Speaker 1: Welcome back everybody. It's a Fantasy Pros Dynasty Fantasy Football podcast.
Speaker 1: I'm your host, Scott Pogman. Follow me on the Twitter
Speaker 1: at Bogman Sports. I'm joined as always buy Pat Fitzmoor's
Speaker 1: at fits F on the Twitter machine. Fitzee, how's it going.
Speaker 1: We took a week off. You had to go to
Speaker 1: Vegas and party. You know, we understand. I hope you
Speaker 1: had a great time on your vacation, man, and happy
Speaker 1: to be back and talking to football and Senior Bowl here.
Speaker 1: Thanks buddy. Yeah, it was a good couple of days.
Speaker 1: It was a break even trip, which always feels like
Speaker 1: a win, although you know, like I feel kind of
Speaker 1: guilty that I did better like in video poker than
Speaker 1: college basketball betting, where I just got my tail handed
Speaker 1: to me, especially centered taking a bunch of like road favorites.
Speaker 1: It's never a good idea and went down the tubes
Speaker 1: that way. Yeah, you know, I think you can get
Speaker 1: away with that in the pros a little more than
Speaker 1: you can in college. But uh, I'm just I'm just
Speaker 1: glad you had a good time in a break even
Speaker 1: trip to Vegas. That is a big win. So h
Speaker 1: happy to have you back. Happy to be back in
Speaker 1: to join us to talk about the Senior Bowl. A
Speaker 1: guy that was there, Thor nistrom at Thor ku on
Speaker 1: the Twitter machine. Thor, how is Mobile man? And you
Speaker 1: you're back? You got your phone back? That was a
Speaker 1: whole fiasco you told me about. Uh, fresh off of
Speaker 1: dealing with customer service as well. Uh, just a lot
Speaker 1: of action going on in Thor's world. So how are
Speaker 1: you man? Good to talk to you again? Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: doing well. It's it's been a whirlwin always is down
Speaker 1: in Mobile. It wasn't a help to myself leaving the
Speaker 1: phone and the lift to the airline, but to the airport.
Speaker 1: But we did get it back, and I'm excited to
Speaker 1: be with you guys talking about what happened at the
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl. A lot happened down there. We saw lots
Speaker 1: of things on the practice field. So excited to talk
Speaker 1: to you about all the risers and the flowers that
Speaker 1: we saw down in Mobile. Yeah, we're gonna We're gonna
Speaker 1: talk a little bit about the Senior Bowl and a
Speaker 1: little bit about your rankings as well, if you'll indulge it.
Speaker 1: So I'm going to hand it to Pat to kick off.
Speaker 1: To talk some qbs here. Yeah, Thor, I know it
Speaker 1: wasn't a banner Senior Bowl for quarterbacks, But I'm just curious,
Speaker 1: like taking a look at how you see things shaping up.
Speaker 1: Do you expect the draft order to be Bryce Young, CJ. Stroud,
Speaker 1: Will Levis, and Anthony Richardson as far as the quarterbacks
Speaker 1: or do you think there's room for a shake up there?
Speaker 1: I think that's still up in the air. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: a part of it's going to depend, of course on
Speaker 1: if the Bears trade down and who they trade down with.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I think that's still up in the air
Speaker 1: because I don't think that there's a consensus at all
Speaker 1: with the teams as far as who they're the top
Speaker 1: quarterback on their board. Is Like, you know, I think
Speaker 1: if you pulled the thirty two teams you're gonna get
Speaker 1: you're gonna see different top four quarterbacks on their boards.
Speaker 1: You know, it would be a shake up. So it's
Speaker 1: just going to depend on who's at the top of
Speaker 1: the board and then you know who ends up picking there.
Speaker 1: How about about you? Man, I'm like curious because obviously,
Speaker 1: like Will Levis and Anthony Richardson are like super toolsy
Speaker 1: you know, Levis just has the cannon arm m Richardson,
Speaker 1: you know, like sort of the Dante Culpepper starter kit, Like,
Speaker 1: how do you feel about those guys versus Young and Stroud?
Speaker 1: For me, it's Bryce Young with a bullet the first one.
Speaker 1: The debate for me starts after that. But for me,
Speaker 1: it's Bryce Young's the top player in the class, not
Speaker 1: just the position, but that And you know, again the
Speaker 1: debate starts after that. I would go Stroud to I'm
Speaker 1: more confident in that position now certainly than I would
Speaker 1: have been during the season during this season, like up
Speaker 1: until the Georgia game, because before then, Stroud was struggling
Speaker 1: throughout the regular season in comparison to what he'd done
Speaker 1: this season before when he was quite impressive. But the
Speaker 1: Georgia game, we saw c J. Stroud at the peak
Speaker 1: of his powers, and we saw him address question marks
Speaker 1: on his value or things that we hadn't seen before,
Speaker 1: you know, specifically with him stealing yards outside of the pocket,
Speaker 1: him throwing on the run, making decisions on the rhyme,
Speaker 1: and getting away from Carter on that first touchdown throw
Speaker 1: was outstanding. That super impressed, believable. Yeah, like just things
Speaker 1: we hadn't seen from him before, you know, and then
Speaker 1: you know the strength of his game as well. You know,
Speaker 1: I like so all that different stuff. He answered questions
Speaker 1: about his evaluation for me, so I feel a little
Speaker 1: bit more confident about slotting him to the three and four.
Speaker 1: I got a little bit of a different take I
Speaker 1: think on that. Then then some other folks, I you know,
Speaker 1: like because you know the you know, with with Levis
Speaker 1: and Richardson, both those guys have have questions if I'm
Speaker 1: gonna if I'm gonna shoot the moon, I'm one of those.
Speaker 1: I'm going With Richardson, I'm I'm gonna shoot all the way. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, both those guys are high variance prospects. Richardson
Speaker 1: has the better tools. So right now I would have
Speaker 1: him at number three and I would put Levis at
Speaker 1: number four. Then you have obviously a drop off until
Speaker 1: you get to the number five guy, you know, and
Speaker 1: dropping down to the tier. But That's how I'd have
Speaker 1: it right now. I gotta follow up here on Bryce Young.
Speaker 1: You know Bryce Young number one with the bullet. I
Speaker 1: don't think that anyone would argue with that in terms
Speaker 1: of skill. I guess my question would be and it's
Speaker 1: not I want your personal opinion what you think NFL
Speaker 1: evaluators are doing here with the size concerns. Because Bryce
Speaker 1: Young is the best quarterback in this draft, it's not
Speaker 1: a question. But he's slight of frame. He's a little
Speaker 1: bit shorter as well, which we have seen. You know,
Speaker 1: guys like Drew Brees have Hall of Fame career, successful,
Speaker 1: unbelievably successful. But Tah got hurt this year. He can't
Speaker 1: protect himself. He's going through the multiple concussions. Seems like
Speaker 1: he may have to cut his career short. Do you
Speaker 1: think is that a concern for you? And do you
Speaker 1: think NFL evaluators are over evaluating that coming off the
Speaker 1: heels what just happened in twenty twenty two. You know,
Speaker 1: as far as the side saying, I think it's case specific.
Speaker 1: You know, as far as the prospect goes, and with
Speaker 1: me with Young, it's it's not as big of a
Speaker 1: concern because of his game and also because you know,
Speaker 1: I've seen him in there against the SEC defenses. He's
Speaker 1: been able to stay on the field, and I've also
Speaker 1: seen him with injuries to comparable prospects that held him
Speaker 1: out longer, like for instance, this past year, he suffers
Speaker 1: an ac joint sprain of his throwing shoulder and it
Speaker 1: kept him out for one week. There was a bunch
Speaker 1: of different quarterbacks this year that at the ac joint
Speaker 1: sprain of their shoulders or it kept him out for
Speaker 1: multiple weeds. Brayce Young is a super twitchy type athlete.
Speaker 1: Not only does it allow him to sort of sustain
Speaker 1: the blows and like you know, have him being sort
Speaker 1: of like glancing shots, it also seems like he's sort
Speaker 1: of he's sort of like heels like Wolverine, you know,
Speaker 1: from the accent a little bit. And so you know,
Speaker 1: maybe I'm naive a little bit, but I'm not as
Speaker 1: concerned by that aspect of it as maybe some other guys.
Speaker 1: And then of course I I just think I believe
Speaker 1: that he is a prodigy, like you know, in just
Speaker 1: sort of like he's a throwing prodigy. Uh. Like you know,
Speaker 1: like like you look at like his performance under pressure.
