Speaker 1: Welcome back everybody. It's a Fantasy Pros Dynasty Fantasy football podcast.
Speaker 1: I'm your host, Scott Bogman. Follow me on the Twitter
Speaker 1: at Bogman Sports. I'm joined as always by one of
Speaker 1: the best in the biz, Pat Fitzmore's at fits Underscore
Speaker 1: f f fitz We're gonna be talking wide receivers today.
Speaker 1: But how's your weekend going? And how do you like
Speaker 1: those playoffs? Weekend is going? Wallbogs. I mean, we got
Speaker 1: some good football, like Giants Eagles was a blowout, and
Speaker 1: you know that was a little frustrating. I didn't have
Speaker 1: a very good betting day on Sunday, but you know,
Speaker 1: I'm pretty excited about the conference championship matchups looking forward
Speaker 1: to it. It's gonna be a good weekend. I mean,
Speaker 1: the Niners and Eagles game is gonna be so much fun.
Speaker 1: I don't know what we're gonna get out of the
Speaker 1: Chiefs Bangles game because if Patrick if Mahomes is still
Speaker 1: really banged up, and that looked like a high ankle sprain.
Speaker 1: You know, it's one of those things where you can
Speaker 1: go out and play on adrenaline right after it happened.
Speaker 1: But how big is that ankle gonna swell up, and
Speaker 1: how nasty is it gonna look? Comes Sunday will be
Speaker 1: interesting to see. I mean, obviously I will be rooting
Speaker 1: for the Chiefs. I cannot root for the Bengals. My
Speaker 1: Steelers blood will not let me do that. So on
Speaker 1: the other side, I don't really care. I mean, I
Speaker 1: would prefer the Niners, not matches Steelers and Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: So fly Eagle Fly, But you know, I don't really
Speaker 1: have that much of a rooting interest. I would say
Speaker 1: right now, the Eagles look like the team to be
Speaker 1: who would you pick out of the group. I would
Speaker 1: also say the Eagles. I think they have the best
Speaker 1: chance to win the Super Bowl. Though it's interesting that
Speaker 1: like to see the four teams group so closely together
Speaker 1: as far as their championship odds right now. You don't
Speaker 1: typically see that when you get down to the final
Speaker 1: four bogs, so you can there's usually an odd man
Speaker 1: out and there just isn't this year, right, And you know,
Speaker 1: I feel like the Eagles probably have the fewest weaknesses
Speaker 1: of all the teams left. Chiefs Bengals will be interesting.
Speaker 1: And like you said, bugman like people are looking at
Speaker 1: that Mahomes injury and really like scrutinizing that, and it's
Speaker 1: moving the point spread towards the Bengals, and they've kind
Speaker 1: of already forgotten that the Bengals are down three offensive
Speaker 1: linemen and you know, like, and it didn't matter for
Speaker 1: them against the Bills, and maybe the snow played into that.
Speaker 1: That was so weird. I thought they really would have,
Speaker 1: but it didn't at all. So, you know, just the
Speaker 1: way it goes, I guess, you know, And it could.
Speaker 1: The Bengals line has been so bad the whole year
Speaker 1: it might be additioned by subtraction right now. Maybe, Yeah,
Speaker 1: just I think if I'm betting right now, I think
Speaker 1: I'm taking the Eagles because of strength on the line
Speaker 1: on both sides, the offensive and defensive line. I mean,
Speaker 1: they drafted Jordan Davis to clog the middle, and they
Speaker 1: can't catch Von Hargrave off the field. Like the depth
Speaker 1: along that defensive line is absolutely incredible. But pass rush
Speaker 1: is incredible. Josh Sweat has been so good. Hassan Reddick
Speaker 1: had a huge game. Yeah, I mean, it's just it's
Speaker 1: tough to stop and then they just grade on the
Speaker 1: offensive side, they just run people over. So but tough
Speaker 1: matchup against the Niners. Thought, can't take anything away from them.
Speaker 1: They've been great and Purty you keep Purty clean and
Speaker 1: he's complete in the past fifteen and seventeen in a
Speaker 1: clean pocket. Last week just unbelievable stuff from the Niners too.
Speaker 1: So anyway, we can talk about that. We could do
Speaker 1: a whole hour on the playoffs. But let's get in
Speaker 1: to some of these wide receiver rankings and we're gonna
Speaker 1: start at the top and work our way down here
Speaker 1: and talk about our differences, of course, just like we
Speaker 1: did last week, but let's give an overarching view of
Speaker 1: the wide receivers from a dynasty context here fit see,
Speaker 1: because you know, ranking these wide receivers so much harder
Speaker 1: than ranking the running backs in my opinion, because a
Speaker 1: lot of these guys you're getting down to splitting hairs with.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of wide receiver talent in the NFL
Speaker 1: right now, more and more is coming in every single year.
Speaker 1: We kind of talked about this off air fits that
Speaker 1: from the high school level, I think wide receivers probably
Speaker 1: the second or third position usually filled out by the
Speaker 1: best athlete on the field. Firsts quarterback, NeXT's defensive end
Speaker 1: edge rushers to put pressure on, and then after that
Speaker 1: it's you know, wideouts. You put your best athletes out there.
Speaker 1: More and more teams starting from the lower levels passing
Speaker 1: more and more every single year. A lot of air
Speaker 1: raid heavy in college. We're getting it in the NFL
Speaker 1: more every single day. So instead of having you know,
Speaker 1: two running backs on every team that might be dominant,
Speaker 1: it's usually one running back, and now it's more looking
Speaker 1: like two wide receivers. A lot of combos in the
Speaker 1: top twenty as well, a lot of wide receiver combos
Speaker 1: in the top twenty, but fits. It just seemed to
Speaker 1: me harder to rank in bigger tiers among white outs. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we were talking about how some of the tiers break down,
Speaker 1: Bogs and I think both of us have the same
Speaker 1: top three, and that's kind of the super duper star tier. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I think there's like another star tier below that
Speaker 1: that goes from four to about twenty or so. Yes,
Speaker 1: and then after that like another you know, I don't know,
Speaker 1: eleven to fifteen guys who you know, could join that
Speaker 1: star tier, but maybe it's very early in their career,
Speaker 1: maybe they don't have the quarterback situation. Just some of
Speaker 1: those guys are made in their career too, you know
Speaker 1: where you know they're gonna start ticking down. So yeah, man,
Speaker 1: and then beyond that, beyond those like two top tiers,
Speaker 1: I don't know, man, it's not dart throwing, but it's
Speaker 1: very situational. It's very uh, you know, quarterback related. And
Speaker 1: you can see some of those guys beyond that tier
Speaker 1: jumping in to that third tier, right, Like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: there's just so much talent it's kind of hard to part.
Speaker 1: So I feel like where we were more argumentative in
Speaker 1: the Running Back Show, it's going to be more of
Speaker 1: I get it, you know, like I get why you
Speaker 1: would put this guy high, why I would have them
Speaker 1: a little bit lower. I think it's more of a
Speaker 1: for it's more forgiving because they are harder to rank.
Speaker 1: Would you say that? I think there will be some
Speaker 1: of that bugs, But I do see a few arguments
Speaker 1: in our future. So okay, you know, we don't want
Speaker 1: to disappoint our listeners with too agreeable of a show.
Speaker 1: And you know there's there's definitely gonna be some butting
Speaker 1: of heads at some point, so yeah, I'm looking forward
Speaker 1: to that for sure. Well, let's start with it, Uh, Fitzy,
Speaker 1: Let's just go roll through your top twelve wide receiver
Speaker 1: rankings for Dynasty as it stands right now. One more
Speaker 1: caveat and you do need to add you know, last
Speaker 1: week we added in b Sean and Gibbs. We're not
Speaker 1: adding any rookie wide receivers right now. It's just the
Speaker 1: team context is too important to wide receivers because, like
Speaker 1: we said last week, every wide receiver is connected to
Speaker 1: their quarterback. There are wide receivers that a QB proof
Speaker 1: and we will talk about some of them, I'm sure today,
Speaker 1: but most are going to really depend on who the
Speaker 1: QB is, all right, So, Boggs, I don't think we
Speaker 1: differ it all on our top three. For me, it's
Speaker 1: justin Jefferson, Jamar Chase, and Cede Lamb. And then rounding
Speaker 1: out the top twelve, I've got a J. Brown at
Speaker 1: number four, Jalen Wattle, T Higgins, Aman Ross, Saint Brown,
Speaker 1: Tyreek Hill, Garrett Wilson, Chris Olave, Stefan Diggs, Davante Adams.
Speaker 1: For me, like you said, one, two, three, Jefferson, Chase, Lamb,
Speaker 1: Tyreek Hill is my number four. Then I have a J.
