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Speaker 1: All right, Right, So what I wanted to do here
Speaker 1: with this conversation as we move into final running back
Speaker 1: evaluations is again I mentioned I just didn't want to
Speaker 1: go down like our top fifteen, right and just kind
Speaker 1: of just go like, okay, what are your thoughts and
Speaker 1: feelings on this guy? No, what I wanted to do
Speaker 1: is go through these insuperlative form here. So what we're
Speaker 1: going to do is we've got five different criteria here,
Speaker 1: five different relatives that we are going to run through
Speaker 1: in this episode, and then we'll run through a few
Speaker 1: more in part two, and then we will give our
Speaker 1: top ten rankings in part two. Right, so stay tuned
Speaker 1: for that. But what we're gonna run through here is superlatives.
Speaker 1: We're gonna run through a few of them, and Rate,
Speaker 1: I'm going to hand this over to you first, so
Speaker 1: you know which five that we're talking about here tonight,
Speaker 1: We're gonna give you the first pick. Man, who what
Speaker 1: superlatives do you want to talk about? And who is
Speaker 1: that player? Yeah, let's go ahead, and let's start this
Speaker 1: off with the most elusive running back, because that's what
Speaker 1: people want to know. Who what? What? Which one of
Speaker 1: these running backs is the most elusive? And for me,
Speaker 1: it's probably a guy you wouldn't expect, but if you
Speaker 1: know me, you probably do expect it. It's Naja Harris,
Speaker 1: the running back out of Alabama. Could be six two,
Speaker 1: two hundred and thirty pounds and have the feet that
Speaker 1: he does inside the hole. You constantly see him make
Speaker 1: defenders miss leaping over defenders on in the sideline. The power.
Speaker 1: I just you know that that's he shouldn't be able
Speaker 1: to move as quickly laterally as he does. So, Naji
Speaker 1: Harris most elusive running back for me in this class.
Speaker 1: It's a surprising name because when you think about Naji
Speaker 1: Harris at you know you mentioned it two hundred and
Speaker 1: thirty pounds, You're not thinking about elusive. So break it
Speaker 1: down at least a little bit more like what is
Speaker 1: it just because of his size and how elusive he
Speaker 1: is operating within that because I don't I think that
Speaker 1: there are other guys who can make people miss more
Speaker 1: than Naji, But when you do, they're operating at thirty
Speaker 1: forty pounds less than Naji. Right, So are you taking
Speaker 1: weight into account there or what makes you exactly buy
Speaker 1: into Naji Harris is the most elusive running back in
Speaker 1: this class. Yeah, I think he's got the best footwork,
Speaker 1: He's got the best feat when you talk about from
Speaker 1: the time that he gets the ball in the backfield,
Speaker 1: his decision making in the hole, and then that one
Speaker 1: cutibility and I think a lot of times, you know,
Speaker 1: Shady McCoy, Barry Sanders, those type of juke elusive moves
Speaker 1: are at the forefront of people's minds. But if you
Speaker 1: really watch him run in the way that he can
Speaker 1: manipulate defenders with that excellent footwork. He makes a lot
Speaker 1: of defenders miss on first after first contact, before he's contacted.
Speaker 1: And again, Yes, to be that size and be able
Speaker 1: to have the footwork that he has to make him
Speaker 1: make defenders miss. It doesn't look the same as a smaller,
Speaker 1: shiftier running back, but I think Naji is the most
Speaker 1: lucid back in his class. He definitely can make people
Speaker 1: miss and threatened defenders in the open field with a
Speaker 1: variety of ways. Right, you, if you're a safety meeting
Speaker 1: Naji Harris at the second level, you have absolutely no
Speaker 1: idea if he is going to work around you, hurdle you,
Speaker 1: or run through you. And that just makes him so
Speaker 1: completely dangerous. So I love the selection here of Naji.
