Speaker 1: What's going on? Everyone? Welcome into the Fantasy Pros Dynasty
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Speaker 1: Kyle Yateson. I am your host, and I'm joined as
Speaker 1: always by Ray Garvin. Ray, how are you doing tonight? Brother?
Speaker 1: Doing well? Man had some excited news proper off to day,
Speaker 1: and I'm excited for this next installment of our superlative
Speaker 1: rankings for the wide receiver positions. So excited. Man, I
Speaker 1: gotta I gotta work out after this. So I'm kind
Speaker 1: of kind I'm anty, I'm aunty to work out. Well.
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Speaker 1: Of course, the news broke today that Sam Darnold has
Speaker 1: been traded from the New York Jets to the Carolina Panthers.
Speaker 1: Now this deal actually got they got a little bit
Speaker 1: more than I was expecting, honestly for Sam Donold a
Speaker 1: sixth round pick in twenty twenty one, which, okay, not
Speaker 1: a whole lot, but then a second round pick and
Speaker 1: a fourth round pick in twenty twenty two. So let's
Speaker 1: break this down from a dynasty perspective. You're Ray, Let's
Speaker 1: talk about Sam Donald specifically here, and then I'll kind
Speaker 1: of tee these up and we'll just talk about the
Speaker 1: different aspects of this trade and everything that it hits. So,
Speaker 1: but let's talk about Sam Donald here specifically. What does
Speaker 1: this do for Sam Donald from a dynasty perspective for you?
Speaker 1: If anything? Yeah, I think it definitely gives Sam Donald life, right,
Speaker 1: It gives it gives Sam Donald managers a glimmer of
Speaker 1: hope to pair him with Matt Rule and Joe Brady,
Speaker 1: fantastic offensive coordinator from LSU win his second season. He'll
Speaker 1: be surrounded by the best supporting cast as far as
Speaker 1: weaponry that he's ever had. So from that standpoint, I
Speaker 1: think it spells it's good for Sam Darnold. The problem
Speaker 1: is Sam Donald was turnover own in college. He's been
Speaker 1: turnover pro and in the NFL, and I just don't know, like,
Speaker 1: definitely a stock up, But I still I have question marks,
Speaker 1: and I still don't think that it's out of the
Speaker 1: realm of possibility that Carolina still goes quarterback at some point,
Speaker 1: so it probably knocks them out of the first round
Speaker 1: pick category four quarterback. But I don't think the writing
Speaker 1: is it's all said and done that they're gonna they're
Speaker 1: prepared to move forward with Sam Donald as their long
Speaker 1: term starter of the future. Right, And I think that
Speaker 1: it is definitely a stock up situation in my mind
Speaker 1: as well. But yet it is also important too, like
Speaker 1: let's manage our expectations here, right, Like, this is still
Speaker 1: a guy who yes he's only twenty three years old Donald,
Speaker 1: but yet he's still man. From what we've seen, it's
Speaker 1: not been pretty. And of course we can tie that
Speaker 1: to Adam Gaze, and we can tie it to the
Speaker 1: weapons that he's had in all this. But this is
Speaker 1: the situation for him to succeed with Joe Brady, Like
Speaker 1: you mentioned, with the receiving weapons that he's got, it's
Speaker 1: an excellent situation for him to succeed. Let's see if
Speaker 1: he takes advantage of it. But yet he's still a
Speaker 1: low end QB two in my Dynasty quarterback rankings. Now,
Speaker 1: this is a stock up situation. If you had him
Speaker 1: in super flex leagues and you were kind of just
Speaker 1: holding that hope. Yeah, you got lucky here, right, you
Speaker 1: got you got a situation where he falls into a
Speaker 1: better situation for fantasy football. But let's talk about the
Speaker 1: receiving weapons here in Carolina really quick. Now, what did
Speaker 1: it move any of these guys for you? Whatsoever? The
Speaker 1: only guy I'll just start for the only guy that
Speaker 1: moved for me specifically was Robbie Anderson. Now, Robbie Anderson
Speaker 1: of course reuniting with Sam Darnold, the quarterback that he
Speaker 1: was playing with in New York there for a couple
Speaker 1: of seasons. So Robbie Anderson moved up a couple of
Speaker 1: spots for me. I you know, he was a low
Speaker 1: and wide receiver. Three, he's still in that range, but
Speaker 1: did bump up a couple of spots. But the slot
Speaker 1: receiver here is kind of where Sam Darnold has locked
Speaker 1: onto in the past. We saw it with James Crowder
Speaker 1: and Braxton Barrios was relevant, you know, when he got
Speaker 1: the playing time. So that role Curtis Samuel filled last year.
Speaker 1: That role is no longer there. So now does DJ
Speaker 1: more bump inside? Do they draft someone who's that going
Speaker 1: to be? But yet, for me, the only player that
Speaker 1: moved was Robbie Anderson. Anything for you here from the
Speaker 1: weapons here in Carolina with Sam Donald coming over, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I definitely agree with you with Robbie Anderson. This is
Speaker 1: this is good for Robbie. He and Sam Donald definitely
Speaker 1: had a connection when Robbie was with the New York Jets,
Speaker 1: and it's interesting, it's going to be interesting to see
Speaker 1: what happens with that slot position for Carolina. And again,
Speaker 1: you know, I go back to Joe Brady and I
Speaker 1: know that the offense didn't look super good at times,
Speaker 1: but I think Teddy Bridgewater is just not very good either.
