Speaker 1: Welcome back everybody. It's a Fantasy Pros Dynasy fantasy football
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Speaker 1: Scott Boglin. Follow me on the Twitter at Boglin Sports,
Speaker 1: and today on the show we are going to be
Speaker 1: doing five breakout players for myself, Pat Fitzmorris, and John McGlenn,
Speaker 1: who is a guest on the show today. Fitzy, how
Speaker 1: was your weekend? How did everything go for you at
Speaker 1: fits Underscore? F on the Twitter to follow him. Are
Speaker 1: you enjoying the summer and these this rancid heat wave
Speaker 1: that everyone is having right now. Yeah, I mean enjoying
Speaker 1: the summer, but not enough box Like hopefully most people
Speaker 1: are catching this via podcast and not via video, because
Speaker 1: look at me. For those who are watching on video,
Speaker 1: I'm as white as cast for the ghost right now.
Speaker 1: I know I'm gonna I could blame it on poor lighting,
Speaker 1: but I've got, like you know, all these great studio
Speaker 1: lights that Fantasy Pros hooked me up with. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: blame it on my bosses for working me too hard
Speaker 1: when I should be across the street at the golf
Speaker 1: course working on my short game. So too much work
Speaker 1: not enough play what he makes pattis a sad boy,
Speaker 1: is a surly boy. Well, look, I just hope my
Speaker 1: power stays on because I'm in Texas and they've warned
Speaker 1: us about rolling blackouts in this state with the grid.
Speaker 1: And you know, a couple of years ago, I wasn't here,
Speaker 1: but when the power went out in the winter that
Speaker 1: they said, well we're built for the summer. That was
Speaker 1: the thing. And now they're warning us about potential outages.
Speaker 1: It hasn't happened today or yesterday, but it was like
Speaker 1: one hundred and four yesterday here, which is like, did
Speaker 1: I bring Arizona with me? What is happening right now?
Speaker 1: John joining us here at John McGlenn seventy five. You
Speaker 1: can catch him on his podcast, A Commissioner Evaluation Pod.
Speaker 1: How you Do a Man? How's your summer been? It's
Speaker 1: been nice for me. My daughter's in Lacrosse. We've been
Speaker 1: kind of over the place. My wife's on the way
Speaker 1: home from New Jersey right now. We just had a
Speaker 1: family rus last week. We went to mohammeds and stuff,
Speaker 1: so it was it's been nice. It's been I'm half
Speaker 1: Greek and half Irish, so I guess some tan skin
Speaker 1: when I go out. But the currect Caribbean vacation kind
Speaker 1: of help with that. But uh yeah, everything was great.
Speaker 1: Like I said, she's on the way home from New
Speaker 1: Jersey right now. She's at the actual at the in Ohio,
Speaker 1: at that Christmas story house right now about five hours.
Speaker 1: Oh nice, you've seen the Liberty Bell and all the
Speaker 1: other stuff on the way back home. But we've been
Speaker 1: to forty three states already in America with our kids,
Speaker 1: traveling sports, see see in the world, and there's no
Speaker 1: better place in America to kind of do that stuff.
Speaker 1: So I love it. John is rested. He's the opposite
Speaker 1: of fits. He's damned up. He's had the vacations. He's
Speaker 1: ready to rock and roll. So Fox, if I if
Speaker 1: I can interject, though, I mean John is like John
Speaker 1: is like the best commissioner, one of the best commissioners
Speaker 1: out there. I mean Scott Fish. I guess where's the crowd,
Speaker 1: but John is right up there. And like John had
Speaker 1: just gotten back from his vacation when he was hosting
Speaker 1: three live drafts in Chicago for the Scott Fish Ball.
Speaker 1: So like, man, he's not too rested up because he
Speaker 1: came back and had to get right at it, and
Speaker 1: you know, he was just a whirling dervish as far
Speaker 1: as running those drafts, and he did a great job
Speaker 1: of it. So my hat's off to him for that.
Speaker 1: Thank you. I do nothing but home leagues, and that's
Speaker 1: kind of what I do, is do home league, so
Speaker 1: I was right up my alley. The fish Bowl was
Speaker 1: actually my only league league that was not a home league,
Speaker 1: so now it is a home league. So every one
Speaker 1: of my leagues is a home league. Now I have
Speaker 1: tons of people in there. It's a great time. I
Speaker 1: had a blast. Thanks Fitz for coming out and kicking
Speaker 1: it off for us. Yeah, my pleasure. Yeah, I'm in
Speaker 1: you know, thank you to Fitz for getting me in
Speaker 1: the Scott Fish Bowl. I am in it for the
Speaker 1: first time this year and having a great time in
Speaker 1: my draft so far, it's moved a little slower than
Speaker 1: some of the other drafts, but we're getting there and
Speaker 1: I like my start so far. So I'm sure we'll have,
Speaker 1: you know, somewhere, we'll be going over our Scott Fish
Speaker 1: team at some point for sure. So but today, like
Speaker 1: I said, we're gonna be talking about breakouts in this
Speaker 1: episode and the way we're gonna do it is we're
Speaker 1: gonna have a haptain obvious pick from each of us
Speaker 1: that we're gonna have two that are less obvious. But
Speaker 1: some people are saying that maybe there's a breakout years.
Speaker 1: Maybe some people aren't. They're just not as heavily talked
Speaker 1: about as the first three. Two of those for everybody,
Speaker 1: and then two deep shots, two guys that are you know,
Speaker 1: in a basic draft, you're basically gonna have these guys
Speaker 1: be free, so they're gonna be deeper shots that you
Speaker 1: can take and guys that could potentially break out this season.
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Speaker 1: you are the guest. We're gonna give you the first
Speaker 1: option here. Who is your obvious breakout player? And why
Speaker 1: do you like that? Guy? My captain obvious choice for
Speaker 1: a player who I believe will have a massive breakout
Speaker 1: this year is te Higgins. Most people think that he
Speaker 1: Higgins broke out last year, but out of the fourteen
Speaker 1: Fantasy relevant weeks that he played in and we all
Speaker 1: care about, he had a wide receiver seven, six to five,
Speaker 1: two wide receiver, fours, four wide receiver, threes, wide receiver
Speaker 1: two and one and three wide receiver one weeks, which
Speaker 1: all happened we twelve or later, those same the same
Speaker 1: post twelve games that the only we're the only ones
Speaker 1: that Higgins had any of his hunter yard plus receiving
Speaker 1: games this year. I'm fairly confident that Higgins will finish
Speaker 1: well ahead of the Cheetah Tyreek Hill, a new and
Speaker 1: not explosive offense. He's gonna finish in front of Deebo Saniel,
Speaker 1: who's crying about running the ball, which might have an
Speaker 1: impact on his fantasy value. And I see Higgins finishing
Speaker 1: ahead of Mike Evans, Keenan Allen, A J. Brown in Dynasty.
Speaker 1: He's stilely twenty three years old. He's got an actual
Speaker 1: chance to outscore his own superstar teammate Jamar Chase, and
Speaker 1: his ADP is average. JAFF position is in late round
Speaker 1: two or earlier round three, where you have to spend
Speaker 1: a top five pick to get Chase. So that's that's
Speaker 1: why I think he's the obvious pick for a breakout.
Speaker 1: And he is on ECR in terms of Dynasty right now,
Speaker 1: he is eight. He is behind some of the guys
Speaker 1: you mentioned, A J. Brown, Jamar Chase, Stefan Diggs, and
Speaker 1: he's just ahead of Debot, ahead of Waddle, ahead of
Speaker 1: Tyree Hill. Just the youth there. I think people don't
Speaker 1: realize because Chase came in it was so explosive last year,
Speaker 1: and Higgins was the veteran compared to him. Higgins still
Speaker 1: very very young. Fits are you on this train too?
Speaker 1: Do you like Higgins to breakout even more this season?
Speaker 1: And Box and you and I were talking before the
Speaker 1: show about how you had touted him on a discord
Speaker 1: stages last night to someone who was debating between keepers
Speaker 1: and what was it Higgins and Mooney? Yeah? Yeah, And
Speaker 1: Mooney was in the twelve, Higgins was in the sixth.
Speaker 1: But you know, I love Mooney, but Higgins is just
Speaker 1: he is a wide receiver. One. He has that build.
Speaker 1: And if he was you know, if he was in Atlanta,
Speaker 1: you know, maybe not with Mariota and all that stuff,
Speaker 1: but if he was somewhere where he could be a
Speaker 1: true only guy, he would be up in that top five.
Speaker 1: I think with you know, these other guys that A. J.
