 2: first to admit. Look, and I don't like black and white, right,
Speaker 2: Like everybody wants, especially in this you know space of
Speaker 2: fantasy football, everybody wants a black and white answer, and
Speaker 2: nobody can really give you a black and white answer
Speaker 2: within the Roman possibilities. Is it that Rashad White could
Speaker 2: be the leading back for the Bucks for the next
Speaker 2: five or six years. Absolutely, that isn't if he takes
Speaker 2: a big step up. He has a big enough frame,
Speaker 2: he has enough speed to do it. It's just that
Speaker 2: there are plenty of guys that have enough physically to
Speaker 2: do it and don't do it, you know, And that
Speaker 2: is more likely than anything. So it's easy to be
Speaker 2: a hater and not bet on someone to succeed, which
Speaker 2: is what I am a little bit. That's why I
Speaker 2: have guys that have succeeded higher For me. I'm a
Speaker 2: little bit of a hater in terms of that. Prove
Speaker 2: it to me first and then I'll move you up.
Speaker 2: But once you do, I'm established and I'm good, right,
Speaker 2: So I just I want to see it a little
Speaker 2: bit first, even though we both have a guy that
Speaker 2: has not played a snap in the NFL as a
Speaker 2: number one running back, that should tell you how much
Speaker 2: I believe in Beishan being the hater that I am
Speaker 2: occasionally on guys that are unproven. So a guy that
Speaker 2: is proven that I'm still a little bit lower on
Speaker 2: that you have higher than I do.
Speaker 1: JK. Dobbins. You got him at nineteen.
Speaker 2: I got him at twenty seven. His ECR is sixteen,
Speaker 2: so we're both actually lower on Dobbins in ECR. I'll
Speaker 2: just say for me, it's the fact that Lamar is
Speaker 2: still I know they're trying to taper back his rushing,
Speaker 2: but he's still going to run the ball. Like people
Speaker 2: think that he's not going to run the ball. I
Speaker 2: think that's silly.
Speaker 1: You're not going to.
Speaker 2: Take you don't want him to get hurt, but you're
Speaker 2: not going to take his best skill. He's a good passer.
Speaker 2: He's a much better passer than people give him credit for.
Speaker 2: And hopefully the Ravens start letting him on cork it
Speaker 2: a little bit more. But his best asset is still
Speaker 2: his running. From that position, He's still the number one,
Speaker 2: and also the weird comment that Dobbins had at the
Speaker 2: end of the year about the coaching staff and stuff
Speaker 2: and if we had Lamar, we would have won that game.
Speaker 2: That Like, it seems like they're over that, but I
Speaker 2: don't know, man like that, maybe that stuff hangs in
Speaker 2: their head a little bit.
Speaker 1: I did not like him saying that stuff.
Speaker 2: So your thoughts on Dobbins, and we're both lower on
Speaker 2: him than ECR.
Speaker 1: I'm just significantly lower.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And it's weird for me to be the one,
Speaker 3: you know, advocating for JK. Dobbins when I just feel
Speaker 3: really conflicted, like I feel very on the fence about him.
Speaker 3: Some kind of rank he is and he's he's one
Speaker 3: of these guys I don't feel great about. You know,
Speaker 3: wherever I put him in my rankings, I don't feel
Speaker 3: good about it. And you know, for me, it's mostly
Speaker 3: about that injury where he in the twenty twenty one
Speaker 3: preseason towards ACL his LCL and his meniscus a multi
Speaker 3: ligament and meniscus tare came back in Week three, wasn't
Speaker 3: himself at all, was still limping around. I mean, he
Speaker 3: looked like long John Silver out there at times, you know,
Speaker 3: like just this obvious limp and they actually had to
Speaker 3: shut him down, got his knee scoped, had some like
Speaker 3: scar tissue broken up, came back and did look much
Speaker 3: more like the old JK.
Speaker 4: Dobbins at the end of the season.