Speaker 1: So this is this is definitely a boost to the
Speaker 1: quarterback room. But I think a player that it also
Speaker 1: breathes just a little bit of air into those sales,
Speaker 1: just a little bit of life into is Ian Thomas
Speaker 1: as well. You know, there were a lot of people
Speaker 1: who were excited about Ian Thomas for a couple of
Speaker 1: years now, and I believe he's going into what his
Speaker 1: third fourth season. And when Sam Darnold was playing well,
Speaker 1: he did target Chris Herndon and they had another tight
Speaker 1: end there, Ryan Griffin. I think that made some you know,
Speaker 1: made some plays as well. So I know that they
Speaker 1: brought in Dan Arnold. Ah, we'll see. But I think
Speaker 1: Ian Thomas, you know, when you're talking about the latest
Speaker 1: of late Dart throws, if you can ask for Ian
Speaker 1: Thomas in a trade in a bigger package, I don't
Speaker 1: think that's a bad little bet to make that Maybe
Speaker 1: he can potentially see some volume with Sam Darnold as well. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: Dart throw kind of filler in there in a package deal.
Speaker 1: But don't hate the call. Let's talk about New York
Speaker 1: really quick. Now. Obviously this, I mean this teased them
Speaker 1: up for quarterback at number two. We all thought this
Speaker 1: was coming, we all expected it. It was like a
Speaker 1: ninety five percent chance. Now it's one hundred percent chance
Speaker 1: that they were taking a quarterback, and we were going
Speaker 1: to see the twenty one NFL Draft start out with quarterback, quarterback, quarterback,
Speaker 1: with San Francisco trading up there two, number three overall
Speaker 1: four at quarterback. So does this do anything for you
Speaker 1: with New York? Do you want to analyze that situation
Speaker 1: at all yet? Or is it kind of I want
Speaker 1: to wait and see who they select, is it Zach Wilson,
Speaker 1: And then we'll we'll talk about the fantasy implications for that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, like you said, it's definitely going to be
Speaker 1: a quarterback, and all indications are Zach Wilson. But it's funny,
Speaker 1: I saw somebody tweet today, why do we continue to
Speaker 1: assume it's Zach Wilson? Why not justin fields? Why not
Speaker 1: Trey Lance? You know, have the Jets made any kind
Speaker 1: of you know, tip their hand at all that it's
Speaker 1: gonna be Zach Wilson. And I think the answer to
Speaker 1: that question is no, we're assuming it's Zach Wilson. But
Speaker 1: if you ask anybody why Wilson over fields or why
Speaker 1: Wilson over Trey Lance, I don't think anybody has like
Speaker 1: any kind of proof or or anything outside of maybe
Speaker 1: autom Scheffer said, it's all speculations. So, yeah, they're gonna
Speaker 1: go quarterback. But I think we just need to see
Speaker 1: which quarterback, and you know, odds are maybe it is
Speaker 1: Zach Wilson, but you never know. Absolutely well, we'll see
Speaker 1: and we'll we'll analyze that as we get to uh,
Speaker 1: you know, pass the NFL Draft, and we'll talk through
Speaker 1: that all right before we get into the wide receiver discussion, though,
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Speaker 1: did our running back evaluations. We did those two parts,
Speaker 1: which was awesome, great discussion, and we're going to continue
Speaker 1: that form that we did. Got really good feedback from
Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of listeners saying that they
Speaker 1: loved the format that we did, so we're just going
Speaker 1: to carry that on right here into the wide receiver discussion.
Speaker 1: Before we get into that, though, like the overall strength,
Speaker 1: the overall like just the strength of the class. What
Speaker 1: is your opinion here with the twenty twenty one wide
Speaker 1: receiver class. Do you like how deep it is? Is
Speaker 1: it a really top heavy class. Just kind of give
Speaker 1: me your overall view and outlook on this class before
Speaker 1: we get into our first superlative. Yeah, I think I
Speaker 1: think the class is a very good wide receiver class
Speaker 1: for fantasy purposes. I think it's quite heavy at the
Speaker 1: top and then it trails off quite a bit, you know,
Speaker 1: as as we went through the Prota testing season with
Speaker 1: measurables and all that, I think that there's a lot
Speaker 1: of excellent depth pieces players who could potentially be flex
Speaker 1: position players for your for your dynasty rosters, for your
Speaker 1: fantasy rosters, but high end potentially be elite fantasy scorers.
Speaker 1: I think there are a couple of guys in this
Speaker 1: class and then that's really pretty much it. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: also interesting too, there aren't a lot of big guys
Speaker 1: in this class. Typically. We talked about that with our
Speaker 1: twenty twenty two preview where you were saying, like with
Speaker 1: the guys that you mentioned, those are some big guys
Speaker 1: coming out those prototypical wide receiver ones, right, There's not
Speaker 1: a lot of that in this class. There are a
Speaker 1: lot of slot receivers in this twenty twenty one wide
Speaker 1: receiver class. So let's break it down here. Let's go
Speaker 1: our first superlative here, let's go best route runner in
Speaker 1: this entire class. The guys that we have scouted, I'm
Speaker 1: up to I think twenty five players wide receivers that
Speaker 1: I've scouted in this class. Got a lot more to
Speaker 1: get through before the NFL Draft. So best route runner
Speaker 1: in your opinion, who is it? It's Almandras Saint Brown,
Speaker 1: wide receiver out of USC Almenros one of the best
Speaker 1: high school wide receiver prospects that we've seen come out
Speaker 1: over the past ten years. Army All American. He's a
Speaker 1: product of a family of just crazy athletes, crazy work ethic.