Speaker 1: These other top guys their their performance creators under pressure
Speaker 1: a little bit to some degree or another. Like you know,
Speaker 1: some of the guys maybe not as much like a
Speaker 1: guy like Will Leavis, like like this past season, his
Speaker 1: play really creator under the pressure Brayce Young. This paste
Speaker 1: like the year before brace Young was playing, you know,
Speaker 1: with a fabulous supporting cast. But I think it would
Speaker 1: surprise people out there to know, like his offensive line
Speaker 1: was way down this past season. His receiving corps in particular,
Speaker 1: people think about like the Alabama receiving course from the past,
Speaker 1: all the first round picks, that Alabama's receiving corps last
Speaker 1: season was not very good. I mean I think he
Speaker 1: catch the ball they were to smoke Texas. I mean
Speaker 1: I was watching the Texas game and I was just like,
Speaker 1: this is unbelievable. How like he he makes escaping look
Speaker 1: so easy to him too. That That's why I'm with
Speaker 1: you Thor I. I don't have those concerns as I.
Speaker 1: You know people did, and now that we've seen it
Speaker 1: come to fruition with Tua, I think his escape his
Speaker 1: He's maybe not a scrambler, but he can extend the
Speaker 1: play a little bit and he can not take as
Speaker 1: many hits. I mean, that was a big lamar. The
Speaker 1: in coming of the league was well, he's going to
Speaker 1: burn out after a couple of years because he runs
Speaker 1: and he takes hits. But he took less hits than
Speaker 1: other quarterbacks because he stepped out of bounds so much
Speaker 1: and guys just wouldn't physically touch him, so he was
Speaker 1: hit on way if you were you know, plays than
Speaker 1: other guys. I think the same thing can happen for
Speaker 1: Bryce Young within the pocket. He's not a guy that's
Speaker 1: obviously is gonna scramble like Lamar. It's just it's that
Speaker 1: same ability in a different situation. Is all one more
Speaker 1: follow up on this question about the top four here?
Speaker 1: Can any of these guys? I mean, does Richardson need
Speaker 1: to throw to to move up boards? Will Levis has
Speaker 1: done nothing in this process outside of interviews and stuff,
Speaker 1: does he need to do anything? I mean, we know
Speaker 1: Young and Stroud, we know what they are. I don't
Speaker 1: think I don't expect them to do much at the combine.
Speaker 1: But do Levis and Richardson need to do that? Or
Speaker 1: if you were them or their agent, would you say, look,
Speaker 1: you've already getting mocked in the top fifteen on every
Speaker 1: single thing. Don't do anything. Go there and interview in
Speaker 1: that set. Yeah. I think it depends, you know, if
Speaker 1: you're their REPRESENTI because that's what it's going to come
Speaker 1: down to. The assay Again, I think it's going to
Speaker 1: depend on the momentum they get leading up to that.
Speaker 1: But like if you know, like where they're getting mocked
Speaker 1: and what they're hearing from the NFL teams or whatever,
Speaker 1: I would advocate for both of them, you know, and
Speaker 1: like you know, I mean, like you know I did
Speaker 1: for Lamar, I did for Malik Willis last year. I
Speaker 1: advocate for them to go out there and perform because
Speaker 1: their tools are so much better than some of these
Speaker 1: other guys. I think Malik made a mistake by not
Speaker 1: going out there in athletic lye tasting last year because
Speaker 1: he would have tested as a most athletic quarterback would
Speaker 1: ever test it. Obviously Lamar he did not test as well.
Speaker 1: He ended up slipping into the very back end of
Speaker 1: the first round anyway. But some of those guys, they're concerned.
Speaker 1: This isn't a concern obviously for Leaves, but also it's
Speaker 1: not a concern for Riches Richardson either, but like in
Speaker 1: the back of their head they're concerned, like if I
Speaker 1: test too well, are there is the NFL going to
Speaker 1: consider me like a position convert or whatever. But like
Speaker 1: for for Richardson, I would go in there, I would
Speaker 1: show them my Howitzer and I would athletically test. But
Speaker 1: but yeah, I mean if if he, if his representatives
Speaker 1: feel like, you know, in the case of richardson my
Speaker 1: draft floor is Washington, Like, there's no way I'm falling
Speaker 1: beneath that. Why would you go in and like and
Speaker 1: throw or run? Because if you don't you know, run
Speaker 1: or you know, or throw well, and then your your
Speaker 1: your accuracy percentage and stuff like that, and people start
Speaker 1: nitpicking your profile, then you know, like it maybe it's
Speaker 1: you know, it's too much of an excessive risk to
Speaker 1: do so. But for me, I'm gonna go in there
Speaker 1: and compete. Yeah, yeah, give it your all. I'm with
Speaker 1: you on that. I think that's the smart play by
Speaker 1: by most of those guys. I got on the question
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Speaker 1: let's talk about Mobile. You were down there in Mobile,
Speaker 1: you were in the mix. You saw the quarterback play.
Speaker 1: I mean, thank god you weren't at the Shrine game
Speaker 1: because there was no quarterback play. They're a kicker, one
Speaker 1: player of the game. But Jay Kyner, the quarterback from
Speaker 1: Fresno State, one player of the game at the Senior Bowl.
Speaker 1: We saw him complete a bunch of passes. He looked
Speaker 1: pretty good. Size concerns with him, but he has accuracy.
Speaker 1: Maybe not the biggest of arms, but I think it's
Speaker 1: good enough. I think he's obviously moved up draft boards
Speaker 1: because after you get through the top four and then
Speaker 1: probably Hendon Hooker. I know there's other outlets that have
Speaker 1: Jernhull in that mix too. I don't really but Hendon
Speaker 1: Hooker's right after that group, and then it's kind of
Speaker 1: the wild West. But I think Jake Hanner had moved
Speaker 1: himself up. Is that what you saw? Thor and who
Speaker 1: else among the QBS moved their stock up or down
Speaker 1: this week in Mobile. Yeah, Hainter was definitely the winner
Speaker 1: from the senior ball and the rest of the quarterbacks
Speaker 1: out there on the field did not look for he
Speaker 1: goes part of the reason why he's a winner. And
Speaker 1: by the way, it's like Hendon Hooker was a winner too.
Speaker 1: He wasn't able to get out on the field because
Speaker 1: he was injured, but he was in Mobile and court.
Speaker 1: But he was a winner dy trouble like Stetson Bennett
Speaker 1: because he actually showed up and did stuff well. And
Speaker 1: Stetson Bennett was a loser for for deciding to turn
Speaker 1: down the invitation out knock it outdoors at Dallas. Whatever
Speaker 1: the heck he was doing, he should have shown up,
Speaker 1: just because in comparison to some of those other guys
Speaker 1: out of the field, I think he would have, you know,
Speaker 1: impressed by comparison. But you know, as far as Hainter, yes,
Speaker 1: he's small, he does not have a howitzer for an arm,
Speaker 1: and he's just sort of an average athlete. But he
Speaker 1: was everything that you wanted him to be. He showed
Speaker 1: up and he was as advertised. He makes very quick decisions,
Speaker 1: he's accurate, he gets the ball out on time, and
Speaker 1: on receiver's hands, like he's going to run a system
Speaker 1: well for you because he consistently makes the correct decisions.
Speaker 1: And again it's like it's all clockwork. It's just like
Speaker 1: cl click click click click click. These other quarterbacks that
Speaker 1: you saw, they're they're like another thing with Haner with
Speaker 1: the footwork. Like the other quarterbacks, you'd see wonky basis,
Speaker 1: you saw bouts of inaccuracy, you saw wonky decision making,
Speaker 1: but with Jake Haner you didn't see any of that stuff.
Speaker 1: Like so I mean like with Jake Haner wowing you
Speaker 1: with his physical prowess, No, not at all, but you
Speaker 1: saw like he's going to run your system well. So
Speaker 1: like when you're you know, like you're thinking about like
Speaker 1: who's this class is brought party for me? That like
Speaker 1: Jake Hanner is the leader in the clubhouse for that
Speaker 1: kind of a thing. The loser of of of that
Speaker 1: position group in mobile you you brought his name up,
Speaker 1: It's Jaron Hall. Jaren Hall had the unfortunate thing of
Speaker 1: he was in this on the same team in that
Speaker 1: event as Jake Haner, So they were practicing right across
Speaker 1: from each other, like when they were doing the team
Speaker 1: drills on opposite embarrassing him. He pretty much was. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, Jaren Hall was inaccurate all week. He was
Speaker 1: making poor decisions all week. He was having balls batted
Speaker 1: at the line, he was throwing interceptions in the team drills.
Speaker 1: His mechanics looked all off. He was missing low, he
Speaker 1: was miassic high, he was his placement was off. He
Speaker 1: was just like just off all week long. And then
Speaker 1: he decided to pull out of the event earlier. It
Speaker 1: was funny. He was actually on my flight out of mobile.
