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Speaker 1: today we're gonna be talking about doing a deep tive
Speaker 1: on running backs with qbs and tight ends last weekend.
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Speaker 1: of those yesterday as we're recording this. It's so much fun.
Speaker 1: It's like a lot of dynasty trades, a lot of drafts,
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Speaker 1: let's dive in here on these running backs, gentlemen, and
Speaker 1: how we're gonna do this is I was looking at
Speaker 1: the Fantasy Pros ECR tiers and so I'm just gonna
Speaker 1: go through. There's a tier from forty five to fifty nine.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna list off all the names, but fifty
Speaker 1: let's start with you. Who in this range do you like?
Speaker 1: In this tier of forty five to fifty nine Ranked
Speaker 1: from Fantasy Pros Expert Consensus ranking. Yeah, so, and just
Speaker 1: to set the stage for this, spog Man, I mean,
Speaker 1: like in Redraft, like you, we always have guys in
Speaker 1: this lower range, out of the top fifty, sometimes even
Speaker 1: out of the top hundred, who come out of nowhere
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden they emerge as their team's
Speaker 1: featured back, and you know, there's a waiver wire frenzy.
Speaker 1: Elijah Mitchell was the guy last year. Yeah. People people
Speaker 1: literally going all in on their their fab money to
Speaker 1: get someone like that. In Dynasty, it's a little trickier
Speaker 1: because with the bigger rosters, you kind of have to
Speaker 1: id these guys beforehand and figure out what the odds
Speaker 1: are and maybe who could be the one to come
Speaker 1: out of the ether and be really valuable. So not
Speaker 1: too many of these guests floating around the waiver wire necessarily.
Speaker 1: So I guess in this first tier from like forty
Speaker 1: five to fifty nine or sixty or so, it's mostly rookies,
Speaker 1: guys like Zamir White, Tyler Algier, Damian Pierce. You know,
Speaker 1: I think we've talked about this, Bogs when we were
Speaker 1: in our run up to the NFL Draft, how much
Speaker 1: you know, we were intrigued by Damian Pierce, and you
Speaker 1: know the way he was just grossly underutilized by Dan
Speaker 1: Mullen at Florida and now he goes right to this
Speaker 1: team that could potentially use him in workhorse duties. So
Speaker 1: that's going to be really interesting. He does have kind
Speaker 1: of an intriguing three down skill set. Zamir White maybe
Speaker 1: not so much for this year, but with the Raiders
Speaker 1: opting not to pick up the fifth year option for
Speaker 1: Josh Jacobs, we could see Jacob's walk next year and
Speaker 1: Zamir White be their primary early down back. And I
Speaker 1: kind of want to talk to you guys and get
Speaker 1: your philosophy on someone like Tyler Algier who maybe is
Speaker 1: not a top tier prospect but goes to a place
Speaker 1: where there is a wide open runway for usage in Atlanta.
Speaker 1: Atlanta has talked about wanting to move Cordarol Patterson back
Speaker 1: to maybe more of a wide receiver role less of
Speaker 1: a pure running back role. You know, they've got what
Speaker 1: Damian Williams there, They've got some other pretty gross Audrey Allison. Yeah, yeah, guys,
Speaker 1: you've already had there. They're moving Avery Williams from corner
Speaker 1: to running back this year. It's it's getting weird in
Speaker 1: that room for sure. Yeah. So Algier, I mean definitely
Speaker 1: has an opening if he can slide in. And I'm
Speaker 1: just curious for what you guys think about that with
Speaker 1: guys who aren't necessarily maybe you've got reservations about the talent,
Speaker 1: but the opportunity is sort of there for them. Are
Speaker 1: you a little cautious about making that leap without being
Speaker 1: certain of the you know, whether this is an NFL
Speaker 1: caliber talent or are you embracing the uncertainty of this
Speaker 1: situation and thinking you could get a discount on a
Speaker 1: potential feature back. It's a familiar spot because it seems
Speaker 1: like Atlanta the last couple years, Shorten has been the
Speaker 1: spot where people are just looking for anyone to take over.
Speaker 1: And we weren't looking for Cordarrell Patterson to do it
Speaker 1: last year, and he did it. So do you think
Speaker 1: Tyler Algier is potentially the guy in Atlanta this year? Yeah?
Speaker 1: It's funny because I actually picked Cordial Patterson in this tier.
Speaker 1: And so that's the I mean, and you look at
Speaker 1: you look at day three running backs that historically it's
Speaker 1: a really slow start. You don't expect if you look
Speaker 1: at like round four, Round five guys, Round five guys.
Speaker 1: Let's send a five percent chance they produced the top
Speaker 1: twenty four seasonal finish in year one. And I started
Speaker 1: looking at kind of the some of the rookies in
Speaker 1: this class and thinking, okay, especially the Day three guys.
Speaker 1: You're You're Damian Pierces, your Tyler Algiers. Well, okay, if
Speaker 1: it's not this year, right, the odds of that happening
Speaker 1: are somewhat low. How do they skate through next year unscathed?
Speaker 1: With the free agent class you mentioned Jacobs, you have
Speaker 1: a litany of other guys. Barkley is going to be
Speaker 1: a free agent, he's looming, you have, you have a
Speaker 1: bunch of other guys, plus a really good draft class,
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, right David Montgomery is a
Speaker 1: free agent. Mount's a free right. You have a whole
Speaker 1: bunch of guys who are free agents, and then on
Speaker 1: top of what projects to be a really good draft
Speaker 1: class next year. So those developmental Day three guys, for me,
Speaker 1: in prior years, I would have been on them, but
Speaker 1: I think the landscape is particularly difficult for them right now.
Speaker 1: And you put in for me Patterson, you know last
Speaker 1: year he was I found the stat really interesting. He
Speaker 1: was expected for twelve point nine points per game. That
Speaker 1: would have been running back twenty two. Javonte Williams was
Speaker 1: expected for twelve point seven points per game, was expected
Speaker 1: for running back twenty four. And when you look at them,
Speaker 1: they're vastly different in terms of expectation now all the
Speaker 1: way up at running back three in recent dress for
Speaker 1: Javonte Williams, and we're seeing right now where Patterson is
Speaker 1: outside the top forty in this exercise. And you just
Speaker 1: look at Patterson last year. He scored nineteen point two
Speaker 1: points per game in the first nine weeks before it
Speaker 1: was injured, and that was a lot of the receiving
Speaker 1: centric stuff. So all and what oddly they went away
Speaker 1: from him as they went away from him as a
Speaker 1: pass catcher at the end of the season and went
Speaker 1: towards him as a which never made a ton of
Speaker 1: sense to me. But that's I don't know if it
Speaker 1: was injury related or what, but if they're going to
Speaker 1: get back to that early season type of role, there's
Speaker 1: a lot there. That was a top that was a
Speaker 1: top eight running back to start the season last year.
Speaker 1: So so he's one for me that I like that
Speaker 1: and other guys in the range. I'm taking Day two
Speaker 1: running backs sort in this range, their odds of being superseded,
Speaker 1: their odds of success, their odds of hitting are higher
Speaker 1: than your Day three running backs by you know, a
Speaker 1: good percentage there. So that would be sort of my
Speaker 1: pivot on in this range. I like the call out
Speaker 1: of Patterson for sure, because I feel like people are
Speaker 1: just he wasn't much before last year, and I feel
Speaker 1: like a lot of people think he's gonna go right
Speaker 1: back into that well, you know, they're gonna use them
Speaker 1: more as a wide receiver. They're gonna take that running
Speaker 1: back stuff away from him. I mean, why would they
Speaker 1: do that? Though there's you know, Damian Williams is fine,
Speaker 1: Tylie all Jeer could be the guy. That's why pat
Speaker 1: and I both have him, you know, in this range here,
Speaker 1: and I like Damian Pierce too. I think that's another
Speaker 1: chance for a guy to get that job. We're always
Speaker 1: looking for that Elijah Mitchell, that James Robinson, that Philip Lindsay,
Speaker 1: that guy that's way way lower or completely undrafted, but
Speaker 1: they go to a situation where they could earn that job.
Speaker 1: But Cordarrell Patterson has the job, and I feel like
Speaker 1: he offers a very high floor because you know, you
Speaker 1: have guys. You know, it's Drake London is the number
Speaker 1: one wide out there, and he's a rookie, you know,
Speaker 1: and there's a rookie learning curve for every rookie that
Speaker 1: has ever come in the NFL. I'm not saying he's
Speaker 1: not going to come out in and be amazing, because
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people, including me, we expect that.