Speaker 1: Browns and Justin Jeffersons, he would probably be right behind
Speaker 1: Chason Jefferson. To be honest with you, So to knock
Speaker 1: him down because Chase is there is just I don't
Speaker 1: think it's the right mindset. He's not a wide receiver. Two,
Speaker 1: He's a wide He's another wide receiver. One with another
Speaker 1: wide receiversion. I get that Mooney's the only show in
Speaker 1: town over there, but Higgins is still gonna blo him
Speaker 1: out of water Redrafting and Dynasty, especially Dynasty. What you're
Speaker 1: talking about here, it's not even I mean, it's a
Speaker 1: horror racing a mule at that point in time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and Box you mentioned like the chase things shouldn't really
Speaker 1: deter people on Higgins because this is more like a
Speaker 1: Marvin Harrison Reggie Wayne type of thing where there, yeah,
Speaker 1: is enough room for both guys to eat, and it's
Speaker 1: going to be that explosive an offense I think with
Speaker 1: Burrow and the much improved offensive line, like and Higgins
Speaker 1: is going to be tied to Burrow and this offense
Speaker 1: for this year and another three years minimum beyond that.
Speaker 1: So it's a really good outlook for him for Dynasty.
Speaker 1: My hope is a Steelers fan, is that all these
Speaker 1: guys play too good to resign with the Bengals. That's
Speaker 1: what I want. I want them out of my division,
Speaker 1: that is for sure, or realignment, you know, that's okay too.
Speaker 1: But I love I love the hatred that the Steelers
Speaker 1: and Bengals have. So it's a fun one, Fitzy, who's
Speaker 1: your captain obvious selection for a breakout in twenty twenty two.
Speaker 1: All right, so let's stay in the same division, and
Speaker 1: let's stay with a wide receiver and Rashad Bateman. And
Speaker 1: I don't like to tell out guys just basically only
Speaker 1: on where they are with the depth charts and you know, oh,
Speaker 1: look at all these vacant targets with Marquis Brown being
Speaker 1: dealt to the Cardinals. Yes, Bateman does seem poised for
Speaker 1: a big boost in targets after his sort of disappointing
Speaker 1: rookie year where he dealt with a groin injury early
Speaker 1: and then like Lamar Jackson, after Bateman got healthy, Lamar
Speaker 1: Jackson miss some time. But like, I wouldn't base the
Speaker 1: breakout prediction just on the situation. I think there's the
Speaker 1: talents to back it up. I mean, he was a
Speaker 1: first round pick, and I think he really has no
Speaker 1: flaws in his game. I mean he's not like, you know,
Speaker 1: a ten out of ten in every category, but like
Speaker 1: he really doesn't have any weaknesses to his game. He's
Speaker 1: like a good route runner, you know, decent size, pretty
Speaker 1: good speed, good after the catch, really good hands, feisty,
Speaker 1: uncontested catches, and he has played both inside and outside
Speaker 1: at Minnesota. I know PJ Fleck, their coach, kind of believes,
Speaker 1: like the top receiver, it would always be yeah, row
Speaker 1: the boat. PJ believes the top receiver should always be
Speaker 1: the slot guy. So if he's got a really good receiver,
Speaker 1: he's gonna put that guy in the slot. He put
Speaker 1: Bateman in the slot after Tyler Johnson left the program,
Speaker 1: and like, I don't think Bateman's best spot is the slot,
Speaker 1: but he can do it. He's gonna, you know, he'll
Speaker 1: take some snaps there, So that versatility is kind of nice.
Speaker 1: Just a lot going for this guy, and he has
Speaker 1: a massive opportunity in twenty twenty two. So I have
Speaker 1: a question for you. We were playing this game on
Speaker 1: IL earlier. It's a fun one. Can you give me
Speaker 1: your projections if you're projecting a breakout for Bateman? Would
Speaker 1: it look like? Just give me catches, yard scores, What
Speaker 1: does that look like in a Baltimore offense? And I'll
Speaker 1: tell you what fantasy pros projections are after that. So
Speaker 1: this this should be a fun experiment here. Yeah, just
Speaker 1: off the top of my head, I would say like
Speaker 1: eighty five catches, maybe a thousand ninety yards and eight touchdowns.
Speaker 1: So the projections are seventy three, nine, twenty nine and five.
Speaker 1: So you're not asking for That's like you're asking for
Speaker 1: two games that are a little bit better where he
Speaker 1: scores a couple of touchdowns and a couple extra receptions
Speaker 1: and yards there. So I'm with that one. And Bateman
Speaker 1: becoming a number one could be huge. I mean, I
Speaker 1: think Mark Andrews is still the number one target receiver
Speaker 1: in this offense. But we saw, you know, with the
Speaker 1: demise of the Baltimore defense last year. Last year, John,
Speaker 1: they passed the ball way more than they wanted to
Speaker 1: h and Markus Brown actually put up some decent numbers.
Speaker 1: What do you think of Bateman? Uh? This year and
Speaker 1: moving forward? Yeah, he was number one in like efficiency.
Speaker 1: It's it's find a slot. I mean, it's it says
Speaker 1: a lot is I think the statue you guys had
Speaker 1: mentioned are pretty much spot on. It's it's not they
Speaker 1: passed away too much. Last year. They didn't want to.
Speaker 1: They had no running backs. The whole team got hurt,
Speaker 1: including Lamar Jackson. So it's going to be a situation
Speaker 1: where the offensive come down to an earth a little
Speaker 1: bit more. Won't be as much passing probably as we'll
Speaker 1: talk about later about three hundred and eighty four hundred
Speaker 1: passes at probably at the most of that offense. But
Speaker 1: I mean, Bateman is a quality receiver, So it's it's
Speaker 1: somebody that I would like to have. It definitely is
Speaker 1: my wide receiver two, possibly you know, my wide receiver three,
Speaker 1: you know, and any fantasy and any Dynasty aster I
Speaker 1: have right now. Yeah, I like Bateman a lot. Once again,
Speaker 1: we're touting the AFC North and not the Steelers here,
Speaker 1: so I don't like that. But uh, you know, Bateman
Speaker 1: is definitely going to be a stud uh and I'm
Speaker 1: excited to see what he has this here for sure
Speaker 1: for my my breakout here. A captain obvious, which I
Speaker 1: feel like he's getting a little divisive in the community here,
Speaker 1: But I love Javonte Williams and I think he's absolutely
Speaker 1: going to take over this season for Denver. And I
Speaker 1: looked at just a game last year, you know, I
Speaker 1: know a lot of people. His ECR I believe went
Speaker 1: down from like just in for twenty twenty two only
Speaker 1: not for Dynasty. But I think it went from eight
Speaker 1: to twelve after Melvin Gordon resigned there, and I thought
Speaker 1: that was a little funny. Not that Melvin Gordon is
Speaker 1: a good Melvin Gordon is still very good back and
Speaker 1: can be used like he was last season, But they
Speaker 1: let Melvin Gordon sit on the pile for two months
Speaker 1: before they resigned him. Any team could have come along
Speaker 1: and resigned Melvin Gordon and he would have been gone
Speaker 1: and out of this system. So I think Denver's plan
Speaker 1: is going to be to give the rock to Javonte
Speaker 1: Williams a little bit more. It's concerning because he was
Speaker 1: never the number one, you know, carrying the load in
Speaker 1: North Carolina. He was there with Michael Carter. Last year
Speaker 1: he was in Denver with Melvin Gordon. So this is
Speaker 1: a first for him if he's going to get an
Speaker 1: expanded role. But I went back and I looked, and
Speaker 1: last season he had in the games that he had
Speaker 1: over fifteen touches. So if he's gonna see that expanded role,
Speaker 1: that I predict because Melvin Gordon, you know, was left
Speaker 1: to go for so long they kind of begrudgingly brought
Speaker 1: him back. It felt like he avers eighteen point eight
Speaker 1: eight points per game in PPR, which would be fourth.
Speaker 1: He also had four touchdowns over those five games. That
Speaker 1: was only five games where he had fifteen or more
Speaker 1: or more than fifteen touches, so sixteen or more, so
Speaker 1: he ended up fourth in points per game. That would
Speaker 1: have been good enough for fourth. So for me with
Speaker 1: a better offense, a better quarterback making this offense really
Speaker 1: open up. We already saw how elusive I mean, I
Speaker 1: think he would might have been number one in PF
Speaker 1: elusive rating. I know he had an absurd amount of
Speaker 1: mistackles compared to everybody else with the limited amount of
Speaker 1: carries that Javanta Williams had last season. So I just
Speaker 1: think that everything adds up for a big breakout for Javante.
Speaker 1: Not a surprise. A lot of people are saying this.
Speaker 1: A lot of people think Melvin Gordon comes in and
Speaker 1: MUCKs this up a little bit. What's eye of the fence?