Speaker 1: I was thinking he actually literally sat in the seat
Speaker 1: right behind me on the play. I was wondering if
Speaker 1: he was gonna kick my seat. I was like, I
Speaker 1: hope this guy didn't read some of the stuff. I
Speaker 1: was right, did both up? But yeah he did. He
Speaker 1: did not have the best week. And then uh so
Speaker 1: some of the badge and that the kid from Shepherd
Speaker 1: the D two Mystery Box kid, he actually has an
Speaker 1: NFL arm. It was kind of interesting. He's got some
Speaker 1: juice in his arm, but he's super inaccurate. But he's
Speaker 1: like sort of the ball of clay guy. He's definitely
Speaker 1: gonna get drafted because a team's gonna bring him in
Speaker 1: and just sort of work with him for a couple
Speaker 1: of years and see if he can sort of work
Speaker 1: with the technique is more or less what that kid needs,
Speaker 1: because like there are times where it's like wow, you know,
Speaker 1: like I mean, he'll he'll rip it down the field
Speaker 1: twenty five yards and hit a guy right on the hands,
Speaker 1: you know, as as he's moving down the field whatever.
Speaker 1: But like there's other times where he'll miss like an
Speaker 1: open receiver, like you know, seven yards down field. It's
Speaker 1: like what the hell, you know, like you or just
Speaker 1: throw it right into the linebackers chess played or whatever.
Speaker 1: But he has some tools and obviously he just shredded
Speaker 1: the D two level. I believe he holds the college
Speaker 1: football record for most touchdown passes regardless of level. And
Speaker 1: then Clayton Tune. He just sort of he came in
Speaker 1: with this sort of conservative ethos that he also displayed
Speaker 1: on film, where like he just doesn't really test tight
Speaker 1: win knows. He like he just he's one of those
Speaker 1: guys who, like, you know, Pat, I know you were
Speaker 1: just in Vegas. He's the guy at the blackjack table
Speaker 1: who always stands on sixteen. It's sort of frustrating. It's
Speaker 1: like Clayton, come on, rip it down field, but he's
Speaker 1: chuck it down anytime he doesn't have the wide open receivers.
Speaker 1: So I wanted to see a little bit more from Tune,
Speaker 1: but it certainly wasn't a disaster for him like it
Speaker 1: was from Jaron Hall. And you know, look, you know
Speaker 1: it's not the best QB class here, but ask the Niners,
Speaker 1: and you saw from the Niners. Backup quarterbacks matter and
Speaker 1: teams need him, especially with the extra game and you know,
Speaker 1: the offensive line play getting worse around the league than
Speaker 1: it has been in a while. Teams need backup quarterbacks.
Speaker 1: So I'm with you. Let's transition to running backs here
Speaker 1: and thor, I just want to know what pick makes
Speaker 1: the most sense for Beijon because you see all these
Speaker 1: mocks and the general thought process of running backs here is, Look,
Speaker 1: running backs need to go laid in the first, if
Speaker 1: in the first at all. That's kind of the thought
Speaker 1: process at this point with running backs. And I think
Speaker 1: it's like the last seven or eight Super Bowl champions
Speaker 1: haven't been paying their running back more than a million bucks.
Speaker 1: Like it's just it makes sense to save money at
Speaker 1: that spot, spend it elsewhere and you don't do that
Speaker 1: taking one in the first round. But Bijon is that
Speaker 1: type of trans transgenerational talent whatever, whatever word you want
Speaker 1: to use it, generational, whatever, He's a great talent. He's
Speaker 1: best running back coming into the draft since se Kwon Barkley.
Speaker 1: So I have some spots for him, and I just
Speaker 1: want to I want to know what makes sense the
Speaker 1: most in the first round for you? Nine for Carolina
Speaker 1: they have too many needs? Correct, can't do it there
Speaker 1: for sure? Yeah? For sure? Houston at one twelve, yeah,
Speaker 1: really too many needs? Yeah? Okay, now we get into
Speaker 1: maybe's I think, uh newing. I've seen this mocked a
Speaker 1: couple of times. Romandre Stevenson obviously just had a great year.
Speaker 1: They lose Damien Harris, though, and they need explosiveness. Bijean
Speaker 1: is explosive. Does this make any sense? Or is this
Speaker 1: a why would you take Beijean when you have Ramond
Speaker 1: r the ladder? I still wouldn't do it there, Okay,
Speaker 1: but in that situation one eighteen Detroit, Jamal Williams is
Speaker 1: an understricted free agent should they decide not to bring
Speaker 1: him back. Obviously they still have DeAndre Swift, but Swift
Speaker 1: is not a guy that can get twenty carries. But
Speaker 1: if you do take Bijean, you kind of push and
Speaker 1: swift out the door as well. I don't know if
Speaker 1: that makes sense either getting warmer, but I still wouldn't
Speaker 1: do it there if i'm can, I can I interrupt me? Please?
Speaker 1: So I think there's a top ten skip someone. I
Speaker 1: think so the Eagles at one ten, a team that
Speaker 1: possibly has the infrastructure in place already and could maybe
Speaker 1: afford a luxury pick that early. What do you think
Speaker 1: about that? Thor especially with Miles sand is about to
Speaker 1: walk as a free agent maybe or maybe not walk,
Speaker 1: but he is gonna be Yeah, it seems like Roseman
Speaker 1: is too analytically inclined to make a decision like that.
Speaker 1: By point he could surprise us, you know, like for
Speaker 1: me as a rule, like I wouldn't go as far
Speaker 1: as you know, mel Kiper is like the famous guy
Speaker 1: where it's like by rule he wouldn't take one in
Speaker 1: the first round. I wouldn't go that far. But like
Speaker 1: for me, it would be more like top half of
Speaker 1: the first by rule. Like for me, like with a
Speaker 1: guy like Bijon, like for me, I would need it
Speaker 1: to be like after sixteen probably Okay. Yeah. The only
Speaker 1: reason I put the Eagles on there is because I'm
Speaker 1: pretty sure they're taking a corner there. Uh that that's
Speaker 1: I think they're gonna be maybe up against the cap.
Speaker 1: Maybe they can't get Bradberry back. I think that's a
Speaker 1: perfect Yeah, So that's the only reason I put them
Speaker 1: on there. Uh. The Chargers at one point two one
Speaker 1: Austin Ekeler getting a little long in the tooth. They've
Speaker 1: been looking for that back up. This is an easy
Speaker 1: transition plan for when Eckler, uh, you know, retires or
Speaker 1: hits the wall. But but Eckler is still under contract, right, Yes,
Speaker 1: I don't think they're gonna do that. Then, okay, that's fair. Uh.
Speaker 1: One twenty two to Baltimore. JK. Dobbins made a little noise.
Speaker 1: Uh could get cut. Um, you know this is a
Speaker 1: run first team. I hate this idea. I despise this idea.
Speaker 1: This is the pairing I want, so yeah, yeah, this
Speaker 1: is what the NFL needs. This is this is the pairing.
Speaker 1: I want to see it. I want to see that pairing,
Speaker 1: but I want to see it in Miami. Um. The Giants,
Speaker 1: Uh sa Quan could walk. They they have one franchise
Speaker 1: tag to use a gonna use it on Dan Daniel Jones.
Speaker 1: We know that unless unless they work it out with him,
Speaker 1: so se Quon they might let They might let him
Speaker 1: walk and then try to take se Quon if he falls.
Speaker 1: What do you think about that? Yeah, I mean, I laugh,
Speaker 1: would be I mean, like my comp and I'm not
Speaker 1: the only one, but my comp for bij So that
Speaker 1: would make a ton of sense left and you just
Speaker 1: you just slot Bijon right in form uh the other
Speaker 1: three here that I have, I think two have been
Speaker 1: mocked the most. Dallas at twenty six, Buffalo twenty seven,
Speaker 1: and then New Orleans at twenty nine because Camara is
Speaker 1: going to be suspended and as soon as they can
Speaker 1: cut Camara, they're going to It doesn't make any sense
Speaker 1: this year, but he's gonna have a big suspension. They
Speaker 1: don't know what they're doing at quarterback right now. They're
Speaker 1: over the cap, So why not get a running back
Speaker 1: that you can give the ball to twenty five thirty
Speaker 1: times a game and you know probably gonna have to
Speaker 1: roll with Jamis right now, or do some weird finagling
Speaker 1: of the cap to try to get Derek Carr I guess, yeah,
Speaker 1: these ones make a little bit more sense to me.