Speaker 3: Back to back one hundred yard rushing games and then
Speaker 3: a ninety three yard rushing game. Small sample size, but
Speaker 3: cautious optimism that maybe he's back to being the guy
Speaker 3: he was at Ohio State. So you know what the
Speaker 3: offensive coordinator change means for him. I mean, Greg Roman
Speaker 3: was one of the most run happy offensive coordinators in
Speaker 3: recent memory. Todd Monkin likes to throw it around a
Speaker 3: little bit more, so that remains to be seen. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm just I'm never quite sure what to do with Dobbins, Bogs.
Speaker 3: I don't actually have him in any of my Dynasty leagues.
Speaker 3: In fact, like I am kind of cautiously optimistic that
Speaker 3: he might still have a shot at stardom. You know, like,
Speaker 3: there aren't a lot of guys outside of the top
Speaker 3: ten in I rankings who I think, like have any
Speaker 3: real shot at being superstars. I mean, I think Dobbins
Speaker 3: could be a superstar if everything breaks right and he's
Speaker 3: totally healthy, they.
Speaker 2: Kind of start throwing the ball to him. That's the
Speaker 2: really the big thing with Dobbins for me to in
Speaker 2: this offense. And I know Monk's taken over and they're
Speaker 2: gonna pass more, obviously, but I mean still at Georgia
Speaker 2: they ran the ball time.
Speaker 4: You know, he he you know, didn't do it too.
Speaker 3: We saw a little bit of it when he was
Speaker 3: in Columbus, Like he can catch passes, he's capable of it.
Speaker 2: I just want to see them do that for him,
Speaker 2: you know, let him, let him do it, and you
Speaker 2: know that. That's another thing that kind of brings me
Speaker 2: down overall on Dobbins is you have these compiling factors
Speaker 2: you have you know, the offense is going to be different,
Speaker 2: the injury and the fact that they're not throwing him
Speaker 2: the ball and Lamar running the ball too. So there's
Speaker 2: just a lot of little It's like death by a
Speaker 2: thousand cuts to me for JK. Dobbins, because he's a
Speaker 2: super talented back and you know, this is a guy
Speaker 2: that if he used in the right situation, I definitely
Speaker 2: have him over ag Dylon. I'm just excited about Dylan
Speaker 2: and concern about that knee. So this one I was
Speaker 2: so excited Fitz because I was like, all right, finally
Speaker 2: a guy that I'm going to be closer on Ecran
Speaker 2: than Fitz is. And that's not the case. You have
Speaker 2: a Chane at twenty two. I am at thirty six.
Speaker 2: So we're separated by fourteen spots here, but we're both
Speaker 2: seven spots away. He's ECR twenty nine, So you're seven
Speaker 2: spots and I'm seven spots dead in the middle on
Speaker 2: a chain. So e Chan as an RB two is bold,
Speaker 2: I would say fitsih in my opinion. So tell me
Speaker 2: why you're pushing the chips in on the AGGI oh, box.
Speaker 3: It wouldn't be an episode of the Fantasy prost Dynasty
Speaker 3: podcast if I didn't gush about devon a chain.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So it's just and I'll think this quick, because I
Speaker 3: think our listeners have mostly heard this all before. I
Speaker 3: think he's terrific. Like his explosive speed, that four point
Speaker 3: three to two near Olympic sprinter type speed coupled with
Speaker 3: his contact balance, and he is not just He's not
Speaker 3: a Naheim Heinz type passing down back like he's got.
Speaker 3: I think he can be more like Warwick Dunn, who
Speaker 3: used to handle really significant workloads and you know, was
Speaker 3: like a consistent running back one for fantasy, because I
Speaker 3: think a chain has such exceptional contact balance. And to
Speaker 3: anyone who questions whether a guy his size can handle
Speaker 3: a heavy load, he averaged twenty three point six touches
Speaker 3: a game for Texas A and M last year, and
Speaker 3: just on he carries in the SEC and they slammed
Speaker 3: in between the tackles quite a bit, like this guy.