Speaker 1: Are you on, Pat, are you on the javan is
Speaker 1: going to break outside? Or Now I'm a little cautious
Speaker 1: because they did bring back Melvin Gordon, who is an
Speaker 1: experienced running back, pretty squarely on the fence, Bogs. But
Speaker 1: I love hearing you talk about the breakout possibility since
Speaker 1: I just took him in the fourth round of the
Speaker 1: scott Fish and yeah, I felt like pretty good value
Speaker 1: in the middle of the fourth round. And if he
Speaker 1: does continue to split work pretty evenly with Melvin Gordon,
Speaker 1: I'm still not going to regret the pick. I think
Speaker 1: he'll you know, he won't smash, but it'll still be worthwhile,
Speaker 1: I think. And you know, if the Broncos do tweak
Speaker 1: the sliders on usage a little bit and you know,
Speaker 1: boost Javante's percentage of Carrie's and lower Melvin Gordon's role
Speaker 1: a little bit, then yeah, because I don't think there's
Speaker 1: any doubting the talents, just the burst this guy has
Speaker 1: for bigger back and just what he does on contact. Man.
Speaker 1: I mean, some plays from a season just get etched
Speaker 1: in your brain. And from twenty twenty one, for me
Speaker 1: is the game against the Ravens where, like I think
Speaker 1: it was a run wide left, Marlon Humphrey tries to
Speaker 1: tackle him and just goes along for the ride, and
Speaker 1: it was like, you know, there was there was a
Speaker 1: fly on Javanta's shoulder, like Marlon Humphrey just wasn't even there.
Speaker 1: He's running with a full body on him like Humphrey is, Yeah,
Speaker 1: shraped over him like a minx stole and like just
Speaker 1: didn't even slow him down. Must have gone ten yards
Speaker 1: with Marlon Humphrey like that. So um, yeah, no question
Speaker 1: about the talent. And um, if you're a Javante Williams investor,
Speaker 1: your hope is definitely that they ramp him up and
Speaker 1: start to ease back Gordon. I don't think you're going
Speaker 1: to see anything like a Dalvin Cook Alexander Madison split,
Speaker 1: but hopefully you start to see something other than a
Speaker 1: true fifty fifty. I mean sixteen touches a game. I
Speaker 1: think that's the marker that spiked Javante last season. John,
Speaker 1: So do you think that that is a Reasonabowl expectation
Speaker 1: for Williams this year is sixteen touches are more per game?
Speaker 1: Or do you think I kind of like Melvin Gordon Still,
Speaker 1: I don't like Melvin Gordon, and I got Javonta Williams
Speaker 1: on almost everyone of my Dynasty teams, So I want
Speaker 1: Javonton Williams. I could sit here and until he's gonna
Speaker 1: be running back one and it would be awesome to
Speaker 1: talk myself into that, But I think he's going to
Speaker 1: be a mid running back to that. Unfortunately, this year
Speaker 1: it's just meddling to have another running back. I mean
Speaker 1: Gordon's nothing's fantastic, but he is just a thorn in
Speaker 1: the side of Javonte Williams. And it's you know, I
Speaker 1: could just see him, you know, like like John Hoge
Speaker 1: was on my show a couple weeks ago and he says,
Speaker 1: you know, the job Johnson Williams would have these massive plays.
Speaker 1: He's you know, he had six like what the NFL
Speaker 1: calls long breakout runs. He'd do all the work, all
Speaker 1: the way to the to the goal line, and they
Speaker 1: bring in Gordon to come, you know, vulture to touchdowns
Speaker 1: and it's like, uh, I think Javonte is gonna get
Speaker 1: a couple more goal line carriers this year. But I
Speaker 1: mean his his bread and butter will probably be more
Speaker 1: in the passing game and a receiving games. So I
Speaker 1: just hope that he you get somewhere around fifty receptions
Speaker 1: probably you know, let's say four hundred yards and a
Speaker 1: couple like maybe three or four touchdowns to go along
Speaker 1: with his rushing stat Rushing yards that are going to
Speaker 1: be cut in half. So I just I think that
Speaker 1: I'm expecting him to be a high and running back
Speaker 1: to hopefully a low end running back one, and that's
Speaker 1: kind of where I'm a realistic ad and if I
Speaker 1: expecting to be more, I'm just kind of fool of myself.
Speaker 1: So I'm hoping for that, but I'm expecting a mid
Speaker 1: mid running back to year this year for Jamonte. Sixteen
Speaker 1: touches a game over seventeen games is two hundred and
Speaker 1: seventy two, So it's it's yeah that that number seems
Speaker 1: like a lot, and he probably won't get to sixteen
Speaker 1: to every game, but I think if you're getting it
Speaker 1: most games, then he's up in that category. Like I said,
Speaker 1: if he's getting more carries, also, he has more shots
Speaker 1: at breaking one for a touchdown, and he scored I
Speaker 1: think it was in three of those five games he
Speaker 1: scored touchdowns. One of him he scored twice. But you
Speaker 1: just you know, you put the ball in his hands
Speaker 1: more and he's going to do great things. So I'm
Speaker 1: all in, John, who is your first less obvious player
Speaker 1: that you think will break out this season? The player
Speaker 1: I feel is about to explode this year's Juju Smith Schuster. Yes,
Speaker 1: I know this is dynasty and Jujus and a one
Speaker 1: year contract, but I feel that this is the beginning
Speaker 1: of a long love story between Patrick Mahomes and Juju
Speaker 1: Smith Schuster. The loss of Tyreek Hill left to void
Speaker 1: in this offense that could be only it can only
Speaker 1: be filled with a proven player like Juju, who already
Speaker 1: has a top twelve and two twenty four top twenty
Speaker 1: four seasons in the books. Injuries and the creature from
Speaker 1: the Black and Gold Pocket also known as Ben Rothsberger
Speaker 1: threw the ball six feet from the line of scrimmage
Speaker 1: really tarnished the image of what once was once a
Speaker 1: vital piece of a high functioning NFL offense. And the
Speaker 1: Steelers we all know that sky Moore was drafted in
Speaker 1: the second round and the Chiefs also brought in the
Speaker 1: drag racer decoy and known as an mvs. Marques Della
Speaker 1: is standing. But this offense will flow through Travis Kelsey
Speaker 1: and then through Juju Smith Schuster. I think this is
Speaker 1: a wink wink nudge knowledge. Hey just signed a one
Speaker 1: year deal now and when Patrick and Cooper and Patrick
Speaker 1: you know, and Juju have a Cooper Cup type breakout season,
Speaker 1: we'll lock these guys into a long term off long
Speaker 1: term deality to face in a franchise for the Chiefs.
Speaker 1: I mean, we're about to go do crowding the garage, Seohn.
Speaker 1: So I've been on Juju this whole offseason. Pat knows
Speaker 1: that I've been absurdly over the top about Juju. I
Speaker 1: think I have him ranked at nineteen. No one has
Speaker 1: him even close to that high. And Fitzy, what do
Speaker 1: you think about Juju? I mean, we have talked about
Speaker 1: him ad nauseum, but this is just another piece adding
Speaker 1: up for Juju here and you know I love it.
Speaker 1: Forty one is his ECR in Dynasty right now. Forty one.
Speaker 1: That's crazy. Yeah, so m I have liked him ever
Speaker 1: since he came out of USC. Loved him obviously, great
Speaker 1: start to his career, and then the last couple of
Speaker 1: years have been rough with injuries and Ben Roethlisberger's decay.
Speaker 1: And you know, I just had Joe Dolan on my
Speaker 1: podcast and like the other Fantasy Points guys are down
Speaker 1: on Juju, like they're way below ADP or ECR on him.
Speaker 1: And one of the points Joe brought up was like
Speaker 1: it's kind of a follow the money thing, like why
Speaker 1: did Juju return to the Steelers on such a cheap
Speaker 1: one year deal? Why did he, um, you know, not
Speaker 1: get more money in free agency this year from you know,
Speaker 1: like Christin Kirk drove away from free agency in a
Speaker 1: brinkstruck and Juju with a relatively you know, modest deal,
Speaker 1: Like why is that? Um? And obviously there are other
Speaker 1: possible targets here? Could um sure? You know Kelsey? Is
Speaker 1: you mentioned with Bateman in Baltimore that Andrews is probably
Speaker 1: still the top guy there. Kelsey's still the top guy
Speaker 1: in Kansas City? Um? So, I mean, if I did
Speaker 1: have to bet who's going to finish second to Kelsey
Speaker 1: in Catches on that team, I would bet Juju. Um Like,
Speaker 1: I'm a little cautious. I'm not going all in on
Speaker 1: him in Dynasty. I'm like, as far as fielding offers,
Speaker 1: putting together offers for him, I'm being a little careful.
Speaker 1: I'm not overpaying for him. But I don't have him
Speaker 1: on any Dynasty rosters, right, I take that back, I
Speaker 1: have him on fun. You have a ticket to the
Speaker 1: hype train, but you're not getting on it yet. Yeah,
Speaker 1: kind of it? Man, you're ready for it to go.
