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Speaker 1: at Discord. So Izzie, so happy to have you here,
Speaker 1: the Pharaoh of fantasy. Are you ready to talk about
Speaker 1: some players you want no part of Damn. I always
Speaker 1: right that it's gonna be h you know, not a
Speaker 1: hateful episode, but you know there are guys we're gonna
Speaker 1: have opinions on guys that we just kind of don't
Speaker 1: want to be drafting, at least at their price. And
Speaker 1: I think, Pat, you know, there is really no take
Speaker 1: this guy off of my list completely. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm sure some people have that, but I'm never a
Speaker 1: let's take this guy out. I'm a let's take this
Speaker 1: guy out at where he's going. And that is what
Speaker 1: we're talking about, our players that are being overvalued right
Speaker 1: now in Dynasty. Correct. Yeah, we don't hate players, we
Speaker 1: hate prices. And you know, sometimes you might be stuck
Speaker 1: with the guy you feel like you can't sell at
Speaker 1: the right price and you just have to ride him
Speaker 1: into the sunset. Ideally you don't wind up with that.
Speaker 1: You know, you can always sell guys at a deep discount,
Speaker 1: but I know these are guys we're not looking to buy,
Speaker 1: and maybe guys were looking to move if we can
Speaker 1: at some sort of reasonable price. Is he what do
Speaker 1: you think it's more are overvalued? Do you think a
Speaker 1: player himself gets more overvalued or is it more of
Speaker 1: a situation that gets overvalued? Ooh um, I'd probably say
Speaker 1: it's a good question. I think it depends on how
Speaker 1: you want to look at it. I think a situation
Speaker 1: gets more over overvalued when it comes to the fact
Speaker 1: that usually it's it's just not justified, right, the situation
Speaker 1: right right, overvaluing a player or you know, kind of
Speaker 1: looking at a player's perspective, it's usually justified a situation typically, isn't.
Speaker 1: We create a lot of false narratives with a situation.
Speaker 1: So I'd say that, yeah, yeah, and it's um. You know,
Speaker 1: Chris Harris, who's famously been around in the fantasy football
Speaker 1: you know community forever, says it's a crutch argument. Well,
Speaker 1: someone has to catch passes, someone has to run the ball,
Speaker 1: someone has to throw passes. You know, these are crutch arguments.
Speaker 1: So I see that a lot. But I also see players,
Speaker 1: and I think the thing that overrates players the most,
Speaker 1: and you guys can let me know if you agree,
Speaker 1: is past success. Well, this guy had success at with
Speaker 1: this team, in this situation, with this coach whatever. I mean, Look,
Speaker 1: it's a nice marker to have. I don't want to
Speaker 1: discount anyone for playing well previously. But I think a
Speaker 1: lot of the times you extrapolate or you buy situations
Speaker 1: that were already perfect, thinking well, it can be perfect again,
Speaker 1: and it's not pat Is that something that you would
Speaker 1: agree with or are you more? It's the players. It's
Speaker 1: the situation. No past success is big because people always
Speaker 1: think that that player can return to the past success,
Speaker 1: and there are managers in your league who enjoyed that
Speaker 1: past success. So they always those players conjure up good
Speaker 1: feelings for those managers, and they're always usually the ones
Speaker 1: most willing to grant that player another chance, even if
Speaker 1: it's unwarranted. Sometimes iszee have you ever had that player
Speaker 1: that you just couldn't give up on? You wrote them
Speaker 1: into the ground. They never did it, but but you
Speaker 1: just kept backing him and saying, man, as soon as
Speaker 1: this guy gets the scenario, I know he's gonna break out,
Speaker 1: because I feel like that's been fifty percent of my takes.
Speaker 1: But you know, you know, I would say the guy
Speaker 1: that kind of has always been you know, linked to
Speaker 1: me is probably Josh Gordon, Okay, And it's not necessarily
Speaker 1: his talent, was the issues. The fact that every time
Speaker 1: he'd come back, he'd just get busted, right, So that
Speaker 1: would be the probably the guy that I just continue
Speaker 1: to kind of hang on to and hope that he'd return.
Speaker 1: And now he's thirty one years old. No, that's just
Speaker 1: kind of weird. Now he's like the old guy, you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: is he is not alone in the you know, the
Speaker 1: Josh Gordon help would be like, you know, even just
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago, and you'd kind of be like,
Speaker 1: looking at your watch, dude, that that season was twenty thirteen.
Speaker 1: It's twenty twenty. Now I give up the ghost. I
Speaker 1: mean I've kept saying to the on the IL Fantasy
Speaker 1: Football Show, like are we gonna do it again with
Speaker 1: Josh Gordon? And I think it was three years ago
Speaker 1: he was finally I can't do it anymore, you know,
Speaker 1: sometimes because I like a current guy for me is
Speaker 1: Adam Troutman. I just want Troutman to be successful. I
Speaker 1: think the guy can catch the ball. But if he
Speaker 1: doesn't do it this year, it's gotta be I gotta
Speaker 1: be done with him, right, I mean, it's like, what's
Speaker 1: that quote, It's like, fetch, we gotta quit making it happen, right, So, um,
Speaker 1: I don't know that. That's just I know I get
Speaker 1: stuck on some players. So we'll see if we mention
Speaker 1: any of the players that anyone out there is getting
Speaker 1: stuck on. So let's start a quarterback guest, Izzy, you're
Speaker 1: gonna go first, lead us off here, who is a
Speaker 1: quarterback that in dynasty their value is too high right
Speaker 1: now and you would want no part of. Yeah, this
Speaker 1: was actually really tough because picking you know, I wanted
Speaker 1: to pick one guy, and unfortunately it's probably a few
Speaker 1: guys that I would probably stay away. I had to
Speaker 1: stay away from the guys that you mentioned on your
Speaker 1: list because one of them is definitely number one on
Speaker 1: my list, but I will I will save that one.
Speaker 1: I would probably lean either Jill and Hurts or Trey Lance,
Speaker 1: And honestly, it's just purely based on their their value
Speaker 1: right now. Their values are both skyrocketed. I would say
Speaker 1: I'm more concerned with Trey Lance because with at least
Speaker 1: with Jill and Hurts, we've seen the floor, and the
Speaker 1: floor is good enough I think to be a starting
Speaker 1: quarterback in the NFL. But with Trey Lance, kind of
Speaker 1: the kind of reading through the tea leaves and all
Speaker 1: the things that have been said in the offseason and
Speaker 1: the fact that Jimmy g is still until it does
Speaker 1: worry me a little bit about his value. The thing
Speaker 1: that kind of keeps me from going all in and saying, hey,
Speaker 1: is the guy I definitely do not want to touch
Speaker 1: is when he's actually played. He hasn't been great as
Speaker 1: a passer, but his floor has been like eighteen or
Speaker 1: nineteen fantasy points a game, and it's only been a
Speaker 1: couple of games. But at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: when we're paying top two round startup prices for superflex leagues,
Speaker 1: when you have Jail and Hurts and Trey Lance in
Speaker 1: the top two rounds, you start to really get concerned
Speaker 1: with the fact that you're hanging on by a thread
Speaker 1: that they eventually put together their game as passers, and
Speaker 1: I don't know if either one of them actually do,
Speaker 1: and if they don't, you're sitting there holding the bag
Speaker 1: top two round equity. So those are probably be the
Speaker 1: two guys that they'd be second and third on my list,
Speaker 1: behind one of the guys that you guys are gonna
Speaker 1: be mentioning, So I won't spoil that. So if, um,
Speaker 1: if right now I had to ask you you have
Speaker 1: you get to choose one, and it's either one of
Speaker 1: those guys, Yeah, who are you taking as the lancers? Shoot,
Speaker 1: I choose one. This is probably the wrong probably the
Speaker 1: wrong answer, but I would I would take Trey Lance
Speaker 1: only because, well, a couple of things draft capital in Shanahan.
