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Speaker 1: is Kylie Yates and I'm your host. I'm joined as
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Speaker 1: All right, Ray, we did part one of our wide
Speaker 1: receiver evaluations on this twenty twenty one rookie class here
Speaker 1: on the last episode. So if you have not listened
Speaker 1: to that, listened to that, please press pause, go back
Speaker 1: and listen to that. We are going to continue that
Speaker 1: same format. We're going right into it here because we
Speaker 1: got a lot. We got six superlatives that we have
Speaker 1: to get through in this episode. So let's get cranking here.
Speaker 1: We've got the best contested catch receiver in this entire class.
Speaker 1: I'm going to throw it to you first. Who is
Speaker 1: the person that you that comes to mind immediately when
Speaker 1: you think of best contested catch receiver? Jamar Chase. Jamar
Speaker 1: Chase wide receiver at LSU. I mean what he does
Speaker 1: down the field when the ball is in the air,
Speaker 1: defenders draped around him. He's physical as hell. I mean,
Speaker 1: just the first thing that pops to mind. The first
Speaker 1: player that I see, the first receiver that I see,
Speaker 1: is Jamar Chase. He's incredible in that department. It's crazy
Speaker 1: too when you think about his size right like he
Speaker 1: measured in at just over six feet or six foot
Speaker 1: flat in two hundred and one pounds, like you think
Speaker 1: that he plays as if he's six three sixty four
Speaker 1: now he's able to still go up and high point
Speaker 1: the football and that's evidenced by his forty one inch
Speaker 1: vertical jump that he had at the LSU Pro day there.
Speaker 1: So really he's the guy that came into my mind too.
Speaker 1: You got to start the conversation there as far as
Speaker 1: the best contested catch receiver, someone who a quarterback is
Speaker 1: going to feel completely comfortable just throwing it up in
Speaker 1: a fifty fifty situation and knowing that that ball is
Speaker 1: now a sixty forty seventy thirty, you know, leaning in
Speaker 1: Jamar Chase's way, that he's going to come down with
Speaker 1: that football most likely. So Jamar Chase, there is my
Speaker 1: answer as well. I will throw in another name here,
Speaker 1: and that is Jonathan Adams Junior at the wide receiver
Speaker 1: out of Arkansas State. I brought him up here on
Speaker 1: our sleeper episode that we did here recently talking about
Speaker 1: people are not talking a ton about Jonathan Adams Junior.
Speaker 1: Standing at sixty three, two twenty pounds I think was
Speaker 1: his official weight, and what he weighed in at this
Speaker 1: guy has an incredible athleticism, huge broad jump, huge vertical jump,
Speaker 1: and then can go up and high point the football
Speaker 1: like very few other players. Like I think that Jamar
Speaker 1: Chase for the size and what he does, Like, yes, absolutely,
Speaker 1: it's crazy what he's doing at his size. But you
Speaker 1: want some jaw dropping catches. You want those highlight reel
Speaker 1: you know, we think of Julio Jones and AJ Green
Speaker 1: and Calvin Johnson. Like, if you want that as far
Speaker 1: as a contested catch receiver, go look at some Jonathan
Speaker 1: Adams junior highlights there on YouTube. Wide receiver out of
Speaker 1: Arkansas State. All right, let's move on here. Let's go
Speaker 1: highest ceiling now. Way as we look at the overall
Speaker 1: class and we say in three years, let's fast forward
Speaker 1: three years from now, who reached the highest ceiling, who
Speaker 1: came out as the wide receiver one in this class
Speaker 1: looking back to twenty twenty. Right now, people are going
Speaker 1: to say, that's Justin Jefferson, Right, Justin Jefferson is probably
Speaker 1: that player who we can look back and say he
Speaker 1: was the winner of the highest ceiling superlative of the
Speaker 1: twenty twenty class. Now, who is that guy for twenty
Speaker 1: twenty one in your opinion, Yeah, my bad, My bad. Okay,
Speaker 1: So I kind of took this like a little bit different, right.
Speaker 1: I was looking at the players to see if all
Speaker 1: the stars aligned for this guy, he could be the
Speaker 1: best wide receiver in this class. And I think that
Speaker 1: player for me is Jalen Wattle. And I know, I know,
Speaker 1: I know, we get sick of hearing the next, the next,
Speaker 1: the next Tyreek Hill, but I truly believe that this
Speaker 1: is the player that compares if we're going to have
Speaker 1: a Tyreek Hill two point zero or something anywhere near that.
Speaker 1: Jalen Wattle was that dude. I mean, and we kind
Speaker 1: of talked about him on the last show because I
Speaker 1: had him as my best field stretcher. But you made
Speaker 1: a great point that he's just as good in the
Speaker 1: short area game, with those smoke screens, with those bubble screens,
Speaker 1: with those quick outs, with those with those slants. Like
Speaker 1: he's not the most polished receiver. But you know, three
Speaker 1: years from now, if we look back and say, man,
Speaker 1: Jaylen Wattle just as an absolute game changer, it wouldn't
Speaker 1: it wouldn't be shocking to me. I mean, the talent
Speaker 1: is just He's just oozing with potential and talent. So
Speaker 1: if I had to say a player who has the
Speaker 1: highest ceiling if all things fire, I think that players
Speaker 1: Jalen Waddle. I'm not going to disagree with you whatsoever there.
Speaker 1: Do you think that he is completely landing spot proof?