Speaker 1: But you're like, how should I stay here or should
Speaker 1: I get on this train? You're still deciding it? Yeah,
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Speaker 1: up for your second less obvious breakout candidate. Who is
Speaker 1: it going to be? Romandre Stevenson got really well. Became
Speaker 1: infatuated with him when he wrecked Florida. I think it
Speaker 1: was the Orange Bowl. Was that his last game? Bogs after? Yes,
Speaker 1: that sounds right after kind of a star cross career.
Speaker 1: I know he was suspended for a while for marijuana use.
Speaker 1: I think it was anyway, So is there he exactly
Speaker 1: his first year kind of a star crossed beginning for
Speaker 1: him in New England with losing a fumble right off
Speaker 1: the batness first game, so he right immediately into the
Speaker 1: doghouse immediately Yep, healthy scratch in his next three games.
Speaker 1: But then he slowly worked his way back into Bill
Speaker 1: Belichick's good graces, and over his last eleven regular season
Speaker 1: games averaged twelve carries a game. So that's pretty good
Speaker 1: usage for Belichick, who's been historically wary I think of
Speaker 1: rookie running backs, it's safe to say so. Two hundred
Speaker 1: and thirty one pounds nifty feet catches passes. And I
Speaker 1: just mentioned Joe Dolan being on my podcast this week,
Speaker 1: and Joe is doing a podcast series talking to various
Speaker 1: beat writers, and he was talking to Andrew Callahan of
Speaker 1: the Boston Herald, and Callahan predicted that Stevenson would overtake
Speaker 1: Damien Harris this year as the Patriots lead guy. So
Speaker 1: if you've got a beat writer from a major newspaper
Speaker 1: covering the Patriots calling his shot on that, that definitely
Speaker 1: piques my interest. It fans the Flames, that's for sure. John,
Speaker 1: What do you think about Romandre Stevenson. My thing with
Speaker 1: running backs in New England is that I generally don't
Speaker 1: want any of them because I just despise what Belichick
Speaker 1: has done with his position over the years. Up you
Speaker 1: remember Mike Gillislee only scoring touchdowns, so nobody else could
Speaker 1: score touchdowns like you just never know. I like Damien
Speaker 1: Harris coming out of Obama too. Stevenson was very good
Speaker 1: at Oklahoma, I mean annoyingly. As a Texas fan. I
Speaker 1: used to watch him and he was outstanding there. So
Speaker 1: I do like the player, I like the team and
Speaker 1: situation less, what do you think about the potential for
Speaker 1: Stevenson to break out this year? Romadre Stevenson and Antonio
Speaker 1: Gibson are my two favorite running backs in league. But
Speaker 1: I had this argument with somebody and it made sense.
Speaker 1: It's one of those kind of slap in the face
Speaker 1: moments where you realize that you were wrong. Where I
Speaker 1: had Stevenson, I'm like, he could do everything. He could block,
Speaker 1: he can catch, he can run, he's a goal line back,
Speaker 1: he's big. Everything about the guy's great. He could take
Speaker 1: over New England's offense all by himself. He could be everything,
Speaker 1: and somebody said, but the Patriots. The Patriots just don't
Speaker 1: do that. And I'm like, yeah, okay, you know, thanks
Speaker 1: for ruining my life, you know, but that's I want to.
Speaker 1: I wanted Stevenson to be everything, and I just don't
Speaker 1: think that in New England there's ever going to be
Speaker 1: anybody who does anything. There's been Lacare Blunt, goal line backs,
Speaker 1: There's been all kind of great people who do great things,
Speaker 1: but there's never any everybody that does any that does everything.
Speaker 1: There's always a guy who does this, and a guy
Speaker 1: who does that, and the guy who does that, but
Speaker 1: never somebody who does everything. And I just think Romandre
Speaker 1: Stevens is in for one hundred and fifty to one
Speaker 1: hundred and seventy rushes, you know, probably maybe twenty to
Speaker 1: thirty catches, and he'll just be Romandre Stevenson forever and
Speaker 1: minus a fumble here and there, which everybody's going to happen.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry that the Patriots kind of punished guys a
Speaker 1: little more than the rest of the league, but if
Speaker 1: he doesn't fumble, I still see him as a midwide receiver,
Speaker 1: I mean a mid running back like three, and that's
Speaker 1: as far as he's gonna be I think in my book,
Speaker 1: unfortunately Corey Dillon bogs Corey Dillon last one. That's my
Speaker 1: one historical exception for Belichick. Hopefully it can be Corey Dillon.
Speaker 1: And they probably had to, you know, convince Corey Dillon
Speaker 1: that he was going to get that role when he
Speaker 1: signed there too, So you know that that's I I
Speaker 1: you know, you could be right. You know, Romandre Stevenson
Speaker 1: breaking out like John said, like I said, is one
Speaker 1: hundred percent within the realm of possibilities. It could definitely happen.
Speaker 1: He could overtake Damian Harris. I just I don't expect
Speaker 1: surprising huge fantasy seasons out of any non quarterback or
Speaker 1: tight end in UH in New England often. So my
Speaker 1: first less obvious candidate is Marcus Brown. Now, with the
Speaker 1: years in a Cardinals, and Marcus Brown has gotten better
Speaker 1: every single year. In the NFL twenty nineteen, he was
Speaker 1: forty fourth among wide receivers in points, twenty twenty, he
Speaker 1: was thirty six. Last season he was twenty third. Um
Speaker 1: it's been forty eight, forty seventh, and twenty six in
Speaker 1: points per game, better every single year. And remember, you
Speaker 1: know we're going to an offense, and surprisingly, you know,
Speaker 1: when I was trying to do check marks for why
Speaker 1: Marcus Brown is going to get better, I went, well,
Speaker 1: they have to pass more in Arizona than they did
Speaker 1: in Baltimore last season. But they did in Baltimore, actually
Speaker 1: threw more than Arizona last season because because they worked down,
Speaker 1: because that secondary got so beat up in Baltimore last year,
Speaker 1: they had to play point for point. They had to
Speaker 1: play catch up at the end of the year, and
Speaker 1: you see it didn't work very well for them. Well,
Speaker 1: Arizona has been doing this four years. DeAndre Hopkins is
Speaker 1: on a six game suspension. Rondo Moore is young. I
Speaker 1: still like zach Ertz, but don't forget Kyler Murray and
Speaker 1: Marcus Brown were huge together at Oklahoma the one year
Speaker 1: that they played together, seventy five catches, thirteen hundred and
Speaker 1: eighteen yards and ten touchdowns from Marcus Brown. Now that
Speaker 1: he's a pro, now that he's in this wide system
Speaker 1: where you're gonna have to worry about Rondel Moore, you're
Speaker 1: gonna have to worry about other guys. The thing that
Speaker 1: makes Marquis Brown is manning him up, putting him one
Speaker 1: on one on someone he snaps a route off like
Speaker 1: nobody's business, you know, in Baltimore, especially with Lamar and
Speaker 1: them limiting his passing at least, I feel like they've
Speaker 1: limited his passing too much in his career. I think
Speaker 1: he could throw the ball deeper than he has. I
Speaker 1: think he's gonna have a much deeper a dot. I
Speaker 1: think he's gonna make some huge plays for this Cardinals team.
Speaker 1: I think he is going to have a true breakout.
Speaker 1: I have him as a kind of mid tiers wide receiver,
Speaker 1: two moving forward fits. Are you with me on Marquise
Speaker 1: on Hollywood or are you just not interested? After seeing
Speaker 1: what he's done in Baltimore, I have warmed to Hollywood somewhat.
Speaker 1: I guess my comp for him is sort of Deshaun Jackson,
Speaker 1: which is good and bad in a way, because I
Speaker 1: think he's like capable of, you know, like really big
Speaker 1: games or whatever. I think I've always had this bias
Speaker 1: toward bigger wide receivers, you know, team team, big wide receiver.
Speaker 1: I've kind of gotten off that a little bit in
Speaker 1: recent years. And you know, people who know what a
Speaker 1: Rondale Moore advocate I've been, it might call me a
Speaker 1: hypocer at the maybe you should have changed everyone's mind
Speaker 1: on that. Yea true abe And like Rondale, Moore's kind
Speaker 1: of a different cat though, Like I mean he squats
Speaker 1: like eight hundred pounds or whatever. The guy's like, you know,
Speaker 1: built like a fire hydrant, whereas like m J D
Speaker 1: at wide receiver, Yeah yeah, whereas Hollywood has built more
Speaker 1: like my you know, skinny fifteen year old son. And
Speaker 1: I just feel like there might be a little more
Speaker 1: injury risk there, even though you know, we haven't seen
Speaker 1: him like really miss significant time in his career so far.
