Speaker 1: Welcome back to everybody. It's a Fantasy Pros Dynasty Fantasy
Speaker 1: football podcast. I'm your host, Scott Bogman. Follow me on
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Speaker 1: Pat Fitzmorris at fits Underscore f f on the Twitter
Speaker 1: Machine Fit see how we do A man looking forward
Speaker 1: to the combine and everything. Oh yeah, Bogs, we are
Speaker 1: getting into it with the combine. Man. That is setting
Speaker 1: the stage for draft season. Proper man. Once the combine
Speaker 1: gets going, like you are knee deep in draft season. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: and we're gonna be talking about the combine at the
Speaker 1: end of the show today. But we're also gonna be
Speaker 1: talking about some tight ends. We're gonna talk about our
Speaker 1: dynasty tight end rankings before the draft and free agency.
Speaker 1: There's not a lot of tight ends fits that are
Speaker 1: huge free agents. This isn't the class of the quarterbacks.
Speaker 1: We're not playing the big musical chairs notes that we were.
Speaker 1: We've got Dalton Schultz Evan Ingram are probably the two
Speaker 1: biggest free agent tight ends we have. Mike Asiki will
Speaker 1: probably be leaving Miami. Robert Tonyan I would assume goes
Speaker 1: back Hayden Hurst. I don't know if Cincinnati can afford him.
Speaker 1: Irv Smith in Chowan Johnson is a restricted free agent,
Speaker 1: so I would assume that that dude is probably gonna
Speaker 1: get at least an offer from another team. So, you know,
Speaker 1: the tight ends are fairly set outside of you know,
Speaker 1: those couple of pieces, but this class coming in is
Speaker 1: also fairly deep, and it was I feel like at
Speaker 1: the beginning of draft season it was you know, Mayor
Speaker 1: in Washington and that was it. Now we're getting more
Speaker 1: Luke Musgrave buzz and if you watch him, you know,
Speaker 1: limited film, but he's fun. Dalton Kincaide is getting a
Speaker 1: lot of buzz, and there's other guys down the board
Speaker 1: that are moving up boards and in the combine obviously
Speaker 1: is going to be very important there. But your thoughts
Speaker 1: on the free agent class in the incoming class before
Speaker 1: we go over our rankings here, the potential free agent
Speaker 1: who most intrigues me, BOGS is Mike GISSICKI for sure,
Speaker 1: and you mentioned Hayden Hurst, Like, I don't know if
Speaker 1: Cincinnati can afford Mike Gisicky, but man, I would love
Speaker 1: to see this dude go to a better situation because
Speaker 1: it's funny. Last year didn't the Dolphins franchise tag him,
Speaker 1: and they did, and then they totally aced him out
Speaker 1: of the offense. He had fifty two targets in the
Speaker 1: seventh house. Seemed real quick, right, Yeah, I mean, and
Speaker 1: I just like, I don't think that he fit in
Speaker 1: Mike McDaniel's offense. And like three point one targets a
Speaker 1: game and the guy for fifty two targets, the guy
Speaker 1: still had five touchdowns. He is one of the most
Speaker 1: athletic tight ends in the National Football League and he
Speaker 1: was just completely a non factor in that offense. I'd
Speaker 1: like to see him go somewhere where he can once
Speaker 1: again be like a fantasy relevant tight end. We need
Speaker 1: to get him somewhere where they actually passed to the
Speaker 1: tight end. You know he can't. Cincinnati the quarterback would
Speaker 1: be great. I would love to see him with Joe
Speaker 1: Burrow and he'd obviously get more targeted there than he
Speaker 1: was in Miami. But their offensive line is so bad.
Speaker 1: Like Darnell Washington is a perfect fit for that team.
Speaker 1: Give them a six offensive linemen. You know, a dude
Speaker 1: that can also get down the field and catch a
Speaker 1: little bit, and he'll also be open because you're covering
Speaker 1: t Higgins, you're covering Tyler Boyd, you're covering Tamar Chase,
Speaker 1: like you know, you gotta figure it out. So I
Speaker 1: like someone different that can block for Cincinnati. But um,
Speaker 1: you know, just put him in a spot like you said,
Speaker 1: where they'll they'll put him in the slot, throw the
Speaker 1: ball to him. You know in in Miami system in
Speaker 1: San Francisco that you know Shanahan style offense, it's guys
Speaker 1: like Kittle. You gotta be a combo guy to do stuff.
Speaker 1: M Smith was more of that guy for them, and
Speaker 1: he's also a potential cut candidate because he would save
Speaker 1: them some money against the cap in Miami. So there
Speaker 1: are going to be some moves. I think a sicky
Speaker 1: is interesting on this list, but my favorite is probably
Speaker 1: like does Schultz stay? Are they gonna Are they gonna
Speaker 1: pay him or are they get the Cowboys gonna go
Speaker 1: with Jake Ferguson or someone else? Are they gonna draft someone? Potentially?
Speaker 1: I know some mocks have seen Michael Mayer go there,
Speaker 1: so I'm interested to see what the Cowboys do because
Speaker 1: you know, now Dak loves throwing to Schultz, so I
Speaker 1: could see him loving throwing to a different side. End,
Speaker 1: Peyton Hendershott had some big games when Schultz was banged
Speaker 1: up to this year. So yeah, I think I'm interested
Speaker 1: in in Evan Ingram maybe going back to Jacksonville and
Speaker 1: who lands back in Dallas or who gets drafted to Dallas. Yeah,
Speaker 1: for the purposes of dynasty value bogs Like, I think
Speaker 1: this is a good time to sell Schultz because I
Speaker 1: don't think a situation can get as good for him.
Speaker 1: I think it's a good time to buy Gisicky for
Speaker 1: anyone who's really down on him after he, you know,
Speaker 1: completely was a non factor for their dynasty teams last
Speaker 1: year and inevitably we'll go to a better landing spots,
Speaker 1: you know than the Miami situation. And you mentioned it
Speaker 1: with my guy Jake Ferguson from Wisconsin and Peyton Hendershot,
Speaker 1: Like those guys are good. Ferguson is really athletic, man. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And he was the best pass catcher Wisconsin had in
Speaker 1: his final season there, Like their white outs were terrible.
Speaker 1: Ferguson was their go to guy. But you know, he
Speaker 1: didn't really shine because we had Graham Murtz as our quarterback.
Speaker 1: It's not very good, but man, like, I think Ferguson
Speaker 1: could be a real sneaky acquisition and you could probably
Speaker 1: get him for what a fourth rounder or something. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he could be a throw in on a trade too.
Speaker 1: If you're looking at a trade and you're like, give
Speaker 1: me whatever, and give me Ferguson back, can you throw
Speaker 1: back whatever? You know, if your rookie draft is beyond
Speaker 1: three rounds and you're throwing a fourth or a fifth
Speaker 1: round back, you're probably making out pretty solid getting Ferguson.
Speaker 1: So he could be a toss in on a trade.
Speaker 1: And you know, I know the tight end shows don't
Speaker 1: do as well because people aren't as interested in tight ends,
Speaker 1: but these can be a major factor for you and
Speaker 1: in dynasty if you have a good one. You know,
Speaker 1: if you have Travis Kelsey, you know you don't have
Speaker 1: to worry about tight end until he retires, right, So
Speaker 1: same thing if you have Mark Andrews or Kyle Pitts.
Speaker 1: Sure you you know, tight ends brutal position. You have
Speaker 1: to have at least one backup, but you don't have
Speaker 1: to rack your brain over tight end decisions if you
Speaker 1: have one of those top ones. So they can be very,
Speaker 1: very valuable. So are you ready to dive in and
Speaker 1: give us your tier one of tight ends fifty twelve
Speaker 1: to one. I am Bogs And you know a lot
Speaker 1: of people playing in dynasty leagues that are tight end
Speaker 1: premium these days too, which stops the anti on tight ends.