Speaker 1: So I think the way that Shanahan designs his offense,
Speaker 1: he manufactures positive touches for players. So look a guy
Speaker 1: like Jimmy G's, he's a one read quarterback. He's made
Speaker 1: Jimmy G relatively successful. He's he's hit a lot of
Speaker 1: the deficiencies that Jimmy G has in his offense, and
Speaker 1: I think with Trey Lance he can definitely do that.
Speaker 1: And then Trey Lance offers such high rushing upside that
Speaker 1: he can get away with a lot in that offense.
Speaker 1: So I'd probably say I'd take Trey Lance over Jalen Hurts,
Speaker 1: but I don't. I wouldn't take it to the bank
Speaker 1: between those two. I would take Jalen Hurts because we
Speaker 1: are we've already seen what he can do, which is
Speaker 1: kind of goes back to that past success thing that
Speaker 1: I just talked about. But I'm also very excited to
Speaker 1: see what a j. Brown brings to this offense, So
Speaker 1: that that is why I would pick Jalen Hurts. But
Speaker 1: I I agree that I feel like they're both being overrated,
Speaker 1: right now because what Jalen Hurts has shown us, really,
Speaker 1: what the Eagles have shown us is they don't really
Speaker 1: like Jalen Hurts that much, and they are starting him
Speaker 1: because he has had success, not because they love him,
Speaker 1: which is a guy that I'm going to talk about
Speaker 1: in a second. I feel like as well, but Pat,
Speaker 1: do you agree on those takes? And also we need
Speaker 1: your quarterback as well? Yeah, so I mostly agree with those.
Speaker 1: I'd be more likely to slam the door and Hurts
Speaker 1: because I think there's no chance he's ever like even
Speaker 1: an average passer, and the price is still pretty high.
Speaker 1: I was hoping there would be maybe a little bit
Speaker 1: of a discount on Lance this offseason. I was kind
Speaker 1: of looking to actually scoop up a share of Lance
Speaker 1: or two, not so much the discount I was looking for.
Speaker 1: I thought people might be freaked out that Jimmy g
Speaker 1: hadn't been moved yet, but at least, like there's hope.
Speaker 1: I think you can tell a story that maybe Lance
Speaker 1: is going to be at least a league average passer
Speaker 1: and a Fantasy bros ECR. Just to clarify here, it's
Speaker 1: ten for Lance, so guy that we haven't seen start
Speaker 1: even half a season ad is a QB one, it
Speaker 1: hurts his twelve, So both going as QB one. So
Speaker 1: I'm with you, who's your QB fits So it's Russell Wilson,
Speaker 1: which hurts me. Man, I'm a Wisconsin guy, And like,
Speaker 1: I'm not that freaked out about Ross not really looking
Speaker 1: like himself down the stretch last year because he had
Speaker 1: that gnarly finger injury. I mean it looked like he
Speaker 1: had been in an industrial accident or something, you know,
Speaker 1: So I'm not surprised that he was, you know, airmailing
Speaker 1: his receivers on some of those throws and just missing
Speaker 1: guys and like the chemistry with DK Metcalf just completely evaporated.
Speaker 1: What worries me a little more is that, like part
Speaker 1: of what made Ross such a special player was his evasiveness.
Speaker 1: He just had that great move And I think Seahawks
Speaker 1: fans are going to know exactly what I'm talking about
Speaker 1: because they've seen it hundreds of times where in edge
Speaker 1: usher was bearing down on him and Russ would just
Speaker 1: have this like real tight little spin that he would
Speaker 1: use to like kind of peel around that edge rusher
Speaker 1: and basically run into the space the edge rusher just
Speaker 1: vacated and now he's on the move, has bought himself sometime.
Speaker 1: His receivers have time to like shake their defenders and
Speaker 1: get open. Russ can run it. He can find one
Speaker 1: of those open guys. A lot of big plays have
Speaker 1: come that way. And last year I did not see
Speaker 1: that from Ross at all, Like I did not see
Speaker 1: him evade pass rushers like he used. He said he's
Speaker 1: tired of getting hit, right, I mean, yeah, he's said that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he always had to because Seattle never believes in investing
Speaker 1: in their offensive line and he's not for his life,
Speaker 1: yeah exactly. So yeah, they finally draft take a top
Speaker 1: offensive lineman, go figure. So anyway, like I worry that
Speaker 1: non evasive Ross it's not going to be as valuable.
Speaker 1: And I think a lot of people are, you know,
Speaker 1: attracted to him that he's in Denver, like it's the
Speaker 1: way to get in on that passing game without having
Speaker 1: to choose between Jerry Judy and Courtland Sutton. But I
Speaker 1: mean last year, so before the finger injury, nine point
Speaker 1: six yards per attempt. I think that was through five
Speaker 1: weeks after the finger injury seven point h yards per attempt.
Speaker 1: And there's no way gave himself enough time. He was
Speaker 1: all about not missing any time, and he came back
Speaker 1: too fast, I feel, I mean, he only threw for
Speaker 1: more than two hundred and fifty yards once in his
Speaker 1: final nine games after that finger injury. So lowesst qbr
Speaker 1: of his career. Yeah, man, I just I'm a little
Speaker 1: worried and like on the Fantasy Pros Dynasty trade value
Speaker 1: chart says that in super Flex, he's roughly equivalent to
Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts. I'd rather have Hurt, Austin Eckler, Stefan Diggs,
Speaker 1: Jalen Waddle. I think I'd rather have all those guys,
Speaker 1: even in super Flex. And I know that I he
Speaker 1: you know, preaches the economy of super flex in the
Speaker 1: importance of the quarterbacks, but I think in this case,
Speaker 1: I would rather have some of those position guys. Is
Speaker 1: you what do you think of Russ? Are you out
Speaker 1: on Russ too? Or is this a bad take from fits?
Speaker 1: I love arguments. Yeah, well, it's funny. I would have said,
Speaker 1: I've kind of always been out on Russ up until
Speaker 1: at this point. I'm kind of his prices come down
Speaker 1: enough to where it's worth it. You know, Seattle was
Speaker 1: League low and past attempts. Last season, Denver, even with
Speaker 1: their Teddy Bridgewater and Drew Lock poopoo platter, they passed
Speaker 1: the ball I think thirty two times a game. So
Speaker 1: I think Denver has a more likelihood that just even
Speaker 1: four or five fast attempts additional for Russ is can
Speaker 1: equate to another three or four potential opportunities for run
Speaker 1: after the year, you know, yards after the cast that
Speaker 1: should be you know, yards per attempt perspective, that should
Speaker 1: be an extra What is that twenty five yards a
Speaker 1: game just going to Denver. I've never been a big
Speaker 1: Russ fan. I felt like it was it was a
Speaker 1: limited ceiling in Seattle, the way that their offenses run.
Speaker 1: And I think Denver is bringing him in and I
Speaker 1: believe they've always wanted to open things up, and this
Speaker 1: gives them the opportunity to do so. And you're getting
Speaker 1: Russ at kind of like a discount because now he's
Speaker 1: kind of starting to age out of high value and
Speaker 1: he's still being drafted as a QB one. But you know,
Speaker 1: if you think about Russ three, four or five years ago,
Speaker 1: he was being drafted as a mid to high QB one.
Speaker 1: So he's a top five quarterback and full years ago.
Speaker 1: And I think that he's probably gonna have his best
Speaker 1: seasons over the next couple of seasons in Denver. So
Speaker 1: I'm more likely to try to acquire him now than
Speaker 1: I have ever tried to acquire him. But like like
Speaker 1: Thatt was saying, if if all of the concerns Pat
Speaker 1: mentioning are true, then what's gonna end up happening is
Speaker 1: his dynasty value is gonna you know, just it's it's
Speaker 1: gonna crash. So, I mean, there is some risks there,
Speaker 1: but I think the potential reward there is enough to
Speaker 1: justify being on the other other side of that. Uh.
Speaker 1: The guy that I'm gonna pick here is to Ah
Speaker 1: and I do like to Ah a lot. Uh. And
Speaker 1: they're doing everything they possibly can in Miami to put
Speaker 1: tools around him. Obviously, they you know, traded for Tyreek Hill.