Speaker 2: And the defense knew what was coming because it was
Speaker 2: the most basic crap offense you've ever seen, even for
Speaker 2: college for A and M last year.
Speaker 3: This is not a one dimensional, little passing down back
Speaker 3: at all.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the size is my main concern with
Speaker 2: a chain, you know, just being a little bit undersize
Speaker 2: at a brutal position. But you know, Eckler did it,
Speaker 2: like there's definitely the upside is again within the realm
Speaker 2: of possibility for a chain, there's a lot of talent there.
Speaker 2: It's just the history of small backs don't have a
Speaker 2: good track record. A little concern with Miami always wanting
Speaker 2: to use multiple backs. Another guy too, kind of like
Speaker 2: Rashad White that like does Devin h Chane prohibit them
Speaker 2: from taking like Trayvon.
Speaker 1: Henderson next year.
Speaker 2: And if they do take Henderson, that's a guy that's
Speaker 2: tough to take off the field, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Those top nrbs. Brayln Allen another like guy that's going
Speaker 2: to be a grinder. You want him taking twenty carries
Speaker 2: to wear out that defense so that it's another like
Speaker 2: small thing for me, but a chain eh change. Like
Speaker 2: you said about Rashad White, has a role in the
Speaker 2: NFL for a long time because he is so versatile.
Speaker 1: So I do like that about him.
Speaker 2: The last guy in your RB twos that we're gonna
Speaker 2: talk about here, and we're only eight spots here, DeAndre Swift.
Speaker 1: You have it twenty three. I have him at thirty one.
Speaker 2: His ECR is actually higher than both of us at nineteen,
Speaker 2: which surprises me a little bit. I was also a
Speaker 2: little surprised to see you still in on Swift because
Speaker 2: we've talked about how we both kind of think maybe
Speaker 2: it's for Shad Penny getting first look here, but Penny
Speaker 2: can't stay on the field. If there's anything proven in
Speaker 2: the NFL, it's a Penny will not play sixteen seventeen games.
Speaker 2: So is that really what it's about is at the
Speaker 2: end of the day, Swift is the best running back
Speaker 2: in that backfield.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean technically, I guess I am in on
Speaker 3: him if I've got him in running back two range,
Speaker 3: but I am below consensus. And you know, I do
Speaker 3: have some concerns that the Lions saw three years of
Speaker 3: DeAndre Swift and gave him the big thumbs down like
Speaker 3: Joaquin Phoenix and Gladiator pretty much, and you know, and
Speaker 3: the other thing bogs. I mean the fact that two
Speaker 3: years ago Swift averaged six targets a game. He had
Speaker 3: seventy eight targets and thirteen games. Last year five targets
Speaker 3: a game, seventy targets in fourteen games. The Eagles had
Speaker 3: sixty one running back targets last year, fewest.
Speaker 4: In the league.
Speaker 3: And like, they're not going to be in dump off
Speaker 3: hurry up mode very often because they're, you know, arguably
Speaker 3: the most complete team in the NFL. They're not going
Speaker 3: to be in like playing catch up game scripts very often.
Speaker 3: Plus Jalen hurts his mobile, so he's not going to
Speaker 3: dump off a lot. So I don't know what kind
Speaker 3: of season Swift is in for if he's not the
Speaker 3: primary early down guy and isn't going to catch a
Speaker 3: lot of passes. However, Bogs, his contract expires after this year.
Speaker 3: He's going to be an unrestricted free agent in twenty
Speaker 3: twenty four unless the Eagles extend him, which I almost
Speaker 3: don't want them to do. If you're interested in DeAndre Swift, Like,
Speaker 3: I don't think the Eagles aren't great landing spot, as
Speaker 3: good as their offense and as good as their offensive
Speaker 3: line is, Like, I don't think it's an ideal spot
Speaker 3: for him, but like, this dude has pass catching skills
Speaker 3: and he's twenty four years old, so there's still hope.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So the things that concern me about Swift that
Speaker 2: you know are kind of obvious, is that the Lion's
Speaker 2: giving up on him.