Speaker 1: But I just don't know if he's going to be
Speaker 1: you know, it's a bigger, a higher a dots guy,
Speaker 1: a guy who's more of a downfield guy. Like I
Speaker 1: don't think he's going to be a consistent week end
Speaker 1: week out producer. I think he's going to be one
Speaker 1: of those guys you maybe want on your bestball team
Speaker 1: where you don't have to pick the weeks where he's
Speaker 1: going to go off. But definitely more interested this year
Speaker 1: now that he's back with Kyler again. Like I'm I'm
Speaker 1: buying into the you know, the shower narrative, a college
Speaker 1: shower narrative that these two former Oklahoma teammates are gonna
Speaker 1: you know, light it up again. Uh John Fantasy pros
Speaker 1: projections on Marquis seventy five point seven catches, ninety four
Speaker 1: nine or forty one point nine yards and five point
Speaker 1: eight touchdowns. Is that fair? You think that's low? And
Speaker 1: where are you out on Marquis moving forward? That's right
Speaker 1: on target. I'm happy with that. I think he's a
Speaker 1: midwide receiver too. That's that's about where Again, like Fitz said,
Speaker 1: I think he's a bit more of a best ball
Speaker 1: player than a weekly you know, a guy you're gonna
Speaker 1: depend on all the time. He's gonna have some monster weeks,
Speaker 1: especially the first half of the season, monster weeks. But
Speaker 1: who knows what's gonna happen when the whole teams together again,
Speaker 1: or who's gonna get all targets or what's going on.
Speaker 1: But the first half of the season, there's gonna be
Speaker 1: some huge weeks. I mean he may be he may
Speaker 1: be a weekly winner for you, you know, five of
Speaker 1: the first eight weeks of the season. So it's it's
Speaker 1: somebody I would like to have on my team. But again,
Speaker 1: at the size he is five nine one, sixty one
Speaker 1: sixty five something like that. I forget what exactly who weighs,
Speaker 1: but skinny, yes that is. I mean, I'm like three
Speaker 1: of that guy, the same Sames is for sure. All right, John,
Speaker 1: who's your second guy? Who is the next guy that's
Speaker 1: going to break out here? So my less obvious ant
Speaker 1: or less obvious one is Trevor Lawrence. He's in a
Speaker 1: situation where he doesn't really have anything great around him,
Speaker 1: but almost every aspect of his offense has been upgraded.
Speaker 1: Doug Peterson is one of those upgrade pieces, as he's
Speaker 1: a coach. We all know who loves to throw the ball.
Speaker 1: Lawrence threw the ball over six hundred times last year,
Speaker 1: but most of those passes while he was running for
Speaker 1: his life, you know, so his quality of throw has
Speaker 1: suffered a lot. I'm going to bet that the Jaguars
Speaker 1: will still throw the ball close six hundred times this year,
Speaker 1: but this time it will be the targets that are
Speaker 1: not running into each other in the middle of the field.
Speaker 1: A new competent coach, healthy Travis Etn upgraded wide receiver
Speaker 1: with Christian Kirk and Za Jones underrated at ingram, A
Speaker 1: few new offensive line improvements. They'll make the Jaguars slightly,
Speaker 1: but somebody better team. But strikes Trevor Lawrence will make
Speaker 1: it in real life and especially in fantasy football, will
Speaker 1: be tremendous as a dynasty player, especially in any kind
Speaker 1: of two quarterback or super flex format. The clock has
Speaker 1: taken on the buy low window for Lawrence. Like I said,
Speaker 1: look for around six hundred tesks, for a lot more
Speaker 1: quality completions, a significant uptake in yards and touchdowns, a
Speaker 1: big decreasing interceptions, and once that dynasty stock starts, you know,
Speaker 1: starts going up again, there won't be an utter buy
Speaker 1: window on Trevor Lawrence. So you have to get sunshine
Speaker 1: now or you're never getting them at all. Yeah, it fits.
Speaker 1: You know, we've talked about this before, Trevor Lawrence in
Speaker 1: this pedigree of you know, it was Trevor Lawrence was
Speaker 1: the best prospect since Andrew luck who was the best
Speaker 1: prospect since Peyton Manning. He was the best prospect since
Speaker 1: John Elway. Like he fits in that line coming out
Speaker 1: of college and specifically what he did in college, taking
Speaker 1: Glemson to a national title and winning it. And we
Speaker 1: didn't see any of that magic last year. Now, I
Speaker 1: and I think most other people have blamed urban Meyer fairly,
Speaker 1: holy and completely for this. Um. You know, Trevor has
Speaker 1: He's got a share of the blame for sure. He
Speaker 1: was not was not nearly as good as anybody thought.
Speaker 1: But I mean everything in Jackson was trash last year.
Speaker 1: So I think it's auditioned by subtraction getting rid of
Speaker 1: urban Meyer. You put any coach in there, I think
Speaker 1: he's gonna get better. But Doug Peterson has proven, I mean,
Speaker 1: made Carson Wentz look great, took Nick Foles to the
Speaker 1: Super Bowl and won it with him, So we should
Speaker 1: see significant improvement on Trevor. Lawrence correct John made a
Speaker 1: great point with Doug Peterson, who coaxed a near MVP
Speaker 1: season out of Carson Wentz in his second year in
Speaker 1: the league. And Wentz probably was the front runner for
Speaker 1: MVP before he tore his ACL against the Rams late
Speaker 1: in the season. And you know, I think he missed
Speaker 1: three games. Had he not missed those three, he probably
Speaker 1: you know, gets across the tape as the winner in
Speaker 1: the MVP race. And Doug Peterson got to the Super
Speaker 1: Bowl and won it with Nick Foles as his quarterback.
Speaker 1: So I mean, if there's someone to rehabilitate a quarterback
Speaker 1: who needs rehabilitation after your year with urban Meyer. Peterson
Speaker 1: is a really good candidate and man for all his
Speaker 1: struggles last year, Like Lawrence, like he just everyone's in
Speaker 1: I don't know, every half a dozen times in every
Speaker 1: game he would just like rip a throw where you'd
Speaker 1: be like, oh, yeah, there's there's the Clemson Trevor Lawrence.
Speaker 1: So like, I have no doubt it's there. I'm not
Speaker 1: too worried. I'm still confidently buying on him in Dynasty.
Speaker 1: I think the thing a lot of people forget about
Speaker 1: about Trevor Lawrence is his rushing ability. I mean it
Speaker 1: was pretty clear urban Meyer completely forgot about it last
Speaker 1: year or they didn't want him running because you know,
Speaker 1: he's the franchise and all that stuff. But that's garbage, Like,
Speaker 1: let this guy go out and play his way. If
Speaker 1: he's gonna if he's gonna make it, he's gonna have
Speaker 1: to do it his way, you know. So I think
Speaker 1: there's just so much more upside. I don't even know
Speaker 1: what the ceiling on Trevor Lawrence is. I know, if
Speaker 1: he puts up another dud year with Doug Peterson a
Speaker 1: lot of people are gonna be mad. I know that.
Speaker 1: So here's hoping that he has his big breakout this year.
Speaker 1: Who's your second breakout player here, Fitz, you're less obvious
Speaker 1: than your captain obvious one. Yeah, I'll go with Kadarius
Speaker 1: Tony and I'll throw him the caveat that. It's got
Speaker 1: to be with good health. Like I have no doubt
Speaker 1: he's going to break out this year if he has
Speaker 1: good health. And you know, I keep we have talked
Speaker 1: about this ad nauseam bogs the what this is your
Speaker 1: guy you're leading. I was so smitten based on weeks
Speaker 1: four and five last year when he had those games
Speaker 1: against the Saints and Cowboys. Six catches seventy eight yards
Speaker 1: against the Saints, ten catches one hundred and eighty nine
Speaker 1: against the Cowboys. But you know, only ten games last year,
Speaker 1: and it was all these different injuries ankle, quad, oblique, shoulder,
Speaker 1: Covid had misstime in training camp with a hamstring injury.
Speaker 1: The fear here and what could derail his career and
Speaker 1: prevent a breakout is that he's another Percy Harvin, you know,
Speaker 1: kind of used in the same type of role as
Speaker 1: this first little switch Swiss army knife like Comparis Campbell,
Speaker 1: Like there's been many of these guys. Yeah, yeah, he's
Speaker 1: because he's kind of interesting. Like he's this low average
Speaker 1: depth the target guy five point nine yards average depth
Speaker 1: the target is a rookie six point six throughout his
Speaker 1: college career, So he's real gadgety like Percy Harvin and
Speaker 1: like he does. I mean, I think he drew targets
Speaker 1: on the seventh highest percentage of his routes last year.
Speaker 1: So they want to get this guy the ball on
Speaker 1: these short little You just wonder, like if that kind
Speaker 1: of exposes him, those kind of receptions where he's getting
Speaker 1: the ball and there are tacklers around, like there's traffic.
Speaker 1: There are a lot of guys who can get shots
Speaker 1: at him. He's a slippery cat. But you know, I
Speaker 1: just wonder if he can maintain the health, if he
Speaker 1: can very optimistic. We see him breakout in twenty twenty two.