Speaker 1: You know, like we think of highest ceiling and for
Speaker 1: Tyreek Hill and everything that he is. You know, again,
Speaker 1: you just mentioned like Jalen Waddle and the Tyreek Hill comparisons.
Speaker 1: Would Tyreek Hill be the same player if he wasn't
Speaker 1: attached to Patrick Mahomes Like you know it, is Jalen
Speaker 1: Waddle completely landing spot proof? Or do you think that
Speaker 1: he's really going to have to fall into a really
Speaker 1: good situation in order to reach that highest ceiling and
Speaker 1: be the best wide receiver in this class two years
Speaker 1: down the road. That's such a tough question, Yates, because
Speaker 1: I mean nobody was talking about Tyreek's Hill situation when
Speaker 1: he landed in Kansas City, right It's one of those
Speaker 1: things where you know, if if I had to answer
Speaker 1: you right now, I definitely want to see where he
Speaker 1: and how that coaching staff is going to utilize his talents.
Speaker 1: I think with Tyreek Kale. It's the perfect blend of
Speaker 1: a coaching staff that uses a player to the best
Speaker 1: of their ability and a generational quarterback at the helm
Speaker 1: who doesn't mind chunking it deep. So, um, you know,
Speaker 1: I if Waddle lands with Detroit Lions and he's got
Speaker 1: you know, Jared Goff throwing to him or whomever, I
Speaker 1: do think he's a bit landing spot dependent. And after
Speaker 1: a couple of these wide receivers, I think a lot
Speaker 1: of them are landing spot dependent for fantasy ceiling. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I'm gonna go with you know, and you look
Speaker 1: at the top four, you know, consensus players, and I
Speaker 1: think it's the same for both of us, where we
Speaker 1: have Jamar Chase, Jalen Waddle, Davante Smith, and Rashad Bateman
Speaker 1: in some form in some order there. So I think
Speaker 1: it would be easy to say any of these guys
Speaker 1: would have the highest ceiling, you know, like they're incredibly
Speaker 1: talented prospects. But I wanted to go a little bit
Speaker 1: outside the box here with answering this, and I wanted
Speaker 1: to say Dwayne Eskirts the wide receiver out of Western Michigan.
Speaker 1: And I'm gonna say that because I think it's all
Speaker 1: relative to where his you know, consensus opinion is on him,
Speaker 1: like his ECR, his expert consensus ranking, which we do
Speaker 1: here at Fantasy pros, it's outside the top ten wide
Speaker 1: receivers in this class. So when I think of the
Speaker 1: highest ceiling, of course, I'm going to give the nod
Speaker 1: to one of those guys at the top that we
Speaker 1: talked about, But yet in comparison to his floor and
Speaker 1: the consensus opinion on him right now, I'm gonna say
Speaker 1: Duyne Escridge because I think that he can land in
Speaker 1: any situation and be utilized in a variety of different ways.
Speaker 1: He can be used as that field stretching option that
Speaker 1: we talked about on our last podcast, saying that he
Speaker 1: can be the pure speed guy, he can open everything
Speaker 1: else up for an offense, or he can be utilized
Speaker 1: underneath in a system that relies heavily on rack on
Speaker 1: run after the catchability and he can just pick up
Speaker 1: that easy yardage with his speed. So I'm going to
Speaker 1: say Dwayne Eskridge here just because I think it's all
Speaker 1: it's all relative, with the disclaimer, it's all relative to
Speaker 1: where his consensus opinion is now. But if you want
Speaker 1: to say, like, look ahead two years, a year down
Speaker 1: the road, who has the you know, who's considered the
Speaker 1: best receiver in this class. I'm gonna say it's either
Speaker 1: Jalen Waddle or Jamar Chase. Yeah, I think we'll be
Speaker 1: talking about Dwayne Estridge on the on the next superlative.
Speaker 1: So I definitely think that he has a ceiling um.
Speaker 1: I also think he's got a pretty low floor. And
Speaker 1: that's why, Yeah, that's why for me, the lowest floor
Speaker 1: wide receiver for me is Estridge. Now that's taken into
Speaker 1: consideration that I do think he's gonna get pretty good
Speaker 1: draft capital, um. And when that happens during the NFL Draft,
Speaker 1: he's going to be elevated in rookie drafts. He's going
Speaker 1: his stock is going to increase. I mean, this is
Speaker 1: a player that that you know, it took him a
Speaker 1: long time to get to this point. I mean he
Speaker 1: was in college for what five six years? Um, So
Speaker 1: he's a speed maven. He's got he's got he's got
Speaker 1: good short area agility, he's got great acceleration. But he's
Speaker 1: a player that if if he does not fire in
Speaker 1: that role like early, I think he's a guy that
Speaker 1: could just be lost. We've seen these speed guys come
Speaker 1: in and just not not materialize the way that we
Speaker 1: thought they could. Because he's not gonna be some possession receiver.
Speaker 1: He's not gonna be well. At worst case scenario, he
Speaker 1: may be canturned into DeVante Parker. I think he's either
Speaker 1: gonna he's either going to have to hit in that
Speaker 1: role in early or we could not be talking about.
Speaker 1: I think the pendulum for Estridge is so far in
Speaker 1: either direction. Either he's going to be absolutely fantastic or
Speaker 1: he's going to be terrible. Like I really think those
Speaker 1: are the two outcomes. I think he's either gonna be really,
Speaker 1: really good or he's gonna stink and there's not gonna
Speaker 1: be any middle ground with him. That's a great point.