Speaker 1: You know, I was wrong about the pick earlier. I
Speaker 1: thought I was a six.
Speaker 2: It was a fourth, So obviously that there is some
Speaker 2: It's way more meaningful to trade a fourth than a six.
Speaker 2: But still, you know, they took him very early, and
Speaker 2: Douce Daley has just had enough of this guy, And
Speaker 2: I don't know what it is. Is it like just
Speaker 2: him being banged up, Is it about him not listening?
Speaker 4: Like?
Speaker 1: What is it because it seemed like.
Speaker 2: On a hard knocksy were visibly frustrated with him, and
Speaker 2: they gave Jamal Williams all the goal line carries. So
Speaker 2: you know, it's just there. There's a couple things adding
Speaker 2: up here.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 2: I actually think that Philly could be a really good
Speaker 2: landing spot for him if he does get the job.
Speaker 2: And because you know, being next to Jalen Hurts is
Speaker 2: a great spot to be in great offense. That's gonna
Speaker 2: get you know, a lot of touchdowns, and they want
Speaker 2: to probably need to stop that Jalen Hurts up the
Speaker 2: middle being pushed by lineman nonsense before he gets you know,
Speaker 2: cracked in half, right, So they want to take they
Speaker 2: should replace some Jalen runs with some DeAndre Swift dump offs.
Speaker 2: And that's probably the thought process behind getting him. So,
Speaker 2: you know, I think it could be a good spot
Speaker 2: for him, but I'm just I don't know. I'm just
Speaker 2: not sold. I think this is what we're gonna get
Speaker 2: from Swift is a frustrating back that could be really good.
Speaker 2: That's just pretty good, and that is annoying and it makes
Speaker 2: them difficult to start on a week to week basis
Speaker 2: as well. So I'll let someone else take the headache.
Speaker 2: So that's kind of my thoughts on on Swift. I
Speaker 2: did have three other, three other guys here fits that
Speaker 2: we have a different song before we go to those guys.
Speaker 2: Do you want to you want to talk about anybody
Speaker 2: else in the RB twos here?
Speaker 4: No, let's let's do that.
Speaker 3: So we've we've each got a few more guys who
Speaker 3: are sort of outside the top twenty five.
Speaker 4: Let's do that cover them real fast.
Speaker 3: Like you your guys, give me your sales pitch, and
Speaker 3: I'll give you maybe like one sentence of concern, so
Speaker 3: like you know, a couple sentences on each guy.
Speaker 2: Okay, So Eli Mitchell, first look, if you do want
Speaker 2: McCaffrey to make it all the way through the season,
Speaker 2: you gotta let Mitchell play a little bit. And this
Speaker 2: is another guy that's explosive, young and doesn't need a
Speaker 2: ton of touches to be good. So I have Eli
Speaker 2: Mitchell at thirty nine. You have him at fifty two.
Speaker 2: His ECR is forty five, so we're both kind of
Speaker 2: in the middle. Actually, one of the very few guys.
Speaker 2: I'm closer to ECR than you are by one spot.
Speaker 2: That's my first guy. Your concerns about Mitchell, no real concerns.
Speaker 4: I could be talked into moving.
Speaker 3: I'm probably a little too low on him on the
Speaker 3: smaller side. Hasn't really been a prolific pass catcher since
Speaker 3: getting to the NFL, But I don't know. His track
Speaker 3: record shows that maybe he could be more of a
Speaker 3: pass catcher. So I don't have any real beefs with
Speaker 3: Elijah Mitchell.
Speaker 2: Deontay Foreman I have at fifty his ECR is fifty nine.
