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Speaker 1: f f Fitzy. How was Canton Man? You just spent
Speaker 1: a full weekend, you know, getting a liver transplant according
Speaker 1: to the Welsh, of course, So how was that? It
Speaker 1: looked like you had a great time there. I did, Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I just made a joke on your show about
Speaker 1: needing a liver transplant, and your co host thought I
Speaker 1: was possibly serious about that and was getting one later
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Speaker 1: I did feel like I needed one after I left,
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Speaker 1: first as the guests. What is the biggest This could
Speaker 1: be positive, it could be negative, however you want to
Speaker 1: look at it. What is the biggest preseason story you
Speaker 1: want to dive into here? Yeah, thanks for letting me
Speaker 1: kick it off here. I'm gonna start with Traylon Burks.
Speaker 1: He's been a pretty hot name throughout the entire offseason really,
Speaker 1: since he was selected by the Titans with the pick
Speaker 1: that they traded A. J. Brown for many viewed him
Speaker 1: as a really plug and play replacement to A. J. Brown.
Speaker 1: He drew some comparisons there in the pre draft process
Speaker 1: and beyond. But you know, we went through the off
Speaker 1: season with some asthma issues leaving practice, whether he was
Speaker 1: banged up or looking for his inhaler failing you know,
Speaker 1: conditioning tests, and we know Mike Vrabel is a pretty
Speaker 1: hard nosed, tough minded coach, so kind of questioning how
Speaker 1: he's going to deal with this stuff. We get into
Speaker 1: the first preseason game and Traylon Burks is not only
Speaker 1: playing behind Robert Woods and Nick Westbrook Akene who sat
Speaker 1: the game out, but he's also playing behind Des Fitzpatrick
Speaker 1: remember him from last year, Racy McMath, which is a
Speaker 1: real name, and Kyle Phillips, who's a fellow rookie playing
Speaker 1: out of the slot. So all of those guys are
Speaker 1: playing in front of Burke's He didn't even play until
Speaker 1: the third drive and he played into the fourth quarters,
Speaker 1: So really, you know, on the surface, it's very concerning
Speaker 1: dig a little deeper. I watched a lot of the
Speaker 1: game tape, watched his routes that he ran. He was
Speaker 1: open on some plays. Uh, you know, I guess that's
Speaker 1: the issue of playing with a rookie quarterback. He was
Speaker 1: open for what should have been a sixty plus down
Speaker 1: touchdown downfield. He ran some nice routes, finding soft spots
Speaker 1: in the in the you know, zone defense, things like that,
Speaker 1: And I thought he was pretty sharp on his routes,
Speaker 1: which was kind of an issue coming in, right. He
Speaker 1: was this guy that cut a lot of manufactured touches,
Speaker 1: so I thought it was really good to see those
Speaker 1: routes from him. After the game, Rabel had some quotes saying,
Speaker 1: you know, he was inconsistent and we need him to
Speaker 1: transfer the things he's doing in practice over to the games.
Speaker 1: I think Rabel's being a little tough on him, you know,
Speaker 1: trying to push him a little bit. That's kind of
Speaker 1: variable style. So for me, you know, it's kind of
Speaker 1: been a roller coaster with this guy, right, and for me,
Speaker 1: it's like, Okay, this reiterates we probably have to be
Speaker 1: patient with him. He's not going to replace aj Brown's
Speaker 1: production from day one. At the same time, I think
Speaker 1: he's doing some nice things, and Variable is really pushing him,
Speaker 1: believe because he believes he can get, you know, to
Speaker 1: that wide receiver one level. So I think in Dynasty,
Speaker 1: after all this, people are moving him up, moving him down.
Speaker 1: I think we're kind of back to where we started.
Speaker 1: Maybe not quite that much hype, but really in the
Speaker 1: pre draft process, I think we're back to where we
Speaker 1: started with Treylon Burks. Personally, Yeah, I love Treylon Burks.
Speaker 1: Fitz knows that I've been talking about him a lot.
Speaker 1: I've drafted him in many drafts as well, and it's
Speaker 1: funny the difference in Dynasty. Of course, he's going to
Speaker 1: be higher in Dynasty, but he's twenty six and in
Speaker 1: Redraft he's forty five, so obviously a wide gap. People
Speaker 1: believe in him, but maybe not this year. Rookie years
Speaker 1: can be tough on whiteouts, but it's funny. Fitzie and
Speaker 1: I were just talking about Mike Vrabel and like his
Speaker 1: harsh comments about Malik Willis too. He is not an
Speaker 1: Ada boy coach. He's a well you're supposed to do
Speaker 1: it right the first time coach, very hard nosed. But
Speaker 1: I'm in on Trey Lamp Burks, and I think that
Speaker 1: this is more of a you miss mini camp, you
Speaker 1: miss part of training camp because you know you weren't
Speaker 1: conditioned correctly, so you need reps. And I think that's
Speaker 1: why I believe it was Freedman. You know, I apologize
Speaker 1: for five mistaken and read so much stuff, but I
Speaker 1: believe it was Freedman that said that the last rookie
Speaker 1: wide receiver taken in the first or second round to
Speaker 1: play this many snaps in his first preseason game was
Speaker 1: Terry McLaurin over the last and he's the only other
Speaker 1: one that played thirty or more snaps in the last decade,
Speaker 1: So it's not It's not something we see from these
Speaker 1: first round wide receivers a lot fits. What do you
Speaker 1: think about Trey lamp Burks? Are you do you not
Speaker 1: like this step chart stuff for this season and beyond
Speaker 1: or do you think, hey, he's a rookie, he raps,
Speaker 1: Who cares, It's just Mike rabe Will being a hard
Speaker 1: nosed guy. No, man, I'm fine with it. Maybe it's
Speaker 1: a buying opportunity and redraft in Dynasty, I would hope
Speaker 1: that no one would be motivated to sell based on
Speaker 1: what we've seen so far, you wouldn't think so. Dynasty
Speaker 1: owners are usually smarter than that. And I know I
Speaker 1: was elated when Burkes fell to me my home Dynasty
Speaker 1: League at one to eleven, and you know, I just
Speaker 1: thought I got a tremendous deal. And with everything that's
Speaker 1: gone on with this, like, I'd still be delighted to
Speaker 1: get him at one to eleven. Like, I think he's
Speaker 1: gonna be good. I think he's just a beast physically.
Speaker 1: We know he has that kind of Deebo Samuel game
Speaker 1: where he is just like, you know, a bully and
Speaker 1: really tough after the catch. I'm not down on him
Speaker 1: at all. And you know, like Chad said, like there
Speaker 1: were times when he was open in that game and
Speaker 1: Maliks just couldn't look at all. Well, yeah, looking to
Speaker 1: pull it down and run. And as you said, Bogs
Speaker 1: like he got chass dies for that from Rabel. So
Speaker 1: but what is it? Vrabel? Is it Malik Wills, isn't
Speaker 1: throwing the ball enough? Or is Treylon Burks inconsistent? Come on,
Speaker 1: you can't make fun of everybody here, right, come on,
Speaker 1: let's get after it. You know, can I add one
Speaker 1: more thing? There's a lot of talk about Kyle Phillips
Speaker 1: as well, and I get it right, he's playing ahead
Speaker 1: of Treylon Burks right now, but they really play a
Speaker 1: different position, right. Kyle Phillips is a slot player who's
Speaker 1: never going to play the role that they want Traylon
Speaker 1: Burks to play and vice versus. So you know, I'd
Speaker 1: be more concerned if they threw Treylon Burks out there,
Speaker 1: you know, in the Kyle Phillips role and just didn't
Speaker 1: ask him to do much. So I'd rather him be
Speaker 1: getting that work on the outside. It's really two entirely
Speaker 1: different positions. Absolutely. Look, Racy McMath make a little noise
Speaker 1: in camp here too, mainly a special teams guy out
Speaker 1: of LSU, but has been doing pretty well here. Uh fitz,
Speaker 1: who what is the big preseason story that you want
Speaker 1: to talk about here? I'm sort of cheating because this
Speaker 1: is apply to anything on the field, but the Buccaneers
Speaker 1: saga with Tom Brady and the leave of absence that
Speaker 1: was supposedly sanctioned by the team well in advance, but
Speaker 1: you know, I wonder if they knew that this was
Speaker 1: going to be happening, that he was going to get
Speaker 1: the scheduled downtime that you don't think they would have
Speaker 1: maybe given the media heads up, so there wasn't a
Speaker 1: wildfire of speculation as soon as he was away from camp.