Speaker 1: They brought in some running backs as well. Mike Kasicki
Speaker 1: is staying like they are doing everything they can to
Speaker 1: make him great. But I think it's a new coaching
Speaker 1: staff that didn't draft him. Uh. It seemed like last
Speaker 1: year that all these Deshaun Watson rumors seem like they
Speaker 1: did want to replace him. I know that was a
Speaker 1: little you know, coach first GM and GM wins out
Speaker 1: in that, so Toah is still there a guy. But
Speaker 1: I think we're just gonna get a one year look
Speaker 1: at Tah and if you know they don't like him,
Speaker 1: he is going to be gone. And it's the arm strength.
Speaker 1: And I think also when you see all of these tools,
Speaker 1: you're gonna say, we gotta get somebody else in here.
Speaker 1: We gotta get someone with an arm that can throw
Speaker 1: downhill to waddle, that can throw downhill to tyreek h
Speaker 1: that that can throw Gisicki open. And this is gonna
Speaker 1: be a run first offense. So you know, right now
Speaker 1: Tua is going off at QB eighteen in ECR. They're
Speaker 1: just guys below him that I would rather have car Wilson.
Speaker 1: I would still take mac cousins um and pick it
Speaker 1: mac Wilson that is by the way, but I would
Speaker 1: take those guys over to Ah. I just don't know
Speaker 1: that he fits. And this is gonna be run first.
Speaker 1: Is this the guy that you were talking about? Is
Speaker 1: he that that is number one on your list? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: with a with a bullet um. Now listen, the risk
Speaker 1: really comes down to the fact that if Mike McDaniels
Speaker 1: is legitimate and they've surrounded him with all of the
Speaker 1: right pieces that if he fails here, right, I mean,
Speaker 1: he's just not good. But you know, I've I've always
Speaker 1: been an anti to a guy coming into the league,
Speaker 1: so I've kind of I feel justified in my take
Speaker 1: because what's hap was transpired. I mean, Miami I think
Speaker 1: was eighth and past attempts last season and two it
Speaker 1: was like bottom of the league and just about every
Speaker 1: passing category. So like he's just not he's just not good. Well,
Speaker 1: he hasn't been good now if he's surrounded by the
Speaker 1: right pieces, maybe, but like you said, they're gonna they're
Speaker 1: gonna run more so if his past attempts are going
Speaker 1: to come down from eighth in the league to probably
Speaker 1: somewhere in the middle half. I mean San Francisco last
Speaker 1: last last year was thirtieth in the league. So if
Speaker 1: that's if that's the coaching tree that Mike is coming
Speaker 1: from and he's gonna take Miami from eight to thirtieth,
Speaker 1: he's gonna have to have some serious efficiency increases for
Speaker 1: him to haven't have a good ROI based on where
Speaker 1: he's being taken, right, now, so I agree with you,
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not a too a guy. I do
Speaker 1: think that if anything, what's gonna happening, he's gonna turn
Speaker 1: into like a you know, Jimmy G two point zero
Speaker 1: where he's gonna get the ball into space to these
Speaker 1: playmakers and they're just gonna do all of the work.
Speaker 1: But that still doesn't make too a great fantasy quarterback either.
Speaker 1: There's going to be a huge, huge volume increase from
Speaker 1: what San Francisco did to what Miami's gonna do for
Speaker 1: him to act actually be a QB one with Mike
Speaker 1: Daniels there. Yeah, when your quarterback is not, you know,
Speaker 1: making throws to take the ball out out of your hands,
Speaker 1: they give it to running backs and they brought in
Speaker 1: every running back here, Pat are you where are you at?
Speaker 1: On too it? Do you think eighteen is fair? Is
Speaker 1: it a little too high? Is a way too high?
Speaker 1: What do you think? Yeah? I mean I tend to
Speaker 1: be with you, guys. I mean I've got him in
Speaker 1: a super flex league where he and Kyler are my
Speaker 1: top two quarterbacks, and I'm obviously delighted at what they did.
Speaker 1: Not only the pass catchers, Tyreek Hill, Chase Edmonds. You know,
Speaker 1: he's still got jail and waddle and gets sicky to
Speaker 1: Ron Armstead to protect you know, the left side, which
Speaker 1: is key. So yeah, they are giving him no excuses
Speaker 1: whatever whatsoever. And if he fails, he's likely to do
Speaker 1: new career as a backup. Like this is his time,
Speaker 1: and I worry, like you guys that he's just more
Speaker 1: of a game manager than a playmaker. And like the
Speaker 1: game manager thing, it's going to be glaring if you
Speaker 1: can't fully utilize Tyreek Hill and jail and waddle and
Speaker 1: the kind of speed that he's going to have. You know,
Speaker 1: those guys can take the top off a defense. Kin
Speaker 1: two would take advantage of that. And like you know,
Speaker 1: with his arm strength, there's a recent and think maybe
Speaker 1: he can't. He did it at Alabama, so like I
Speaker 1: don't want to completely wreck to a he did at Alabama.
Speaker 1: He's moving further away from this hip surgery, which has
Speaker 1: got to be just better for him, so there are
Speaker 1: like avenues to him succeeding. But I did the arm
Speaker 1: strength and the whole. If it's your third year, if
Speaker 1: you don't do it this year with all these weapons,
Speaker 1: you're out. I just know. And the QB class next
Speaker 1: year looking for pretty good. I just I don't have
Speaker 1: a ton of confidence long term, and too we're gonna
Speaker 1: move to running backs before we do. I gotta just
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Speaker 1: Who are you know? You can give us a couple,
Speaker 1: you can give us one, however many one? Who are
Speaker 1: the running backs that you are out on in dynasty
Speaker 1: value right now? Yeah? So that's a big thing, is value.
Speaker 1: So I'm trying to think of what are the higher
Speaker 1: end guys that I'm not too excited about. And I'm
Speaker 1: an agist when it comes to dynasty. Used to not
Speaker 1: be so I used to you know, be all about
Speaker 1: these older players. But what's happened is there's been a
Speaker 1: shift in the economy in dynasty. And I'm a big
Speaker 1: proponent of flexible assets. The more flexible assets you have
Speaker 1: on your roster, the easier it is to pivot, and
Speaker 1: the easier it is for you to acquire the players
Speaker 1: that you're looking to acquire. If you have these older
Speaker 1: players that there's no market for them, there's no economy
Speaker 1: for them in your leagues, then they're you're kind of
Speaker 1: you're kind of they're fixed assets, so you're stuck having
Speaker 1: them on your roster and you got to die with
Speaker 1: them essentially like if you had Julio Jones over the
Speaker 1: last few years, you're stuck, like nobody's taking them off
Speaker 1: your hands. So the best bet is to get rid
Speaker 1: of them at a certain you know, at certain age,
Speaker 1: and that age for running backs happens to be twenty
Speaker 1: six years old, So that's when you want to get
Speaker 1: out from your running backs. So once they hit twenty seven,
Speaker 1: their value starts to well, it peaks, and then from
Speaker 1: there any and all turbulence will you know, continue to
Speaker 1: spiral out of control for dynasty value. So the big
Speaker 1: the big two for me one Austin Eckler. Now he's
Speaker 1: everybody's favorite, I think from a from a fantasy perspective,
Speaker 1: great from a dynas perspective. I don't love it for
Speaker 1: a couple of reasons. One, he's never been outside of
Speaker 1: a last year, he's never been a big touchdown guy.