Speaker 1: Brown at five Amanra at six, Cup at seven, Diggs
Speaker 1: at eight, Jaylen Waddle at nine, Chris Godwin at ten,
Speaker 1: dkm Metcalf at eleven, and t Higgins at twelve. So,
Speaker 1: you guys, did hear a decent amount of differences in here.
Speaker 1: So let's do some used car sales pitches here fits.
Speaker 1: Let's start out with Jaylen Waddle for your We'll do
Speaker 1: a couple of years first. I believe we have we
Speaker 1: both have four kind of disagreements here within the top twelve,
Speaker 1: which makes this top tier a lot of fun in
Speaker 1: my mind. But like you said, it kind of you know,
Speaker 1: then into the twos, you could you could put these guys,
Speaker 1: you know, like you said, kind of down to twenty
Speaker 1: eighteen nineteen. Somewhere in that neighborhood. You could see these
Speaker 1: guys kind of flipping. But you were on the Wattle
Speaker 1: train at five. I have him at nine. Tell me
Speaker 1: why Wattle needs to be up there. Yeah, So he
Speaker 1: just turned twenty four bogs and he has already given
Speaker 1: us two very different types of valuable fantasy seasons. Like
Speaker 1: in year one, he was this high volume possession guy,
Speaker 1: one hundred and four catches on fifteen yards, six touchdowns,
Speaker 1: only nine point eight yards per catch and an average
Speaker 1: depth of target of just seven point one yards. It
Speaker 1: was sort of like early Jarvis Landry, where he was
Speaker 1: just the short area possession receiver were throwing him a lot.
Speaker 1: Then Tyreek Hill comes in, and I don't know a
Speaker 1: by you, but I was certainly concerned about what Tyreek
Speaker 1: Hill was going to do for CDE Lamb's value. And
Speaker 1: it turns out he has an even better year. Not
Speaker 1: as many targets, fewer catches, seventy five receptions for the year,
Speaker 1: but thirteen hundred and fifty six yards, eight touchdowns, a
Speaker 1: league high eighteen point one yards per catch. I mean
Speaker 1: he almost doubled his yards per catch from the previous year. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and eleven point eight yards for his average depth of target.
Speaker 1: So he was a very difference and you know, even
Speaker 1: more valuable player in year two. So it's interesting to
Speaker 1: try to kind of reconcile those two odd types of
Speaker 1: seasons he had and what the future is going to
Speaker 1: look like for him. But I think we've seen whatever
Speaker 1: the role, like, the talent is certainly there. You know.
Speaker 1: I like to say a thing when I have no
Speaker 1: shares of a player and it's zero shares. But with
Speaker 1: Jalen Waddle this year year, I had all the shares
Speaker 1: because I love Tyreek Hill and I knew Tyreek Hill
Speaker 1: was gonna make Waddle more open. You know, he's gonna
Speaker 1: They're gonna be rolling so much coverage from with safety,
Speaker 1: you know, so much help towards Tyreek after he has
Speaker 1: one or two big plays initially that m Waddle's gonna
Speaker 1: be getting one on one to be wide. There were
Speaker 1: so many plays this season where you saw Waddle get
Speaker 1: what we would call college open where he finds a
Speaker 1: hole in the zone and no one is close to
Speaker 1: him and then he just you know, you get the
Speaker 1: ball in his hands and he is going to make
Speaker 1: a play with it. Like you said, led the league
Speaker 1: in yards per catch. Just tremendous talent. I definitely have
Speaker 1: him as a wide receiver. One My only I guess
Speaker 1: my only concern is, you know, Tyreek was outstanding with
Speaker 1: one year in this system, so how much how much
Speaker 1: is Tyreek going to dominate moving forward? But Waddle is
Speaker 1: a great talent. He's definitely one. And this is what
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Speaker 1: lots is going to a lot, a lot of stuff
Speaker 1: is going to be added to that. But the second
Speaker 1: guy that you're higher than me on here fits is
Speaker 1: T Higgins, who once again the second half of a
Speaker 1: dominating type of receiver. Jamar Chase at two, Higgins at six.
Speaker 1: I have Chase it two and Higgins at twelve. We're still,
Speaker 1: you know, within the realm of wide receiver one here,
Speaker 1: but you do have him six spots ahead of me,
Speaker 1: so I have to hand it over to you to
Speaker 1: tell us about te Higgins and why you're so high
Speaker 1: on him. Sure, box and I'll lay down the caveat
Speaker 1: bed for me. There's not a lot of separation between
Speaker 1: like number five and number thirteen. Yeah, thirteen. The guy
Speaker 1: didn't even read off, was Cooper cop right. That's the
Speaker 1: tyre we're talking about. That's why it goes. It goes
Speaker 1: beyond wide receiver one. But there is I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: there is that marker at twelve that people you know,
Speaker 1: you take that as you will, and you have it's
Speaker 1: hard to split between a wide receiver one and two
Speaker 1: and there and he is a top half of wide
Speaker 1: receiver one for you, te Higgins. So I like it.
Speaker 1: He is great And I think my elevator pitch, can
Speaker 1: you know, I can sneak it in before we even
Speaker 1: move two floors in the elevator box. He just turned
Speaker 1: twenty four. He's tied to a great quarterback, and I
Speaker 1: think we now have to acknowledge that Burrow is a
Speaker 1: great quarterback. Yeah, and Ta Higgins is just really good man.
Speaker 1: Like you see it. He passes the eye test. I
Speaker 1: have no doubts about the talent and that he could
Speaker 1: be a wide receiver one if Jamar Chase weren't around.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to let the presence of Jamar Chase
Speaker 1: determine from being in on te Higgins. I am one
Speaker 1: hundred percent with you in well for a couple of
Speaker 1: reasons not to, you know, And I talked about this
Speaker 1: in the offseason on stages a lot about how you
Speaker 1: have to get out of your mind that te Higgins
Speaker 1: is a bee. He's not a bee. He's a one.
Speaker 1: He's a one A. You have chases one, he is
Speaker 1: a one, A whatever, whatever you say, he's not a bee.
Speaker 1: The reason I have him a little bit lower is
Speaker 1: because he is an undrestricted free agent after this season
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty three. And look, the Bengals have a
Speaker 1: lot of cap space as it stands right now. But
Speaker 1: Burrows on a rookie contract, Chases on a rookie contract,
Speaker 1: that gotta fix that offensive line. Still need a little
Speaker 1: bit bit more help on defense as well. Not saying
Speaker 1: that they can't fix most of these problems through the draft,
Speaker 1: because they've done an excellent job at drafting obviously, any
Speaker 1: position that's not an offensive lineman recently they've been really
Speaker 1: good with. So they can fix part of this, and
Speaker 1: they may end up paying te Higgins, but there's a
Speaker 1: chance that they decide they want to save the money
Speaker 1: for Burrow, for Chase to fix this offensive line, and
Speaker 1: Higgins ends up somewhere else. I mean, there are plenty
Speaker 1: of teams that need a number one wide receiver, and
Speaker 1: he would be tied to a you know what we
Speaker 1: see right now as a potential all time QB in
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow. I mean, you know, he is absolutely elite
Speaker 1: at this point. He's let his team. You know, the
Speaker 1: Bengals hadn't won a playoff game since nineteen ninety before
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow came in. I mean, with Carson Palmer starting
Speaker 1: there for ever, with Andy Dalton starting there forever, they
Speaker 1: and won a playoff game. And they're on the cusp
Speaker 1: of going to the Super Bowl back to back seasons
Speaker 1: with Joe Burrows. So I think it is safe to
Speaker 1: say that Joe Burrow is absolutely elite. My only concern
Speaker 1: with Higgins and I still have him as a wide
Speaker 1: receiver one is maybe the Bengals decide not to pay him.
Speaker 1: It seems silly right now, but that's a lot of
Speaker 1: money to think about. When you think about Burrow and
Speaker 1: you think about Chase, and I think those guys are
Speaker 1: gonna be priority one. So maybe Higgins walks, but we'll
Speaker 1: end up seeing there the next guy, the next two.
Speaker 1: I'll put them together here for you, fits nine and ten.
Speaker 1: You have Garrett Wilson at nine, I have him at fifteen.
Speaker 1: You have Stephan Diggs at or excuse me, you have
Speaker 1: Crystal Lave at ten. I have him at sixteen. But
Speaker 1: once again, for me, this comes into you know, three
Speaker 1: or excuse me, four through seventeen ish for me, and
Speaker 1: maybe eighteen. I'll throw Deebo in there when we get
Speaker 1: to him. That's a tier man. So I have these
Speaker 1: guys in the same tier, but you're putting them as
Speaker 1: wide receiver ones after their rookie season. Tell me why
Speaker 1: you're excited about these two guys. Yeah, just how well
Speaker 1: they hit the ground running in their rookie seasons and
Speaker 1: pretty much establishing their credentials as future stars. And Gary Wilson,
Speaker 1: I mean, like, I don't think I gave him enough
Speaker 1: credit coming into the draft for what he does so
Speaker 1: extraordinarily well. And he is as quick as a hiccup
Speaker 1: off the line of scrimmage bogs, And I mean like,
Speaker 1: no one gets open faster than Garrett Wilson in the league.
