Speaker 1: Welcome back everybody.
Speaker 2: It's a Fantasy pros Dynasty Fantasy football podcast. I'm your host,
Speaker 2: Scott Bogman. Follow me on the Twitter at bogmin Sports.
Speaker 2: I'm joined as always by Pat Fitzmorris at fits Underscore
Speaker 2: ff on the Twitter machine, Fitzy.
Speaker 1: How's your weekend, my friend?
Speaker 3: Oh it was good, Bogs.
Speaker 4: Thank you very much, and you know, another week in
Speaker 4: paradise and happy to be joined by our guest.
Speaker 3: This week.
Speaker 4: I've gotten to do two shows in a span of
Speaker 4: two days with him, so I feel very fortunate because
Speaker 4: he is one of my favorite guys in the industry.
Speaker 1: You're like summer camp best friends. Right now, it's Kevin Coleman.
Speaker 2: You can follow him on the Twitter at du Bois
Speaker 2: Underscore twenty two. Kevin of course from Football Guys and
Speaker 2: the Debbie Royale. keV, thanks for coming on the show
Speaker 2: with us to talk some QBS today.
Speaker 5: I'm just I'm just glad I got invited back. I'm
Speaker 5: just heay, I must not do something too bad. The
Speaker 5: comments weren't bad in the YouTube section, so we're good
Speaker 5: to go.
Speaker 6: I'm ready to roll.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, look, normally Pat and I are against
Speaker 2: having cowboy fans on, but we will make an exception.
Speaker 1: Thanks for you. It's fine.
Speaker 2: You know, we're definitely going to talk about your QB's
Speaker 2: your QB here.
Speaker 1: Anyway to start, So let's dive into it.
Speaker 2: You know, the last couple ranked shows that Fitz and
Speaker 2: I have done, we've kind of read off our list.
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna give you ECR for the QB.
Speaker 2: So this is tier one one through twelve, and we're
Speaker 2: going to talk about the differences that the three of
Speaker 2: us have in our rankings. So let's kick it off here.
Speaker 2: QB number one in Redraft this year is Patrick Mahomes,
Speaker 2: number one across the board. No one else has him
Speaker 2: ranked as number two, so he is one, his high
Speaker 2: AST one and there we go. Josh Allen is number two,
Speaker 2: Fitz has him at three, Kevin I both have him
Speaker 2: at too. Jalen Hurts is ECR number three, Fitz has
Speaker 2: him at two, So just those two guys switch. Joe
Speaker 2: Burrow is at four, Trevor Lawrence is at five, Herbert
Speaker 2: is the six. QB, Lamar Jackson at seven, Justin Fields
Speaker 2: at eight, Deshaun Watson at nine, Dak Prescott at ten,
Speaker 2: Kyler Murray at eleven and Anthony and Richardson at twelve.
Speaker 2: So let's start here, Fitzi Hurts over Alan tell Us
Speaker 2: why younger?
Speaker 3: And like, I don't think last year was a fluke
Speaker 3: at all.
Speaker 4: I think the improvements we saw from Hurts as a
Speaker 4: passer were for real, and I do think he maybe
Speaker 4: offers even a little more running upside than Josh Allen does.
Speaker 4: I'm not necessarily concerned about Josh Allen's elbow, but like,
Speaker 4: I don't know if he had another elbow injury, would
Speaker 4: we then be concerned? Are we starting to get into
Speaker 4: you know, starting pitcher who's had multiple arm injuries, where
Speaker 4: you know, you start to move that guy down the
Speaker 4: board in your Fantasy Baseball draft ranking.
Speaker 3: So like, I'm not.
Speaker 4: Worried about it, but it's a little bit of a
Speaker 4: caution flag I think with him. So like, I have
Speaker 4: no issue if anyone wants to take Josh Allen over
Speaker 4: Jalen Hurts in a startup, I think it's really close,
Speaker 4: but just a little bit of an edge for Jalen Hurts.
Speaker 2: For me, Kevin, is is this an egregious take from him?
Speaker 2: Are you angry about it? Does it make you upset?
Speaker 2: Or are you like, Wow, Look, Jalen Hurts got a
Speaker 2: lot of rushing upside too, I get it.
Speaker 6: I think no, I think these three are in my
Speaker 6: tier one.
Speaker 5: So if I break him down by my tiers, I
Speaker 5: have no problem with how you're doing that. I think
Speaker 5: there's an argument to be made that maybe Hurts has
Speaker 5: better weapons. I mean, if Diggs is going to move
Speaker 5: on from a dynasty perspective after this year, the Diggs
Speaker 5: is upset, y'all are ei? There's something going on with Digs? Like,
Speaker 5: and so what happens there? Like who's the second guy
Speaker 5: in that offense? Tho is a Kincaid? Is it Gabriel Davis?
Speaker 3: Again?
Speaker 6: Are we going down that route? Like where are we
Speaker 6: looking there?
Speaker 5: And Hurts kind of has Brown locked in DeVonta Smith's
Speaker 5: locked in god Her like those are legitimate weapons plus
Speaker 5: the rushing upside, Like I understand it.
Speaker 2: He's the youngest out of all three of these guys
Speaker 2: as well, a year younger than Patrick Mahomes even so
Speaker 2: not a surprise to see him just a little little
Speaker 2: bit often, and I understand it fits he And I'm
Speaker 2: with Kevin, like that's the tier. That's the top tier
Speaker 2: for me, My big disagreement is Lamar Jackson at four.
Speaker 2: I think anyone that has listened to me in the
Speaker 2: past was expecting this to happen, right, because I am
Speaker 2: kind of the Lamar Jackson stand. I was huge on
Speaker 2: him coming out of Louisville. I mean, the dude. I
Speaker 2: played a lot of college Fantasy as well, and the
Speaker 2: guy has the number one and number two scoring college
Speaker 2: fantasy seasons ever, like Barry Sanders with his twenty eight
Speaker 2: touchdowns was third, So like, I still see that upside.
Speaker 2: I'm excited about Todd Monkin coming in here and you know,
Speaker 2: giving him a little more leniency to throw the ball
Speaker 2: than what they had before in Greg Roman.
Speaker 1: So I'm still excited about him.
Speaker 2: He still has that rushing upside, and I know people
Speaker 2: are thinking he's going to take a step back on that,
Speaker 2: and he should, But what is a step back for
Speaker 2: one of the best ever. I don't think it's going
Speaker 2: to be a ton So I still love Lamar Jackson,
Speaker 2: which pushes me down on you know, Joe Burrow just
Speaker 2: a little bit. You know, I would be low man
Speaker 2: out of us here as ECRs four. I have him
Speaker 2: at five, So technically I'm low, but because you know
Speaker 2: Jackson comes in at seven. That kind of pushes everybody
Speaker 2: else down for me. So, mister Coleman, is this an
Speaker 2: agreed just take on Lamar over Joe Burrow here?