Speaker 1: So maybe people are paying closer attention. Those people should
Speaker 1: be paying way more attention. Absolutely definitely. And I like
Speaker 1: you and I are top three completely different. We have
Speaker 1: the same guys, but they are ordered different. I can't
Speaker 1: wait to get into this box because we have a
Speaker 1: completely different top three, each of us the same guys
Speaker 1: in the top three, but ordered it differently. And I
Speaker 1: can't wait to debate that with you. So um yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll right off my top twelve here. I got Kyle
Speaker 1: Pitts tight end one, Travis Kelsey tight End two, Mark Andrews,
Speaker 1: TJ Hockinson, Dallas Goddard's, George Kittle, Pat Friarmouth, David Najoku,
Speaker 1: Cole Comet, Greg Dolcich, hig o'conquo, and Evan Ingram. For me,
Speaker 1: I've got Kelsey at number one, still, Mark Andrews at two,
Speaker 1: Kyle Pitts at three, t J. Hawkinson at four, George
Speaker 1: Kittle at five. Then I end on my tight end
Speaker 1: ones with Furmouth, Cole Commet, Mike Mayer, David and Joeku,
Speaker 1: Trey McBride, and Greg Dokitch. That is my top twelve.
Speaker 1: So we have some differences down at the bottom. So
Speaker 1: let's start at the bottom and work our way up
Speaker 1: to the top, because, like you said, that top tier,
Speaker 1: those first three are going to be fun. Because I'm
Speaker 1: I can tell you right now, I'm not backing down.
Speaker 1: But chigakonquo you you're in on. You've got him at
Speaker 1: twenty one or you haven't at eleven. I haven't at
Speaker 1: twenty one. I'm ten spots lower. I'll just tell you quickly.
Speaker 1: I love him. I liked him. He's an undersized tight end,
Speaker 1: he's great receiving the ball, and he made a connection
Speaker 1: with Tannehill pretty fast. So I like all of that
Speaker 1: about him. What concerns me about Chig is who is
Speaker 1: the quarterback of this team over the next five seasons?
Speaker 1: Is it Ryan Tannehill, isn't Malik Willis? How much how
Speaker 1: much of a leish are we giving Willis? How How
Speaker 1: long can he struggle before they do eventually replace him
Speaker 1: if it's not working? And I don't know man, they
Speaker 1: have no targets now. They just cut Robert Woods. Now
Speaker 1: it's just Treylon Burkes who had problems staying on the
Speaker 1: field and nobody. So I'm afraid he could get some
Speaker 1: bracket coverage if he's too good. So tell us about Chig. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, I think Bogs, that is one of the
Speaker 1: differences between you and I and the way we approached dynasty.
Speaker 1: I think one is that you are more of a
Speaker 1: two or three year window guy, where I'm more of
Speaker 1: a long view guy, and you're you know, probably smarter
Speaker 1: about your approach that way than I am. Um. The
Speaker 1: other is I think you are more quarterbacks sensitive when
Speaker 1: we're talking about pass catchers than I am, whereas I'm
Speaker 1: kind of blithe about that, like, yeah, they'll figure it out,
Speaker 1: you know, they'll get someone, yeah, which you know, well
Speaker 1: they usually do, they usually do, really not always. But
Speaker 1: I mean that is that is a concern with a
Speaker 1: conco on twenty twenty three for sure. Yeah. You know,
Speaker 1: with with Ryan Tannehill, his status sort of in limbo,
Speaker 1: they could save a lot of money by getting rid
Speaker 1: of him, and Malik willis clearly not ready for prime time.
Speaker 1: No money to spend. I mean, the Titans are in
Speaker 1: cap hell right now, not great draft capital, so a
Speaker 1: legitimate question. But you mentioned the Chig is undersized. He is.
Speaker 1: I mean, he doesn't look small. I would say he
Speaker 1: is rocked up. And he has almost like a little
Speaker 1: bit of George Kittle in him when he's got the
Speaker 1: ball in his hands, like he is not going to
Speaker 1: shy away from contact. This dude's got four five one speed,
Speaker 1: just so tough to tackle. So he had thirty two
Speaker 1: catches as a rookie for four hundred and fifty yards
Speaker 1: and three touchdowns, but that was all from November on.
Speaker 1: Practically in his first seven games he had five catches
Speaker 1: for fifty two yards and one touchdown. From November on
Speaker 1: twenty seven catches for three hundred ninety eight yards and
Speaker 1: two touchdowns. So he was a big part of that
Speaker 1: offense in the late part of the season. So I'm
Speaker 1: really excited about the direction for him, and I'm just
Speaker 1: kind of buying in based on what I saw, like
Speaker 1: he passed every eye test with flying callers. And you know,
Speaker 1: you gotta think a new offensive coordinator comes in and uh,
Speaker 1: not really new, but a new OC in house. But
Speaker 1: you know, let's design some place for him in Traylon Burks,
Speaker 1: let's not be so vanilla. We don't have to do
Speaker 1: everything through Derrick Henry. And eventually, you know, falling knife
Speaker 1: that that's going to end at some point. Giving the
Speaker 1: ball to Derrick Henry thirty five times a game and
Speaker 1: hoping that he can handle that workload that is going
Speaker 1: to have to stop at some point and you have
Speaker 1: to have other guys get the ball. So let's hope
Speaker 1: they figure that out sooner rather than later. I absolutely,
Speaker 1: you know, you scratch a little bit underneath the surface
Speaker 1: and you see this big time potential for Chig and
Speaker 1: I do like him. And I have him rostered in
Speaker 1: a couple of spots too, so I do like him.
Speaker 1: I'm just, like you said, more sensitive to the quarterback
Speaker 1: play and looking in a quicker window than long term
Speaker 1: than full full, long term four or five years down
Speaker 1: the road. This one might surprise you. And I was
Speaker 1: surprised that you had him almost as close as you
Speaker 1: did to me. Tray McBride, I have inside my top
Speaker 1: twelve as tight end one at eleven. You have him
Speaker 1: at sixteen, So he's a firmly in the middle of
Speaker 1: the tight end twos for you. My thing here with
Speaker 1: Tray McBride is in Look, I understand zach Ertz is
Speaker 1: still in Arizona. He's probably a cut candidate next year,
Speaker 1: which to me, knowing that the Cardinals are going to
Speaker 1: have a down year, I think this is zach Ertz
Speaker 1: is a prime dude to get traded this season, maybe
Speaker 1: probably during the draft or maybe a little bit before,
Speaker 1: and let's just see what McBride has. So I'm hoping
Speaker 1: that happens this year. Even if it doesn't happen this year,
Speaker 1: for sure Ertz is gone next season. It's a little
Speaker 1: scary getting a new staff in here because we've seen
Speaker 1: plenty of guys that are beloved by the previous staff.
Speaker 1: We saw Albert Oh. This happened to him in Denver
Speaker 1: last season, right Albert Oh was the guy they didn't
Speaker 1: like him, They draft dragged Greg Dalkitch, and now Greg
Speaker 1: Dalkitch is the guy there. And now Hackett's gone and
Speaker 1: Peyton's coming in, So who knows what the tight end
Speaker 1: situation in Denver is going to be. That can happen
Speaker 1: in Arizona as well. But for me, I think Trey
Speaker 1: McBride is still a guy that can lead a team
Speaker 1: in receptions. He doesn't have to lead this team in
Speaker 1: receptions right now. They have DeAndre Hopkins at Marquis Brown,
Speaker 1: They have other guys that can catch the football. Obviously,
Speaker 1: Zach ERTs still in front of him if he does
Speaker 1: make it too opening day on the Cardinals roster. But
Speaker 1: Trey McBride is a volume play, and once he gets
Speaker 1: that job, he is going to get an enormous amount
Speaker 1: of volume. He carried an entire offense at Colorado State.
Speaker 1: Not that that offense was good, but he was everything
Speaker 1: to them, And I just, you know, it's not hard
Speaker 1: to squint and see this guy potentially, you know, rocketing
Speaker 1: up to the top five tight ends should he get
Speaker 1: the opportunity. Doesn't look like it's going to be there
Speaker 1: this year, but I do think it's going to be
Speaker 1: there in the new future, even in that two to
Speaker 1: three year window that I like to look in. So
Speaker 1: that is why I'm in on Trey McBride. Your thoughts
Speaker 1: on him, Yeah, I like the situation for him better
Speaker 1: now than I did when Cliff Kingsbury was coaching the
Speaker 1: Arizona Cardinals. I Mean, I just hated that landing spot
Speaker 1: so much for him, Like when not only going to
Speaker 1: a Kingsbury offense, but going to an offense that already
Speaker 1: had a tight end, you know, and we were we
Speaker 1: were pleasantly surprised. I guess how much Kingsbury used zach
Speaker 1: Ertz after trading for him. But there's just not enough
Speaker 1: room in you know, this town for two tight ends
Speaker 1: in a Cliff Kingsbury offense. So no more Kingsbury arts
Speaker 1: one year closer to being gone. And you know, now
Speaker 1: they're maybe gonna have a minded head coach too, so
Speaker 1: you want to grind it out with the run, maybe
Speaker 1: get two tight ends on the field even if Ertz
Speaker 1: is there this year, right, Yeah, entirely possible. So I
Speaker 1: do think there's going to be more opportunity for him.