Speaker 1: Like he's the way he can shake guys off the
Speaker 1: line of scrimmage. I shouldn't say no one. I mean,
Speaker 1: there's some other pretty remarkable wide receivers as far as
Speaker 1: like making that first explosive step off the line and
Speaker 1: beating people that way. But you know, his footwork is
Speaker 1: something extraordinary. And for him to catch eighty three passes
Speaker 1: and have an eleven hundred yard season with the quarterback
Speaker 1: situation the Jets had this year is pretty remarkable. So
Speaker 1: no doubt about Garrett Wilson's bright future. And I could
Speaker 1: say the same of Chris Olave, who had to play
Speaker 1: with Andy Dalton for most of his rookie season and uh,
Speaker 1: you know, he missed two games and still had seventy
Speaker 1: two catches and one forty two yards fast, terrific route runner,
Speaker 1: deep speed, but can also be, like, you know, more
Speaker 1: of an intermediate receiver if you need him to be.
Speaker 1: Just both of these guys so much polish for rookies,
Speaker 1: like they just belonged from day one, And uh, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm really excited about both of these guys going forward. Man,
Speaker 1: these Ohio State guys were incredible and can you believe
Speaker 1: bogs that they had Olave, Garrett Wilson, Marvin Harrison Junior
Speaker 1: and Jackson Smith and Jigbo is part of the same
Speaker 1: wide receiver cord. That's just I mean, it's it's insane.
Speaker 1: They have Trevion Henderson who right now will be the
Speaker 1: number one running back in next year's draft as well. CG.
Speaker 1: Stroud's going to be a top four QB off the
Speaker 1: board at worst, like they are pumping out the talent
Speaker 1: at Ohio State. That got a bunch of offensive lineman
Speaker 1: that'll go early as well. So yeah, man, both these
Speaker 1: guys are great. The only reason I have them below,
Speaker 1: you know, wide receiver one is the quarterback situation for
Speaker 1: both them, and they were both amazing with garbage QB
Speaker 1: situations this year. So there's meat on the bone for
Speaker 1: these guys to rise for sure. And I believe, just
Speaker 1: going what you said, like you know, uh, Garrett Wilson
Speaker 1: getting off the line, I believe the only wide receiver
Speaker 1: that that forced more misstackles than him was Debot and
Speaker 1: half of that is Debo getting the ball behind the
Speaker 1: line of scrimmage and making those guys miss so Garrett
Speaker 1: Wilson an incredible year, so did Chris olav both extremely
Speaker 1: talented players here. The guys that I have up here
Speaker 1: that you're a little bit lower on my number four
Speaker 1: is Tyreek Hill, And I think this is more of
Speaker 1: a you know, to me, this is more of a
Speaker 1: difference in how you look at Dynasty, because I look
Speaker 1: at the three year window almost always, whether it be
Speaker 1: keeper or Dynasty, you know. And the reason I do
Speaker 1: that is because I pin in, you know, in a
Speaker 1: lot of leagues that have shut down. So I want
Speaker 1: to get I want to start. I want to start fast.
Speaker 1: I want to get that ring in the first couple
Speaker 1: of seasons in Dynasty while people are building their team.
Speaker 1: I want to take some of those vets that will
Speaker 1: get me to a championship. I want to trade some
Speaker 1: draft picks to bring in, you know, a piece that
Speaker 1: is missing on my team. I want to make moves
Speaker 1: early just to make sure I get that ring first.
Speaker 1: And I'm investing you know, money, ring, you know, flags
Speaker 1: fly forever, however you want to say it. I want
Speaker 1: to win early to make sure that, hey, if something
Speaker 1: happens this league, I got mine. So I have a
Speaker 1: couple of these older guys higher. I have Tyreek a
Speaker 1: or you have him at eight a Cooper Cup at seven,
Speaker 1: you have him at thirteen. And it's because I am
Speaker 1: looking a little bit more in a three year window
Speaker 1: than Dynasty long long term. So that is probably I
Speaker 1: think the difference because in terms of talent, there's no doubt.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, the gold standard of if you're
Speaker 1: choosing one, if you're choosing one stat fits in my
Speaker 1: opinion for a wide receiver, it would be yards per
Speaker 1: route run because that is volume and production together. And
Speaker 1: Tyreek Hill was the only wide receiver over three and
Speaker 1: I believe number two was two point five five and
Speaker 1: yards per route run and he rans so many routes too,
Speaker 1: So I mean, you're not putting Tyreek out there to block.
Speaker 1: That's like towing your boat with your Ferrari. You know
Speaker 1: that's not something you're going to be doing. So Cooper
Speaker 1: Cup is coming off an injury. There are questions right
Speaker 1: now with the offense. You know, specifically quarterback, is Matt
Speaker 1: Stafford coming back. We know Sean mcvay's back, so that's
Speaker 1: a big bonus in Cooper Cup's favor. He averaged the
Speaker 1: most points per game even though he missed a bunch
Speaker 1: of games, he's still over twenty two points per game
Speaker 1: this year is twenty five last year, So he's kind
Speaker 1: of hitting his prime as well. In terms of that,
Speaker 1: you know a guy that had less production early in
Speaker 1: his career, which also means to take less hits, which
Speaker 1: means maybe you last a little bit longer on the
Speaker 1: back end. So that's why Hill and Cup inside, you know,
Speaker 1: Hill at number four and Cup at number seven is
Speaker 1: because I am looking for immediate production at the very
Speaker 1: top end, and these are in redraft. These are guys
Speaker 1: that could go, you know. I mean, I don't think anyone.
Speaker 1: No one is still taking Tyrek at number one because
Speaker 1: of Jefferson in Chase, but I wouldn't bat an eye
Speaker 1: if someone took him number one because he is. I
Speaker 1: think he proved this year playing with Teddy Bridgewater and
Speaker 1: Skyler Thompson for a big chunk of games that he
Speaker 1: is absolutely hubproof. It doesn't matter who you put out there,
Speaker 1: he's catching the ball and he's going to be productive. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm maybe agist to a fault in Dynasty Bogs
Speaker 1: and um like that's kind of why I have Tyreek
Speaker 1: Hill and Cooper Cup ranked a little lower, and you
Speaker 1: mentioned the quarterback situations being sort of uncertain for both guys,
Speaker 1: you know, and it would be that's another concern I
Speaker 1: have with Tyreek Hill, and spec could say, you know,
Speaker 1: but but like I have Jalen Waddle ranked high, and
Speaker 1: you could say, well, if the quarterback situation is concerning
Speaker 1: for Hill, why wouldn't it be for Waddle with a
Speaker 1: younger player. I'm a little less worried about it because
Speaker 1: I feel like there's more time for Waddle to get
Speaker 1: his quarterback situation right, like to aligns up not playing
Speaker 1: football again. And you know, certainly I don't know that
Speaker 1: that's going to be the case or what the probabilities
Speaker 1: are there, but like there's a long window for Waddle's
Speaker 1: career and you know, eventually he's going to be playing
Speaker 1: with a quarterback The Dolphins or or Waddle's next team
Speaker 1: feels good about. Whereas Tyreek Hill, like he has to
Speaker 1: make his he has to make his money for his
Speaker 1: dynasty owners. Now. Yeah, like Hill has to produce right away,
Speaker 1: and you know, his his managers need him to be
Speaker 1: with an effective quarterback in the next couple of years.
Speaker 1: And if the Dolphins have to start from scratch at
Speaker 1: the QB position, Like that's kind of alarming with an
Speaker 1: older player at wide receiver. If I told you that
Speaker 1: Jimmy G was going to be the quarterback of the
Speaker 1: Dolphins for the next three seasons, where would you put
Speaker 1: where would you put Tyreek? Would Would he not move
Speaker 1: him that much? Or would he come up a little
Speaker 1: bit for you? Yeah? I mean that. I mean it
Speaker 1: would be pretty kind of a lateral move, Like I
Speaker 1: think that would be enough to sustain it. I'd much
Speaker 1: rather see him with Tuah right Like, it wouldn't it
Speaker 1: wouldn't hurt. I was just thinking like league average, you know,
Speaker 1: because I think Jimmy G is pretty league average. He
Speaker 1: would he would be if they did have to move
Speaker 1: on from Wattle. That would be a good bridge quarterback
Speaker 1: to facilitates those receivers for at least a year. I
Speaker 1: always think in terms of like Andy Prime, Andy Dalton
Speaker 1: is like exactly a middling NFL QB, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, like maybe a little bit better than middling.