Speaker 1: It's a little bit off the wall, but I do
Speaker 1: love it. I'm gonna go with a five foot eight,
Speaker 1: one hundred ninety nine pound running back. That's Michael Carter
Speaker 1: out of UNC Now Carter might have weighed in just
Speaker 1: a little bit over two hundred, but he's in that range, right,
Speaker 1: He's a smaller running back compares to ninehe hines. And
Speaker 1: we've talked about this before, like that is kind of
Speaker 1: the comp and the style in which Michael Carter is
Speaker 1: going to play. But I'm talking about him here as
Speaker 1: the most elusive running back in this class in my opinion,
Speaker 1: because of his burst and acceleration. I use this term
Speaker 1: all the time in my scouting profiles and in the
Speaker 1: work that when I'm writing up these guys that Michael
Speaker 1: Carter is an angle buster in the open field where
Speaker 1: a safety is coming in. You know, Michael Carter works
Speaker 1: on an outside zone. He reaches the open field and
Speaker 1: the safety is coming in. He thinks he's got that angle,
Speaker 1: he's got that tackling angle to be able to make
Speaker 1: that play. What Michael Carter can do with his acceleration
Speaker 1: and burst is he just hits that extra little gear
Speaker 1: and it throws off the safety's angle. And now the
Speaker 1: safety is reeling because he's coming full force and he's
Speaker 1: not able to meet Michael Carter where he thought he
Speaker 1: was going to be right, He's now at a different
Speaker 1: effort at a different spot. So Carter is going to
Speaker 1: be able to make defenders miss in a variety of
Speaker 1: different ways, whether it is through being able to throttle
Speaker 1: down and then accelerate his momentum or being to shift
Speaker 1: side to side with that horizontal, that lateral mobility. He's
Speaker 1: excellent with his footwork and being able to still move
Speaker 1: his feet while still moving laterally. It's it's one of
Speaker 1: the traits that I love the most at the running
Speaker 1: back position. So being able to set up his defenders
Speaker 1: with footwork, You're not going to get your hands on
Speaker 1: Michael Carter very often. So I'm a big fan of his.
Speaker 1: I think that he's not going to be a three
Speaker 1: down workhorse back. He's just not. That's not how his
Speaker 1: skill set, how he profiles. But what he can do
Speaker 1: from making defenders miss, he's going to pick up chunk
Speaker 1: plays at the next level. So Michael Carter running back
Speaker 1: out of UNC is the most elusive back in this classroom.
Speaker 1: What are your thoughts here with Michael Carter and specifically
Speaker 1: me including him here with the most elusive superlative? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I just think that, you know, when you look across
Speaker 1: the board at all of these running backs, none of
Speaker 1: them have the type of the elusiveness that most people
Speaker 1: probably think about when they hear that word, right, because
Speaker 1: you do think the juke move like Sean McCoy, you know,
Speaker 1: Shady McCoy breaking defenders down, say, Klon Barkley sends down. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but none of them are really elusive like that. They've
Speaker 1: got their own, you know, unique ways in which they
Speaker 1: make defenders miss. But none of these guys, Carter, Harris Williams,
Speaker 1: none of them move like you know most people would think.
Speaker 1: And I just think listening to you explain why Carter
Speaker 1: is the most elusive for you is different from mine,
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Speaker 1: on to let's go best power back here, right, So
Speaker 1: the power the player that we are going to be
Speaker 1: able to insert in just a downhill running scheme that
Speaker 1: is going to win with power. I'll let you go
Speaker 1: first again here. Who is the best power back in
Speaker 1: this class? Yeah, I've got Javonte Williams. Yeah, your guy,
Speaker 1: Marco Carter's teammate at the University of North Carolina. I mean,
Speaker 1: Williams is an absolute tank. He is a hammer. I
Speaker 1: think he led the country and like broken tackles truck sticks.
Speaker 1: I'm not joking. He runs with an attitude, he runs
Speaker 1: physical and you see him punish defenders time after time again.
Speaker 1: His power I think translates from day one on whatever
Speaker 1: NFL team he lands on. I mean, you don't have
Speaker 1: to look any further than that Miami run, right, And
Speaker 1: when I say that Miami run, you know exactly which
Speaker 1: one I'm talking about where Javonte Williams, I mean, breaks
Speaker 1: like four or five different tackles, just lowers his shoulder
Speaker 1: and just bowls this defense, this poor Miami safety year
Speaker 1: you know, corner, he just sends him into next year.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I think Javonte Williams is not exactly when
Speaker 1: you think about best power back, I think there's a
Speaker 1: guy that I'm obviously going to talk about here but
Speaker 1: in just a second. But I think pound for pound,
Speaker 1: what Javonta Williams brings to the table absolutely is worthy
Speaker 1: of classifying him here as the best power back because
Speaker 1: what he's going to do is he's going to win
Speaker 1: by engaging in contact, and that is where he's willing
Speaker 1: and able. He has the frame at two hundred and
Speaker 1: twenty pounds, he's able to engage in contact, but then
Speaker 1: he pairs it with his balance and that is something
Speaker 1: that I absolutely love about Javontay Williams is not only
Speaker 1: does he have the power to engage, but then he
Speaker 1: also has the balance to support it. So when he
Speaker 1: does engage with the defender, it's not like he's just
Speaker 1: going right down, he's just crumpling in. You knows that's
Speaker 1: where the play ends. No, He's then able to find
Speaker 1: his center, find his center of gravity, and then just
Speaker 1: continue chucking along. So yeah, I think Javontay Williams is
Speaker 1: going to step into whatever scheme. I think that he's
Speaker 1: scheme versatile, where you can put him in a variety
Speaker 1: of different approaches and attacks and he's still going to
Speaker 1: be able to provide value because not only does he
Speaker 1: have enough speed and athleticism, but then he compare it
Speaker 1: with his contact balance. So I love the inclusion there
Speaker 1: of Javonta Williams. Now, I was going to ask you
Speaker 1: about Williams when we're talking about him here. David Montgomery
Speaker 1: was a comp that I recently came across because when
Speaker 1: you're looking at Williams is like his measurables right at
Speaker 1: two hundred and twenty pounds, it's around what David Montgomery is,
Speaker 1: you think about how they win. It's a very very
Speaker 1: similar way in their contact balance. David Montgomery's you know,
Speaker 1: say what you want about Montgomery, but his contact balance
Speaker 1: is one of his best traits. He does not go
Speaker 1: down on first contact. He's always fighting for additional yardage,
Speaker 1: and I think that that's how Javontay Williams is going
Speaker 1: to win at the next level. So I just wanted
Speaker 1: your gut reaction, like, as a comp for David Montgomery
Speaker 1: to Javonta Williams, what do you think about that? I don't.