Speaker 1: His dad missed two time Mister Olympia. His brother o
Speaker 1: Cyrus Saint Brown played wide receiver at Stanford. Equanimia Saint
Speaker 1: Brown wide receiver the gree Bay Packers, and Amen Ra,
Speaker 1: the youngest of the three cent bound brothers, is by
Speaker 1: far the best NFL draft prospect to come out of
Speaker 1: that family. And he's not a Blazer. He's not the
Speaker 1: biggest wide receiver. When you talk about this fundamentally sound technician,
Speaker 1: I mean there there's there's video clips of Saint Brown
Speaker 1: at practice just destroying defensive backs at USC with phenomenal,
Speaker 1: phenomenal route running, and then you see that on Saturdays
Speaker 1: at USC. I mean, he's just a phenomenal route runner.
Speaker 1: His ability to use the size as a physical wide
Speaker 1: receiver as leverage to stack defensive backs, to use the
Speaker 1: physicality on those outbreaking routes, to push in on the
Speaker 1: defensive back, playing his foot on the ground and explode
Speaker 1: out for an outroute or an inbreaking route. When you
Speaker 1: just watch him do those things on tape from uh
Speaker 1: you know, I play defensive back in college and when
Speaker 1: I when I watch him, the thing that really really
Speaker 1: sort of tipped the scale for me is every route
Speaker 1: looks the same, Every single route looks the same. And
Speaker 1: Ross Brown and that right there is an absolute problem
Speaker 1: for defensive backs when you don't know if the receiver's
Speaker 1: going to run deep, if he's going to stem inside,
Speaker 1: if he's going to try to post corner you in route,
Speaker 1: outbreaking route. I think Am and Rod's the best route
Speaker 1: running in this class. Now when I think of the
Speaker 1: best route. Alman Rod does not come to mind for
Speaker 1: me personally, But I love this inclusion him of him
Speaker 1: here because I think that he is extremely underrated there are.
Speaker 1: You know, you and I are big fans of his game.
Speaker 1: I've got him ranked very highly, and you know we've
Speaker 1: been hyping him up. But yet you look across the
Speaker 1: industry and there aren't people have him going in like
Speaker 1: the third round of the NFL draft. I'm saying, hey,
Speaker 1: don't be surprised that this guy goes mid to early
Speaker 1: second round, just from what he can bring to the table.
Speaker 1: Now with Almon Rod, do you think that he is
Speaker 1: relegated completely to a slot role in the NFL? Or
Speaker 1: do you think that he has enough versatility to be
Speaker 1: able to be moved to the outside maybe given the
Speaker 1: ball out you know, in gadget plays or anything like that.
Speaker 1: Or is he just your prototypical slot receiver but he's
Speaker 1: a you know, obviously a little bit more bigger and physical. No,
Speaker 1: I actually think he can play outside quite well. If
Speaker 1: you go back to his early USC production where he
Speaker 1: had thousand yards in his freshman season. You know, I
Speaker 1: mean you see him playing in and out, you know,
Speaker 1: Michael Pittman junior is there with him. Not this past season,
Speaker 1: but the season before. So Saint Brown is definitely a
Speaker 1: player who can play in the slot and he can
Speaker 1: play outside. Like, I don't have any concerns about his
Speaker 1: positional versatility. I think he's just gonna be where he
Speaker 1: fits on an offense, but he can play inside or outside. Awesome. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm a big fan. I talked about it on our
Speaker 1: last I think that was our rookie mock draft that
Speaker 1: I said, you know, I comped him to Robert Woods
Speaker 1: and they ran an identical forty yard dash their near
Speaker 1: identical size. I think that they can be utilized very
Speaker 1: very similarly too, where you get a Saint Brown the
Speaker 1: ball behind the line of scrimmage and let him create
Speaker 1: I think that, you know, just like they did with
Speaker 1: Robert Woods. You know, Robert Woods gets those twenty carries
Speaker 1: you know a year or any something like that. I
Speaker 1: think Saint Brown can have that same kind of impact.
Speaker 1: So big fan, love you including him here. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: go Rashad Bateman. That's the wide receiver out of Minnesota
Speaker 1: as far as the best route runner that I've seen
Speaker 1: in this class. Now from what you see with utilizing leverage,
Speaker 1: keeping his and it comes down to footwork a lot too,
Speaker 1: right where we talk about with the running backs, being
Speaker 1: able to keep your feet underneath you and then using
Speaker 1: that kind of you have that controlled momentum to be
Speaker 1: able to shift side to side and then sink your
Speaker 1: hips in and out of your break. That is what
Speaker 1: Rashad Bateman can bring to the table. So not only
Speaker 1: does he bring you that contested catchability, which I'm sure
Speaker 1: that we'll talk about him, you know at some point
Speaker 1: throughout either this episode or the next one, as far
Speaker 1: as what he can bring to the table as a
Speaker 1: contested catch receiver go up and play above the rim.