Speaker 1: But Patterson is your number one there. There's no Calvin Ridley.
Speaker 1: Kyle Pitts is a tight end. So he's your number
Speaker 1: one wide receiver and he might be your best option
Speaker 1: at running back as has played last year. But if
Speaker 1: they are going to go to that wide receiver, I
Speaker 1: think that why not take a shot on a guy
Speaker 1: like out here, right, pat That's just the way it is.
Speaker 1: If Patterson's gonna play more wide out, We've seen with Dai,
Speaker 1: I mean Williams has to offer. We've seen what Quadrealison
Speaker 1: has to offer, and it's not much. And that is
Speaker 1: the appeal of an algier that's the peer of a
Speaker 1: Damian Pierce versus Marla mack in Rex Burkhead, Right, That's
Speaker 1: why we like these guys because it's the what's behind
Speaker 1: door number two? We haven't seen it. We've seen what
Speaker 1: these other guys have and it's fairly mediocre. Correct, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I think that is the story for twenty
Speaker 1: twenty two. But Jordan makes a really good point about
Speaker 1: sometimes maybe the focus is a little too narrow and
Speaker 1: maybe we should look, you know, pan out a little
Speaker 1: bit and look at what twenty twenty three could look like,
Speaker 1: because there is going to be a really exciting draft
Speaker 1: class coming in. There is going to be some talent
Speaker 1: available in free agency, So that is a good point.
Speaker 1: And do these Day three guys, these Day three picks Algier, Pierremira, White, Pierce,
Speaker 1: do they have the talent to withstand the you know
Speaker 1: infusion of you know, additional talent at the position. So
Speaker 1: Patterson's an interesting one though, because you know, this dude's
Speaker 1: like I think he's this is gonna be what his
Speaker 1: age thirty or thirty one season, But but like you know,
Speaker 1: and and normally you're just you know that stamps a
Speaker 1: skull and crossbones on him. As far as a running
Speaker 1: back on Patterson though, yeah, that's it. I mean, he
Speaker 1: is like a sixty nine Mustang that's been kept like
Speaker 1: under a blanket in a barn somewhere and very lightly used,
Speaker 1: you know, more or less, prime was found on exactly Yeah,
Speaker 1: cryogenically frozen basically just returning kickoffs earlier in his career.
Speaker 1: So I mean, who knows how much like what kind
Speaker 1: of longevity the dude could have since there there is
Speaker 1: no odometer for him really. Um, So, yeah, it's gonna
Speaker 1: be interesting to see how that plays out. What role
Speaker 1: they have in mind for Patterson, but they are gonna
Speaker 1: have some sort of a role. So Jordan makes a
Speaker 1: good point about him continuing to stay relevant. I just
Speaker 1: looked it up while you were talking. Pat You just
Speaker 1: you compare him three and twenty carries two hundred and
Speaker 1: sixty eight receptions in his career. You compare that to
Speaker 1: Saquon Barkley six fifty nine in terms of rushes, and
Speaker 1: you look at one hundred and ninety in terms of receptions.
Speaker 1: So he has already sort of taken less of that
Speaker 1: beating than Barkley has through what four years of his career,
Speaker 1: and some of that's been injury shortened. So I am
Speaker 1: with you on the fact that he's older. That's why
Speaker 1: you're getting a discount in this range that you're not
Speaker 1: expecting multiple years of production. But any of the guys
Speaker 1: in this range, if you get four games of starter production,
Speaker 1: that's fifteen plus points per game. They're paying it off.
Speaker 1: And we've seen that, right, So that's that's really what
Speaker 1: I think your aim should be. And I like that bimodality, right.
Speaker 1: I want I want them to either be worth nothing
Speaker 1: or be in my lineup smashing success. That'll be a
Speaker 1: theme I think throughout this whole, this entire exercise, that's
Speaker 1: the definition of a dart throw too, is you throw
Speaker 1: a dart to see, like, yes, there are good free
Speaker 1: agents and a solid draft class. And if anyone need
Speaker 1: y'all out there think I'm annoying, now, wait till I
Speaker 1: start gushing about be Jean Robinson next year. It's going
Speaker 1: to be grow so but but uh, you know that
Speaker 1: that's the thing is, you know, if Tyler Algier is
Speaker 1: successful for Atlanta, they don't have to go draft a
Speaker 1: running back, they don't have to go spend money on
Speaker 1: it for the next two or three seasons because they
Speaker 1: have him. If he earns this role. That's why we
Speaker 1: be like the young guys in this range. One guy
Speaker 1: I want to ask you before we go to the
Speaker 1: next group here, Jordan in particular, is I'm high on
Speaker 1: Brian Robinson. I know that Washington has Antonio Gibson, but
Speaker 1: I think the whole point in drafting a guy like
Speaker 1: Brian Robinson is to number one, make it fresh legs
Speaker 1: for Gibson because he got hurt. I think he played
Speaker 1: eleven games last season, so he's been banged up a
Speaker 1: little bit. And you know, you can move Gibson around
Speaker 1: in the offense. You can put both those backs back
Speaker 1: there like they've done before. Gibson played way more wide
Speaker 1: receiver in college than he did running back, too, so
Speaker 1: he could possibly put him in the slot, put him
Speaker 1: in four or five white sets. So what do you
Speaker 1: think about Brian Robinson, you know, maybe having a nice
Speaker 1: role here to start in Washington. Because even Ron Rivera said,
Speaker 1: you know, he compared these two to D'Angel Williams and
Speaker 1: Jonathan's store. Yeah, I mean the coach speak there on
Speaker 1: comparing anyone to Jonathan Stewart is much right in terms
Speaker 1: of actually offered as a physical profile. But I appreciate
Speaker 1: the sentiment on Coach Rivera there. I mean Robinson's the
Speaker 1: guy that he's tied for the most shares that I
Speaker 1: have of all of my players across across Dynasty rookie drives,
Speaker 1: specifically rookies. You know, I'm a big fan of I
Speaker 1: like profiles at costs. Right, That's that's really it. So
Speaker 1: what for me? You take Day two running backs, you
Speaker 1: take Round three running backs. If you get them into
Speaker 1: the late second into the third round of a rookie draft,
Speaker 1: that's a great success one of the things. And again,
Speaker 1: I just keep doing that. Right, So it's spend years past,
Speaker 1: it's been, it's this year, right, This year was very
Speaker 1: exploitable if you were just sort of willing to do that.
Speaker 1: I actually think this class. Everyone was upset about this
Speaker 1: class for a while because a lot of the stuff
Speaker 1: that makes you know, the highlights and fantasy football, especially
Speaker 1: in dynasty, high drafted quarterbacks and high drafted running backs
Speaker 1: weren't in this class. So people were concerned about it.
Speaker 1: But if you were to say, all right, let's look
Speaker 1: at the second round of this draft, it's actually really
Speaker 1: it's a it's a very fertile ground for fantasy roster building.
Speaker 1: And so that particularly with Robinson, he's floated into the
Speaker 1: third rounds of rookie drafts, like that is an auto
Speaker 1: smash thing. Same with someone that will probably talk about
Speaker 1: in the next year, uh ty Davis Price, Right, the
Speaker 1: same thing with him. You get that day two pedigree
Speaker 1: in this and the third round of rookie drafts, that
Speaker 1: becomes an automatic smash situation and you just you're just
Speaker 1: hoping to keep adding to those. And listen, I take
Speaker 1: this like, what did Washington do, right, we all have
Speaker 1: optimism about Antonio Gibson. What did they do this year? Well,
Speaker 1: they thought JD. McKissick was going to get away. They
Speaker 1: went back and basically he was gone. Yeah, for all
Speaker 1: types of purposes. He was a bill he just couldn't sign.
Speaker 1: Yet they lure him back. And then what else did
Speaker 1: they do? And I thought this is really telling, and
Speaker 1: it's probably telling of something that we don't have access to,
Speaker 1: which is they met with everybody, right, they met with giants?
Speaker 1: Did that too? Yeah? Right, they met with everyone. They
Speaker 1: met with, all their hangbacks sort of up and down
Speaker 1: anyone you would expect on in the first two days
Speaker 1: of the draft, hal Walker Robinson, who they ended up taking.
Speaker 1: They met with everybody, and that should set you know.
Speaker 1: That was one of those things was that you looked
Speaker 1: at the pre draft trackers, wait a second, what's going
Speaker 1: on here? And that was something that really concerned me.
