Speaker 1: What's going on? Everyone? Welcome into the Fantasy Pros Dynasty
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Speaker 1: by the Man with a Plan, Ray Garvin. Ray. How
Speaker 1: are you doing? Man? I mean today was kind of crazy.
Speaker 1: We had some Pro Day results come back. It was
Speaker 1: just hot. Twitter was set on fire, like Twitter was hopping, man.
Speaker 1: Just how are you doing? How's how are things going today?
Speaker 1: Between trades, between my son being weaned off the pacifier,
Speaker 1: between f F Fit Club, I mean, it's just everything
Speaker 1: is crazy. Man. It's it's Pro Day season. We are
Speaker 1: what one month away from the draft. So yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's it's good brother. How you doing this season?
Speaker 1: I'm good? Man? Yeah? That that day again, Dad talk,
Speaker 1: That day is a rough day, weeding off the PASSI fire.
Speaker 1: That is a rough day. I feel for you definitely.
Speaker 1: So all right, before we get into the content of
Speaker 1: the day, and of course, we're carrying the conversation over
Speaker 1: from our previous episode looking at running back and final
Speaker 1: running back evaluations, putting a bow on these guys in
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Speaker 1: going to continue the Dynasty content and the Talco round here.
Speaker 1: But Ray, we gotta look at specifically a trade that
Speaker 1: happened just shook the entire NFL world on Friday, and
Speaker 1: it was just ridiculous, man, Like, this news broke and
Speaker 1: my mind melted, and then it just continued to melt
Speaker 1: because it got poured on. That is, of course, that
Speaker 1: the San Francisco forty nine ers traded from the number
Speaker 1: twelve overall pick up to number three overall with the
Speaker 1: Miami Dolphins. They send away their number twelve pick, a
Speaker 1: third round in third rounder in twenty twenty two, a
Speaker 1: first rounder in twenty twenty two, and a first rounder
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty three. So wild that is all going on.
Speaker 1: Twitter is just like I talked about today, being like
Speaker 1: I said, a blaze. No, Like, Twitter was just absolutely
Speaker 1: on fire on Friday. And then while all of that
Speaker 1: is going on, twenty minutes later it is announced that Miami,
Speaker 1: who just moved back from number three overall to number
Speaker 1: twelve overall, has moved up to number six overall, and
Speaker 1: the Philadelphia Eagles moved back to number twelve. So, man,
Speaker 1: just gut reaction, what was that experience for you? Like
Speaker 1: on Friday, it was crazy for me to just see
Speaker 1: this all going on because we love the draft. We
Speaker 1: obviously we're talking about these guys from a dynasty perspective,
Speaker 1: just having so much fun with the incoming rookie talk.
Speaker 1: This shook up everything, Like all the mock drafts that
Speaker 1: we've done, everything just completely turned on its head. So
Speaker 1: what was your gut reaction here knowing and hearing that trade. Well, first,
Speaker 1: it was kind of confusing because I was at work
Speaker 1: and I saw one trade happen, and then, like you said,
Speaker 1: literally a few minutes later, there was another one. So
Speaker 1: I was like super confused over what really happened. There
Speaker 1: was a point in time where I still thought Miami
Speaker 1: like the six pick or the third pick. I didn't
Speaker 1: know what was going on. But initial reaction was bad
Speaker 1: for Jimmy Garoppolo, great for Jalen Hurts. Who knows what's
Speaker 1: going to happen with the Dolphins. It looks like too
Speaker 1: a secure word and I think the immediate reaction for
Speaker 1: myself and a lot of people is who are the
Speaker 1: forty nine ers going to take at three? Because we
Speaker 1: know they're going to take a quarterback. You don't make
Speaker 1: that move up for anything else other than quarterback. So
Speaker 1: now it's time to do the mental gymnastics to try
Speaker 1: to guess and project who's going to land in this
Speaker 1: Kyle Shanahan offense and Yates Listen, brother, I saw some
Speaker 1: tweets you tweeted out. I think it was something along
Speaker 1: the effects of how you know the world would burn?
Speaker 1: Like how much would the world burn if San Francisco
Speaker 1: moved up to get mac Jones? And you know, as
Speaker 1: the days go on, I don't know what they're gonna do.
Speaker 1: I have no clue. I wouldn't even want to guess,
Speaker 1: but I say I wouldn't rule out mac Jones at three.
Speaker 1: I believe it's between him or Trey Lance. And you know,
Speaker 1: stock up for both of those quarterbacks if they land
Speaker 1: in San Francisco, regardless of how you feel about either player. Well,
Speaker 1: this is just a ton of fun because this is
Speaker 1: literally like our two guys that we have like planted
Speaker 1: our flags on and kind of like build built our
Speaker 1: brand around really you know it is Trey Lands. I've
Speaker 1: been obviously very vocal about my support and how much
Speaker 1: I think that his long term projection in the NFL
Speaker 1: is just you know, off the charts and you have
Speaker 1: stood by Mac Jones, You're this entire offseason and like
Speaker 1: and so it's just it's so much fun to see it,
Speaker 1: really is. It's gonna come down to Trevor Lawrence going
Speaker 1: number one overall. We like lock that in, we know
Speaker 1: it ye, and then number two overall it's looking like
Speaker 1: that Zach Wilson. The further that we get into the
Speaker 1: pre draft process, it's looking like it's Zach Wilson. So
Speaker 1: now the draft starts at number three overall and it's
Speaker 1: all going to come down to who does San Francisco
Speaker 1: take at quarterback there? So it is gonna be really interesting.
