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Speaker 1: Kyle Yates and I am your host and I'm joined
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Speaker 1: All right, Ray, let's kick off the conversation here with
Speaker 1: the tight Ends, and we got we got to start
Speaker 1: the conversation off with the Unicorn. He sits at number
Speaker 1: two overall on my big board, like my overall big
Speaker 1: board of offensive tackles, quarterbacks, everything. It's Kyle Pitts, the
Speaker 1: tight End out of Florida. And if you've listened to
Speaker 1: this podcast for any length of time, you know the name.
Speaker 1: If you paid attention to the NFL Draft, you know
Speaker 1: the name of Kyle Pitts. But just give us a summary.
Speaker 1: Here ray the elevator pitch of what Pitts brings to
Speaker 1: an NFL team, and then we'll talk about the fantasy impact.
Speaker 1: But let's get a sense of what Pitts is, who
Speaker 1: he is, and what he brings to an NFL team. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's the ultimate mismatch nightmare. That's the that's the simplest
Speaker 1: way to explain it. If you have not seen this
Speaker 1: player move, if you haven't seen him operate on the field,
Speaker 1: He's too big for cornerbacks, he's too fast for linebackers.
Speaker 1: Safeties really can't stick with him. I mean, at the
Speaker 1: point the number one projected number one corner at least
Speaker 1: one of the top corners in the twenty twenty one
Speaker 1: NFL draft, Jac Horn, They're having to lock him up
Speaker 1: man to man against Kyle Pitts. You see a guy,
Speaker 1: you know, Derek Stingley Junior, is a top rated cornerback
Speaker 1: in the twenty twenty two class from LSU. They had
Speaker 1: to put him on Kyle Pitts to just cover him.
Speaker 1: He's he is monstrous. He's a freak. He moves like
Speaker 1: a wide receiver, but he plays this move tight end
Speaker 1: position and he's actually a lot better in line than
Speaker 1: people give him credit for. We saw his you know,
Speaker 1: athletic profile at the Pro Day. He's just he's crazy,
Speaker 1: He's ridiculous. He's as a freak, freak tight end. Standing
Speaker 1: at six six, two hundred and forty five pounds, he
Speaker 1: should not be able to move the way that he does.
Speaker 1: And so when you see a guy like that and
Speaker 1: you mentioned just a mismatch nightmare at every level of
Speaker 1: the field. This is not just someone who you are
Speaker 1: going to feed the ball underneath and he's just going
Speaker 1: to be a chain mover. No, you can get him
Speaker 1: out on posts like, you can send him on go routes,
Speaker 1: nine routes like, get him out down field, and you
Speaker 1: won't have an answer for him. NFL defenses will not
Speaker 1: have an answer for Kyle pitts Now in the NFL draft.
Speaker 1: And let's talk about this before we move on to
Speaker 1: the fantasy just aspect of this, Kyle pitts Is stands
Speaker 1: a very good chance of going at number four overall
Speaker 1: to the Atlanta Falcons. Like I think that he's going
Speaker 1: to be off the board at the latest number six overall,
Speaker 1: and that's just not really normal for a tight end.
Speaker 1: T J. Hawkinson at number eight overall a couple of
Speaker 1: years ago to the Detroit Lions, and that was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: that's a little rich for a guy like t J. Hawkinson. Yes,
Speaker 1: he's great in a well rounded prospect, but Pitts is
Speaker 1: just that on a whole other level. So let's talk
Speaker 1: about the fantasy aspect of Pitts and what he brings
Speaker 1: specifically from a dynasty perspective. So we look at the
Speaker 1: rosters that have Travis Kelsey, Darren Waller, Zach Ertz when
Speaker 1: he was you know what he was with, Carson Wentz,
Speaker 1: like these main top tier guys, Rob Gronkowski for the
Speaker 1: longest time, George Kittle, all these guys, And we look
Speaker 1: at those rosters and if we do not have any
Speaker 1: of those players, we covet them right because it's just
Speaker 1: such a you set it and forget it position when
Speaker 1: you have that top tier guy rather than trying to
Speaker 1: roll the dice and figure out matchups in the streaming
Speaker 1: game with these with these lower level tight ends. So
Speaker 1: Kyle Pitts, and I'll just phrase it to you this way,
Speaker 1: what is the highest if you like, Let's take out
Speaker 1: need out of the conversation in a dynasty rookie draft.
Speaker 1: Let's say a just one QB format. What is the
Speaker 1: highest pick any rookie drop that you would be absolutely
Speaker 1: actually willing to pull the trigger, not like what you
Speaker 1: think his range is like you personally, You're sitting there
Speaker 1: on the clock. You have the one oh three, you
Speaker 1: have the one oh two? Is it one oh four?