Speaker 1: He went from one touchdown, let's say, three touchdowns in
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen because he actually played sixeen gas. I know
Speaker 1: Melvin Gordon was there, but he went to twelve. But
Speaker 1: now they brought in Isaiah Spiller, So how does that
Speaker 1: impact inside the twenty His weight and goal is more
Speaker 1: on the receiving side. So that's where all of his
Speaker 1: value is predicated is on the receiving side. And his
Speaker 1: reception seventy receptions for six, forty seven and eight is fantastic. However,
Speaker 1: he's a twenty se He just turned twenty seven today,
Speaker 1: So his value next year, no matter what he does,
Speaker 1: will be lower than it is today. And that's assuming
Speaker 1: that he plays a full slate of scheduling, Assuming that
Speaker 1: Isaiah Spiller does not even touched the field this year
Speaker 1: he gets red shirted. Eckler's still get a struggle to
Speaker 1: maintain value. So you know, he's had, you know, a
Speaker 1: couple injuries in the past. You know, obviously twenty twenty
Speaker 1: eight an injury in twenty eighteen, he got injured. So
Speaker 1: I look at Austin Eckler and he's kind of sitting
Speaker 1: there with you. You're left with a low ceiling because
Speaker 1: we saw what his ceiling was last year. We got
Speaker 1: his full sixteen game slate. He got a full twenty
Speaker 1: touchdown you know, essential maybe he had two hundred and
Speaker 1: six carries and seventy receptions. He managed twenty touchdowns. That's
Speaker 1: a massive touchdown rate relative to the touchdowns that he
Speaker 1: touches that he got, so I look at it. His
Speaker 1: yards per touch were pretty low relative to where it's
Speaker 1: been in the past, so he's being utilized more as
Speaker 1: a runner obviously, But two hundred carries, I think that
Speaker 1: comes down with Isaiah Spiller in tow and then you
Speaker 1: got um the s every receptions, I think kind of
Speaker 1: stays stays. Pat might go up a little bit, but
Speaker 1: not enough to keep his value flow going in the
Speaker 1: next year, so he'd be an easy sell for me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's going off right now RB six, he's ranked Dynasty
Speaker 1: ECR and and you know you trade a guy like this,
Speaker 1: who is you know, valued at six right now? He's
Speaker 1: gonna net you back a lot, So you know this
Speaker 1: is a prime time to trade a guy like that. Well,
Speaker 1: what do you think, Pat? Are you at number six?
Speaker 1: Are you in or out? On Eckler? Oh? Is he
Speaker 1: totally nailed this one? I mean the it was a
Speaker 1: heroic twenty twenty one season Frost and Eckler, no question
Speaker 1: about it. But it filled the Austin Ekeler bubble bubble
Speaker 1: with helium, and that bubble does look ready to burst.
Speaker 1: I mean they've been saying the chargers have been telling
Speaker 1: us they don't want Austin Ekeler to have this sort
Speaker 1: of workload that he handled last year. They drafted Josh
Speaker 1: Kelly two years ago, he stunk. They drafted Larry Rowntree
Speaker 1: last year, couldn't get on the field. He obviously stunk.
Speaker 1: They drafted Isaiah Spiller this year. So one of these
Speaker 1: years they're going to get it right with this complimentary back.
Speaker 1: And you know, maybe they did with Spiller, who, uh,
Speaker 1: you know was pretty pretty much early in the pre
Speaker 1: draft AFT process before he tested poorly at the combine,
Speaker 1: like the consensus two or three running back. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: so good reason to believe he's the guy who's finally
Speaker 1: going to like take that significant chunk of early down
Speaker 1: carries and you know, sort of sap the value away
Speaker 1: from Meckler. And you know he mentioned the age thing too. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Like we know the AJPEX for running backs is like
Speaker 1: I think twenty four point seven is what player profiler
Speaker 1: found in a study. So yeah, he's on the wrong
Speaker 1: side of that. And honestly, like I look at Austin
Speaker 1: Eckler and Aaron Jones, both twenty seven year old running backs.
Speaker 1: Give me, let me trade aust Eckler and receive Aaron Jones.
Speaker 1: Plus I mean, if you're expecting, you know, you're gonna
Speaker 1: expect similar sort of production out of both of them
Speaker 1: this year, and who knows what's going to happen, you know,
Speaker 1: next year with both players, like going into twenty twenty three.
Speaker 1: But I'm going to get literally Aaron Jones at whatever
Speaker 1: RB like, he's in the RB sevente depending on where
Speaker 1: you look. He's in between RB seventeen and twenty two
Speaker 1: in Dynasty, and you're probably I would argue that Aaron
Speaker 1: Jones is going to have a better season than Auson Neckler. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: and you know, I mean touchdown regression is coming. You're
Speaker 1: not gonna get twenty back to back years. I'm not
Speaker 1: saying it's out of the realm of possibility. We see
Speaker 1: what Ackler did. If he repeats what he did last year,
Speaker 1: then yeah he can do it, but no one should
Speaker 1: expect that. So going off at six is very very high.
Speaker 1: Pat who do you have as a player you don't
Speaker 1: want because of their value right now in Dynasty? So
Speaker 1: the bubble on this guy is not quite as inflated
Speaker 1: as it is with Ackler, but it's Ezekiel Elliott and
Speaker 1: he's another one of those guys who has aged out
Speaker 1: of his most productive years. He's going to be into
Speaker 1: his age twenty seven season. I mean, nineteen hundred and
Speaker 1: ninety career carries in six years if we include the playoffs,
Speaker 1: three hundred and ninety six career catches, at least two
Speaker 1: hundred and sixty eight touches every year in his six
Speaker 1: year career. I mean, this guy's got a lot of
Speaker 1: mileage on the odometer. So it's not only twenty seven,
Speaker 1: but kind of in old twenty seven. And yes, he
Speaker 1: played with a partially torn PCL last year, but really
Speaker 1: wasn't all that effective and hasn't paid for the last
Speaker 1: two years. Over his first four seasons four point six
Speaker 1: yards per carry, the last two years four point one
Speaker 1: yards per carry. And I know it's kind of a
Speaker 1: trash stat and people are probably you know, for bringing
Speaker 1: it up, but I mean, also yards per catch have
Speaker 1: completely capsized for him, Like his first four seasons eleven
Speaker 1: point three, ten point three, seven point four, and seven
Speaker 1: point eight yards per catch, the last two years six
Speaker 1: point five and six point one. So he's definitely becoming
Speaker 1: less efficient and less explosive and totally Pollard is good.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's not going anywhere. And like we saw
Speaker 1: with the end of the Mike McCarthy era in Green Bay,
Speaker 1: like when we had the free Aaron Jones movement, like
Speaker 1: McCarthy likes to use more than one back, so Zeke
Speaker 1: is not going back to that, you know, crazy usage.
Speaker 1: We saunder Jason Garrett in Dallas like, he's not getting that,
Speaker 1: and I don't think he's really up for it anyway.
Speaker 1: So um price is kind of falling. Our dynasty trade
Speaker 1: value charts as like Davis Mills and super Flex Gabriel Davis,
Speaker 1: Mike Williams, Dallas Goddard are like comparable values, and I
Speaker 1: think I'd rather have some of those guys, quite honestly,
Speaker 1: even those still got that superstar crad. But you know,
Speaker 1: find the find the manager in your league who enjoyed
Speaker 1: some of the salad days with Ezekiel Elliott and see
Speaker 1: if they're still interested. I think I might be that
Speaker 1: guy in a couple of those leagues, because look, I
Speaker 1: know you can't say that he's going to go up
Speaker 1: to fifteen hundred yards and fifteen touchdowns is not gonna
Speaker 1: happen again, right, Uh, I don't see it happening for Zeke,
Speaker 1: But I do like the fact that right now he's
Speaker 1: a low end RB two. He's RB twenty two for
Speaker 1: PPR in Dynasty as it stands right now, And I
Speaker 1: still think there's touchdown outside because the offense is good
Speaker 1: in Dallas, but he is definitely perceived as more valuable
Speaker 1: than he actually is right now. So is he What
Speaker 1: do you think of Zeke? Do you think twenty two
Speaker 1: is appropriate? Do you think that's still too high because
Speaker 1: he's about to fall off the ledge here? Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: he's funny. He was like my number one cell last season,
Speaker 1: kind of anti Zeke. So even at this value, Yeah,
Speaker 1: the price has fallen so far that you know, you know,
Speaker 1: right see, but that's what it makes you do. It's like,
Speaker 1: you know, it's gonna get a little further than this,
Speaker 1: But is it gonna get further than this in the
Speaker 1: next two three years of low end RB two? It
Speaker 1: could This year Pallard could could pass him. I mean,
Speaker 1: here's the thing. Paulard's been more efficient than him in
Speaker 1: the last two seasons, both seasons across the board efficiency
Speaker 1: Tony Pollard. Now you can make the argument that their
Speaker 1: touches are different, and that's that's totally true. You can
Speaker 1: make that argument. But if you look at just the
Speaker 1: receiving game totally, Pollard is significantly better than Zeke in
Speaker 1: the receiving department. So you can venture to like, Tony
Speaker 1: Pollard just has more juice. It's evident you can want.