Speaker 1: Maybe I'm not giving Andy Dalton as dund forever, but
Speaker 1: and prime Andy Dalton floated some amazing aj Green seasons. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Chad Johnson was there for Dalton with Dalton for a
Speaker 1: little bit and Palmer but yeah, uhmizz yeah, those old commercials.
Speaker 1: But yeah, that's why I'm That's why I figured I
Speaker 1: would have the older guys a little bit higher where
Speaker 1: I have where you have Wilson at nine and Olave
Speaker 1: at ten. The guys that sneak into my wide receiver
Speaker 1: ones a little bit older, Chris Godwin and DK Metcalf.
Speaker 1: This is more for me. This is more about seasoning
Speaker 1: and like everything was going wrong in Tampa Bay this
Speaker 1: year they fired left which Tom Brady looks like he's
Speaker 1: on his last legs. Of course we've heard this story before,
Speaker 1: but he is in his mid forties. Is the last
Speaker 1: player in the league that's older than me, So you know,
Speaker 1: I feel good about that. But when he retires, all
Speaker 1: those birthdays are going to be, you know, younger than
Speaker 1: me fits so that makes me a little depressed. But
Speaker 1: Godwin and Metcalf aren't guys that have established what they
Speaker 1: are over like two or three seasons. So I just
Speaker 1: know for sure that these guys are premium white outs.
Speaker 1: That is the only reason I put them ahead of
Speaker 1: Wilson Olave. It's not that I don't think that Wilson
Speaker 1: or Olave will be awesome. I think they both will
Speaker 1: be great. I could see them passing these guys in
Speaker 1: the next year or two. I just know for sure
Speaker 1: what I have in Godwin and Metcalfe, and that made me,
Speaker 1: It just made me rank them a little bit higher
Speaker 1: than those guys overall, because both these guys could be
Speaker 1: in rough QB situations, just like Wilson and Olave might
Speaker 1: be after this season, because Brady could retire and then
Speaker 1: what are you going to Blaine Gabbert or Kyle Trask?
Speaker 1: Are you bringing in someone, are you drafting someone? Are
Speaker 1: you trying to pay a free age in the next
Speaker 1: couple of years? And you know, Gino had a fantastic
Speaker 1: year for Seattle, but he is clearly not the answer
Speaker 1: long term for that team, So they could go through
Speaker 1: QB growing pains as well. I think that plane as
Speaker 1: far as it goes for these Whiteouts, it's kind of
Speaker 1: equal for the young guys. It's just the multiple years
Speaker 1: of great production from Godwin and metcalf that we've seen
Speaker 1: versus one season. That's the only reason why I have
Speaker 1: those guys a little bit ranked ahead and once again,
Speaker 1: you know, a little less agist than fit. See that's all.
Speaker 1: So yeah, So I don't have too much of a
Speaker 1: beef with either of those guys. And in fact, I'm
Speaker 1: heavily invested in both Metcalf and Godwin in Dynasty myself.
Speaker 1: With Godwin, I just I think he's terrific. I wonder
Speaker 1: if we haven't already seen the ceiling with his thirteen
Speaker 1: hundred yard ten touchdown season in twenty twenty. Like basically
Speaker 1: right now, he's a more inconsistent version of Mike Evans.
Speaker 1: And like I kind of I kind of think the
Speaker 1: you know, if if he develops the way we want
Speaker 1: him to develop, he turns into Mike Evans where he
Speaker 1: just book him for a thousand yards and ten touchdowns
Speaker 1: every season more or less. And I know, you know,
Speaker 1: people are gonna have pick nets and say, Mike Evans
Speaker 1: didn't have ten touchdowns every season, but pretty darn close
Speaker 1: to it, Boggs, as you know, and uh, you know,
Speaker 1: like maybe as freakish as an athlete as this guy is, Uh,
Speaker 1: there is another gear there, but I don't know. I mean,
Speaker 1: Evans is a pretty freak athlete too. It's just like
Speaker 1: I don't think DK is ever going to be the
Speaker 1: elite separator. The ball skills are great, the ross feat
Speaker 1: is great, but um, you know, I just don't know
Speaker 1: if he has the route running chops to ever be
Speaker 1: the guy who's gonna like catch a hundred balls for you. Right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't expect that from him either. I just think
Speaker 1: that this the touchdowns could become huge, and he's just
Speaker 1: he's built so different at the shots that he takes
Speaker 1: are they're not slowing him down while he takes them.
Speaker 1: So over the course of his career, while he may
Speaker 1: take you know, it may I think it may come
Speaker 1: to a sudden stop his career, but that middle is
Speaker 1: going to be so unbelievably productive that he is going
Speaker 1: to float in that you know, wide receiver one, wide
Speaker 1: receiver two range at worst in his career. The floor
Speaker 1: is gonna be very very high for him. Like you said,
Speaker 1: not the Jefferson chase Ceedee Lamb, where you're not moving
Speaker 1: him into the slot, he can't move around. You're not
Speaker 1: designing all kinds of crazy routes for him or trick place.
Speaker 1: He's never going to be a reverse guy like Deebo. Right.
Speaker 1: He is very specific in his role, but that role
Speaker 1: could get a lot of touchdowns and he's only played
Speaker 1: like if this is the same Russell Wilson that we
Speaker 1: saw him playing with last year and then Gino Smith
Speaker 1: just put put someone real good in there and see
Speaker 1: what he does. That is what I would like to see,
Speaker 1: But we don't know. We don't know if he's at
Speaker 1: least had functional quarterbacks though, you know, I mean, if
Speaker 1: he played with a star, maybe there's another gear. And
Speaker 1: just a quick word on Godwin Boggs. I guess one
Speaker 1: of my main concerns with him is that he has
Speaker 1: had some pretty pumped up volume years like Brady Tom
Speaker 1: Brady led the NFL in past attempts last year and
Speaker 1: I believe this year also. There was also that twenty
Speaker 1: nineteen season where Jameis Winston threw it over six hundred times.
Speaker 1: So I think Godwin has kind of benefited from this
Speaker 1: like insanely pass heavy Buccaneers offense definitely has. And he
Speaker 1: still has not been a prolific touchdown scorer. He had
Speaker 1: a nine touchdown season, a couple of seven touchdown seasons,
Speaker 1: but he's one of those guys who's not going to
Speaker 1: give you those double digit touchdown seasons at all. It's
Speaker 1: just kind of not really his role. And he's going
Speaker 1: to be twenty seven. He's not young anymore. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I like him a lot. I'm just like, there are
Speaker 1: a few reservations in Dynasty about this is the guy
Speaker 1: I was, And I'm actually surprised because my biggest concern
Speaker 1: with him is is probably more of the injury stuff,
Speaker 1: you know, because he you know, he's been a little
Speaker 1: injury plagued. He had a major injury his first year
Speaker 1: in the season, so you know, he came off this year.
Speaker 1: He was working his way back off of stuff. But
Speaker 1: I don't he is twenty seven, but I don't know
Speaker 1: that we've seen peak from him yet. I don't know
Speaker 1: that we've seen his best. Maybe we have, but also
Speaker 1: he's the opposite of Decay, where I think there could
Speaker 1: be meat on the bone with touchdowns and stuff. I
Speaker 1: think the floor is incredibly high for Chris Godwin because
Speaker 1: he's going to get so many targets every single year
Speaker 1: because he's always open. He is the elite separatory, so
Speaker 1: you know, he is just gonna his floor is gonna
Speaker 1: be very high, although his ceiling may not be as
Speaker 1: high as a couple of those other guys. But you're
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Speaker 1: Receiver Two's FITZI who is thirteen through twenty four for you?
Speaker 1: So I've got Cooper Cup as mentioned before, DeVonta Smith,
Speaker 1: Drake London, DK Metcalf, Chris Godwin, Michael Pittman is at
Speaker 1: wide Receiver eighteen, d J. Moore, Christian Watson, Jamison Williams,
Speaker 1: Traylon Burke's, Deebo, Samuel and John Dotson. For me, I've
Speaker 1: got Davante at thirteen, Vante Davante Adams at thirteen, Davante
Speaker 1: Smith at fourteen. Then I have Wilson Olave as I
Speaker 1: mentioned before, Jamison Williams at seventeen, Debo at eighteen, Drake
Speaker 1: London at nineteen, Brandon Ayuk at twenty, Michael Pittman at
Speaker 1: twenty one, Jared Judy at twenty two, Marquis Brown at
Speaker 1: twenty three, and George Pickens at twenty four. We don't
Speaker 1: have his many arguments here. Let me let's first start
Speaker 1: by talking about Adams. You have him at twelve, I'm
Speaker 1: at thirteen. I found him to be the most difficult
Speaker 1: player to rank because I wouldn't mind if someone put
Speaker 1: him in the top five. Even though he is older,
Speaker 1: he's still putting it together. We saw him put it
Speaker 1: together with you know, Derek Carr who got canned, and
Speaker 1: Jared Stidham. He had coold games with him. So DeVante
Speaker 1: is QB proof. He's an elite talent. He's just older
Speaker 1: than some of these guys, and he's had a lot
Speaker 1: of workload recently too, So I don't know fits you
Speaker 1: watched him a lot in Bay he is thirty one
Speaker 1: or he's he's thirty. He just turned thirty, so he's
Speaker 1: over that hill. Was Davantae tough to rank for you? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I think we've got him in the right spot.