Speaker 1: And yeah, as you said, Bogs, I mean, he was
Speaker 1: the show at Colorado State, you know, over a thousand
Speaker 1: yards his final season. There only one touchdown, which was
Speaker 1: really weird, sat the nutshell, right, Yeah, pretty much We're
Speaker 1: not going to pin that on Trey McBride. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean that was that was a rough offense for you know,
Speaker 1: the latter part of his tenure at Colorado State. So um, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm enthusiastic too. Yeah. Yeah, Like I said, I
Speaker 1: was kind of surprised. I'm like, I might be going
Speaker 1: out on a pretty big limb here with say McBride,
Speaker 1: But you have him, you know, only five spots different
Speaker 1: from me, So I like that. Michael Mayer also rookie,
Speaker 1: And look, you don't usually put rookies in your top twelve.
Speaker 1: I got him in nine. You have him at thirteen,
Speaker 1: So you have him just outside the top twelve. And
Speaker 1: I think, you know, um receiving the ball in getting
Speaker 1: open mayor is. I think he's like middle line. I
Speaker 1: don't think that he is an outstanding receiver. I think
Speaker 1: he uses his size to his advantage. He can go
Speaker 1: up and get a ball. He can body up, you know,
Speaker 1: a defensive back. He can run past a linebacker. He
Speaker 1: does the things that he needs to do to get open.
Speaker 1: But really it's that this guy is so competent in
Speaker 1: blocking and running routes. He's going to be on the
Speaker 1: field from day one. He's going to be a first
Speaker 1: round pick. And he is one of the safest guys
Speaker 1: in this draft. So tight end is a complicated position.
Speaker 1: You have to know how to block, you know, have
Speaker 1: to know how to catch, you have to know how
Speaker 1: to run. It's not like running back where if you're
Speaker 1: not good at pass blocking, we'll bring in somebody else.
Speaker 1: That's it's okay if you don't pass block. You know,
Speaker 1: you cannot pass block as a tight end. But you're
Speaker 1: only going to be used on third and very long
Speaker 1: where it's you know, noticeable that you're not going to
Speaker 1: have to block or you have to play in the slot,
Speaker 1: and then usually you're in a competition with a slot
Speaker 1: wide receiver for that role and you're only using certain packages.
Speaker 1: Mayor is not a package guy. He's a three down
Speaker 1: tight end who's going to be drafted in the first
Speaker 1: round and going to see immediate usage. And this dude
Speaker 1: can catch the ball and he can get better. So
Speaker 1: I'm in on Michael Mayer. Obviously everything depends on landing spot.
Speaker 1: But we see a lot of good ones Green Bay.
Speaker 1: We've seen him mocked to a couple of times, which, look,
Speaker 1: if they're not going to take a wide receiver in
Speaker 1: the first round, let's get a receiving option. I guess,
Speaker 1: you know, let's do that. We've seen Buffalo in some
Speaker 1: mocks Kansas City as an eventual um you know, uh,
Speaker 1: Kelsey replacement that type of stuff. So, I mean, Kansas
Speaker 1: City wouldn't be good for the immediate future, but obviously
Speaker 1: Mahome's going to be there for a while. So I'm
Speaker 1: in on Mayor because I think he gets immediate usage
Speaker 1: in the NFL, which is rare for a tight end.
Speaker 1: If he goes to Green Bay Bogs, he'd be the
Speaker 1: first first round tight end for them since Bubba Franks. Bubba, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's been a while, thank you. So here's why I'm
Speaker 1: not as enthusiastic about Mayor as you are. Bugs. Everything
Speaker 1: you said about his staying on the field because of
Speaker 1: his blocking ability is true. He is a very good
Speaker 1: UH pass catcher, like good and contested catch situations, has
Speaker 1: a knack for settling into like the soft spots of zones.
Speaker 1: I think it's going to be an easy translation for him.
Speaker 1: But the cops he draws, I mean, you occasionally hear
Speaker 1: baby gronk. I'm not really buying that one. But the
Speaker 1: one to try to stop doing that stuff, the one
Speaker 1: that fits, I think is Jason Witten, who I have
Speaker 1: a feeling we're gonna be talking about Jason Witten a
Speaker 1: lot on this show, which, like I buy that and
Speaker 1: nothing wrong with Jason Witten. He had I believe, like
Speaker 1: four thousand yards seasons, three nine hundred yard seasons. I mean,
Speaker 1: he was just super durable, great tight end. And if
Speaker 1: that's the comp, fine, But like, if I'm going to
Speaker 1: invest heavily in a tight end, that's not really the
Speaker 1: comp I want. I want Tony Gonzalez and Antonio Gates comps,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Like, I want super athletic guys,
Speaker 1: And I don't think we're gonna see Mayor test out
Speaker 1: as some sort of athletic marvel. Like I don't think
Speaker 1: he's not gonna be He's not doing Gelanni Woods numbers.
Speaker 1: We know that. No, Yeah, like he's not doing you know,
Speaker 1: he's not a Mica SICKI He's not one of these
Speaker 1: hyper athletic guys. So yeah, I mean, maybe it works
Speaker 1: out and it doesn't really matter for him because that's
Speaker 1: not really his game, long speed and all that sort
Speaker 1: of thing. But I'm a little bit concerned about overreaching
Speaker 1: for him and the other thing bogs. This is such
Speaker 1: a good tight end class. Are we even sure he
Speaker 1: should be the tight end one like him? I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: I know he's not moving off from me. Unless he
Speaker 1: runs like a four nine, and then I'm like, what
Speaker 1: did he had the flu or covid or something during
Speaker 1: the combine? Like, unless he runs completely poorly, I can't
Speaker 1: move him off my number one end. So and I
Speaker 1: get that, but he is going to go in one
Speaker 1: quarterback diast eggs. He's a slime dunk first runner. Believe
Speaker 1: in super flex league leagues, he's probably you know, right
Speaker 1: around the turn, yeah one twelve, early second. But like,
Speaker 1: would you rather have him or like if you can
Speaker 1: get like Kim Kaid or Musgrade late second round, or
Speaker 1: Tucker Craft or Sam Laporta in the third or fourth,
Speaker 1: you know, like I'd almost I'd rather do it that
Speaker 1: way because I think those guys could potentially be as
Speaker 1: good in the as you know Mayor is as a
Speaker 1: pass catcher. I don't argue with that at all. And
Speaker 1: that is why, you know, last year, I really wouldn't
Speaker 1: let Pat prode me into ranking rookies in here before
Speaker 1: the draft. This year, it's a little more difficult. People
Speaker 1: want it more so I'm playing along, But look, landing
Speaker 1: spot is going to matter so much for these guys.
Speaker 1: Like if Mayor ends up in Dallas, then I really
Speaker 1: like him. But if he ends up in Cleveland or
Speaker 1: something or whatever, you know what I mean, somewhere where
Speaker 1: they already have an estabberside end. If he goes to
Speaker 1: New England, just because you know, Bill Belichick drafts every
Speaker 1: single tight end every year. Like, if that's the case,
Speaker 1: then you know, I obviously like him less than a
Speaker 1: Dalton Kincaid or Luke Musgrave going to Jacksonville, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. So context is gonna matter a lot.
Speaker 1: I just I just know that in terms of playing
Speaker 1: time from day one right now, he is the most
Speaker 1: sure thing. I think. The next is probably Darnell Washington,
Speaker 1: and that is because of his you know, pass blocking prowress.
Speaker 1: But fantasy side may be limited with him, and you
Speaker 1: can get stuck if you're good at blocking, you can
Speaker 1: get stuck in this David and Joe Coup role that
Speaker 1: he had for Cleveland for way too long, where well,
Speaker 1: we have two tight ends. We have the blocking tight end,
Speaker 1: David and Joking, we have the pass catching tight end,
Speaker 1: and Harrison Bryant. Because Brant can't block at all, we're
Speaker 1: gonna put him in specifically receiving situations and we're gonna
Speaker 1: keep in Joku on the field but blocking, which eats
Speaker 1: in you know, in joke, Wu's on the field way more,
Speaker 1: but he's not getting near He's not getting the amount
Speaker 1: of reps ahead of Harrison Bryant in the route tree
Speaker 1: because he's blocking so well. So tight ends can get
Speaker 1: stuck in that too, which is why a team context
Speaker 1: is going to change our rankings on these guys. But
Speaker 1: if I know one tight end should be on the
Speaker 1: field immediately, it's Michael Mayer and that's why I have
Speaker 1: him as a tight end one for me. So we're
Speaker 1: gonna get into the top three. Is there anybody else here, Pat,
Speaker 1: that you want to talk about before we go up
Speaker 1: to this top three and have a big old fight.