Speaker 1: Not only you don't even have to look at the
Speaker 1: advanced analytics on it. You can look at watch the games.
Speaker 1: Watching the games, Zeke looks, he looks toast. And the
Speaker 1: reason why I had so done the whole sell on
Speaker 1: Zeke is he was the type of guy and I said,
Speaker 1: he's the type of guy that once he gets his
Speaker 1: big contract, I don't think that he's gonna grind. I
Speaker 1: think he's gonna mail it in. And that's what it
Speaker 1: looks like is happening with Zeke. And even at RB
Speaker 1: we have him at RB twenty I think you said
Speaker 1: he had at RB twenty two that Fantasy pros yeah, Ecry, yeah,
Speaker 1: And I mean he's like right neck and neck with
Speaker 1: rby twenty one twenty two, they're all in that same pocket.
Speaker 1: And honestly, like god, it's so hard to say that
Speaker 1: a guy that was three year years ago, it is
Speaker 1: like Borderline RB one is now RB twenty and he's
Speaker 1: been healthy is just wild to me. Yeah, he's not
Speaker 1: even the most dramatic, because guys like Girley just completely fall. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but his at least was attributed to an injury. He's played.
Speaker 1: He's played, and he's completely lost all of his value.
Speaker 1: So I think I think the floor continues to get
Speaker 1: to bottoms out from me here for Zeke. That being said,
Speaker 1: you start looking at Zeke relative to what you're looking
Speaker 1: at the Elijah Mitchell's, you're looking at the Leonard Fournett's,
Speaker 1: the Josh Jacobs, the Ajal like these are the guys
Speaker 1: that are below him. I will you can make an
Speaker 1: argument that I'm okay trading as Zeke Elliott in exchange
Speaker 1: for a James Connor. Plus, if I can get a
Speaker 1: lot EXTRODUC and James Connor, I'll take it. And then
Speaker 1: I think both of them are really only going to
Speaker 1: be relevant for the next year. And then I don't
Speaker 1: know what's going to happen with Zeke, but that's probably
Speaker 1: what I look to do. So I agree more with
Speaker 1: Pat that he's definitely I do not touch, do not acquire.
Speaker 1: But there comes a point I think if his value
Speaker 1: drops down into like the aj Dillon range, he becomes
Speaker 1: a Okay, fine, I'll acquire him for that, right Yeah,
Speaker 1: And that's that's where we're we're standing out on everyone.
Speaker 1: And I know Pat was upset to hear that aj
Speaker 1: Dillon because Pat is the leader and president and founder
Speaker 1: of the jaland's good. He's good, but he's still he's
Speaker 1: splitting carries with they're in Jones at best. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I agree. Uh, let's my my running backs here. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna go a little bit further down the board here. Um,
Speaker 1: and I have c EH and Devin Singletary as guys
Speaker 1: that I don't want now. Their values aren't terrible. Ch
Speaker 1: is twenty eight, Devin Singletary is thirty five right now.
Speaker 1: But I was a c H guy. I thought he
Speaker 1: had that. You know what Austin Eckler is doing with
Speaker 1: the Chargers. Have thought, Oh, maybe we're gonna see that
Speaker 1: he's in a good offense. He's you know, he doesn't
Speaker 1: have to be the first option because Hill and Kelsey
Speaker 1: are there. It hasn't worked out so far. Last season
Speaker 1: forty fourth in total points at RB, twenty ninth in
Speaker 1: average so he's not even sniffing RB two right now,
Speaker 1: and he's valued in that borderline because he's on the Chiefs.
Speaker 1: And I don't hate Ronald Jones. Ronald Jones actually look
Speaker 1: good spelling Leonard Fournette a little bit last year. He's
Speaker 1: not as good as Leonard Fournette, but I don't know
Speaker 1: that he's worse than Ceh. So I would not surprise
Speaker 1: me to see Ronald Jones be the leading carrier in
Speaker 1: this backfield next season. And Devin Singletary, just like I
Speaker 1: know he had a big run at the end of
Speaker 1: last season. Everything, I don't care. James Cook is better
Speaker 1: than him. I think all around, he's faster, he can
Speaker 1: play in the slot. I think he's gonna be more valuable.
Speaker 1: I think the coaching staff is going to see that.
Speaker 1: And you know, Devin Singletary is gonna go by the
Speaker 1: wayside a little further and further into the season. I
Speaker 1: think Cook is going to take more and more touches.
Speaker 1: Cook is than a guy that's built to take, you know,
Speaker 1: twenty thirty touches like his brother, But I think he's
Speaker 1: gonna do enough to eat into Devin Singletary. So is
Speaker 1: he what do you think of c and Singletary there, yeah,
Speaker 1: I was starting with Singletary. I don't think there's like
Speaker 1: he's become complete irrelevant. He's being drafted as an RB
Speaker 1: three right almost borderline RB four. So I can see
Speaker 1: either direction with that. You can go either way. Um
Speaker 1: with ch it's interesting because his value is now like
Speaker 1: if you look at his his career arc, it's it's
Speaker 1: following the Miles Sanders train. And interestingly, Doug Peterson comes
Speaker 1: from Andy Reid's yeah you know system. And this is
Speaker 1: the big thing that I kind of was concerned about
Speaker 1: with ch coming in. Like if if if Andy Reid
Speaker 1: and Doug Peterson were willing to have Nile Davis eating
Speaker 1: heavily into Jamal charles workload and Jamal Charles is prime,
Speaker 1: then you're gonna have an issue with Clyde. I mean
Speaker 1: you look at Brian Westbrook and Jamal Charles and both
Speaker 1: of those guys. I mean, Jamal Charles is one of
Speaker 1: the most efficient running backs of all actually, he is
Speaker 1: the most efficient running back on the ground of all
Speaker 1: time statistically, So you look at that, yeah, yeah, yeah, um,
Speaker 1: so like he had an uphill climb from the get go,
Speaker 1: Like we were they were not gonna give Clyde the
Speaker 1: workload you would need. He would have needed to have
Speaker 1: been in a Hall of Fame level, running back to
Speaker 1: even Garner the possibility of that happening. But now he's
Speaker 1: at a situation where he's being drafted. Like you said,
Speaker 1: we have him at twenty eight as well, So we
Speaker 1: have him and you have him in the middle of
Speaker 1: the as a as an mid RB three, And now
Speaker 1: I'm like, Okay, Ronald Jones doesn't worry me. If he
Speaker 1: didn't worry me behind Leonard Fournette in Tampa Bay, he's
Speaker 1: not going to worry me in Kansas City. He's a
Speaker 1: zero in the passing game, and that's a big no no.
Speaker 1: I'm surprised Andy Readim brought him in. So I look
Speaker 1: at this with Ceh and said, Okay, now we're at
Speaker 1: a spot where his floor from a production perspective and
Speaker 1: a value perspective is reasonable to where I'm okay acquiring
Speaker 1: him as an RB twenty eight and or RB twenty
Speaker 1: eight as a mid RB three and saying, Okay, if
Speaker 1: he gets me some flex appeal, great, but if he
Speaker 1: bombs out, I don't actually lose that much equity. What
Speaker 1: do you think gets and Singletary fits. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: I I've always thought Singletary was kind of an overachiever,
Speaker 1: and but obviously the arrival of Cook kind of diminishes
Speaker 1: his role. They just didn't have adequate committee backs in
Speaker 1: Zach Moss and Matt Barrita last year and they were
Speaker 1: kind of forced to turn to Singletary and give him
Speaker 1: that big Everybody accept the Bills coaching staff thought Zach
Speaker 1: Moss was good. You know, he is in active week one. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's crazy. So and we know that unless he had
Speaker 1: that sort of massive load that he had down the stretch,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be hard for a Buffalo back to be
Speaker 1: truly valuable as a member of a committee because Josh Allen,
Speaker 1: almost as good as that offense is, he kind of
Speaker 1: SAPs running back value. He runs in touchdowns himself. He
Speaker 1: doesn't really throw to his backs that much. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm kind of with you on Singletary's value, you know,
Speaker 1: taking a big hit this offseason and cech Man, I mean,
Speaker 1: the Chiefs. Chiefs fans like, you've got the best barbecue
Speaker 1: in the world, You've got Strouds Chick and you've got
Speaker 1: the Plaza. But your team drafted Cech ahead of Jonathan Taylor.