Speaker 1: But yet he is constantly going to get open from
Speaker 1: how smart he is as a route runner, route runner,
Speaker 1: how he utilizes his leverage in and out of his breaks,
Speaker 1: easily sinking his hips to be able to create that separation.
Speaker 1: Big big fan of Bateman and what he brings to
Speaker 1: the table. There are people that have got him, you know,
Speaker 1: look at NFL draft analysts, they've gotten him outside their
Speaker 1: top seven receivers and stuff like that. I'm just like,
Speaker 1: I don't understand that whatsoever I've got this guy's a
Speaker 1: top fifteen player in this class because of how good
Speaker 1: he is as a route runner and how I think
Speaker 1: that he is just going to step onto the NFL
Speaker 1: field and contribute from day one. So Rashad Bateman here
Speaker 1: as the best route runner. Most people think about him
Speaker 1: as that contested catch guy. I'm saying, now, look at
Speaker 1: what he can bring to the table as a route runner. Two. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I don't hate it. I think you touched
Speaker 1: on something. I think he's I think he's good at
Speaker 1: running routes, but I don't think that's his strength. I
Speaker 1: think his strength is you kind of alluded to it,
Speaker 1: his football IQ and his knowledge of coverages. You see
Speaker 1: him so often settle down inside of zones, understanding what
Speaker 1: the defensive backs are gonna do, utilizing that leverage. As
Speaker 1: you said, but he's a good route runner, but I
Speaker 1: think he's a smarter football player and that allows him
Speaker 1: to get open, especially against zone coverage. But I don't
Speaker 1: hate call, and I don't understand how anybody can have
Speaker 1: Rashot Bateman outside their top seven line receivers. It's crazy, man. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I love watching that when I'm scouting. I love being
Speaker 1: able to see how smart a player is on tape
Speaker 1: and on the field, right, because that just means that
Speaker 1: they are just going to continue to get better in
Speaker 1: the NFL. Right, These players who are a little bit
Speaker 1: more raw, they don't have a great understanding of route running,
Speaker 1: how to be able to sink their hips, get in
Speaker 1: and out breaks, this, this and this that is a
Speaker 1: complete projection to the next level. Because the windows get
Speaker 1: tighter the player, the defenders get bigger, faster, stronger. Right,
Speaker 1: all these things combine where I can say, if I
Speaker 1: know that you have that football, iq, I feel very
Speaker 1: comfortable projecting you forward. And so with Rashot Bateman, I
Speaker 1: definitely see that. Let's move on here to our best hands.
Speaker 1: We're going to go best receiving ability. In case you
Speaker 1: weren't aware, it's kind of an important thing with a
Speaker 1: wide receiver being able to catch the freaking football. So
Speaker 1: let's go best hands here. I have a feeling that
Speaker 1: you and I are going to bring up the same name. Well,
Speaker 1: go ahead and start us off, then, Yates, let's go
Speaker 1: with Davanta smith Man. Let's go it with DeVonta smith
Speaker 1: You have coined him as the slim Reaper. I freaking
Speaker 1: love that, you know, I think with Smith for what
Speaker 1: he is able to do at his size, regardless of
Speaker 1: whether he is one hundred and seventy pounds, whether he
Speaker 1: is one hundred and sixty, I don't care, man Like,
Speaker 1: what he can do is just absolutely incredible. His receiving ability,
Speaker 1: his ability to track the ball while it's in the air,
Speaker 1: his ability to go up. And I said, with Bateman,
Speaker 1: play above the rim, which is a surprising too. With Bateman,
Speaker 1: he's not the biggest guy, right, he just measured in
Speaker 1: way smaller than what we thought he was going to.
Speaker 1: DeVante Smith kind of the same thing. But he's got
Speaker 1: a crazy wingspan that allows him to be able to
Speaker 1: go up. I just think that if you throw the
Speaker 1: ball DeVante Smith's way, no matter where it's at, with
Speaker 1: his catch radius, he's going to bring it in. You know,
Speaker 1: you're never going to have to worry about DeVante Smith
Speaker 1: dropping a pass. I just I think that he is
Speaker 1: so incredibly reliable. So DeVante Smith here for best hands.
Speaker 1: That was a pretty easy selection for me. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: I honestly, I don't I don't have much else to add.