Speaker 1: And then they come out and say, oh, this was
Speaker 1: all pre planned, Like something really smells funny here. And
Speaker 1: would it be a shock if a guy who's about
Speaker 1: to be the first quarterback ever to make a start
Speaker 1: in the Super Bowl era at age forty five and
Speaker 1: had already announced his retirement in the off season, Like
Speaker 1: if he just chose to walk away, especially after Rob
Speaker 1: Gronkowski retired, especially after you know, losing both of his
Speaker 1: starting guards and then his starting center suffers a major
Speaker 1: knee injury. Like there's just something really funny here, and
Speaker 1: it affects the value of Leonard Fournett's and Godwin and
Speaker 1: Godwin and yeah and all that for this year, which
Speaker 1: which matters for dynasty. I mean obviously, like this year's important.
Speaker 1: We're not looking a long term but like Fournette is
Speaker 1: already kind of past the age curve, how many productive
Speaker 1: years does he have left? And if if Brady being gone,
Speaker 1: like part of Fournette's value last year was that Brady
Speaker 1: was a dump off machine. If Brady's not there, it's
Speaker 1: gonna look a lot different. Um, So, like we got
Speaker 1: to watch this situation. I think this is like the
Speaker 1: big headliner right now of the preseason. What do you
Speaker 1: think Jetty got your tinfoil hat on here for? Maybe
Speaker 1: it's Tom brady retirement season. We stranger things have happened.
Speaker 1: A forty five year old retiring after, you know, playing
Speaker 1: a couple weeks of training camp and realizing he doesn't
Speaker 1: have the fire anymore would wouldn't be the most surprising thing.
Speaker 1: But you know, he retired to get Bruce Arians out
Speaker 1: of Tampa Bay. It seems like he did that and
Speaker 1: now he's not going to play. I don't know, man,
Speaker 1: I think he would look pretty pretty bad for that
Speaker 1: whole scenario. What do you think of Brady and him
Speaker 1: being away from the team right now? Yeah? I love
Speaker 1: the tinfoil hat. Trust me. I had it on when
Speaker 1: Brady did retire the first time, and I felt like
Speaker 1: he wanted to go to San Francisco and he was
Speaker 1: trying to play this retirement game to get there. So
Speaker 1: I've had it on with Brady before, but I've taken
Speaker 1: it off and I'm not putting it back on because
Speaker 1: I just think this. You know, they said it was
Speaker 1: it was pre planned. You know, I don't know if
Speaker 1: that's true or not. But to me, like you said,
Speaker 1: just why would he do that? He would look very
Speaker 1: bad if he did that. And the Bucks offense, I mean,
Speaker 1: he got what he want, right, he has control of
Speaker 1: that offense. Todd Bowles is the head coach. He really
Speaker 1: got what he wanted. And you know, other than Gronk retiring,
Speaker 1: you know, he's got all of his weapons still there.
Speaker 1: It's not like the team, you know, a bunch of turnovers,
Speaker 1: so I really can't see it. And frankly, if people
Speaker 1: are willing to pass on, you know, some of those weapons.
Speaker 1: I actually just drafted Chris Godwin in like the seventh
Speaker 1: round of a redraft league, and I mean I'll take
Speaker 1: that all day, honestly. Yeah. Yeah, I like Godwin too.
Speaker 1: I mean I like Godwin way more with Tom Brady
Speaker 1: than Kyle Trask or Jimmy g You know, I guess
Speaker 1: it could still be in that scenario. I've heard there's
Speaker 1: maybe some Mason Rudolph rumblings as well to get traded
Speaker 1: from Pittsburgh because Picket and Trubisky both look so good
Speaker 1: in the preseason game. I'm gonna Seattle, so let's pump
Speaker 1: our brakes there, right, But you know there's a possibility
Speaker 1: everyone would have to get lowered a little bit. I
Speaker 1: don't think we'd have to, uh, you know, destroy value
Speaker 1: on everybody. But I'm I'm you know, I'm not a
Speaker 1: Fournett hater like fitz is, so I I think I
Speaker 1: would keep Fournette right where I got him, because the
Speaker 1: offense runs through Fournett if Brady retires, because they ain't
Speaker 1: gonna run through Trask. We know that, so we'll see.
Speaker 1: But that's an argument for if that happens. You guys
Speaker 1: know what my number one subject here is, And of
Speaker 1: course it's gonna be George Pickens, the best wide receiver
Speaker 1: that has ever lived. Of course, just doing amazing in camp,
Speaker 1: doing amazing in the preseason game. Great touchdown from and
Speaker 1: I begrudgingly admit because you know, I'm a Steelers fan
Speaker 1: that doesn't like Mason Rudolph that much, But that was
Speaker 1: a dime throw from Mason Rudolph that was perfect and
Speaker 1: an even better catch by Pickens to keep those feet in.
Speaker 1: But he just torched Mica Fitzpatrick in practice today, and
Speaker 1: he's making highlight catches every single day out there. Currently
Speaker 1: in Dynasty ECR, Pickens is wide receiver. I believe it's
Speaker 1: forty yeah, forty five, So he is one spot below Claypool.
Speaker 1: Interesting these guys, he's right behind He's behind Claypool, Dots
Speaker 1: and Juju and Michael Thomas, just ahead of Tony Renfroe,
Speaker 1: Lockett and Watson. I mean, do we need to move
Speaker 1: this arrow on Pickens way higher up or do you think, Look,
Speaker 1: he's great, but there's a lot of good wide receivers
Speaker 1: out there. It's it's tough to move him over guys
Speaker 1: like Juju and Sky Moore and guys like that. What
Speaker 1: do you think about Pickens chat, Yeah, I'm moving him
Speaker 1: up for sure. He's looked great. And one of the
Speaker 1: biggest things I look for in preseason isn't necessarily the production,
Speaker 1: although that's nice. It's really just watching these guys and
Speaker 1: seeing if they look like they belong right. And Pickens just,
Speaker 1: I mean, he just looked like a part of you know,
Speaker 1: one of the great wide receivers in the NFL today.
Speaker 1: We know his story for why he fell down the draft.
Speaker 1: He ended up in a situation a franchise as you
Speaker 1: know That's has a history of developing wide receivers, right,
Speaker 1: My only question is what's going to happen to the
Speaker 1: rest of this group, because I don't know if Trubisky
Speaker 1: or Pickett can support all three of those wide receivers
Speaker 1: along with I think Pat Fryarmuth and Naji Harris are
Speaker 1: going to get targets too. So that's my question with
Speaker 1: it is how does that shake up shake out? But
Speaker 1: the ceiling is so high for this guy that I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm playing for ceiling in most of these leagues, right,
Speaker 1: so I really want to take a shot on a
Speaker 1: rookie that has that type of adp over you know,
Speaker 1: probably even over Claypool, who took a step back in
Speaker 1: year two. Yeah, and and fits you know by talking
Speaker 1: to me every single week here, I'm not the biggest
Speaker 1: Claypool guy either. So I've got Pickens already ahead of Claypool.
Speaker 1: I won't put him ahead of Dante, not coming off
Speaker 1: of a hundred reception season quite yeah, especially after he
Speaker 1: got his money and he's happy now. But Pickins Aro
Speaker 1: definitely pointing up right, Fits. I am due for a
Speaker 1: Dynasty ranking sweep, and I'm going to move Pickens ahead
Speaker 1: of Claypool for sure, And boy, as nice as that
Speaker 1: touchdown catch was, I was just as impressed by that
Speaker 1: him just barreling over that Seattle cornerback on that run
Speaker 1: block where he just fired out his hands like a
Speaker 1: three hundred and thirty pound guard and knock that guy
Speaker 1: ass over tea kettle. That was like impressive. So this
Speaker 1: guy's got a competitive fire and it's gonna be really
Speaker 1: interesting to see how targets are allotted this year. I
Speaker 1: don't think Deontay Johnson is going to finish with one
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty targets one hundred and sixty targets, like
Speaker 1: it's gonna be more evenly dispersed. I think they got
Speaker 1: to get this guy on the field often, and we
Speaker 1: know that at times Tomlin has shown displeasure with both
Speaker 1: Claypool and Deontay Johnson, like we've seen Deontay get bench
Speaker 1: from drops h. Claypool obviously has had some on field
Speaker 1: maturity issues. So yeah, I'm excited about Pickens for sure.
Speaker 1: Like he's a dynasty guy. I did not get him
Speaker 1: in an off rookie drafts, like I don't know if
Speaker 1: I got him in one, and I'm now very upset
Speaker 1: about it, and you know, might have to overpay to
Speaker 1: get him on at least one dynasty roster. There's so
Speaker 1: many good wide receivers in this class, and there's so
Speaker 1: many wide receivers just in fantasy football, So I'm definitely
Speaker 1: excited about pickins. Chad, What is the number two story
Speaker 1: for you this preseason? And I see this on the
Speaker 1: sheet and I left it for somebody, So I'm glad
Speaker 1: you picked it up and ran with it. Yeah. Antonio Gibson,
Speaker 1: who is this guy? Right? What's his role going to
Speaker 1: be with the Commanders? We saw in the first preseason
Speaker 1: game he fumbles, they bring in Brian Robinson and he
Speaker 1: kind of runs wild. Right. He had a great game.