Speaker 1: You can't feel good about that? And yeah, yeah, I've
Speaker 1: you know, I guess I've been out on Cch ever
Speaker 1: since after that first that Thursday night to be against
Speaker 1: the Texans when he looked so good, and it's kind
Speaker 1: of been downhill ever since. So I was excited about him.
Speaker 1: But you know, I JT was my number one. So Izzie,
Speaker 1: let's go to wide receivers here. Who do you got
Speaker 1: as wide receivers in dynasty that their values too high
Speaker 1: and you don't want any part of them right now?
Speaker 1: This is a tougher, tougher dry I feel, because you
Speaker 1: can go a multiple of different ways with who you
Speaker 1: don't want to touch. Since one of you guys is
Speaker 1: covering I can't remember who it was, you know, the
Speaker 1: Eagles side of things, I'll pivot and kind of go
Speaker 1: back to the Age side of things. Even Davante Adams
Speaker 1: not touching Stefan Diggs. I'm not touching both for the
Speaker 1: same reasons they're both you know, being drafted his top
Speaker 1: fifteen receivers. We have Davanta Adams at seven, and for me,
Speaker 1: it's Davanta Adams is arguably the best receiver in the league. Okay,
Speaker 1: The problem is at this at his age, Julio Jones
Speaker 1: was also considered the best receiver in the league, and
Speaker 1: you could make a case that at twenty eight, Deandrew
Speaker 1: Hopkins was the best receiver at the league in the league.
Speaker 1: So now Davanta Adams is twenty nine, and we've seen
Speaker 1: historically with eight with receivers in age twenty seven is
Speaker 1: the highest their value becomes. Cooper Cup is actually the
Speaker 1: only is the exception of the rule, only because he
Speaker 1: won the Triple Crown and he had ridiculous stats. Okay,
Speaker 1: he and he came from nothing to somewhere, right, So
Speaker 1: he was a you know, he was outside the top
Speaker 1: twenty and then he had the top season in the league. Right,
Speaker 1: So that makes sense. But for a guy that's already
Speaker 1: being highly coveted and highly drafted, it's going to be impossible.
Speaker 1: It is impossible for Davanta Adams to maintain value going
Speaker 1: into next year one. I will put my life on it. Then,
Speaker 1: no matter what Davanta Adams does this season, his ADP
Speaker 1: from a receiver perspective will be low seven. You can
Speaker 1: make the case that Tyreek Hills is going to be
Speaker 1: the same thing and Sefon Diggs. They will all go
Speaker 1: down and value just like DeAndre Hopkins did, just like
Speaker 1: Julio Julio Jones had like seventeen hundred yards and he
Speaker 1: still lost value going to age thirty. Yeah yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean there's um they're going off at six and eight
Speaker 1: right now, so fit fits. It's hard right now anycr Anyway,
Speaker 1: you know Davanta Adams is six, Diggs is eight or
Speaker 1: are you Are you out on Adams or Digs or
Speaker 1: is this a little premature? Do you think I'm mostly out?
Speaker 1: I mean I'm not. I guess if my championship window
Speaker 1: was Pride Open and Dynasty. I'm not necessarily looking to
Speaker 1: sell those guys because I think they can help you
Speaker 1: this year. But I agree with Izzy like it would
Speaker 1: be a long shot for Adams to equal his twenty
Speaker 1: twenty one production with the Raiders. I mean, we know
Speaker 1: team changing wide receivers generally do not fare as well
Speaker 1: in their first year with their new teams. Even though
Speaker 1: Adams and Derek Carr made beautiful music together for two
Speaker 1: seasons at Fresno State, Like car Or, Adams just put
Speaker 1: up ridiculous numbers. Those two years. But there's no way
Speaker 1: he's going to have that same sort of chemistry that
Speaker 1: he developed with Aaron Rodgers. It's just not going to
Speaker 1: be quite the same. And it won't be the same. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's Aaron Rodger will not be right. Yeah, So agree
Speaker 1: with Issy there. I think I agree with him on
Speaker 1: Diggs too. You know, it's it's been a really good
Speaker 1: run for Diggs in Buffalo. I could see it continuing
Speaker 1: for another year or two, but this probably is not
Speaker 1: a bad time to get out. And these are guys
Speaker 1: that are still no one's gonna be surprised if they
Speaker 1: put up wide receiverer one numbers, right, but no one
Speaker 1: will be shocked. But it's just their value right now,
Speaker 1: their value is probably worth more than they're going to
Speaker 1: give you, even if that is wide receiver one numbers.
Speaker 1: So you can get back more for these guys, h
Speaker 1: that that will improve your team overall. That's kind of
Speaker 1: the point here, right he Yeah, And the and the
Speaker 1: sharp play would be like, Okay, well I can go
Speaker 1: get I can go get the discount Davanta Adams and
Speaker 1: go get Mike Evans for half the price. I can
Speaker 1: go get the discounts to fan Diggs and go get
Speaker 1: Keenan Allen for half the price, So why wouldn't Why
Speaker 1: wouldn't you do that? It's kind of like the obstinacular
Speaker 1: to Aaron Jones things, there are discount versions of players. Now,
Speaker 1: Mike Evans give you Davanta Adams one hundred percent production, No,
Speaker 1: but he'd probably be eighty percent of Davanta Adams. Same
Speaker 1: thing with with Keenan Allen. Keenan Allen might actually put
Speaker 1: up more points than Stefon Diggs this season, and honestly
Speaker 1: they're two years apart. But Keenan Allen's kind of his
Speaker 1: values pretty much. It's it's not going to dip too
Speaker 1: much further from here over the next couple of years,
Speaker 1: like we saw with Fits going into age thirty thirty two,
Speaker 1: thirty three, thirty four, like the decline and value starts
Speaker 1: to slowly depreciate over time. He's already hit his big depreciation.
Speaker 1: Sefund Diggs hasn't hit that yet. He'll hit that next year,
Speaker 1: where now we're gonna be talking about Sepun Diggs in
Speaker 1: the Mike Evans tier territory for value and then you
Speaker 1: can look at acquiring him. But right now you should
Speaker 1: get out from under him and pivot to like a
Speaker 1: Keenan Allen and get the same production for half the price. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I love that mentality too. Of there is you know,
Speaker 1: the main guy, there's the discount guy, then there's the
Speaker 1: dollar general guy. Right, there's always a version of these
Speaker 1: guys because you know, skill sets are different productions, production
Speaker 1: levels are usually the same moving down on teams, so
Speaker 1: uh fits wide receivers here who you out on? All right,
Speaker 1: I'll give you an opening act and a headliner, and
Speaker 1: the opening act is a guy who used to be
Speaker 1: a headliner. He's, you know, kind of past peek. And
Speaker 1: maybe this is kind of an obvious one because it's
Speaker 1: Adam Feeling going into his age thirty two season, and
Speaker 1: I feel like this might be your last opportunity to
Speaker 1: get something for him, even if it's a little something.