Speaker 1: So I don't know if they know more about Gibson
Speaker 1: than we know, or they have concerns about Gibson that
Speaker 1: we're just not privy too. But I think that there's
Speaker 1: that aspect of Brian Robinson, that there's a lot of
Speaker 1: information to suggest that there's concerns about Gibson in some way,
Speaker 1: shape or form. That we're not privy too exactly what
Speaker 1: they are, but there's something isn't totally great there. So
Speaker 1: that's sort of my I think that he can really
Speaker 1: outproduce his valuation because he can do pretty much everything too. Pat,
Speaker 1: I gotta tell you, I Jordan. Jordan's my new best friend.
Speaker 1: I have a hunch, he says, not only is my
Speaker 1: hunch right, but provides all kinds of reasons why uh
Speaker 1: and numbers. So uh. I loving Jordan here so far. Um,
Speaker 1: let's go to the next tier, pat, um, and this
Speaker 1: tier is um. I would say it's guys that have
Speaker 1: done it before. Um, you know, it's guys like Kenyan
Speaker 1: Drake Deante Foreman most hurt, Marlon mack um Uh Gaskin
Speaker 1: is in here, Boston Scott has put some things together,
Speaker 1: or guys that had like high volume in college. Keyshaw
Speaker 1: Bond is in this group. Haskins is a rookie in
Speaker 1: this group, Kirron Williams who unfortunately just broke his foot,
Speaker 1: Zack moss Um you know, uh, and then mixed in
Speaker 1: a couple of role players, and my J. P. Ryan
Speaker 1: is in here. Um, you know, Benjamin is a straight backup.
Speaker 1: James White is a passing down guy. Chris Evans is
Speaker 1: a you know, probably third or fourth guy on that
Speaker 1: in that running back room. Now, so this tire is
Speaker 1: a little less exciting, but I do I still see
Speaker 1: a couple names in here that I like versus ECR. So,
Speaker 1: who is it in this group that you like? Fitz Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I don't know if I have any and
Speaker 1: maybe we can kick around keyshawan von a little later.
Speaker 1: I don't know that I really have much hope for
Speaker 1: him anymore. I feel like he's had his opportunity in
Speaker 1: that door is kind of slam. But you know, like
Speaker 1: in terms of immediate help, Donta Foreman being behind Christian McCaffrey. Now,
Speaker 1: it seemed like they were less than enamored with Cuba
Speaker 1: Hubbard in his rookie year, So maybe Deonta is that
Speaker 1: main backup now. And obviously being the backup to a
Speaker 1: guy who hasn't played more than one seven games in
Speaker 1: either of the last two years, that's kind of making
Speaker 1: Deonta like a valuable looking property for twenty twenty one. Obviously,
Speaker 1: there's no more room at the end for Jared Patterson.
Speaker 1: I don't know what you guys think about him, but
Speaker 1: like I thought, he looked pretty good last year in
Speaker 1: the preseason, and maybe he can land somewhere. And I
Speaker 1: mean we're talking about a deep you know, and a
Speaker 1: thirty a team with twelve or a league with twelve
Speaker 1: teams thirty man dynasty rosters, Like maybe Jared Patterson can
Speaker 1: get that thirtieth spot on someone's roster. But I don't know, Um,
Speaker 1: it just seems like there's no plan to use him
Speaker 1: at all in Washington anymore. I'm still like kind of
Speaker 1: a you know, Benjamin Truther. I'd love to see the
Speaker 1: dude just get his shot. Really, you know, liked him
Speaker 1: when he was with the Sun Devils and kind of
Speaker 1: surprised he hasn't gotten it. Now. People think Keyanta Ingram
Speaker 1: is going to be like maybe the main backup, but
Speaker 1: I just want to like see Benjamin interesting camp it
Speaker 1: did because I think, you know, in terms of college production,
Speaker 1: pretty similar guys that you know. Kiante Ingram was the
Speaker 1: guy at Texas before Bijean came in, and then Beijean
Speaker 1: came in and pushed him out, and he ends up
Speaker 1: at USC and he was very good there. Um, same
Speaker 1: thing for you know Benjamin. You know, Benjamin was the
Speaker 1: guy at ASU was before Jayden Daniels, before they had
Speaker 1: much so um, I think that's going to be a
Speaker 1: pretty good job to back up an injury prone running back.
Speaker 1: And James Connor, So I like what your head's at
Speaker 1: in terms of eno there. Yeah, and uh dearness Johnson.
Speaker 1: I think if he can get himself out of that
Speaker 1: that Cleveland log jam, that he could be really interesting.
Speaker 1: And Chris Evans Um, you know, I don't know if
Speaker 1: they're going to keep him behind somaj p Ryan as
Speaker 1: the backup to Mixon, but like, I'm intrigued by his
Speaker 1: athleticism and at least in theory run catch versatility you know,
Speaker 1: a guy who was kind of maybe not as prolific
Speaker 1: in college, sort of had that the hardball hand cap.
Speaker 1: Harballs seemed to keep find a way to make some
Speaker 1: incredible athletes less productive in college than you thought they
Speaker 1: should be, and I think Evans fell into that category.
Speaker 1: So I still wonder if he might pop at some point,
Speaker 1: kind of a guy I don't mind stashing on my
Speaker 1: roster if I can. You know, the hardball handicap is
Speaker 1: why I am a little enamored in Haskins, because Haskins
Speaker 1: was kind of the first running back of the Jim
Speaker 1: Harbaugh era to kind of buck that and get the majority.
Speaker 1: I mean, Blake Korn will still use, of course, and
Speaker 1: he's going to be there this year as well. And
Speaker 1: this is just something I know from playing a lot
Speaker 1: of college fantasy football as well, is that I never
Speaker 1: take a hardball back because he uses a hundred of them.
Speaker 1: It's like fourteen guys will get to carry in a game,
Speaker 1: you know, including three different quarterbacks. So it's always annoying
Speaker 1: that he does. But Haskins is a guy that bucked
Speaker 1: that situation is terrible for him, So that kind of
Speaker 1: leads me to a bigger point here Jordan in this
Speaker 1: rain when you know, and we're talking about RB sixty
Speaker 1: through seventy nine in this group, so we're getting late.
Speaker 1: You know, even for dynasty leagues that this is getting
Speaker 1: fairly late, you know, not the biggest. I played in
Speaker 1: a lot of sixteen man that are way later than this.
Speaker 1: But um, you know, are you drafting more situation or traits?
Speaker 1: Obviously you want those together, Like I think TDP is
Speaker 1: an easy pick in this range because he could in
Speaker 1: tiering Davis Sprice could end up leading the Niners. Elijah
Speaker 1: Mitchell shouldn't be a lead back, he should be a
Speaker 1: second back. So are you drafting more traits or more
Speaker 1: situation in this range? That's a great, great question. Um,
Speaker 1: I think there's there's basically two approaches that you would go.
Speaker 1: If I can get in this range someone that has
Speaker 1: a rookie that has Day two pedigree, like T Davis
Speaker 1: Sprice does, that is a that is a smash type
Speaker 1: situation because everyone else in this range really doesn't have that,
Speaker 1: or is there's other things going on. You have a
Speaker 1: Kenyan Drake and he's sort of further on in his
Speaker 1: career and the like, and a lot of the other
Speaker 1: guys in this range a backups in some way, shape
Speaker 1: or form, whether that's a full committee or a partial
Speaker 1: committee or what have you. Right, So thy Davis Price
Speaker 1: is the guy in this range that sticks out from
Speaker 1: that perspective. The other thing in this range that I
Speaker 1: would do, and I think as you go further down
Speaker 1: dynasty in particular, I think the mistake that a lot
Speaker 1: of dynasty people make is they play for the long
Speaker 1: term further down the board, right, they play a really
Speaker 1: long term game. Fifteen through twenty five spots on the roster.
Speaker 1: Those roster spots should be churning, right, they should be
Speaker 1: quickly moving through. And so you shouldn't be taking a
Speaker 1: backup spot on a guy like Jared Patterson hoping that hey,
Speaker 1: maybe you know, maybe Antonio Gibson walks and you know,
Speaker 1: in a couple of years he's sort of inherences like that.