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, like yeah, these these pairings down the bard
Speaker 1: a little bit. And that's where I think he ends
Speaker 1: up going. It's like somewhere in that you know, eighteen
Speaker 1: to twenty five six range, right, and who knows, Maybe
Speaker 1: I end up being wrong and he goes, you know,
Speaker 1: top top fifteen, Yeah, top fifteen or something. But I
Speaker 1: think at the end of the day, it's it's gonna
Speaker 1: be somewhere towards the latter portion of it. If that happens,
Speaker 1: it's a trade someone trade man, that's it. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean there's been so much talk about Bijeon and
Speaker 1: Lord knows, Bogman and I have spilled many words on
Speaker 1: him and um, but like there's another Texas running back
Speaker 1: who's I think was turning some heads in Mobile and
Speaker 1: I kind of blame Bogman here for not talking this
Speaker 1: guy up more. Roshan Johnson tell us about him and
Speaker 1: what you saw to him that like wold you and Mobile, Well,
Speaker 1: the first the kids unit, you know, like you like
Speaker 1: when you know at the way ends of the first
Speaker 1: time you see and you're like whoa, yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: that kid is built Um. He's a little bit taller
Speaker 1: than your traditional running back and is built out. Um
Speaker 1: is jacked, And we only got to see him for
Speaker 1: one day. Unfortunately, he broke his hand on Tuesday, very impressively.
Speaker 1: He finished practice with a broke in hand and they
Speaker 1: had to explain to Roshan like after practice on Tuesday,
Speaker 1: you know, when when they found out he had the
Speaker 1: broken hand, they had to tell him like Rochean, you can't.
Speaker 1: You can't practice with a broken hand, like you're your
Speaker 1: week is over, Like we can't, we can't let you
Speaker 1: keep doing it like he wanted. He wanted to keep going.
Speaker 1: Um so like you know, and then they ended up
Speaker 1: replacing him with Sir Roderick Thompson. But what we saw
Speaker 1: from him on on Tuesday was was pretty impressive and
Speaker 1: it's what you see on on film. He's very good
Speaker 1: and passed pro and he's pretty good at between the
Speaker 1: tackles as well as as a runner as a receiver.
Speaker 1: He's just a dump off guy. Now, I wonder if
Speaker 1: some of the like the athleticis um, he's not super
Speaker 1: duper shifty, but he is more athletic than you think.
Speaker 1: It's Bogman Will will know he has hurtled many guys
Speaker 1: during his collegiate career, like, yeah, run him, run him
Speaker 1: over as well. But it's like it's funny because you know,
Speaker 1: with the bigger backs, invariably defenders will start to try
Speaker 1: to dive bomb your knees, you know, like they started
Speaker 1: to do with the Gronk, you know. But like with Roscheon,
Speaker 1: you start going low with him, he'll be like ah,
Speaker 1: and then he'll start, you know, hurdling you or whatever.
Speaker 1: But like with the receiving element of it, he's just
Speaker 1: a dump off guys so far. But that area of
Speaker 1: his game they didn't leverage a ton obviously because they
Speaker 1: had Bijon. And that's what sort of makes him an
Speaker 1: interesting thought experiment because on the one hand, it's like
Speaker 1: it was sort of an advantageous situation for him. You
Speaker 1: kept the wear on the tires low, and then when
Speaker 1: you came in it was advantageous because the defenses were tired.
Speaker 1: But then on the other hand, he didn't get some
Speaker 1: of the work or some of the opportunities that some
Speaker 1: of these other backs that the receiving element of it,
Speaker 1: he didn't get quite the opportunities to developed and some
Speaker 1: of these other guys didn't stuff like that. But the
Speaker 1: pass pearl. We know he's one of the better backs
Speaker 1: in this class, and it makes them playable on passing downs,
Speaker 1: even if, at least initially for dynasty players, you can't
Speaker 1: project him to have the value in PPR leagues perhaps
Speaker 1: that you would with some of these other backs, but
Speaker 1: he is playaball on the passing downs and at least
Speaker 1: the between the tackles hammer stuff you're gonna get for sure.
Speaker 1: You brought up the name Ramander as Stevenson, He's gonna
Speaker 1: remind you a bit of that as like the one
Speaker 1: cut guy. He can make the one guy in the
Speaker 1: whole miss with that sharp cut and either and then
Speaker 1: either run you over or hurtle a guy you know,
Speaker 1: and stuff like that and start motoring down field. He's
Speaker 1: got a little bit more speed than Brian Robinson, another
Speaker 1: guy people forget about Roshan. He came into Texas as
Speaker 1: a quarterback, by the way, came in and that's why
Speaker 1: he's not the best route runner right now, and surprisingly
Speaker 1: is so good and pass pro and why he's a
Speaker 1: little bit bigger two six two at running back. Usually
Speaker 1: rbs are not that tall. They moved him to running back.
Speaker 1: He embraced it, he never complained. He's a team leader.
Speaker 1: He's going to be a better pro than he was
Speaker 1: in college. And I am very excited about So. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Maybe I haven't talked about him because I am obsessed
Speaker 1: with Bijeon, but trust me, I know about my boy Roshan.
Speaker 1: I'm very excited for him. Before we get another question here,
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Speaker 1: We will see you all. There. Gonna be a fun
Speaker 1: super Bowl. Yeah. For um, we have to assume Bijean
Speaker 1: Robinson it's going to be the first running back off
Speaker 1: the board. Um right, If not, we have to ride absolutely,
Speaker 1: But what are the odds that Jamir Gibbs is number two?
Speaker 1: And do you see a likely packing orders shaping up
Speaker 1: behind those two? Very high on the first one. I
Speaker 1: would be surprised if Gibbs isn't, Like you're trying to
Speaker 1: think of scenarios where he wouldn't barring, Like, like, it's
Speaker 1: hard for me to even envision this scenario outside of
Speaker 1: putting something into the atmosphere that I don't want to so,
Speaker 1: I like, I don't want to say that he's locked in,
Speaker 1: but I think it's a very high percentage that Jamir
Speaker 1: gives as I like, I love him as a town
Speaker 1: I comp him to Devin Cook running back that plays
Speaker 1: locally here and coming to you for Minneapolis. Behind him,
Speaker 1: it's more fluid right now. It's sort to choose your flavor.
Speaker 1: It's you know, it's sort of like we're talking about
Speaker 1: with quarterbacks. After you know, whether you want to say
Speaker 1: four or five, Like if you're putting a hooker at five,
Speaker 1: you know, it becomes way more fluid after that, like
Speaker 1: after that tier or whatever. With running back, it becomes
Speaker 1: fluid pretty dang quick like that. The names behind there
Speaker 1: right now, I would probably have Sharbonnate three. But you
Speaker 1: can certainly make the argument some people love auching, right
Speaker 1: but like, probably not the guy that you're going to
Speaker 1: give you know, two hundred and fifty touches too, right like,
Speaker 1: especially right away, right like more more usage specific at
Speaker 1: one hundred and eighty five pounds. Another kid that I
Speaker 1: like and some people like him even more than me,
Speaker 1: is Zach Evans from Mississippi. We haven't seen him the
Speaker 1: value as much on the passing downs, but as far
Speaker 1: as just as a pure rusher and sort of a locomotive.
Speaker 1: You really like what you see with him. Started his
Speaker 1: career obviously at TCU and then transferred out before their
Speaker 1: title round. Was at Mississippi this past year, and they
Speaker 1: were a dominant rushing team. What was interesting about him
Speaker 1: landing at Mississippi was Mississippi just ran into one of
Speaker 1: the biggest sleepers, like the breakout recruits in Quintron Drunkens
Speaker 1: who just came out of nowhere. Was his three star
Speaker 1: running back and then was one of the best freshmen
Speaker 1: in all of America. And Jack Evans obviously did not
Speaker 1: assume that he was signing with this team. That was
Speaker 1: gonna have one of the best freshmen in America. But
Speaker 1: Evans still acquitted himself very well at Mississippi. I also
Speaker 1: really like Kenny Macintosh, another kid that I saw at
Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl. McIntosh did miss a little bit of
Speaker 1: practice because he pulled a calf or something like that, like, uh,
Speaker 1: the first day when when it was really hot, you know,
Speaker 1: I don't pulled something or whatever. But um, he's very
Speaker 1: very fluid, you know what, like and and and very
Speaker 1: skilled as a receiver. Those guys tend to start the
Speaker 1: especially the guys who have to sort of share the usage.
Speaker 1: Um uh, sort of like James Cook last year, where
Speaker 1: they come into the process a little bit lower and
Speaker 1: under the radar, and then you always invariably see these
Speaker 1: guys rise rise, rise as we get closer. Uh. Macintosh
Speaker 1: reminds me a little bit of Kenyan Drake. Um. So
Speaker 1: like guys like that. We haven't mentioned taking Bigsby, we
Speaker 1: haven't mentioned Taj Spears, another guy who saw at the
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl. One of the biggest risers there. May have
Speaker 1: been the biggest riser, especially on the offensive side of
Speaker 1: the ball. Um and then of course roche On Sean
Speaker 1: Tucker Like, so there's a lot of guys in that
Speaker 1: next tier where it's just very fluid and it's dependent
Speaker 1: on the person you talk to or the team's board
Speaker 1: that you look at, you know where where it's gonna be.