Speaker 1: Age thirty two season. Last year cratered inefficiency ten point
Speaker 1: eight yards per catch, seven point six yards per target,
Speaker 1: both career lows. Justin Jefferson's a target hog. kJ Osborne
Speaker 1: pretty decent, admittedly not expensive, but our trade value chart
Speaker 1: has him equivalent in value to Brian Robinson, the rookie
Speaker 1: running back on Washington Khalil Shaker, another Buffalo rookie, Zach Ertz,
Speaker 1: and like, I definitely rather especially if my team wasn't
Speaker 1: going for it this year, maybe kind of rebuilding or
Speaker 1: retooling on the fly. Not a bad idea to see
Speaker 1: if you could get a young player, even if it's
Speaker 1: a Day three rookie pick who you know. We know
Speaker 1: the odds on those guys aren't great, but I'd rather
Speaker 1: take my chances with one of those guys. And then
Speaker 1: the headliner A J. Brown. I mean, his value is
Speaker 1: just so sky high right now, and he just went
Speaker 1: to a team whose quarterback is a mediocre passer at best.
Speaker 1: We talked about it earlier in the show. He went
Speaker 1: to a team that drafted Demonta Smith in the first
Speaker 1: round last year, and that also has Dallas Goddard. So
Speaker 1: it's not like he is going to be Yes, he's
Speaker 1: gonna have a big target share, but is he going
Speaker 1: to have the sort of target share he had with Tennessee.
Speaker 1: He's had some nagging injuries the last couple of years.
Speaker 1: His efficiency numbers really fell off last year, like big
Speaker 1: declines in catch rate, touchdown rate, yards per catch, yards
Speaker 1: per target down across the board. Not saying A J.
Speaker 1: Brown is bad, Like I think he's a very very
Speaker 1: good receiver. We probably STU haven't seen his best season yet,
Speaker 1: but I think the value is higher than it should
Speaker 1: be right now. And considering that, you know, equal values
Speaker 1: on our trade value chart are Dak Prescott in super flex,
Speaker 1: Christian McCaffrey, Naji Harris, DeAndre Swift, Javonte Williams, Kyle Pitts
Speaker 1: like huge difference making players. I'd much rather build on
Speaker 1: one of those guys, any of those guys really, you know,
Speaker 1: McCaffrey's maybe the one who you're kind of towards the
Speaker 1: end of his peak. But give me all those guys
Speaker 1: I think for dynasty over AJB. Yeah, is he? I
Speaker 1: feel like Adam Feelan is like that that price's right
Speaker 1: game with the yodeler, and he's about to fall off
Speaker 1: the cliff. You know, I just feel like we're right there.
Speaker 1: We can't go fifty cents more. He's going to fall
Speaker 1: off the cliff. You know. I think a lot of
Speaker 1: his values site in the touchdowns now, So he's going
Speaker 1: off at fifty three. I don't think that's crazy, but
Speaker 1: he is. He's about to go down to the seventies
Speaker 1: and eighties. If it happens this year, it does, you know,
Speaker 1: So he's just he's right on the each of that.
Speaker 1: AJ Brown. On the other hand, it's tough to say
Speaker 1: you're out on a J. Brown and you're not out,
Speaker 1: but wide receiver is so deep it's not going to
Speaker 1: be shocking if any of the debot T Higgins Metcalfe waddle, like,
Speaker 1: there are so many guys that can move up over
Speaker 1: a J. Brown, And you know you talked about how
Speaker 1: you're not the biggest Jalen Hurtz fan either. I feel
Speaker 1: like A J. Brown made Ryan Tannehill better, so I'm
Speaker 1: not I wouldn't say I'm out on him, but I
Speaker 1: would say that he's probably the end of this top
Speaker 1: tier and I probably won't be rostering him where he's
Speaker 1: going off right now? Or are you in agreement with
Speaker 1: both those guys feeling and A J. Brown here not
Speaker 1: feeling because I think he's kind of like the dollar
Speaker 1: store version of those top end guys. He could have
Speaker 1: a pretty good season, and honestly, the the risk or
Speaker 1: word proposition is in favor of the reward tide of
Speaker 1: things like if Feeling bombs out, you get you're losing
Speaker 1: like late second value. I'd much rather have the potential
Speaker 1: product instead of late second type of value. And like
Speaker 1: like Pat mentioned, clear, Shakier is in his in the
Speaker 1: same window there, like Khalil is probably gonna be a zero.
Speaker 1: Like he's probably not going to be anything in the league.
Speaker 1: So gimme, gimme Theland who could give me one final
Speaker 1: you know, low end QE RB or wide receiver one
Speaker 1: or high end you know, wide receiver two season. That's
Speaker 1: definitely in the range of outcomes if you can stay healthy.
Speaker 1: Um So, I'm okay with Theland because I think he's
Speaker 1: like the dollar store version of those guys we mentioned.
Speaker 1: Um A J. Brown would be on my list, and honestly,
Speaker 1: everything Philadelphia now there's just too much there that needs
Speaker 1: to be fed and there's not enough volume that can
Speaker 1: feed it. So um Aj it hurts because A J.
Speaker 1: Brown was last years he's I think he's the the
Speaker 1: best young receiver in the league, but he's not going
Speaker 1: to give you best young receiver in league production anymore.
Speaker 1: In Devanta, Smith was my most owned rookie receiver and
Speaker 1: then I got Alas Goddard, who I had a ton
Speaker 1: of shares of and now it's all just a giant
Speaker 1: mess and it's being weighed down by Jill and hurts.
Speaker 1: So I completely agree with A. J. Brown, as much
Speaker 1: as it pains me. So yeah, I'm I don't think
Speaker 1: there's any way that he can give you ROI And
Speaker 1: if it does happen, Devanta Smith and Dallas Gotter are
Speaker 1: going to be almost unstartable in fantasy. If that's the case,
Speaker 1: for I agree with those for me. For me, I
Speaker 1: have one that is just a personal opinion of mine,
Speaker 1: and one is to poke. It is he you know,
Speaker 1: he's our guest here. We got to give him a
Speaker 1: hard time a little bit. But the first one for
Speaker 1: me is Chase Claypool. He's right now going off at
Speaker 1: wide receiver forty, which is cheap. It is very, very cheap,
Speaker 1: and you know, I know that's gonna pique some eyebrows,
Speaker 1: but he went Chase Claypool went from his rookie season
Speaker 1: with I mean all of it was tied into his touchdowns,
Speaker 1: but he went from wide receiver twenty three to wide
Speaker 1: receiver thirty eight with the addition of Naji and Faremouth.
Speaker 1: And now we're gonna have George Pickens in this equation
Speaker 1: as well. There's just some guys going behind him. Calvin Ridley,
Speaker 1: even with the issues, Johan Dotson was a first rounder.
Speaker 1: I like him, Tyler Boyd sky More. These guys are
Speaker 1: all going after Claypool at least in ECR right now.
Speaker 1: I'd much rather have all of those guys than Chase
Speaker 1: Claypool long term. Claypool's got a huge frame, high upside,
Speaker 1: match Megatron and all these you know, combine things. I
Speaker 1: get it, but I just don't know. I don't think
Speaker 1: he's ever gonna be Maple Tron, which people want to
Speaker 1: make him because he's Canadian, you know. And then my
Speaker 1: guy to needle here, rashand Bateman at twenty three is
Speaker 1: just a little high for me. And I think rashand
Speaker 1: Bateman could be awesome. And you know, this is the
Speaker 1: old they got to throw the ball to someone. Markis
Speaker 1: Brown is gone, but they still have Andrews. They're trying
Speaker 1: to bring in receiving backs here with Mike Davis and
Speaker 1: drafting Tyler Batty. I think they're they're definitely trying to
Speaker 1: find someone to catch the ball, which hurts me on
Speaker 1: Dobbins a little bit, but that's a whole different story
Speaker 1: because I'm a Dobbins fan, but uh, Bateman, I'm just
Speaker 1: gonna have a little lower because I think I think
Speaker 1: Bateman is a fantastic two. I think you bring someone
Speaker 1: else in eventually to be a one here, and you
Speaker 1: already have Mark Andrews, So I don't know. Bateman is
Speaker 1: just a little too high because I haven't seen him
Speaker 1: do it. He only started four games last year. I
Speaker 1: still think the talent is really good, but I would
Speaker 1: want to buy him as more of a midwide receiver
Speaker 1: three than buy him as a wide receiver two. So
Speaker 1: is he? Since I'm needling you here, since the president
Speaker 1: of the Rashad Bateman Fan Club also Deontay Johnson Fan Club,
Speaker 1: I like that, like that you have both of these
Speaker 1: AFC North guys. I'm I'm a Steelers fan. My dad's
Speaker 1: at hided family is from Pittsburgh, so I was big
Speaker 1: on Deontay and Deontay got like weird. He was all
Speaker 1: over the place in evaluators before coming into the league,
Speaker 1: Bateman wasn't. Bateman was pretty respected. A lot of fantasy
Speaker 1: people were upset that he went to Baltimore because they
Speaker 1: run the ball more than anybody else, but they have
Speaker 1: to throw it. I think he's a good two option.