Speaker 1: I mean, his hands are strong. Once the ball hits him,
Speaker 1: he's coming down with it. Whether it's in the back
Speaker 1: of the end zone on the sideline. We saw that
Speaker 1: versus Ohio State. Just crazy body control and ability to
Speaker 1: extend his hands and the one hand to grab that
Speaker 1: everyone saw versus LSU. It's just when the ball touches
Speaker 1: his hands, he does not drop it. And another small
Speaker 1: subtlety to best hands is when there is tight coverage
Speaker 1: and the defensive back is draped over the wide receiver
Speaker 1: and he's still able to hold and secure that ball
Speaker 1: that it's not getting punched away. And that's a testament
Speaker 1: to how strong his hands are. He's got the best
Speaker 1: hands in the glass. Absolutely. Another guy that I'll mention
Speaker 1: here is just kind of an honorable mention is Elijah Moore,
Speaker 1: the wide receiver. Audible Miss the slot receiver here received
Speaker 1: a very very high grade from me as far as
Speaker 1: overall hands and receiving ability. Just so sticky man can
Speaker 1: just track the ball extremely well. And there are some
Speaker 1: passes there from old Miss that you know, are just
Speaker 1: so far outside of his catch radius and he somehow
Speaker 1: brings it in. They're so inaccurate, but he finds a
Speaker 1: way to bring it in. So I'll say Elijah Moore
Speaker 1: there as kind of an honorable mention. Let's go to
Speaker 1: the best field stretcher. Now, this is obviously a very
Speaker 1: valuable role. We think of field stretchers, we think of
Speaker 1: Will Fuller, right, that's kind of the name that immediately
Speaker 1: crossed to mind as far as this guy, he was
Speaker 1: able to open everything up, open everything else up for
Speaker 1: the defense. Deshaun Jackson was this guy, right. But so
Speaker 1: let's talk about best field stretcher because that can be
Speaker 1: a very valuable role for fantasy football. Best field stretcher,
Speaker 1: who do you want to bring up here? Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: to me it's Jalen Wattle by a very very wide margin.
Speaker 1: You know, one of my one of my buddies, Eric
Speaker 1: Crocker Crocker Report. He played professional football Arena League and
Speaker 1: had some a stint in the NFL. He tweeted today
Speaker 1: that you can tell a defensive back sphere by how
Speaker 1: they play the wide receivers, and you rarely ever see
Speaker 1: a wide defensive back try to press Jalen Wattle because
Speaker 1: if they do and they make a mistake, it's lights out.
Speaker 1: I mean his speed. There are video clips of him
Speaker 1: racing against Henry Ruggs two years ago and they were
Speaker 1: neck and neck at the finish line. It's just it
Speaker 1: is blinding speed, suddenness, acceleration. He's got a complete different
Speaker 1: gear that Listen. I know we do it every single year,
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna do it now. But I truly believe
Speaker 1: that if there is anything close to what Tyreek Hill
Speaker 1: can is, it's Jalen Waddle and that type of speed
Speaker 1: at the next level. It translated at at Alabama and
Speaker 1: he's a much better wide receiver than Henry Ruggs ever
Speaker 1: was at Alabama. When you're talking about just threatening a
Speaker 1: defense down the field, that you're gonna have to account
Speaker 1: for him every single play out of the fear that
Speaker 1: he gets over top of your safeties. I do not
Speaker 1: believe there is a better field stretcher in this class
Speaker 1: than one Jalen Waddle. You see it with Tyreek Hill,
Speaker 1: and what you know, you go back and you watch
Speaker 1: film or as you're watching that game, you know the
Speaker 1: announcers are constantly pointing out that the safety is constantly
Speaker 1: over the top of Tybreek Hill, that you have to
Speaker 1: dedicate two defenders to guarding Hill because if you do not,
Speaker 1: you're giving up seven points or six points, right Like
Speaker 1: you're just it's going for six. So I think with
Speaker 1: Waddle he has the potential, absolute potential to do that
Speaker 1: same thing. Now, I think that he's got to improve
Speaker 1: on some route running to be able to get to
Speaker 1: that same level. He's got to improve on his release
Speaker 1: off the line of scrimmage. But again, he's my wide
Speaker 1: receiver two in this class, and I'm saying that so
Speaker 1: if he does figure those things out, then with his
Speaker 1: speed combined with this speed in the athleticism that it's
Speaker 1: just lights out, You're not going to be able to
Speaker 1: guard him. You're going to have to dedicate two defenders
Speaker 1: to guarding him constantly, and that just opens everything else up.
Speaker 1: So I love that you talked about him here as
Speaker 1: that best field stretcher because he absolutely can be that
Speaker 1: for an NFL offense. I'm going to go with a
Speaker 1: name here that when you think of field stretcher, you
Speaker 1: know I'd mentioned Will Fuller, Deshaun Jackson you just mentioned,
Speaker 1: and Jalen Waddle, you think of pure speed, and this
Speaker 1: guy certainly has that speed. But yet combining with his size,
Speaker 1: that's Terrace Marshall Junior, the wide receiver out of LSU,
Speaker 1: and his prota measured in at six three two oh
Speaker 1: five proceeded to run a four three eight forty yard dash. Now,
Speaker 1: I don't know if I fully believe that he ran
Speaker 1: a four to three eight necessarily because I didn't see
Speaker 1: that level of speed on tape. Now he's fast, of course,
Speaker 1: and can absolutely build up momentum with his long strides,
Speaker 1: But I'm going to talk about him as the best
Speaker 1: field stretcher in this class because of his speed compared
Speaker 1: with his size. A fair comp is actually mvs. Marquez,
Speaker 1: Valdi is Scantling. Now, Scantling, of course has his drop issues,
Speaker 1: and let's not pretend that Terris Marshall is one of
Speaker 1: the most shorthanded receivers in this class. But yet MBS
Speaker 1: has been very valuable for Green Bay from his ability
Speaker 1: to get open deep down field and open things up
Speaker 1: underneath for a Davante Adams, for Alan Lazard, you know,
Speaker 1: and these receivers that they've had throughout his time at
Speaker 1: Green Bay. Terris Marshall can be that same type of
Speaker 1: player where he opens everything else up underneath. Because if
Speaker 1: you just mentioned it, with defenders trying to come up
Speaker 1: and press jaylen Waddle, if you come up and try
Speaker 1: to press Terris Marshall. He has the size to be
Speaker 1: able to just simply bully you off. If you're lining
Speaker 1: up a five foot eleven, one hundred and ninety pound
Speaker 1: corner on Terris Marshall, who's six three two five Guess
Speaker 1: what that defenders going backwards most likely, and then he
Speaker 1: has the speed to be able to capitalize on it
Speaker 1: and take the top off a defense. So I think
Speaker 1: that you're going to have to dedicate two defenders, right,
Speaker 1: You're going to have to constantly be thinking about that
Speaker 1: safety over the top to be able to help out
Speaker 1: that corner if you are going to go in too
Speaker 1: press with Terris Marshall. And I think that he just
Speaker 1: simply with his speed is size, he's going to be
Speaker 1: able to open everything else up for an NFL offense.