Speaker 1: That's the wrong way to use that roster spot. The
Speaker 1: better way to use it is to take a shot
Speaker 1: on a guy like you know. Like you guys said,
Speaker 1: it doesn't it's more of a volume game, I think
Speaker 1: really than it necessarily is a has to be a
Speaker 1: specific one, right, So kind of taken a lot of
Speaker 1: those shots would be the thing that I would say,
Speaker 1: you know, so some of my favorite ones in this
Speaker 1: range really I like pe Ryan a lot. I think
Speaker 1: Chris Evans, like when you look at his stats last year,
Speaker 1: Chris Evans was didn't run a ton of routes. So
Speaker 1: you've got a small sample size caveats abound only sixty
Speaker 1: five rountes, but two point three two yards per route
Speaker 1: run is an enormous number for a rookie running back.
Speaker 1: So again it's a small sample, but very productive on
Speaker 1: a very small sample. So that's something I would look
Speaker 1: at and be, you know, have a little bit of
Speaker 1: optimism about Dernis Johnson with the new contract I find
Speaker 1: interesting as well. But and Haskins I have a bunch
Speaker 1: of again that's later in the third round after Ty
Speaker 1: Davis present rookie dress. But really the guy for me
Speaker 1: on top of all those guys, Darryl Williams signing with
Speaker 1: Washington with Arizona is interesting and I think you guys
Speaker 1: talked about, you know, and in the competition there For me,
Speaker 1: Darryl Williams, we just saw what he can do in
Speaker 1: Kansas City. He's a lot of a poor man's James Conner. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I mean they wouldn't say it directly, but they said,
Speaker 1: you know, Kingsbury asked, uh, you know players in Kansas City.
Speaker 1: It's like, well, come on, he asked Patrick Mahomes, like,
Speaker 1: you know, uh, Texas Tech, Texas Tech connection there. So
Speaker 1: he asked Patrick Mahomes about him, and Mahomes vouched for
Speaker 1: Darryl Williams, and that's it's always great to hear, you know,
Speaker 1: one of the best players in the league vouch for you,
Speaker 1: right well, And I guess we do have to be
Speaker 1: careful though, because he vouched for Clyde Edwards Layer or
Speaker 1: Jonathan Taylor, So let's be careful that Patrick Holomes running
Speaker 1: back endorsements. But I mean Darryl Williams in games where
Speaker 1: he started last year and it wasn't Clyde Edwards Hilaire
Speaker 1: really and he started the last game and season may
Speaker 1: to really play in those other five games that he
Speaker 1: played more than seventeen points per games. So you're looking
Speaker 1: at big time difference makers, right, that's what you're shooting
Speaker 1: for in this range handful of spot starts as a
Speaker 1: really good shot in the arm in your lineup. Guys
Speaker 1: like that, And again the most important lesson in this range.
Speaker 1: Make your bet, and then if if your guys cut,
Speaker 1: you know, like, if you make a bet an Eno
Speaker 1: Benjamin and he's cut, cut him, Like, move on, make
Speaker 1: the next bat, and just keep churning that roster spot.
Speaker 1: That roster spot should signify to you, especially as we
Speaker 1: go down this exercise. It's just signified you. Hey, here's
Speaker 1: the bet that I'm making on a backup spot, and
Speaker 1: I'll just keep recycling the beat as we go along.
Speaker 1: It's more about taking a volume shot at that than
Speaker 1: it really is a specific person at this particular cost. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: else in this range? I like, you know it's for me.
Speaker 1: Of course I'm gonna homer out and say Beanta form.
Speaker 1: And I'm a Texas fan. I've seen this guy carry
Speaker 1: the load, but seeing I wasn't sure after you towards Achill.
Speaker 1: It just wasn't sure about him. Seeing him come back
Speaker 1: last year and perform so well for Tennessee, I think
Speaker 1: he's a great backup option in Carolina. I think is
Speaker 1: a guy that can carry the load. He's a hammer.
Speaker 1: You know, He's not really gonna be elusive. He's not
Speaker 1: gonna make a bunch of tacklers miss. He's going to
Speaker 1: run him over. So he's basic, but he's a guy
Speaker 1: that can do it. He has a giant frame, so
Speaker 1: I enjoy watching him and the rookies that I like
Speaker 1: here it's it's Terry Davis Price just because San Francisco
Speaker 1: is a team that uses multiple backs constantly. This is
Speaker 1: the Shanahan Lafleur type of deal. So we're going to
Speaker 1: see a lot of mixing and matching. So you know,
Speaker 1: Mitchell should be at the front. He proved himself last year,
Speaker 1: also proved he can't stay healthy for a full season.
Speaker 1: So TDP is going to come into this mix with
Speaker 1: Trey Sermon as well. You know, seems like they're kind
Speaker 1: of done with Trey Sermon, but the guys still on
Speaker 1: the roster for a little bit. And then Pierre Strong
Speaker 1: just as a someone's got to make explosive plays in
Speaker 1: New England. So this is these are the guys that
Speaker 1: I like in this range. I think, you know, Strong
Speaker 1: being more of a dart throw than the other two.
Speaker 1: But is there anyone else in this range you want
Speaker 1: to go down to the next tier? What do you
Speaker 1: guys think of Raheem Mostart and Kenyan Drake, Marlon Mack,
Speaker 1: guys who could have roles obviously don't have much of
Speaker 1: a long term future. Most it's kind of an interesting one.
Speaker 1: I mean, the guy has always been productive these last
Speaker 1: few years whenever he's been healthy, but that's been a
Speaker 1: pretty small window here. And you know Marlon Mack. I mean,
Speaker 1: if if there's veteran deference with the Texans, he could
Speaker 1: very well be there starting running back come week one.
Speaker 1: You know, if they are reluctant to turn things over
Speaker 1: to Damian Pierce, if they do decide that they're going
Speaker 1: to have him play on special teams early in his career,
Speaker 1: which I've I've heard rumors about. So um, I don't know,
Speaker 1: what do you what do you guys think of these
Speaker 1: guys in this less attractive age range. Those are the
Speaker 1: guys that Jordan was just talking about. These are the
Speaker 1: guys that you should be, you know, potentially taking a
Speaker 1: shot on because if they win the job, great, now
Speaker 1: you have volume play. But if they don't, then cut
Speaker 1: him and pick up a grabbing stash guy, right Jordan, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I think I think most are It's really
Speaker 1: interesting with Miami, he hasn't been able to stay healthy,
Speaker 1: but they Miami offensive staff go because from the forty
Speaker 1: nine ers and brings most with him. I think that
Speaker 1: story is always interesting. You know. Drake is similarly right,
Speaker 1: and we've seen I like where we've seen guys do
Speaker 1: it and are an injury way right though, because at
Speaker 1: least we know that they're capable of it. You know,
Speaker 1: Marlon Mack, I'm not sure that situation could be clouded.
Speaker 1: It could be a three headed monster and be tough
Speaker 1: to sort of extract, or he could really step forward.
Speaker 1: We'll see there. That's one I think one of the
Speaker 1: handful ones are really going to watch here over the offseason.
Speaker 1: But I do like this range and it's interesting people
Speaker 1: people will generally say, oh, you got to go early
Speaker 1: at running back, or you're drafting in the dead zone
Speaker 1: or whatnot. Like I'll go into this range, and I
Speaker 1: think the beauty of even in this range with taking
Speaker 1: multiple of these guys. It's June, but you don't have
Speaker 1: to have the right answer to your lineup question in
Speaker 1: November in June, right. What you want is lots of
Speaker 1: options along the way and this range and further rate,
Speaker 1: cultivating this range of your roster. We'll give you that
Speaker 1: opportunity as you go along. So that's one thing I
Speaker 1: just constantly be churning that party of roster and don't
Speaker 1: think of, hey, this person's got to fill week one
Speaker 1: for me. You want you're gonna you're shooting to get
Speaker 1: a lot of options throughout this season, and this range
Speaker 1: is one that can give it to you moving down
Speaker 1: to the next tier. Here it's eighty two one hundred,
Speaker 1: so it's twenty backs and we're talking, you know, deeper
Speaker 1: throws than before. I mean, Pat's guy, Kenny and Guano
Speaker 1: is in here. My guy Tyde Chandler is in here.
Speaker 1: So we like the third and fourth running backs from Minnesota.
Speaker 1: You know, Jamar Jefferson I like, but he's buried in Detroit.
Speaker 1: Philip Lindsay's a guy that we've seen do it before.
Speaker 1: Rex Burkhead is a guy that we've seen do it before.
Speaker 1: Mark Ingram is a thousand and he's in this range.
Speaker 1: He's like, my age, that's not good for a running back.
Speaker 1: Jerk McKinnon had a couple of good games last year.
Speaker 1: The aforementioned keyante Ingram, Jeff Wilson, Junior, Jamichael Hasty, very Rountree.