Speaker 2: You have him at sixty seven. I'll freely ad meant
Speaker 2: that Deontay Foreman could be a nothing burger after this year.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of competition with Herbert and him and Roshan.
Speaker 2: I just think that people are already counting him out
Speaker 2: and putting him third because he's not the sexy rookie
Speaker 2: and people like Herbert Moore and look, Foreman came in
Speaker 2: and ran the ball well in Carolina last year, So
Speaker 2: you know, I've watched him a lot. I know he's
Speaker 2: a guy a lot like AJ Dillon that can take
Speaker 2: the load if you're going to give it to him.
Speaker 2: So I think that this guy could be a twenty
Speaker 2: touch guy. He also could be a four touch guy.
Speaker 2: So there's just so much variance in him, it's hard
Speaker 2: to rank him high. I'm just higher on EASR than
Speaker 2: Deoncey Foreman.
Speaker 3: He was really good in Carolina last year with a
Speaker 3: lot of volumes volume bogs. He's not going to be
Speaker 3: a twenty touch guy. He is going to be a
Speaker 3: four touch guy. It's a three man committee with him,
Speaker 3: Khalil Herbert, Roshawn Johnson, and you've got a quarterback who
Speaker 3: poaches running back value.
Speaker 4: So I just don't see it.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say he's a twelve touch guy. I'm gonna
Speaker 2: say twelve a game is what he's gonna start with.
Speaker 2: Somewhere in between Jack McKinnon. I have him at fifty five.
Speaker 2: I'm actually it's probably we're both below ECR and Jack McKinnon.
Speaker 1: Seventy one for him.
Speaker 2: He's old, right, But like I've said always, I want
Speaker 2: a piece of the Kansas City offense, and he's a
Speaker 2: big piece. Sometimes he gets a hot hand. There's worse
Speaker 2: injury replacements and all that stuff. So like you can
Speaker 2: take a you know, Evan Hall or Zach Evans or
Speaker 2: one of those guys and kind of hope, or you
Speaker 2: could take McKinnon and know I got another guy that's
Speaker 2: in here in case I have an injury. Like Fitz
Speaker 2: said before, most dynasty leagues are PPR and that is
Speaker 2: where he holds the most value. So that's why I
Speaker 2: feel like I like McKinnon, but we're both lower on
Speaker 2: ECR than him, which surprised me a little bit.
Speaker 1: I think it's just the case next to his name though, I.
Speaker 4: Think he's roster boat Bogs, but that's it.
Speaker 3: I mean, he's thirty one, he's injury prone, and boy,
Speaker 3: he was a nightmare to rank in weekly Fantasy rankings
Speaker 3: late last year because he had a six game stretch
Speaker 3: Bogs from Week thirteen through the end of the regular season.
Speaker 3: He had nine touchdowns in six games. And do you
Speaker 3: know how many touches he averaged in those six games
Speaker 3: ten a game. He was averaging a touchdown every six
Speaker 3: point seven carries or touches, I should say, so just ridiculous.
Speaker 3: You can't count on volume, and like that touchdown streak
Speaker 3: was just non repeatable.
Speaker 2: I think, right, yeah, and you know what, I bet
Speaker 2: that's probably why he's ranked higher. But we're both like,
Speaker 2: I did not take that into consideration of my ranking.
Speaker 2: I just think he's a solid guy that catches passes
Speaker 2: on a good offense. So the touchdowns could be there
Speaker 2: again because he plays for Kansas City, but I would
Speaker 2: not expect them.
Speaker 1: Who are your three guys here, FITZI.
Speaker 3: Chase Brown at running back thirty nine at fifty six. Yes,
Speaker 3: kind of an aspirational rankings ranking, but Mixon is probably
Speaker 3: not going to be in Cincinnati for more than another year.