Speaker 5: You know when I saw the shiof so jealous of
Speaker 5: you because I was like, dang it, Like I love
Speaker 5: Lamar too, Because I just wrote like a twenty five
Speaker 5: hundred word spotlight on Lamar for this year, and I
Speaker 5: broke down George's offense and what it looked like and
Speaker 5: what it can look like for him, and we could
Speaker 5: really seriously see a big, big, you know, jump up
Speaker 5: for him, like we could we'd be talking about Lamar
Speaker 5: being I said he could be a top three quarterback
Speaker 5: this year. And so I was like, dang it, by
Speaker 5: got because I love the read option. I love the
Speaker 5: quarterback design that Monkin does. The screens, I think is
Speaker 5: where it's gonna really utilize. He's gonna use a lot
Speaker 5: of these guys those weapons there, and it's especially with
Speaker 5: Mark Andrews.
Speaker 6: I think he's gonna have a career year. I really do.
Speaker 5: Like the biggest I think the biggest reason why I
Speaker 5: don't have Lamar higher is not necessarily about Lamar is
Speaker 5: will those guys just stay healthy. We've already seen Dobbins
Speaker 5: in the you know, maybe what's going on with his
Speaker 5: contract situation.
Speaker 6: Bateman's getting injections.
Speaker 5: I don't know what to do with obj You guys
Speaker 5: can tell me, but like I don't trust Obij at all.
Speaker 5: Like so there, and you know, Jay Flowers is a rookie.
Speaker 5: There's a lot of question marks I have around what
Speaker 5: that could be. But Lamar is the talent if he
Speaker 5: if he's Lamar, he's a top four guy. It's just
Speaker 5: I have questions about how how healthy they can be fits.
Speaker 2: Uh, well, what do you think about Lamar? Is this
Speaker 2: too high for Lamar? Or are you are you in?
Speaker 2: Are you jealous of me like Kevin Is? I don't
Speaker 2: think you are.
Speaker 3: I like Lamar a lot.
Speaker 4: I'm enthusiastic about him for this year, even though it's
Speaker 4: a little bit of a mystery what the monk in
Speaker 4: offense is going to look like. I mean, not a
Speaker 4: total mystery. It's not gonna be as conservatives as Greg Roman.
Speaker 4: And maybe that gets Lamar some heretofore unrecognized passing upside.
Speaker 4: But what concerns me a little bogs is the fact
Speaker 4: that Lamar derives so much of his fantasy value from running,
Speaker 4: and now he's getting a little older, He's going to
Speaker 4: be I think twenty seven late in the season, So
Speaker 4: how long is that running value going to maintain? And
Speaker 4: heaven knows, I mean, he is probably the best running
Speaker 4: quarterback in the history of the NFL.
Speaker 3: I don't think anyone like even.
Speaker 4: Peak, Michael Vick, Randall Cunningham like, I don't think those
Speaker 4: guys are on Lamar's level as a runner. But how
Speaker 4: long can he keep that up? How long is he
Speaker 4: going to be a special runner? And you know, once
Speaker 4: he's no longer a special runner, is he a good
Speaker 4: enough passer to maintain high level fantasy production?
Speaker 2: I think he is, and that's why I have him
Speaker 2: up there. But I understand people like you know, the
Speaker 2: Ravens have been kind of coddling him with letting him
Speaker 2: on cork it deep. Guy can make every throw, So
Speaker 2: I'm excited to see what he has, but I understand
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Speaker 2: a high man on justin Herbert. You have Herbert at
Speaker 2: number five, whereas Fits and I have him at six
Speaker 2: and eight. Respectfully. Here we are kind of a rainbow
Speaker 2: here because you're above. Fits is on and I'm below consensus.
Speaker 2: Little surprise that Fits was on consensus for Herbert. But
Speaker 2: tell us what stands out about Herbert inputs him in
Speaker 2: the top five for you?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think people are I think they're over analyzing
Speaker 5: what last year was with the rib injury that he had.
Speaker 5: I mean, he had a rib cartilage fracture that really
Speaker 5: knocked him. You know, any any of us would be
Speaker 5: out for two years on that kind of injury. Like
Speaker 5: he tried to come back, he bounced in there, and
Speaker 5: if you look at it too, Keenan Allen and Mike
Speaker 5: Williams both missed time a lot of time last year.
Speaker 5: So from just like a I think an output and
Speaker 5: a production standpoint, the injury definitely knocked him out. The
Speaker 5: weapons weren't there, and so I think from a talent perspective,
Speaker 5: he's in my top five. I think that's what I'm
Speaker 5: looking at. I expect more from Kellen Moore this year.
Speaker 5: You know, obviously coming over from the Cowboys. I think
Speaker 5: that he can kind of get them in the right spots,
Speaker 5: get those weapons ready to go, and in Quentin Johnston,
Speaker 5: adding Quinton Johnson in the drafts, I think that he
Speaker 5: can be that wide receiver two for this team. If
Speaker 5: Mike Williams, who already has a back thing going on
Speaker 5: in camp, you can't miss it. Now, I'm not going
Speaker 5: to take that deep of a drop off for talent wise,
Speaker 5: so I'm still on Herbert train.
Speaker 6: I think that he can be toolsy. I think he
Speaker 6: can be one of.
Speaker 5: Those top five guys, and he can have a really
Speaker 5: good bounce back with the offense that he's in and
Speaker 5: then the better weapons.
Speaker 2: Now, I mean the thing about Herbert that I do
Speaker 2: think is overlooked. Is just maybe the best arm strength ever.
Speaker 2: It's crazy do that. Some rainbows that he throws are
Speaker 2: just unbelievable. I'm low on him, and I still feel
Speaker 2: high on him, so I know that it doesn't reflect
Speaker 2: on my ranks. It's more about my excitement about some
Speaker 2: other guys. But I still like Herbert FITZI. You know,
Speaker 2: earlier this year you said maybe to trade away Herbert,
Speaker 2: and people were upset about it. It was maybe the
Speaker 2: most controversial thing that you have said on this show.
Speaker 2: So a lot of Herbert backers here and we understand
Speaker 2: you're on consensus though, So for all of the smack
Speaker 2: talk that you had about him, you're still average with
Speaker 2: him in terms of rank. And I always find that
Speaker 2: to be kind of funny because you can feel like
Speaker 2: you're out on a guy and then still have them
Speaker 2: ranked higher than most people do or at the same level.