Speaker 1: That's the first I've heard that, But I don't. I
Speaker 1: don't dislike it. Like, I think that's a fair one
Speaker 1: for me. He really reminds me of Chris Carson's. That's
Speaker 1: who he reminds me of. Oh yeah, I mean Chris
Speaker 1: Carson is always willing to engage in contact and he's
Speaker 1: not going down on first on first contact there, So yeah,
Speaker 1: I like that. Okay, So for me best power back,
Speaker 1: I am going to go with the two hundred and
Speaker 1: thirty pound running back in this class, I'm gonna go
Speaker 1: with Naji Harris. Right. You talked about him with being elusive,
Speaker 1: but yet he also combines that with power and this
Speaker 1: is something that I love about Naji Harris's tape where
Speaker 1: you looked in eighteen, twenty nineteen, whatever, you looked at
Speaker 1: Naji Harris's tape and you said, man, you're two hundred
Speaker 1: and twenty pounds at that time, now two hundred and thirty. Like,
Speaker 1: engage with the defender. Lower your shoulder. He was constantly
Speaker 1: trying to go around the defender, make them miss, and
Speaker 1: it just wasn't working, and he was trying to hurdle
Speaker 1: and getting himself into weird situations. You're like, no, don't
Speaker 1: do that. Just lower your shoulder. You're going up against
Speaker 1: a two hundred pounds safety at the second level, Like,
Speaker 1: just lower and engage. And in the towards the end
Speaker 1: of the twenty twenty season, in his tape and especially
Speaker 1: or I'm sorry at twenty nineteen season and then especially
Speaker 1: in the twenty twenty season, you definitely saw this. You
Speaker 1: saw Naji you just take an additional step here with
Speaker 1: being willing to lower his shoulder, engage in contact and
Speaker 1: win with power. And I talked about that when you
Speaker 1: were mentioning the elusive part of his game, that that's
Speaker 1: what makes him so valuable is that you don't know
Speaker 1: how he is going to how he is going to
Speaker 1: beat that's defender that's coming in on and in trying
Speaker 1: to engage with him. Is he going to go around you?
Speaker 1: Is he going to go through you? Is he going
Speaker 1: to go over you? You just absolutely do not know.
Speaker 1: With Naji Harris. So I think Power back absolutely worthy
Speaker 1: of including him here, and I think that he is
Speaker 1: going to be the main guy that we think about
Speaker 1: when we're talking about power at this class. Now, I
Speaker 1: did want to mention a lower tier name here, a
Speaker 1: guy that we because I think just talking about the
Speaker 1: top tier guys in these superlatives isn't necessarily the most helpful.
Speaker 1: I wanted to include some of these other guys. So
Speaker 1: Romandre Stevenson, we talked about him here on a recent podcast.
Speaker 1: I think it was that that was our sleeper episode.
Speaker 1: I was talking about Romander Stevenson, the running back out
Speaker 1: of Oklahoma, now six foot He was listed as playing
Speaker 1: at two hundred and forty seven pounds, shows up to
Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl at two hundred and twenty seven pounds.
Speaker 1: So now there's a discrepancy where, okay, what did you
Speaker 1: actually play at Because if you were playing at two
Speaker 1: hundred and forty seven pounds, he actually is a pretty
Speaker 1: good athlete for what you know, for playing at that weight.
Speaker 1: But then when you say, okay, do you wait two
Speaker 1: hundred and twenty seven pounds and that's what you played
Speaker 1: at and you were just grossly overlisted. Okay, now we
Speaker 1: have some concerns as far as your overall athleticism. Ran
Speaker 1: a four six three forty yard dash at his pro
Speaker 1: day recently, which again is it's not terrible. There have
Speaker 1: been some pretty productive running backs who have ran in
Speaker 1: the four sixes, especially when you factor in his size.