Speaker 1: Now he's raw, Like I don't have him ranked very
Speaker 1: highly because of this, because, like I am a little
Speaker 1: bit more scared off of raw defenders, and I mentioned
Speaker 1: the drops, there's definitely that to factory in into his tape.
Speaker 1: But yet the upside is absolutely tremendous. So Terris Marshall
Speaker 1: wide receiver out of LSU as far as the best
Speaker 1: field stretcher in my opinion before we keep talking wide receivers.
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Speaker 1: was a little surprised, but I don't I don't hate it.
Speaker 1: I think it is projecting a little bit moving forward
Speaker 1: because he never really played that role. Jamar Chase was
Speaker 1: the downfield threat in twenty nineteen and Marshall did have
Speaker 1: some deep passes this past season, but he only played
Speaker 1: a handful of games and we really didn't see it consistently.
Speaker 1: And I just I don't think from what I've seen
Speaker 1: on tape that he creates that level of Jalen Wattle,
Speaker 1: Tyreek Hill, even Henry Ruggs to agree, when Henry Ruggs
Speaker 1: is on the field, like you have to pay attention
Speaker 1: because he I don't know if Marshall has that type
Speaker 1: of true on field speed to where NFL defense is
Speaker 1: going to allocate, you know, multiple defenders to him. I
Speaker 1: truly believe from day one they may try to one
Speaker 1: on one Jalen Waddle, and I don't think that's gonna
Speaker 1: work out very well for the defensive team that does that.
Speaker 1: I just don't see that level of speed for Terroris Marshall,
Speaker 1: but for his size, like you said, at six three,
Speaker 1: two or five, one of the very few wide receivers
Speaker 1: in this class over six foot one and two hundred
Speaker 1: pounds to be as fluid and as fast as he
Speaker 1: is is impressive. Yeah, And I did want to bring
Speaker 1: in a different type of player into this conversation too,
Speaker 1: because we can constantly just talk about speed, pure speed
Speaker 1: as the field stretching option. Like I totally get that,
Speaker 1: and Jaylen Waddle absolutely, I'm not going to fight you
Speaker 1: at all on that selection. Now, my concern with not
Speaker 1: and why I didn't put Jaylen Waddle as the best
Speaker 1: field stretcher is because I think Waddle is going to
Speaker 1: be utilized more heavily underneath that. I don't think that
Speaker 1: he you know, of course he's going to be moved
Speaker 1: outside and he is going to have those nine routes
Speaker 1: and those deep posts and stuff like that that he
Speaker 1: will be able to open things up, you know, occasionally,
Speaker 1: But I don't think that that's going to be how
Speaker 1: completely he's utilized. I don't think that you're going to
Speaker 1: see terrorist Marshall utilize much underneath at all, Like that's
Speaker 1: just really not his game. I think that he is
Speaker 1: going to be that guy that you're utilizing deep downfield,
Speaker 1: and I think that as far as his projection to
Speaker 1: the next level. Let me clarify that, as far as
Speaker 1: his projection to the next level, I think that is
Speaker 1: going to be his game and how he wins. So
Speaker 1: with Marshall, that's why I included him because it is
Speaker 1: not only just to speed. I wanted to reclassify and
Speaker 1: at least carry in a different conversation of field stretching
Speaker 1: to be yes, it can be pure speed, but yes,
Speaker 1: it also you have to factor in that based on
Speaker 1: his size, he carries a whole other level of threat
Speaker 1: for an NFL defense. So wanted to mention Marshall there,
Speaker 1: go ahead. I've got to say that was a very
Speaker 1: good counterpoint because I think you're right like and I
Speaker 1: think the Raiders kind of learned that too, right just
Speaker 1: sitting Henry Ruggs is a perfect example of nine routes
Speaker 1: is not optimal. Like, yeah, you gotta like it cleared
Speaker 1: stuff up for Waller, Sure, but is that what you
Speaker 1: spent a top twelve pick on is for someone just
Speaker 1: to do that? And I do think that Jalen Wattle
Speaker 1: because when you watch him some of those long touchdown
Speaker 1: I mean, trust me, he's got his fair share of
Speaker 1: deep bombs where he just blaze his past people. Oh
Speaker 1: for sure, those bubble screens are where he's just lethal. Right,
Speaker 1: Just get it to him really really quickly and let
Speaker 1: him do work because he's got great acceleration. So I
Speaker 1: just want to say, that's a very very astute observation
Speaker 1: by you, because I don't think and if an NFL
Speaker 1: team uses Jalen Wattle just on the outside to run
Speaker 1: nine routes, it's gonna waste him and it's gonna crush
Speaker 1: his fantasy value. Yeah, and I think, you know, we
Speaker 1: can all sit here and say, well, yeah, that would
Speaker 1: be the you know, of course, why you know, you
Speaker 1: have to utilize him in a variety of different ways. Well,
Speaker 1: NFL teams apparently are showing that they're not that smart,
Speaker 1: with Henry Ruggs being the perfect example there. So let's
Speaker 1: knock this last one out really quick. Here, this is
Speaker 1: our best slot receiver. Now I mentioned that this class
Speaker 1: is just it's foal of slot receivers. You can go
Speaker 1: down the list, everyone from Rondale Moore to Kadarius Tony too.