Speaker 2: And that's what it turned out to be here for
Speaker 2: you in the rankings.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think since I drew people's ire with that opinion,
Speaker 4: I think I've moved him up one spot maybe past Lamar.
Speaker 4: And I actually kind of went against my own dynasty
Speaker 4: rankings in a startup draft that I did a couple
Speaker 4: of weeks ago with Kevin in attendance here in the
Speaker 4: Chicago area. Kevin all the way out for this, and
Speaker 4: I took Herbert over Justin Fields, even though I think
Speaker 4: i've Justin Fields ranked higher.
Speaker 1: Oh you know, you can trade him to Kevin h
Speaker 1: too much for him.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I mean, like agree totally on the arm.
Speaker 4: I mean his arm, Like when they had the Hard
Speaker 4: Knocks Dual Chargers Rams episode of Hard Knocks, and I
Speaker 4: think that was Herbert's rookie year and they showed him
Speaker 4: making throws, just this montage of training camp throws and
Speaker 4: just jaw dropping, like the arm capability is unbelievable.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and now.
Speaker 4: Maybe he's got an offensive coordinator who's gonna let him
Speaker 4: show off.
Speaker 3: That arm a little bit more.
Speaker 4: I mean, his average depth of target last year with
Speaker 4: Joe Lombardi as the OC was six point nine yards,
Speaker 4: which was like ridiculously low, all.
Speaker 2: To Austin Eckler because all those wide receivers were hurt.
Speaker 2: Kevin said before, Yeah.
Speaker 4: Like we don't need one hundred and twenty three or
Speaker 4: one hundred and twenty seven targets whatever it was that
Speaker 4: Austin Eckler had last year, especially now that they've drafted
Speaker 4: Quinton Johnston.
Speaker 3: So they've got Quinton.
Speaker 4: Johnston, Keenan Allen, Mike Williams pushed the ball downfield man,
Speaker 4: and I think they're gonna do that more so.
Speaker 3: Plus he adds a little bit of value with his legs.
Speaker 4: So it's not like I'm super down on Justin Herbert,
Speaker 4: but I don't think he's on the same level as
Speaker 4: a passer as Joe Burrow is. And I mean, just
Speaker 4: like look at their their YPA and I think that
Speaker 4: kind of shows it.
Speaker 3: Like I think Burrow's just a much better passer. I
Speaker 3: mean maybe like not head and shoulders, but like, I
Speaker 3: think he's on a different not.
Speaker 2: An arm talent, but in decision making and yeah, and
Speaker 2: being willing to throw it down there. And you know,
Speaker 2: they said the whole thing that Joe Burrow has the
Speaker 2: profile of like a high level CEO or a serial killer.
Speaker 2: Like his heartbeat does not change no matter what the
Speaker 2: situation is. He's just got ice in his veins. Yeah,
Speaker 2: And I mean that makes him different with that talent.
Speaker 4: One more thing, Bogs And just to piggyback on what
Speaker 4: Kevin said about the injury that Justin Herbert had. I mean,
Speaker 4: what a warrior to soldier through with the fractured rib,
Speaker 4: cartilage or whatever it was that he got in that
Speaker 4: Thursday night game against the Chiefs. I mean, he couldn't
Speaker 4: have been right, and I think there are a lot
Speaker 4: of quarterbacks who probably would have sat out a few games,
Speaker 4: but Herbert kept playing through it, and you know certainly
Speaker 4: wasn't at one hundred percent for a while after that injury.
Speaker 1: Let's keep putting teams on Thursday night football on short rest.
Speaker 1: It's just a dumb idea. I mean, just just.
Speaker 2: Make the Thursday night football games after the bye week,
Speaker 2: Like if you're off, then you play on Thursday.
Speaker 1: I think that makes sense for everyone. But that's a
Speaker 1: whole different argument.
Speaker 2: We are all above ECR on Fields, Murray and Richardson.
Speaker 2: We are all below ECR on Watson and Prescott and Fits.
Speaker 2: I know you have a question for Kevin, specifically about
Speaker 2: Dak Prescott.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I'm just well, Kevin is the Cowboys fan
Speaker 4: on this show. So it just it feels like we
Speaker 4: are in a weird place with Prescott, whereas a couple
Speaker 4: of years ago he was maybe considered one of the elites,
Speaker 4: or at least very close to that tier no longer
Speaker 4: really is. But yet he's sort of above the you know,
Speaker 4: the average tier. I guess of like Derek Carr types.
Speaker 4: So I don't know, I guess it seems like there
Speaker 4: are a lot of people who are sort of dagnostic
Speaker 4: these days, like they're not quite sure where to go
Speaker 4: with yeah, and like he's he's you know, starting to
Speaker 4: get to the point he's not old yet, but he's
Speaker 4: like now he's sort of square the prime of his
Speaker 4: career or like sort of what should be the peak.
Speaker 3: So I just don't know what to make of him.
Speaker 4: Could he get possibly does he have like top tier
Speaker 4: a top five.
Speaker 3: QB season and in its range of outcomes?
Speaker 4: Or is he Are you more concerned that he could
Speaker 4: go the other way and sort of slide back toward
Speaker 4: the level of like Kirk Cousins, Derek Carr, some of
Speaker 4: these guys who are pretty utterly average.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think so this makes me depressed to talk
Speaker 5: about this, but.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think that they've done a bad job.
Speaker 5: Brian Schottenheimer being there, you know, he gets a lot
Speaker 5: of love out there as like an offensive play caller,
Speaker 5: but in reality he has.
Speaker 6: Not done a very good job in terms of top offenses.
Speaker 5: He had Russell Wilson for those three or four years,
Speaker 5: and I think that elevated him a little bit more.
Speaker 5: With Dak from a Dynasty value perspective, if you draft
Speaker 5: Dak as your QB one, you probably don't feel very good.
Speaker 5: But then if he's your QB two, you're like, yeah,
Speaker 5: I'll take that. So like that's where he's he's at
Speaker 5: that weird like twenty nine years old was kind of
Speaker 5: in a throws a lot of interceptions because the offense
Speaker 5: just has not been predicated to him.
Speaker 6: And there's like, to me, I like Brandon Cooks, and
Speaker 6: I like what they've done.
Speaker 5: I think Michael Gallup is a steal right now in
Speaker 5: Dynasty and they have CD obviously, but we keep hearing
Speaker 5: that McCarthy's gonna have his hands all over this offense.