Speaker 1: That third guy Combine is gonna matter a lot. Yeah,
Speaker 1: such a class for running backs, Holy count just loaded
Speaker 1: yeah into the fourth round. It has it has top
Speaker 1: end talent, it has middle talent, and there's late talent too.
Speaker 1: So and speaking of those guys that you saw in
Speaker 1: Mobile U or Evan Hole, Taji Spears and Eric Ray
Speaker 1: were the guys that seemed to have raise their stock
Speaker 1: to most. Is that what you saw? And was there
Speaker 1: anyone else impressive? There? Those are the Yeah, those three
Speaker 1: names I put at the top. And then you know
Speaker 1: the Rochean probably is what did the one day that
Speaker 1: we saw him, um, But like Taj, I would put
Speaker 1: at the top um And and the reason for that
Speaker 1: is he confirmed all the strengths of his evaluation, well
Speaker 1: answering all the weakness and so he had a very
Speaker 1: so you know, sort of the high degree of difficulty
Speaker 1: and he sort of not only checked all the box
Speaker 1: but also you know, did the other stuff as well,
Speaker 1: the explosion was the special sauce of his evaluation. And
Speaker 1: he not only proved that, he proved that at a
Speaker 1: bigger size than we've ever seen him. He was listed
Speaker 1: at one ninety five at two lane last year, was
Speaker 1: one ninety listed before then. He told he showed up.
Speaker 1: It measured in at two l four at the Senior Bowl.
Speaker 1: He told us at the Wednesday media Breakfast immobile that
Speaker 1: he played the bowl game against USC at one ninety seven.
Speaker 1: He'd gotten up to by the end of the season.
Speaker 1: That ball game has played on January second, and he
Speaker 1: told us that he had packed on seven pounds over
Speaker 1: the past four weeks during training for the Senior Ball,
Speaker 1: and he looked very good. He looked a little bit
Speaker 1: thicker in his trunk, and you know, and the lower
Speaker 1: half as well. So it obviously been doing a lot
Speaker 1: of squats and stuff like that, been minding the diet
Speaker 1: and everything like that. And like I said, he kept
Speaker 1: the movement scales and the explosion stuff like that. And
Speaker 1: then the other thing that he opened eyes with there
Speaker 1: he was not throwing the ball a ton at two
Speaker 1: lane and was not played as much on the third down.
Speaker 1: You know, they used a little bit more of the platoons,
Speaker 1: particularly earlier on in his career. He looked very smooth
Speaker 1: as as a receiver. There a guy like m Chase
Speaker 1: Brown from Illinois also was not used much as a
Speaker 1: receiver and as a passing down guy Illinois. Conversely, you know,
Speaker 1: with regards to Brown, he did not quit himself well
Speaker 1: during the receiving drills there or the pass porl drills Inmobile.
Speaker 1: But Tajre Spears really opened eyes in that aspect when
Speaker 1: he got his opportunity to do that. So Tajre Spears
Speaker 1: was an enormous winner with regards to all that stuff.
Speaker 1: With with Evan Hall, he came in even you know,
Speaker 1: more under the radar than than Tajre Spears. But was
Speaker 1: a guy that had opened uh D brow and eyes eyes.
Speaker 1: You know, our colleague debro Um heading into this thing.
Speaker 1: Uh Evan Hall was in a very bad collegiate situation.
Speaker 1: The only guy that he really played with was Peter Scronsky.
Speaker 1: Guy that's going to go in the first round. Peter
Speaker 1: Scronsky's a great player. That tackle it north Ester, But
Speaker 1: the rest of the offense stunked. The offensive. The rest
Speaker 1: of the offensive line around Scronsky stunk, The quarterback was bad,
Speaker 1: the receivers were bad, and so Evan Hall became sort
Speaker 1: of a marked man on that team that ended up
Speaker 1: going one and eleven. They beat uh Nebraska in Ireland
Speaker 1: and the opener, and then they ended up losing the
Speaker 1: rest of the games. But like you could tell that
Speaker 1: this the physical skills that Evan Hall had, even you know,
Speaker 1: amidst the sort of quagmire of an offense. First, like
Speaker 1: the thing that jumps out is how diverse his skill
Speaker 1: set is. He was amongst the leaders in like in
Speaker 1: all the running backs in the nation in terms of
Speaker 1: a dot in terms of percentages snaps lined up in
Speaker 1: the slot, terms of percentages of snaps lined up out wide,
Speaker 1: terms of receptions, in terms of target, it's in terms
Speaker 1: of receiving yards, all these different receiving things. He has
Speaker 1: very skilled as a receiver. It's not just the routes
Speaker 1: side of the backfield. It's again the utility when you
Speaker 1: can motion them out into the slot, motion them out wide.
Speaker 1: He is playable out there. It's not just as a gimmick.
Speaker 1: He is legitimately he can run the routes from the
Speaker 1: slot and from out wide as well. I also think
Speaker 1: he is underrated as a runner. He has the short
Speaker 1: area of quickness, the um, the acceleration from a stop.
Speaker 1: He can also get get out wide and take the edge,
Speaker 1: the lateral agility and stuff like that. There was a
Speaker 1: question in his evaluation about long speed that I think
Speaker 1: was essentially a myth. He's not like an Olympic level
Speaker 1: sprinter for sure, But like, and I saw scouting reports
Speaker 1: Evan Hole scouting reports coming in where people were like
Speaker 1: forwarding this notion that he was going to run in
Speaker 1: the four sixes, which I just think was bs. We
Speaker 1: talked to Evan Hall there and Evan Hole says he's
Speaker 1: going to run in the four fours in Indianapolis. Now,
Speaker 1: Evan Hole might be going a little far, Like I
Speaker 1: think he's gonna run in the four fives, but like
Speaker 1: I think there's a better shot that he runs in
Speaker 1: the four fours four sixes. Yeah, I didn't run in
Speaker 1: the four sixes. So I think Evan Hall is a
Speaker 1: sleeper both for NFL teams but also for fantasy players
Speaker 1: and for dynasty players, because if nothing else, he's going
Speaker 1: to be a good one B back in the NFL.
Speaker 1: He's going to be a good passing down back if
Speaker 1: nothing else. But again I also think he is underrated
Speaker 1: as as a pure runner, there's a shot that Evan
Speaker 1: Hall becomes like the one a back of a committee.
Speaker 1: As a runner, he reminds me of bet At James Robinson.
Speaker 1: And as a receiver he holds his own like he
Speaker 1: could be like a top twenty receiving back in the NFL.
Speaker 1: So I would keep my eyes on Evan Hall. How far?
Speaker 1: I just wanted to quick follow up Pat. I just
Speaker 1: want to know how far Chase Brown fell, because I
Speaker 1: know Chase Brown had a terrible week. You know, he
Speaker 1: had fumble issues, big pass protection issues. But this is
Speaker 1: a guy with over three hundred carries this year. Like
Speaker 1: we know he can tote the rock, but he had
Speaker 1: a hard time hanging on to it and you know
Speaker 1: the little things, the intangibles. The receiving hasn't been good.
Speaker 1: So he's north south and that seems about it right now.
Speaker 1: How far did he fall? Big follower? Yeah, I was
Speaker 1: a little a bit more tepid on him coming in,
Speaker 1: so maybe just in comparison to where I came in,
Speaker 1: maybe not as much. But like the people that were
Speaker 1: big fans of him, but he definitely dropped further on
Speaker 1: their boards. Like for me, he is like a late
Speaker 1: date three guy, like right maybe yeah, Like I mean,
Speaker 1: and I might not even draft him, And again I'm
Speaker 1: lower on him than others. But like you know, you
Speaker 1: talk about like answering questions of the event and then
Speaker 1: proving your strengths. He did basically the opposite, like the
Speaker 1: strengths of Chase Brown. His profile. It was doing damage
Speaker 1: in the second and the third levels at Illinois, you know,
Speaker 1: and they had a really good run blocking offensive line
Speaker 1: last year, and so he was able to you know,
Speaker 1: he's able to get you know, sort of scream into
Speaker 1: the second level and then get out into the third
Speaker 1: level and then you know, take it to the house.
Speaker 1: Whatever at the senior bowlt that wasn't available to him.