Speaker 1: Is it gonna be Mac Jones, Is it gonna be
Speaker 1: your guy? Is it gonna be Tredy Lance? And it's
Speaker 1: not like you don't you know, like Trey Land, like
Speaker 1: you think that he's gonna be really good, And I
Speaker 1: think mac Jones can be really good if he's in
Speaker 1: the right system. Put him in with Kyle Shanahan. Yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 1: so it is going to be super interesting, interesting to
Speaker 1: see And I'm glad that you mentioned Jimmy Garoppolo. You know,
Speaker 1: if you were holding on to him in a super
Speaker 1: flex dynasty league like that, he might start again this
Speaker 1: upcoming season, but he's got his injury history to be
Speaker 1: concerned about. I think this is a stockdown situation, but
Speaker 1: I am really excited for the receiving options here in
Speaker 1: San Francisco, right because you when Jimmy Garoppolo has been healthy,
Speaker 1: they've been great, but he has been in and out
Speaker 1: of the lineup. You've been rolling the dice with Nick
Speaker 1: Mullins and CJ. Beth, Like, can we talk about what
Speaker 1: this offense will look like if it is Mac Jones
Speaker 1: or Trey Lance regardless, and what George K Kittle is
Speaker 1: about to do? Like, I just can't even wait to
Speaker 1: see what this offense looks like next season with the
Speaker 1: guy that Kyle Shanahan wants, right, the guy that he
Speaker 1: made this move to go get so really really excited
Speaker 1: about that. Anything else to add with the trade and
Speaker 1: just how much it changed the NFL Draft before we're
Speaker 1: moving into the conversation, Yeah, I think two things that
Speaker 1: we have to hit on really quickly. One is every
Speaker 1: NFL draft mock that I saw had the Philadelphia Eagles
Speaker 1: either selecting Jamar Chase or Kyle Pitts at six. We
Speaker 1: know that's you know, that's not gonna happen anymore. They're
Speaker 1: not picking at six. So what are your thoughts on
Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts. I think he's pretty secure for twenty twenty one.
Speaker 1: And then what are your thoughts on two of because
Speaker 1: it seems like that Dolphins are content on taking I
Speaker 1: guess whatever wide receiver falls to them at twelve now,
Speaker 1: So just quick thoughts on two's dynasty value and Jalen Hurts. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: So let's talk about Jalen Hurts really quick. First. I
Speaker 1: had been saying that if the Philadelphia Eagles are there
Speaker 1: at number six overall and you have a quarterback with
Speaker 1: the talent of a Justin Fields or if Trey Lance
Speaker 1: is still there or whatever, that quarterback was definitely not
Speaker 1: off the table. Like I thought that they were absolutely
Speaker 1: going to consider that because Jalen Hurts, for everything that
Speaker 1: he showed last year, still has several steps to take
Speaker 1: before we consider him to be a locked in. Like
Speaker 1: we're not considering touching the quarterback position or whatsoever or
Speaker 1: anything like that. So this moved down. You were moving
Speaker 1: out of the range where you know you mentioned Kyle Pitts,
Speaker 1: Jamar Chase. They're most likely going to be off the board.
Speaker 1: Jalen Waddle might still be there, DeVante Smith might still
Speaker 1: be there, but how well did they pair with the
Speaker 1: receiving cord that you've got already. So this allows Philadelphia
Speaker 1: to move down the accumulate an extra first round pick
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty two. If Carson Wentz ends up starting
Speaker 1: more than I forget the like he is, if he
Speaker 1: turns out to be the quarterback that Indianapolis wants him
Speaker 1: to be, that second round pick that Indianapolis sent in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty two becomes a first round pick. So now
Speaker 1: you have potentially three first round picks next year for Philadelphia.
Speaker 1: I think Jalen Hurts is locked in this season. He's
Speaker 1: locked in as a starter. He's going to get every
Speaker 1: single opportunity that he can. It's up to him to
Speaker 1: see what he can do. Now from a fantasy football perspective, absolutely,
Speaker 1: because of his rushing ability. Even if this offense stinks
Speaker 1: and it you know, isn't great, doesn't matter for him
Speaker 1: because he's still going to be able to run the
Speaker 1: ball and pick up those easy, those easy rushing yards.
Speaker 1: So absolutely, with Jalen Hurts, I think that this is
Speaker 1: good news for the short term for next year. I
Speaker 1: don't know, I you know, I'm not ready to make
Speaker 1: that claim yet and say that, yes, Jalen Hurts is
Speaker 1: going to be the starter, guaranteed starter in twenty twenty two.
Speaker 1: I'm not just going to go out and make that
Speaker 1: claim yet. So as far as two of though, this
Speaker 1: is really good news for him. Then moving down to twelve,
Speaker 1: which still put them in the range of a Jalen
Speaker 1: Waddle Davante Smith the receiving option, then moving back up
Speaker 1: to six, this guarantees that they are at least putting
Speaker 1: themselves in position to add a top tier playmaker. So
Speaker 1: whether that is Kyle Pitts, if they want to upgrade
Speaker 1: over Mike Kasiki, that is Jamar Chase and they want
Speaker 1: to play him in the slot alongside Davante Parker and
Speaker 1: Will Fuller. Regardless, they seem to be building around two
Speaker 1: a tongue of Valoa and moving forward. Now, I will
Speaker 1: ask you this question and then let's get to the
Speaker 1: running backs with them moving back up to number six overall,
Speaker 1: that takes them I think out of the conversation. You know,
Speaker 1: we said Trevor Lawrence one, Zach Wilson two, and then
Speaker 1: Trey Lance mac Jones, whichever one, maybe even justin fields
Speaker 1: there at number three overall, do you think that Miami
Speaker 1: is still putting themselves in a position to take a
Speaker 1: quarterback if one is still sitting there, or do you
Speaker 1: think that is just completely off the table. They're moving
Speaker 1: forward with two? Yeah, I think I think it's I
Speaker 1: think they're moving forward. I don't believe they would have
Speaker 1: traded out of that three spot. I think they're I
Speaker 1: think they're smart. I think what Miami has done, I
Speaker 1: think they know that the guy that they probably would
Speaker 1: have targeted at three is going to fall to them,
Speaker 1: or is going to have a really good chance to
Speaker 1: fall to them at six. So I just think the
Speaker 1: Dolphins are out there playing chess while the rest of
Speaker 1: the league is playing checkers with their acquisition pick acquisition
Speaker 1: moves that they've made. Yeah, and this is a really
Speaker 1: deep wide receiver class. Will of course get to that
Speaker 1: in a later episode, but really deep wide receiver class.