Speaker 6: So you know what that means.
Speaker 5: They're gonna run the ball with probably Rojo at some
Speaker 5: point when Tony Pollard gets injured or whatever happens there,
Speaker 5: because I don't know if Tony Pauler is gonna be
Speaker 5: able to handle that workload, and then you're gonna have
Speaker 5: to put it on Dak's back again. He's gonna make
Speaker 5: some mistakes, and it's just it's not a good feeling
Speaker 5: to have it. Like to me, Dak is a do
Speaker 5: not draft in Dynasty because I look at it from
Speaker 5: like a value perspective. You can get like Anthony Richardson,
Speaker 5: maybe even Murray, maybe Deshaun, maybe Bryce and CJ. All
Speaker 5: those guys could be ahead of him next year when
Speaker 5: we're if we're ever talking again on this kind of
Speaker 5: a podcast, like we could be looking at this value
Speaker 5: like those guys jumped ahead of him already if they're
Speaker 5: not already there.
Speaker 6: So now he's a depreciated asset in Dynasty.
Speaker 5: So that's how I look at Dak, like, I don't
Speaker 5: think you'd happy drafted him as your QB one, And
Speaker 5: if you draft him, he's like that car that gets
Speaker 5: driven off the lot and it's already the value's already
Speaker 5: gone and you're not.
Speaker 6: Going to get back for him on the Dynasty market.
Speaker 1: I also fits.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you're with me on this, but
Speaker 2: I have it in my head a little bit where
Speaker 2: if if the person that watches that team every single
Speaker 2: week is lower on that player, I will then become
Speaker 2: lower on that player.
Speaker 1: And it's not just Kevin.
Speaker 2: I have one of my best friends is a huge
Speaker 2: Cowboy fan, and he's like, I just don't know if
Speaker 2: Dak's the guy, you know, to win a Super Bowl
Speaker 2: for them, not you know, in fantasy, but but you know,
Speaker 2: that makes me kind of question what's going on with
Speaker 2: that team. I don't know if that's something that crawls
Speaker 2: into your brain as well.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 4: The other thing about Dak Bogs is that man, like
Speaker 4: I remember vividly that game from like I think it
Speaker 4: was three years ago where the Packers were playing the Cowboys.
Speaker 4: I think it was even in Dallas, and it like
Speaker 4: really clocked the Cowboys in that game, Sorry, Kevin and Dak,
Speaker 4: Like Dak was playing, you know, like it was a
Speaker 4: shootout game script for Dak and he wound up with
Speaker 4: like five hundred passes yards in that game. He's just
Speaker 4: not going to get many shootout game scripts now because
Speaker 4: the Dallas defense is actually really good, Like that is
Speaker 4: one of the five.
Speaker 3: Best defenses in the league for sure.
Speaker 4: So like, if Dak does not have those shootout gamescripts,
Speaker 4: you know, does he have a lead upside?
Speaker 3: Maybe not?
Speaker 2: Yeah, play defense and don't make mistakes on offenses the
Speaker 2: name of the game for McCarthy, so very very understandable.
Speaker 2: Any of these guys that you were surprised, I was
Speaker 2: a little surprised we're all above ECR on Murray because
Speaker 2: I feel like I don't like him. I'm not surprised
Speaker 2: by Richardson or Fields for any of us. These are
Speaker 2: as fits would call them Konami code guys that can
Speaker 2: run and have incredible ceilings. So I'm not surprised by
Speaker 2: those two. I'm not surprised that we're all lower on Watson.
Speaker 2: I mean, Watson was incredibly rusty last year. I feel
Speaker 2: like people are ranking a little bit with his past
Speaker 2: in there. Was there any one of those highs or
Speaker 2: lows Kevin that you were surprised on, you know, maybe
Speaker 2: outside of dak No.
Speaker 6: I think Murray.
Speaker 5: I think we're right on consensus with him in terms
Speaker 5: of dynasty values and like the community in general, because
Speaker 5: when you look at him, it's about who's behind him,
Speaker 5: and there's really no one. He's proven he can be
Speaker 5: a top five guy when healthy, and yes he's coming
Speaker 5: new offense and there are some question marks there, but
Speaker 5: who's behind him that's gonna leap him if he comes
Speaker 5: back healthy.
Speaker 6: To me, I don't think there is anybody.
Speaker 1: Don't like Clayton tune.
Speaker 6: Oh gosh, here we go.
Speaker 5: There is a weird Clayton tune truthers out there, like
Speaker 5: you find him in pockets. Don't go to that side
Speaker 5: of the social media. It's like Lion King. It's dark
Speaker 5: over there. Don't go over there. But yeah, I think
Speaker 5: for me it's Murray is just the upside is there
Speaker 5: with him, and I think he's a value right now.
Speaker 5: So if you're in a dynasty league and you're like
Speaker 5: a rebuilding team, go get Murray because I think his
Speaker 5: value is not value to where we have him, and
Speaker 5: you can definitely move off of some of these lower
Speaker 5: tiers like a Tua or someone like that, and kind
Speaker 5: of rebuild with Murray later, especially going to the next year.
Speaker 6: He may not even be on the Arizona.
Speaker 5: Next year, they might get Caleb Williams with the first pick,
Speaker 5: and then you're looking at it like even more of
Speaker 5: a value play.
Speaker 6: So for me, Murrays just a good how you play
Speaker 6: where he's at fits.
Speaker 1: Were you surprised by any of those rankings?
Speaker 4: No, Murray as far as being a real life quarterback,
Speaker 4: like is he a winner or anything.
Speaker 3: Jury's still very much out on that. And Bogs.
Speaker 4: You and I've talked about how like Cardinals fans, a
Speaker 4: lot of them are not big Kyler Murray fans, but
Speaker 4: the dude does pile up points. He piles up fans, man,
Speaker 4: And like we saw some of that last year where
Speaker 4: he would have these bad first halfs and have like
Speaker 4: four fantasy points going in a halftime, and then you
Speaker 4: look at the end of the game the box score,
Speaker 4: ohly is twenty three points, Like how did that happen?
Speaker 4: So yeah, Like Fields is an interesting one for me
Speaker 4: because I think I get the sense that some people
Speaker 4: are having trouble evaluating him because last year is probably
Speaker 4: not how it's going to look like going forward.
Speaker 3: There.
Speaker 1: There can't they win games. It can't look like that
Speaker 1: going on.