Speaker 1: But including Romandre Stevenson here because he reminds me a
Speaker 1: lot of Jordan Howard. Jordan Howard coming out was that
Speaker 1: guy who is just so economic with his space and
Speaker 1: being able to make defenders miss and have just great
Speaker 1: understanding of where defenders are. I see that with Stevenson.
Speaker 1: But yet Stevenson combines that with great power, willing to
Speaker 1: play with a low pad level, willing to play with
Speaker 1: a low center of gravity, and be able to engage
Speaker 1: with defenders and pick up additional yardage. So whyted to
Speaker 1: include Rander Stevenson here in this superlative of best power back?
Speaker 1: But the title goes to Naji Harris. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: that's what makes Naji so good is because I think
Speaker 1: he can do everything. He's a power back, He's elusive,
Speaker 1: he can catch the ball. That's just what makes him
Speaker 1: so good. But so I'm up right, my turn to
Speaker 1: pick this superlative and I'm gonna do one that we're
Speaker 1: gonna agree on, so we can kind of talk about
Speaker 1: this guy together. But the best receiving back, and I've
Speaker 1: got Kenneth Gainwell and Yates. You have Kenneth Gainwell as well,
Speaker 1: And honestly, I don't feel that this is really much
Speaker 1: of a debate. Gainwell, ye, I mean, he's a phenomenal
Speaker 1: pass catcher. I mean what he did as a redshirt
Speaker 1: freshman at Memphis, you know, combined with his rushing. But
Speaker 1: I think he's not only just the best pass catcher
Speaker 1: in terms of securing the ball out of the running
Speaker 1: back position, but literally probably the most versatile. You can
Speaker 1: line him up and let him run some slot like
Speaker 1: you can see him be utilized like in that way
Speaker 1: that Levion Bell did some years back with the Steelers
Speaker 1: as a as a weapon out of the out of
Speaker 1: the backfield. So I mean, we both have this guy
Speaker 1: is the best receiving back, I mean just add to it,
Speaker 1: because he's phenomenal in that aspect. Yeah, So I go
Speaker 1: through when I'm doing scouting, and I've scouted twenty one
Speaker 1: running backs at this point, and I assign a grade
Speaker 1: for each individual category that I've got, and one of
Speaker 1: them is you know, receiving hands right there, their pass
Speaker 1: catching ability, And honestly, it's not close as far as
Speaker 1: like the next running back with Kenneth Gainwell, and for
Speaker 1: Gainwell to do what he does as a receiver from
Speaker 1: a running back position, right like, there is a there's
Speaker 1: a catch that he has where he is. I think
Speaker 1: he's either running a wheel route or he's lined up
Speaker 1: out wide. I can't remember what this play happens at
Speaker 1: the sideline and it's a back shoulder, back shoulder, back
Speaker 1: shoulder catch. You know exactly which one I'm talking about,
Speaker 1: And it is just absurd for a running back to
Speaker 1: make that type of grab. So I think we've gained
Speaker 1: Well and he's comped for me from a heightened weight perspective.
Speaker 1: But then also play style a JD. Mckissic. Now, mckissic
Speaker 1: hasn't exactly produced to the level that I think gain
Speaker 1: Well will in the NFL. I like gain Well more
Speaker 1: than I do JD. Mckissic, but that's at least the
Speaker 1: play style and how they're going to kind of project
Speaker 1: Gainwell to the next level. So I think that he
Speaker 1: is going to be able to step onto whatever, into
Speaker 1: whatever offense that he lands in and just be that
Speaker 1: most reliable receiving option for that running back or for
Speaker 1: that quarterback. You know, I think of Tampa Bay, like
Speaker 1: Tampa Bay has Ronald Jones and the Leonard Fournette and
Speaker 1: the Keyshawn Vaughan experiment. As far as pass catchers out
Speaker 1: of the backfield, news flash, it hasn't worked. So you're
Speaker 1: gonna need to add someone to be that pass catching
Speaker 1: running back, and Gainwell just slides right in there. So naturally,
Speaker 1: whether that's in the back of the second round or
Speaker 1: the potentially the third round. So I would love to
Speaker 1: see Gainwell land there because, like I said, it's not
Speaker 1: even close. And then not even to mention what he
Speaker 1: just did at his pro day right measuring in at
Speaker 1: over two hundred pounds and running what did he run?
Speaker 1: I'm looking it up right now. Four four two put
Speaker 1: up what twenty two? Yeah? Twenty something reps. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: just it's crazy, man, Like, Yeah, four twenty one reps
Speaker 1: weighing in at two oh one to four four two
Speaker 1: just crazy. So I don't Again, it's kind of with
Speaker 1: Michael Carter. It's the same thing where I don't think
Speaker 1: that he's going to be that workhorse back at two
Speaker 1: hundred and two pounds. It's likely not going to happen.