Speaker 1: You might put Tyland Wallace in the slot, Shy Smith
Speaker 1: out of South Carolina. I'm on roll Saint Brown Elijah Moore.
Speaker 1: I mean, who else am I missing? Amari Rodgers, Jalen Darden,
Speaker 1: Daz Newsom probably is going to be a slot like
Speaker 1: Kay Johnson out of South Dakota. Statement. The list just
Speaker 1: goes on and on as far as these players that
Speaker 1: are going to be classified and relegated to a pure
Speaker 1: slot role in the NFL. But there's a best one
Speaker 1: in this class. I'm really interested to see who you're
Speaker 1: going to bring up here, because again, there's a lot
Speaker 1: of very very talented players. Let's talk about the best
Speaker 1: one in your opinion. Yeah, And for me, Yates, the
Speaker 1: crazy thing is, there are a lot of options, a
Speaker 1: ton of options for this, but I'm going with the
Speaker 1: player who caught over one hundred tim passes as a
Speaker 1: true freshman, over two thousand total yards is a true
Speaker 1: freshman just absolute slot monster. He's going to play the
Speaker 1: slot at the next level. There's no ifans or butts
Speaker 1: about it. It's Ron Dell Moore, the wide receiver router
Speaker 1: perdue at you know, five foot seven, one hundred and
Speaker 1: eighty pounds four three forty time, ridiculous short shuttle. He's
Speaker 1: gonna be a headache in the slot, you know, using
Speaker 1: him outside to run nine routes is not going to
Speaker 1: be ideal. You know, he can do that out of
Speaker 1: the slot against this like what you do with that
Speaker 1: an outside linebacker is too slow as safety probably, like
Speaker 1: I just I would dread having to play inside against
Speaker 1: him for sixty seventy plays a game. He's just he's explosive,
Speaker 1: he's dynamics, he's shifty, he's quick, he's physical after the catch.
Speaker 1: I think he's going to cause a ton of problems
Speaker 1: inside at the slot. And for me, amongst a group
Speaker 1: of wide receivers who have a ton of slide receivers,
Speaker 1: I think he's the best one. I'm gonna go with
Speaker 1: Ron del Moore here too because of a lot of
Speaker 1: the same reasons you mentioned, But then also not when
Speaker 1: you think of slot receivers, and I don't know about you,
Speaker 1: but for me to typically like I go immediately to
Speaker 1: Julian Edelman, Like Julian Edelman when I think of a
Speaker 1: slot receiver, that is the type of guy where wins
Speaker 1: with that quick, shifty like over the middle of the field.
Speaker 1: He's gonna get popped, but he's gonna get right back
Speaker 1: up and he's going to hold onto that ball. Through contact.
Speaker 1: That's kind of what I think about with a slot receiver.
Speaker 1: But yet with Rondelmore and what he can bring to
Speaker 1: the table, it's going to be so much more than that,
Speaker 1: because not only are you going to be able to
Speaker 1: utilize him with his quick you know, short area quickness,
Speaker 1: but then also his speed on drag routes, on unders
Speaker 1: and just being utilized underneath across the field. A defender,
Speaker 1: a slot corner is not going to be able to
Speaker 1: keep up with him with four to nine speed. But
Speaker 1: then also if you have offman coverage and you allow
Speaker 1: him to be able to get open on deep overs,
Speaker 1: on these inbreaking routes and things like that from the slot,
Speaker 1: to be able to be utilizing his speed, and then
Speaker 1: not only that, but getting him touches out of the
Speaker 1: backfield like as a maybe even as a running back,
Speaker 1: like he's got the size to be able to do
Speaker 1: that too. Like, I think that the possibility are endless
Speaker 1: here for an NFL team that drafts rondel Moore. Now,
Speaker 1: the only only concern is injury. Can he hold up
Speaker 1: because the past couple of years now they've been they're
Speaker 1: not serious injuries, but he hasn't played a ton of
Speaker 1: games here over the past couple of seasons, so that
Speaker 1: is the only concern. But as far as what Ronde
Speaker 1: Moore can bring to the table, I'm a big fan
Speaker 1: of him and his projection as far as being the
Speaker 1: best slot receiver. An honorable mention that I'll throw it
Speaker 1: in here really quick before you get out of here,
Speaker 1: is Kadarius Tony, the wide receiver out of Florida. Now,
Speaker 1: Tony has a lot of work to do still, raw
Speaker 1: needs a lot of refinement in his route running, but
Speaker 1: the tools are already there. You see it all the
Speaker 1: time with him on his tape consistently just creating separation.