Speaker 1: What is that range where you say this is the
Speaker 1: earliest that I'd be willing to take Kyle Pitts on
Speaker 1: the board, I probably am sitting around one oh four
Speaker 1: one oh five, that would be the earliest I would
Speaker 1: think about taking him. I'm not taking him over my
Speaker 1: top two receivers, Chason Smith, not taking him over Nagy Harris.
Speaker 1: So the conversation for me starts Travis Etan, Javanta Williams
Speaker 1: or Kyle Pitts. And I do think from a dynasty perspective,
Speaker 1: if you are a believer that he could potentially become
Speaker 1: George Kittle Travis Kelsey type impact, having a player like
Speaker 1: that on your dynasty roster is such a positional advantage.
Speaker 1: I think it's worth the risk because we don't see
Speaker 1: these type of tight ends. Yes, no offense athletic profile
Speaker 1: is there, and Vernon Davis, but we don't see these
Speaker 1: guys year after year after year after year. Pits is special.
Speaker 1: So I think running one O four, one oh five
Speaker 1: ranges where I feel comfortable taking I'm pulling a trigger. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's right around where I was. The one oh five
Speaker 1: was kind of that, Like, that's where I could stomach
Speaker 1: pulling the trigger on Kyle Pits with the positional value
Speaker 1: in mind, right, because the need for running back is
Speaker 1: so crucial, especially with some of these guys who are
Speaker 1: guaranteed like the main workload in their backfields. Now as
Speaker 1: we see more and more teams starting to go towards
Speaker 1: to committees and you're finding the workhorse, running back is
Speaker 1: kind of going out of style. So when you can
Speaker 1: get those locked in guys, which I do believe that
Speaker 1: John Tay Williams and Naji Harris are going to be,
Speaker 1: that would be a little bit more difficult for me
Speaker 1: to pull the trigger. But to be able to walk
Speaker 1: away with someone like Kyle Pits at the one oh five,
Speaker 1: regardless of need on my roster, I would feel pretty
Speaker 1: great about. Let's move on to I got like, I
Speaker 1: really don't think that we need to die too much
Speaker 1: more into Kyle Pits. We've talked about him a lot.
Speaker 1: We know that he's gonna be great, and us saying
Speaker 1: that we would take a tight end at the one
Speaker 1: oh five and a one QB format pretty much speaks
Speaker 1: to it. So let's talk about Pat Fryar Muth tight
Speaker 1: end out of Penn State. He is my tight end
Speaker 1: two in this class, and so let's talk about him
Speaker 1: and what he brings to the table. Now six five,
Speaker 1: two hundred and fifty one pounds, just a little bit
Speaker 1: heavier than Kyle Pitts one inch smaller. So Fryar Muth,
Speaker 1: in your opinion, what is going to be his best
Speaker 1: utilization in the NFL. Is he a blocking tight end
Speaker 1: or is he a like athletic could soak up targets,
Speaker 1: could be the next, you know, reliable fantasy tight end.
Speaker 1: What's kind of your outlook on Pat freymer oh Man,
Speaker 1: I listen, Pat Friar Muth is the reason why if
Speaker 1: if if I was a little reluctant to pool or
Speaker 1: hesitant to pull the trigger on Kyle Pitts at one
Speaker 1: o four one oh five, you're talking about middle of
Speaker 1: the second, back into the second, I could potentially get
Speaker 1: Pat Friar muth who if Kyle Pitts weren't in this class,
Speaker 1: he would be far and away the tight end one.
Speaker 1: He would have been tight in one last year. And
Speaker 1: if you go back two years and you throw him
Speaker 1: in a class with you know, Hockinson and Fan, I
Speaker 1: think he would have been right up there. Is well
Speaker 1: the game that sold me on friar Mus being much
Speaker 1: more than an inline tight end. And I know everyone
Speaker 1: seat has seen the truck stick that he did versus
Speaker 1: Memphis two years ago in the ball game. But go
Speaker 1: back to twenty nineteen and watch him versus Ohio State,
Speaker 1: the same Ohio State team that had Chase Young Jeff o'cuda,
Speaker 1: and I charted that game. He played in the slot,
Speaker 1: you know, thirty percent of the time he played out
Speaker 1: wide at X, he was in line, he played h
Speaker 1: back and I mean he's playing against Sean Way Jeff o'cuda.