Speaker 1: But yet he can be that guy who gets the
Speaker 1: six targets five six targets per game and then gets
Speaker 1: the five to seven carries per game. Like that's going
Speaker 1: to have value specifically in fantasy football. So really really
Speaker 1: excited about Kenneth Gainwell. Is there another guy that you
Speaker 1: at least wanted to highlight here as far as like
Speaker 1: maybe lower down the board for the best receiving back.
Speaker 1: Travis Eytn is in that conversation, but of course he's
Speaker 1: one of the guys that will we'll talk about here
Speaker 1: as towards the top of the class. He's a great
Speaker 1: pass catcher in his own right. Is there anyone else
Speaker 1: that stands out kind of lower down the board you
Speaker 1: might want to mention as far as best receiving back. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think a player that that I'll touch on in
Speaker 1: a little bit. Um is it's it's it's between Elijah
Speaker 1: Mitchell from Louisiana. And then I want to say, I
Speaker 1: want to say Kylin Hill. Kylin Hill can catch ball
Speaker 1: as well, and we saw that early this past season
Speaker 1: before he went out, but it's it's gained well by
Speaker 1: long shot. Yeah, So let's talk about Kylan Hills. So
Speaker 1: moving on to the next superlative. Here, we're gonna go
Speaker 1: highest ceiling and I'm gonna go with my guy first,
Speaker 1: and I'm going to talk about of course, Travis Etn.
Speaker 1: Like Etn of course just has the if he lands
Speaker 1: in an outside zone scheme, you know, like I think
Speaker 1: of either San Francisco potentially in the second round or
Speaker 1: the New York Jets, like someone running that style of
Speaker 1: offense where he's just going to be able to utilize
Speaker 1: the speed and athleticism but then also be a crazy
Speaker 1: utilized passcatcher out of the backfield. Like I don't say
Speaker 1: this but lightly, but like I think seven hundred and
Speaker 1: seven hundred and fifty is absolutely in the cards for
Speaker 1: Travis Cytn at one point in his career, maybe even
Speaker 1: a thousand and one thousand like that is kind of
Speaker 1: the player that I think he can be in the
Speaker 1: NFL as far as a thousand rushing yards, a thousand
Speaker 1: receiving that's a lofty goal. I'm not going to see that,
Speaker 1: like definitively that that's going to happen. But yet that's
Speaker 1: what he can be now. Kylan Hill running back out
Speaker 1: of Mississippi State. It's crazy the difference in his twenty
Speaker 1: nineteen usage versus versus his twenty twenty He was a
Speaker 1: predominantly like he was utilized heavily as a ball carrier
Speaker 1: out of you know, out of the backfield. I think
Speaker 1: he had over two hundred and forty rush attempts in
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen and then only played three games in twenty twenty,
Speaker 1: had only fifteen total carries on the season, but twenty
Speaker 1: three receptions, averaging over ten yards per clip. So Hill,
Speaker 1: as far as a receiver, really really smooth, really really
Speaker 1: natural receiver. And now the passes that were coming his way,
Speaker 1: we're not exactly the most accurate. And you saw him continuously,
Speaker 1: you know, reaching outside of his radius to be able
Speaker 1: to bring in these these catches and making him look
Speaker 1: just natural and smooth. So I think Hill, if he
Speaker 1: lands in an offense and you know I talked about
Speaker 1: Tampa Bay if they don't want to if Gainwell's off
Speaker 1: the board and they want to invest in Kylan Hill.
Speaker 1: Like Hill has the versatility where he can be the
Speaker 1: primary ball carrier as well. I don't think that that's
Speaker 1: his strong suit. I don't think that that's how he
Speaker 1: should be utilized exactly, but he does have some tremendous
Speaker 1: upside as far as the receiving back out of the
Speaker 1: backfield great and pass protection too. Just knocked it out
Speaker 1: of the park in that department at the Senior Bowl specifically.
Speaker 1: So really interested here with Kylan Hill. Kind of one
Speaker 1: of those sleeper guys that not many people are talking about.
Speaker 1: But now I have him ranked pretty highly. We'll find
Speaker 1: out next episode where exactly he lands in my rankings.