Speaker 4: And like, I don't think it's it's best for his
Speaker 4: health to run as often as he did last year,
Speaker 4: but he's still going to move the needle with his
Speaker 4: running ability. And I think he's a better passer than
Speaker 4: he's been allowed to show so far. I mean I
Speaker 4: saw it with my own eyes when he was playing
Speaker 4: for Ohio State. The dude can throw, and now they've
Speaker 4: really upgraded his weaponry. They're making progress on building that
Speaker 4: offensive line. So I think part of it was that
Speaker 4: Luke Getzi did not want him to be a pocket
Speaker 4: passer last year because he probably would have gotten killed
Speaker 4: had he tried to be. So things are going to
Speaker 4: look a little different, and that's just sort of hard
Speaker 4: for people to project. I think, like what this Bears
Speaker 4: offense is going to be and what sort of numbers
Speaker 4: Field is going to put up in it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with that in fields like his career,
Speaker 2: Arc I feel like is going to be very similar
Speaker 2: to Lamar as of what we have with Lamar right now,
Speaker 2: where he's going to depend on his legs early in
Speaker 2: his career, which is why we all have him high
Speaker 2: because he is going to depend on that. But you
Speaker 2: know that is not sustainable for his entire career. But
Speaker 2: we know he can pass, and I think that is
Speaker 2: something that people you know, not a lot of people
Speaker 2: watching Louisville, a lot more people watching Ohio State on
Speaker 2: their weekends. So I think people are trust more in
Speaker 2: Fields than they do in Lamar because they've seen him
Speaker 2: do it versus you know what Lamar is gonna do
Speaker 2: now that he can pass more so, I just I
Speaker 2: see their career arcs very similar up to this point,
Speaker 2: and I think Fields is going to play out like
Speaker 2: that as well. Let's move over to the QB twos
Speaker 2: here thirteen through twenty four. Number thirteen is Bryce Young,
Speaker 2: number fourteen is Twua Toungue Viola.
Speaker 3: C J.
Speaker 2: Stroud is number fifteen for dynasty ranks, Daniel Jones is sixteen,
Speaker 2: Kirk Cousins is seventeen, Jared Goff is eighteen, followed by
Speaker 2: Gino Smith, Kenny Pickett, Russell Wilson, Aaron Rodgers, Derek Carr,
Speaker 2: and Jordan Love. To round out, you are your QB
Speaker 2: twos from thirteen to twenty four. We're all below ECR
Speaker 2: on Tua, Stroud and Gino, Kevin is Lowman on Daniel
Speaker 2: Jones and Jordan Love, which was to me because Fits
Speaker 2: is here with us. And then Cousins, Pickett and Wilson
Speaker 2: all had one of us at ECR, above ECR and
Speaker 2: below ECR, so different opinions on these guys. But let's
Speaker 2: start with Tua. We're all below consensus. He is at fourteen,
Speaker 2: you and Kevin at sixteen. I'm at nineteen. Obviously our
Speaker 2: concern is the injury stuff. And we know he's a
Speaker 2: good QB, but the injury stuff, it's you know, it's
Speaker 2: push and pull on him. Even though you're below ECR fits.
Speaker 2: Do you find yourself still willing to draft Tua or
Speaker 2: is he a guy that you just avoid at all
Speaker 2: costs here?
Speaker 4: No, Like he's not on my do not draft list,
Speaker 4: but I am a little concerned obviously, Like at least
Speaker 4: at this time a year ago, we didn't know if
Speaker 4: he was going to be a good quarterback. And I
Speaker 4: think he sort of answered any questions about his talent
Speaker 4: in the affirmative in twenty twenty two, Like he played
Speaker 4: really well. He's got terrific weapons with Tyreek Hill and
Speaker 4: Jalen Waddle, seemed really well suited for Mike McDaniel's offense.
Speaker 4: But the scary part is one more serious concussion and
Speaker 4: he could be done. Like that is the risk that
Speaker 4: you take with him, and I think to some extent
Speaker 4: it is baked into his ADP. But you know, especially
Speaker 4: in dynasty startups like and if you're not building a
Speaker 4: win now team, if you're maybe you know, in the
Speaker 4: mode where you're trying to win in year two and
Speaker 4: do kind of a slow build with a youth based team.
Speaker 4: It's a scary proposition invests in early round pick into
Speaker 4: a quarterback who could conceivably be out of the league
Speaker 4: in a year or two.
Speaker 2: And actually we're all above contestants on Stratt I don't
Speaker 2: know why I misread that there, but Gino being the
Speaker 2: other guy, Kevin, I mean, Gino is tough to rank
Speaker 2: because we did not think he had in him what
Speaker 2: he had last season, and now it's is he going
Speaker 2: to stay with that or is he going to kind
Speaker 2: of revert back to the guy that we thought he
Speaker 2: was going into last year. And I think that's kind
Speaker 2: of why we're all lowered than consensus on Gino.
Speaker 6: I feel at home with you guys.
Speaker 5: I'm so glad we're all on the same page with
Speaker 5: Gino Smith because I feel like I'm in Luney beIN
Speaker 5: out here, because everybody's saying Gino's the guy to go grab,
Speaker 5: and Gino's this guy, he's the value, and I keep
Speaker 5: looking at it. And I know we mentioned on the
Speaker 5: show yesterday too with fits that I did. We talked
Speaker 5: about it, like you know what, like the beginning of
Speaker 5: the year. Yes, But I always think This is what
Speaker 5: happens with dynasty managers and even fantasy managers in general.
Speaker 5: They watched the first eight weeks of the season when
Speaker 5: they're in it, and then when they're like two and
Speaker 5: five and six or whatever, they kind of check out.
Speaker 5: Gino was great at the beginning of the year last year.
Speaker 5: He was a quarterback one type season, but then he
Speaker 5: struggled the last six games. He threw six interceptions. He
Speaker 5: was really inefficient. And I have a you know, Pete
Speaker 5: Carroll likes to run the ball. You guys know this,
Speaker 5: and adding Zach Sharboney and Ken Walker, I think it's
Speaker 5: gonna be a slow, grind, kind of inefficient offense in
Speaker 5: terms of the passing volume. And it's just gonna be
Speaker 5: a grind on the run. And where are they going
Speaker 5: to get those targets from? And what does that passing
Speaker 5: volume really look like? And you know, struggles down the
Speaker 5: stretch or the beginning of the year, you do realize
Speaker 5: they're just gonna run the ball at King Walker and
Speaker 5: Zach Sharbonay all day, Like.
Speaker 6: That's what Pete Carroll is gonna do.
Speaker 5: And so and I feel like, again he's a depreciated asset.
Speaker 5: He's older, he's in you know, middle almost mid thirties,
Speaker 5: and you're looking at your draft him as your QB
Speaker 5: two pretty high. I would there's so many different options
Speaker 5: i'd pivot at, and I just wouldn't take him.