Speaker 1: Just fantastic display of his athleticism and talent versus the
Speaker 1: Ohio State Buckeyes in that game. So when I when
Speaker 1: I saw that he's a versatile, versatile move tight end
Speaker 1: with speed, he's he's a hell of an athlete. I
Speaker 1: know there were some people who questioned it was he
Speaker 1: even gonna play football because he's a tremendous baseball player
Speaker 1: as well. But they've coined him baby Gronk and he
Speaker 1: plays really good. And you know, we talked about Kyle
Speaker 1: Pitsby in the Dynasty tight End one. Really soon, I
Speaker 1: believe Pat Fryarmouth is you're looking at a top easily
Speaker 1: a top ten future tight end in Dynasty. I really
Speaker 1: do feel bad for Pat Fryarmouth because if you did
Speaker 1: not have a player again, I'm talking about Kyle Pitts
Speaker 1: as the number two overall player on my big board
Speaker 1: as a tight end. If we didn't have him in
Speaker 1: this class, we would absolutely be talking more about Pat
Speaker 1: Fryarmouth and what he brings to the table. When you
Speaker 1: watch Kansas City Chiefs games, and those are so frequently
Speaker 1: on national television now that you're likely to just see
Speaker 1: and watch Travis Kelsey and just come away woud at
Speaker 1: his ability to move at his size. Now, Kelsey, I
Speaker 1: think is at plays at two sixty that's what he's
Speaker 1: listed at. And his ability to sink his hips and
Speaker 1: pivot and those pivot routes, right, you see that all
Speaker 1: the time with Kelsey. That is an absolute mismatch. When
Speaker 1: you have a tight end who can move the way
Speaker 1: that he does at his size, that is what we
Speaker 1: call a mismatch. You can't put a smaller corner on him.
Speaker 1: Absolutely just is not going to be able to stick
Speaker 1: with him. And then if he does stick with him
Speaker 1: for somehow, he's not going to be able to get
Speaker 1: around him to be able to get to the ball.
Speaker 1: He's going to have that big for him to block
Speaker 1: it out wide catch radius. And then so Friarmouth is
Speaker 1: very much in that mold of a Travis Kelsey. Now
Speaker 1: he's not Travis Kelsey. He's got a lot of refinements
Speaker 1: that he has to do before he gets to that level.
Speaker 1: But we're talking about a rookie coming out of out
Speaker 1: of college. Friarmouth has the potential to play that Travis
Speaker 1: Kelsey role in an NFL offense. And as NFL teams
Speaker 1: look across the league and they see what Kelsey, Kittle,
Speaker 1: Darren Waller, the what these players are doing at the
Speaker 1: tight end position, they're going to want to get their
Speaker 1: hands on him. So friar Muth in NFL mock drafts,
Speaker 1: I can see him going like he goes off the
Speaker 1: board anywhere between pick twenty three to the New York
Speaker 1: Jets who have a tight end need to I mean
Speaker 1: the middle of the second round. But I think that
Speaker 1: the middle of the second round is really his floor.
Speaker 1: I could easily see him going off the board in
Speaker 1: the first round of the twenty twenty one NFL Draft.
Speaker 1: And if that's the case, then we're talking about him
Speaker 1: as a valuable, valuable fantasy asset as a team is
Speaker 1: signaling that he is going to be a key part
Speaker 1: of their offense. You know, if he ends up in
Speaker 1: New York, they have a need there at tight end. Jacksonville,
Speaker 1: if they go offense offense, right, they take Trevor Lawrence
Speaker 1: and they double down with their second first round pick
Speaker 1: and they take Frenmouth or even at the top of
Speaker 1: the second round, that's gonna be a fantastic landing spot
Speaker 1: for Freemouth for his fantasy outlook. So we did a
Speaker 1: one QB rookie mock draft recently, right, we did that
Speaker 1: two rounder in I got Frearmouth at the two eleven,
Speaker 1: I think off the top of my head, and you know,
Speaker 1: Pitts went off at the one oh four, one oh five,
Speaker 1: and I said, given the price tag, I'm not opposed.
Speaker 1: I really was, like, he actually might lean Pat Frearmouth
Speaker 1: here at the two eleven All things considered versus spending
Speaker 1: that top five capital on Kyle Pitts. Yeah, I mean, listen,
Speaker 1: it's again, it's the reason why. And don't don't don't
Speaker 1: misconstrue this. Kyle Pitts is ridiculous, right, He's he could
Speaker 1: be I don't want to use the word generational, but
Speaker 1: he could be a gang changing elite tied in right,
Speaker 1: But Friarmth has that same type of ability to be
Speaker 1: a Pro Bowl caliber tight end year in and year out.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's honestly that good. And like you said
Speaker 1: at the beginning of your conversation part right here, I
Speaker 1: feel bad for him because any other year we are
Speaker 1: salivating over the potential of path Fryarmuth. But he just
Speaker 1: so happens to be in a class with Kyle Pitts.
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Speaker 1: consensus tight end three in this class and we'll talk
Speaker 1: about our ranking series. We move on, but that's Brevin Jordan,
Speaker 1: the tight end out of Miami. So Jordan Drew some
Speaker 1: comparisons early on to John new Smith as far as
Speaker 1: the role that he could play in an NFL offense. Now,
Speaker 1: I don't necessarily see the same level of athleticism there
Speaker 1: with Brevin Jordan. That's backed up by his pro day numbers.