Speaker 1: Bogs fabulously talented. You mentioned the three year window, and
Speaker 1: I think he's going to give you three really good years,
Speaker 1: although you know, it's a little concerning that they are
Speaker 1: starting anew with the quarterback situation in Las Vegas. So
Speaker 1: I think this is the spot for him though, Like
Speaker 1: he's too good not to produce no matter who the
Speaker 1: quarterback is. And you know, we people were freaked out
Speaker 1: that the first week Jared Stidham was starting for the
Speaker 1: Raiders and and DeVante totally went off that week. So
Speaker 1: no matter who the quarterback is, it doesn't have to
Speaker 1: be Aaron Rodgers, it doesn't even have to be Derek Carr.
Speaker 1: I think Adams is going to get his numbers completely
Speaker 1: QB proof, which is just rare. You know, Hopkins, remember
Speaker 1: all those clowns that Hopkins played for in Houston before
Speaker 1: Watson came along. I'm Osweiler was in there, t J.
Speaker 1: Yates was in like it was bad, and Hopkins was
Speaker 1: still putting up monster fifteen hundred yard seasons. So Davante,
Speaker 1: same deal. You know, it doesn't matter who the QB is.
Speaker 1: As long as they throw the ball in his general direction,
Speaker 1: he's coming down with it. So last wide receiver one
Speaker 1: for you, First wide receiver two for me. Just in
Speaker 1: that range, I just want to talk about him because
Speaker 1: I found him difficult to rank two guys that you have.
Speaker 1: You actually have three guys in this range. We have
Speaker 1: a couple different, but the ones that I wanted to
Speaker 1: talk about. Where you've got DJ Moore at nineteen, I've
Speaker 1: got him at thirty. I'm a little lower. Burks you
Speaker 1: have at twenty two. I got him at thirty five,
Speaker 1: and Dotson you have at twenty four and I have
Speaker 1: at thirty four. I think the age stuff is probably
Speaker 1: most of Burks and Dotson for us. I'm looking more
Speaker 1: in a shorter window. Even in Dynasty DJ Moore at
Speaker 1: nineteen and thirty. Though I love DJ Moore, the talent
Speaker 1: is incredible. I am truly afraid of what they're doing
Speaker 1: with the coaching staff, what they're doing at quarterback for
Speaker 1: this guy, because he's incredibly talented. But I want to
Speaker 1: see him out of Carolina quick or I want to
Speaker 1: see them add a quarterback that's definitely gonna work because
Speaker 1: they played musical chairs the last couple of years and
Speaker 1: it hasn't. So tell me about DJ Moore and then
Speaker 1: tell me about the young guns as well. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: this is this is one. This could be a borderline
Speaker 1: argument here, Box. I'm kind of surprised you didn't have
Speaker 1: DJ Moore ranked higher, you know what. And it's when
Speaker 1: I looked at it, I think this is the one
Speaker 1: where I was like, yeah, I'm probably gonna have to
Speaker 1: move more up a little bit. Yeah. I mean it's
Speaker 1: three one thousand yards seasons before he had turned twenty
Speaker 1: five years old, Like just this prolific production at a
Speaker 1: tender age, and that's with some woeful quarterbacking. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: that's the thing. I mean, you mentioned the situation and
Speaker 1: how like you don't like the ecosystem, and I totally
Speaker 1: get it. I don't like the ecosystem either, But he's
Speaker 1: produced in some pretty you know, oxygen deprived ecosystems, and
Speaker 1: like what happens when they finally get things straightened out
Speaker 1: for him, like the sky's the limit or if he
Speaker 1: eventually goes somewhere else, but like he didn't get through
Speaker 1: a thousand yards this year he would have with Sam Darnald.
Speaker 1: That's the weird thing, like he and Sam. Like Sam
Speaker 1: Darnald was able to make Dj Moore work and somehow
Speaker 1: the Baker Mayfield thing just didn't work at all with
Speaker 1: DJ Moore, So entering it just his age twenty sixth
Speaker 1: season with already this established baseline of being, you know,
Speaker 1: a nearer star level performer. I think he gets to
Speaker 1: the star level at some point soon, once that ecosystem
Speaker 1: finally gets straightened out. Man. I hope he is on
Speaker 1: a contract until after the twenty twenty five season. It's
Speaker 1: not a UFA till twenty twenty six, so that is
Speaker 1: that's my big thing with him. I love him. You know,
Speaker 1: I was high on Dj Moore coming out of Maryland.
Speaker 1: Just a supreme route runner, you know, always open. He
Speaker 1: just we're not getting him the ball. And then they
Speaker 1: were giving Christian McCaffrey everything, and you know, they still
Speaker 1: ended up trading him. I hope we can get more
Speaker 1: out of here. It's just ownership down the Panthers kind
Speaker 1: of scare me, so I'm not I think Panther's overall,
Speaker 1: this is the best one by a wide margin. You
Speaker 1: know Dj Moore, but Panther's overall I'm probably gonna be
Speaker 1: down on just because, like, what were they doing keeping
Speaker 1: Matt Rule? They made Matt Rule fire all of his assistants.
Speaker 1: I don't know this goes into more team building stuff.
Speaker 1: But tell me about the young guys Burks and Dotson,
Speaker 1: because I like both these guys. I just I couldn't
Speaker 1: push him up. I have I mean, we'll get to
Speaker 1: it in the next one, but I have a stack
Speaker 1: of veterans in front of these guys. So tell me
Speaker 1: about Burks and Dotson. Yeah, and I realized I'm probably
Speaker 1: a little above consensus on Traylon Burks and Johan Dotson.
Speaker 1: And you know, both guys, I think we saw encouraging
Speaker 1: signs from them in sort of limited roles, not limited
Speaker 1: roles necessarily, but they both missed some time with injuries.
Speaker 1: Like so Dots and heavily have not seen the best
Speaker 1: of either one of these guys yet. Yeah. Twelve games
Speaker 1: for Dots and eleven games for Burkes in their rookie years.
Speaker 1: Dots and seven touchdowns in twelve games, just a hair
Speaker 1: under fifteen yards per catch. Everything we liked about him
Speaker 1: coming out of Penn state materialized on the field, the speed,
Speaker 1: the hands. We talked about his you know how for
Speaker 1: a smaller receiver, how he's just like he's got that
Speaker 1: Tyreek Hill thing where he's so competitive for balls in
Speaker 1: the air, like he play is much bigger than his size.
Speaker 1: So we saw a lot of that and part of
Speaker 1: the reason he had such a nice touchdown rate in
Speaker 1: his first season. And then Burks, I mean bugs, he
Speaker 1: kind of reminds me a little of a discount Deebo Samuel. Yes,
Speaker 1: when you get the ball in this dude's hands and
Speaker 1: just let him do work, Yeah, you know, and Deebo,
Speaker 1: I mean like Debo is just extraordinary in that regard.
Speaker 1: I'm not putting Burkes on quite the same level as
Speaker 1: far as he can. Yeah, just lethal with the ball
Speaker 1: in his hands. But he's really good with the ball
Speaker 1: in his hands. He's a big dude, He's hard to tackle.
Speaker 1: He moves well for a big dude. He's got a
Speaker 1: little bit of shimmy in the open field. Um, just
Speaker 1: like every time they would get the ball to him
Speaker 1: on some little quick slant, there was like a little
Speaker 1: crackle of electricity there. And you know, I may just
Speaker 1: to see more of adio, the conditioning problems early in
Speaker 1: the like training camp, a toe injury, a concussion during
Speaker 1: the season, Like, I just want to see this guy
Speaker 1: healthy and hopefully with like some sort of functional quarterback situation.
Speaker 1: He also had to operate with, you know, Ryan Tannehill. Yeah, yes, exactly.
Speaker 1: It was bleak. Yeah, it really was. Like I am
Speaker 1: super excited about trailing and you you talking him up
Speaker 1: juices me up for him too, Fitzy. I want to
Speaker 1: move him up my board like this second, because I
Speaker 1: can see the talent there. I am just so concerned
Speaker 1: about Willis leading this team and being the guy there.