Speaker 1: I mean, we get to these guys in the second
Speaker 1: third round of the NFL Draft, and we continuously see
Speaker 1: it with first round receivers where they're given opportunity after
Speaker 1: opportunity to you know, regain what they what the NFL
Speaker 1: thought of them. You know, we saw it with guys
Speaker 1: like Corey Coleman and Josh Doxton. You know, they continuously
Speaker 1: got those second chances in the second third round. If
Speaker 1: you don't hit right away. If you aren't able to
Speaker 1: solidify your role on an NFL roster, then you're expendable.
Speaker 1: You can easily see then the team bring in other
Speaker 1: players and other pieces, like for example, I mean Denzel Mims.
Speaker 1: Like we Denzel Mims last year's second round pick out
Speaker 1: of Baylor going to New York, and we talked about him,
Speaker 1: saying like, hey, he's gonna have a quarterback upgrade, like
Speaker 1: his situation could drastically improve. And now you know he
Speaker 1: was looking to be the wide receiver one on that team.
Speaker 1: Now you've got Corey davisontown, You've got Keelan Cole, Jamison
Speaker 1: Crowder is still there. Now it's suddenly a crowded depth chart.
Speaker 1: And I still believe that Denzel Mims is going to
Speaker 1: be heavily involved and he's going to be relevant. But
Speaker 1: yet I'm just saying, like, the situations can change so
Speaker 1: much year to year, and that is part of the
Speaker 1: fun of dynasty and what it brings. But yet, yeah,
Speaker 1: if you aren't able to solidify your role on a
Speaker 1: roster quickly, I do agree with you that there is
Speaker 1: a possibility that we look back in a year and say,
Speaker 1: you know what, he just wasn't able to hold onto
Speaker 1: that roster spot. The team had a ton of cap
Speaker 1: that he got drafted too, had a ton of draft
Speaker 1: salary cap room. Excuse me. The next year and they
Speaker 1: brought into high profile wide receivers you know, in free agency,
Speaker 1: and now suddenly he's a depth piece. I totally get it.
Speaker 1: The guy that I will bring up is Kadarius Tony,
Speaker 1: and this is for a little bit of a different
Speaker 1: reason where I think Tony is going to get the
Speaker 1: draft capital where he's continuously talked about in the back
Speaker 1: end of the first round, early second round, but yet
Speaker 1: it has to do with his usage and how I
Speaker 1: still think that he has a lot that he has
Speaker 1: to develop in. And we just did an NFL mock draft,
Speaker 1: a two round for the Fantasy Pros Football podcast the
Speaker 1: main podcast here earlier today with some awesome guests, and
Speaker 1: I in the second round, I took Kadarius Tony to
Speaker 1: Jacksonville with pick number forty five overall, and you know,
Speaker 1: putting him with urban Meyer and urban Meyer love speed
Speaker 1: and everything like this, Well, at that point, there's really
Speaker 1: not a clear role for him on the depth chart,
Speaker 1: and he's going to be kind of this like manufacturer
Speaker 1: touches kind of guy. I think that there is a
Speaker 1: possibility that Tony, for everything that he is being built
Speaker 1: up to be, and he has his doubters, he has
Speaker 1: his naysayers, but yet for everything that he is being
Speaker 1: built up to be, there is a possibility that he
Speaker 1: never takes that official step forward to being a refined
Speaker 1: route runner and someone who you can rely on out
Speaker 1: of the slot. So I think lowest floor in this
Speaker 1: class is Cadarius Tony. I think that he has a
Speaker 1: very high ceiling. But yeah, I do say I really
Speaker 1: do have my reservations about Tony and his full term projection. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, Tony's another one of those guys, like he's
Speaker 1: not gonna be a possession guy. This class is filled
Speaker 1: up with slat receivers that they're either they're either going
Speaker 1: to be very very good for us in fantasy or
Speaker 1: we're just they're just going to be better NFL players
Speaker 1: and not really what we want for fantasy production. And
Speaker 1: I definitely think that Tony fits that mold. You know,
Speaker 1: he did check in a little bit bigger and weigh
Speaker 1: a little bit more than I thought he would at
Speaker 1: his pro day, so that roads well for him. But yeah, man,
Speaker 1: you know, and we talked about this. We may have
Speaker 1: talked about this on the last show. But he's a
Speaker 1: player that he was a high school quarterback coming out,
Speaker 1: so he's just really learning the receiver position. So we'll
Speaker 1: see how that development goes. But if he gets that
Speaker 1: early NFL draft capital, we're all going to expect him
Speaker 1: to produce early and if that doesn't happen, things could
Speaker 1: get ugly real quick. There was a player that I
Speaker 1: was considering putting here for the lowest floor and I
Speaker 1: didn't end up doing it because Tony seemed to look
Speaker 1: a little bit more obvious of an answer. But I
Speaker 1: want your opinion really quick on Terris Marshall Junior, the
Speaker 1: wide receiver out of LSU. As far as I've classified
Speaker 1: him as a boom bust prospect now, he has the
Speaker 1: every athletic trait that you look for. He has tremendous size,
Speaker 1: He can win on the outside, he can win from
Speaker 1: the slot. He was moved all around, and I talked
Speaker 1: about him as that best field stretcher, bringing in the
Speaker 1: point of his size and athleticism. But yet does have
Speaker 1: some drops that he has to worry about. He's not
Speaker 1: a refined route runner. He runs a little bit stiff.