Speaker 1: I don't think so. I mean, we're pretty much in
Speaker 1: lockstep on your guy, Pat Friarmouth. Yeah, you don't like
Speaker 1: Naku quite as much. I understand that. I mean, still
Speaker 1: pretty young, and it was impressive what he did last season.
Speaker 1: Maybe if there was meat on the bone, Yeah, especially
Speaker 1: if Deshaun Watson scrapes the rostoff and has something close
Speaker 1: to the season he used to have, the type of
Speaker 1: season he used to have with the Houston Texans. So yeah, no,
Speaker 1: I think we can get right to the top three bogs.
Speaker 1: All right, Well, let's just start at number one overall.
Speaker 1: And do you want me to go first and talk
Speaker 1: about Kelsey? Do you want to talk about Pits first?
Speaker 1: All right, let's talk about Kelsey? All right? Well, I
Speaker 1: asked our buddy Joe pi Zapia to run us some
Speaker 1: RPV numbers right for last season. And if you know
Speaker 1: about RPV, it's relative position value, and this is in
Speaker 1: half PPR. It shows you how much better a player
Speaker 1: in their tier. So a Tier one tight end like
Speaker 1: Travis Kelsey is, it shows us how much better that
Speaker 1: guy is than the middle of this tier. So Travis
Speaker 1: Kelsey and half last year scored two hundred and sixty
Speaker 1: one point three points. The second highest scoring tight end
Speaker 1: last year was t J. Hawkinson with one hundred and
Speaker 1: seventy two point four. He's almost outscoring just the next
Speaker 1: tight end by just the next tight end by you know,
Speaker 1: almost one hundred points here and better than a middle
Speaker 1: line Evan Ingram, who scored one hundred and forty points
Speaker 1: by eighty one percent. He is eighty one percent better
Speaker 1: than a middle line tight end. One. He is an
Speaker 1: unbelievable advantage, and if he plays for three more seasons,
Speaker 1: he is still absolutely worth the number one pick. Tight
Speaker 1: End is a brutal position. We see guys breakdown quickly,
Speaker 1: and he is not young. I believe he's thirty two,
Speaker 1: So thirty three, okay, almost thirty three and a half.
Speaker 1: Almost thirty three and a half. Didn't play his first season,
Speaker 1: by the way, so does not as much wear and
Speaker 1: tears as a normal tight end. But with so many
Speaker 1: catches and so many more catches and deep playoff runs
Speaker 1: than anyone else, I understand the concern for him. But
Speaker 1: if you get probably more just two Travis Kelcey seasons
Speaker 1: where he's out producing every other tight end by this
Speaker 1: insane margin, then you know he's gonna be worth it.
Speaker 1: And I do have concerns about Kyle, not Kyle Pitts
Speaker 1: as a player. Kyle Pitts as a player is amazing.
Speaker 1: I watched him in Florida. He's a contested catching machine. Obviously,
Speaker 1: you know this is a run first offense in Atlanta,
Speaker 1: and you know, we don't know who the quarterback is
Speaker 1: going to be. And as you mentioned before, I'm a
Speaker 1: little bit more concerned about quarterback play for my guys
Speaker 1: and Mark Andrews. It's kind of the same deal. Like
Speaker 1: if we get Lamar back in Baltimore and they're running
Speaker 1: the same system, Mark Andrews is still the same guy.
Speaker 1: But if they trade Lamar, which seems more and more
Speaker 1: likely by the when he's not signing a contract extension,
Speaker 1: then I don't know who's going to be the quarterback
Speaker 1: in Baltimore, and I don't know who's gonna be throwing
Speaker 1: the ball to Mark Andrews. And do we need to
Speaker 1: change the offense with a new OC and Todd Monkin
Speaker 1: coming in? Now, look at Georgia. They threw the ball
Speaker 1: to the side end a bunch, so it could be
Speaker 1: good for him, you know, And it could be more
Speaker 1: of the same for Mark Andrews. And he's an outstanding player.
Speaker 1: He's going to be used in whatever system that they commit.
Speaker 1: Both these guys should be. But these are both run
Speaker 1: first offenses. Where Casey is pass pass pass. We're paying
Speaker 1: the homes, we're letting him throw it. Travis Kelsey is
Speaker 1: his best friend on and off the field. Just makes
Speaker 1: too much sense for me to leave him there, even
Speaker 1: though he is long in the tooth. So that is
Speaker 1: my used car salesman pitch for Travis Kelsey as your
Speaker 1: number one overall tight end fit. See yeah, yeah, So
Speaker 1: you step in here with the actors, tables, bogs to
Speaker 1: you know, maybe be a buzz kill as far as
Speaker 1: like what the age, kerv He's thirty three and a half.
Speaker 1: And let's just take a look at three examples of
Speaker 1: great tight ends and how they aged. All right, We'll
Speaker 1: start with Tony Gonzalez, who in his age thirty seven season,
Speaker 1: Tony Gonzalez had eighty three catches for eight hundred and
Speaker 1: fifty nine yards and eight touchdowns. That was like ninety
Speaker 1: percent of peak Tony Gonzalez at age thirty seven. If
Speaker 1: I knew Travis Kelsey was going to age like that,
Speaker 1: there would be no question he would be my number
Speaker 1: one tight end because you make the great point about
Speaker 1: what he does. You know, TJ. Hockinson produced sixty six
Speaker 1: percent of what Travis Kelsey produced and Hawkinson was like
Speaker 1: the number two. I mean, you could like the gap
Speaker 1: between those two guys was more than like Mike Gisicki
Speaker 1: and Robert Tunyon and all these guys scored like it
Speaker 1: was huge gap. It wasn't always like that because even
Speaker 1: the previous year, Mark Andrews score outscored Kelsey, I believe,
Speaker 1: so it hasn't always been like that, just barely clipped him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but Mark Andrew's you know, QB concerns and the injury
Speaker 1: stuff last year was was brutal. So I would say
Speaker 1: Mark Andrews still is in that. You know, if we're
Speaker 1: putting one day in that territory, it's Andrews. But yeah,
Speaker 1: so then we've got Tony Gonzalez as one example. The
Speaker 1: other example is Rob Gronkowski, who is only about one
Speaker 1: hundred days older than Travis Kelsey. But you know, Gronk
Speaker 1: has had some back issues and he retired after his
Speaker 1: age twenty nine season, like Gronk missed his age thirty season,
Speaker 1: then came back and gave us two good but not
Speaker 1: great seasons at age thirty one and thirty two. So
Speaker 1: but the interesting case I think here Bogs is Jason Witten.
Speaker 1: Go back to Witton, and you know he for the
Speaker 1: bulk of Witten's career, he gave us at least seven
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty yards every season from year two in
Speaker 1: the NFL for him until his age thirty one season.
Speaker 1: All right, So then age thirty one, great season, eight
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty one yards, eight touchdowns, age thirty two
Speaker 1: sixty four for seven h three and five touchdowns eighty
Speaker 1: three very similar seventy seven for seven hundred and thirteen
Speaker 1: and three. Then at age thirty four down to six
Speaker 1: seventy three with three touchdowns, age thirty five down to
Speaker 1: five hundred and sixty yards with five touchdowns, retires before
Speaker 1: his age thirty six season, then comes back at age
Speaker 1: thirty seven gives us one more five hundred yards season
Speaker 1: age thirty eight was a disaster. He had thirteen catches
Speaker 1: in sixteen games. So we started to see a little
Speaker 1: bit of a dip for him at age thirty two,
Speaker 1: but was still very viable tight end. And then you know,
Speaker 1: we started to see a larger dip at about age
Speaker 1: thirty five. So I'm a little worried that if Kelsey
Speaker 1: follows the Jason Witton age pattern, like he's getting kind
Speaker 1: of close to a downturn. I guess that's my big
Speaker 1: concern and why he start there. It's fair, and I
Speaker 1: think the top three are a tier, and anyway you
Speaker 1: want to rank them, I'm okay with. I don't have
Speaker 1: a great argument against Kyle Pitts being at number one.