Speaker 1: I think he had what sixty sixty some yards in
Speaker 1: a touchdown. We know that JD. McKissick is getting that
Speaker 1: third down work. We've heard whispers that Robinson is going
Speaker 1: to get a lot of the goal line work. So
Speaker 1: what does that leave for Gibson. If mckissick's you know,
Speaker 1: the past catching back and Robinson is getting a lot
Speaker 1: of that goal line work and probably mixing in some
Speaker 1: on early downs, that just leaves some kind of meaningless
Speaker 1: between the twenties touches, right, and for fantasy football, those
Speaker 1: are the least valuable touches. I thought Antonio Gibson made
Speaker 1: a lot of progress late last year. I thought looked
Speaker 1: really good when he kind of seemed to get healthy.
Speaker 1: So that was really encouraging. And knowing that JD. McKissick
Speaker 1: was going to be a free agent, I did have
Speaker 1: some high hopes for Antonio Gibson. We know the skill set, right,
Speaker 1: if he can just put it all together. He's only
Speaker 1: been playing running back for a few years, but fumbles
Speaker 1: have been an issue, right, and so the fact that
Speaker 1: he was yanked out of the game, even if it
Speaker 1: is preseason, right after a fumble Robinson goes in plays
Speaker 1: very well. I think we have to be alarmed with Gibson.
Speaker 1: I don't know, you know what his value is on well.
Speaker 1: I do know. I've been trying to trade him for
Speaker 1: a few weeks in the one league. I have him,
Speaker 1: and I can't get him off my roster, so he
Speaker 1: doesn't have much trade value. But you know, I really
Speaker 1: don't know if somebody were to trade for him, I
Speaker 1: don't know what the correct prices honestly, But let me
Speaker 1: ask you this real quick Antono Gibson currently in Dynasty
Speaker 1: ECR running Back nineteen, A couple guys below him. Let
Speaker 1: me just ask you, would you take Gibson or take
Speaker 1: AJ Dillon? AJ Dillon? How David Montgomery is questions about him?
Speaker 1: We'll talk about him a little bit later too. Don't
Speaker 1: love Montgomery, but I would take Montgomery. What about James Connor?
Speaker 1: James Connor man, all right, So so you're pretty you're
Speaker 1: pretty low on Gibson. And the thing here is this
Speaker 1: is hard to figure out because I want this story
Speaker 1: to kind of go away, like because Gibson is the
Speaker 1: best running back on this team. And I love Brian Robinson.
Speaker 1: I've been beating the Brian Robinson drum all off season.
Speaker 1: I love him. I know Friedman likes him too. I
Speaker 1: think I've talked Patten to him a little bit as well,
Speaker 1: even though Pat was probably already decently high, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: this is a three down back, so he can be
Speaker 1: the guy. But Gibson is still better than him. Like
Speaker 1: as much as I love Brian Robinson, Gibson still better
Speaker 1: than him. I think mckissic is kind of the odd
Speaker 1: man out eventually here. But today, as we're recording this
Speaker 1: Antonio Gibson was practicing on special teams for the Commanders,
Speaker 1: Like that is not a good spot to be in
Speaker 1: couples all these fun issues. What do you think, Pat,
Speaker 1: is this you know, training camp preseason punishment from Ron
Speaker 1: Rivera being kind of an old school coach, or is this, hey,
Speaker 1: look he's practicing with the threes, Robinson's up with the ones.
Speaker 1: We can no longer ignore this, good lord. I hope
Speaker 1: it's just some sort of old school punishment for the
Speaker 1: fumble in the preseason. That he's doing special teams and
Speaker 1: Chad like reminds me that I think I need to
Speaker 1: go and put together some dynasty trade offers for Antonio Gibson, because, like,
Speaker 1: you've got this guy who is as big and as
Speaker 1: fast as Jonathan Taylor has experienced as a college wide receiver,
Speaker 1: has scored double digit touchdowns his first two years in
Speaker 1: the league, and it's so tough that he played with
Speaker 1: a cracked, freaking shinbone last year. Like, I want this guy,
Speaker 1: and I understand the depth chart stuff is sort of
Speaker 1: alarming right now, and the fumbling thing is an issue.
Speaker 1: Although you know, and I referenced this on your show,
Speaker 1: Bogs like Tiki Barber had a fumbling problem when he
Speaker 1: came into the league. It just went away, like it's
Speaker 1: a problem sometimes and then it's not. You know, DeVante
Speaker 1: Adams had drops problems his first couple of years in
Speaker 1: the league. Like I'm not too worried about that. And
Speaker 1: Gibson still what twenty four I think? And yeah, so boy,
Speaker 1: this is a guy, like if I can get him
Speaker 1: for some sort of lowball offer, like, um, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm not sure what, like if I could a second
Speaker 1: round in twenty twenty three, and I love the twenty
Speaker 1: twenty three class, like a second rounder is nothing to
Speaker 1: pooh poo and next year's draft class. But like, if
Speaker 1: I could get Gibson for that, I would take it.
Speaker 1: And a lot of people who you know, value I
Speaker 1: know that's not going to be looked upon well by
Speaker 1: people who treasure draft picks in the fantasy community, and
Speaker 1: there's some who I think overvalue then, but man, what's
Speaker 1: behind door number two is always sexier, right, it doesn't matter,
Speaker 1: You'll you'll get it in your mind. Something sexier it
Speaker 1: is better. So I'm with you on that for sure.
Speaker 1: People definitely overestimate those although this class is gonna be
Speaker 1: very good next. Yes, it is right. I know, like
Speaker 1: an early second in this is almost like you know,
Speaker 1: mid first from the twenty twenty two class. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: But let me ask you a couple of those two,
Speaker 1: AJ Dylan or Antonio Gibson, because you're a Dylan guy.
Speaker 1: I am a Dylan guy. Um boy, that one's really close,
Speaker 1: a little man, a little bit of a leg like
Speaker 1: I always think there's gonna be a ceiling on Dylan's
Speaker 1: pass catching potential. So in Dynasty, where it's always almost
Speaker 1: always PPR, I'm going Gibson there by knows what about
Speaker 1: Dave Montgomery, Eli Mitchell, Leonard Fournette, those like the first
Speaker 1: four guys underneath Gibson in the rankings, Gibson over all
Speaker 1: of them, over all of them. Let me see if
Speaker 1: I can find somebody Josh Jacob's James Connor. You take
Speaker 1: any of those guys over Gibson. No, now, so I
Speaker 1: mean you might take him over Gibson or Aaron Jones.
Speaker 1: You might actually be moving him up here. I'm higher
Speaker 1: than nineteen two. I got him at fifteen. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean with the Gibson Aaron Jones thing, like if I'm
Speaker 1: if I've got any sort of open championship window, I'd
Speaker 1: rather have Jones. And I'm you know, I think a
Speaker 1: big part of this that people forget is like, even
Speaker 1: if he's dead with the Commanders of Brian Robinson is
Speaker 1: amazing and mckissicks slots in as the passing down guy,
Speaker 1: someone else is going to value Gibson next year and
Speaker 1: make a deal for him, you know, pick him up
Speaker 1: if the Commander's cut him whatever, you know, and he'll
Speaker 1: still have value. That was my whole thing on Leonard
Speaker 1: Fournette and I worked out. It's also my whole thing
Speaker 1: on Levion Bill and that didn't pan out as well.
Speaker 1: But you know a lot of those, especially twenty four
Speaker 1: year old backs, can pick it up and go somewhere else.
Speaker 1: What is number two for you, fitz he What do
Speaker 1: you got? So let's been an offseason storyline throughout all winter,
Speaker 1: all spring the Chiefs wide receivers, and we saw some
Speaker 1: interesting evidence of what playing time might look like early
Speaker 1: in the season, at least when Patrick Mahomes played eleven
Speaker 1: snaps in the chief first preseason game and the number
Speaker 1: of snaps four Chiefs wide receivers while Mahomes was on
Speaker 1: the field Juju eleven, MVS nine, Kole Hardman four, Skymore zero.
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying the Skymore truther should be alarmed.
Speaker 1: I like Skymore two, but maybe he's not going to
Speaker 1: be on the field constantly for the Chiefs this year,
Speaker 1: which might be kind of an issue early on. Like,
Speaker 1: I don't think this is any reason to be concerned
Speaker 1: about sky Moore's Dynasty value, come on, but it is
Speaker 1: a pretty good reason to be excited about Juju's value.