Speaker 1: Based on my evaluation, he is gonna have to be
Speaker 1: utilized heavily downfield. Like, do you think that it's fair
Speaker 1: to say that he has a low floor or do
Speaker 1: you feel personally that you know what, Terris Marshall tremendous
Speaker 1: ceiling And I really don't see that there's much downside
Speaker 1: to him to drafting him in your rookie drifts at all.
Speaker 1: Hell yeah there's downside. I mean, I don't think he's
Speaker 1: some home run lock player either. I mean I like
Speaker 1: him quite a bit. And I know there's a ton
Speaker 1: of Terris Marshall love floating around right now. Why that's
Speaker 1: why I talked about it. It's crazy on Twitter right now.
Speaker 1: It just seemed like it happened out of nowhere. I
Speaker 1: like the player. I think he's a very good player.
Speaker 1: I have him right outside of my top five. But
Speaker 1: I do not think he's some lock. And I do
Speaker 1: think that this Listen, every wide receiver that comes out
Speaker 1: of LSU is not the second coming of Randy Moss.
Speaker 1: It's just not okay. So I think he's being propelled
Speaker 1: a little bit by that. And he was very talented
Speaker 1: he was a highly touted high school prospect, but I
Speaker 1: do not think he's some can't in this prospect no way,
Speaker 1: all right, perfect, So I wanted to include him there
Speaker 1: just because I do feel like the hype has gotten
Speaker 1: a little bit too far on Jarvis Marshall, and I
Speaker 1: feel like there are certain things, like certain players that
Speaker 1: come out and the hype just gets crazy, and I
Speaker 1: feel like I am the one who is holding onto
Speaker 1: the Macy's Day balloon, you know, the parade and that
Speaker 1: you got the huge balloons and stuff like that, and
Speaker 1: one of the ropes gets cut, and I'm just the
Speaker 1: one guy who's like hanging on as this balloon is
Speaker 1: like just flying away as the hype is just escalating.
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm the one guy who's like, no,
Speaker 1: let's not get too carried away here. I wanted to
Speaker 1: bring him up to see if you were if you
Speaker 1: were in that same camp there. So all right, let's
Speaker 1: move on to toughest evaluation here. Now, this was a
Speaker 1: really interesting one for the running back position that we
Speaker 1: talked about. There are some really really tough evaluations in
Speaker 1: this wide receiver class, and it has a lot to
Speaker 1: do with the prototypes that we've gotten this, as you mentioned,
Speaker 1: a lot of slot receivers, but there are some extenuating
Speaker 1: circumstances and we're gonna talk about that with two of
Speaker 1: these guys here. So who is your guy for toughest evaluation?
Speaker 1: For me? That was Florida state wide receiver to Marion Terry.
Speaker 1: He was the toughest eval for me because you go
Speaker 1: back and you look at what he did in twenty
Speaker 1: eighteen and twenty nineteen, and you read all the reports
Speaker 1: about him being, you know, six foot three. At one
Speaker 1: point he was listed at two hundred and twenty pounds
Speaker 1: with the potential that he can run a four three
Speaker 1: forty yard dash. Just freaky athlete. I had said that
Speaker 1: multiple times, and I thought he was a freak athlete.
Speaker 1: But then he comes in smaller, much smaller than we thought.
Speaker 1: He was not nearly as athletic as he was, and
Speaker 1: then he barely played in twenty twenty. He suffered from
Speaker 1: the Florida state mess that had gone on over the
Speaker 1: past couple of years. Yeah, and that just for me,
Speaker 1: it's like, I want to love the prospect of what
Speaker 1: he could become, but he's smaller, he's slower, he's not
Speaker 1: as athletic as we all thought, and there are questions
Speaker 1: about other things off the field to where it's hard
Speaker 1: for me to have tomorrow on Terry, Like I don't
Speaker 1: even think he's a Day two pick. He's gonna be
Speaker 1: a Day three pick. And there's gonna have to be
Speaker 1: a lot of things that go right for Terry to
Speaker 1: get an opportunity to produce for us. So for me,
Speaker 1: I want to love the idea of this player and
Speaker 1: what I think he could become, but the reality is
Speaker 1: he's not the same player that I thought he was
Speaker 1: based on some of his measurables that it made it
Speaker 1: really tough for me to properly evaluate and rank him.
Speaker 1: I just finished writing up my tomoron Terry prospect profile.
Speaker 1: We've been doing extensive rookie profiles over on fantasypros dot com.
Speaker 1: I highly urge you to go check those out. You
Speaker 1: can find those over on my Twitter at Kyle Hye NFL.
Speaker 1: I'm tweeting those out. We've got the top fifty prospects
Speaker 1: that you're gonna need for dynasty purposes, and we're going
Speaker 1: in depth. It's got all my scouting notes and everything
Speaker 1: like that. And I wrote up Terry and I was saying, like,
Speaker 1: as far as the projected draft range, is one of
Speaker 1: the little headers in there the categories, And I said, like, legitimately,
Speaker 1: I don't know, because there are a lot of extenuating
Speaker 1: circumstances here where you look. Yet, the fact that he
Speaker 1: left the program at Florida State this last year, it
Speaker 1: wasn't that he like completely just opted out or that
Speaker 1: he declared early for the No, he like completely left
Speaker 1: the program. And so this is a situation where, Okay,
Speaker 1: how do NFL teams view that? Because from the talent perspective, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that he's worthy of a Day two pick
Speaker 1: somewhere in that range. But yet, now do NFL teams
Speaker 1: become concerned about that? You know, I think that, and
Speaker 1: I think that he's going to have to land in
Speaker 1: the perfect spot for him to be a top tier
Speaker 1: Fantasy contributor. Now, he's still six two two oh seven
Speaker 1: was what he measured in at. That's still a really
Speaker 1: good size for an outside receiver. Like, he's not too
Speaker 1: twenty of course, and he ran a four four to four.