Speaker 1: So even if they don't take one of those guys
Speaker 1: they're at number six overall or eighteen, they still have
Speaker 1: a couple of second round picks or whatever that they
Speaker 1: can add one of those playmakers to go alongside Like
Speaker 1: I mentioned DeVante Parker and Will Fuller, so heading into
Speaker 1: next season, so stock up for two, I do believe. So.
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Speaker 1: All right, let's talk about the running back. Of course,
Speaker 1: if you have missed episode one, please go back that
Speaker 1: you know, the one that we did this past week.
Speaker 1: Please go back and listen to that one where we
Speaker 1: break it down in superlative form. We're talking about these
Speaker 1: players and given our answers here, let's continue that conversation
Speaker 1: here and let's talk about our toughest evaluation. So, of
Speaker 1: course we talked about like guys that have the highest ceiling,
Speaker 1: lowest floor on the previous episode, but this one, let's
Speaker 1: talk about our toughest evaluation from a scouting perspective. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna let you go first here. Who is a player
Speaker 1: that you just as you watched and we were like,
Speaker 1: I just don't know what to do with this player.
Speaker 1: I think that they can be really good, but yet
Speaker 1: they've also got this or We've been taken at a
Speaker 1: different angle, Right, what toughest evaluation? Where are you going here? Yeah?
Speaker 1: For me, it's it's Dmitric Felton, the running back wide
Speaker 1: receiver hybrid out of UCLA. As a West Coast guy
Speaker 1: watch a lot of Pac twelve football. I'm biased towards
Speaker 1: the West Coast Pac twelve teams, so I've got to
Speaker 1: got a chance to see the Metric Felton quite a
Speaker 1: bit over the past three years, and it's it's difficult
Speaker 1: to project him. A he's a smaller running back. He's
Speaker 1: five foot eight, one hundred and ninety five pounds something
Speaker 1: like that, and he's not really a running back and
Speaker 1: he's not a wide receiver. I think he would be
Speaker 1: best utilized in a slot wide receiver running back role,
Speaker 1: but those that specialty position is so incredibly difficult to
Speaker 1: value for fantasy football purposes because he's not going to
Speaker 1: be a feature back ever in the NFL. He's not
Speaker 1: going to be a featured receiver ever in the NFL.
Speaker 1: He's just he's He's one of those players that I enjoy.
Speaker 1: Like if you turn on the Metric Felton's tape, you're excited.
Speaker 1: You see a player, But he's somebody that I just
Speaker 1: I don't think he's ever going to be what we
Speaker 1: want him to be for fantasy. He's going to be
Speaker 1: excellent for an NFL team, but he's not James White,
Speaker 1: he's not Darren Sproles, he's not even Boston Scott because
Speaker 1: he can't play running back that way. Even at the
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl they were using him at slot wide receiver.
Speaker 1: So Demetric Felton for me was a very very tough
Speaker 1: grade because the talent is there, but the fit in
Speaker 1: the situation too many things have to align perfectly for
Speaker 1: Demitric Felton to be a fantasy asset. That is, yeah,
Speaker 1: completely in line with what I am thinking here as
Speaker 1: far as Demitric Felton and saying that you know he
Speaker 1: can be a valuable asset for an NFL team, Like,
Speaker 1: it was difficult for me to scout him too, Like
Speaker 1: do I scout him with the running back traits because
Speaker 1: there's really not a ton of evidence there, or do
Speaker 1: I scout him based on receiver criteria and then okay,
Speaker 1: well he's still get in the It was a really
Speaker 1: difficult evaluation for me too. So I think, yes, he
Speaker 1: can provide value for an NFL roster. But yet, I'm
Speaker 1: glad that you mentioned it because from a fantasy perspective,
Speaker 1: he's one of those guys that is a jack of
Speaker 1: all trades, master of none, right, Like, he is just
Speaker 1: solid across the board, but yet doesn't have that one
Speaker 1: trait that we can lean back on and say, like,
Speaker 1: this is how he's going to win in the NFL,
Speaker 1: this is his role, this is locked in, this is
Speaker 1: what a team is going to draft him for. So
Speaker 1: I don't think that the draft capital is going to
Speaker 1: be there. I don't think that you know, it's going
Speaker 1: to be enough to warrant fantasy consideration. He's a talented
Speaker 1: player based on Senior Bowl tape and things like that,
Speaker 1: look like he was doing a great job at wide receiver,
Speaker 1: but yet I just don't know how an NFL team
Speaker 1: is going to view him or how they're going to
Speaker 1: choose to utilize him, and I don't know if it's
Speaker 1: going to be enough to be fantasy viable. So I
Speaker 1: agree with that one. For me, it's Jamar Jefferson running
Speaker 1: back out of Oregon State. Really really talented running back
Speaker 1: when you put on the tape, like has all the
Speaker 1: traits that you want as far as explosive play waiting
Speaker 1: to happen, great vision in between the tackles, lateral mobility,
Speaker 1: all the things that I really really look for in
Speaker 1: a running back. But yet when watching he's listed at
Speaker 1: two eleven. Off the top of my head, I can
Speaker 1: look that up in just a second, but listen, two
Speaker 1: eleven in that range two fifteen. Yet five ten two
Speaker 1: eleven is his listed weight. He looked slighter than that
Speaker 1: to me on tape, and so now I'm wondering, Okay,
Speaker 1: does he have the size to be a workhorse back
Speaker 1: or is he now going to be relegated to a
Speaker 1: change of pace role in the NFL. Well, then looking
Speaker 1: at his pass catching capabilities and grading him for that,
Speaker 1: he didn't grade out very highly for me, so a
Speaker 1: few drops on tape. Didn't look natural receiving, not great
Speaker 1: in pass protection as well. So now it is it's
Speaker 1: just a matter of if he comes in. This is
Speaker 1: the big thing, and the pro day for Oregon State
Speaker 1: is actually tomorrow. I believe I looked this up earlier.