Speaker 1: Maybe he is, in fact that the clear wide receiver
Speaker 1: won here and Jujus still young, so maybe you know,
Speaker 1: MVS it is a follow the money thing and the
Speaker 1: intendant play MVS pretty constantly on you know, we're going
Speaker 1: to see ninety percent snap shares for him. So and
Speaker 1: maybe Hardman isn't dead just yet. Can you just tell
Speaker 1: me where ch analysts that you are close personal friends with,
Speaker 1: has been promoting Juju this entire offseason. That would be
Speaker 1: you Box, Okay, I just want to make sure we
Speaker 1: got that cleared up there. So, Chad, what do you
Speaker 1: think about this Kansas City Wide Receivers you know situation
Speaker 1: here because for Dynasty Skymore ECR thirty seven, Juju forty two,
Speaker 1: So both wide receiver fours in Dynasty, which is somebody
Speaker 1: he's gonna be catching passes here, you got to pick
Speaker 1: a camp. And I think that's why these guys are
Speaker 1: averaging four because sometimes he get twenties, sometimes he gets sixties,
Speaker 1: probably because you know, it's just a big mix here.
Speaker 1: So what do you think about this chief situation between
Speaker 1: really it's Juju and more. Yeah, I'm taking more at
Speaker 1: that cost in Dynasty. I just like his skill set
Speaker 1: a little better than Juju's. I think he has more
Speaker 1: of a ceiling. He had, you know, a really good
Speaker 1: college production, obviously coming from a small school. But I
Speaker 1: like the player more than I like Juju the player.
Speaker 1: I think, honestly, for this year, I'm taking a shot
Speaker 1: on MVS in a lot of leagues, but I don't want,
Speaker 1: you know, I don't want him in Dynasty Sky Moore
Speaker 1: as the guy I want in Dynasty. I think it
Speaker 1: might be a little slow to get there. Obviously, Travis
Speaker 1: Kelsey is gonna catch a ton of passes. I think
Speaker 1: Juju will be that guy, you know, that guy out
Speaker 1: of the slot, but MVS is going to be the
Speaker 1: big play guy down the field. Eventually, I think sky
Speaker 1: Moore will work into the most consistent receiver that they
Speaker 1: can really move around. And like you said, you can't
Speaker 1: forget about McCole hardman. I know he's been taking snaps
Speaker 1: out of the backfield. He's gotten some positive you know reviews,
Speaker 1: which we've heard before, so you know, we'll see on
Speaker 1: that one. But there's just a lot of guys here
Speaker 1: that I'm not that excited about, so long term, gimme
Speaker 1: sky Moore with I think the highest ceiling man. I mean,
Speaker 1: I've never heard anyone under sell the Chiefs offense more, Chad,
Speaker 1: you're not a big juju. They're both values at this number, right,
Speaker 1: I mean, I think you're gonna have to take one higher.
Speaker 1: There's probably more, but I think they're both values at
Speaker 1: that price right, Well, potentially, but I think MVS is
Speaker 1: a value because he's going later than anybody. I also
Speaker 1: think Travis Kelsey is a value as high as he's going.
Speaker 1: I know people are talking about what he's gonna get,
Speaker 1: you know, a lot of attention, same way Darren Waller did.
Speaker 1: But Darren Waller had Derek Carr versus Patrick Mahomes. I
Speaker 1: think Mahomes can make them pay if they try to
Speaker 1: really bracket a tight end. I mean most teams don't
Speaker 1: bracket tight ends right. You just can't do it. Mahomes
Speaker 1: will make you pay for it. I think Kelsey might
Speaker 1: see a career high in targets. He might get to one,
Speaker 1: sixty one, sixty five. I think that offense is going
Speaker 1: to funnel through him and then you know a lot
Speaker 1: of deep shots to mvs and trickery with Micole Hardman.
Speaker 1: So that's kind of where I'm at. Yeah, and it
Speaker 1: makes sense. I mean sky Moore has a ton of potential.
Speaker 1: I just you know, watching Juju for years. Juju's my guy,
Speaker 1: so and that's that's not going to change for me,
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Speaker 1: year one that I really like is Damian Pierce. Damian
Speaker 1: Pierce taking over this running back role for the Houston
Speaker 1: Texans has been dominant in camp. Everyone else has looked
Speaker 1: exactly like we thought they would. Marlon Mack underwhelming, Rex
Speaker 1: Burkhead a little bit old, not a lot else going
Speaker 1: out on there. And you have a young defense, you
Speaker 1: have a young quarterback, you have you know, the only
Speaker 1: thing that isn't young on this team is Levey Smith
Speaker 1: and Brandon Cooks. Like that's it. Everything else is super raw.
Speaker 1: Damian Pierce represents his team very well in the raw factor.
Speaker 1: He was underutilized. I feel like in Florida's offense, I
Speaker 1: think he was better than the other running backs. He's
Speaker 1: looked better than the current running backs on this roster.
Speaker 1: And if you're the Texans, this seems to be the
Speaker 1: potential for a volume play in my opinion, because if
Speaker 1: you have a defense that is subpar, you want to
Speaker 1: run the ball to run the clock and keep your
Speaker 1: defense on the sideline. Doesn't always work. The Seahawks ran
Speaker 1: more than anybody last year and possessed the ball two
Speaker 1: minutes less than anybody else. It was kind of pathetic,
Speaker 1: so it doesn't always Not a one for one doesn't
Speaker 1: always work, but that's at least a strategy. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: be high on Pierce currently right now in Fantasy Pros
Speaker 1: Dynasty ECR, he is forty among running backs fits. What
Speaker 1: do you think about Pierce? Are you a Pierce guy?
Speaker 1: Or And by the way, I have him exactly at
Speaker 1: forty in my rankings, which is funny. A lot of
Speaker 1: these guys I'm seeing because I'm forty five on pickings too,
Speaker 1: and that's the exact DCR number as well. But I
Speaker 1: like Pierce a lot. I'm not wholly convinced that the
Speaker 1: Texans can't go out and pick up another back eventually,
Speaker 1: but he seems to be the best guy on the
Speaker 1: roster here, right he is. And I do think, by
Speaker 1: the way, some of our Dynasty rankers tending to collect
Speaker 1: their rankings a bit in August when they're busy keeping
Speaker 1: up with the Redraft stuff and it's a lot of
Speaker 1: moving parts in August. Yeah, I'm may be guilty of
Speaker 1: that myself, but I think if you had people doing
Speaker 1: their rankings today, we would see Damie Pierce a lot
Speaker 1: higher than that. I'm excited box We've talked about him
Speaker 1: and how he was woefully underutilized by Dan Mullen in Florida,
Speaker 1: Like really pretty good in all facets like runner, pass catcher,
Speaker 1: pass blocker, So he could be a do it all
Speaker 1: guy for the Texans. And you know, if you're taking
Speaker 1: the long view and dynasty like this year in Redraft,
Speaker 1: I'm a little hesitant to buy in, just because I
Speaker 1: think it would be hard to start him with confidence
Speaker 1: in any given week, because I do think there's going
Speaker 1: to be some Marlon Mack and Rex Burkehead mixed in.
Speaker 1: Texans aren't going to score a lot of touchdowns. So
Speaker 1: I just don't know what you're really going to get
Speaker 1: as far as scoring output if you can feel good
Speaker 1: about throwing Pierce and even a flex spot. But if
Speaker 1: you're playing the long game, like this guy could be
Speaker 1: there there Bell Cow running back potentially or at least
Speaker 1: the head of a commute in you know, two three
Speaker 1: years from now, when maybe the Texans are perhaps quarterbacked
Speaker 1: by H. C. J. Stroud or someone else like that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so it's it's maybe sunnier days ahead for the Texans offense.
Speaker 1: But it's encouraging that Pierce has shown this much so early. Chad,
Speaker 1: what do you think of Peers? Am I? Am I
Speaker 1: off base thinking that he could be the unquestioned leader
Speaker 1: of this backfield in Houston? I just am not. You know,
Speaker 1: Marlon Mack doesn't do anything for me. I've seen the
Speaker 1: Rex Burkhead story before him. Just not excited. Am I
Speaker 1: getting a little too amped for the Florida back here?
Speaker 1: I don't think so. I really like Pierce. He was
Speaker 1: wildly efficient in college and we've seen that. You mentioned
Speaker 1: the underutilization with you know mullin there Florida. We've seen
Speaker 1: that story before. I'm a big Darius Tony guy, you know,
Speaker 1: same same kind of deal there. I think what worries
Speaker 1: me is I actually like Davis Mills, so you know,
Speaker 1: I don't love projecting forward to the new quarterback. I
Speaker 1: think those could surprise some people this year, and I
Speaker 1: think that passing offense could be better than expected. But um,
Speaker 1: no doubt they're going to be trailing a lot. I
Speaker 1: don't see that running game being overly efficient. They are
Speaker 1: as much as you know, I'm over Rex Burkhead's story
Speaker 1: as well. They are going to use him on passing downs.