Speaker 1: That's still solid athleticism. It'll work, it'll play in the NFL.
Speaker 1: But yet he's not definitely what we thought that he
Speaker 1: was listed at for all the reasons that you mentioned,
Speaker 1: but then also the off the field stuff where you
Speaker 1: just go, what was that situation that makes it a really,
Speaker 1: really difficult evaluation. I agree with you there. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: go with Nico Collins, the wide receiver out of Michigan.
Speaker 1: Nico Collins, high recruit coming out of high school, four
Speaker 1: star or five star recruit coming out just put on
Speaker 1: a show at the Michigan Pro Day. Very very athletic receiver.
Speaker 1: You see it on his tape all the time. Now,
Speaker 1: I'm talking about him as a tough evaluation for me
Speaker 1: because the quarterback play was just atrocious with Shape Patterson,
Speaker 1: and I think we joked about it on a previous
Speaker 1: podcast right where I was like in my scouting notes
Speaker 1: for the summer, when I was watching Nico Collins, I said,
Speaker 1: need to see him play with a different quarterback than
Speaker 1: Shape Patterson because it's so difficult. He gets open deep
Speaker 1: downfield or like he's in at least has the edge
Speaker 1: on that defender and then the ball is just sailed
Speaker 1: on him by five yards or it's underthrown by five
Speaker 1: yards and you're just like, Okay, what's he supposed to do.
Speaker 1: I can't get an accurate evaluation of his ball skills,
Speaker 1: but there are the flashes. I just needed more of
Speaker 1: a sample size to be able to feel confident in
Speaker 1: his projection. Well then he opts out of twenty twenty
Speaker 1: and I never get to see him play with another quarterback.
Speaker 1: So Nico collins from me, very very tough evaluation. I
Speaker 1: want to buy in. I want to buy into the
Speaker 1: flashes that I've seen on tape. I want to buy
Speaker 1: into the athletic profile. But yet I don't know if
Speaker 1: I can completely do that because I just don't have
Speaker 1: that sample size to lean back on. Yeah, and that's
Speaker 1: what I'm banking on. I'm banking on six four two fifteen,
Speaker 1: you know, ridiculous athlete for his size and the fact
Speaker 1: that the hardball handicap has relegated a ton of talented
Speaker 1: players to oblivion. So I'm just that's what I'm banking on.
Speaker 1: But I definitely understand it is tough. I think it's
Speaker 1: tough evaluating any offensive skill position coming out of Michigan
Speaker 1: over the past couple of years, and it looks like
Speaker 1: for the foreseeable future, so tough. But I'll say this
Speaker 1: I'd rather bank on Nico Collins at this point than
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Speaker 1: you saw the athleticism, you saw what he did at
Speaker 1: his pro day. Tremendous numbers there. So all right, let's
Speaker 1: go with our We've gotten just two more of these
Speaker 1: we're rolling here. Let's go with favorite Day three wide receiver.
Speaker 1: Looking at the players that we know are going to
Speaker 1: go on Day three, they're unlikely to make it in
Speaker 1: rounds two or three of the NFL Draft. Let's say
Speaker 1: favorite Day three wide receiver. And if this is the
Speaker 1: are you sticking with the name that you've got on
Speaker 1: our sheet? No? I changed it? Oh damn okay, well
Speaker 1: I was gonna say that you stumped me. I did
Speaker 1: not even know the name that you had there, So
Speaker 1: maybe if you want to just mention the name. But
Speaker 1: then Mike Stratching from the College of Charleston, he's He's
Speaker 1: the player that I had on that list, a small
Speaker 1: school prospect that absolutely lit up his his his pro
Speaker 1: day workouts. He was he was incredible at Charleston, and
Speaker 1: he's a player that you know, he's one of those
Speaker 1: guys where you probably won't even have to draft him
Speaker 1: in a four round rookie draft, but you can get
Speaker 1: him off with waivers, and I promise you I will
Speaker 1: be adding him every single dynasty league that I'm in. So, uh,
Speaker 1: Mike Stratching from the College of Charleston, So just remember
Speaker 1: that name. I'll just give you props, man, because I've
Speaker 1: got like forty to fifty wide receivers on my list
Speaker 1: of players that i'm you know, scouting, and I've through
Speaker 1: twenty eight of them right now. He was not on
Speaker 1: my list at all. I had not I had never
Speaker 1: even heard his name, So props there, man. Okay, so
Speaker 1: who did you Who did you have? Who do you have?