Speaker 1: I believe it's tomorrow, so you might actually have the
Speaker 1: measurements on him and the testing numbers for Jamar Jefferson.
Speaker 1: But if he comes in at two fifteen, two seventeen, whatever,
Speaker 1: runs in the four fours, great sign me up. Like
Speaker 1: I think that he can absolutely make an impact, but
Speaker 1: based on the tape that I watched, I didn't think
Speaker 1: that he had that. So even if he does wait
Speaker 1: in a little bit more to get the NFL size
Speaker 1: at the running back position, but he runs in the
Speaker 1: four fives, maybe like the low four fives, that's gonna
Speaker 1: be enough to make me kind of like, it's just
Speaker 1: gonna create more questions. So I see the talent with
Speaker 1: Jamar Jefferson, but now it is just a question of
Speaker 1: does he fit the role that I think he's going
Speaker 1: to be relegated to in the NFL. What are your
Speaker 1: thoughts here with Jamar Jefferson? Are you a fan? Do
Speaker 1: you have the same kind of concerns that I do? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think your concerns are valid. I may be a
Speaker 1: little more bullish on him than you are. I have him.
Speaker 1: Well we'll get to that. I'm a little more bullish
Speaker 1: than you are. But I think the thing with Jefferson is,
Speaker 1: and I can't state this enough, and I know people
Speaker 1: like you Yate, you guys put in the work, you
Speaker 1: go back and you dig up tape and you scout him.
Speaker 1: But for the general public, nobody is watching Oregon State
Speaker 1: versus Cow at one am, Like no one's watching those games.
Speaker 1: So most people in Organ State doesn't get primetime games.
Speaker 1: So most people outside of the Oregon Organ State game,
Speaker 1: you've never seen this kid play what he was able to.
Speaker 1: I'm banking on what he did as a true freshman
Speaker 1: and just trying to scout with anticipation that if he
Speaker 1: checks in with some speed, if he gets the draft capitol,
Speaker 1: maybe he can be that thirteen hundred yard twenty plus
Speaker 1: reception running back that I saw as a true freshman.
Speaker 1: So with Jefferson and honestly, yeah, it's with a lot
Speaker 1: of these running backs. I heard this term over the
Speaker 1: weekend that I just absolutely love. You have to scout
Speaker 1: with some sort of anticipation with these guys. So there
Speaker 1: are a ton of concerns, and ultimately, what I think
Speaker 1: it boils down to is where does he get drafted
Speaker 1: and win If you're if he gets picked in the
Speaker 1: fifth round, all bets are off. If he's a Day
Speaker 1: two pick, then that gives me a little more confidence
Speaker 1: in what he could be at the next level right now,
Speaker 1: if you're asking me Ray life on the line, is
Speaker 1: he a Day two guy or Day three guy, I
Speaker 1: would have no clue. I just I don't know where
Speaker 1: he gets drafted, no kind of no idea. So we'll
Speaker 1: find out more after the Pro day. Yeah, with a
Speaker 1: lot of these guys, it really is just gonna I
Speaker 1: mentioned it on the last one on the last podcast
Speaker 1: that it is going to come down to the landing
Speaker 1: spot for a lot of these guys that you get
Speaker 1: past the main the main group, the ones that we
Speaker 1: talk about regularly. You get past that grouping and you
Speaker 1: just go, I have no idea. I have no idea
Speaker 1: where these players are going to land because they're all
Speaker 1: kind of grouped together. And that's reflected in my grading system.
Speaker 1: If you change one little you know, grade here as
Speaker 1: far as give pass catching, you give them just two
Speaker 1: ticks up, they're going to jump over like five or
Speaker 1: six guys just based on the average and how I
Speaker 1: grade is that they're all clumped together. So yeah, Jamar
Speaker 1: Jefferson though, was a tough evaluation for me because I
Speaker 1: can see the potential, I can see the highlights, I
Speaker 1: can see the path for him to have relevancy for
Speaker 1: fantasy football. But yet I just don't know what he's
Speaker 1: going to wait in and what you know, what his
Speaker 1: testing numbers are going to be. So all right, let's
Speaker 1: move on to our favorite Day three running back. So
Speaker 1: these are the guys that we know that they were
Speaker 1: going on Day three. You know, we don't have to
Speaker 1: question it. You've got a really interesting name here that
Speaker 1: I wanted to talk about, and I'm glad that you're
Speaker 1: bringing them up. Who's your guy here for favorite Day
Speaker 1: three running back? Yeah, a guy that I'll talk about
Speaker 1: coming into the college football season. That's Michigan's running back
Speaker 1: Chris Evans and Yates. I lied to you. I said
Speaker 1: you had to go back to twenty seventeen. I mean,
Speaker 1: you really have to go back to twenty sixteen in
Speaker 1: order the portal to pool tape on Chris Evans. So,
Speaker 1: for those of you who don't know, Michigan is like
Speaker 1: an abyss for all talented prospects. That's where prospects go
Speaker 1: to just flame out. Okay, is the University of Michigan.