Speaker 1: So guys that have um, you know, high ceilings, but
Speaker 1: the floor keeps dropping lower and lower the further down
Speaker 1: we get here. So fits who is it from this
Speaker 1: range that you would like to take a shot on. Boy,
Speaker 1: it seems like it's all NFC North guys, the grinding guys,
Speaker 1: and that's what it is right here. Yeah, you mentioned
Speaker 1: my Kenai nuang Wu crush and maybe that gets sort
Speaker 1: of you know, a wet blanket with Tie Chandler coming in. Um,
Speaker 1: you know we're gonna have to beat like a steak
Speaker 1: dinner on who comes out of that as the shore
Speaker 1: number three running back in Minnesota. But wong Wu just
Speaker 1: looked like he was shot out of a cannon whenever
Speaker 1: he got the ball last year and limited touches kick
Speaker 1: return duty, Um, he just has like that it factor.
Speaker 1: It seems like when he has the ball. So I'm
Speaker 1: kind of uh, like that's a guy I'm willing a
Speaker 1: stash and I know you know, and man Jordan is
Speaker 1: like the perfect guest for this show because he's giving
Speaker 1: us like the ABC's of playing the you know, sleeper
Speaker 1: running backs in the ABC's in this case means always
Speaker 1: be churning like that's and I like, I had you fired, yeah,
Speaker 1: but uh yeah man, uh Noan was just a guy,
Speaker 1: Like I don't mind maybe stashing a guy like that,
Speaker 1: just a guy. We know, he's he's bottled up and
Speaker 1: blocked probably for for this year, um and you know
Speaker 1: then maybe something could become of him after that, So
Speaker 1: um we'll see him. Too low on him, too, pat like,
Speaker 1: because my my thought was like, well, he wasn't the
Speaker 1: starter for his own team, but the starter for his
Speaker 1: team was Breecee Hall, you know, so it's kind of
Speaker 1: hard to knock him for having one of the best
Speaker 1: running backs in the country ahead of him. So I'm
Speaker 1: probably a little too low on him. But I also
Speaker 1: like I was high on thy Chandler coming in, so
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, that's just where I am now. So
Speaker 1: I don't mean to be the wet blanket every time
Speaker 1: I see him, I know I am. So I'll throw
Speaker 1: out two other NFC North guys. One is Kylan Hill,
Speaker 1: who really impressed the Packers in the preseason last year
Speaker 1: and was, you know, had the number three running back
Speaker 1: gig for Green Bay, which could potentially be really really
Speaker 1: valuable if anything happened to Aaron Jones or aj Dillon,
Speaker 1: but Kylan Hill tours acl taking a kickoff from like
Speaker 1: seven or eight yards deep in the end zone, which
Speaker 1: is never a good idea to begin with, and you know,
Speaker 1: kind of a severe thing that obviously ended his season.
Speaker 1: And I don't know if he's gonna be ready for
Speaker 1: the start of the year, but if he is, he
Speaker 1: has got the inside track on that potential, potentially valuable
Speaker 1: number three running back role for the Packers. And like,
Speaker 1: as we've talked about Box, it would not surprise me
Speaker 1: if the Packers led the NFL in like fantasy points
Speaker 1: from the running back position this year. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: with the state of their wide receiver corps, with what
Speaker 1: they've added to their defense, and like you know, having
Speaker 1: I think the third highest projected wind total in the
Speaker 1: NFL this year, they're gonna have a lot of run
Speaker 1: friendly game script. So like getting a piece sneak a
Speaker 1: sneaky piece, and Kylin Hill a guy who could potentially
Speaker 1: have a role if we saw injuries. It's kind of
Speaker 1: appealing to me. And then like Darrenton Evans, we kept
Speaker 1: waiting for him to like be the primary backup to
Speaker 1: Derrick Henry kept getting hurt it just didn't happen. Now
Speaker 1: he's in Chicago, and Chicago is in full on tank mode,
Speaker 1: Like they have no incentive not to use like every
Speaker 1: piece of their roster, like you know, use the entire buffalo. Yeah,
Speaker 1: cut it all up, get it on the fire. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, see what you've got in this guy, because
Speaker 1: they're gonna just stink out loud this year, and you know,
Speaker 1: there's no incentive it even though we know that David
Speaker 1: Montgomery is capable of being a workhorse, Like, there's really
Speaker 1: no reason for them not to get of Khalil Herbert
Speaker 1: and Darrenton Evans work this year. I like the Cheshire
Speaker 1: grin that Pat gets whenever he talks about the Bears tanking.
Speaker 1: So you get a little extra smiley when you talk
Speaker 1: about the Bears potentially taking and being bad, which I
Speaker 1: I'm here for it, but you know what, they know
Speaker 1: it Like here in Chicago, they know it. They know
Speaker 1: it's gonna be bad. I'm not I'm not breaking any
Speaker 1: bad news. The Bears fans here, they're they're they're just
Speaker 1: reveling in it a little bit, and that's fine. You know, Look,
Speaker 1: the Browns and Bengals were bad for a long time,
Speaker 1: and I love every second of it. Uh you know,
Speaker 1: now the Steelers are you know, kind of getting there.
Speaker 1: Come up, It's here, it seems. But uh, Jordans in
Speaker 1: this range, I mean I like, you know, I like
Speaker 1: the thought process there that that Pad has Kylan Hill.
Speaker 1: Kylan Hill was kind of like in his class, was
Speaker 1: kind of the Thai chandler to me where I liked him.
Speaker 1: Knew it was gonna go late. Depends on the situation.
Speaker 1: But like you said, this is a good It's a
Speaker 1: good call because they're gonna use multi backs in Green Bay.
Speaker 1: It's a Shanahan will floor, a Shanahan disciple, you know.
Speaker 1: That's why we have it in New York. That's why
Speaker 1: we have it in Miami with McDonald. That's why we
Speaker 1: have in Green Bay in San Francisco obviously, So there's
Speaker 1: gonna be multiple backs used there. But who in this
Speaker 1: range catches your eye? Jordan in this tier? Uh yeah,
Speaker 1: So I agree with that Burghead. I think is interesting.
Speaker 1: I think he has a shot to be the starter
Speaker 1: in Houston and maybe he can get you a handful
Speaker 1: of starts. We'll see sort of how that situation unfold.
Speaker 1: He's the chiefest guy in an uncertain situation and basically free.
Speaker 1: I think I got him twenty sixth round of a
Speaker 1: startup draft that I'm in right now. I mean, I
Speaker 1: mean they're gonna play him or I'm gonna he's gonna
Speaker 1: be an injury way guy where he's gonna get caught
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna cut him right like it's gonna be.
Speaker 1: I think his decision tree is pretty pretty simple and
Speaker 1: straightforward there. Damian Williams, for reasons we talked about with
Speaker 1: the uncertainty in the Atlanta offense, I would echo him
Speaker 1: here as well. Mike Davis, I think is interesting because
Speaker 1: the impact that he has on JK. Dobbins and the
Speaker 1: uncertainty of Gus Edwards, both of the rehabilitations and we've seen.
Speaker 1: Bringing in Mike Davis, I think is enough to say,
Speaker 1: huh right, you just sort of look at that situation, say,
Speaker 1: if everyone was good, you probably wouldn't need to bring
Speaker 1: in Mike Davis, and now you bring in Mike Davis sick.
Speaker 1: This is a great point, Jordan, because Pat and I
Speaker 1: have talked about this because I had Dobbins as kind
Speaker 1: of a sleeper going into the draft because my thought
Speaker 1: process was well Dobbins and Gus Edwards both were out
Speaker 1: their knees last year. They got all these veterans, all
Speaker 1: that stuff, but they haven't made a move before the draft, right,
Speaker 1: they didn't make a move. They didn't go getting and
Speaker 1: there were plenty of guys most was out there. You know,
Speaker 1: there are plenty of guys that you could have snapped up.
Speaker 1: Darrenton Evans was a good acquisition that that could back
Speaker 1: up these guys and kind of do the same type
Speaker 1: of stuff. But instead of doing that, they drafted Tyler
Speaker 1: Batty and then they signed Mike Davis. And one of
Speaker 1: the things that Pat always mentioned when I would talk
Speaker 1: about Dobbins is that it doesn't catch the ball very much.
Speaker 1: They don't throw the ball very much there running back.
Speaker 1: So my thought process about this, and this is why
Speaker 1: I knocked Dobbins a little bit after the draft, even
Speaker 1: though they didn't bring in anyone crazy impactful to his role.