Speaker 1: My argument would be, is is Kyle Pitts ever going
Speaker 1: to get to what Travis Kelsey is? So to me
Speaker 1: is four seasons, five seasons of you know, eight hundred
Speaker 1: yards and six touchdowns for Kyle Pitts, which will have
Speaker 1: him in the top three and for a while if
Speaker 1: he gets to that level, which he hasn't hit yet,
Speaker 1: If he gets to that level, is that worth two
Speaker 1: seasons of Kelsey, you know, outpacing the next tight end
Speaker 1: by ten points per game or somewhere in that neighborhood.
Speaker 1: It's just absurd what he does. So, like I said,
Speaker 1: I don't any way you want to roll it. I
Speaker 1: get it with those top three. I think if you're
Speaker 1: putting somebody else in that top three, maybe you're silly
Speaker 1: goose t J. Hawkinson would be the closest. But I
Speaker 1: just I could not do it. So sell me on,
Speaker 1: sell me on pizza one, give me a use car
Speaker 1: sales pitch here. Yeah, And I think the reason I'm
Speaker 1: optimistic that he can have some of those freakazoid seasons
Speaker 1: Bogs is well one, he is an athletic freakazoid, just
Speaker 1: a total marvel and we saw that, you know, when
Speaker 1: he was playing for the University of Florida. Then he
Speaker 1: comes in his rookie year, which he began at age twenty.
Speaker 1: He was twenty when he played in Week one of
Speaker 1: his rookie year and playing with a decaying Matt Ryan
Speaker 1: at quarterback. Has the first thousand yard receiving season by
Speaker 1: a rookie tight end since Mike Dicka fifty years earlier.
Speaker 1: So I mean, that's definitely a taste of the upside.
Speaker 1: And you know, the only reason I think he's not
Speaker 1: everyone's unanimous tight end one for Dynasty is because the
Speaker 1: Falcons have that struggling quarterback situation right now with you know,
Speaker 1: no clear solution. But we talked about this earlier, Boggs.
Speaker 1: I'm always sort of blindly optimistic that the team will
Speaker 1: figure it out and get that quarterback. So, yes, that
Speaker 1: is worrisome right now. But aside from the lack of
Speaker 1: touchdowns we've seen from him so far, you know, Pitts
Speaker 1: Falcon's offense, that's nothing to do with him. Yeah, this
Speaker 1: was marvelous two seasons ago. I think he's gonna be
Speaker 1: marvelous again very soon. The talent is absolutely there, and
Speaker 1: I don't have an argument against that. In the end,
Speaker 1: get there and by the way box just like the
Speaker 1: comfort level. I mean, John Bosh was on my podcast
Speaker 1: like last year, and you know this was after the
Speaker 1: great Cop Pits season. He made the case that, like
Speaker 1: in a super flex league, he'd even considered taking Pits
Speaker 1: one on one, just because you know, you've emphatically addressed
Speaker 1: the tight end position, the always problematic tight end position
Speaker 1: for like the next ten years plus. Yeah. Yeah, And look,
Speaker 1: if it's not he can get there, it's are the
Speaker 1: Falcons going to allow him to get there because their
Speaker 1: dismal season and you could potentially see Arthur Smith out
Speaker 1: of there. I think he's a good coach, but it
Speaker 1: frustrates me that he doesn't throw the ball to Pits
Speaker 1: more or London, or just throw the ball more in general.
Speaker 1: But obviously he's doing what's right by his line in
Speaker 1: his quarterback. So he is definitely a smart man. So
Speaker 1: I don't think he's going anywhere. But you know, results
Speaker 1: are results in the NFL stands for not for long.
Speaker 1: So if you ain't getting it done, you're not. It
Speaker 1: would almost maybe be better to get an offensive minded
Speaker 1: coaching here. That's just gonna throw the ball bunch and
Speaker 1: play bad defense. That's what you really want. You want
Speaker 1: the lion situation where they need to outscore everyone because
Speaker 1: their defense sucks. But you know it could slow down
Speaker 1: if their defense gets better too. I don't know. For me,
Speaker 1: it's just Kelsey is such a unicorn. He does things
Speaker 1: so unbelievably well, and he's so much better than everybody else,
Speaker 1: and he's mahomes number one target. It's hard for me
Speaker 1: to come off at him. But we'll have our difference
Speaker 1: at the top. We'll see what works out over the
Speaker 1: next couple of years, and then Fitz will be able
Speaker 1: to call me a dummy when Travis Kelsey retires after
Speaker 1: the season when he gets hurt. So, but we are
Speaker 1: going to move to the second tier. But before we do,
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Speaker 1: All right, Fitzy, let's go to the second tier of
Speaker 1: tight ends and give us your thirteen down to twenty four. Here, Yeah,
Speaker 1: thirteen for me is Michael Mayer, than Dalton Schultz, Dawson
Speaker 1: Knox Tree McBride at sixteen, Dalton Kincaid, Gjolannie Woods, Darren Waller,
Speaker 1: Luke Musgrave, no offense, Isaiah Likely, Tyler Higbee, and Gerald
Speaker 1: Everett's gets ugly. Yeah, and I'm the second tier gets ugly,
Speaker 1: and I need to move. I'd rather have Musgrave than
Speaker 1: Darren Waller. I've got to move Musgrave up one spot,
Speaker 1: so that's fair for me. At twenty four, I have
Speaker 1: got Daniel Bellinger, then I have higg Actually, let me
Speaker 1: reverse I'm used to. We're doing hell week on IL
Speaker 1: and we go in reverse order over there, so let
Speaker 1: me start at thirteen thirteen, I have Musgrave. At fourteen,
Speaker 1: I have Evan Ingram fifteen at Dalton Schultz, then Zach
Speaker 1: Hurtz at sixteen, Darren Waller at seventeen, Dawson Knox at eighteen,
Speaker 1: Jowan Johnson at nineteen, then Kincaid chig Irv Smith, Tyler Higbee,
Speaker 1: and Daniel Bellinger down there at number twenty four. So um,
Speaker 1: let's start with Jelannie Woods. I have Jelanni Woods at
Speaker 1: twenty six. He's just outside of this tier. I mean,
Speaker 1: the guy is a physical freak, you know, enormous giant
Speaker 1: red zone option which showed from his touchdowns last season
Speaker 1: runs like a d year down field. Needs a lot
Speaker 1: of help in blocking, still needs to learn. He's so
Speaker 1: big he gets pushed off because of leverage and stuff
Speaker 1: like that. But if you get a decent quarterback in
Speaker 1: here in Indie, Johnny Woods could easily be a safety
Speaker 1: blanket and develop. And he has great physical tools. So
Speaker 1: I don't dislike him. I just hesitate to put him
Speaker 1: up there because I don't know the Colts have a
Speaker 1: thousand tight ends everything. I still I like Grants and
Speaker 1: two Moiley Cox is still there, like they have a
Speaker 1: bunch of tight ends still, but Woods definitely is the
Speaker 1: the guy dripping with potential here for this team. Yep.
Speaker 1: Physically so imposing. I mean, this guy's a beheam at
Speaker 1: six seven two sixty five ninety eight percentile catch radius.
Speaker 1: According to player profiler dot com, Andy is four six
Speaker 1: one speed. So there are tools to dream on here
Speaker 1: and some pretty impressive flashes from him as a rookie.
Speaker 1: Two touchdowns against the Chiefs early in the season, I
Speaker 1: think it was against your Steelers Bogs. Any of the
Speaker 1: eight catch ninety eight yard game later in this season,
Speaker 1: six catches on one drive too, and I'm like, just
Speaker 1: somebody cover him, you know, I'm screaming at the television.
Speaker 1: Just someone stand next to him, please. But yeah, it
Speaker 1: was I think four or five of those catches were
Speaker 1: on one drives pice. And hopefully he can grow with
Speaker 1: whichever young quarterback they have, whether it's Bryce Young, Will Levis,
Speaker 1: c J. Stroud, you know that whoever they bring in,
Speaker 1: I think Gilannie Woods is going to be that quarterback's
Speaker 1: friend in the red zone for the next few years.
Speaker 1: I am excited about Gilannie Woods, so I you know,
Speaker 1: I feel almost cowardly not having him up this high,
Speaker 1: so I probably will move him up. Yeah, And just
Speaker 1: I mean, you want to have some fun, just go
Speaker 1: watch Gilanni Woods highlights. Man, he gets open and he's
Speaker 1: so much bigger. He's bigger than the linebackers that are
Speaker 1: covering him. So when he stands next to one of
Speaker 1: those five ten corners, it's like, what are we doing?