Speaker 1: You know, um, I completely whiffed. I thought Willis was
Speaker 1: the number one quarterback in this class. Didn't go until
Speaker 1: the third round. I thought that was so weird. But
Speaker 1: seeing him on the field after Tannehill went down, not
Speaker 1: to say that he can't get there, but he is
Speaker 1: not anywhere close to there as it stands right now, Fitzy.
Speaker 1: So the nice thing as the box they didn't they
Speaker 1: did not sink enough draft capit capital into him where
Speaker 1: they have to commit to him as their quarterback of
Speaker 1: the future. They can absolutely pivot and keep the backup.
Speaker 1: And they had the worst offensive line in the NFL,
Speaker 1: but wide margin last year, so that could be the
Speaker 1: main crux of this fix the old line. Now Malik
Speaker 1: Wills and Derrick Henry are working together and Burks is,
Speaker 1: you know, getting open, and let's use Burks a little
Speaker 1: more properly, like you said, let's put him in the slot,
Speaker 1: let's find it, give him short routes, let's find a
Speaker 1: way to put the ball in this dude's hands. And
Speaker 1: then they didn't do enough for that last year. So
Speaker 1: it was frustrating to me. Yeah, and that's kind of it, Bogs.
Speaker 1: I mean, like, in a way, the deficiencies the Titans
Speaker 1: have a quarterback and offensive line could maybe work in
Speaker 1: Burke's favor a little bit because you know, at Arkansas
Speaker 1: he was very much and this was one of the
Speaker 1: concerns that a lot of the prospect people had with
Speaker 1: Burke's coming out that all of his touches are so
Speaker 1: many of his touches were manufactured at Arkansas. Yea, they
Speaker 1: need to manufacture touches for him in Tennessee next year
Speaker 1: because like, you're not gonna they don't have the system
Speaker 1: in place where he's gonna be like some you know,
Speaker 1: deep average depth of target guy yeah, operating guy, yeahteen
Speaker 1: yards twenty yards down field, Like, get him the ball
Speaker 1: close to the line of scrimmage and let him do
Speaker 1: his thing. A ladebo Samuel God, I'm so excited to
Speaker 1: watch this guy this year. I mean, he is going
Speaker 1: to be great. And Dotson is a supreme town as
Speaker 1: well as mcclaurin's there. I really don't like Sam Howe,
Speaker 1: and they're they're saying that Sam Howe is going to
Speaker 1: get the first shot to start this year. I don't
Speaker 1: know if I wholly and completely believe that. I think
Speaker 1: that's gassing him up so he feels good in the offseason.
Speaker 1: So we'll see what happens there. But for Dotson, it's
Speaker 1: more about the QB situation than anything else there. Get
Speaker 1: that fixed great, but it's a year of Sam Howell,
Speaker 1: and I don't think that's gonna go very well if
Speaker 1: he is the guy. So I think they might maybe
Speaker 1: back to the drawing board next year, and that that
Speaker 1: can be a long process. I mean, for the Browns,
Speaker 1: it's been years. For the Jets, it's been years, you know,
Speaker 1: So hopefully they don't get stuck in that cycle of
Speaker 1: bad QBS. For a while during his career. So the
Speaker 1: two guys I have on this list that I wanted
Speaker 1: to point out fits where I have I look at
Speaker 1: twenty you have him at twenty eight, at Marquis, at
Speaker 1: twenty three, you have him at thirty eight. The thing
Speaker 1: with Io for me is that and we saw kind
Speaker 1: of this transition fits where up until Purdy took over,
Speaker 1: Debo was starting to lose a lot of steam, right
Speaker 1: he was losing a lot of steam, and I was
Speaker 1: the guy in San Francisco. Debo was the two Purdie
Speaker 1: comes in. The reason to me that we saw Ayo
Speaker 1: kind of take a back seat to Debo after Purdy
Speaker 1: came in is because Ayuk is very a timing route
Speaker 1: He's a route tactician. He's one of the best in
Speaker 1: the NFL at running his routes, you know, getting open,
Speaker 1: finding space, that kind of stuff. But it's a lot
Speaker 1: of timing based routes and things like that. And when
Speaker 1: you have a rookie quarterback, he's not going to be
Speaker 1: gassed up and timed perfectly with those wide receivers. That's
Speaker 1: something that develops with those guys. But you can kind
Speaker 1: of see it starting to come into fruition the last game,
Speaker 1: I look great with Purdie. I think we're gonna see
Speaker 1: that going into next year. They're gonna have more time.
Speaker 1: It seems like what we've heard from this organization is
Speaker 1: that I you know, Purdie is going to be the
Speaker 1: guy moving forward. Maybe they trade Trey Lance, maybe they
Speaker 1: keep him as his back up. I don't know. These
Speaker 1: are kind of the riles that we've heard behind the scenes.
Speaker 1: Nothing obviously it's been officially announced, but if they get
Speaker 1: to the NFC, you know, if they get to the
Speaker 1: super Bowl with Brock Purty, hard to put that guy
Speaker 1: out of a job. You know, he's been outstanding. So
Speaker 1: I think that's something that will develop with Purty in
Speaker 1: the offseason and this season. And I just think in terms,
Speaker 1: I have Debo a little bit higher than him, because
Speaker 1: once again, I'm working that three year window. But Debo
Speaker 1: is a guy. If they keep giving him all these
Speaker 1: rushing attempts, he is going to have a shorter than
Speaker 1: average wide receiver career in the NFL because he's just
Speaker 1: gonna be taking bigger hits. Ayuk is going to be
Speaker 1: there for a while, so you know, I think if
Speaker 1: I'm going for right now to win, I'm taking Debo,
Speaker 1: But longer term, I want Ayu because I think the
Speaker 1: connection is going to be there with Purty. So that's
Speaker 1: why I like him. What are your thoughts on Ayuk
Speaker 1: moving forward? It's funny, Bogs that he was in the
Speaker 1: doghouse in his rookie year because it just seems like,
Speaker 1: I mean, he's developed into such an amazing all around
Speaker 1: receiver now, Like, the guy is a phenomenal blocker as
Speaker 1: a wide receiver. We saw that when he sprung Debo
Speaker 1: for that big game. Yeah, that long touchdown against the
Speaker 1: Seahawks and the wildcard round. But yeah, Like my concern
Speaker 1: is that we are going to be looking at Ayuk
Speaker 1: is like a better real life player than fantasy player
Speaker 1: maybe for the early stages of his career, just because
Speaker 1: of the amount of talent surrounding him. Uh you know, McCaffrey, Debo, Kittle,
Speaker 1: you know who says they're done adding to the wide
Speaker 1: receiver room. Um, Like, I just worry about that that
Speaker 1: he's maybe never going to get the target volume that
Speaker 1: he deserves. And they you know, this is another team
Speaker 1: that's going to have to make sure they get the
Speaker 1: quarterback situation straight. It's working with Purdy right now, and
Speaker 1: I personally think it's gonna be Trey Lance next year.
Speaker 1: And I like Lance, but they do have to like
Speaker 1: figure out which way they're going at quarterback. Do they
Speaker 1: have you know, kind of doesn't matter. I mean they
Speaker 1: all they might not. Yes, So they've all worked and
Speaker 1: they're all, you know, seemingly premium. It's frustrating to me
Speaker 1: that Kenny pickt Brock party are basically the same guy
Speaker 1: and one win in the first round and the other
Speaker 1: was the last pick in the draft. But let's get
Speaker 1: to our argument because I want to argue about Marquise Brown.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, markis Brown. I have a twenty three. You
Speaker 1: got him at thirty eight. This was I think the
Speaker 1: biggest difference that we have here and fits. I mean,
Speaker 1: for me, this is a guy that's going to be
Speaker 1: in a new offensive system. They want to trade DeAndre Hopkins.
Speaker 1: This is a clear number one. I'm excited to see
Speaker 1: him out of Baltimore right because they don't throw the
Speaker 1: ball enough in Baltimore. He got hurt this year. He
Speaker 1: was banged up, didn't really develop. There was a lot
Speaker 1: of issues with Cliff Kingsbury and Kyler Murray this year,
Speaker 1: so I think hitting the reset button, but with a
Speaker 1: decent quarterback that is willing to throw the ball down
Speaker 1: field is going to be huge for him, especially getting
Speaker 1: Hopkins out of there and having this guy be the
Speaker 1: number one wide out now. So I see a lot
Speaker 1: of upside from Marquis in this new system, whoever the
Speaker 1: quarterbacks or whoever the offensive coordinator head coach should be.
Speaker 1: I think that this is a positive move for him
Speaker 1: because we're getting away from Cliff Kingsbury, who you know,
Speaker 1: I do not like. So um, I think this is
Speaker 1: all going to be positive for him if they do
Speaker 1: trade Hopkins and bring someone else in. And I don't
Speaker 1: think we've really hit the peak of what he is
Speaker 1: yet because of the systems that he's been in. So
Speaker 1: that is why I'm huge. And this is me Texas
Speaker 1: long worns the Sooner who was a Raven, So you know,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm fairly impartial on this. I want to hate
Speaker 1: this guy, but he's really good man, So I'm excited
Speaker 1: to see what he can do in an actual system
Speaker 1: that is good for a quarterback and not a college
Speaker 1: system or a run first system like he was in Baltimore.