Speaker 1: Is your favorite Day three wide receiver? So I switched
Speaker 1: it because if I'm gonna miss I'm gonna miss fast.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna miss big and slow, and Mike isn't
Speaker 1: isn't big war slow. He's not slow at all. But
Speaker 1: if I'm gonna miss on a Day three guy, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna miss fast. And there aren't many faster than Auburn's
Speaker 1: wide receiver Anthony Schwartz went out there and dropped a
Speaker 1: four two, which which what's crazy about that is people
Speaker 1: were disappointed in the four two because he is truly,
Speaker 1: uh he has Olympic speed, right, like truly he's he's
Speaker 1: that fast. Now, he's not a refined route runner. He's
Speaker 1: not the biggest wide receiver at one hundred and eighty
Speaker 1: five hundred and eighty six pounds, But when you're just
Speaker 1: talking about an ability to stretch the field, if he
Speaker 1: is picked, you know, round four, round five, I think
Speaker 1: he's going to find a role on an NFL team.
Speaker 1: That role probably will not consist of a lot of
Speaker 1: target volume early, but seeing a player like Schwartz get
Speaker 1: on the field and utilize some of his speed, you know,
Speaker 1: he could be a guy that in a couple of
Speaker 1: years we're looking at is a nice, nice flex position play,
Speaker 1: is a deep threat option. So I really like Anthony
Speaker 1: Schwartz who ran a four to seven and people were
Speaker 1: very disappointed. Yeah, it's crazy that he runs a four
Speaker 1: two seven, And I mean he was in the conversation
Speaker 1: for breaking the record. So and when you watch his tape,
Speaker 1: that shows up he's a big play waiting to happen.
Speaker 1: So I think it's a little bit what's his role?
Speaker 1: Is he going to be completely relegated to just nine
Speaker 1: routes right, and just being that guy who opens everything
Speaker 1: else up for the offense or is he more refined
Speaker 1: than that? And can he become more of a like
Speaker 1: scheme touches guy or even a slot receiver that you
Speaker 1: can use to stretch the field out of the slot.
Speaker 1: So have some questions there, but that's the reason why
Speaker 1: he's going on day three. If you're like you said,
Speaker 1: if you're gonna be bet on speed, their NFL teams
Speaker 1: love them some speed, I'm gonna go with this is
Speaker 1: just like my guy in day three. That's Jayalen Darden,
Speaker 1: the wide receiver out of North Texas, leaving North Texas
Speaker 1: as the most productive receiver that they've ever had, hold
Speaker 1: school records in both in all receptions, receiving yards, and touchdowns.
Speaker 1: Just absolutely came alive in twenty twenty despite some terrible
Speaker 1: quarterback play you watch you watch his film, and the
Speaker 1: balls barely getting to him and he's still making things happen.
Speaker 1: Shifty if you are not talking about Jayalen darn if
Speaker 1: you're talking about Jaylen Darden and you are not including
Speaker 1: the words shifty or elusive, you're doing it incorrectly. This
Speaker 1: guy is just able to create on his own no
Speaker 1: matter the competition. I have no concerns about him making
Speaker 1: that jump from North Texas. Not might take him a
Speaker 1: little bit, It might take him just a year or
Speaker 1: two to maybe even get that adjusted to the NFL speed.
Speaker 1: But yet he's got plenty of speed on his own.
Speaker 1: And you brought it up in the It was an
Speaker 1: interview that Jamar Chase was doing with the Move the
Speaker 1: Sticks podcasting of Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks, and he was asked, like,
Speaker 1: who is he training with right now that's really catching
Speaker 1: his eye? And he pointed out j I think he
Speaker 1: called him j D. He didn't know his name, but
Speaker 1: JD from North Texas, And of course then we can
Speaker 1: say that's Jalen Darden. So when Jamar Chase, who we
Speaker 1: just finished talking about, has like the highest ceiling and
Speaker 1: is the best contested catch receiver, the wide receiver one
Speaker 1: arguably in this class, and he's pointing out Jayalen Darden
Speaker 1: like that is something to take note of. And I'm
Speaker 1: a big fan of his tape. I think that he
Speaker 1: is going to step onto an NFL field and fill
Speaker 1: a valuable slot role and someone who can just create
Speaker 1: and pick up yardage on his own. So Jayalen Darden
Speaker 1: my favorite Day three wide receiver. I love it, man,
Speaker 1: I'm a big fan of Jaylen Darden. He's he's one
Speaker 1: of those guys who's going to go on Day three
Speaker 1: and much like and I think he's a better wide receiver,
Speaker 1: you know, when you're talking about everything that a wide
Speaker 1: receiver and come this route running separation cans Than and
Speaker 1: Anthony Schwartz, right, I think he's a better wide receiver. Um.
Speaker 1: So he's somebody, you know, if he can find a
Speaker 1: role in the slot as a stretch slot, as somebody
Speaker 1: who can get down the field who they can get
Speaker 1: the ball quickly too. He's one of those players who
Speaker 1: early in his career can make an impact on an
Speaker 1: NFL team and then hopefully down the line be a
Speaker 1: be a fantasy producer for us. So I like it absolutely.
Speaker 1: All right, let's go with our final superlative and then
Speaker 1: we're gonna get to our top ten rankings here of
Speaker 1: this class. Let's go with your guy, the my guy
Speaker 1: of this class. We did this with the running back
Speaker 1: class and you took I think you had did you
Speaker 1: have Naji Harris as your guy? I think had he
Speaker 1: I think I had I think I had Elijah. Oh
Speaker 1: you guys, Yeah yeah, you had Elijah Elijah. Yeah yeah you.