Speaker 1: It looks like that Aaron Judge and Al twove a
Speaker 1: picture if you've ever seen that one, Like, how are
Speaker 1: these guys the same species, let alone playing in the
Speaker 1: same sport? Um, tell tell me about Noah Fan. You
Speaker 1: have him at twenty one. I've got him at thirty one.
Speaker 1: I gotta be honest, man, Um, this is me a
Speaker 1: breaking up with Noah Fan because I loved him coming
Speaker 1: out of Iowa. It was they had the two tight
Speaker 1: ends that year and him coming out he was the
Speaker 1: premier of tight end and Iowa you know they they produced.
Speaker 1: They're a tight end factory. There's a lot of big
Speaker 1: ten tight ends right. Uh, it's cold weather, it's smash
Speaker 1: mouth football. You gotta be blocking. And Noah Fant did that. Uh.
Speaker 1: He ran like a deer. His numbers were great. You
Speaker 1: could see you could squint and see real superstar potential.
Speaker 1: And he didn't do anything at Denver and you go, okay,
Speaker 1: well it's quarterback play. And then he gets traded to
Speaker 1: Seattle and you go all right, well he's gonna come
Speaker 1: in and whoop Will dis Lee and Colby Parkinson and Nope,
Speaker 1: they just mix those guys up as almost like they're
Speaker 1: picking from a grab bag of which tight end. He
Speaker 1: clearly still has the highest ceiling, but I have been
Speaker 1: so frustrated with him, which is why I don't have
Speaker 1: him higher my rank. So sell me on, Noah, bring
Speaker 1: me back. Maybe a bigger problem than poor quarterback play
Speaker 1: is being with a coaching staff that loves to, you know,
Speaker 1: mix tight ends, and like, there's no way that Kolbe
Speaker 1: Parkinson and Will Disley should be playing as many snaps
Speaker 1: as no offense. So there's my little rants about the
Speaker 1: Seattle offense. But yeah, that's it. Bog's very athletic, just
Speaker 1: turned twenty five, and this past season was indeed sort
Speaker 1: of a downer for no offense. Fifty catches, four hundred
Speaker 1: and eighty six yards, four touchdowns, but that was his
Speaker 1: first year with fewer than five hundred and sixty two yards.
Speaker 1: He's been between five sixty two and six seventy three
Speaker 1: free yardage in each of his first three seasons. So like,
Speaker 1: there's a pretty high floor here, and I don't think
Speaker 1: we've seen the ceiling yet. Yeah, I mean, and that's
Speaker 1: that's fair because we definitely haven't seen the ceiling. But
Speaker 1: that is also why I'm off sell me on earth Bugs,
Speaker 1: because I have him in one of my dynasty leagues
Speaker 1: and I would sell him for a ham sandwich, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, you got him down at forty five. I
Speaker 1: have him at twenty two. And the thing with earth
Speaker 1: for me is if he can get past these injuries,
Speaker 1: which look he may not be able to. But at
Speaker 1: this point where we're picking tight ends, it's like, all right,
Speaker 1: we kind of know what Higbee is. You know, Bellinger
Speaker 1: is a number one right now, and he's played much better.
Speaker 1: I thought he was a much better tight end than
Speaker 1: they gave him, you know, credit for at San Diego State.
Speaker 1: They just ran the ball too much there and played defense,
Speaker 1: so he didn't have many receptions. He was great last
Speaker 1: season in his rookie year with Daniel Jones and the Giants,
Speaker 1: but like his upside is kind of capped. Earth Smith
Speaker 1: can get downfield and catch the football, he absolutely can.
Speaker 1: What he cannot do is stay on the field and
Speaker 1: has been the biggest issue for IRV Smith so far.
Speaker 1: You know, eight games this year, thirteen in twenty twenty
Speaker 1: and zero in twenty twenty one. So in the last
Speaker 1: two seasons he's played eight games. He started one. He
Speaker 1: can get on the field. If he can get on
Speaker 1: the field, he can catch the ball. He has nine
Speaker 1: touchdowns in his three seasons, and that nine touchdowns in
Speaker 1: fifteen starts. So the dude can get open, he can
Speaker 1: get down the field, he can body up a linebacker.
Speaker 1: But it's can he stay on the field. So hopefully
Speaker 1: getting out of Minnesota because they traded for Hawkinson because
Speaker 1: they were tired of waiting for him even when he
Speaker 1: was healthy. He had a hand issue to start, and
Speaker 1: they were giving reps to Johnny Munt, So I understand
Speaker 1: the trepidation about this guy. It's just I see a
Speaker 1: dude that, if he can figure out staying on the field,
Speaker 1: can be a big productive tight end. And I don't
Speaker 1: like the upside of a lot of these guys. Maybe
Speaker 1: I should move him behind Woods, And you know, I
Speaker 1: like Noah Gray a lot who I have below him
Speaker 1: too in the third tier. Maybe I should move him
Speaker 1: ahead of those guys or below those guys. I mean,
Speaker 1: but I don't know. I just see a nice peak
Speaker 1: if we can get there, but it's a big maybe.
Speaker 1: The other thing with Earth Bogs he is a smaller
Speaker 1: tight end, like he's tiny by tight ends standards, so
Speaker 1: he's probably not going to be one of those guys
Speaker 1: is on the field all the time. Yeah, I just
Speaker 1: you know, you squint and see the potential that Chig
Speaker 1: has is what I see for Earth even though he's
Speaker 1: longer in the tooth than Chig obviously undersized, dude speedy
Speaker 1: can get open and is a red zone threat. That's
Speaker 1: the big thing there. He is absolutely a red zone threat.
Speaker 1: But where is he gonna go, Who's he gonna sign with?
Speaker 1: And is he a guy that they are going to
Speaker 1: you know, install and used properly. That's a big question
Speaker 1: for any tight end. The other guy that I have
Speaker 1: that is off of your standards is zach Ertz. And look,
Speaker 1: I felt like I was kind of bearing zach Ertz
Speaker 1: by putting him down in the second tier because I
Speaker 1: have him at sixteen and this is still a dude
Speaker 1: that averaged over eleven points a game last season and
Speaker 1: only played ten games brutal position. That was a more
Speaker 1: high flying offense for Cliff Kingsbury than what they have now,
Speaker 1: but like we said, there's a potential for him to
Speaker 1: get traded or you know, released, even by the Cardinals
Speaker 1: because this is a team that is not in position
Speaker 1: to win. This year's zach Ertz is an older tight end,
Speaker 1: but if he stays, he could also be whoever the
Speaker 1: quarterback that comes in to replace Kyler, if it's Colt,
Speaker 1: if it's somebody else. He can be their safety blanket
Speaker 1: for at least a big chunk of the season while
Speaker 1: Murray's out. We both said we probably think he's out
Speaker 1: for more than half the season, so you know, he's
Speaker 1: still putting up numbers and he is older. But I
Speaker 1: can't I can't bury him. I can't bury a guy
Speaker 1: that averaged ten points per game and plays ten games.
Speaker 1: That's kind of my thing is there's so few guys
Speaker 1: that are gonna get you double digits at tight end,
Speaker 1: even in a PPR league, that I just cannot put
Speaker 1: him in that third tier yet, which is fair, and
Speaker 1: it's it's just for me. It's that his you know,
Speaker 1: window of opportunity to be productive here is you know. Now,
Speaker 1: it's it's down to a portal, not a window. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's pretty small and for half of this season, he's
Speaker 1: probably gonna be without Kyler Murray. He's got Trey McBride
Speaker 1: nipping at his heels. So I guess I just like,
Speaker 1: I don't know how much high level production we're going
Speaker 1: to get from him for the rest of his career.
Speaker 1: And that's fair, I don't you know. And like we said,
Speaker 1: I look in smaller windows than you do. I want
Speaker 1: to win quicker. I want to win right now. If
Speaker 1: I can't, I actually just did a giant baseball trade.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you about when we're done here that that
Speaker 1: may have me win. But yeah, it's uh. I like
Speaker 1: the smaller windows, and he's definitely a smaller window type
Speaker 1: of guy. Anybody else in the second tier you want
Speaker 1: to touch on and talk about. No, let's do a
Speaker 1: real quick sweep through tier three. Okay, Yeah, let's do
Speaker 1: that real quick. I've got Hurst at twenty five in
Speaker 1: wood to twenty six, Taysom Hill, Noah Gray, Gerald, Everett Hunter, Henry, Noah, Fan,
Speaker 1: Tucker Kraft, Isaiah Likely, Darnell Washington, Robert Tonyan, and Logan
Speaker 1: Thomas as my twenty five to thirty six well Man.