Speaker 1: I was definitely surprised to see him that high on
Speaker 1: your list. A former Sooner, so I'm definitely a little
Speaker 1: worried about the body type. You know, like he's in
Speaker 1: a huddle next to those offensive linemen and it looks like,
Speaker 1: you know, my son and his high school sophomare friends
Speaker 1: being in an NFL huddle, you know, And actually I
Speaker 1: think some of my son's friends are bigger than Marquise.
Speaker 1: He's got a career average BOGS of seven point two
Speaker 1: yards per catch. I know you talked about yards per
Speaker 1: rout run. This is yards per target, which I think
Speaker 1: you know, also pretty good stat Like, that's not a
Speaker 1: good number, and like the hope I think we would
Speaker 1: have for Marquise Brown is that he can become DeShawn Jackson,
Speaker 1: who you know, similarly built, similarly fast and explosive. But
Speaker 1: Deshaun Jackson average nine point eight yards per target for
Speaker 1: his career, Like that's an exceptional number, and even at
Speaker 1: the height of his powers bogs. People who've played Fantasy
Speaker 1: for a long time, I'll know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 1: DeShawn Jackson was streaky as all get out, and like,
Speaker 1: I wonder if that's going to be Marquise. There have
Speaker 1: been times. I mean, there was that game against the
Speaker 1: Lions when he was with the Ravens where he could
Speaker 1: have had like there was like a three hundred yard
Speaker 1: four touchdown day for the taking, and he let like
Speaker 1: some easy balls clang off his hands like some big gainers.
Speaker 1: It just seems like there's something missing there. I don't
Speaker 1: love the body type. I think, you know, banged up
Speaker 1: could be a perpetual state with him, you know, playing
Speaker 1: at that size. I don't know, man, I mean, it's
Speaker 1: kind of weird to me, Bogs, that you would rather
Speaker 1: have Marquis Brown on your Dynasty League team than DJ
Speaker 1: Moore like that one. I can't wrap my head around. Look,
Speaker 1: I get it. My thing is, I don't see. I
Speaker 1: still do not think we've seen the best from Marquis.
Speaker 1: I don't think we've come anywhere close to it, to
Speaker 1: be honest with you. And you know, I thought, Okay, hey,
Speaker 1: look let's put him in Arizona. Let's get him a
Speaker 1: number one right receiver like Hopkins next to him, and
Speaker 1: let's see what we've got here. Maybe this will actually
Speaker 1: make this system work at the NFL level. It didn't.
Speaker 1: He was hurt there were issues with you know, Kyler
Speaker 1: Murray and Cliff Kingsbury last year. So like I said,
Speaker 1: you know the Baltimore stuff, that a dot, the average
Speaker 1: at the target, the you know average catch, all that stuff.
Speaker 1: I mean that is an offensive system designed for short routes.
Speaker 1: You know, they didn't want Lamar throwing the ball downfield
Speaker 1: because they didn't want him turning the ball over. It
Speaker 1: was grind, you know, keep the defense on the sideline,
Speaker 1: grind it out. So kind of he was there more
Speaker 1: to me as a decoy than anything else. He hasn't
Speaker 1: been a premium tons of target guy in the NFL yet,
Speaker 1: and I think he's going to get his shot this year,
Speaker 1: so you don't have to take him here. Most likely,
Speaker 1: like you said before, a couple other the guys, I'm
Speaker 1: going to be much higher than consensus on Marquis. I
Speaker 1: think DJ Moore is the better fantasy wide receiver in
Speaker 1: most cases right now, but bad quarterback. I know, you know,
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray is going to become an out surgery. But
Speaker 1: we have Kyler Murray moving forward with Marcus Brown. I
Speaker 1: just think I just think he's gonna get so much
Speaker 1: better in a real NFL offense. You know he was
Speaker 1: a decoy in Baltimore. It was gadgety and too weird
Speaker 1: and dumb in Arizona last season, so I don't think
Speaker 1: we've hit the we scratched the surface with him yet
Speaker 1: and gotten a complete season out of him, So I'm
Speaker 1: excited to see that. Look, this is kind of a
Speaker 1: make or break here, though, you know, he can plummet
Speaker 1: in my rankings if we don't get there. But I
Speaker 1: am going to be pretty high on him because he
Speaker 1: is going to be a number one finally in a
Speaker 1: real offense for the first time in his career at
Speaker 1: twenty six this year. So I am excited about him
Speaker 1: moving forward here it fits. Let's go, let's burn through
Speaker 1: the top thirty six, give me twenty five down to
Speaker 1: thirty six. I will too, and we'll talk about any
Speaker 1: stragglers that we haven't gotten to yet. So I'm one
Speaker 1: spot lower than you and your guy George Pickens at
Speaker 1: twenty five. Purposefully did that. By the way, I also
Speaker 1: had him at twenty five. I moved him one spot
Speaker 1: ahead just so i'd be ahead of you. So I've
Speaker 1: got Terry McLaurin twenty six, Jerry Judy Brandon Au Christian Kirk,
Speaker 1: Deontay Johnson, DeAndre Hopkins, Juju Smith, Schuster, Amari Cooper, Mike Evans,
Speaker 1: Gabriel Davis, and Mike Williams. For me, I've got Christian
Speaker 1: Watson at twenty five. I've got Juju at twenty six,
Speaker 1: Terry McLaurin at twenty seven, Donald Mooney at twenty eight,
Speaker 1: Deontay Johnson at twenty nine, then dg More as I
Speaker 1: mentioned before, Gabe Davis thirty one, Hopkins at thirty two,
Speaker 1: Keenan Allen at thirty three, Dots and thirty four, Burkes
Speaker 1: thirty five, and Mike Evans at thirty six. So to me,
Speaker 1: this tier is kind of like, we have a couple
Speaker 1: of vets, you know, Juju, McLaurin, Deontay, They're kind of
Speaker 1: in the middle of their career. Then we have some
Speaker 1: old guys and young guys in here. It's Hopkins and
Speaker 1: Keenan and then Dotson and Burkes and Mike Evans. You know,
Speaker 1: kind of seems the same way for you a little bit.
Speaker 1: I have one guy that's not in your list, So
Speaker 1: do you Your guy is Kirk? You have him at
Speaker 1: twenty nine. I'm at thirty eight. I have Mooney at
Speaker 1: twenty eight. You have them at thirty nine. So tell
Speaker 1: me what it is you like about Kirk moving forward
Speaker 1: before we jumped to some stragglers at the end here. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so he's coming off his best season eighty four catches,
Speaker 1: eleven hundred yards, eight touchdowns. He's playing with a young
Speaker 1: franchise quarterback in Trevor Lawrence. I know they're going to
Speaker 1: add Ridley next year, which makes the target picture a
Speaker 1: little more complicated. You know, maybe he's a jones Is back.
Speaker 1: Maybe they resigned Evan Engram, so you know, that could
Speaker 1: stretch the target picture for him a little bit. But
Speaker 1: Kirk came into the league very young. So even though
Speaker 1: he's on that second contract and or what a hefty
Speaker 1: contract it was, Bogs, he just turned twenty six, so
Speaker 1: he is, you know, entering the prime of his career
Speaker 1: right now. And you know, you have to love that
Speaker 1: the Jaguars have the quarterback thing right and that the
Speaker 1: Kirk Lawrence pairing is going to be together for a while.
Speaker 1: They can mystery is there. It absolutely is, Like you said, though,
Speaker 1: I'm first of all, I think they want another running
Speaker 1: back there because Travis etn did everything they didn't like
Speaker 1: throwing him the ball. Maybe they get a pass catching
Speaker 1: running back, you know, to pair with him, which seems
Speaker 1: strange to me because Etn, I mean when urban Meyer
Speaker 1: drafted him, you know, not that we're going off of
Speaker 1: anything urban Meyer ever says, being a good idea, but
Speaker 1: they were talking about moving him to wide receiver. So
Speaker 1: I was a little surprised Etn didn't get more targets
Speaker 1: last year, which I think will either improve or they'll
Speaker 1: bring someone in for that role. And they're adding Calvin
Speaker 1: Ridley and Evan Ingram was so good it feels like
Speaker 1: they almost have to resign him. It's it's it's an
Speaker 1: offense with a ton of pieces that that one makes
Speaker 1: me a little bit lower, not necessarily a talent. Talent
Speaker 1: is amazing. He was great with Lawrence this year. Two
Speaker 1: really that back end of the year, they really started
Speaker 1: to click. So there's meat on the bone there. I'm
Speaker 1: just not as high as you. And look, I mean,
Speaker 1: if I am going to be a hater here, guy's
Speaker 1: an aggie. Can't really like the as come on, you know.