Speaker 1: Didn't exactly have the best performance there and you know
Speaker 1: in showcase. But let's talk about Jordan and what he
Speaker 1: can bring to an NFL team. Do you think that
Speaker 1: if you miss out on Pits Friar Muth, are you
Speaker 1: okay with taking Jordan there and feeling pretty comfortable that
Speaker 1: he can be a reliable fantasy option or does he
Speaker 1: start to tip towards this range of like he's gonna
Speaker 1: fall into that like streaming tight end conversation. I really
Speaker 1: don't know if he's going to take that leap to
Speaker 1: ever become a top tier option. Oh man, I'm not okay.
Speaker 1: I like Brevin Jordan, but I think it's it's Pits
Speaker 1: on an Island by himself, it's Pat friar Muth sort
Speaker 1: of in a tear of his own, and then it's uh,
Speaker 1: you know, Brevin Jordan and everybody else kind of after that.
Speaker 1: So I would not be I would not be happy
Speaker 1: with that if that's the third tight end that I'm
Speaker 1: looking at. Yeah, I think. So let's talk about Jordan,
Speaker 1: like fantastic hands, really really reliable, was moved out all
Speaker 1: over the field, was moved out to the slot. He
Speaker 1: played in the backfield in some instances. Is like he's
Speaker 1: one of those players that you can move around, and
Speaker 1: he was very, very successful at Miami. Now it's just
Speaker 1: a matter of does the athleticism does that translate? He's
Speaker 1: looking at a four six, nine and forty yard dashes
Speaker 1: Pro Day, seventeen reps on the bench press, only a
Speaker 1: thirty one inch vertical jump, one hundred and sixteen inch
Speaker 1: broad jump, Like these are not crazy great numbers in comparison,
Speaker 1: like Kyle Pitts four four four forty yard dash, thirty
Speaker 1: four inch vertical jump, one hundred and twenty nine inch
Speaker 1: broad jump to one hundred and sixteen Like he's just
Speaker 1: of course it's Kyle Pitts, but he's not even on
Speaker 1: the same planet as far as athleticism. So I think
Speaker 1: with the it's the draft capital conversation with Brevin Jordan.
Speaker 1: Where is he gonna land? Is he gonna end up
Speaker 1: in the back of the second round, early third round
Speaker 1: of the NFL. I don't think that he brings you
Speaker 1: a ton as a blocker, so now teams are going
Speaker 1: to be relying on him as that receiver. But does
Speaker 1: the athleticism give him enough of a boost in the
Speaker 1: NFL draft to get that draft capital where we say
Speaker 1: I feel comfortable taking Brevin Jordan in the third round
Speaker 1: or back of the second round in my time, you know,
Speaker 1: in my dynasty rookie drafts, I just don't know if
Speaker 1: that's going to be there to the point where I
Speaker 1: feel super confident in him. Yeah, That's that's where I'm at. Man.
Speaker 1: I'm just he should be a Day two pick, right,
Speaker 1: he should be at worst, And like, I'm just kind
Speaker 1: of playing this out at worst the third round pick.
Speaker 1: But I don't think he was nearly as athletic as
Speaker 1: we thought he would be, right, I think a lot
Speaker 1: of people were thinking he could potentially be a slightly
Speaker 1: less athletic than than Kyle Pitts. And he's right, right,
Speaker 1: you know, I don't even know if he's more I'm not. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm with you. I'm just not confident that he's going
Speaker 1: to get again. I think a third round pick, if
Speaker 1: I had to bet money on it. I think he
Speaker 1: goes in round three. But if we roll into Saturday
Speaker 1: of the NFL Draft and Brevin Jordan is still on
Speaker 1: the board and we're talking about him being a fourth
Speaker 1: round tight end, it wouldn't shock me. It wouldn't for
Speaker 1: me either. And I think this is really good for
Speaker 1: us to have this conversation and kind of get the
Speaker 1: listening involved too, where we're saying, like, follow our thought
Speaker 1: process here is we're talking this out on the podcast together.
Speaker 1: We haven't talked about these guys, right, we're talking about
Speaker 1: it here. And when we talk about Kyle Pitts and
Speaker 1: Pat Friarmouth, we get to and I'm in agreement with Ray,
Speaker 1: it's like Pitts in a tier by himself for Iarnmouth
Speaker 1: kind of in that next tier down, and then after
Speaker 1: that it really is murky. This is where we get
Speaker 1: into the tight end landscape where we say landing spot
Speaker 1: and draft capital matters so much with these remaining guys.
Speaker 1: So let's talk about one of those other remaining guys.
Speaker 1: Let's just kind of fly through these last two that
Speaker 1: we've got on the docket here. That is Tommy Tremble,
Speaker 1: the tight end out of Notre Dame. Trumbell kind of
Speaker 1: came out of nowhere here in the pre draft process.