Speaker 1: I mean John Cadarius Tony not only athletic, but when
Speaker 1: you watch him, the number one thing is motor, motor, motor, motor, motor, motor,
Speaker 1: Like he's always trying to get that extra yard, trying
Speaker 1: to break that tackle, trying to stiff farm. You know,
Speaker 1: he's not a step out of bounce guy. He's not
Speaker 1: that guy at all, which could be concerning given his
Speaker 1: shorter stature stature, But I mean everything is there for
Speaker 1: a breakout. I just don't know, you know, I think
Speaker 1: this guy is gonna be fairly black and white, right
Speaker 1: He's either gonna be really good or he's gonna be
Speaker 1: a huge bust. Where do you sit on Cadarius Tony
Speaker 1: moving forward? Well, he's not run down, more like a
Speaker 1: do so it's not like terrible terrible, but you know,
Speaker 1: he has actually some the games that he exploded in
Speaker 1: last year. I mean he actually absolutely exploded in. So
Speaker 1: it's you're not getting it. Somebody who believed in, somebody
Speaker 1: who believe in Tony from the get go is not
Speaker 1: letting go him right now, especially in Dinas. You're gonna
Speaker 1: have to over over overpay to get him. And you know,
Speaker 1: he's probably going somewhere around wide receiver four. You know
Speaker 1: why I went the mid wide receiver four range something
Speaker 1: like that, But he could have I mean, he could
Speaker 1: easily be a high end wide receiver three, very easily.
Speaker 1: So I like him a lot. I'm not getting him anywhere,
Speaker 1: because I'm not overpaying to get him. For wide receivers
Speaker 1: are a diame a dozen, but if I had on
Speaker 1: my team, I'm not. I'm not getting rid of him
Speaker 1: for anything less than the premium that somebody wants to
Speaker 1: pay for him, or somebody will pay for him, I'll
Speaker 1: tell you that much. My second less obvious pick here
Speaker 1: is going to be Kenneth Walker, Ken Walker, Kenny Walker,
Speaker 1: I don't know what we're calling them, mister Walker from
Speaker 1: the Seattle Seahawks. The running back is going to be
Speaker 1: my less obvious And the only reason I feel like
Speaker 1: it's less obvious is number one, not too many people
Speaker 1: clamoring to take a shot at the Seattle offense Withdrew
Speaker 1: Locke at the helm. Number two, there are there seems
Speaker 1: to be camps growing about the Seattle running back situation.
Speaker 1: Whether it's you're the Rashad Penny guy. Because you look
Speaker 1: at Rashad Penny and you look at the PF numbers,
Speaker 1: the analytics, Penny was incredible last season. The elusive rating
Speaker 1: was crazy, the breakaway rating was crazy. He was awesome
Speaker 1: down the stretch. I don't believe at all that Rashad
Speaker 1: Penny is going to stay healthy even a little bit.
Speaker 1: I don't buy it. Just what we've seen in his career.
Speaker 1: A guy is constantly banged up, and Kenneth Walker is
Speaker 1: He's the guy. Twelve games last season. Five of those
Speaker 1: games in college, he had over twenty five touches. He
Speaker 1: had more than twenty touches in ten. He scored touchdowns
Speaker 1: in nine to twelve games. He led the country in
Speaker 1: yards after contact, miss tackles, forced breakaway yards. He was
Speaker 1: number two in breakaway yard percentage. So you know, just
Speaker 1: breaking those tackles and sprinting towards the end zone. This
Speaker 1: is what he does. And I know that there's a
Speaker 1: lot of concern about Kenneth Walker on the receiving end end,
Speaker 1: right you know, I think he had eighteen total catches
Speaker 1: in his collegiate career. He only had thirteen catches on
Speaker 1: sixteen targets last year. But I will submit this that
Speaker 1: his average up to target was behind the line. It
Speaker 1: was negative two yards, which is it's not something you
Speaker 1: want to see. Yards perception was six point eight, so
Speaker 1: he's getting almost ten yards a reception. So if you
Speaker 1: you know, if you sneak him out, you get him
Speaker 1: a catch near the line, he's almost getting you a
Speaker 1: first down every single time. Obviously, the level of competition
Speaker 1: is very different, but I just think with Drew Lock
Speaker 1: at the helm, you need to run the ball more.
Speaker 1: The Seattle Seahawks were dead last in the league last
Speaker 1: year in time of possession. How do you counteract that.
Speaker 1: You run the ball so you can run Penny and Walker.
Speaker 1: You keep that terrible defense on the sideline so when
Speaker 1: they have to come out, at least they have energy,
Speaker 1: at least they're not completely gassed from being the defense
Speaker 1: that's on the field more than any other defense. In
Speaker 1: the end, Fell and you run the ball first, which
Speaker 1: makes me a little concerned about, you know, Metcalf and
Speaker 1: Lock it overall, because I do think we're going to
Speaker 1: see a two headed monster. I just think that there's
Speaker 1: no doubt in my mind that Kenneth Walker is going
Speaker 1: to usurp rashod Penny very early, if not week one.
Speaker 1: So I know I've kind of beat Kenny Walker into
Speaker 1: the ground here over the last couple episodes. Fits, but
Speaker 1: you your thoughts Greek chorus here, Bogs. I mean, I
Speaker 1: totally agree. I only wish that he was as inexpensive
Speaker 1: in Dynasty as he is in redraft because he's really
Speaker 1: cheap in redraft right now, and you know, not so
Speaker 1: much in Dynasty where he was you know, typically the
Speaker 1: one oh two or one oh three in rookie draft.
Speaker 1: So totally agree. It will be interesting to see what
Speaker 1: happens if Penny does somehow stay healthy, like will Walker
Speaker 1: eventually overtake him on the merits Like, I think that
Speaker 1: could certainly happen. So totally agree with you. I'm very bullish, John.
Speaker 1: Would you think of Walker? Are you a team Walker,
Speaker 1: you team Penny or a team stay away from Seattle? Well,
Speaker 1: I think Gino Smith is going you said Drew Lock before,
Speaker 1: but I think Gino Smith is going to start the season.
Speaker 1: So that's it is very bad either way. It's good
Speaker 1: for the running game, and I think I think Penny
Speaker 1: is going to get the first crack at this at
Speaker 1: this offensive backfield. But again, like you guys, I'm just
Speaker 1: gonna echo what you guys said. It's I think Kenneth
Speaker 1: Walker is just going to run over Chard Penny and
Speaker 1: just take this job halfway through the season and not
Speaker 1: look back. It is a situation where Ken Walker is
Speaker 1: just a much better version of a running back in
Speaker 1: the NFL. I mean, he's gonna get probably two hundred
Speaker 1: fifty carries this year. It's he's getting not a pass catcher,
Speaker 1: but if you're looking at someone who is going to
Speaker 1: just run the ball, he's gonna get all the goal
Speaker 1: line carries. He's gonna get everything, everything, and he's gonna
Speaker 1: be three, you know, three rushers in the cloud of
Speaker 1: dirt the entire season because they don't have without a
Speaker 1: passing game, it's gonna they're gonna have to work through
Speaker 1: the run in defense, and they don't have much of
Speaker 1: a defense anymore. But he will get all the early
Speaker 1: down carries. Yeah, I'm I'm so excited about Walker. I'm
Speaker 1: snapping him up everywhere I possibly can. Let's do the
Speaker 1: last deep shots, and let's do these two at a
Speaker 1: time here, so John, you can start with year two
Speaker 1: and then we'll go over them, and then we'll get
Speaker 1: fits two and then my two to end it here.
Speaker 1: So give us your two deep shots. These are dart
Speaker 1: throws at the end of your draft. I mean, maybe
Speaker 1: you have a very deep draft and they wouldn't be
Speaker 1: dart throws, but for most leagues, these are gonna be
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take these guys, I'm gonna grab him and
Speaker 1: stash him. However you see it, Who are your two
Speaker 1: deep shots? All right? Well, my first deep shot it's
Speaker 1: you look at the Dallas Cowboys that chart, and remember
Speaker 1: that Americ Hooper is now in Cleveland, Cedric Wilson's in Miami,
Speaker 1: Michael Gale towards ECL late in twenty twenty one, So
Speaker 1: we'll probably start the year in the POP and it
Speaker 1: could possibly take even longer than the first three to
Speaker 1: four or six weeks for him to come back. So
Speaker 1: after Ceedee Lamb, Dalton Schultz, Tilbert's next competition for targets
Speaker 1: is Washington. So Jayleen Tilburt is you know, he played
Speaker 1: all over the field and he's an absolute beast. For
Speaker 1: the fifty one point two percent College Dominator rating, he
Speaker 1: had over thirty three percent target chair at South Alabama,
Speaker 1: tober It had ten catches for two hundred fifty two
Speaker 1: yards three touchdowns once in the game, you know, And
Speaker 1: I mean he's had five games with double digit receptions
Speaker 1: in college. His senior year alone, tilber It had eighty
Speaker 1: two receptions for almost fifteen hundred yards and eight touchdowns.