Speaker 1: We very very rarely saw him get out into the
Speaker 1: second level and then be able to sort of go
Speaker 1: out there whatever the questions on his evaluation. It was
Speaker 1: the third down utility that I was I was talking
Speaker 1: about before. You rarely saw him catching the ball. And
Speaker 1: he didn't appear to be a good pass blocker either.
Speaker 1: He was getting ragged alls in the pass bro drills
Speaker 1: in mobile and the receiving utility did not appear to
Speaker 1: be there whatsoever. He was not good in the one
Speaker 1: on ones as far as the route running whatsoever. Like
Speaker 1: I mean, the defenders were in his back pocket the
Speaker 1: entire time. They were at the catch point with him
Speaker 1: every single time. And then when the balls got there,
Speaker 1: they were clanging off his hands like I mean, whether
Speaker 1: they were contested or not. There were some like dump
Speaker 1: offs or his wide open to bons off his hands.
Speaker 1: And then you mentioned the fumble problems, like I don't
Speaker 1: have the numbers in front of me from the charting,
Speaker 1: but from what I remember, he fumbled the ball more
Speaker 1: as a runner than the other runners as well. It
Speaker 1: just was not a very good week for Chase Brown whatsoever.
Speaker 1: So for me, he did not You didn't see proof
Speaker 1: of concept of the strength of his evaluation and the
Speaker 1: weaknesses of his evaluation. Not only did he not disprove them,
Speaker 1: but they all came to the forefront ordered the definition
Speaker 1: of a loser of the Senior Bowl. Yikes. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: was I was going to ask you a question about
Speaker 1: devon a chain, but I mean, I think it's pretty
Speaker 1: much what you said. And how teams view him with
Speaker 1: the size or whatever I mean he's he's not Darren Sprowles.
Speaker 1: I mean, the guy will definitely run through contact as
Speaker 1: you guys saw, and like A and M worked him
Speaker 1: pretty hard. But just kind of an interpretation. So let's
Speaker 1: move to wide receiver. And I'm curious thort three guys,
Speaker 1: it seems like it maybe kind of separated themselves from
Speaker 1: the rest of the pack. Maybe that's not true, but
Speaker 1: do you think it's it's if it is in the
Speaker 1: top three Quintin Johnston, Jordan Addison and Jackson Smith and
Speaker 1: Jigba do you think that's the top three? I feel
Speaker 1: like you're a Quintin Johnston guy. Is that true? Is
Speaker 1: he yere number one? Yeah? Yeah, I'm a big fan
Speaker 1: of Quintin. And by the way, I think Quentin Johnson
Speaker 1: could be better in the NFL than he was in college. Guys,
Speaker 1: spoiler alert, we didn't talk about, we didn't touch on.
Speaker 1: But I'm not big Max Dugan guy, because Matt Max Dugan,
Speaker 1: he's one of the worst field readers, like of like
Speaker 1: going through the progressions of like any of these quarterbacks
Speaker 1: you'll ever see. But there were let's just say there
Speaker 1: was a lot of yards left on the field where
Speaker 1: Clinton Johnson's like, dude, like like, I'm open tossing the ball.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I think that was a reason Douglan was
Speaker 1: going to get benched at the beginning of this year, right,
Speaker 1: was because he wasn't six four guy with four three speed.
Speaker 1: Please A thousand percent was one thousand percent coming out
Speaker 1: of camp. It's a great point, um, But yeah, no,
Speaker 1: so I'd have him number one. UM. Number two is
Speaker 1: where it gets closer for me. But I actually don't
Speaker 1: have JSN in my top three. I do have Json
Speaker 1: number four, um because of cost certainty, not because the ceiling.
Speaker 1: I questioned js and ceiling for me, Jason is a
Speaker 1: is a high volume slot receiver in the NFL, But
Speaker 1: I don't, like, I don't think JSN can play on
Speaker 1: the outside in the NFL. So I just think he's
Speaker 1: like a volume you know, shuttle, the shuttle kind of
Speaker 1: a that that you I mean, like, I do think
Speaker 1: he's gonna catch a lot of balls per season, but
Speaker 1: he's not explosive, so like you're you know, you know,
Speaker 1: like I said, just order the Stasian, the Stasion guy. Uh.
Speaker 1: My second and third guys would be Addison of course,
Speaker 1: and then Zay Flowers. I think Zay Flowers is a
Speaker 1: hell of a talent. Um. We didn't get to see
Speaker 1: him in the very small at the Shrine Game five nine,
Speaker 1: Say is that concerning at all? He's very small, but
Speaker 1: he's very very explosive and he is very very sudden.
Speaker 1: I love him, very difficult to stay with. Yeah. Um,
Speaker 1: you know when he played under the Spotlight as well
Speaker 1: at Boston College, he had an opportunity to leave Boston
Speaker 1: College after last and I thought he was going to
Speaker 1: probably should have. He probably should have. There was rampant
Speaker 1: rumors that he was going to transfer, but he ended up,
Speaker 1: you know, being loyal and staying at Boston College. And
Speaker 1: then Boston College had another nightmare season or whatever, like
Speaker 1: they're there, they were playing like walk ons and offensive
Speaker 1: line and converted defensive tackles offensive line because it became
Speaker 1: so bad there or whatever. But Zay Flowers is a
Speaker 1: hell of a talent. Eric Gulco, the CEO or director
Speaker 1: whatever his title is of the Shrine Game, compares Zay
Speaker 1: Flowers to Jayleen Waddle. Um, that might be taking a
Speaker 1: little he might be a little bit by. He might
Speaker 1: be taking a little bit part, but he is Zay
Speaker 1: Flowers is certainly along that line of continuum. There's not
Speaker 1: many guys that move that well and are that explosive.
Speaker 1: So like that's in Addison, he offers you, you know,
Speaker 1: going back to the work cost certainty. Um like he's
Speaker 1: just so efficient, um like, and the rout running is
Speaker 1: just so good. Obviously, the year before its speaking of transfers,
Speaker 1: Addison was at pitt and he won the bullet Nikoff
Speaker 1: with Kenny pick He. Jordan Addison made Kenny pick In
Speaker 1: a lot of money that that year whatever. But then
Speaker 1: he goes to us he played with Kayleb Williams. Wasn't
Speaker 1: quite as you know, uh productive, I think, as we thought,
Speaker 1: but of course he was. Um he suffered through a
Speaker 1: couple of nagging injuries last year. But I like how smooth,
Speaker 1: like sort of buttery smooth Jordan Addison is. And I
Speaker 1: know he's going to have a super duber long career
Speaker 1: because of how smooth he is and the technical know
Speaker 1: how that he has. But like that's where you're like,
Speaker 1: if if if if Zay Flowers is like more well
Speaker 1: fortified and like I knew that he wasn't gonna get
Speaker 1: injured at all, but you know, of course that's sort
Speaker 1: of the trucks of it. I would have him, I
Speaker 1: would for sure have him above Addison, but like just
Speaker 1: sort of that, that's the thought experiment of it. Why
Speaker 1: it's like who am I gonna put two? But like that,
Speaker 1: that's where I'm back and forth on those two guys.
Speaker 1: Where does Jalen Hyatt fit the word? Because I've seen
Speaker 1: a lot of buzz on Hyatt, you know, working his
Speaker 1: way into the first round. Is that a possibility? I mean,
Speaker 1: this is a guy with an unbelievable explosion, great slot
Speaker 1: wide receiver, very fast, always open, snaps off a route.
Speaker 1: But he seemed like a slot guy. And you know
Speaker 1: a lot of themes are a lot of things coming
Speaker 1: out of Tennessee are schemes specific to get him open. Um.
Speaker 1: So I just, uh, where does he fit on your
Speaker 1: board right now? Probably have high it uh wide receiver
Speaker 1: five or six some somewhere somewhere in that sort of range. Um,
Speaker 1: I'm not as high on high it as a couple
Speaker 1: other guys because he was the one year wonder, you know,
Speaker 1: the year before it was Tillman. Tilman was the guy
Speaker 1: that everybody was interested. And then obviously Tillman had the
Speaker 1: injury this year and he was out for most of
Speaker 1: the year, and then high it ends up breaking out.
Speaker 1: But even when when Hyatt broke out, it's it's the
Speaker 1: one trick pony utility, you know, and and the guy
Speaker 1: that that you compot, it's this one sort of obvious
Speaker 1: it's Will Faller, you know, you have the similar sort
Speaker 1: of build, and then it's it's going down field, and
Speaker 1: there's there's absolutely a utility to that. But like you know,
Speaker 1: like with the receiver position, I you know, if I'm
Speaker 1: gonna take a guy in the first round, I just
Speaker 1: want a little bit more fleshed out of the skill
Speaker 1: set where they can beat you at more levels of
Speaker 1: the field. Yeah, as you can say Paris Campbell, you know,
Speaker 1: that same type of slot guy gonna be very good
Speaker 1: in the slot. You can't move him outside and you
Speaker 1: better hope he's wide open because he's not making contestant catches.