Speaker 1: I just watched his tape just the other day. Came
Speaker 1: away pretty impressed. Playing that h back roll there in
Speaker 1: the Notre Dame offense really like stylistically used a very
Speaker 1: similarly to Johnny Smith. You know, if you want to
Speaker 1: make the comparisons of Rev and Jordan to Johnny Smith,
Speaker 1: I would say, hey, pump the brakes. There actually might
Speaker 1: be another guy in this class so you can compare
Speaker 1: to him. That's Tommy Tremble. Fantastic blocker, really athletic, four
Speaker 1: point six forty yard dash, twenty reps on the bench press,
Speaker 1: thirty seven vertical inch vertical jump which is great, one
Speaker 1: hundred and twenty two inch broad jump. Those are fantastic numbers,
Speaker 1: testing numbers for a tight end. And I think with Tremble,
Speaker 1: now it's just a matter of the consistency. Where was
Speaker 1: he right the conversation, where was he this entire time
Speaker 1: where he really wasn't on our radar much. But a
Speaker 1: great blocker, that's what's going to get him onto the field.
Speaker 1: So with Tremble, very similarly to Johnny Smith, I think
Speaker 1: it might take him a year. It might take him
Speaker 1: two years before we get to that point where we're
Speaker 1: talking about Tremble as a reliable fantasy option. That's not
Speaker 1: someone that I'm willing to take in the third fourth
Speaker 1: round of my rookie drafts because I'll wait someone else
Speaker 1: out and they'll most likely drop him and then I
Speaker 1: can scoop him up later. Yeah, and here's the thing,
Speaker 1: and then this is going to be the most the
Speaker 1: shallowest analysis of them all. I mean, if you're a
Speaker 1: tight end from nore Dame, I'm going to take a
Speaker 1: chance on you. I mean, Kyle Rudolph, you know, the
Speaker 1: list goes on. Yeah, Polka met I just I just
Speaker 1: want tight ends from Nordre Dame. I mean they those
Speaker 1: tight ends and Stanford tight ends always seemed to find
Speaker 1: a way to make it happen. But no. In in actuality,
Speaker 1: Tommy Trumbull is the athlete that we thought Brevin Jordan
Speaker 1: could be. Man, he's a tremendous blocker, he's very physical,
Speaker 1: and he's just he played in an offense where Ian
Speaker 1: Book was a scramble type quarterback. Right when things broke down, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean he's running the boys when things when the
Speaker 1: first read wasn't there, Yes, he was scrambling. Yes, I
Speaker 1: tried to be Yeah, I'm trying to be nice here.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to be nice here. When things broke down
Speaker 1: and he couldn't find anybody, He's going to run. So
Speaker 1: here's the thing. Here's here's my sort of spiel on
Speaker 1: tight ends. You're just projecting athleticism, right, like, are you
Speaker 1: an athlete? Are you gonna get draft capital? And will
Speaker 1: you maybe get a chance down the line? Tommy Tremble
Speaker 1: checks all those boxes absolutely. All right, let's look at
Speaker 1: the last guy here on our list. That is Hunter Long,
Speaker 1: the tight end out of Boston College. So let's I
Speaker 1: have not personally had a chance to watch Hunter Long
Speaker 1: and his tape yet. I've got some work on tight
Speaker 1: ends that I have to do here in these lower guys.
Speaker 1: But this is really like the consensus guys that you'll
Speaker 1: find at the top, Hunter Long belonging in this tier.
Speaker 1: So I'm going to turn the conversation to you Rate
Speaker 1: and just say, what what do you like about Long?
Speaker 1: What do you like about his tape? And what caused
Speaker 1: you to mention him here in this conversation. Yeah, he's
Speaker 1: he's a target monster you know when you're getting when
Speaker 1: you're getting eighty nine targets in college That led all
Speaker 1: tight ends in college football with targets, and it was
Speaker 1: twenty two more than the next tight end. He led
Speaker 1: the country fifty seven receptions six eighty five receiving yards
Speaker 1: in the ACC. He is a versatile tight end. When
Speaker 1: I first really noticed him was when Boston College played
Speaker 1: against Clemson and he ran a seam route and just
Speaker 1: burnt Isaiah Simmons down the seam. And I was like,
Speaker 1: who is this Hunter Long guy? And honestly, he's my
Speaker 1: tight end three in the class, and I just challenge you,
Speaker 1: just take a look at him. He's a player that
Speaker 1: I think is going to get drafted a lot higher
Speaker 1: than people expect. Remember when Drew Sample went in the
Speaker 1: second round. That was a horrible pick, but Drew Sample
Speaker 1: was the second round pick. But it would not shock me. Okay,
Speaker 1: just hear me out. It wouldn't shock me if Hunter
Speaker 1: Long was the second tight end off of the board
Speaker 1: in the NFL draft. I do believe that he's going
Speaker 1: to be a starting tight end in the NFL. The
Speaker 1: kid can play, he's athletic, and he's got the size
Speaker 1: He's a very very solid tight end perfect all right, man. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I definitely have put a star next to Hunter Long's
Speaker 1: name to make sure that I scout him before the
Speaker 1: NFL Draft. Really appreciate you bringing him up there. So,
Speaker 1: as far as just a recap of these guys, and
Speaker 1: let's just go through our rankings here, I've only scouted
Speaker 1: a handful of these guys, so it really is just
Speaker 1: in the order that we talked about him. For me,
Speaker 1: it's Kyle Pitts at one mentioned him in that tier,
Speaker 1: pat for ironmuthin that next tier by himself, and then
Speaker 1: Brevin Jordan and Tommy Tremble from their tape grades and
Speaker 1: then factoring athletic scoring, they are virtually identical greats for me.