Speaker 1: But they might be carving out a new role in
Speaker 1: Baltimore to throw the ball to the backs Moore and
Speaker 1: that's why they drafted Baity and that's why they signed
Speaker 1: Mike Davis. Both these guys can catch the ball very
Speaker 1: very well. So you know, not even just the end
Speaker 1: the fact that these guys were both hurt last year,
Speaker 1: but also they're looking It seems like they could be
Speaker 1: looking for a certain type of back, which would of
Speaker 1: course take away from Dobbinson Edwards. Plus Lamar is still
Speaker 1: going to run. So I'm I'm on board with you
Speaker 1: in that thought process for sure. Yeah. I'll also I'll
Speaker 1: let go what hat said about Kenny naganwell, and I
Speaker 1: believe that I mispronounced his name every time I say it. So,
Speaker 1: So if you look, Alexander Madison's a free agent Dalvin Cook,
Speaker 1: he has a fourteen point one million dollar cat figure
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty three. He's got no guaranteed money after
Speaker 1: this year. That could save almost eight million dollars against
Speaker 1: the cap by cutting him next year. He is no
Speaker 1: longer on scholarship with the former front office that gave
Speaker 1: him that, and it's a more of a pro analytics
Speaker 1: or a newer age front office there. I think that
Speaker 1: there's a very real situation in which they find themselves
Speaker 1: potentially in a situation to move on craft that cap
Speaker 1: will see sort of what they do with cousins and
Speaker 1: everything like that. I think there's a lot of uncertainty
Speaker 1: in that offense. All of that is to say that
Speaker 1: you could see a scenario that breaks right for a
Speaker 1: guy like Kenny naganwell, and he could be And even
Speaker 1: if it's just for a moment in time, there's a
Speaker 1: value uptick there where he could be a starter or
Speaker 1: even an injury away type. And with that physical profile,
Speaker 1: it's really that's really compelling. So he for that reason,
Speaker 1: I think. And maybe if you're in shallow leagues right
Speaker 1: if you're playing twenty man something like that, it might
Speaker 1: be tough to get him crammed down a roster right now.
Speaker 1: But if you're playing twenty five, thirty man something like
Speaker 1: that even deeper, he should be there. And if you're
Speaker 1: playing in a show reformat, he should be a in
Speaker 1: season waiverywear At or Ty Channing, whoever sort of wins
Speaker 1: out that competition. I think either of those guys make
Speaker 1: a lot of sense, sort of in that specific making
Speaker 1: that specific beat. I made that exact point about ty
Speaker 1: Chandler a couple of weeks ago, So Jordan, I'm loving it.
Speaker 1: We're absolutely sampatico here on the ball going down to
Speaker 1: the next year. Unless there's anyone else, is there anybody
Speaker 1: else from this year we want to talk about. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: are we gonna just gloss over the guy who launched
Speaker 1: the airing of dirty laundry in an MLB fantasy football league?
Speaker 1: You know, we've got to talk about Jeff Wilson, right,
Speaker 1: you know, getting the guy who caused Tommy fam to
Speaker 1: slap Jack Peterson, who got Mike Trout out it as
Speaker 1: possibly the worst wor Africa. Yeah, which is every fantasy commissioner.
Speaker 1: By the way, it's just like it's just like the
Speaker 1: commissioners of real sports. Your fantasy commissioners always ah, this
Speaker 1: guy's changing the rules, He's always the worst. It's a
Speaker 1: making making baseball the most relevant, you know that their
Speaker 1: most relevant story? That this fantasy football is absolutely amazing. Right,
Speaker 1: I saw and I don't know if it's true, So
Speaker 1: you know, I did not back this up at all.
Speaker 1: But of the one hundred most watch TV programs in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one ninety two, we're NFL games is what
Speaker 1: I read yesterday. So I mean, that is that is insanity.
Speaker 1: That is just crazy, what a hold the NFL has
Speaker 1: on the US population here. But all right, I mean,
Speaker 1: let's hear, let's hear about Jeff Wilson junior because I
Speaker 1: like Elijah Mitchell, I like Ti Davis Price. They still
Speaker 1: have Sermon, they still have Hasty on this roster too.
Speaker 1: So I am not a big Jeff Wilson guy, but
Speaker 1: he's done it in the past, pat so there's opportunity
Speaker 1: there for him. Yeah, they seem to like him there.
Speaker 1: He's versatile, and it always seemed like he was close
Speaker 1: to cashing in for people who had him on there,
Speaker 1: you know who who had claimed him and you know
Speaker 1: weren't stashing him illegally on a taxi squad like he
Speaker 1: had that. I remember that one game where he was
Speaker 1: like wide open for an easy TD catch and I
Speaker 1: think it was Garoppolo who like overthrew him, just sailed
Speaker 1: at like ten feet over Darnel Mooney highlight clip that
Speaker 1: that thing. Yea. Yeah. So anyway, I just wonder if
Speaker 1: they've maybe stacked up too many bodies in the forty
Speaker 1: nine ers running back room for Wilson to have his chance,
Speaker 1: even though they do seem to like him as this
Speaker 1: utility player for them. But I mean, you put him
Speaker 1: in Houston and he's the back. You put him in
Speaker 1: Atlanta and he's the guy right, So here's a role
Speaker 1: for sure, a committee guy at worst. But now like
Speaker 1: with Mitchell and uh you know Davis Price, who a
Speaker 1: lot of people like and does sermon, potentially get another shot.
Speaker 1: So um, it's just hard to see Wilson breaking through.
Speaker 1: But had had to mention him as a newsy player.
Speaker 1: I like, I like, uh, you know, bringing him up
Speaker 1: just to throw him in here. Um, you know instead
Speaker 1: of tears, we got like fifteen minutes left. Uh you
Speaker 1: know we have on Fantasy pros, we've gone through this
Speaker 1: is uh you know, basically forty five to one hundred here,
Speaker 1: but we have ranks all the way down to one
Speaker 1: hundred and seventy five running backs in our Dynasty Expert
Speaker 1: Consensus ranking here. I just added mine in there too,
Speaker 1: So some of these numbers are going to be uh
Speaker 1: moving uh you know here. But is there anyone else
Speaker 1: lower uh fits that that you regardless of tier here,
Speaker 1: because there's like I think three or four tiers left.
Speaker 1: Who else do you like that's down here and you're
Speaker 1: throwing a dart on in deep deep leagues? Yeah? I mean,
Speaker 1: um bugs you and I like, in draft season did
Speaker 1: not talk much at all about Snoop Connor, but um
Speaker 1: going to Jacksonville and where we've got m Robin from
Speaker 1: the Achilles. Yeah, so Connor could certainly work his way
Speaker 1: into a role right off the bat. And it's not
Speaker 1: just that they took him and said they drafted him,
Speaker 1: and they drafted him way higher. I didn't think he's
Speaker 1: gonna get drafts at number one. I had like I
Speaker 1: thought Jerry and Eely was better than him. There's a
Speaker 1: couple other UDFA backs that I like better than Snoop Connor.
Speaker 1: But you know, they're telling you, they're showing you what's
Speaker 1: happening here. You know, Robinson is the guy that's coming
Speaker 1: off the injury. Travisy Tan is a question mark. Ryquell
Speaker 1: hasn't worked out. So in the way they talked about Snoop,
Speaker 1: I think they just like him. So I'm I'm with you.
Speaker 1: I wasn't in on Snoop going in, but the way
Speaker 1: Jacksonville has talked about him makes me take a second
Speaker 1: look at least, so I understand where you're coming from
Speaker 1: with him. And uh, you know, Jordan has talked about
Speaker 1: what a bad percentage play Day three running backs are, well,
Speaker 1: u DFA running backs are even worse. Percentage plays. But
Speaker 1: I'm still a little intrigued by Kennedy Brooks because I'm
Speaker 1: really surprised he didn't get drafted, and then he goes
Speaker 1: to an Eagles team that's one of the best run
Speaker 1: blocking teams in the league, So, you know, should he
Speaker 1: get a chance? And we did see like four different
Speaker 1: running backs get significant touches for the Eagles last year,
Speaker 1: so maybe there's a little bit of daylight for Brooks
Speaker 1: to be, you know, at least mildly impactful as a rookie.