Speaker 1: It's just the way it goes. What worries me is
Speaker 1: that Pierce flashes a bit this year. You know, the
Speaker 1: Texans get better, maybe they do draft a quarterback and
Speaker 1: then they go out as they're starting to get good,
Speaker 1: they go out and you know, draft a running back higher.
Speaker 1: But I do think Pierce is good enough to stick,
Speaker 1: especially at RB forty. I like him there. I like
Speaker 1: his talent a lot at just the situation. You know,
Speaker 1: lukewarmon Yeah, and that's understandable. You know, when you get it,
Speaker 1: when you get a piece of an offense you would
Speaker 1: prefer to be a good offense. That that is very
Speaker 1: very true. Like, you know, I think Spiller, Isaiah Spiller
Speaker 1: is a much better running back than Damian Pierce. But
Speaker 1: he's got Austin Eckler in front of him, you know,
Speaker 1: and right now it looks like he's got Joshua kelling
Speaker 1: from him. So it's just little things like that, you
Speaker 1: know that that are annoying where just doesn't have that
Speaker 1: in front of him. You know. The offense isn't great,
Speaker 1: but it could be better than we think, and he
Speaker 1: could lead it. So what is your third preseason story
Speaker 1: you want to talk about today, chat? Well, we talked
Speaker 1: about the Chiefs pass catchers, right, so let's just talk
Speaker 1: about their running back room. Because Isaiah Pacheco, the seventh
Speaker 1: round rookie, seemingly coming out of nowhere, has been a
Speaker 1: huge story and I think we kind of wondered, you know,
Speaker 1: it was this fact or fiction in terms of some
Speaker 1: of the training camp buzz that we were hearing reports of. Well,
Speaker 1: we saw that he got some reps with the first
Speaker 1: team in the preseason game. He was the second running
Speaker 1: back in the game after ch and so I mean
Speaker 1: I guess that part is fact. I still have concerns.
Speaker 1: I mean, he was a seventh round pick for a reason, right.
Speaker 1: He offense was bad at Rutgers, but I don't think
Speaker 1: he was a great prospect. He's fast. I don't know
Speaker 1: how he fits into this offense. I still like, you know, Cech,
Speaker 1: I think his dynasty ADP's like our twenty seven or
Speaker 1: twenty eight, which is right now, okay, so insanely low.
Speaker 1: And you know, coming out he was a big pass
Speaker 1: catching specialist, like that's what he did, and the Chiefs
Speaker 1: really haven't found a way to utilize him there. I
Speaker 1: think I'm just still taking the bet on Cech kind
Speaker 1: of breaking through. Then I am this seventh round rookie
Speaker 1: coming in and taking and you still got Ronald Jones
Speaker 1: who may or may not make the team. But Jerick
Speaker 1: McKinnon played really well in the playoffs. I know he's
Speaker 1: a thirty year old guy that hasn't been able to
Speaker 1: stay healthy, but I think they'll utilize him as well.
Speaker 1: So I think it'll be kind of a rotation, and
Speaker 1: for me, Cech still has the best odds to emerge
Speaker 1: and be the most productive of that backfield. Fits Well,
Speaker 1: what do you think about this backfield because I mean currently,
Speaker 1: like you said, speaking of not updating, I think with
Speaker 1: Checkos down at like eighty nine or something, that I
Speaker 1: don't have him a crazy amount higher. I have him
Speaker 1: at in the sixties, like sixty three. You know, the
Speaker 1: preseason buzz is nice and once again, you'd rather be
Speaker 1: good than bad. So he's playing well right now. He's
Speaker 1: been the highlight of of the preseason, and we've seen
Speaker 1: guys step up from you know, undrafted free agents step up.
Speaker 1: James Robinson was undrafted and became, you know, the leading back.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying Pacheco is there because I obviously rank
Speaker 1: him in the sixties. I don't think so I SA
Speaker 1: have Cech ahead of him, but there's definitely Cech hasn't
Speaker 1: done enough to keep anyone off of his tail. Ronald
Speaker 1: Jones looks like he could get cut because of Pacheco
Speaker 1: here and Jerk McKinnon is never going to be a
Speaker 1: volume guy. He's going to be a situational guy. So
Speaker 1: you see light at the end of the tunnel for
Speaker 1: Pacheco becoming a potential you know late round steel. What
Speaker 1: do you think about Pacheco and have you been rostering
Speaker 1: him in an every leagues I haven't and I really
Speaker 1: should go. And well he's been picked up everywhere. Now
Speaker 1: sure I don't think I have him anywhere, and but
Speaker 1: I'm I've been looking for something to grasp onto in
Speaker 1: this backfield because the Chiefs are going to score a
Speaker 1: lot of touchdowns. They have ranked pretty highly in running
Speaker 1: back targets the last several years. They do throw to
Speaker 1: their running backs, and I think that's kind of an
Speaker 1: indictment of Cech that he hasn't been much of a
Speaker 1: pass catcher that he averaged like what so like one
Speaker 1: point nine targets a game last year, so maybe one
Speaker 1: point nine catches and like two point six targets or
Speaker 1: something like that on a team that throws to its
Speaker 1: backs a lot. So like I we've talked about this box.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think c is kind of mediocre. I
Speaker 1: think Ronald Jones is just you know, a dynasty nonentity
Speaker 1: because he's such a train wreck in the passing game.
Speaker 1: And McKinnon is just a guy, you know, has never
Speaker 1: proven that he can stay healthy over any length of time.
Speaker 1: And now he's older. So like I'm interested in investing
Speaker 1: in Pacheco, and we had Matt Waldman on in April,
Speaker 1: and we had a whole pool of you know, soon
Speaker 1: to be draftees to talk about, and we spent a
Speaker 1: pretty good amount of time talking about Isaiah Pachaco. I
Speaker 1: did everything but roll my eyes too. You know, I
Speaker 1: watched I saw a little bit of Rutgers and you know,
Speaker 1: the checko is fast. But I didn't think he was special.
Speaker 1: But put him around some special players and you know
Speaker 1: you don't have to be special in that scenario. You know,
Speaker 1: you just have to be good enough. So it seems
Speaker 1: like he could be. I don't know, I'm not I'm
Speaker 1: buying lesson on this one, and I think most people are.
Speaker 1: But it's hard to ignore a player that could get
Speaker 1: massive amount of snaps on a good offense. So um,
Speaker 1: you know, he at least has to be on your radar.
Speaker 1: I'll say that, right, right, But this is the team
Speaker 1: where we need Antonio Gibson to end up in order
Speaker 1: Josh Shacops. I mean, I already loved Josh Shacobs and
Speaker 1: I don't understand what this hate is, but I would,
Speaker 1: for freak out, I would get Gibson on the chiefs Man. Oh,
Speaker 1: Chad just got me really excited there. Maybe maybe I'm
Speaker 1: maybe I'm flipping. Maybe I'll be buying Gibson by the
Speaker 1: end of the show. The vision that I could wind
Speaker 1: up in Kansas City, that would be amazing. Just end
Speaker 1: up somewhere um that that isn't Washington would be great.
Speaker 1: There's somewhere where you don't have Carson Wentz playing next
Speaker 1: to you would be awesome. Uh, Fitzy, what's your third
Speaker 1: story you want to talk about from the preseason here? Oh,
Speaker 1: let's talk about the backfield in a much less sexy offense.
Speaker 1: And I swear I'm not bringing this up just to
Speaker 1: bash the Bears in there. Oh whatever, come on, Bears Basher.