Speaker 1: So I've got Juwan Johnson at ted in twenty five.
Speaker 1: Then Kada Otton, Daniel Bellinger, Albert Oh, who I noticed
Speaker 1: is missing from your list, Bogs. We can talk about
Speaker 1: that in a second. Then Hunter, Henry, Noah Gray, Mike
Speaker 1: Asiki Zacher. It's Taysom Hill, Darnel Washington, Sam Laporta, and
Speaker 1: Jake Ferguson. Yeah, Jake Ferguson might need to move up
Speaker 1: to all right, So tell me about Albert Oh because
Speaker 1: he's a great receiving tight end, but he got you
Speaker 1: served by Greg Dolkitch and it's a brand new coaching
Speaker 1: staff coming in. I just I have a hard time
Speaker 1: seeing him get on the field and produce understandable, freaky
Speaker 1: athletic long speed. Like just if someone can harness it,
Speaker 1: I'm willing to pay and granted, like he belongs in
Speaker 1: the tight end threes, you know, he is even in
Speaker 1: dynasty with the bigger rosters. He is back end of
Speaker 1: the roster fodder for sure. At least. Yeah, you can
Speaker 1: see the path to success for him if anyone can,
Speaker 1: you know, totally get him to figure it out and
Speaker 1: put it together with those crazy athletic skills. Um, you know,
Speaker 1: because as far as athleticism goes, he is a top
Speaker 1: five percent guy in the tight end population, no question,
Speaker 1: one hundred percent. He plays like a wide receiver, he
Speaker 1: really does, so it's just not blocking. You know, I'm
Speaker 1: not sure if he can get on the field as much.
Speaker 1: I love Noah Gray man, but he's behind Kelsey. And
Speaker 1: this is a guy coming out of Duke that I
Speaker 1: was watching and I go, man, I am so excited
Speaker 1: about Noah Gray And then he gets drafted by the
Speaker 1: Chiefs and they still get him on the field. He
Speaker 1: still plays every single game and uh Pat will will
Speaker 1: target him. So if anything happens to Travis Kelsey, Noah
Speaker 1: Gray is a great hand is a great, great handcuff
Speaker 1: to have, so we'll see if that ever pans out
Speaker 1: for him. But I like the skill, but the position
Speaker 1: is bad. And I have Woods down here. It's a
Speaker 1: lot of you know, Hayden Hurst guys that we've seen
Speaker 1: do it before, or guys that have a ton of
Speaker 1: upside like Gilani Woods. And then I have the rookie
Speaker 1: guys down there like Washington and Tucker Craft could be
Speaker 1: good to coming out of a smaller school. So um,
Speaker 1: we'll see. I really am intrigued by what Darnel where
Speaker 1: Darnell Washington ends up because I think Cincinnati is a
Speaker 1: perfect spot for him. But I don't want the Bengals
Speaker 1: having good players. So I was I was just talking
Speaker 1: to our guy, Cody Carpentier, a player profiler, about Darnel Washington.
Speaker 1: He's a little concerned that someone some team might want
Speaker 1: to move him to tackle. He's that big and that
Speaker 1: could a blocker, but he runs so fast. I feel
Speaker 1: like it's almost foolish to do that. He could do it.
Speaker 1: I'm not putting it out of the realm of possibility.
Speaker 1: And a team could do that because he is a
Speaker 1: big dude. But he's going to go in the first
Speaker 1: two rounds, And are you going to draft a guy
Speaker 1: in the first two rounds to move him positions? Like
Speaker 1: if he slipped to the third, then maybe a team
Speaker 1: with some grand design would come in and say, hey,
Speaker 1: let's just get him and move him, you know, and
Speaker 1: tell him we want him to do something different. I
Speaker 1: just think a guy that's drafted that high cannot be
Speaker 1: that much of a project. So yeah, you go Taysom
Speaker 1: Hill in here, you know, So who knows Taysom Hill
Speaker 1: is like the tight end five and fantasy scoring last year,
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Speaker 1: not a tight end, he's a wildcat quarterbackman that yeah, yeah, so,
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Speaker 1: back snats next? And it's it's so hit or miss
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Speaker 1: up later in the week here, Fitzy, So what is
Speaker 1: it that you are looking for in the combine? Is
Speaker 1: it specific players? Is it rumors? What is it that
Speaker 1: this combine in particular is uh, you know, tickling your fancy?
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Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. So here's here a few things
Speaker 1: I'm really excited to see bog. I can't wait to
Speaker 1: see what my guy, Devon Chain runs in the forty man, like,
Speaker 1: I would not be surprised if that number after the
Speaker 1: four was a two noos he ran a two hundred
Speaker 1: meters like I thought. I was talking to my son
Speaker 1: about how fast he was, and I'm like, I think
Speaker 1: he ran the two hundred meters in twenty point four seconds,
Speaker 1: and my son's like, no way, that's like Olympic speed.
Speaker 1: No way, And I looked it up. I actually didn't
Speaker 1: give him enough credit. It was twenty point two seconds.
Speaker 1: A Chain can fly, man, so it would not shock me.
Speaker 1: As long as he hasn't added weights since the end
Speaker 1: of the season. If he was sub four three, so
Speaker 1: that wouldn't shock me. I can't wait to see it.
Speaker 1: And like he is gonna people are gonna fall in
Speaker 1: love with him box Like, I mean, yeah, I think
Speaker 1: he's gonna I think he's gonna wind up the consensus
Speaker 1: RB three. I really do. He's oh man, I'm not
Speaker 1: going that far. He's definitely going to be He's going
Speaker 1: to have buzz. There are some guys that are going
Speaker 1: to the combine and it doesn't really matter as long
Speaker 1: as they perform halfway decent, they're gonna have buzz. Anthony
Speaker 1: Richardson is one of those guys. If he decides to run,
Speaker 1: if he decides to throw, if he decides to participate
Speaker 1: in anything but interviews, he is going to get the buzz.
Speaker 1: We saw him Alik Willis do it last year. Now
Speaker 1: he got the buzz and still ended up drafted in
Speaker 1: the third round. But I think that there is unless
Speaker 1: Anthony Richardson does nothing, there's no way that he isn't
Speaker 1: moving up NFL boards with his performance at the Combine.
Speaker 1: So that's something I'm looking forward to. And my big
Speaker 1: thing fits is and this is what I look for
Speaker 1: in the Combine every year. Is what's bigger to me
Speaker 1: than even the performances is the rumors that you hear
Speaker 1: coming out of the NFL Draft. Like the year before
Speaker 1: Jamar Chase was in the Combine when they interviewed all
Speaker 1: the corners and asked them who was the hardest guy
Speaker 1: to cover? I think every corner said Jamar Chase the
Speaker 1: year before he was drafted. So you get buzz on
Speaker 1: guys the you know, even in next year's draft sometimes
Speaker 1: by doing these so I want to hear, you know,
Speaker 1: who is the player that most gms are talking about.
Speaker 1: Who who is the player that moves himself up? Who's
Speaker 1: the player that moved himself down? Those are the big things.
Speaker 1: The rumors are even bigger to me than the actual
Speaker 1: numbers that we see from these players. The numbers obviously
Speaker 1: do matter, but I I My favorite part of the
Speaker 1: combine is the rumors. So what else about the combine
Speaker 1: are you looking for here? All? Right? Two things, Bogs.
Speaker 1: One is I'm really exciting, almost nervous about what Bryce
Speaker 1: Young is going to measure and weigh in at. Like
Speaker 1: I was watching a different podcast and they they set
Speaker 1: the over under at five ten and a half for
Speaker 1: him right in Alba m alyssum at six zero. Right,
Speaker 1: you know, there's no way six feet tall, no chance,
Speaker 1: And like, I'm just he's not gonna wait two hundred
Speaker 1: pounds either eight seven was what they put the over
Speaker 1: idea even was the the NFL draft stock one. Uh,
Speaker 1: what do you think five ten and a half one seven?