Speaker 1: So flip a coin there with either Brevin Jordan Tommy Tremble.
Speaker 1: Landing spot is going to dictate a ton there. So
Speaker 1: do you want to talk about your rankings there? I'm
Speaker 1: assuming you've got Kyle Pitts at tight end five, right,
Speaker 1: Kyle Pitts is he's a priority free agent ad? I
Speaker 1: mean no, I mean, come on, man, he's he's tied
Speaker 1: in one. I've got pet for our mutht tight in two,
Speaker 1: Hunter Long at tight end three, Brevin Jordan tight end four,
Speaker 1: and right now I've got Kenny you Boa from Old
Speaker 1: Miss at tight end five. Okay, you want to talk
Speaker 1: about you Boa really quick? Or is this just kind
Speaker 1: of another guy to keep keep an eye on him
Speaker 1: when you yeah? Athlete? Perfect athlete, probably a Day three pick,
Speaker 1: somebody that I have no problem. You know, you probably
Speaker 1: can get him off with waivers after your Ricky draft.
Speaker 1: Let him sit, let him develop. He's got talent. Just
Speaker 1: an athlete, all right, perfect. Let's move into the mailbag
Speaker 1: section here. Hunter Green asks what's the best way to
Speaker 1: convince your league to switch from one quarterback format two
Speaker 1: super flex? Or should a home league stay at one quarterback?
Speaker 1: For me, home league should not have to stay one quarterback.
Speaker 1: I'm kind of in the same like predicament if you
Speaker 1: want to call it. Where my main guy, my main
Speaker 1: dynasty league that I've been playing with guys from college.
Speaker 1: We've been one quarterback since we started, and there are
Speaker 1: a few of us where we want to push it
Speaker 1: to super flex. It's a very very difficult transition because
Speaker 1: you've got guys who have never played the format before.
Speaker 1: They don't know about it. They don't really want to
Speaker 1: buy in, and that has to be a long transition.
Speaker 1: You just can't go one year from hey, we're one
Speaker 1: QB format to the next year, hey we're super flex.
Speaker 1: You got to give teams more notice to be able
Speaker 1: to build up that equity at the quarterback position. Right,
Speaker 1: Guys who are streaming quarterback in a one QB dynasty
Speaker 1: league are suddenly going to be just irrelevant in a
Speaker 1: super flex league if they only have that one quarterback, right,
Speaker 1: if they've got like Drew lock and Teddy Bridgewater or
Speaker 1: something like that. Right, So I think that's going to
Speaker 1: be the situation where you got to kind of give
Speaker 1: them a heads up. I really don't have any tips
Speaker 1: as far as how to make that transition. It really
Speaker 1: is just going to be all about doing your research,
Speaker 1: being able to propose the highlights of it and then
Speaker 1: go from there. And if you got to do the
Speaker 1: majority vote, that's what I'm a huge proponent of. You
Speaker 1: got to do majority vote for your rule changes in
Speaker 1: your league. If it doesn't get a majority vote, then
Speaker 1: it doesn't pass. You can't have that one guy who's
Speaker 1: the dictator or the commission or you know, commissioner dictator
Speaker 1: of your league. So as far as the best way
Speaker 1: to convince your league to switch, you really just got
Speaker 1: to kind of propose it, get the highlights out there,
Speaker 1: and then see what happens. Ray, do you have anything
Speaker 1: that you want to add on that question? Yeah, I
Speaker 1: would say the only other thing that you can really
Speaker 1: do is after the vote, give it like a like
Speaker 1: a year in statement, like, Okay, we the vote passed,
Speaker 1: you know, in January, after the season vote passed in
Speaker 1: January twenty twenty one. The actual change won't take effect
Speaker 1: until after this upcoming season, because if you drafted for
Speaker 1: a single quarterback, like give your league at least a
Speaker 1: year to kind of prepare, make some moves, make some
Speaker 1: trades to adjust for the changes. So whenever you guys vote,
Speaker 1: just don't read don't start the super flex league or
Speaker 1: two QB league that same year, Wait a season and
Speaker 1: then and then sort of implement it. I think that
Speaker 1: will ease the pain of the change absolutely, all right.
Speaker 1: So Caleb Moseley asks, when is the best timeframe to
Speaker 1: have a dynasty startup draft? I'll let you handle this one.