Speaker 1: But my guy, Darnell Mooney, I'm a little surprised that
Speaker 1: you didn't have him higher, because like every single underlying
Speaker 1: number says this guy should be a star. The problem
Speaker 1: to me, and I think it's also going to be
Speaker 1: the issue with you. It's Justin Fields. It's Justin Field's
Speaker 1: going to be a quarterback that we need to design
Speaker 1: a Lamar's system, you know around Do we have to
Speaker 1: kind of limit things and make this offense different and
Speaker 1: specific for him? Or are they going to let him
Speaker 1: throw the ball down the field? And then if they are,
Speaker 1: Mooney's gonna be probably even higher than I have him.
Speaker 1: He'll move up a lot of boards for sure. But
Speaker 1: it's it's a big question right now. What is Fields?
Speaker 1: And I think that's what makes Mooney the toughest to rank.
Speaker 1: Can't imagine you're very different than me on that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And we did see Justin Fields throw some beautiful rainbows
Speaker 1: to Chris Olavay and Columbus Ohio Bogs, so like we
Speaker 1: know he's capable of that. And I really like the
Speaker 1: player Darnell Mooney just like very terrific with the deep
Speaker 1: balls and like surprisingly tough and feisty for a smaller receiver,
Speaker 1: like he'll break tackles and like you know, fight with
Speaker 1: guys at the catch point. Like, yeah, I like a
Speaker 1: lot about him. But Dave Clugey and football guys just
Speaker 1: brought this up on my show, and Dave is a
Speaker 1: Bears fan. The Bears are probably not done adding to
Speaker 1: their wide receiver room like it's going to be. You know,
Speaker 1: Mooney is the two and probably Claypool is the number three,
Speaker 1: but maybe they find that number one in this year's
Speaker 1: draft with a Quinton Johnston or a Jackson Smith and
Speaker 1: Jake bah and you know, and then maybe Mooney slots
Speaker 1: in as the number two, and he's going to be
Speaker 1: the number two on what's most likely going to be
Speaker 1: one of the run heavier teams in the league. So
Speaker 1: I just worry that the ceiling might not be that spectacular,
Speaker 1: even though I really love Mooney, good young player. You know,
Speaker 1: would be happy to have him on any of my
Speaker 1: dynasty teams and probably need to get him on at
Speaker 1: least one because I don't think I have him anywhere. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, you need to throw a dart. I think
Speaker 1: at least if you have multiple teams on him. And
Speaker 1: the reason I don't think that they'll add to this
Speaker 1: room is because they have so many other needs. I mean,
Speaker 1: they traded away Roquan the tador away Quinn and Mac
Speaker 1: and all of those defensive pieces, and they traded away
Speaker 1: the first pick in the second round to get clay
Speaker 1: Point right now, So the free agent group of wide
Speaker 1: receivers stinks fogs. But the Bears to have a ton
Speaker 1: of money to spend in free agency, so they might,
Speaker 1: you know, that's true. I don't know if any of it.
Speaker 1: If there are any pure number ones out there, it's
Speaker 1: guys like ju Ju Alan Lazard. But I think they're
Speaker 1: going to add something. Maybe they maybe they don't add
Speaker 1: a first round receiver, but I think they're going to
Speaker 1: bring Well, they might add those pieces on defense through
Speaker 1: free agency because it would be better options for them
Speaker 1: to do that, you know, So they might add those
Speaker 1: guys through free agency. But I mean, Roquan throw them
Speaker 1: under the bus, gonna make it hard to sign free
Speaker 1: agents too, which which is a little strange. But I
Speaker 1: don't know. It's um. I knew you wouldn't pass up
Speaker 1: a chance to crap on the Bears a little, So
Speaker 1: I figure we had to talk about Darnell Mooney. We're
Speaker 1: bumping up against it here fits so we're different. On Lazard,
Speaker 1: I have him at forty four yem at sixty one.
Speaker 1: I guess you saw enough of him in Green Bay.
Speaker 1: Just don't like him that much. Yeah, I mean, I
Speaker 1: just think he's a complimentary piece. And now he's gonna
Speaker 1: be playing with someone other than Aaron Rodgers, and he's
Speaker 1: getting a little older. I think I think he's going
Speaker 1: to get a contract that's bigger than we expect because
Speaker 1: the class is bad, the free agent class is bad,
Speaker 1: and someone's gonna depend on him and it'll get a
Speaker 1: bunch of targets. So that's kind of why I have
Speaker 1: him in there. That wide receiver four range. You're higher
Speaker 1: on DPJ than I am. It's kind we kind of
Speaker 1: have these guys reverse. I do think DPJ talent wise
Speaker 1: might be a little bit better, but it's Cooper is
Speaker 1: one and this is a team that I think will
Speaker 1: absolutely draft a wide receiver that could pass DPJ on
Speaker 1: the depth chart. Yeah, this is in about phase for me.
Speaker 1: I hated Donovan people's owns as a prospect, but he
Speaker 1: has big and fast and like he showed that he
Speaker 1: can be, you know, a reasonably decent possession receiver in
Speaker 1: the NFL. And I think Deshaun Watson will have a
Speaker 1: better year next year, anyone else that that you wanted
Speaker 1: to talk about. I mean, Juju is tough until he signs.
Speaker 1: That's a tough one. Elijah Moore, you know, was a
Speaker 1: huge He was very this time last year and he
Speaker 1: took He obviously had a big fight with the Jets.
Speaker 1: They got Garrett Wilson in there, had a big fight.
Speaker 1: I found him as another guy that was very difficult
Speaker 1: to rank. Yeah, and we've and yet we've got him
Speaker 1: like within a spot of each other. You've got a
Speaker 1: wide receiver thirty nine. I've got a wide receiver forty
Speaker 1: and yeah. I mean the thing is like that is
Speaker 1: I don't like to rank guys too much based on
Speaker 1: their teammates, but this is one where now with Garrett
Speaker 1: Wilson there, it's like there's no question who the number
Speaker 1: one wide receiver is in New York. And you know,
Speaker 1: I think Elijah Moore is going to have to find
Speaker 1: his way and live with a reduced target load from
Speaker 1: who knows what kind of quarterback. Yeah, it's um a
Speaker 1: lot of these guys, like I said, we're splitting hairs
Speaker 1: and then there's talent without talent around them. Elijah Moore
Speaker 1: is one of those guys he doesn't have the quarterback
Speaker 1: to go with him. And then there's guys that are
Speaker 1: not as talented, but they have a good quarterback, like
Speaker 1: Mikole Hardman, who I found it difficult to rank too
Speaker 1: because he had such a big year. I would love
Speaker 1: to see him another year, Like if Juju is gone,
Speaker 1: I love to see him in that spot in Kansas
Speaker 1: City that sky Moore didn't take that no wide receiver
Speaker 1: really step up. Who stepped up and took the role.
Speaker 1: Kadarius Tony could be in there as well. So there's
Speaker 1: a lot of guys. There's a lot of moving pieces
Speaker 1: of the wide receivers. Yeah, before we get out box,
Speaker 1: I mean it's funny we can talk about the curse
Speaker 1: of the Tyree Hill curse in Kansas City with any
Speaker 1: speed receiver who comes in after him, like Hardman has
Speaker 1: not panned out. You know, sky Moore as thus far
Speaker 1: been you know, his rookie year was not what we
Speaker 1: hoped it would be. I have this guy ranked wide
Speaker 1: receiver forty two bogs. You did not put him in
Speaker 1: your top forty eight. Tony, talk to me about him, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I have. I have Cadarius Tony a little bit outside
Speaker 1: of that. I have him at fifty two, so I
Speaker 1: have him four spots off, but I have sky Moore
Speaker 1: a little bit ahead of him. I have Hardman a
Speaker 1: little bit ahead of him. It's one of those three
Speaker 1: guys that's gonna be there if they don't resign Juju.
Speaker 1: That's gonna be the battle this year is what camp
Speaker 1: are you in? Are you in the Tony the Hardman? Uh?
Speaker 1: You know, uh camp here or sky More? I guess
Speaker 1: you could still throw him in there because he is
Speaker 1: super talented, But there's only one football and it's going
Speaker 1: to Travis Kelsey first. We know that. Yeah, And then
Speaker 1: if they get a decent running back in here. You
Speaker 1: know what, if they moved up to get be Shan,
Speaker 1: it wouldn't be that crazy, you know. Now, does the
Speaker 1: third wide receiver does? Does the third option on offense
Speaker 1: even matter when you have Bi, Sean and Kelsey? So yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, these are these are interesting things, and we
Speaker 1: will obviously throughout the off season be going much deeper
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