Speaker 1: Are you hitting the over on either one of those? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Probably not. Maybe maybe those are good numbers, those are
Speaker 1: good un ways, maybe a way. Hopefully he goes to
Speaker 1: Saint Almos Steakhouse. The night before the way in and
Speaker 1: you know, gets himself over the one ninety mark Um
Speaker 1: and the other thing bugs. Like we just talked about this.
Speaker 1: I think, obviously Bejan's the running back one in the
Speaker 1: rookie class in Dynasty rookie drafts, and I think Jamir
Speaker 1: Gibbs is pretty solid at number two. I don't see
Speaker 1: anyone overtaking him. Uh you know, I personally have eh
Speaker 1: and three and I think after he runs his forty uh,
Speaker 1: there's gonna be some momentum for him there. But really,
Speaker 1: after Gibbs, it is a crapshoot at running back. So
Speaker 1: these forty times, agility drills, jumps, wigh ends like this
Speaker 1: is all gonna matter like substantially because it is a
Speaker 1: deep running back class. Bogs. It's like twenty or twenty
Speaker 1: five dudes deep. And I think that they got separate themselves.
Speaker 1: They got it. They gotta gonna help us. It's gonna
Speaker 1: help us put the pieces together for like what order
Speaker 1: we draft these guys. Yeah, for running back. For me,
Speaker 1: it's will be Jean do anything, because once again, if
Speaker 1: he does, he'll have great numbers. And uh, you know,
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know how much further. He can
Speaker 1: even move himself up though, so I don't expect him
Speaker 1: to do anything, but if he did, I think he
Speaker 1: would go from you can't draft to running back in
Speaker 1: the top fifteen. What are you thinking too? He's getting
Speaker 1: drafted in the top fifteen. So if he does decide
Speaker 1: to participate, I think he can move his stock up
Speaker 1: in the first round. UM forty time for Moebraham because
Speaker 1: he came in at five to seven, which was just
Speaker 1: so surprising, and the dude is rocked up like mj D.
Speaker 1: But if he runs, he tours Achilles two years ago,
Speaker 1: so if he runs terribly because of that, he's gonna
Speaker 1: get just wiped off of boards. But if he runs
Speaker 1: a fast forty you know, or faster than expected for
Speaker 1: a man at his size, in his really his girth,
Speaker 1: then he's gonna be, uh, you know, a high Day
Speaker 1: three pick. I don't think he can climb in the
Speaker 1: Day two at five to seven, but he could be
Speaker 1: a high Day three pick if he runs well. I
Speaker 1: don't really expect him to, but I would love to
Speaker 1: see him do it. Can Chase Brown get some positivity
Speaker 1: back because it was all negative from the Senior Bowl
Speaker 1: and this is a guy that had three hundred carries
Speaker 1: for Illinois last year. He's a decent back, but he's
Speaker 1: under size. He had fumble issues and he could not
Speaker 1: pass block to save his life at the Senior Bowl.
Speaker 1: So how much has he improved in one month? And
Speaker 1: if we see, you know, if we see a little
Speaker 1: buzz on him, can he put himself back into being drafted.
Speaker 1: Abakanda's Israel Abikanda's track speed. Another dude like Devin a
Speaker 1: chain that it was a track star along with you know,
Speaker 1: playing football in high school before switching to just football
Speaker 1: at pitt. This dude, when he sees green, he is gone.
Speaker 1: So I want to see his forty time and then
Speaker 1: Deuce Vaughn's real height. That's what I want to get.
Speaker 1: I mean, is there any way he is five six?
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna come in at like five five
Speaker 1: and a quarter something like that. But there's no way
Speaker 1: he's five six, right? He is teeny tiny? Yeah he is.
Speaker 1: Darren Sprawls the second coming basically with wide receivers. I mean,
Speaker 1: wide receivers are just like you said with with the
Speaker 1: running backs, there are so many of them that forty
Speaker 1: times is going to be a big difference. I personally
Speaker 1: hate the three cone drill. I think it's dumb, you know.
Speaker 1: And my favorite thing to say is whenever dk Metcalft
Speaker 1: is something amazing that we haven't seen, like you know,
Speaker 1: his jump at the Pro Bowl weekend and all that stuff,
Speaker 1: it's like, man, how much better do you think he
Speaker 1: would be if he just ran that three cone drill? Better?
Speaker 1: You know, because everyone's making up big he's so stiff,
Speaker 1: he's lanky, and he's just stiff. He can't he has
Speaker 1: no separation, he won't be able to turn. Okay, doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: He's a physical freak. He's a monster, and he eats
Speaker 1: contact like it's lunch. That is a DK Metcalf. So
Speaker 1: the you know, the three cone drill does matter for
Speaker 1: some positions, and it does matter for some white owns,
Speaker 1: but he is not that type of guy. You're not
Speaker 1: asking him to make sharp cuts. You're asking him to
Speaker 1: make contested catches. So it matters for the smaller guys.
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter for the bigger guys in my opinion.
Speaker 1: So but I forty times for those guys separators, Josh Downs,
Speaker 1: forty time I'm really intrigued by because we went through
Speaker 1: it and saw that he was the second best contested
Speaker 1: catchwide receiver in the country last year. So we know
Speaker 1: he can go up and make a catch. Can he
Speaker 1: run past someone? Is he gonna be able to snap
Speaker 1: off for out and get open? That's gonna be big
Speaker 1: for his stock. Um, you know, the smaller guy's actual
Speaker 1: height and weight in the bigger guys forty times is
Speaker 1: what I want to see. And then when we get
Speaker 1: to tight ends fits, there's nothing I want to see
Speaker 1: more than Darnel Washington's forty time. That is what I
Speaker 1: want to see more than anything in the draft because
Speaker 1: if it's fast, especially fast for a man of his size,
Speaker 1: he is gonna he might be a bottom end of
Speaker 1: the first round tight end. You could squint and see
Speaker 1: that easily. But if he runs, you know, if he
Speaker 1: runs a fast forty, he will be a first round
Speaker 1: pick at tight end because of his massive size. So, uh,
Speaker 1: those are the things that I can kind of point
Speaker 1: out that I want to see, But really, above all measurements,
Speaker 1: to me, it's NFL rumors. That's number one for me.
Speaker 1: Anything else from the combine that you want to see
Speaker 1: fifteen all right, well, that is gonna wrap it up
Speaker 1: for us. We will be back sooner. I believe our
Speaker 1: next show is gonna be a mock draft. We don't
Speaker 1: know when it's scheduled because you're on the road. You're
Speaker 1: you're a trap a man coming up. You're going to
Speaker 1: Dallas for the Fantasy pros. Uh, you know, retreat and
Speaker 1: get away. It's not football season anymore, so all of
Speaker 1: you full timers are going to be meeting and hanging
Speaker 1: out and having a good old time, right, That's gonna
Speaker 1: be great. Yeah, and uh, you know usually some of
Speaker 1: those nights we are watching the Combine together and you know,
Speaker 1: maybe having a cocktail while we watched the sprints, which
Speaker 1: is kind of a fun way to watch it. So yeah,
Speaker 1: looking forward to that. Oh that sounds fun, man, Well
Speaker 1: enjoy that at fits underscore. FF, what do you have
Speaker 1: coming up besides hanging and relaxing with Pizza, Pia and
Speaker 1: the group. All about the Combine bogs. We're you know,
Speaker 1: shuffling the dynasty rankings around and you know, turning out
Speaker 1: Combine content. Here we are diving head first in the
Speaker 1: draft season. That's it. That's it for me. You can
Speaker 1: of course find me here with Fitzy. Like I said,
Speaker 1: we're gonna be doing a mock draft pretty soon here
Speaker 1: a super flex mock draft as well, so that's gonna
Speaker 1: be a lot of fun and you can catch me
Speaker 1: on in this league. It's hell week. Like I said,
Speaker 1: over doing baseball. We did five episodes this week breaking
Speaker 1: down all the positions and the overall so please check
Speaker 1: that out if you are a baseball fan. Also the
Speaker 1: war Room podcasts I have with ck over there, we
Speaker 1: did my very first mock draft of the year, one
Speaker 1: through thirty two. C K and I put this together,
Speaker 1: so it was a lot of fun. We had some
Speaker 1: fun trades in there. We sent Lamar over to Atlanta Fitzy,
Speaker 1: so you'll enjoy that one. So I mean, that'd be
Speaker 1: great for Kyle Pitts, wouldn't it. So we did a
Speaker 1: couple of trades in there too, so it was a
Speaker 1: lot of fun to finally get my first mock done.
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