Speaker 1: When is the best timeframe to have a dynasty's startup draft? Anytime, man,
Speaker 1: Come on, I mean, honestly, I think there are pros
Speaker 1: and cons to all types of time frames. Right now,
Speaker 1: I like doing stuff pre draft. I like to, you know,
Speaker 1: use the scouting. Let's see how good of a scout
Speaker 1: you are, put you have conviction and select your players.
Speaker 1: I think you know, the traditional time, you know, summer August,
Speaker 1: before the NFL season. But I also like doing mid
Speaker 1: season dynasty startups because you can take advantage of you know,
Speaker 1: injuries and value. You know, I did a mid season
Speaker 1: startup and got Saquon Barkley in the third round a
Speaker 1: year ago. So I think every there are different stages,
Speaker 1: but they all have their benefits. They all have their
Speaker 1: pros and their cons. Honestly, I know that's kind of
Speaker 1: a cop out answer, but anytime, it's a great time
Speaker 1: to do a dynasty startup. Brian Greenberry asks when you
Speaker 1: are in your rookie drafts, do you go with best
Speaker 1: player available or do you draft by team needs? So
Speaker 1: for me, it really does. It really does depend on
Speaker 1: the situation and how glaring the team need is. Right
Speaker 1: I'm in a rebuild in one of my dynasty leagues
Speaker 1: where I had to fold it in I've got three
Speaker 1: of the top four picks and my rookie draft in.
Speaker 1: You know, I have no running backs on my roster.
Speaker 1: So I am really committing and I made that decision
Speaker 1: when I sold off these players. I'm committing to taking
Speaker 1: at least two running backs there within those top four
Speaker 1: top five picks that have got So it really does
Speaker 1: depend on how glaring the need is. But you don't
Speaker 1: want to get to the end. You got to play
Speaker 1: with tiers, right. You got to be able to look
Speaker 1: at these guys in group them. And let's take the
Speaker 1: running back class this year where you say, Nag Harris,
Speaker 1: Travis etn Kenneth Kenneth Kenabe Goodness, Javonte Williams. They're all
Speaker 1: in this tier by themselves, and whatever order you want
Speaker 1: to put them in, that's fine. Then you say, okay,
Speaker 1: Kenneth Gainwell, Michael Carter, they might be in this next
Speaker 1: tier by themselves. And then the next tier running backs
Speaker 1: is this player, this player, this player. Do your own rankings,
Speaker 1: take the advice that we've given our insight, and you
Speaker 1: do your own rankings. You determine your tiers. If you
Speaker 1: get to the end, you get to pick four and
Speaker 1: all three of those players in your top tier are gone,
Speaker 1: and you still have the top player in your wide
Speaker 1: receiver tier available. Don't move on to that next tier
Speaker 1: if you have unless you have that glaring, glaring need
Speaker 1: where you have to reach, don't move on to that
Speaker 1: next tier and just take the next running back on
Speaker 1: your ranking board. No play that value game. Look at
Speaker 1: the tiers that you have available and say, okay, all
Speaker 1: three of these top tier running backs are gone, but
Speaker 1: I've got wide receiver one in this tier still still available.
Speaker 1: I think I'm gonna take him here and then I
Speaker 1: can try to figure out running back later on in
Speaker 1: this draft. That would be my advice. Ray, Do you
Speaker 1: have any conflicting advice to that, any different ways of
Speaker 1: approaching that. No, I honestly think you hit you hit
Speaker 1: the nail on the head. I echo those same sentiments. Nothing,
Speaker 1: nothing else that I would like to add. I just
Speaker 1: the big thing is know your room, no your league mates,
Speaker 1: and kind of let the board fall to you, and
Speaker 1: just you have to be prepared for the unexpected. I
Speaker 1: promise you. However you think that draft is going to
Speaker 1: lay out, when it actually happens, things will change, all right.