Speaker 1: But really excited about Kylan Hill. I'm glad that you
Speaker 1: mentioned him there. Yeah, and he you know, he did
Speaker 1: show this past season and limited limited games that he
Speaker 1: is very smooth out of the backfield, but he had
Speaker 1: done that earlier in his career. So he is one
Speaker 1: of the names he starts to pick up a little steam,
Speaker 1: but not probably not nearly enough, especially if he's drafted
Speaker 1: anywhere like early day three, that would be outstanding for
Speaker 1: a player like Kylin Hill. For me, the player that
Speaker 1: I have with the highest ceiling is somebody that I
Speaker 1: mean I loved going into twenty nineteen and was excited
Speaker 1: about here in twenty twenty, and it just didn't come
Speaker 1: to fruition in twenty twenty. But that's Cuba Hubbard, the
Speaker 1: running back out of Oklahoma State. Listen. Cuba is not
Speaker 1: particularly good at great at a lot of things. He's
Speaker 1: not the most to be six foot one, two hundred
Speaker 1: and ten pounds almost, He's not very physical. He's not
Speaker 1: good in pass protection. He can't catch the ball in
Speaker 1: the backfield. He was utilized on special teams at Oklahoma State.
Speaker 1: He's not super agile. But the one thing that he
Speaker 1: is good at, and he is really really good at,
Speaker 1: is in a zone blocking scheme, identifying the whole one cut,
Speaker 1: get downhill and take off and fly. That's what he's
Speaker 1: good at. Like that's he does that better than almost anybody.
Speaker 1: I mean, he has elite type speed. You know, when
Speaker 1: Cuba hits the open field, it's a massive chunk gag
Speaker 1: or it's a touchdown. And if he lands on an
Speaker 1: NFL team, and he's getting he's given an opportunity to
Speaker 1: fall into a zone scheme like that where all he
Speaker 1: has to do is just make one cut and get downhill.
Speaker 1: I think the ceiling could be extremely high in fantasy
Speaker 1: football because he will hit the home run at the
Speaker 1: next level. He does have that type of speed. We're
Speaker 1: in agreement here because and especially with the zone blocking
Speaker 1: scheme specifically, they tried so. Sean Gleason was the offensive
Speaker 1: coordinator in Oklahoma at Oklahoma State in twenty nineteen. They
Speaker 1: changed to Casey Dunne in twenty twenty, and I noticed
Speaker 1: a drastic difference as far as how they were utilizing
Speaker 1: and deploying Cuba Hubbard, and it was a lot of
Speaker 1: trying to force Cuba in between the tackles. They weren't
Speaker 1: running a ton of outside zone stuff in twenty twenty,
Speaker 1: at least in the games that I watched. So that's
Speaker 1: taking away Cuba's greatest strength because he does not have
Speaker 1: the ability to shift his momentum side to side. He
Speaker 1: doesn't have great lateral mobility. So I do think that
Speaker 1: he's going to be best utilized. And when we say
Speaker 1: his zone blocking scheme, what we mean by that is
Speaker 1: rather than identifying the offensive line, the protection identifying the
Speaker 1: player that's directly in front of them and blocking that player,
Speaker 1: what they're doing is they're moving side to side and
Speaker 1: blocking a specific zone. So at that point, what the
Speaker 1: running back is able to do is they're moving laterally, right,
Speaker 1: they're moving east or west, and then when they see
Speaker 1: an opening the offensive line has been able to move
Speaker 1: a defender who's on the move or whatever, then they
Speaker 1: plant their left foot in the ground, or if they're
Speaker 1: moving to the left, they plant their right foot in
Speaker 1: the ground. If they're moving to the right, and they
Speaker 1: accelerate up field, they get up field. At that point,
Speaker 1: that is what Cuba needs to be successful because for
Speaker 1: him to work in between the tackles and trying to
Speaker 1: move like he doesn't have great footwork. So with him
Speaker 1: being able to try to move laterally, side to side
Speaker 1: and shifting his momentum to be able to find these
Speaker 1: gaps and identify rushing lanes, it's just not going to work.
Speaker 1: It didn't work in twenty twenty. His production what over
Speaker 1: two thousand yards in twenty nineteen, right yet production fell
Speaker 1: off a cliff in twenty twenty. It was just not
Speaker 1: there and you see it all the time where he
Speaker 1: has trouble throttling down his momentum, being able to, you know,
Speaker 1: when he is working in building up momentum, being able
Speaker 1: to try to stop and start. It's just not in
Speaker 1: his game. So if you can get him in that
Speaker 1: scheme where he is able to just plant this way,
Speaker 1: he doesn't have to think about it much. He's able
Speaker 1: to just work, see that open lane, hit it, and go.
Speaker 1: Like you mentioned, I absolutely think. But he's also the
Speaker 1: guy that I'm going to include in my lowest floor
Speaker 1: because there are people that that's the next upprelative lowest
Speaker 1: floor here, because I think that people are still going
Speaker 1: to buy into somewhat the twenty nineteen production, and we
Speaker 1: just talked about like it can work, but yet it
Speaker 1: is a huge guessing game. It is a huge mystery
Speaker 1: whether or not what happened in twenty nineteen was a
Speaker 1: fluke or if you can get that to replicate, because
Speaker 1: what you saw in twenty twenty is a frankly udfa
Speaker 1: like that is just not an undrafted free agent, that
Speaker 1: is not a running back that I want to invest
Speaker 1: highly in. So his draft stock is now just a
Speaker 1: complete mystery. Does he go in the fourth round. I
Speaker 1: don't see him going higher than that. Correct me, Like,
Speaker 1: let me know if you see differently, I could easily
Speaker 1: see Tuba going undrafted, like just because there are going
Speaker 1: to be so many question marks or surrounding him. So
Speaker 1: it's all going to come down to is he going
Speaker 1: to get that opportunity, what scheme does he land in?