Speaker 1: And I'm not sorry Michigan fans who are listening to
Speaker 1: show you guys know either sick when Harbaugh signed that deal.
Speaker 1: But Evans two seasons true freshman season over six hundred
Speaker 1: yards cool, sophomore season over six hundred yards cool. Twenty
Speaker 1: nineteen was twenty eighteen, didn't do anything, was suspended in
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen for academic issues. Comes back in twenty twenty.
Speaker 1: It's supposed to be his redemption tour, and he gets
Speaker 1: fifteen carries and a few receptions, so literally he's been
Speaker 1: in college for like five years. We have limited film
Speaker 1: on him. And he goes to the Senior Bowl, which
Speaker 1: is a good thing to get an invite from the
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl, and he was okay, but then his pro
Speaker 1: day happens and he measures in at five foot eleven,
Speaker 1: over two hundred and ten pounds, running a four to
Speaker 1: four to forty yard dash, jumping high jumping, for having
Speaker 1: quick lateral agility drills. He's just one of these players
Speaker 1: where I believe he's going to get drafted on Day
Speaker 1: three and he's going to make a roster and that
Speaker 1: is like sixty percent of the battle is making the
Speaker 1: roster and being active on game days. He's just a
Speaker 1: very talented player that if a lot of stars aligned,
Speaker 1: Chris Evans could have some fantasy potential down the line.
Speaker 1: But here's the thing. The difference between a player like
Speaker 1: Chris Evans and you know, taking somebody in the second
Speaker 1: round that's the project is Evans isn't going to cost
Speaker 1: you much as far as Rickie draft capital. You're getting
Speaker 1: him the last pick in the fourth round and potentially
Speaker 1: off of free agent waivers. So he's one of He
Speaker 1: is my favorite Day three running back in this class.
Speaker 1: We were talking before we started recording that, you know Evans,
Speaker 1: I had him on my list of players, you know,
Speaker 1: just to go down and scout, and I didn't. I
Speaker 1: couldn't find tape on Chris Evans. And then I looked
Speaker 1: at his stats and I was like, well, even if
Speaker 1: I do find tape, it's going to be pointless because
Speaker 1: this is kind of like there's not enough of a
Speaker 1: sample size, Like he just was not utilized at all.
Speaker 1: In Michigan. You had that that rotational backfield with so
Speaker 1: many other guys that are really talented, but yet at
Speaker 1: the same time rotating them in and out just didn't
Speaker 1: give enough here for scouting. Now from a you know,
Speaker 1: athleticism perspective, you mentioned it four fours, like the only
Speaker 1: two running backs so far that I've run in the
Speaker 1: four fours or travisy TN and Chris Evans off the
Speaker 1: top of my head, so on aside and Kenneth Gainwell.
Speaker 1: So like Chris Evans is in good company. He has
Speaker 1: the athleticism to make it count. But now I just
Speaker 1: don't like he's gonna have to cling to a last
Speaker 1: spot on a you know, NFL roster and try to
Speaker 1: work his way up from there. So this is a
Speaker 1: deep league dynasty call. This is like again you mentioned it,
Speaker 1: last pick of your fourth round, get him on your
Speaker 1: rosters and just kind of hold onto him and see
Speaker 1: or a taxi squad, like just see what he can do,
Speaker 1: because he does have the talent, but yet it just
Speaker 1: was not utilized. I'm gonna go with Kylan Hill. We
Speaker 1: talked about him on the last episode. This is my
Speaker 1: favorite Day three running back. I think that he could
Speaker 1: potentially push for late Day two, but I do think
Speaker 1: at the end of the day he's going to be
Speaker 1: a Day three running back Mississippi State. Just a well rounded,
Speaker 1: well running back, you know, great receiver out of the backfield,
Speaker 1: but yet does have the ability to carry the ball.
Speaker 1: And so I think that he could carve out a
Speaker 1: role for himself as a receiver, as a kind of
Speaker 1: third down back. He's excellent and pass protection as well,
Speaker 1: so could cover out a role for himself in that
Speaker 1: way and then eventually turn into something else down the road.
Speaker 1: So I'm just really interested to see where Kylan Hill
Speaker 1: ends up because he's got the athleticism, it's all there.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I want to see if he can take
Speaker 1: it to the next level and just what his landing
Speaker 1: spot ends up being. He's and we'll get to him
Speaker 1: in a second, but he's pretty high up in my ranking.