Speaker 1: Let's look at one more question here. This is from
Speaker 1: Dark Wing Duct. How would you rank the twenty twenty
Speaker 1: one and twenty twenty two qbs together? I have Lamar Jackson,
Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson, Jalen Hurts in a twelve team super flex
Speaker 1: dynasty league. I also have two picks in twenty twenty one,
Speaker 1: the one oh four and the one oh seven and
Speaker 1: three twenty twenty two first round picks. I'd like to
Speaker 1: grab Nagie Harris and or Pits if twenty twenty two
Speaker 1: QB looks good. So let's kind of split this into
Speaker 1: two different parts here where we can answer the first
Speaker 1: question than we can talk about as team. So, how
Speaker 1: would you rank the twenty twenty one and twenty twenty
Speaker 1: two qbs together? I'll turn it to you because you've
Speaker 1: done more work on this twenty twenty two QB class
Speaker 1: than I have. But and then I can obviously chime
Speaker 1: in with my thoughts on twenty twenty one. Yeah, twenty two,
Speaker 1: there are a lot of quarterbacks that are jockeying for
Speaker 1: position to be the guy, and I'm sure we'll see
Speaker 1: a couple of those quarterbacks drafted early because that's what
Speaker 1: we do in the NFL. They draft quarterbacks early. It's
Speaker 1: the revolving door of trying to find the franchise changer
Speaker 1: right now. If I had to be completely honest, there
Speaker 1: are only two guys that I feel comfortable with and
Speaker 1: confident and that Spencer Ratler and Sam how And after
Speaker 1: that you got a bunch of guys from JT. Daniels,
Speaker 1: Grayson McCall, Desmond Rinter, Carson Strong, Malik Willis. I just
Speaker 1: I would rather have one of these guys in twenty
Speaker 1: twenty one. Yeah, I'm gonna echo that sentiment where I say,
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one with this class and how special it
Speaker 1: can be for the guys from a fantasy perspective where
Speaker 1: they all the top four guys all bring that valuable
Speaker 1: rushing ability. That would be something where I kind of
Speaker 1: lean and hang my hat on that. Whereas with next
Speaker 1: year it's really unpredictable to say, Okay, are we gonna
Speaker 1: see a Malik Willis come and just skyrocket or we're
Speaker 1: gonna see Desmond Ritter take that next step forward, like
Speaker 1: who is going to be that next player who comes
Speaker 1: out of nowhere? The Joe Burrows, the Zach Wilson's, the
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray's right there are always these players who rise
Speaker 1: and come out of nowhere to become the number one
Speaker 1: the number two overall pick. So we definitely could see
Speaker 1: that next year. But if we had to answer that
Speaker 1: right now, I personally would be looking at the twenty
Speaker 1: twenty one class as a strength. Now with your team
Speaker 1: in specifically with Lamar Jackson, Deshaun Watson, Jalen Hurts in
Speaker 1: a twelve team super Flex dynasty league. It all depends
Speaker 1: on the rest of your league and how much they
Speaker 1: hoard quarterbacks. But I think that you're fine, Like I
Speaker 1: think that you're fine going with Nase Harris and or
Speaker 1: Pits at the one oh four and one oh seven
Speaker 1: if they're still there on the board. Because Lamar Jackson,
Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson and Jalen Hurts, that's a pretty solid starting
Speaker 1: trio for next year in a super Flex league. Do
Speaker 1: you have any I mean, do you disagree with that?
Speaker 1: NA I don't. I don't think he's in such dire
Speaker 1: need that he has to, you know, reach and scramble
Speaker 1: for a quarterback. You take the best player, Nagy Harris,
Speaker 1: Kyle Pitts. I think you're honestly, I think you're fine.
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson and Jalen Hurts and listen, Deshaun Watson. We'll
Speaker 1: see how that plays out. But I think even with
Speaker 1: Hurts and Lamar Jackson, you're fine and there's no need
Speaker 1: to no need to force a get Hairs get Pitts man. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's my thing is that you like Jalen Hurts. You
Speaker 1: know that you have a starter for at least this season,
Speaker 1: right and what happens next year is still up in
Speaker 1: the air. Let's see how he performs this year. Deshaun Watson.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's trending towards him playing again in twenty
Speaker 1: twenty one, and this kind of just being all cleared again,
Speaker 1: that's just trending. We'll see what happens. The whole situation
Speaker 1: has yet to play out. But you should be fine
Speaker 1: with Lamar Jackson Deshaun Watson with at least two guaranteed starters,
Speaker 1: which is more than some Superflex teams have. And then
Speaker 1: if Deshaun Watson does play, then you have three guaranteed,
Speaker 1: locked and loaded starters, which is a great place to be.
Speaker 1: I don't think that you have to go after quarterback
Speaker 1: this year at the one oh four. Get one of
Speaker 1: those talented players of Nazi Harris and or Kyle Pitts.
Speaker 1: All right, Ray, that is going to do it for
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Speaker 1: Ray appreciate you man, appreciate the conversation that we had
Speaker 1: here today. Any final thoughts before we get out of here.
Speaker 1: You know, I know you all were enthralled by the
Speaker 1: fantastic tight end talk that we had today, but honestly,
Speaker 1: there are some really good tight ends in this class.
Speaker 1: And just for those of you listening, and I know
Speaker 1: we didn't ask this question, get your tight ends now
Speaker 1: because next year it ain't so hot. So get one
Speaker 1: of these tight ends this year because the twenty twenty
Speaker 1: two cropad tight ends is not very good. There's some
Speaker 1: good insight as we head out, and we will be
Speaker 1: back on Thursday this week, later on this week with
Speaker 1: the quarterback discussion. And yes we are starting out with
Speaker 1: Mac Jones. I don't care. We were talking about Mac
Speaker 1: Jones off the top. This is going to be a
Speaker 1: can't miss episode, so looking forward to it. All right.
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