Speaker 6: I just feel like it's a bad it's just a
Speaker 6: bad pick.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's you're buying all it's all last year's price,
Speaker 2: and I think I think the cost is too high.
Speaker 2: And that's the same argument that I've been using for
Speaker 2: Walker and charbon Ay to both be valuable, is that
Speaker 2: they will run the ball.
Speaker 1: I mean, Pete Carroll was running the ball a ton
Speaker 1: before last year.
Speaker 2: Lowman on Daniel Jones and Jordan Love Kevin, let's hear
Speaker 2: a little argument about these here, and are these like
Speaker 2: when you look at it, because I didn't show you
Speaker 2: this before, But are you surprised that you're low on
Speaker 2: either one of those guys?
Speaker 5: Well, I was surprised about how high you are on
Speaker 5: Daniel Jones, So I maybe I need to readjust my my,
Speaker 5: my my ranks a little bit. I think with Daniel Jones,
Speaker 5: I'm in that weird with Gino as well, Like with
Speaker 5: Daniel like, yeah, he did okay last year. I know
Speaker 5: the rushing upside is there. He's still only average around
Speaker 5: two hundred yards of passing, I believe somewhere in there.
Speaker 5: And I and I and when you're looking at the
Speaker 5: numbers from a passing perspective, did I know they added guys,
Speaker 5: But did they really add guys to that offense?
Speaker 6: You have Waller who's always injured.
Speaker 5: I like Hyatt, but I think he's gonna need some
Speaker 5: time to develop and and and where is that efficiency
Speaker 5: gonna come from? I guess if Barkley holds out or
Speaker 5: wherever the case may be, there you're gonna see that.
Speaker 5: I just I'm just concerned overall, from like a dynasty asset.
Speaker 5: He's a fine QB two, But is he a QB
Speaker 5: two that you can win a championship with?
Speaker 6: Maybe? Maybe? But I I just there's some other guys
Speaker 6: that I'd rather have over him.
Speaker 5: And yeah, Jordan Love, I'm really low on Jordan Love
Speaker 5: compared to you guys.
Speaker 6: I just I'm concerned.
Speaker 5: Fifth year kid really really step up and be that
Speaker 5: guy again, Like I like take upside swings as my
Speaker 5: QB two, I would I really do? Or that solid
Speaker 5: veteran that I know will put in like a quarterback
Speaker 5: fifteen performance love, I think is just all across the
Speaker 5: board for me.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: My thing for Daniel Jones here is that I don't
Speaker 2: think because they didn't add enough, I don't think the
Speaker 2: offense changes that much. I think Saquan is going to
Speaker 2: eventually have to sign and take his money. I think
Speaker 2: we can all learn from Le'Veon Bell not to hold out, right, Yeah,
Speaker 2: So I think he'll take his money and I think
Speaker 2: they're going to have to run. Danny Didak just as
Speaker 2: much as they did last year. Seven hundred yards is
Speaker 2: kind of a barometer of a very good running quarterback.
Speaker 2: That is what he hit last year. I think he
Speaker 2: has the legs to do it again, and he's one
Speaker 2: of the hardest workers in the NFL. So I'm just like,
Speaker 2: I will bet on the hard work and the rushing
Speaker 2: up side for Danny Dimes, plus knowing they still have
Speaker 2: room to add more white outs and it can't get
Speaker 2: much worse than it was last year. That is why
Speaker 2: I'm a little bit higher on him as well. But
Speaker 2: fits your thoughts on any of these guys cousins Pickett
Speaker 2: and Wilson, you have like you're kind of your average
Speaker 2: on Picket, your below average on Wilson, and then you
Speaker 2: know anybody else you want to talk about. Do you
Speaker 2: want to defend Jordan Love at all? I don't think
Speaker 2: I've seen that angle from you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not sure I can. I still don't know
Speaker 3: what it's going to be.
Speaker 4: Like, I'm still unproven, but I just like I didn't
Speaker 4: love him as a prospect coming out.
Speaker 3: I haven't seen anything.
Speaker 4: Certainly, Like I'm not super encouraged just because he lit
Speaker 4: up the Eagles, you know, in mop up time of
Speaker 4: a game where the Eagles were playing like a really
Speaker 4: soft coverage against him. So yeah, I'm I'm just not
Speaker 4: super enthusiastic about him. But I'm also not dismissing him
Speaker 4: out of hand. I mean, Cousins, it's kind of, you know,
Speaker 4: a guy who's always been a better fantasy quarterback than
Speaker 4: real life quarterback. I think there are some people who
Speaker 4: will defend him as a real life quarterback. I invite
Speaker 4: those people to go back and look at his final
Speaker 4: throw against the Giants, when he threw in five yards
Speaker 4: on fourth and ten or whatever it was at the
Speaker 4: end of the game, ticket bugs. You know, like, I'm
Speaker 4: a little concerned that. You know, I didn't love the
Speaker 4: prospect profile of Picket either, A guy who wouldn't have
Speaker 4: even been drafted had he not had the COVID fifth
Speaker 4: year in college and then lit it up. I do
Speaker 4: think he's got kind of a high floor, Like I
Speaker 4: think he's sort of a pretty good game manager. And
Speaker 4: I am.
Speaker 1: Maybe more I mean yeah, I mean like.
Speaker 4: I maybe more irrationally confident than I should be in
Speaker 4: Matt Canada's ability to put him in positions to succeed,
Speaker 4: because he actually did put him in positions to succeed
Speaker 4: late last year like that started to look like a
Speaker 4: real offense down the stretch. So and one last thing
Speaker 4: about Jones, like I I can kind of see both
Speaker 4: sides on him, Like I don't think he's ever going
Speaker 4: to be either in above average passer, but I do
Speaker 4: feel like he's in a really.
Speaker 3: Comfortable spot with Brian Dable.
Speaker 4: And I love that when Brian Dabele got hired, he
Speaker 4: like called up Daniel Jones and was like, hey, man,
Speaker 4: I want to know what you feel comfortable with, Like
Speaker 4: what plays going back to high school?
Speaker 3: Did you feel best about?
Speaker 4: Calling and running like he he has made him as
Speaker 4: comfortable as he possibly could. And yeah, like I don't
Speaker 4: know if they have any real A plus pass catchers there,
Speaker 4: but they do have a lot of pass catchers there,
Speaker 4: Like they're never gonna they can withstand a couple of
Speaker 4: injuries and be okay a wide receiver I guess.