Speaker 1: I just think he's priced a little high right now.
Speaker 1: So it's not the skill, it's more of the price.
Speaker 1: What do you think of my my Bateman needling you here?
Speaker 1: Twenty twenty, I would agree with you twenty twenty one.
Speaker 1: After twenty twenty, I would agree with you. After twenty
Speaker 1: twenty one, I'm a little bit more optimistic. Baltimore is
Speaker 1: ninth in the NFL and passing attempts, which would be
Speaker 1: a complete shock to just about everybody. So if Lamar
Speaker 1: Jackson can improve his accuracy, which is to be determined,
Speaker 1: I think that there's enough volume if they continue passing.
Speaker 1: You know, they had thirty six attempts per game last season,
Speaker 1: so if they continue that, there's enough there for him
Speaker 1: to support Andrews and Bateman as a wide receiver two.
Speaker 1: So you had mentioned you like him as a midwide receiver. Three.
Speaker 1: I think there's definitely a path there for him to
Speaker 1: be a wide receiver too, like a midwide receiver two,
Speaker 1: and there's no Buddy Duverna is the wide receiver two
Speaker 1: right now? Hey, Hey, hey, I mean so knock on
Speaker 1: un too much. I'm a technist fan here. Yeah, very sorry.
Speaker 1: I'm a Stealers fan too, so you know, but but yeah,
Speaker 1: I get it, I get it. I call I respect that.
Speaker 1: But I think Rashad Bateman is a fantastic receiver. And
Speaker 1: I think that he could be a wide receiver one
Speaker 1: on an offense because technically he's gonna be the wide
Speaker 1: receiver two because Andrews is the wide receiver one. Um.
Speaker 1: But I think there's a path there, like I said,
Speaker 1: for him to to all produces ADP. And he's young
Speaker 1: enough to where even if he puts up a you know,
Speaker 1: high end wide receiver three season, he'll maintain his value,
Speaker 1: if not increase a little bit. So, uh, this is
Speaker 1: not a biased thing, like I'm in on I'm in
Speaker 1: on Bateman. You know, one of my one of my
Speaker 1: do not touches. I mean, I'm the biggest Derek Henry
Speaker 1: supporter since the day he stepped into the NFL, and
Speaker 1: he would be in my do not touch list, So
Speaker 1: like it's I'm not a biased individual here. I I'm
Speaker 1: giving you a straight up opinion. I think I think
Speaker 1: Bateman is not necessarily do not touch. I think he can.
Speaker 1: I think he can return dividends. I'm extremely biased, but
Speaker 1: not when it comes to information I'm I'm putting out
Speaker 1: so uh, That's that's why I don't think they're gonna
Speaker 1: need to pass the ball nearly as much as they
Speaker 1: did last year because hopefully, you know, eight twelfths of
Speaker 1: their secondary doesn't go on ir this season in Baltimore,
Speaker 1: and they want to run the ball. That's the goal
Speaker 1: is to run the ball there. The hardballs run kind
Speaker 1: of the same type of stuff in college and in
Speaker 1: the pros. They want to run the ball. Pat what
Speaker 1: do you think of Claypool and m and Bateman there? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna side with Izzy and gang up on you
Speaker 1: here on the Bateman thing. Bogman. So you know, I
Speaker 1: he is up in the Twin Cities area, and I'm
Speaker 1: like a big ten wonk myself, and and like I
Speaker 1: just love Bateman in his game and think like he's
Speaker 1: really got no glaring holes in his game. Man, Like
Speaker 1: I thought he was a fantastic receiver for the Minnesota
Speaker 1: Golden Gophers, and you know, he just never really got
Speaker 1: traction his first year. They had the quarterback issues in
Speaker 1: Baltimore that the injury issues. Yeah, yeah, and no Hollywood Brown,
Speaker 1: I think does kind of clear the runway. Like as
Speaker 1: he said, I mean, Mark Andrews is going to be
Speaker 1: their number one target, but like Bateman is in a
Speaker 1: good position to just play a role every week and
Speaker 1: have a steady target count. So I'm I'm in on
Speaker 1: Bateman for sure, and but I'm with you on Claypool.
Speaker 1: And man, you're the Steelers fan bagman. If you're out
Speaker 1: on Claypool, Um, it's like my guy, Michael Salfino said
Speaker 1: about Claypool, all tools and no toolbox. And I think
Speaker 1: that the Pickens pick screamed that Tomlin's kind of fed
Speaker 1: up with this guy, and they're looking to get you know,
Speaker 1: they're looking for the escape hatch. I think on Claypool,
Speaker 1: as soon as he started yelling at Trey Turner and
Speaker 1: that Thursday night game against the Vikings, I was out.
Speaker 1: That was kind of the last draw for me. Yeah, yeah, like,
Speaker 1: come on, man, you're gonna you're gonna yell at the
Speaker 1: veteran it was your screw up. Come on, man, what
Speaker 1: are we doing here but striking a pose with the
Speaker 1: first down when you're running the two minute drill and
Speaker 1: trying to get a brain in your head, have a
Speaker 1: brain in your head. That's all we ask. You know,
Speaker 1: it's frustrating stuff. So but I ran it on that
Speaker 1: when it happened. We don't have to go through that again.
Speaker 1: But Izzy, I want to thank you so much. Please
Speaker 1: tell everyone where they can find all your great works
Speaker 1: across the internet. And what do you have coming up? Yeah,
Speaker 1: you can just find me on Twitter at dt DTC, Underscore,
Speaker 1: Zye and I don't really put on a lot of
Speaker 1: good content on Twitter. I just kind of I'll troll
Speaker 1: and do other things, so I wouldn't say there's a
Speaker 1: lot of good value to be had there, but on
Speaker 1: the show. Most of my content that would be any
Speaker 1: of value to be on shows, So Dynasty, Crete Calculator podcast.
Speaker 1: I don't do any written work anymore. I've kind of retired.
Speaker 1: I have sunset of that after you know, five years
Speaker 1: of doing it prior, so I'm done with that stuff.
Speaker 1: So just on the podcast or on Twitter at fits Underscore,
Speaker 1: f Fitzy another one in the books here. What do
Speaker 1: you have coming up? What can we expect from you? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I just want to chime in first on Izzy, Like,
Speaker 1: listen to Izzy on podcasts and you will become a
Speaker 1: better fantasy player. Like He is someone I've really looked
Speaker 1: up to and like gotten some strategy tips from over
Speaker 1: the year, and I think like listening to Izzy has
Speaker 1: made me a better player, so definitely listen to him
Speaker 1: on shows. Man. We're just continuing the off season at
Speaker 1: Fantasy Pros and just like now, we've been kind of
Speaker 1: focused on Bestball, putting out a lot of bestball content,
Speaker 1: So if you're into bestball, be sure to check us
Speaker 1: out and our Best Ball draft kit. Obviously, you can
Speaker 1: find me here on Twitter at Bogman Sports. I do
Speaker 1: my discord you know, stages every single Monday at eight
Speaker 1: Eastern and the In This League Fantasy Football podcast with
Speaker 1: myself and the Welsh and I had Andrew ericson on
Speaker 1: this week to talk about initial rankings and guys that
Speaker 1: I kind of thought were tough to rank, so you
Speaker 1: can check that out as well. But that is going
Speaker 1: to wrap it up for us. We'll see you guys
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