Speaker 1: So let's go with our guy. This is our guide,
Speaker 1: Like we are just planting our flag on and we
Speaker 1: are saying that regardless, this is the guy that we
Speaker 1: were going to stand on the table for at the
Speaker 1: running back position. We're going to say, draft this guy
Speaker 1: no matter what. Just you know, whatever his ADP is,
Speaker 1: you know, you just pull the trigger when you're on
Speaker 1: in that range. Who is your guy? You know, you've
Speaker 1: been hyping up Naji Harris for it seems like three
Speaker 1: years now, like, but Naji is going you know, he's
Speaker 1: the consensus RB one. So yeah, but you know, I'll
Speaker 1: give you that one. You've got that one. He's your guy,
Speaker 1: but yet outside of that, who is your guy in
Speaker 1: this class that you want to stand on the table for. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I believe it was actually on this show. I
Speaker 1: know it's been on other shows, but I believe it
Speaker 1: was this show where I said the twenty twenty one
Speaker 1: version of James Robinson would be this player. I'm almost
Speaker 1: positive I said that on this show. And it's Elijah Mitchell,
Speaker 1: the running back out of Louisiana, who just had a
Speaker 1: hell of a day at his pro day. And normally
Speaker 1: I try not to let pro day time skew my
Speaker 1: opinion of a player, you know, one way or the other.
Speaker 1: But his pro day was shocking. I mean I did
Speaker 1: not And Yates, I'm pretty sure you're on the same
Speaker 1: camp as me. I did not expect four to three
Speaker 1: forty yard dash time out of Elijah Mitchell. He dropped weight,
Speaker 1: he was fast, and it wasn't just in a straight line.
Speaker 1: His lateral quickness like his testing Jos with like three
Speaker 1: cones insane. And you're talking about a player who shared
Speaker 1: a backfield with another talented running back. You know, he's
Speaker 1: got great production. He can catch the ball of the
Speaker 1: backfield he's you know, he's got decent size. You know,
Speaker 1: you would like to see him add a couple of
Speaker 1: pounds if he's going to be a true banger. But
Speaker 1: he's a player that I promise you I will not
Speaker 1: leave Ricky Drafts without Elijah Mitchell, somebody I've been talking
Speaker 1: about for months on and and I'm glad today he
Speaker 1: has the spotlight to himself because he's he's a heck
Speaker 1: of a player. Yeah. I wanted to talk about Elijah
Speaker 1: Mitchell because this is really interesting scouting him. He was
Speaker 1: listed at two hundred and seventeen pounds, so you go
Speaker 1: in with that in mind, and just from a scout,
Speaker 1: let's touch on this really quick. Just from a scouting perspective,
Speaker 1: scouting someone who is listed at the running back position
Speaker 1: at two hundred pounds is going to be different in
Speaker 1: how you scout someone who's two hundred and twenty pounds
Speaker 1: plus right or two hundred and thirty right, Like their
Speaker 1: burst is going to be different just based on the
Speaker 1: amount of weight that they're carrying. So scouting Elijah Mitchell
Speaker 1: at two hundred and seventeen pounds, I thought that he
Speaker 1: was good, Like I thought that he had good power,
Speaker 1: to his game. He wasn't the most flashiest of the
Speaker 1: player of players, but yet thrived in a downhill running
Speaker 1: scheme like just got what was there again? Kind of
Speaker 1: like James Robinson is just picking up the yards. That's there?
Speaker 1: Really smart, excellent pass catcher out of the backfield. I
Speaker 1: thought that it was all there. He was a little
Speaker 1: bit further down to my rankings, and then now you
Speaker 1: have the Pro Day and it gets down to two
Speaker 1: hundred and one pounds, runs a four three eight, which
Speaker 1: is just crazy. I think the three cone drill was
Speaker 1: six eight six off the top off the top of
Speaker 1: my head, which is just really good for running back.
Speaker 1: So he's cut down now. But now I have the
Speaker 1: concerns of is that enough to be a true workhorse
Speaker 1: back two hundred and seventeen pounds. Yes, you have enough
Speaker 1: weight and you know, size and girth just to be
Speaker 1: able to handle that workload. But yet now here at
Speaker 1: two hundred and one pounds, are you going to be
Speaker 1: a change of pace back? Now? Are you going to
Speaker 1: be a third down? Because that's not what we have
Speaker 1: on tape. That's not what your tape indicated. So I'm
Speaker 1: just really interested to see now, like what was the
Speaker 1: strategy with his whether that was his agent or his
Speaker 1: train or whoever he was training, Like, what was the
Speaker 1: strategy behind it? Did he not get the NFL grade
Speaker 1: like the grade that he wanted, and so now he's
Speaker 1: trying to change is there's just a ton there? But
Speaker 1: yet regardless, he is a really really talented prospect for me,
Speaker 1: that is Kenneth Gainwell. As far as my guy that
Speaker 1: I'm going to stand on the table for, gain Well,
Speaker 1: it's been a while since we've seen him. There is
Speaker 1: not a huge you know, workload or sample size to
Speaker 1: go off here, but gained Well just is a solid player.
Speaker 1: I love watching him, a really really talented receiver. We
Speaker 1: talked about him a lot on the last episode, so
Speaker 1: I don't want to go in depth there. But as
Speaker 1: far as my guy at the running back position that
Speaker 1: I'm going to stand on the table for, that is
Speaker 1: Kenneth Gainwell. I'll probably have him in every Dynasty leaga
Speaker 1: that can. Of course, everyone who I play in Dynasty
Speaker 1: leagues listens to this podcast, so I will definitely have
Speaker 1: no shares of kennethan Well because I'm gonna get sniped
Speaker 1: every freaking where. Okay, let's go with a player that
Speaker 1: kind of the opposite one of this, like a player
Speaker 1: that we are unlikely to have on any of our
Speaker 1: Dynasty rosters. And there are a few ways that we
Speaker 1: can take this, but yet a player that we are
Speaker 1: just unlikely to have with that is because of their
Speaker 1: ADP or just because we don't like the player. But
Speaker 1: I'll let you go first here and walk me through
Speaker 1: your player that you are quote unquote avoiding in Dynasty
Speaker 1: rookie drafts this year. Yeah, and it's a player that
Speaker 1: I tried very hard to get into and fall in
Speaker 1: love with this player and boost them up. And there
Speaker 1: was a time where I had him a lot higher,
Speaker 1: but it's it's tray sermon for me. I'm just not there.