Speaker 2: But now that Kenny Galladay's off the team, they're able
Speaker 2: to sign four different guys for him for sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Look, I agree with that take on Daniel Jones as well. Man,
Speaker 2: like the guy. The guy's just such a hard worker
Speaker 2: and you know, Mike McDaniels did the same thing for Tua,
Speaker 2: like Tua was losing confidence before last year, and he
Speaker 2: made like a nine hundred play cutup of how good
Speaker 2: Tua is and send it to him like it was.
Speaker 2: It's just these coaches know, like, if I'm taking this job,
Speaker 2: I got to get with my quarterback and let him
Speaker 2: kind of dictate stuff, which is what we're not getting
Speaker 2: from Matt Canada right now, which is why you know
Speaker 2: the whole Kenny Pickett had to fake the audible fake
Speaker 2: like you couldn't hear Matt Canada at the end of
Speaker 2: that Ravens game and drop his own play. So if
Speaker 2: that stuff is still happening, then I fear for Pickett.
Speaker 2: But I just don't think you can afford to not
Speaker 2: let pick it take the reins here and move it.
Speaker 2: So that's why I'm a little bit higher on him.
Speaker 2: Is there anybody else here, either one of you? Kevin
Speaker 2: will start with you. Anybody else you want to talk
Speaker 2: about in the QB two range chair, Yeah.
Speaker 5: I mean I think Bryce and CJ right, like those
Speaker 5: rookies coming in, where do you value them at? I
Speaker 5: think both of them can be like I've always said,
Speaker 5: and when we do our own show, we talk about
Speaker 5: it like Bryce and CJ probably ceiling is like QB
Speaker 5: eight if they hit their ceiling, so you're still looking
Speaker 5: at that low end quarterback one because they don't have
Speaker 5: that rushing upside. Stroud probably a little bit more because
Speaker 5: Ryan Day just hates quarterbacks to run, So I don't
Speaker 5: think we've seen like the upside of Stroud from a
Speaker 5: rushing perspective. But those guys, if you draft them as
Speaker 5: your QB two's right now based on ADP and where
Speaker 5: everybody's going, I like that because you probably got a
Speaker 5: quarterback one in that tier that we just talked about.
Speaker 5: And then if you get Bryce young and or CJ
Speaker 5: and they hit their ceiling, you're looking at two quarterback
Speaker 5: ones on your dynasty team, and that's how you win,
Speaker 5: maybe not necessarily this year. Maybe if you're in a
Speaker 5: startup you have that productive struggle that Fits talked about
Speaker 5: earlier where you can win that year too. But two
Speaker 5: top eight guys is really what you're looking for when
Speaker 5: you come down to super flex teams and you're building
Speaker 5: that way. So those two guys are you know, something
Speaker 5: to look at when you're looking at that and Stroud's
Speaker 5: going even lower. I've seen him going like the third
Speaker 5: round of drafts. That's a fun little like pick there,
Speaker 5: especially if he hits a ceiling.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm with Kevin on Stroud.
Speaker 4: And it's weird, like I sent some I don't know,
Speaker 4: reluctance on Stroud with a lot of people. And there
Speaker 4: was a guy in my home dynasty league who had
Speaker 4: the number four pick needs quarterbacks and passed on Stroud
Speaker 4: to take Tamir Gibbs and this is super flex and
Speaker 4: he said he would have taken Bryce Young had he
Speaker 4: been there at number four, but you know, the guy
Speaker 4: right in front of him took him, but he didn't
Speaker 4: like Stroud. And like, I don't know how you could
Speaker 4: not like Stroud seeing what he was able to do
Speaker 4: at Ohio State. And yes, I know he was blessed with,
Speaker 4: you know, arguably one of the best collections of wide
Speaker 4: receiver talent in college football history. But man, the guy's good,
Speaker 4: Like he is a pro stop i'll big armed passer.
Speaker 4: I mean, like, you know, go and read Thorn Eistrom's
Speaker 4: scouting report on CJ. Stroud if you want to get
Speaker 4: more enthusiastic about him, because Thor just gushes about him,
Speaker 4: and maybe it's because he's on the Texans. People don't
Speaker 4: believe in the Texans their weaponry. But like, it's not
Speaker 4: going to be this way forever. And granted I don't
Speaker 4: think he's going to light it up as a rookie,
Speaker 4: but as a quarterback you can grow with and who's
Speaker 4: going to be a big time asset for you in
Speaker 4: three or four years, if not sooner.
Speaker 3: Like, yeah, I'm all in on Stroud.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm with you, guys.
Speaker 2: I think this is a pretty good rookie class of qbs,
Speaker 2: and I think the floor is fairly high on all
Speaker 2: of them. I think the one I'm probably most concerned
Speaker 2: about would be Bryce Young just because of the size stuff,
Speaker 2: and I think that he is you know, he will
Speaker 2: escape big hits way better than Tua because he just
Speaker 2: manipulates the pocket so much better. He's one of the
Speaker 2: best calls pocket manipulators I've ever seen in my life.
Speaker 2: And I just don't think they're gonna ask him to
Speaker 2: run that much, which all obviously caps his ceiling like
Speaker 2: we said before, But I mean, if I'm gonna be
Speaker 2: concerned about someone, I think that is probably my biggest
Speaker 2: concern to those top three rookie qbs. Between Richardson, you know,
Speaker 2: his biggest concern is maybe not being accurate enough to
Speaker 2: be a reliable NFL quarterback. With Young it's just the size,
Speaker 2: and with Stroud it's kind of blending it all together,
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Speaker 1: All right, gentlemen, the last tier of QBS here.
Speaker 2: The Tier three of twenty five through thirty six stands
Speaker 2: as Trey Lance at twenty five, Mac Jones at twenty six,
Speaker 2: followed by Brock Perdy, Matthew Stafford, Will Levis at twenty nine,
Speaker 2: Sam Howel at thirty, Jimmy G, Desmond Ritter, Ryan Tannehill,
Speaker 2: Hen and Hooker at thirty four, Baker Mayfield at thirty five,
Speaker 2: and Sam Darnold at thirty six. And in this tier,
Speaker 2: we're all way above ECR on Trey Lance, we're all
Speaker 2: slightly above on Levis and Ritter, we're all slightly below
Speaker 2: on Party. Kevin is high man here between the three
Speaker 2: of us On Stafford and Jimmy G at above and
Speaker 2: below ECR for Mayfield and Donald and Bogman hates Bryan
Speaker 2: Tannehill because I have him ranked at number forty are
Speaker 2: the notes that I have here, So let's just start
Speaker 2: with Trey Lance. We're all higher than ECR on Trey Lance, Kevin,
Speaker 2: So can you explain it? Do you have a good
Speaker 2: argument for this or is this frustrating for you?