Speaker 1: Or where does Josh Downs fit in for you? Downs?
Speaker 1: I would have I would have him just a little
Speaker 1: bit behind Hyatt, like I'd probably have I'd have Downs
Speaker 1: like what would that be like seven or eight? Or
Speaker 1: actually i'd have I'd have boutet above Downs. So I
Speaker 1: guess I'd have downs like eight um, but like downs,
Speaker 1: you know, it's another one where his utility, it's it's
Speaker 1: winning downfield. So it's you know, you saw a lot
Speaker 1: of those those fly routes, but like a concern for
Speaker 1: him coming out of that system. You know, we talked
Speaker 1: about this with Diamie Brown with with un seeing that
Speaker 1: longo system. They don't ask their receivers to do a
Speaker 1: ton and in some ways they don't ask the quarterbacks
Speaker 1: to do as much because they cut the field in half.
Speaker 1: You know, it's like it's like a numbers game, but
Speaker 1: like with the receivers, they're either asking to run the
Speaker 1: fly route or else it's like something closer. You don't
Speaker 1: see the entire route tree like you do with some
Speaker 1: of these other teams or some of these other receivers.
Speaker 1: So we didn't get to see the entire flashed out thing.
Speaker 1: But like you have seen Josh Downs consistently win down
Speaker 1: field in a way that with some of these other
Speaker 1: guys you have it. So at least like you have that,
Speaker 1: like we know that we're going to see that. I
Speaker 1: want to see improve the concept of that athleticism in Indianapolis.
Speaker 1: Once he stamps at improves that concept sort of solidify
Speaker 1: that stock. But yeah, I mean, you know, I'll have
Speaker 1: him somewhere in that range. At the Senior Bowl, Thoor,
Speaker 1: Michael Wilson might have been the highest riser of the
Speaker 1: whole game in week it Maybe Dwan Jones maybe has
Speaker 1: something to say about that. I mean, his agent was
Speaker 1: like quit practicing after day two, you know, or whatever,
Speaker 1: because he was so dominant. But Michael Wilson was dominant
Speaker 1: all week and in the game. A couple other wide
Speaker 1: receivers definitely got some helium here. Jane Reid from Michigan State,
Speaker 1: Tanked del from Houston, and Pookakua from Washington all rising
Speaker 1: or BYU all rising up boards here? Um? Is that?
Speaker 1: Do you agree with those names? And did anyone else
Speaker 1: stand out positively or negatively for you among the white outs? Well, first,
Speaker 1: with regards to Dewan Jones, He's the second human being
Speaker 1: ever where I've kept my distance because I'm physically afraid
Speaker 1: of around that. It was the first Daniel Daniel fil
Speaker 1: al A twenty nineteen tambo I made sure to be
Speaker 1: arms length away. But like with those two, you had
Speaker 1: to be even for you know, it's like double or
Speaker 1: stand over here please thank you. Yeah, But like I
Speaker 1: was in the like because Dewan this was on Thursday,
Speaker 1: and Dewan Jones he pulled out after Tuesday, you know,
Speaker 1: at the event, but like he stayed there and he
Speaker 1: was down in that tunnel, and I was like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, because it's like, you know, it's like the
Speaker 1: Mountain and Game of Thrones. Yeah, yeah, or even when
Speaker 1: you're watching on the screen, you're afraid. It's like and
Speaker 1: he seems like a super nice kid, but it's like mother,
Speaker 1: like you just don't see human beings that big. And
Speaker 1: Dewan Jones he not only is he or well, like
Speaker 1: his his hands are like like his knuckles are almost
Speaker 1: like on the ground. It's like, oh my God, Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I didn't know God made human beings like that demension.
Speaker 1: It's it's just like holy crap um. So yeah, it
Speaker 1: was just like in person, it's like holy crap um.
Speaker 1: But I need to get back on who'd you asked
Speaker 1: my Michael Wilson was the highest riser and then the
Speaker 1: other guys on the list that I saw where Jane
Speaker 1: Reid tanked down poking a coup. Yeah, as far as
Speaker 1: Michael Willison and Bogman. You you know, as a college
Speaker 1: football guy, you're gonna know where I'm going. Specifically, uh,
Speaker 1: college fantasy football guy. Michael Wilson is a guy that
Speaker 1: I had a dubrous college fantasy football teams over over
Speaker 1: the years. And he was a sort of a frustrating
Speaker 1: asset because yet at him, because he'd go off one week,
Speaker 1: you know, he'd have like eight catches for like, you know,
Speaker 1: ninety four yards, and then he would get injured and
Speaker 1: then he'd be out for three weeks, and then he'd
Speaker 1: like slowly work his way back and then he'd go
Speaker 1: off for another game. Then he'd have another nagging injury
Speaker 1: and he'd be out for three weeks. And it was
Speaker 1: just his entire career was like stop starts, stop starts.
Speaker 1: Throw in a slow Neanderthal offense as well, and yeah, exaggerating,
Speaker 1: Yeah he was. He was in a bad situation and
Speaker 1: he was yeah, constantly on and off the field. But
Speaker 1: the frustrating thing was every time you watched him play,
Speaker 1: he has the town. He absolutely looks like an NFL receiver.
Speaker 1: He absolutely has an NFL game, and he was playing
Speaker 1: with an NFL quarterback and ostensibly or supposedly an NFL
Speaker 1: head coach. But but but yet it just was like
Speaker 1: it just wouldn't completely go. You'd see the flashes of it,
Speaker 1: and and you know specific games there's like two or
Speaker 1: three games of years like that's the Michael Wilson, but
Speaker 1: like you know, it just you know, the consistency wasn't there,
Speaker 1: in part because of the health and the circumstances around him.
Speaker 1: But this week or last week, you know in mobile
Speaker 1: we got to see it over the multiple days and
Speaker 1: then into the game whatever. Um, there's there's a ton
Speaker 1: to like about his game when he gets to stay
Speaker 1: on the field. Built like an NFL receiver, he has
Speaker 1: the contact balance and the play strength down the field.
Speaker 1: He ain't affected by getting bummed. Like there's some of
Speaker 1: these guys where you can sort of bump them off
Speaker 1: their path or where you get your your hands on
Speaker 1: them u off the line of scrimmage where you can
Speaker 1: really hinder their path, or you can sort of funnel
Speaker 1: them where you want to go, Like Julius Brenton the
Speaker 1: one on one is great at this, Like he's just
Speaker 1: like a funnel. He's like you're going this way or
Speaker 1: you're going that way, like Michael, Yeah, he's a pterodact.
Speaker 1: Michael Wilson has them hands man. But but like, but
Speaker 1: like Michael Wilson's like no, I'm not like like I'm
Speaker 1: going where where I want to go, you know, And
Speaker 1: it's like but you just can't affect him and the
Speaker 1: body control it plays down field like he's doing what
Speaker 1: he wants to do, um very well, fortified, and he
Speaker 1: has the ball skills, so like, and you see all
Speaker 1: this different stuff, and he's more athletic than you give
Speaker 1: him credit for at that size. So like all that
Speaker 1: stuff sort of coalesced this week, and he was opening
Speaker 1: a lot of people's eyes, a lot of people that
Speaker 1: hadn't seen him in college or maybe people that hadn't
Speaker 1: gotten around to his tape yet because like he just
Speaker 1: flew in so under the radar because that collegiate profile
Speaker 1: wasn't there because of some of the circumstances that we
Speaker 1: talked about. So he was a big time riser. You
Speaker 1: mentioned Jaden Reid, He really opened up eyes because of
Speaker 1: the movement skills. We knew that that kid was fast,
Speaker 1: but he's also so dang sudden, you know, Like it
Speaker 1: was just really hard for people to stay with him
Speaker 1: and those one on ones just so damn sudden out
Speaker 1: of the route breaks and everything like that. I think
Speaker 1: the other thing about him that impressed people was the
Speaker 1: ball scales, you know, Like I don't think that people
Speaker 1: gave him credit for those ball scales in the body
Speaker 1: control at the catchpoints, like the guy with the bad
Speaker 1: quarterback situation in college, terrible terrible quarterbacks. Yeah, his offensive
Speaker 1: circumstances were not good and so he got a you know,
Speaker 1: a better opportunity here to impress. Absolutely took advantage of that.