Speaker 1: And Isaiah Pacheco, I mean, we had Matt Waldman on
Speaker 1: and he sang the praises of Pacheco, who had kind
Speaker 1: of any interesting and troubled background at Rutgers but just
Speaker 1: like his family situation and everything. But you know, maybe
Speaker 1: he can overcome that make for a really good story
Speaker 1: in a terrific offense on the Chiefs. And we know
Speaker 1: that Ronald Jones has certain shortcomings in the passing game.
Speaker 1: We've seen Clyde Edwards Hilaire pretty grossly underachieved his first
Speaker 1: couple of years there, so maybe there's a chance for Pacheco.
Speaker 1: Did Eale wind up in Kansas City also, Yeah, Danny,
Speaker 1: so m maybe it's one of those two guys we
Speaker 1: see coming through and having a much bigger role than anticipated. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and you know, sometimes it's better for these guys to
Speaker 1: not get drafted, you know, and be able to earn
Speaker 1: a role in better offense and pick their spot too.
Speaker 1: And you know, um, every team has the same amount
Speaker 1: of money to spend on these UDFA, so sometimes a
Speaker 1: team will spend a little more on someone who from
Speaker 1: you know, one oh one down to one seventy five
Speaker 1: and anyone that's not even on the list here, Jordan,
Speaker 1: who do you like as far as your deep deep
Speaker 1: RB plays for Dynasty? Yeah, I mean in this range,
Speaker 1: I just want you know, I'm hoping for a couple
Speaker 1: of starts. That's I'm just hoping for a couple of
Speaker 1: injury way starts. I think the closest person to that,
Speaker 1: I think there's been really maybe two or three guys
Speaker 1: to that. Benny Snell, I think could be the injury
Speaker 1: way guy in Pittsburgh. I don't know him, the guy
Speaker 1: him or Anthon McFarlane, who don't have a ton of
Speaker 1: sample to prove that, but both those guys are interesting.
Speaker 1: I've been snagging up any Snell and again if I'm wrong.
Speaker 1: I'm just cutting him and moving on right. That doesn't
Speaker 1: cost you anything, and that's kind of the beauty in
Speaker 1: this range if you treat him like that. Tony Snell,
Speaker 1: excuse me. Tony Jones is another one with the Saints.
Speaker 1: Had a really good preseason last year and then he
Speaker 1: got hurt, and then they brought back mark Ingram, who
Speaker 1: you know, could himself see it a little bit of
Speaker 1: work we'll see there if they you know, what his
Speaker 1: long term future looks like. Jones could be a guy
Speaker 1: that could potentially push Ingram for that running back two spot.
Speaker 1: We saw him have success and basically win that job
Speaker 1: last year before getting injured, and so those would be
Speaker 1: really the guys in this range that I'd be that
Speaker 1: I'd be interested in. Again, I have to give a
Speaker 1: special shout out to Latavius Murray, who is actually the
Speaker 1: analytics of Dynasty Logo. So I have to you know,
Speaker 1: it would the hope that maybe he can land land
Speaker 1: some place and be the injury way guy, because there's
Speaker 1: still a couple of spots that I think are good
Speaker 1: opportunities for injury way spots. The Giants in particular, I
Speaker 1: like Matt Breda as much as anyone likes Matt Breda
Speaker 1: outside of his family, that's a there can't be a
Speaker 1: ton of faith there that he's a running back too
Speaker 1: behind Saquon Barkley. So there are these situations that could
Speaker 1: potentially open up a guy like Lesavius Murray could potentially
Speaker 1: be candidates for that as well. So I'd be I'd
Speaker 1: be paying attention to that, you know, to that type
Speaker 1: of circuit for the remaining free agents out there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and there's, um, I mean, there's other guys here. Booker
Speaker 1: looked pretty good at the end of last season. You know,
Speaker 1: there are a couple times where I'm like, oh man,
Speaker 1: sa Quon looks explosive. Oh man, that's Booker look good.
Speaker 1: You know, so that there are a couple of those
Speaker 1: flashes that that came to me, uh last season with him. Um,
Speaker 1: you know Benny Snell as you mentioned Benny Snell as
Speaker 1: the guy they brought in a couple of udfas and
Speaker 1: they try to make Anthony McFarland work. But I feel
Speaker 1: like there's this, like there's this secondary role that Tomlin
Speaker 1: has tried to get in Pittsburgh since he became the
Speaker 1: head coach there that just hasn't worked. Chris Rainey was
Speaker 1: one of those guys, and I just remember him talking
Speaker 1: about Chris Rainey going will he be using in third
Speaker 1: downs on like pass blocking? And someone said, well, you're
Speaker 1: not gonna Tomlin said, you're not going to tow a
Speaker 1: boat with your ferrari is how he described Chris Rainey,
Speaker 1: And I was like, how is this guy ever gonna
Speaker 1: get on the field then? And that's kind of what
Speaker 1: the same deal that they've done with Anthony McFarland is.
Speaker 1: It's the same thing is that there's just not a
Speaker 1: lot of spots for him, and Naji is falling into
Speaker 1: this Christian McCaffrey type of you know thing where no
Speaker 1: one is even close to him on the roster, so
Speaker 1: it's so difficult to take him off the field. You
Speaker 1: want to do it, you want to give him a breather,
Speaker 1: but when the game is close, which most NFL games
Speaker 1: are for most of the game, if the game is close,
Speaker 1: you want your best player out there. So it's just
Speaker 1: hard for them to take Naji out, which could lead
Speaker 1: to injury issues like it did with James Connor and
Speaker 1: Benny Snell. Is the exact you know, direct backup to
Speaker 1: um to Nashi, So that that's a guy that I
Speaker 1: put on here too. Uh, you know you also took snoop.
Speaker 1: I think that one is a great one. Um. Do
Speaker 1: you do you guys have any love for these guys
Speaker 1: that you know could turn into a James White or
Speaker 1: or you know Geo Bernard is in this role. He
Speaker 1: did that for a while in Cincinnati as well, Like
Speaker 1: Demetric Felton is there, I mean before he popped his Achilles,
Speaker 1: Terry Cohen was in there. Um a goomble wallet, I
Speaker 1: would say, is built like that. We saw Dontrelle Hilliard
Speaker 1: from Tennessee come in and kind of have that type
Speaker 1: of role. Is there Are there any of those guys
Speaker 1: that you'd like to take a risk on here, Pat
Speaker 1: or is it just like take your Benny Snells and
Speaker 1: your uh Craig Reynolds and uh you know Kennedy Brooks
Speaker 1: and guys like that that can take a multiple amount
Speaker 1: of carries fits are you? Are you interested in potential
Speaker 1: roles that could last longer or do you just want
Speaker 1: straight backups? If they start a game, I know I
Speaker 1: can put them in and they're good. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: like I'm interested in those guys if they have stable
Speaker 1: roles as the third down backs, guys like you know,
Speaker 1: the naheem Hinzes and JD. Mckissics come immediately to mind
Speaker 1: less interested in uh you know. And I hate to
Speaker 1: bad mouth Daria Gumo Walle who went to the same
Speaker 1: high school and same college as me. But um man, yeah,
Speaker 1: so I know Darry and I are like best friends.