Speaker 1: It's fine. Everybody knows that it's okay. But you know what,
Speaker 1: I like kind of want to get my hands on
Speaker 1: Tristan Ebner. And I did pick him up in one
Speaker 1: Dynasty League where he was undrafted, a rookie draft, And like,
Speaker 1: I think this is going to be a committee, this
Speaker 1: new regime with you know, Ryan Poles, the new gm
Speaker 1: uh Eberflus, the code, like they don't have any loyalty
Speaker 1: towards Montgomery, and Montgomery was just sort of of the
Speaker 1: default workhorse for them under paceum or sorry under gaze. No,
Speaker 1: nag Cod was just blanking. They've gone through so many
Speaker 1: this is see, this is pat ripping on the Bears
Speaker 1: by not even ripping on They've gone through so many
Speaker 1: coaches he can't even keep pace with it. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean Bears fans would like to forget Naggy like I
Speaker 1: just did. But so yeah, Like, I think it's going
Speaker 1: to be a three man committee here. Like I think
Speaker 1: David Montgomery if if you're holding him, he's like depreciating
Speaker 1: by the week, and um khalil Herbert, I think hold
Speaker 1: like he's going to grow in importance because he's going
Speaker 1: to get more work this year and possibly a lot
Speaker 1: more work. And I think Ebner, who in the first
Speaker 1: week of the preseason looked really good on a twenty
Speaker 1: seven yard run just stick his foot in the dirt
Speaker 1: and go like one cut bang and also kind of
Speaker 1: twelve yard touched on pat with his only target. So
Speaker 1: he's one to watch. I think we're gonna have a
Speaker 1: full blown committee here. Big downgrade for Montgomery, upgrade for Herbert,
Speaker 1: and Evner is a guy who should be rostered. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this Chad completely aggravates me because I love David Montgomery.
Speaker 1: I you know, Clie Herbert is good, He's fine. I
Speaker 1: just I'm not the biggest Herbert fan. He's okay, But
Speaker 1: I am a huge Dave Montgomery fan. So I hate
Speaker 1: to see this. But look, David Montgomery, there was a
Speaker 1: question about how much he liked football in the offseason.
Speaker 1: You know, he openly talked about he had some mental
Speaker 1: health issues as well. So but he is like, okay
Speaker 1: with taking these special teams reps. I hate that. Don't
Speaker 1: be okay with taking special teams reps. No, I'm your
Speaker 1: number one RB. What are you doing? That's what he
Speaker 1: should be saying. But I don't know. So this situation
Speaker 1: is completely weird to me. And I gotta be honest,
Speaker 1: I have just completely avoided the Bears as a whole
Speaker 1: for guys not named money or commit and you know
Speaker 1: super flex will take justin fields. But other than that,
Speaker 1: I've just kind of avoided the Bears, like to play.
Speaker 1: What do you think about this situation? Do you like
Speaker 1: any of these? Ebner? Do you like David Montgomery or
Speaker 1: you Khalil Herbert? Guy? What do you think is happening here?
Speaker 1: Are you avoiding it like I am I'm mostly avoiding it.
Speaker 1: I'm not a huge Justin Fields supporter myself, but he
Speaker 1: is a running quarterback that's gonna, you know, factor into
Speaker 1: things too. I will say I've been buying Khalil Herbert
Speaker 1: this offseason, really on the forefront of a lot of
Speaker 1: this news, so I kind of got a few shares
Speaker 1: of him at a good time. I think, you know,
Speaker 1: his cost is certainly going up now, and I don't
Speaker 1: know if I want to pay that, but I think
Speaker 1: he's gonna play a big role. I'm not a huge
Speaker 1: Montgomery guy. He's been a volume guy. He's fine. I
Speaker 1: just don't think this offense is going to be great.
Speaker 1: I'm mostly avoiding it. I think they're gonna end up
Speaker 1: replacing Justin Fields if I'm being honest, next year in
Speaker 1: the next draft. I mean, just doesn't get me excited.
Speaker 1: But at cost, I'm still most in on Herbert, just
Speaker 1: because I think he has the upside to really take
Speaker 1: over the job. I think Montgomery can really only go downwards,
Speaker 1: uh where you know Herbert can go up. Ebner is interesting,
Speaker 1: but um, I think you know we've seen Herbert do
Speaker 1: it for a stretch. He had a really good stretch
Speaker 1: last year looked looked really impressive. So he's the one
Speaker 1: I'm in on, if any of them, but mostly out
Speaker 1: on the Bears offense. Pacheco, Ebner, Pierce, Pierce, Pierce Easy
Speaker 1: not close easy for me? Yeah, fits are you the
Speaker 1: same Pierce as Easy over those two? Yeah? I think
Speaker 1: I think that's gonna be Pierce Pacheco Ebner, I mean
Speaker 1: er undrafted guy Udfa, but I mean looks like a
Speaker 1: wire A good yeah, I agree with that, a flyer. Uh.
Speaker 1: The third story that I want to talk about here,
Speaker 1: uh is the Jets depth chart. Really, it's not just
Speaker 1: one thing here. It's it's Michael Carter being ahead of
Speaker 1: Breece Hall, which is interesting. And I will say that
Speaker 1: I have all the Michael Carter shares. I still love
Speaker 1: Breeese Hall though, and I still think Breeese Hall is
Speaker 1: the better back than Michael Carter. I don't know that
Speaker 1: that is so much of a question. But you know,
Speaker 1: this is a Shanahan style offense that we have brought
Speaker 1: to you know, Lafleur rings over from San Francisco. So
Speaker 1: they're gonna use two backs, They're gonna use both their backs,
Speaker 1: and Michael Carter, you know, just because Breees Hall comes
Speaker 1: in doesn't mean he's dead. So I've been snapping up
Speaker 1: Carter in all my redrafts. I like him in Dynasty
Speaker 1: as well. And Garrett Wilson being behind Braxton Barrios on
Speaker 1: the depth chart is just disgusting me. Denzel Mims has
Speaker 1: been having a great camp as well, Like these guys
Speaker 1: had no wide receivers for years and now they're Alausie
Speaker 1: with them. They got him all over the place, so
Speaker 1: they got all kinds of wide receivers. I think Mims
Speaker 1: is gonna end up getting traded because he was the
Speaker 1: eighth wide receiver that's reps. So it seems like they
Speaker 1: have depth chart issues more than you know, player issues here. So, uh, Chad,
Speaker 1: what do you think about Briefe Hall and Michael Carter?
Speaker 1: Are you still confidently drafting Breefe Hall? Were you in
Speaker 1: on him, you know, coming in? And what do you
Speaker 1: think about Garrett Wilson being behind Barrios and Corey Davis.
Speaker 1: Is that something that is eye rolling to you because
Speaker 1: Garrett Wilson's a first round pick or are you giving
Speaker 1: it a little bit of credence because we're bumping up
Speaker 1: against the start here? Yeah, I'm I'm not thrilled with
Speaker 1: Michael Carter's presence. I do think um Breeze Hall is
Speaker 1: the better back. He has league winning upside and redraft
Speaker 1: and you know things like that. He's kind of worth
Speaker 1: a flyer. But if you're a contender dynasty team and
Speaker 1: you found a way to get Bruese Hall on your roster,
Speaker 1: I just don't know that he's going to have that
Speaker 1: type of year with Michael Carter being there. Because Michael
Speaker 1: Carter's no for pass catching. I think Bruce Hall can
Speaker 1: can kind of pass him up in all phases of
Speaker 1: the game. But they obviously want to utilize Michael Carter.
Speaker 1: They want to utilize both of them, and that's always
Speaker 1: a concern, especially in an offense that's not particularly great.
Speaker 1: Right Zach Wilson hasn't looked good and obviously he's hurt.
Speaker 1: Now Joe Flacco, maybe they go get Jimmy g But
Speaker 1: either way, I think this backfield needs a good offense
Speaker 1: in order for Breeze Hall to break out and really
Speaker 1: kind of reach that ceiling. So I'm fine, you know,
Speaker 1: buying him, if you're like a rebuilding dynasty team and
Speaker 1: you want to wait it out, I think he's worth
Speaker 1: it for sure, but in the short term, I don't
Speaker 1: love it. It is kind of disgusting to see Garrett
Speaker 1: Wilson playing behind Braxon Barrios and guys like that. But
Speaker 1: for me, I've never been in on Wilson. I'm a
Speaker 1: big Elijah Moore guy's he's my guy. I think he's
Speaker 1: the alpha wide receiver one in this offense. He was
Speaker 1: insanely productive over I think a seven week stretch last
Speaker 1: year before he got hurt. He was like the wide
Speaker 1: receiver three or something, and he looked great. He's I
Speaker 1: think he's a really really good player. I think he's
Speaker 1: underrated and undervalued. Probably long term it's gonna be a
Speaker 1: one A, one B type of situation. They also probably
Speaker 1: need a quarterback to really break through. But it doesn't
Speaker 1: really change anything for me on Wilson. I'll say that, yeah,
Speaker 1: and that's understandable. I look, I think Elijah Moore is fantastic,
Speaker 1: and he had that big stretch where he was awesome
Speaker 1: last year. But I think I think Karret Wilson's a
Speaker 1: little bit underrated. This dude sent Ohio statewide receiver records.
Speaker 1: They've had amazing wide receivers rolled through that school. So
Speaker 1: I am still very high on Garrett Wilson. He's behind
Speaker 1: the eight ball now, but you know, your career is
Speaker 1: much longer than your first preseason. So I'm I'm still
Speaker 1: in Breece Hall. I'm just gonna be in on So
Speaker 1: what do you think here, Fitzy? Are you are? Are
Speaker 1: you drafting redrafting Dynasty? Are you drafting these guys confidently?