Speaker 1: He's got that like spin a rama, you know, a
Speaker 1: slot or that that you see. You know, that's I'm
Speaker 1: sure that you've seen it on Twitter, like yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: like it's yeah, it's a ton of fun to see.
Speaker 1: And you know, maybe you say, Okay, does that work
Speaker 1: necessarily at the NFL level? I think it will with
Speaker 1: how quick he is like that, you see the tools
Speaker 1: and traits all there to be molded. Now, there are
Speaker 1: concerns about him being a little bit older, the late breakout, this, this,
Speaker 1: and this. I think that those are a little bit
Speaker 1: overblown from me. I've got him ranked very hard on
Speaker 1: this class. So I liked Darius Tony and his projection
Speaker 1: to the next level because he's gonna feel a very
Speaker 1: very similar rule to what we just talked about with
Speaker 1: Rondelle Moore. I just like more, just a little bit better. Man. Listen, Tony.
Speaker 1: Tony's taken a lot of heat, but all he's done
Speaker 1: since since the season is over is answered the call.
Speaker 1: And for me, honestly, I understand we want younger players
Speaker 1: because in theory they last longer, but we don't know
Speaker 1: you could be twenty in our league at twenty eight,
Speaker 1: you know, like, just give me good players. And I
Speaker 1: think Tony's a far better player than the fantasy community
Speaker 1: gives him credit for Pro Day was fantasy. I mean
Speaker 1: he's the same size about it. I was just about
Speaker 1: to talk about his Pro Day, Yeah, I mean, same
Speaker 1: size with Sean Bateman. And he's faster, and he's he's quick,
Speaker 1: he's elusive, and if he gets the draft capital and
Speaker 1: is used in the slot like you, I think there's
Speaker 1: a very strong argument to be made that he could
Speaker 1: be the best slot receiver in his class. Man. I
Speaker 1: love the honorable and Honestly, I don't even think it's
Speaker 1: honorable mention. I think he's right up there with more
Speaker 1: as far as what he's gonna do with the next
Speaker 1: level and what he could become. He's a ton of
Speaker 1: his tape is a ton of fun. Is pro Day
Speaker 1: alluded to it. Six foot one hundred and ninety three pounds,
Speaker 1: which is a big slot. That's big first slot receiver.
Speaker 1: Forty inch vertical jump, which is which is a ninetieth
Speaker 1: percentile one hundred and thirty six inch broad jump, which
Speaker 1: is a ninety ninth percentile number. Only nine reps on
Speaker 1: the bench, Okay, yep, kind of expected there for a
Speaker 1: slot receiver. But four point four one forty yard dash,
Speaker 1: and then a six point eight eight three cone dram
Speaker 1: which is a sixty fourth percentile fiver. So this is
Speaker 1: an incredible athlete. And let me and let me just
Speaker 1: for everybody out there that's wondering why I didn't he
Speaker 1: do it earlier. You know, he was a quarterback coming
Speaker 1: out of high school and Florida was an absolute mess
Speaker 1: for a couple of years. So I mean, he's just
Speaker 1: really learning the receiver position. He was a quarterback, a
Speaker 1: wildcat quarterback out of high school. He's just learned a position. Man. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I think you know I mentioned is long term projection.
Speaker 1: I'm a big, big fan of all right, So we
Speaker 1: talked about best route runner, best hands, best field stretcher,
Speaker 1: best slot receiver. That's gonna do it for this episode.
Speaker 1: We will get to our best contested catch receiver in
Speaker 1: this class on our next episode. We've got quite a
Speaker 1: few superlatives that are left on this list. Right, We're
Speaker 1: gonna try to fly here at this next episode to
Speaker 1: see if we can get through it. But really good conversation, Ray,
Speaker 1: how do you feel about just your list, the guys
Speaker 1: you brought to the table, and then how do you
Speaker 1: feel about the the upcoming episode? Man? And it's a
Speaker 1: good list. It's a good list, and I think the
Speaker 1: next episode will be really good to get into some
Speaker 1: of those toughest eval's favorite Day three guys, some really
Speaker 1: actuable content that I'm looking forward to chopping it up
Speaker 1: with you, brother, absolutely, so make sure that you guys
Speaker 1: stick around for that because again we're gonna get into
Speaker 1: some really interesting names. Who are you mentioned, lowest floor
Speaker 1: or highest ceiling, toughest evaluation Day three wide receiver. We're
Speaker 1: gonna get to it all here on that next episode
Speaker 1: fingers crossed. All right, for I gotta say the huge
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Speaker 1: And Ray, thank you again so much for joining me
Speaker 1: for this podcast. Man, ton of fun. Make sure you
Speaker 1: go get that workout in, brother, I'll be I'll be
Speaker 1: paying attention to Twitter to see if that come through. Yeah. Man, Hey,
Speaker 1: you have a good night, and as always, Yates, it
Speaker 1: is always always good to chop it up with you, man,
Speaker 1: absolutely man. All right for Ray Garvin, I'm Kyle Yates
Speaker 1: and we'll see you next time.