Speaker 1: He plays all over the field and he couldn't have
Speaker 1: lanned in a better spot than with the Cowboys, who
Speaker 1: run almost sixty eight percent officer of sixty eight officer
Speaker 1: plays a per game. So I'm absolutely pumped about Daaleen
Speaker 1: Tilburt's his rookie year and beyond. He could be a
Speaker 1: Fantasy monster. And you're one and you know he's a
Speaker 1: great deep shot. I you know, a player at one
Speaker 1: fifty six and Fantasy Pros consensus rankings that's almost around fourteen.
Speaker 1: Go get my boy, I mean in the startup because
Speaker 1: he's going I mean, he's gonna have an instantaneous opportunity
Speaker 1: at a wide receiver two situations. So my super deep shot.
Speaker 1: The Baltimore Ravens actually ran the most plays in the
Speaker 1: NFL last year. To talk about Dallas, but Baltimore ran
Speaker 1: the most and they lost a huge part of the
Speaker 1: passing game when Hollywood Brown that for Arizona, that at
Speaker 1: least are shot Bateman and a wide open, wide open
Speaker 1: spot for number two receivers in this offense. I know
Speaker 1: that what you're thinking. The team has Lamar Jackson running
Speaker 1: the ball and has got JK. Admins and Gus Edwards back.
Speaker 1: But the team that brought in Mike Davis and drafted
Speaker 1: Tyler Batty. That's it's a lot of running, it's a
Speaker 1: lot of carries for running backs. Well, they are also
Speaker 1: a team that averaged about three hundred, three hundred and
Speaker 1: eighty past tempts a year. That means that you take
Speaker 1: the one hundred and forty targets and Mark Andrews will
Speaker 1: probably get in one hundred and twenty targets at Bateman
Speaker 1: OC and that's one hundred and twenty targets left over.
Speaker 1: And Lamar is not known for dumble the balls. Who's
Speaker 1: running backs. He's more he hits the wide receivers. Prochet
Speaker 1: had three hundred receptions for four thousand about four thousand
Speaker 1: yards of forty touchdowns at MSU. This guy just smells
Speaker 1: like a year three breakout, you know if if your
Speaker 1: league gives points for special teams. He also contributes a
Speaker 1: kickoff and putter returns. He has no injury history history,
Speaker 1: and it's already been rumored to be taking over the
Speaker 1: number two spot in his fast paced Ravens offense. Prochet
Speaker 1: ranked number I receiver one forty five according to the the
Speaker 1: latest Expert con Consensus rankies. A Fantasy pros I mean
Speaker 1: you can wait to the middle of round thirty sixty
Speaker 1: your dynasty start out to get him. It's mine only
Speaker 1: twenty five or thirty Yeah, most don't have around thirty six, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm grabbing Proche in my in my draft and gambling
Speaker 1: on his getting fifty five reception six hundred yards or
Speaker 1: three or four touchdowns, which who knows what his dynasty
Speaker 1: future holds if he ex sees that those expectations. Yeah, look,
Speaker 1: I like both these calls. I'm you know, just completely biased,
Speaker 1: more of a Duverney guy than a James Prochet guy.
Speaker 1: I just you know, that's all biased, that's all Texas. So.
Speaker 1: But um, I've been talking up Jalen Tilbert, you know,
Speaker 1: since before the draft, and you know what, what you'll
Speaker 1: hear a lot of people say is well, the NFL
Speaker 1: is way different than the Sun Belt. And that's what
Speaker 1: you hear from from the college dominator in the target
Speaker 1: share and all that stuff. I get it. I think
Speaker 1: that Tilbert is already a better white out than Michael Gallup.
Speaker 1: And I was a Michael Gallup guy when he came
Speaker 1: into the NFL. So I am absolutely taking my last
Speaker 1: pick in most of my drafts. It's gonna be Tilbert
Speaker 1: all over the place. So we are some poticou in
Speaker 1: that John fits your thoughts on Tilbert and James Brochet. Yeah,
Speaker 1: bugs h, you know I can't steal your thunder on Tilbert.
Speaker 1: I know you were the big advocate and I'm more
Speaker 1: agnostic on him, but I do love the situation for
Speaker 1: him and getting that extended runway with Gallup gonna certain
Speaker 1: amisstime early in the season, so um, you know they're
Speaker 1: definitely in need of a secondary wide receiver. So um yeah.
Speaker 1: Like and um oh, who was John Brochet? Oh Proche?
Speaker 1: There's been a lot of buzz about him in OTA's
Speaker 1: Um yeah, yeah. I kind of thought Duburne would be
Speaker 1: the leading candidate, but it seems like Prochet is getting
Speaker 1: more buzzed. So he's one to watch for sure in
Speaker 1: training cap So who are your two deep shots that
Speaker 1: you're taking? Fit, see who's it gonna be? All right, bugs,
Speaker 1: I gotta throw in a tight end and I don't
Speaker 1: know if he's deep enough. Adam Troutman, Like we've talked
Speaker 1: about him, like, he's not a guy who's getting passed
Speaker 1: over in dynasty startups. People are taking Troutman, of course,
Speaker 1: but just I don't want like Dalton Scholtz. I want
Speaker 1: the next Dalton Scholtz, you know, and like Troutman's a
Speaker 1: guy you can still get as a throw in a trade,
Speaker 1: and I like that. He was a prolific producer in college,
Speaker 1: granted at a smaller program. He's from Dayton. He's Dayton's
Speaker 1: all time leading pass catcher with one hundred and seventy
Speaker 1: one receptions the final year seventy catches, nine hundred and
Speaker 1: sixteen yards, fourteen touchdowns. Finished his career with one hundred
Speaker 1: and seventy one catches, as I mentioned in thirty one touchdowns,
Speaker 1: so ninety seventh percentile college Dominator rating. And he goes
Speaker 1: in as the number one tight end in the Saints.
Speaker 1: I mean, we know Taysom Hill is also in the
Speaker 1: depth chart as a tight end, but you know that's
Speaker 1: gonna be gadgety usage and not all tight end usage.
Speaker 1: So also you're gunner and potentially returner and your backup
Speaker 1: quarterback like so um, you know, I just think there's
Speaker 1: an opening for Troutman to come through this year. I
Speaker 1: know he was you know, people loved him. If the
Speaker 1: senior ball had that prolific college career. I think he's
Speaker 1: a good candidate, but if we want to go deeper,
Speaker 1: I was on a podcast with Leroy Butler Incoming Hall
Speaker 1: of Famers Green Bay Packers last weekend, and h Leroy
Speaker 1: Butler was touting Tyler Davis, who's like the fourth string Packer,
Speaker 1: like totally un rostered in all dynasty leagues. The Leroy
Speaker 1: is like mister Packer and he knows, like I mean,
Speaker 1: he has deep ties to that organization. And if he's
Speaker 1: talking about Tyler Davis, someone in the Packers organization likes
Speaker 1: Tyler Davis. I just wanted to throw that name out there.
Speaker 1: And my other guy Bogs is Khalil Shakier. Uh. You
Speaker 1: know he is to me what Jalen Tilbert is to you.
Speaker 1: Just a guy really embraced in this class um, you know,
Speaker 1: just ultra competitive coaches dream type, the guy who is
Speaker 1: going to give you, you know, every last drop of
Speaker 1: effort and was prolificate at Boise State, like sixty three
Speaker 1: catches as a sophomore, one hundred and ninety two catches
Speaker 1: over his last three years on the smurf turf short
Speaker 1: arms bought pretty good speed four point four three eighty
Speaker 1: second percentile burst score. Probably going to be used as
Speaker 1: a slot guy, but I think you mentioned Bogs that
Speaker 1: he could be used outside two anywhere. Yeah, and people
Speaker 1: are and he's great after the catch, but people are
Speaker 1: kind of giving this role to Jamison Crowder. Isaah, McKenzie's
Speaker 1: there too, but he's tiny, man, And like, I just
Speaker 1: don't know, is are we sure Jamison Crowder is better
Speaker 1: right now than Khalil's Shakira is. Like, I wouldn't be
Speaker 1: surprised if Shakier made a big move and a big
Speaker 1: push for that job in training camp. Yeah, I understand
Speaker 1: that for sure, you know, because it's a whole you know, Yes,
Speaker 1: Jamison Crowder is the VET, but you draft Shakire for
Speaker 1: a reason, so you let these guys fight it out.