Speaker 1: Are you avoiding Breese Hall for this year? Does Zach
Speaker 1: Wilson being hurt make a difference to you at all?
Speaker 1: What do you think about this Jets team? Boy, it
Speaker 1: almost doesn't because I think Elijah Moore did most of
Speaker 1: his damage in that great stretch he had from like
Speaker 1: Week nine to Week fourteen last year with Mike White
Speaker 1: at quarterback, not Zach Wilson. And Zach Wilson's like security
Speaker 1: blanket last year was Corey Davis, Like that's who he
Speaker 1: sort of favored. So that's the thing, Like, it's it's
Speaker 1: just weird how much Dynasty value has accrued on the
Speaker 1: Jets at running back and wide receiver. Like it's almost
Speaker 1: too much everything by quarterback, which is a real problem
Speaker 1: because what if Zach Wilson turns out to be not good.
Speaker 1: Not that I'm like dismissing his chances of developing into
Speaker 1: a good quarterback, but I mean, he's like last year
Speaker 1: it looked like he had a pretty long way to go.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, And like how quick might they be to
Speaker 1: throw him overboard if they don't see exactly what they
Speaker 1: want to see from him this year? But man, like
Speaker 1: I Hall, I mean, I think he's just below Barkley
Speaker 1: and Jonathan Taylor in terms of being a prospect with
Speaker 1: a great three year production lit up the combine. I mean,
Speaker 1: this is a special prospect catches passes and Carter good
Speaker 1: like Carter's good catches passes. I think he's a nice
Speaker 1: long term dynasty asset, echo what you said about Garrett Wilson.
Speaker 1: But like Chad, I think Elijah Moore is just a
Speaker 1: stud there and like, you know, borderline like a top
Speaker 1: ten dynasty receiver for me. But man, like, they really
Speaker 1: need the quarterback to make it all go, and I
Speaker 1: don't know if they have it yet or when they
Speaker 1: might get it. I mean, everything we just said about
Speaker 1: Tampa Bay. If Tom Brady doesn't show up, right, that's
Speaker 1: kind of the same scenario. That you have going on
Speaker 1: with the Jets. Although Tampa based defense is you know,
Speaker 1: top five in the league and the Jets is definitely
Speaker 1: not so rebuilding. They should get better, but they're still
Speaker 1: not good. So we'll see. It's gonna be a long season.
Speaker 1: But we all know Zach Wilson's got that dog in him,
Speaker 1: so maybe he'll pull it out in this season. We'll see. Chad,
Speaker 1: what is your last preseason topic that you want to
Speaker 1: touch on before we get out of here. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean we can't get out of here without talking about
Speaker 1: the Packers wide receivers and Romeo Dubbs big game. He
Speaker 1: kind of, you know, lit Twitter on fire and really
Speaker 1: the internet when he scored that touchdown and he looks good. Right,
Speaker 1: There's another guy that we've heard a lot of training
Speaker 1: camp buzz about with Christian Watson on the shelf, and
Speaker 1: we got to see it in action. So that's great.
Speaker 1: Adjust the rankings, etc. But I don't think we should
Speaker 1: get too far ahead of ourselves in dynasty. For July,
Speaker 1: adp was Alan Lazard wide receiver fifty three, Christian Watson
Speaker 1: wide receiver forty one, Romeo Dubs all the way at
Speaker 1: wide receiver ninety five, Romeo Dubbs has actually passed Christian
Speaker 1: Watson and underdog adp So you're seeing it in Bestball,
Speaker 1: and I think that gap is going to really shrink
Speaker 1: in Dynasty. I think they're going to become very close.
Speaker 1: I'd still take I'd take Lazard for this year. He's
Speaker 1: the guy. He scored eight touchdowns last year. He has
Speaker 1: the chemistry with Rogers, He's you know, a great red
Speaker 1: zone target. But long term, I'm still taking the upside
Speaker 1: of Christian Watson. Romeo Dubs I think has a chance
Speaker 1: to be a good player in this league and maybe
Speaker 1: for a long time. He doesn't have the upside that
Speaker 1: Christian Watson has in this offense, and Christian Watson has
Speaker 1: been banged up. We haven't even seen him. I mean,
Speaker 1: if he comes back and just gets these strong reviews,
Speaker 1: I mean, how high up is he gonna go? Right? So,
Speaker 1: I don't want to overreact to Romeo Dubs. I think he's,
Speaker 1: you know, has a chance to be a good player.
Speaker 1: I just don't think he's going to be the Packers
Speaker 1: wide receiver one. Yeah. I mean I don't think he's
Speaker 1: going to be that either. I will say, you know,
Speaker 1: once again, we've kind of hit this point home. It's
Speaker 1: it's just nice to be good instead of bad. But look,
Speaker 1: Dubs a little underrated coming out of Nevada. I thought,
Speaker 1: because look, I play a lot of college fantasy football,
Speaker 1: right and this strong Dubs Cole Turner Trio and Nevada
Speaker 1: like propelled a lot of my teams a lot of
Speaker 1: Mountain West late night football watching. And the guy can
Speaker 1: get open deep and Rogers can heave it deep. So
Speaker 1: I kind of like this combo. But yeah, you cannot
Speaker 1: put him ahead of Watson. He cannot be being drafted
Speaker 1: ahead of Watson. I think, Pat, I don't understand how
Speaker 1: you didn't take this one. I left it for you specifically,
Speaker 1: and Chat ends up with it. But go ahead and
Speaker 1: talk about your packer's wide receivers here if you would. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I guess it's because maybe I haven't really sorted it
Speaker 1: out in my head when I think of these guys.
Speaker 1: I mean, like Chat, I think I'm still betting on
Speaker 1: Watson for Dynasty over any of these guys long term,
Speaker 1: just the size and the speed combination. I mean, maybe
Speaker 1: he turns out to be Denzel Mims with that size
Speaker 1: and speed combination. But like you have to be optimistic
Speaker 1: about it. And he hasn't practiced much in camp, so
Speaker 1: hard to hold that against him. And but like I
Speaker 1: would rather have Dale than Lazard in Dynasty. To me,
Speaker 1: like I think Lizard, Lizard's never gonna sniff a thousand yards.
Speaker 1: He's just not that guy. Like he's um, you know,
Speaker 1: like not a great separation guy. I don't think, like
Speaker 1: not great after the catch. Um, I think he could
Speaker 1: score a lot of touchdowns because Rogers likes to throw
Speaker 1: close to the goal line and Lizard is just gigantic.
Speaker 1: Wouldn't be surprised if he got close to ten touchdowns
Speaker 1: this year. But I don't know that he's ever going
Speaker 1: to be like a heavy duty volume receiver. So um,
Speaker 1: really interesting man. Like I know Derek Brown and Alex
Speaker 1: Dunlap and some other people who were at the combine
Speaker 1: were not or not at the combine. The Senior Ball
Speaker 1: not real excited about Dubs there because he was getting
Speaker 1: locked down in press coverage, Like guys were just getting
Speaker 1: their hands on him and Dubs could not get out
Speaker 1: of press coverage. Maybe he's figured out a way to
Speaker 1: solve that, uh you know, or maybe like we're getting
Speaker 1: fooled here, Like he's going up against a lot of
Speaker 1: zone or or off coverage, So like that's kind of
Speaker 1: something to watch. Packer games the next couple of weeks
Speaker 1: are going to be really interesting when they maybe start,
Speaker 1: you know, mixing Rodgers in for a series or two
Speaker 1: and what things look like there. Yeah, I mean it's
Speaker 1: gonna be interesting. We're just looking for something, you know,
Speaker 1: Graham Bay in Kansas City fairly similar situations in terms
Speaker 1: of wide receivers, although I do think, you know, there's
Speaker 1: higher upside for the Kansas City guys just because I
Speaker 1: think they're better players than a lot of the guys
Speaker 1: on the Packers roster right now. But it's the same deal.
Speaker 1: We're hunting. Someone has to catch the ball here, and
Speaker 1: I know that's a crutch argument, but it's also a
Speaker 1: true argument, Like somebody's got to get the ball there,
Speaker 1: and we're going to figure it out sooner rather than later.
Speaker 1: And Dubbs has been looking good, so we kind of
Speaker 1: gravitate towards him. Fitzy, what is the last preseason story
Speaker 1: you want to talk about here today? Yeah, we can
Speaker 1: hit this one quickly because I think a lot of
Speaker 1: people were excited about him for Dynasty. Anyway, it's Travis Etn.