Speaker 1: So let's go with your guy of this class at
Speaker 1: the wide receiver position. Who is this guy that you
Speaker 1: are standing on the table for. You're putting your name by,
Speaker 1: You're saying that this guy, you know, I'm putting all
Speaker 1: my chips in and saying that this guy is going
Speaker 1: to succeed in the NFL. Who is it? Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna get cute here. I'm going with the slim reaper,
Speaker 1: Davante Smith out of Alabama. He's taken a lot of
Speaker 1: criticism over being skinny. I don't care, and you shouldn't
Speaker 1: care either. He's I think he's the best receiver that
Speaker 1: Alabama has had since Amari Cooper. It's better than Henry Ruggs.
Speaker 1: I believe he's better than Jerry Judy. He's better than
Speaker 1: Jalen Waddle. His ability to contest contested catch, his route
Speaker 1: running ability, his shoulder dips, the way he creates separation.
Speaker 1: I've heard from multiple people who played high level college football,
Speaker 1: some who played in the NFL who have who have
Speaker 1: personally told me this dude is the real deal. Do
Speaker 1: not get it twisted. He's physical for his size, He's
Speaker 1: a gazelle. I mean he eats up so much ground
Speaker 1: with his leg turnover. His hands are impeccable for as
Speaker 1: skinny as he is. And people want to make the
Speaker 1: argument that he can't withstand punishment. He's barely missed any
Speaker 1: time in his collegiate career four years at Alabama, absolute dominant.
Speaker 1: He is the player that I don't care where he
Speaker 1: lands or what anybody says. That's my dude. And there
Speaker 1: are going to be some people who are like, well, Ray,
Speaker 1: it's easy to pick a top three wide receiver in
Speaker 1: this class and say that he's your guy. But in
Speaker 1: your defense, man, you've had you've been pounding this drum
Speaker 1: for the past year. You've been saying that it maybe
Speaker 1: even longer, that Devonte Smith is going to be incredibly productive,
Speaker 1: that he's just going to be the dude in the NFL.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I love the call there with Devontae Smith.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with the guy who I've got is
Speaker 1: a top five wide receiver in this class. And people
Speaker 1: think that I'm almost swore on the on the podcast,
Speaker 1: saying that I'm crazy and that's Dwayne Eskridge, right wide
Speaker 1: receiver out of Western Michigan that you know we talked
Speaker 1: about him. That just speed and not only is he
Speaker 1: just a pure speed guy, but he can create after
Speaker 1: the catch. But then he just creates separation at every
Speaker 1: level of the field. And that's something that I value very,
Speaker 1: very highly in my evaluation process, and that comes to
Speaker 1: at the line of scrimmage. Incredibly twitchy at the line
Speaker 1: of scrimmage, the best, in my opinion, one of the
Speaker 1: best releases in this in this entire class as far
Speaker 1: as being able to get off press, and Dwayne Eskridge
Speaker 1: brings it all to the table. Now, he needs to
Speaker 1: refine a little bit of his hands, and he has
Speaker 1: a couple of drops that are concerning. But yet I
Speaker 1: think that that can be ironed out, and I think
Speaker 1: that he's going to land in a perfect I think
Speaker 1: he's gonna get the draft capital that's going to be
Speaker 1: valuable for fantasy football. So I'm gonna put my name
Speaker 1: by Dwayne Eskridge and say that he is going to
Speaker 1: be productive in the NFL. We'll see what that turns into.
Speaker 1: We'll see what his landing spot looks like. Here in
Speaker 1: just a few weeks. But Dwayne Eskrids wide receiver out
Speaker 1: of Western Michigan is my guy. There. It is brothers
Speaker 1: stand standing on the table and panel for your guy.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm talking about. Ye people think, people do
Speaker 1: think you're crazy, but I don't, Yeates, I don't think
Speaker 1: you're crazy. And I think after he gets the draft Capital,
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna be drafted relatively high. Man. So hey,
Speaker 1: you gotta you gotta trust your process and stick to
Speaker 1: what you believe and what you scout on film, and
Speaker 1: that's all you can do. And I love the fact
Speaker 1: that you have not succumbed to the echo chamber of
Speaker 1: Twitter and you've held true to your kings. Man, I
Speaker 1: don't hate it. Yeah, I'm gonna say that really quick.
Speaker 1: For anyone who is like listening in either does scouting
Speaker 1: on their own or wants to get into scouting, like
Speaker 1: this is a crucial part where do not be swayed
Speaker 1: from everything that you read on Twitter or everything that
Speaker 1: you read from other NFL analysts or anything like that. Like,
Speaker 1: stick true to your process, go through it, trust in
Speaker 1: what you're trust in your eyes and what you see,
Speaker 1: and then get through that season that next season, get
Speaker 1: through the NFL draft, see where the draft capital is.
Speaker 1: If the player that you thought you had as a
Speaker 1: top five wide receiver he gets drafted in the sixth round, Okay,
Speaker 1: well you might need to go back and reevaluate some things.
Speaker 1: But then get through that next year and say, okay,
Speaker 1: what can I learn from that miss? That is the
Speaker 1: way to do it, rather than you know. I have
Speaker 1: Terris Marshall, and we'll talk about him in just a second. Like,
Speaker 1: I'm not very high on Terris Marshall. Now, I get
Speaker 1: the appeal, I get the upside, but yeah, I think
Speaker 1: that he does have a low floor. And that's accounted
Speaker 1: for in my rankings. With all the hype that is
Speaker 1: going on on Twitter right now, I'm not adjusting. I
Speaker 1: haven't sat down and I have not adjusted my rankings.