Speaker 1: I know he had just an absolute tear of a
Speaker 1: three game stretch over one hundred yards, over three hundred
Speaker 1: rushing yards, and then almost two hundred yards versus Clemson.
Speaker 1: But outside of that, I just I saw just a
Speaker 1: guy his entire career, he could never seize a hold
Speaker 1: of a backfield. He couldn't beat out Kennedy Brooks at Oklahoma.
Speaker 1: He transfers to Ohio State. I understand he was dealing
Speaker 1: with an acl injury, but he couldn't beat out Master
Speaker 1: Futigue and Steal Chambers at the beginning of the season.
Speaker 1: It's just I think he's just a guy. He's a guy,
Speaker 1: but people love him and he went to Ohio State,
Speaker 1: so therefore he's probably gonna get drafted in a range
Speaker 1: where I won't even be thinking about taking Trey Sermon.
Speaker 1: I just he's a player that I'm just I'm not feeling.
Speaker 1: I don't I see just a guy at the next level,
Speaker 1: and for fantasy, he's the type of player where you
Speaker 1: have to have an injury or two in front of
Speaker 1: him in order for him to be fantasy relevant. I
Speaker 1: just I don't think. I'm just not there with with
Speaker 1: Trey Sermon. It's crazy because that was the same name
Speaker 1: I was gonna bring up. I mean, I don't see
Speaker 1: it now. I see that he can be a valuable
Speaker 1: depth piece for an NFL backfield. I see that. You
Speaker 1: know you mentioned if the running the starter goes down
Speaker 1: in front of him, like, I get that, where he
Speaker 1: can step in and he can contribute. But yet the
Speaker 1: traits are not there to indicate that he is going
Speaker 1: to be a long term NFL starter, right, And that's
Speaker 1: what we're looking for or that he could potentially translate
Speaker 1: or transition into that. Like, I just don't see that
Speaker 1: happening with the traits there. And again we have a
Speaker 1: little bit of an extended background and scouting Trey Sermon
Speaker 1: because I did scout him. I thought that he was
Speaker 1: going to come out last year, so ended up scouting him,
Speaker 1: had him really really low on my rankings there. And
Speaker 1: I think the last one that I had on my
Speaker 1: list out of like sixteen or seventeen guys that I
Speaker 1: scouted last year was Kennedy Brooks, and then I think
Speaker 1: right above him was Trey Sermon. So I was not
Speaker 1: a big fan of him. Then, Yes, he was extremely
Speaker 1: productive in that stretch. You know, him going out in
Speaker 1: that college football playoff game that doesn't happen. What's the
Speaker 1: outcome of that game? What's that different? But I just
Speaker 1: don't see it there. I just don't see it translating
Speaker 1: to a viable NFL starter. And for fantasy purposes, I
Speaker 1: don't see it either. So unlikely to have any shares
Speaker 1: of Trey Sermon. He's outside my top ten running backs
Speaker 1: in this class. So let's transition into that. Man, Let's
Speaker 1: just go here let's go ten through six and we'll
Speaker 1: each go. I'll let you go first, and we'll just
Speaker 1: do our countdown of our top ten running backs for
Speaker 1: the twenty twenty one NFL Draft, and we'll put a
Speaker 1: bow on this discussion, alright. At ten, I have Jabon Hawkins,
Speaker 1: the running back out of Louisville, at nine, Kylan Hill
Speaker 1: at eight, Michael Carter at seven, Elijah Mitchell, and at
Speaker 1: six I have Jamar Jefferson, Okay for me. At ten,
Speaker 1: I have Tuba Hubbard. At nine, I have Khalil Herbert
Speaker 1: out of Virginia Tech. At eight, I have Larry Rowntree,
Speaker 1: the third out of Missouri. At seven, I have Romandri Stevenson,
Speaker 1: the running back out of Oklahoma. And then six I
Speaker 1: have Kylan Hill out of Mississippi State. All right, let's
Speaker 1: go five through one there and then we can we
Speaker 1: can each just throw out one name. Yeah, at five,
Speaker 1: Tuba Hubbard at four, gag Well three, Traves e Tn
Speaker 1: for now, Javonte Williams prone, wasn't that good? Javanta yet two?
Speaker 1: And Naji at one. For me, I've got Michael Carter
Speaker 1: at five. I've got Kenneth gang Well at four and
Speaker 1: then et n at three, Javonte Williams at two, and
Speaker 1: then Naji Harris at one. So I'll let's do this.
Speaker 1: Let's call out segment here. I don't have a good
Speaker 1: name for it. I'll just say, let's call out segment.
Speaker 1: What is a player? And I needed to think ahead,
Speaker 1: apparently because I'm not good at coming up with segment
Speaker 1: names all the time. My head, Uh, let's go with
Speaker 1: a player that based on my rankings that you want
Speaker 1: to call me out and just say, like, what are
Speaker 1: you thinking? Dude? What are you thinking having this player here?
Speaker 1: Oh it's Rumandre Stevenson at seven? What are you doing?
Speaker 1: I listened, listen, and I say this with all due respect.
Speaker 1: You put in the work, and I want everybody to
Speaker 1: see me and hear me. You put in the work,
Speaker 1: and I respect your rankings. That doesn't mean I agree,
Speaker 1: but I respect it because I know you put in
Speaker 1: the work, and every body listening or watching he puts
Speaker 1: in the work. I put in the work. So you
Speaker 1: having these players where you have them, I mean, you've
Speaker 1: got like four guys and I don't know even have
Speaker 1: in my top ten, but you put in the work.