Speaker 1: But um you know, but Dari was even in college
Speaker 1: at Wisconsin, Dari was never like a ball carrier. He
Speaker 1: just was like, that's not so at most he's going
Speaker 1: to be a third down back and he's never gotten
Speaker 1: like consistent work there. So um kind of not interested
Speaker 1: in pursuing those guys, but you know, I do. I
Speaker 1: do just want to say though, like Jordan was the
Speaker 1: perfect guest for this episode. Absolutely is, and like one
Speaker 1: one of the things that I'm taking away from this
Speaker 1: and I'm totally guilty when you look at these deeper
Speaker 1: dive running backs, like you get obsessed with youth, like
Speaker 1: maybe this guy will come out of the mist and
Speaker 1: he'll be this team's featured back for the next three
Speaker 1: years and all of you know, grab this guy. In
Speaker 1: the twenty seventh round of a startup or picked him
Speaker 1: off waivers or whatever. Your chances of doing that are
Speaker 1: so minuscule, and Jordan is correctly setting his sights on
Speaker 1: a more realistic goal of getting three or four starts
Speaker 1: out of these guys and like having them be of
Speaker 1: some utility to him in season in the pursuit of
Speaker 1: a title. So I like, I think that's just such
Speaker 1: a good perspective to have on this and you know,
Speaker 1: maybe kind of putting my more pie in the sky
Speaker 1: aspirations with these the running backs in these tiers sort
Speaker 1: of you know, sending me down to earth a little
Speaker 1: bit with that, which wow, I appreciate. Look, everyone has
Speaker 1: to come down to earth, right, Jordan's but but you know,
Speaker 1: take a dart throw on some of these players and
Speaker 1: seeing if they work. I mean, just how how great
Speaker 1: do you feel it? Like Philip Lindsay was my UDFA
Speaker 1: that absolutely worked out for me. That's why I highlighted
Speaker 1: him on here, because that was one where I'm like,
Speaker 1: Ad Denver's got a decent role. This guy led Colorado,
Speaker 1: and Carrie's like, he can't. We've seen him do it,
Speaker 1: and they they brought him in, so maybe and it
Speaker 1: worked out. Now I've said this about maybe a hundred
Speaker 1: other guys that hasn't worked out too And of course,
Speaker 1: you know, being an analyst, I remember those probably a
Speaker 1: little bit more. But I'm gonna brag about the ones
Speaker 1: that I get right. I had. No, I didn't have
Speaker 1: any shares of James Robinson, and he was the most
Speaker 1: recent ty to have that type of giant success. But
Speaker 1: you know, I wasn't on him. But I mean, there's
Speaker 1: it's always fun to throw a dart and a guy
Speaker 1: that you just liked watching in college and maybe it
Speaker 1: pans out and sometimes it's your guests is as good
Speaker 1: as mine. We're just trying to help you narrow the
Speaker 1: guests by saying who we like. Uh, you know, so Jordan,
Speaker 1: is there anyone else that we haven't mentioned that that
Speaker 1: uh you just have a feeling about or have a
Speaker 1: deep down gut feeling that maybe it's not analytical, but
Speaker 1: you just like the way that they play. Um. You
Speaker 1: know it's funny because Pat asked me, He's like, you
Speaker 1: want to come out and talk about in the deep
Speaker 1: running back so it's a chess. Yeah, yes, that's exactly
Speaker 1: what I want to do. Like I can't get you know,
Speaker 1: I'm at the Starbucks. You're trying to get the brest
Speaker 1: to talk to me, and she just isn't interested in that.
Speaker 1: But I won't absolutely on your show. Easier to do
Speaker 1: it here with fellow nerds. Yes, yes, you you you
Speaker 1: pick the right person. Um No, I mean I think
Speaker 1: more than and the overarching thing that I would say
Speaker 1: in this range. Uh And last year I went back
Speaker 1: and actually looked at a draft that I had done,
Speaker 1: and it was basically, you know, I had taken I
Speaker 1: think less fourteen rounds. I had taken twelve running backs, right,
Speaker 1: and that's the type of shape that I like in
Speaker 1: my roster, and the order of them by the time
Speaker 1: the season was all over was all jacked up. Right.
Speaker 1: It ended up being running. I think it was running
Speaker 1: in the twenty fourth round. I took Darryl Williams. In
Speaker 1: the twenty seventh round, I took DeVante Booker, and those
Speaker 1: guys like when you put them together. There was a
Speaker 1: stretch of about a month where that was a running
Speaker 1: back one type production. Right, And again, you don't know
Speaker 1: what the answer is in June, and you might not
Speaker 1: even know in August, right or week three, what's going
Speaker 1: to basically feel you down the stretch. What you're hoping
Speaker 1: to do is sort of get that right so that
Speaker 1: way you're taking. It's a volume game, right because there's
Speaker 1: a high attrition rate at running back. And what you're
Speaker 1: looking is spots start here, spots starts there. So to
Speaker 1: answer your question before, are you taking guys that can
Speaker 1: get that receiving work? I don't really like to do
Speaker 1: that because I want either I want to clear us
Speaker 1: or no in terms of this person's going in the lineup.
Speaker 1: And when you do that, what you find is like
Speaker 1: last year there was situations where where I had really
Speaker 1: good running back situations that was basically putting guys like
Speaker 1: Sequon Barkley on the outside of my lineup looking in.
Speaker 1: And those were just week to week start situations, right,
Speaker 1: and I wouldn't have been able to predict all that
Speaker 1: would happen along the way, other than to say, the
Speaker 1: more bets that I can take on that you're just
Speaker 1: looking for one, you know you're looking to what you're
Speaker 1: trying to do in these flex spots is just basically
Speaker 1: add up to you know, fourteen starts for one flex
Speaker 1: spot or twenty eight spots for two flex spots throughout
Speaker 1: the season, right, It's just you're just trying to fit
Speaker 1: players that are starting in that range, and you can
Speaker 1: do that a lot in this You're not going to
Speaker 1: know in June who it is, but that situation will
Speaker 1: reveal itself when the time comes, and you just need
Speaker 1: to take a lot of shots on them. One more
Speaker 1: question before we let you go here, and it's more
Speaker 1: of a you know, startup philosophical question because I got
Speaker 1: asked this a bunch on my stages yesterday, so I
Speaker 1: think it's just important to bring to the show here
Speaker 1: your thought of in a dynasty. Are you trying to
Speaker 1: get running backs early or because they don't last and
Speaker 1: they get beat up and they do churn. Are you
Speaker 1: trying to get more established wide receivers and take these
Speaker 1: shots later on the running backs because it can work
Speaker 1: for you. It just I would say it's just makes
Speaker 1: drafting a little more difficult overall if you're not going
Speaker 1: RB first because you don't feel as safe. It's probably
Speaker 1: the same difficulty level no matter who you take, but
Speaker 1: it feels safer to take those running backs. So are you,
Speaker 1: in general in dynasty startups, are you taking running backs
Speaker 1: early or are you leaning on those white outs. I'm
Speaker 1: doing a lot of super flex startups, so I'm going
Speaker 1: quarterback early. I'm going I'm in a lot of tight
Speaker 1: end premium startups, so I'm going first four rounds has
Speaker 1: become two quarterbacks, two tight ends. It's basically how I've
Speaker 1: leaned into it. Again, there's two PPR for tight ends
Speaker 1: in those leagues, so I've very aggressively gone towards that.
Speaker 1: And then I find in the range from basically kind
Speaker 1: of running back like sixteen to twenty four. If you will,
Speaker 1: right in that sort of ADP range, that's lucrative. You
Speaker 1: can kind of double hit that. That'll give you a
Speaker 1: really good floor ceiling combo. Guys like Camark and fall
Speaker 1: into there. There's a variety of guys in their Connor Fournet,
Speaker 1: Josh Jacobs is well sort of in that range. And
Speaker 1: then you know, trying to flesh out four or five
Speaker 1: wide receivers. I really feel good about. That'll allow me
Speaker 1: to take a lot of running backs, and by a
Speaker 1: lot of running backs. I want to take more running
Speaker 1: backs than wide receivers. I want to just twelve yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I want to take twice as many running backs as
Speaker 1: I have wide receivers. Really is what is what my
Speaker 1: goal is just as many as I can get because
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to constantly churn them. Yeah, fits, do
Speaker 1: you have, you know, a preference at running back or
Speaker 1: wide receiver? Do you just really go off your board
Speaker 1: for the first couple rounds? Uh? No. I tend to
Speaker 1: have a wide receiver, heavy build and startups and attack
Speaker 1: that position a little more aggressively and um, you know,
Speaker 1: willing to wait a little bit just get you know,
Speaker 1: maybe one sort of anchor back. But Jordan's right about
Speaker 1: that sweet spot, like in the sixteen to twenty four range,
Speaker 1: Like that's where I maybe try to sneak in and
Speaker 1: see if I can get two with those guys. I
Speaker 1: like running backs more, but it probably just makes me
Speaker 1: feel safer. It's kind of like that Futurama clip where
Speaker 1: it's executive delivery boy. It's just a title to make
Speaker 1: him feel better. You know. That's probably what it's like
Speaker 1: and why I take running backs early. But I always
Speaker 1: seem to like my team just wide receivers are cheap.
Speaker 1: You know, there's so many good ones you can go
Speaker 1: way down the board and feel comfortable and wide receivers,
Speaker 1: so it just makes me feel a little bit better.
Speaker 1: So I am still taking running backs early. But there
Speaker 1: there's um any way you cut it, there's there's a
Speaker 1: good answer, and you can do any strategy and be
Speaker 1: successful for sure. But that is going to wrap it
Speaker 1: up for us. We want to thank Jordan for joining us.
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Speaker 1: you know, talk to management about maybe going you know,
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Speaker 1: continuing to work on our Redraft kit, which should be
Speaker 1: out will definitely be out later this month, maybe even
Speaker 1: mid month. So that's been pretty all encompassing. I'm finishing
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