Speaker 1: And in the Jags first preseason game, et N played
Speaker 1: a lot on every down and looked really good. And yes,
Speaker 1: James Robinson still not ready to get back on the
Speaker 1: field yet in uh, you know, game action. Eventually he
Speaker 1: will come back, and I think he's going to have
Speaker 1: a role, but I'm starting to think that maybe it
Speaker 1: might be more of a change of pace role, and
Speaker 1: that Etn is going to be like the guy not
Speaker 1: just on passing downs, but like early downs. Two maybe
Speaker 1: it's like a sixty forty on early downs with in
Speaker 1: Etn's favor Andy plays all the passing downs and boy,
Speaker 1: if that happens, like he could be a fifteen hundred
Speaker 1: combined yards guy. And I remember when he was coming, Well,
Speaker 1: let me slow that down for a second. I remember
Speaker 1: when I thought he was going to be entering the draft,
Speaker 1: like he was going to be my number two behind
Speaker 1: Jonathan Taylor. I was like, I liked Etm more than Swift,
Speaker 1: and I liked Swift a lot, but I liked Etn
Speaker 1: a little bit more. So, Like this is an exciting guy,
Speaker 1: and you know, que up the office, it's happening Jefflank,
Speaker 1: I think it's happening here. Like if you've got him
Speaker 1: on your your Dynasty rosters, like you're not selling him,
Speaker 1: I don't think, And it's it's gonna be really tough
Speaker 1: to buy him. And I like ETN a lot as well.
Speaker 1: I just still really like James Robinson though, so it's
Speaker 1: hard for me. Now. Look, I do have ETN higher.
Speaker 1: I got him at twenty two. I've got James Robinson
Speaker 1: at thirty. Currently in ECR among running backs, ETN is
Speaker 1: thirteen and James Robinson is way down here at right
Speaker 1: now forty one. So obviously coming off and Achilles tear
Speaker 1: is a big deal, but I'm encouraged by James Robinson
Speaker 1: not having a start in the pub. This guy has
Speaker 1: already been at a Pro Bowl level before. But ETN
Speaker 1: just has that giant, huge ceiling. Chad, what do you
Speaker 1: think about the situation for Dynasty and for this year. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm a big James Robinson guy too, so I've been
Speaker 1: kind of clinging to that and that he's going to
Speaker 1: come back and and still be the starter. ETN is
Speaker 1: going to be that change of pace guy. But admittedly
Speaker 1: I have been impressed with ETN. I think he obviously
Speaker 1: has more upside with that pass catching. I mean, that's
Speaker 1: so valuable. But I think this offense could sneak up
Speaker 1: on some people. You know, they got a real coach
Speaker 1: in there. I think Trevor Lawrence can can't. I mean,
Speaker 1: he looked good, he looked real sharp and his you know,
Speaker 1: preseason again, but I think he can really take a step,
Speaker 1: and they've got some new weapons in there. I think
Speaker 1: this offense could sneak up and be good enough where
Speaker 1: both of those guys can have value and be sort
Speaker 1: of interchangeable. Et N gets you know, most of the
Speaker 1: past catching work, but Robinson you know, works in and
Speaker 1: they kind of split a lot of the other work.
Speaker 1: And I think they can both be supported if that happens.
Speaker 1: I like Etn a lot in his pass catching, but
Speaker 1: RB thirteen is rich. I struggle with that a little bit,
Speaker 1: but I can see the upside and the path for sure. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And that's why I have him lower than consensus, like
Speaker 1: I said, as a you know, a low end RB
Speaker 1: two instead of a high end RB two, you know,
Speaker 1: just because I think James Robinson's going to have a
Speaker 1: role here moving forward. But you can absolutely see that
Speaker 1: upside of the ten. He is fantastic and we haven't
Speaker 1: seen anything from him outside of this preseason, so it's exciting.
Speaker 1: It's exciting to see him finally get rolling. The last
Speaker 1: one I want to talk about, and y'all know where
Speaker 1: I stand on this, the Seahawks running back situation. I
Speaker 1: am a huge Kenneth Walker fan. I am not a
Speaker 1: Rishot Penny fan, so for me, it's fairly easy. But
Speaker 1: Penny looked good. Walker has been a little bit behind
Speaker 1: the eight ball in terms of getting snaps with those ones.
Speaker 1: We know he doesn't have a lot of pass catching experience,
Speaker 1: although Pauli Anna Pete Carroll says he they view him
Speaker 1: as a three down back and he's catching the ball
Speaker 1: in camp and he's amazing. But that's Pete Carroll, like
Speaker 1: everyone's amazing, everyone's the best player he's ever scene. So
Speaker 1: you gotta take what Pete Carroll says with a little
Speaker 1: bit of a grain of salt. So um fits, I'll
Speaker 1: start with you because we've kind of hit this one
Speaker 1: at nauseum. Walker over Penny and it's not close, correct,
Speaker 1: oh by a mile, and uh like, Walker's a terrific
Speaker 1: prospect to it if Breece Hall hadn't bet around, he
Speaker 1: very easily could have been the top guy. Um, we
Speaker 1: talked about it, like over one hundred and thirty yards
Speaker 1: a game rushing at Michigan State last year, and uh,
Speaker 1: you didn't catch many passes, but that's kind of the
Speaker 1: Michigan State offense scored, scored a bunch of touchdowns and
Speaker 1: then fantastic combine. So this is the same for redraft
Speaker 1: for you two fits like not just dynasty for this
Speaker 1: year too. Are you are you drafting Walker or are
Speaker 1: you like avoiding the situation because the offense looks like
Speaker 1: a disaster. No, I've been drafting him pretty frequently because
Speaker 1: he's going like around running back thirty and redraft and um,
Speaker 1: you know, and now we're already seeing Rashad Penny deal
Speaker 1: with a tight groin. I believe it's the latest injury.
Speaker 1: So yes, as good as Penny looked, I mean, to
Speaker 1: his credit, he was pretty fantastic down the stretch last year,
Speaker 1: but obviously like he's had trouble holding up to the
Speaker 1: brutality of the NFL game. So I think before long
Speaker 1: there's going to be a major opportunity for Walker, and
Speaker 1: I think even if Penny is healthy, Walkers could have
Speaker 1: a roll. Yeah. I mean, I Walker is the guy
Speaker 1: here to me, Chad. You know, let's let's hear the
Speaker 1: Dynasty take first, and then the Redraft take as well. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think for Dynasty, I really like Walker. He was
Speaker 1: a guy, you know, coming into the NFL draft, I
Speaker 1: I flirted with the idea of putting him above Breeze Hall.
Speaker 1: Of course I didn't. Hall's terrific, But I think just
Speaker 1: in terms of rushing, you know, just straight who looked
Speaker 1: better on tape as a rusher? I thought Kenneth Walker.
Speaker 1: I thought he had really good tape at Michigan State.
Speaker 1: I really liked him. Rasha Penny, we kind of know
Speaker 1: the story, right, Yeah, we'll get those flashes, but we
Speaker 1: get the downside too. So definitely in on Walker in Dynasty,
Speaker 1: I think in the short term more Redraft, I'm really
Speaker 1: avoiding it all together. I know Pete Carroll has said
Speaker 1: Kenneth Walker is as a three down back, but I've
Speaker 1: also heard quotes and reports, etc. That they are going
Speaker 1: to use DJ Dallas and Travis Homer on third downs
Speaker 1: as their pass catching backs and then rotate Penny and
Speaker 1: Walker on first and second downs. So the theme here,
Speaker 1: I like a lot of these running backs were discussing.
Speaker 1: But when a guy's only getting partial, you know, work
Speaker 1: of the first and second down role, I just I
Speaker 1: don't see the upside in redraft. I mean, RB thirty.
Speaker 1: Maybe there's probably a few guys I would take over
Speaker 1: him still at that point, But I really like Kenneth
Speaker 1: Walker the player. And you know, once this offense starts
Speaker 1: to get better, hopefully eventually, and he separates and Rashad
Speaker 1: Penny goes elsewhere, I think he could have have a
Speaker 1: really good career there. Yeah, and look, avoiding anything in
Speaker 1: Seattle does make sense this year. So I've been taking
Speaker 1: a Walker a couple of times. I've taken metcalf a
Speaker 1: couple times just because they fall low and the offense
Speaker 1: isn't good. But you know, it's it's a risk. It's
Speaker 1: a risk investing in an offense that's going to be
Speaker 1: led by Geno Smith or Drew Locke. Either way it's bad.
Speaker 1: So it's it's not a great situation there. I'd love
Speaker 1: for them to get you know, Jimmy g but tough
Speaker 1: to trade in the division. Don't think that's going to
Speaker 1: happen unless he gets cut. So that is everything for
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