Speaker 1: So the only one that I'm just gonna say, what
Speaker 1: what what what are you doing? Yeah, it's Ramadre Stevenson,
Speaker 1: but you knew that was coming. What about me? Man?
Speaker 1: What about me? What about my rankings? Were you just
Speaker 1: like whoa? I think the tuba all the way up
Speaker 1: at what did you have him at? Five? Five? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: So based on twenty twenty tape, I'd say that he
Speaker 1: has no business being anywhere near your top five. If
Speaker 1: you are taking into account the overall some of his
Speaker 1: collegiate career, then yeah, I can see that. But yet
Speaker 1: I still think that that's pretty rich for a player
Speaker 1: who I had questions like going into twenty twenty. Regardless
Speaker 1: he didn't grade out like I did grade him based
Speaker 1: on you know, because again I thought he was going
Speaker 1: to come out last year, and so I graded him.
Speaker 1: He didn't come anywhere near the other guys in this class,
Speaker 1: with that class, with DeAndre Swift and Jonathan Taylor and
Speaker 1: Cam Akers and all that, and so I mean five, man,
Speaker 1: that's bold. I think for me, I was still like
Speaker 1: I moved to be Hubbard up even before this discussion
Speaker 1: two ten, because I was like, I need, I need
Speaker 1: to at least get him in this range. But based
Speaker 1: on my grade, he's nowhere near my top ten. So
Speaker 1: give me just the say at the elevator pitch here
Speaker 1: on Chewbahubbard and why you are so confident to have
Speaker 1: him at five. Obviously things these and let me just
Speaker 1: say this really quick, these rankings will shift. They will change,
Speaker 1: like guaranteed with landing spots and everything like that. We're
Speaker 1: gonna get the clarity you've heard us talk about landing
Speaker 1: spot and outside of the top five. So much can
Speaker 1: change a guy that I have, Like reminder, Stevenson at seven,
Speaker 1: if he goes in the sixth round, guess what, I'm
Speaker 1: not going to have him at seven, you know, because
Speaker 1: he's just not going to be fantasy viable. So yeah,
Speaker 1: those will change. But give me the elevator pitch here
Speaker 1: on chewba Hubbard at five before we get out of here.
Speaker 1: Uh NFL teams are suckers for speed. He's going to
Speaker 1: test fast. I believe he's gonna come in with pretty
Speaker 1: good size. And what I'm banking on because he doesn't
Speaker 1: do anything really well outside of run fast. I'm banking
Speaker 1: on the NFL awordizing his speed. You don't you don't
Speaker 1: accidentally fall into two thousand rushing yards. So I'm just
Speaker 1: banking on the fact that he's going to get the
Speaker 1: draft capitol and utilize that one trait that he has
Speaker 1: and just that's what he's going to be as a
Speaker 1: speed guy north south and runner speed guy. That's I'm
Speaker 1: I'm projecting. I'm scouting with a lot of anticipation here,
Speaker 1: I understand, yeah for sure. All right, So I want
Speaker 1: to throw out one. Let's if you've got one, I'll
Speaker 1: let you. We didn't talk about this before, but if
Speaker 1: you've got one guy that just like, hey, keep this
Speaker 1: guy on your radar, Like heading Chris Evans would have
Speaker 1: been a perfect name for this, but like, if you've
Speaker 1: got another one, let me know. For me, I'm going
Speaker 1: to mention the name Jake Funk, running back out of Maryland.
Speaker 1: He was not someone who was on my radar radar
Speaker 1: until his pro day. And his pro day he lit
Speaker 1: it up a four point four three forty yard dash,
Speaker 1: a thirty eight inch vert at ten two broad jump,
Speaker 1: and twenty two reps of two hundred and twenty five
Speaker 1: pounds in the bench press. So he's someone who that
Speaker 1: taped doesn't necessarily indicate that he's like an overall like
Speaker 1: that he's gonna have like a significant role in the NFL.
Speaker 1: But he was the only player at the Maryland Pro
Speaker 1: Day and there were like twenty two teams in attendance,
Speaker 1: like it was just to see him. So the NFL
Speaker 1: has him a little bit higher on boards than apparently
Speaker 1: we do really solid and pass protection. I think that
Speaker 1: he can carve out a role for himself on special
Speaker 1: teams and work his way up. But he's someone that
Speaker 1: I just want to throw out there as kind of
Speaker 1: that sleeper, Like not many people who are talking about him,
Speaker 1: but let's just at least pay attention. Is there one
Speaker 1: guy that you want to mention or if not, that's
Speaker 1: perfectly fine. Yeah, I'll just throw the name out there.
Speaker 1: Stevie Scott out of Indiana, Scott the size, just Stevie Scott,
Speaker 1: just late round waiver wire, taxi squad stash Stevie Scott. Perfect.
Speaker 1: All right. That is going to do it for our
Speaker 1: running back discussion again. We did episode one here on
Speaker 1: this last week and now episode two here, we're going
Speaker 1: to keep that same format going. For the wide receivers here,
Speaker 1: we'll get to those next week. Thank you so much
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Speaker 1: been a ton of fun, man. I feel like you
Speaker 1: and I finally got to the point where we are
Speaker 1: calling each other out and having a little fun here.
Speaker 1: So again, really respect you in your work, A ton
Speaker 1: of fun being able to do this with you. So
Speaker 1: but I'm thankful that we're getting to the point where
Speaker 1: we can you can tell me, you can ask what
Speaker 1: the hell are you doing? So I love baby awesome man.
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