Speaker 1: Like that is just all going to play into Cuba's
Speaker 1: projection at the next level. And from a fantasy perspective specifically,
Speaker 1: I'm not going to be willing to invest a ton
Speaker 1: in tu but because he just does come with that
Speaker 1: ridiculously low floor based on where he goes in the
Speaker 1: NFL draft. So if you're drafting ahead of time, ahead
Speaker 1: of the NFL Draft, like, that's a situation where one
Speaker 1: I don't recommend it, but two, I'm just going to
Speaker 1: be more reserved and I think that there are still
Speaker 1: people based on a DP in the last that I saw,
Speaker 1: he was still going in like the second round of
Speaker 1: rookie drives. That's a little bit too rich for me.
Speaker 1: You should see my face over here. I am I
Speaker 1: am shocked, Yeates, I am completely and thoroughly shocked. A UDFA,
Speaker 1: I don't think there's here's here's the thing for everything.
Speaker 1: The Chube is and I think I even said that
Speaker 1: um when I started out. He's he doesn't have exceptional agility.
Speaker 1: He's not powerful at all. He's probably the Clyde Edwards.
Speaker 1: Hilaire is badening pass pro Chubehoverard is worse in past repression,
Speaker 1: Like he's terrible in that department. But he can catch
Speaker 1: the ball. And the thing that he does have is
Speaker 1: he's got the seasons. He's got because he played well
Speaker 1: with Justice Hill there. That's what put it put him
Speaker 1: on my radar going into twenty nineteen, and then he
Speaker 1: has the monstrous, you know, third season, Like he has speed,
Speaker 1: and the NFL is not going to let a player
Speaker 1: six foot one, two hundred and seven two hundred and
Speaker 1: ten pounds that can run as fast as he does
Speaker 1: go below the person that I think has one of
Speaker 1: the lowest floors in this class, and that's Ramondre Stevenson.
Speaker 1: I just don't see it with him. I tried very
Speaker 1: hard to get to look at it with an unbiased lens.
Speaker 1: He had a couple of huge runs in twenty nineteen
Speaker 1: versus the Kansas Jayhawks, and then I believe South Dakota
Speaker 1: where he ripped off some big runs. I know he
Speaker 1: had a good Florida game this past season, but he's
Speaker 1: he's He too likes to try to balance laterally and
Speaker 1: that is definitely not his game because he does not
Speaker 1: have the speed, the acceleration, or quickness to do that.
Speaker 1: He has. I think he's got good power and contact balance.
Speaker 1: He's a physical runner, and I believe you had him
Speaker 1: as one of the best powerbacks and I can't disagree
Speaker 1: with that. But he adn't gonna make anybody miss. He
Speaker 1: just he lacks I think with the player like Remandre Stevenson,
Speaker 1: and it's either he's gonna make the team and make
Speaker 1: the fifty three, or he's not going to be useful
Speaker 1: because you can't play on special teams. He's not that
Speaker 1: type of athlete to give you anything, whether it's a
Speaker 1: return man a gunner. Like He's got to make the
Speaker 1: top three running backs, and I think if he does,
Speaker 1: he's going to be the third string guy. I just
Speaker 1: I don't see any path through relevancy for him because
Speaker 1: he doesn't do anything exceptional. You know, at least Tuba
Speaker 1: can run fast in a straight line. Sure Stevenson can't
Speaker 1: even do that. So for me, that's a player I
Speaker 1: think I have him ranked like RB twenty twenty one
Speaker 1: and the class like yeah, I just I'm just not
Speaker 1: feeling him. Yeah, And I will say this like in
Speaker 1: this class specifically, and let me know your thoughts here.