Speaker 1: Was one of the most athletic receivers out there. So yeah,
Speaker 1: who pooka Naka Pooga Nakua looked good on Tuesday and
Speaker 1: then you know, he pulled out of the event after that.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure if he had an injury that wasn't
Speaker 1: disclosed or if he just decided to peace at um,
Speaker 1: but he looked good on Tuesday. Like the limited looks
Speaker 1: that we got it. Tank, Tank looked awesome. Yeah, Tank
Speaker 1: might have been the most impressive receiver out there. It
Speaker 1: was a It's an event that Bohoo's tanks skill set
Speaker 1: because like nobody can stay with Tank and in one
Speaker 1: on ones, you know, like in like in the open
Speaker 1: field or whatever. The only way to stop tank if
Speaker 1: you're in one on one coverage or them, Like there's
Speaker 1: two tanks in this trap by the way, one is
Speaker 1: a tank and the other is absolutely not a tank.
Speaker 1: And I will talk about the not a tank here. Yeah.
Speaker 1: The other one is like when you call like a
Speaker 1: skinny person like biggie yeah or big guy slim right yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah,
Speaker 1: But like the the only way to stop him if
Speaker 1: it's like a one on one assignment, you must shut
Speaker 1: him down at the line of scrimmage, like in like
Speaker 1: in the press, you just have to get your hands
Speaker 1: all over. You don't do that, You're you're you're cooked.
Speaker 1: It's you're already dead. Um, And so like it we
Speaker 1: only saw that a little bit on Tuesday, Brents. You know,
Speaker 1: it's like the one guy that could just a little bit,
Speaker 1: but like anyone that didn't do that, they were dead.
Speaker 1: And so people were getting cooked. They were getting cooked
Speaker 1: by tank on Tuesday, and on Wednesday you started to
Speaker 1: see a new strategy by the cornerbacks in the one
Speaker 1: on ones where they were literally just grabbing onto tank
Speaker 1: out of his route brakes. And so the little play refs,
Speaker 1: you know, like they had the refs out there, you know,
Speaker 1: like the fake what They were actually throwing the flakes
Speaker 1: in the practices on Wednesday, which you almost never see it,
Speaker 1: but it was so obvious because you would see literally
Speaker 1: see tanks jersey most time. They're like, guys, just let
Speaker 1: them practice, right exactly, like they're mostly out there, They're
Speaker 1: just out there for decoration. But like, yeah, it was
Speaker 1: so comical that they were having to throw the flakes.
Speaker 1: Nobody could stay with that kid. But but the defenders
Speaker 1: were just like, yeah, let's just go to the next rep.
Speaker 1: I don't want to get embarrassed by this kid again.
Speaker 1: Let's close with tight ends. Thor and I remember when
Speaker 1: we had you on the last show of our most
Speaker 1: recent season before we went dark for the NFL regular season.
Speaker 1: We closed with tight ends, and I remember you teasing
Speaker 1: it and saying that you thought this was going to
Speaker 1: be a pretty good tight end class us. And uh,
Speaker 1: you know, the other day I was, I think it
Speaker 1: was flying back from Vegas and looking at Daniel Jeremiah's
Speaker 1: top fifty, and I think I saw five tight ends
Speaker 1: in his top forty five. So do you think this
Speaker 1: is one of the better tight end classes we've had
Speaker 1: in recent years. And who do you kind of like?
Speaker 1: I think Michael Mayer is sort of the consensus number one,
Speaker 1: and you know, I've heard the Jason Witton cops with them,
Speaker 1: but maybe spotlights some of the other guys you like. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the overall tight end class is great. Unfortunately the tight
Speaker 1: end class of Mobile wasn't quite as good because you know,
Speaker 1: a lot of these guys didn't show up to We
Speaker 1: did get Musgrave there, but the overall tight end class
Speaker 1: in the draft is great. You mentioned Mayor. I love
Speaker 1: Dalton Kincaid. Uh. You know, I don't know how many
Speaker 1: people have gotten to watch him. You have from Utah,
Speaker 1: but he broke out in a big way this year. Fabulous,
Speaker 1: fabulous receiver. He is super skilled, and he was supposed
Speaker 1: to be the second best tight end on his team,
Speaker 1: right Brank Kecky was supposed to be better than him,
Speaker 1: Brand Keithy. Yeah, and then brand Keithy gets injured early
Speaker 1: in the years. So then yeah, they do run the
Speaker 1: two tight end sets. But then uh, Kincaid became like
Speaker 1: the you know he then he was super duper featured
Speaker 1: and just like I said, really too, Um Darnell Washington
Speaker 1: is like, uh the super freak like Monstar from Space
Speaker 1: Jam kind of a guy, like he's uh six seven
Speaker 1: or six eight and like two hundred and seventy five
Speaker 1: pounds and moves super duper well. I'm really curious to
Speaker 1: see how he tests. But that the guy from Georgia
Speaker 1: who's essentially like a third offensive tackle on the line
Speaker 1: but can also catch um solid athlete at that side,
Speaker 1: like a really good athlete for that size. And then uh,
Speaker 1: the fourth guy in that that sort of consensus top
Speaker 1: four and I think has now solidified him as himself
Speaker 1: as that after Mobile is Musgrave. Like Musgrave was like
Speaker 1: the guy that people were excited about. I needed to
Speaker 1: see it because Musgrave he was expected to break out
Speaker 1: this past fall. Like people knew he was athletic, he
Speaker 1: has the frame, has the bloodlines you know, his dad,
Speaker 1: his bill or whatever. Um, But like we didn't. We
Speaker 1: hadn't seen it because I think prior to this past
Speaker 1: year he'd only started like ten games or something in
Speaker 1: his career, but then he got injured very early into
Speaker 1: last season, so like we we just like I think
Speaker 1: right now he's only started fourteen career games and you know,
Speaker 1: he's only had like forty some career Catchez, but like
Speaker 1: you know on his film, he moves really well. You
Speaker 1: know that he's a good athlete. We have some of
Speaker 1: the spring testing from him. He went out and confirmed
Speaker 1: that he was the fastest tight end by the max speed.
Speaker 1: You know that they have the zebra tracking or whatever.
Speaker 1: He's one of the few tight ends I think that
Speaker 1: with the zebra tracking has ever gone over twenty miles
Speaker 1: per hour. So, like, I mean, he's gone out and
Speaker 1: proved it with the um the you know, the analytics
Speaker 1: that at least that the Senior Bowl gives you, and
Speaker 1: he's we know that he's going to test really well.
Speaker 1: I think they extrapolated out where they uh, you know
Speaker 1: as far as like the tracking data two of four
Speaker 1: or fives uh in Indie. So like, you know, we'll
Speaker 1: see if he ends up going out and improving the
Speaker 1: concept of that. But he's expect to go out and
Speaker 1: test very well. So, um, you know, does he get
Speaker 1: into the first round. I'm not sure about that, but
Speaker 1: pretty sure he's gonna at least be a top fifty pick.
Speaker 1: And then I think there's at least two other tight
Speaker 1: ends outside of that. That that probably get into round
Speaker 1: two as well. I like Sam Laporta, the kid from
Speaker 1: Iowa that I know pretty well. He was man basically
Speaker 1: they're only source of offense. Said, yeah, he was stranded
Speaker 1: at just about the worst offensive situation that you could
Speaker 1: ever be in, but still managed to catch balls every
Speaker 1: single game. Um, and then Tucker Craft is he you know,
Speaker 1: I was gonna say mystery box, you know, just because
Speaker 1: he's jumping up in competition, but um, South Dakota State
Speaker 1: won the FCS title last year and we have plenty
Speaker 1: of tape of that kid catching a lot of balls.
Speaker 1: And by the way, South Dakota State actually opened the
Speaker 1: season against Iowa last years. We had a very good
Speaker 1: tight end matchup in that one. So that was the
Speaker 1: safety safety field goal game, right, They got to seven points,
Speaker 1: but it was safety safety field goal. So well, thor
Speaker 1: thank you so much for joining us on Dynasty Pod
Speaker 1: to talk about your experience at the Senior Bowl and
Speaker 1: some of these other prospects at thor ku on the Twitter,
Speaker 1: and please tell everyone what you have coming up and
Speaker 1: where they can find everything that you do. Yeah, we
Speaker 1: got we're gonna be starting the Scouting Report series and
Speaker 1: that and the position by position ranking, so you can
Speaker 1: be looking for that on Fantasy Pros coming up, and
Speaker 1: we'll be we'll be running through that over the next
Speaker 1: couple of months, culminating in the thor five hundred, five
Speaker 1: hundred player big Board with five hundred comps. So I'll
Speaker 1: be looking for that this spring and at fits Underscore
Speaker 1: f F for Fitzy. What do we have coming up? Fits?
Speaker 1: What are you? What are you up to these days?
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Speaker 1: So you know some good player props for the Super Bowl,
Speaker 1: and you know one that includes an NBA player too,
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