Speaker 1: A perfect example is the quarterbacks too. I have Zach
Speaker 1: Wilson at QB four in this class. I have Trey
Speaker 1: Lance at QB two, right neck and neck with Trevor Lawrence.
Speaker 1: I throughout this entire process where we've seen Zach Wilson
Speaker 1: rise to QB two and Trey Lance is now in
Speaker 1: the conversation of it, maybe outside the top ten. I
Speaker 1: haven't adjusted. I haven't looked at that at all. I
Speaker 1: will adjust later on when I have the data and
Speaker 1: information in my hand where I can say, okay, here
Speaker 1: are some holes in my process that I need to
Speaker 1: shape up, shore up, and then I'll adjust then. But
Speaker 1: do not be swayed, and do not just kind of
Speaker 1: go with the wind here. Stick true to what you see,
Speaker 1: what your eyes tell you, and then we'll see what
Speaker 1: happens with it, and then you go from there. Okay,
Speaker 1: all right, let's go with our top ten rankings here.
Speaker 1: Let's go ten through six. Ray, I'm going to throw
Speaker 1: it to you first. Your number ten wide receiver counts
Speaker 1: down from ten to six. All right. At ten, I
Speaker 1: have Darius Tony out of Florida. Nine Dan Annie Brown
Speaker 1: wide receiver out in North Carolina. Eight Elijah Moore wide receiver.
Speaker 1: Oh miss, I'm in Ross Saint Brown out of USC.
Speaker 1: And then six I have Terris Marshall Junior out of LSU. Okay,
Speaker 1: I have At ten, I have Dami Brown wide receiver
Speaker 1: out of North Carolina. At nine, I have Terris Marshall Junior,
Speaker 1: the wide receiver out of LSU. Again, I see a
Speaker 1: low floor there, but I do get the upside trying
Speaker 1: to land in the middle. There. Number eight, I'm on
Speaker 1: Ross Saint Brown wide receiver, USC, number seven, Rondale Moore
Speaker 1: wide receiver out of Purdue, and then number six Kadarius
Speaker 1: Tony wide receiver out of Florida. Let's go five through one,
Speaker 1: ray all right? At five, I've got Rashad Bateman wide
Speaker 1: receiver Minnesota, at four, Jalen Wattle Alabama, three, Rondel Moore Purdue,
Speaker 1: and then at one and one I have Devanta Smith
Speaker 1: and Jamar Chase. There is no two. I don't have too.
Speaker 1: I've got one, one, three, four, five. That's how my
Speaker 1: rankings go, and I'm sticking to it. Chase and Smith
Speaker 1: are at the top of the class for me. Very fair,
Speaker 1: all right for me, I've got Duayne Eskerts at wide
Speaker 1: receiver five, Rashad Bateman at number four, Davante Smith at
Speaker 1: wide receiver three, Jalen Waddle at two, in Jamar Chase
Speaker 1: at one. I will say, though, that DeVante Smith and
Speaker 1: Jalen Waddle spit out the exact same film grade. For me.
Speaker 1: I'm just giving this light edge there to Jalen Waddle.
Speaker 1: But those are essentially a tier it's Jamar Chase, Jaylen Waddle,
Speaker 1: Davante Smith in the same tier for me, Rossa Bateman
Speaker 1: slightly below it. So all right, So that does it
Speaker 1: for our wide receiver evaluation portion of the podcast. Guys,
Speaker 1: thank you so much for listening. We are now through
Speaker 1: running back wide receiver. We've still got to get through
Speaker 1: quarterback and tight end. Of course, we will get to
Speaker 1: that before the NFL Draft. We're got some mock drafts
Speaker 1: here coming up here later on next week that we'll
Speaker 1: get to and we'll lead you right up to the
Speaker 1: NFL Draft. Ray, how do you feel about the wide
Speaker 1: receiver talk that we had here the conversation? And then
Speaker 1: are you excited for what we've got moving forward? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I feel I feel good about the wide receivers. It's
Speaker 1: deep there players. You know, for the most part, we
Speaker 1: had the same guys in our top ten, just in
Speaker 1: different orders minus literally a player your yeah, my Elijah,
Speaker 1: more for your Duayne Ashkridge. But I mean, I feel
Speaker 1: good about the class and moving forward, I think we're
Speaker 1: going to have a really good debate about some of
Speaker 1: these quarterbacks. Tight ends maybe not so much, but we'll
Speaker 1: make it. We'll make it actionable. For y'all. Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1: And I will just say too that I am in
Speaker 1: the process of factoring in the athletic scoring. Normally I
Speaker 1: would have this done by you know, early March, but
Speaker 1: of course with all the Pro Day spread out that has,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm still gathering all that information, so that
Speaker 1: order might change a little bit for me. We should do,
Speaker 1: like Ray, we should do another episode right before the
Speaker 1: NFL Draft where we just go like here aur final
Speaker 1: rankings or something like that, just to make sure that
Speaker 1: we keep everyone updated. But I've got big boards that
Speaker 1: come out over on Fantasypros dot Com. I've got you know,
Speaker 1: dynasty big boards everything like that. So if you ever
Speaker 1: have questions about my rankings and where I've got a
Speaker 1: certain player, of course, you can hit me up on
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