Speaker 1: Right outside of we get to RB five, RB six,
Speaker 1: maybe we're RB seven, Like at that point, any of
Speaker 1: these guys from a fantasy perspective after that are completely
Speaker 1: landing spot dependent, Like they the path for them to
Speaker 1: have relevancy. They would either land in a great spot
Speaker 1: and be fantasy relevant or they could be you know,
Speaker 1: go later on in the draft and fall behind a
Speaker 1: veteran and they're never going to see the field. Like
Speaker 1: completely agree so with any of these guys, Like I'm
Speaker 1: not saying that Ramander Stevenson when I talk about him, like,
Speaker 1: I'm saying that I think he can have value if
Speaker 1: he gets an opportunity. But is he going to get
Speaker 1: that opportunity now with Cuba? You know, you were talking
Speaker 1: about him like as a UFA. I don't personally think
Speaker 1: that he's going to end up as a UDFA, but
Speaker 1: you know, we Matt Brida was a UDFA, Like he
Speaker 1: had a phenomenal pro day. Right, the numbers that he
Speaker 1: put up were just ridiculous, and he had that same
Speaker 1: speed element now he had. Of course he's in the NFL.
Speaker 1: I don't know what his college injury history was like,
Speaker 1: if that caused the slide or whatever. But Brida was
Speaker 1: a UDFA and he still had fantasy relevance for a period.
Speaker 1: He landed on a roster. Savan Akhmed last year was
Speaker 1: the same thing. So I think that it's not I'm
Speaker 1: putting it in the realm of possibilities? Am I predicting that?
Speaker 1: By no means I think that he's going to be
Speaker 1: a Day three guy where in Day three I have
Speaker 1: absolutely no idea because I mentioned the mysteries there, Right,
Speaker 1: what does the NFL view him as? What do they?
Speaker 1: You know? He is scheme dependent, so is an outside
Speaker 1: zone that limits, right, that limits the available teams that
Speaker 1: are going to be look in his direction. So all
Speaker 1: that can absolutely take a place and where he ends
Speaker 1: up and his fantasy outlook with Romandi Stevenson, it's exactly
Speaker 1: the same thing. Does he go in the sixth round?
Speaker 1: Then at that point, yeah, he's got a low floor
Speaker 1: because he's never going to see the field, you know, So,
Speaker 1: like I completely agree, it's just a matter of if
Speaker 1: he does get the opportunity. I think that he can
Speaker 1: have that Jordan Howard type impact because that's how I
Speaker 1: who I compared him to, who I comped him to,
Speaker 1: because I think that with Howard, no one was coming
Speaker 1: out and saying that he was going to be this great,
Speaker 1: you know, running back. But Jordan Howard was an extremely
Speaker 1: valuable fantasy running back because he landed in an opportunity
Speaker 1: that gave him or a space that gave him that opportunity.
Speaker 1: So we'll find out what think you said is. I
Speaker 1: think what you said is to me, it's it's the
Speaker 1: biggest takeaway from this entire exercise. And we're not even
Speaker 1: finished yet. But um, you said after six or seven,
Speaker 1: I'd say, after like four running backs, I just I
Speaker 1: don't particularly want any of them, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: After about four guys. And we'll get to the rankings later.
Speaker 1: For me, it's about four that I want, and then
Speaker 1: after those four, if I'm in the position and that's
Speaker 1: the value, cool, but I'm just not really in, you know,
Speaker 1: ecstatic about many of these guys. Absolutely, and we will
Speaker 1: continue the conversation here in part two is we move forward,
Speaker 1: but just running through our suprillatives and our answers, just
Speaker 1: to kind of recap here. So as we talked about
Speaker 1: the best power back in this class, Ray mentioned Javonte Williams,
Speaker 1: I touched on Nagy Harris and mentioned Ramandr Stevenson there
Speaker 1: as a sleeper most elusive running back, Ray went Naji Harris,
Speaker 1: which is just a testament to how how good of
Speaker 1: a player Naji here is. I had Michael Carter running
Speaker 1: back out of UNC the best receiving back. We both
Speaker 1: had Kenneth Gainwell the running back out of Memphis. Highest
Speaker 1: ceiling Ray went, excuse me, Ray went Cuba Hubbard. I
Speaker 1: went Travis etn or Kylan Hill as a kind of
Speaker 1: sleeper pick there. The lowest floor Ray went with ramondre Stevenson.
Speaker 1: I went with Cuba Hubbard. All right, man. So that
Speaker 1: does it for part one of the running back final
Speaker 1: evaluations here. We will move on to part two here
Speaker 1: in just a few days, though, just to look ahead
Speaker 1: at some of those superlatives that we'll be talking about.
Speaker 1: Our toughest evaluation, the guy that gave us like the
Speaker 1: most fits as far as scouting, and then our favorite
Speaker 1: Day three running back, and then we're going to plant
Speaker 1: our flag here on a running back to say this
Speaker 1: is my guy in the twenty twenty one NFL Draft class.
Speaker 1: And then of course running through our top ten rankings. Ray,
Speaker 1: this was a good first episode. Man, I feel good
Speaker 1: about the format here. How'd you feel about it? Yeah?
Speaker 1: This was fun. This was the best way that out
Speaker 1: of every fantasy show I've ever done to go through
Speaker 1: kind of our top guys, this has been the funnest
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