Speaker 1: I like McKenzie, but I don't think McKenzie is anywhere
Speaker 1: close to earning that role over either of those guys. John,
Speaker 1: your thoughts here on Troutman and Shaqure, What do you
Speaker 1: think of those two? I can't I can't do a
Speaker 1: podcast without mentioning Jameis Winston. So that's just kind of
Speaker 1: my thing. He's my favorite guy in the NFL. So
Speaker 1: I think Jamis is going to use Adam Traubman in
Speaker 1: a special way. I love I love Adam Traubman. I
Speaker 1: love that pick. I love everything about it, and you know,
Speaker 1: like you're Shakire is another one I drafted. I just
Speaker 1: drafted this year. You know, as a decent flyer. He
Speaker 1: maybe he will be the he will be the player
Speaker 1: that to own over Isaiah McKenzie. I like McKenzie too,
Speaker 1: but that's just my love of some of my players
Speaker 1: that I think could have broken out. I think McKenzie
Speaker 1: has already shown what he is and that's just going
Speaker 1: to open the door for Shakure. Those are both players.
Speaker 1: I love both of those picks. As a matter of fact,
Speaker 1: the Troutman pick was my favorite one of his entire show. Yeah, Troutman.
Speaker 1: I've been on the Troutman thing forever as well as Fits.
Speaker 1: We've talked about him multiple times in this show, so
Speaker 1: I won't. I don't need to gush anymore about Troutman
Speaker 1: than I already had. Shaquir The one thing that concerns
Speaker 1: me about Shakier is I do think that by the
Speaker 1: end of the year he is the slot guy moving
Speaker 1: forward for Buffalo, But Crowder is the vet, and that's
Speaker 1: hard for those young guys to win the job over
Speaker 1: the Vet early. So I think Crowder will start with
Speaker 1: that role, but I think by the end of the year,
Speaker 1: Shakier is the guy there. Yeah. Along along that, you know,
Speaker 1: they did kind of suppress the Gabriel Davis usage so
Speaker 1: they could play Emmanuel Sanders right and clearly pretty close
Speaker 1: to Yeah, so we've already kind of seen that from
Speaker 1: this organization a little bit. You might be right about that.
Speaker 1: Here are my two, and y'all can get ready to
Speaker 1: cringe here. My first one is Deonta Foreman, and last season,
Speaker 1: you know, look, he tores Achilles. He was with Houston,
Speaker 1: he tores Achilles, fell out of favor with the coaches there.
Speaker 1: Just it didn't add up. Last year, he's a free agent,
Speaker 1: you know, hanging out. I think he might have started
Speaker 1: with the coltson got cut, but he ended up in
Speaker 1: Tennessee after Derrick Henry got hurt. And he looked great
Speaker 1: at the end. He played in I think it was
Speaker 1: ten games, and in the games that he had over
Speaker 1: ten touches, he averaged thirteen point eight three points per game.
Speaker 1: This is in PPR for a guy that doesn't he's
Speaker 1: not going to be known to catch the football. He's
Speaker 1: a big back. He's a north south runner, So that
Speaker 1: would have been thirteen point eight three points per game,
Speaker 1: would have been good for RB twenty three last season,
Speaker 1: so a low end RB two. Christian McCaffrey has had
Speaker 1: injury issues. Deontay Foreman obviously backing him up now, and
Speaker 1: Deontay Foreman just makes people miss. Whether he's not shifty,
Speaker 1: but he'll run a dude over. He had more miss
Speaker 1: tackles forced than Cordell Patterson, Miles Sanders, Zeke sa Quon
Speaker 1: ch Gerald Henderson, Chase Edmonds, and many others that I'm
Speaker 1: just not putting on this roster. And he only played
Speaker 1: ten games last year. So if Christian McCaffrey gets hurt,
Speaker 1: Deontay Foreman is your handcuffs. So that's if you if
Speaker 1: you're rostering CMC, you need Foreman. I would just throw
Speaker 1: that out there just in any basically, and you know,
Speaker 1: if they are serious about ratching back CMC's touches, all
Speaker 1: we need is ten from forming a game, so for
Speaker 1: him to be somewhat viable here, So I'm excited about him.
Speaker 1: The other one is a real deep shot shout out
Speaker 1: to Debro for pointing this guy out. And you know,
Speaker 1: I've liked him a lot. I didn't like that he
Speaker 1: was at A and m liked way more when he
Speaker 1: transferred over to Florida State, of course as a Texas fan.
Speaker 1: But Sean Corbyn, he's an undrafted free agent going to
Speaker 1: the New York Giants, who they're looking for anybody behind
Speaker 1: Barkley right now. The options are Matt Brita and Gary
Speaker 1: Brightwell and a couple other practice squad guys. So Corbin
Speaker 1: he's a four star, top ten running back recruit that
Speaker 1: went to an M He ended up at Florida State
Speaker 1: transferring and he played behind some brutal offensive lines there
Speaker 1: and some rough quarterback play. His relative athletics score was
Speaker 1: firmly average, but his tangibles are good, vision, pass catching ability,
Speaker 1: has some special teams experience as well, returning kicks and punts.
Speaker 1: So I think Corbin makes this roster for the Giants,
Speaker 1: and you know there's just potential there. Barkley has had
Speaker 1: some jury issues. We saw DeVante Booker put up some
Speaker 1: decent numbers for the Giants when Barkley went down, So
Speaker 1: I think just in terms of taking a flyer on
Speaker 1: a guy. There's worse options than Corbyn out there, especially
Speaker 1: for Udface. That's my super deep shot. So Foreman and Corbin,
Speaker 1: what do you think of those two fits? Yeah, I'll
Speaker 1: have to watch the Giants preseason on Corbyn because I'm
Speaker 1: not very familiar with him at all, but it will
Speaker 1: be you know, he's gonna get a guy who's gonna
Speaker 1: get some run in those first couple of preseason games.
Speaker 1: So um, I'll save my judgment for then. And um,
Speaker 1: who is your other guy, bogs Foreman focusing oh Deonta
Speaker 1: of course your Texas homerism. Yeah, putting that aside, I mean,
Speaker 1: it's nice to see him. It's nice to see him
Speaker 1: get his day in the sun after that Achilles injury,
Speaker 1: which you know has been a career wrecker for so
Speaker 1: many running backs, but maybe not anymore. I mean, he
Speaker 1: came back from it. Cam Acres came back from it.
Speaker 1: Like you said, he's not going to catch many passes,
Speaker 1: so um, maybe there is a certain ceiling for him
Speaker 1: in Dynasty where it's everything's PPR. But I agree, man,
Speaker 1: if if you've got CMC, you've got to go out
Speaker 1: and get this guy because he is a pretty clear Handcuff,
Speaker 1: I think, well, what do you think of those two
Speaker 1: john the deep shots here of Foreman and Corbin? What happen?
Speaker 1: What happened to chu? Be Hubbard? Uh? What che Hubbard?
Speaker 1: Last year's show? How good he is? And it's not
Speaker 1: very I still like to Behobbard a little bit, a
Speaker 1: little bit more than beyond to Foreman. But that's that's
Speaker 1: just me. You know, we all can agree on the show.
Speaker 1: You you know, that's it is what it is. But uh,
Speaker 1: Foreman's a talented back. As a matter of fact, I've
Speaker 1: seen him ranked over Hubbard in a lot of places.
Speaker 1: So it is what it is. I me my home
Speaker 1: rhythm and what what happens in real life sometimes are
Speaker 1: completely different. So but your your Corban call, I think
Speaker 1: it's great. Like you said, Deebo, I heard that that episode.
Speaker 1: I love everything you guys put out of Fantasy Pros,
Speaker 1: but I listened to. Corban is someone who I try
Speaker 1: to get like Deep, I get Snipes in the last
Speaker 1: round picking up Corman. He is someone that I think
Speaker 1: if something happened to Bartley, he is I think he's
Speaker 1: next in line for the running back position, and Bartley
Speaker 1: has not been to help these the running backs the
Speaker 1: last couple of years, as we all know. And if
Speaker 1: that offense goes to the running game, it's Josh Corbyn
Speaker 1: could be a humongous late round pick. So that's a human.
Speaker 1: That's a great call. Thank you. Yeah. Yeah, And like
Speaker 1: I said, shout out to Debro we were playing, you know,
Speaker 1: Jerry and Elie I wanted to put on this list.
Speaker 1: Justin Ross, who a lot of people love, obviously has
Speaker 1: some medical stuff we want to put on this list.
Speaker 1: There are you know, John and I talked before the show,
Speaker 1: and I'm sure Fitz was right there too. I switched
Speaker 1: my deep shot guys like six times. You know, I
Speaker 1: changed both of them multiple times to say, okay, I
Speaker 1: talk to myself in and out of many players here,
Speaker 1: but those are the two I said a lonny. Yes,
Speaker 1: there is Texas Homerism in there, of course, But I mean,
Speaker 1: first rule fantasy is you're having fun, right, I mean,
Speaker 1: come on, you know you play to enjoy it, and
Speaker 1: I like watching players that I enjoy watching play, so
Speaker 1: Foreman of course has to be on this list. For
Speaker 1: For me, I'm an unapologetic you know, form and supporter
Speaker 1: for sure, But that is going to wrap it up
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