Speaker 3: Brown showed he could handle a massive workload at Illinois
Speaker 3: last year, where he averaged twenty seven point three carries
Speaker 3: a game. He's got four point four to three speed
Speaker 3: and a nine point eight relative athletics score on a
Speaker 3: ten point scale, with Trank's thirty six out of oney
Speaker 3: seven hundred and forty running backs to log a rass
Speaker 3: score since nineteen eighty seven. So crazy, athletic, very productive
Speaker 3: in college. Probably is not going to have a major
Speaker 3: role this year, but beyond this year certainly could.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think this guy you're excited about, like I'm
Speaker 2: excited about potential for ag Dillard. No, Aaron Jones, Right,
Speaker 2: I think that's kind of what it is. Obviously, this
Speaker 2: dude more athletic than a grinder, Just a massive dude.
Speaker 2: Like ag Dillon is, but lots of upside. I'm this
Speaker 2: is a guy that I could also be convinced to
Speaker 2: move up. So I do not hate this ranking at all.
Speaker 2: So I'll say I'm on b with you fits. Who's
Speaker 2: number two?
Speaker 4: Kenneth Gainwell.
Speaker 3: I mean I've got him forty seventh, You've got him
Speaker 3: sixty two as ECR is fifty three, So I'm not
Speaker 3: making like a huge sales pitch for him. But he's
Speaker 3: twenty four and you know he's been efficient four point
Speaker 3: four yards per carry, nine touchdowns on one hundred and
Speaker 3: twenty one career carries. Ideally, I think he suited to
Speaker 3: be a passing down back, and as we just discussed,
Speaker 3: he's not on the right team for that.
Speaker 4: But I do think, you know, he could have a.
Speaker 3: Long career and the efficiency he's shown so far is encouraging.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't hate Kenneth Gainwell, but I feel like
Speaker 2: everyone tells me the Eagles love Gainwell, then why did
Speaker 2: they go get Penny and Swift if they love Gainwell
Speaker 2: so much?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 1: You know it was this is this was more exciting
Speaker 1: when they.
Speaker 2: Let Miles Sanders walk, So I was like, oh, maybe
Speaker 2: they like gainwell, but then I lowered him a little bit.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I think I think his future is probably
Speaker 2: better for a different team. I just don't know who
Speaker 2: that team is and where, so it just concerns me
Speaker 2: a little bit.
Speaker 3: And then my last guy is Dwayne McBride, who I've
Speaker 3: got running back fifty five. You've got him running back
Speaker 3: seventy three ECRs, running back sixty six.
Speaker 4: I mean, he has a chance.
Speaker 3: To earn a significant role in the Vikings backfield. And
Speaker 3: he was really productive at UAB granted not against top
Speaker 3: flight competition, but man last season seventeen hundred rushing yards
Speaker 3: and nineteen touchdown runs and thirty two touchdown runs over
Speaker 3: his last two years, so a total zero in the
Speaker 3: passing game, which doesn't help him in PPR formats, but
Speaker 3: you know, maybe he could get significant early down work.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you and I have gone back and
Speaker 2: forth on this Minnesota running back spot. Everyone who listens
Speaker 2: religiously knows that I'm a tight Chandler guy. That's why
Speaker 2: I'm lower on McBride and Iguanu and all the rest
Speaker 2: of those guys. Chandler's my guy. So we're taking bets here.
Speaker 2: But look, I think McBride is a good guy to
Speaker 2: put a bet on as well. I would rather bet
Speaker 2: on McBride then your boy in Iguana. I'll say that FITSI.
Speaker 2: So you know, for the Vikings, whoever's backing up Madison,
Speaker 2: I think it's Shandler. You like McBride, which means it'll
Speaker 2: end up being Iguana, like I said before, But that's
Speaker 2: just the way it shakes out for us in the
Speaker 2: running backs.
Speaker 1: But we appreciate you guys listening.
Speaker 2: We're gonna wrap it up here, went through our RB
Speaker 2: two's and maybe you guys have some agreements disagreements, let
Speaker 2: us know. But remember you can find us on the
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Speaker 2: some qbs next week.
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