Speaker 5: This is me like Johnny Depp on that movie when
Speaker 5: he's going down the ship and he's just like, you
Speaker 5: know what, I believe in the talent. I think that
Speaker 5: I just look at Lance and I'm like, you get
Speaker 5: I know the draft capital is there, and I understand
Speaker 5: that they moved on from Zach Wilson, but we haven't
Speaker 5: been able to see what like Lance is yet, Like
Speaker 5: we just have it. We saw them monsoon last year,
Speaker 5: then he got injured. I think that the dynasty, like
Speaker 5: I know, there's a quote from Schefter talk at but
Speaker 5: I think that got taken out of context a little bit,
Speaker 5: like when you heard him speak, it was a little
Speaker 5: bit different than how like's not reporting yeah, and people
Speaker 5: took it as like reports, Oh you see, and it's
Speaker 5: like no, I think when you look at it, I
Speaker 5: think that there is a real possibility that Kyle Shanahan
Speaker 5: didn't want Trey Lance though, and I think maybe that's
Speaker 5: the one guy that just didn't want him, and then
Speaker 5: that's what we're seeing now. And so from like a
Speaker 5: dynasty value perspective, like he has to try. He's got
Speaker 5: to get a shot, in my opinion, to start, like
Speaker 5: you have to see what you have with him because
Speaker 5: of the ceiling that you could have. But you can't
Speaker 5: tell me that someone else isn't going to take a
Speaker 5: shot on Trey Lance. With some of the starting quarterbacks
Speaker 5: around the league, like, yeah, come on, what are we
Speaker 5: talking about here? In next year's class, there's two, for
Speaker 5: sure guys maybe May Drake May and Caleb Williams. But
Speaker 5: outside of that, you cannot tell me that a team
Speaker 5: out there that really needs well maybe Minnesota, maybe one
Speaker 5: of these middle lean tiers that have these older quarterbacks,
Speaker 5: won't go try to get Lance. So, like, I still
Speaker 5: think where we have him in our rankings is fine
Speaker 5: based on that belief.
Speaker 6: And if he does start with San Francisco, his value is.
Speaker 5: Going to shoot through the roof anyway, So you're gonna
Speaker 5: be able to get back on that. I just believe
Speaker 5: in the talent and I'm just gonna stick with it.
Speaker 5: That's really where it comes down to.
Speaker 2: I completely agree with that. And Trey Lance just turned
Speaker 2: twenty three years old. You know, he came into the
Speaker 2: league as a very young man, so it's not a
Speaker 2: surprise to see him hit some bumps, although they are
Speaker 2: bigger bumps than we expected, maybe if his head coach
Speaker 2: didn't want him. So you know, unfortunately, this is not
Speaker 2: really something that you can expect for this season. So
Speaker 2: Trey Lance is a by low guy right now. But
Speaker 2: we're we're all saying, if you're getting him low, you're
Speaker 2: getting him out of value of value right now.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, so much of what Kevin said about
Speaker 4: Lance makes sense. I mean, he's going to get a
Speaker 4: shot somewhere, and we'd like to see him get a
Speaker 4: shot with the forty nine ers because of this talent
Speaker 4: Aronetty jets.
Speaker 1: How much longer is Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 3: Around, right?
Speaker 1: You know that could be an option for him.
Speaker 4: I mean, or if Jordan Love falls on his face, hey,
Speaker 4: I'd take him up in Green Bay next year. So yeah,
Speaker 4: I mean, there are a lot of possible landing spots
Speaker 4: and he will get a shot, if not in twenty
Speaker 4: twenty three, then by twenty twenty four. And it does feel,
Speaker 4: admittedly like the forty nine Ers and Kyle Shanahan are
Speaker 4: putting their thumb on the scale for brock Purty. And
Speaker 4: you know, as Kevin's colleague Dave Klugi said on Twitter,
Speaker 4: like maybe, you know, the forty nine ers have been
Speaker 4: around this guy three years, maybe they don't believe in him.
Speaker 3: That could be the case, But I also think it could.
Speaker 4: Be I don't know, And I suggested this on the
Speaker 4: show that Kevin and I did yesterday that maybe I
Speaker 4: can't help but feel like there's a little bit of
Speaker 4: maybe like ego with Kyle Shanahan, like he just wants
Speaker 4: the guy to run his system and like stick to
Speaker 4: the script because he believes so you know, his convictions
Speaker 4: in his system are just so ironclad that he wants
Speaker 4: a guy who's going to run it faithfully. And maybe
Speaker 4: Lance is like sort of this, you know, a little
Speaker 4: bit of a freelancer. And I was talking about how,
Speaker 4: you know, Brett Farv used to drive Mike Holmgren crazy
Speaker 4: when Mike Holmgren was like this Bill Walsh West Coast
Speaker 4: offense disciple on Farv comes in and you know, just
Speaker 4: plays with his hair on fire, and like I thought
Speaker 4: Holmgren was gonna have a heart attack on the sidelines
Speaker 4: a couple of times in Farv's early years.
Speaker 3: Like I wonder if that's a little bit of what's.
Speaker 4: Going on with the Lance Shanahan dynamic, and like Shanahan
Speaker 4: would just rather have the game manager.
Speaker 3: So yeah, but like the talent is there.
Speaker 4: We know he's he can move the needle as a runner,
Speaker 4: and I think he's got a you know, big league arm.
Speaker 4: I don't think there's any question about the arm talent.
Speaker 4: Maybe not justin Herbert type arm talent, but definitely good
Speaker 4: En Off arm talent.
Speaker 3: So the guy's gonna get his chance.
Speaker 4: And you know, like I took him at seven oh
Speaker 4: one in a super flex dynasty startup a couple of
Speaker 4: weeks ago, and like I'm totally content with getting him there.
Speaker 3: And you know, like I think that bakes in some
Speaker 3: of the risk.
Speaker 4: Like, yes, I acknowledge there's a chance he just never
Speaker 4: lives up to the draft capital I mean, heck, Zach
Speaker 4: Wilson was the number two pick in the draft, and
Speaker 4: I don't think anyone's expecting Zach Wilson to turn into
Speaker 4: even like, you know, a regular starting quarterback at this point.
Speaker 4: So would it shock me if Lancebus didn't know, but
Speaker 4: I'm still willing to make.
Speaker 3: That bet on him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, me too, And like like you said, just very
Speaker 2: goodbye opportunity for him right now with people kind of
Speaker 2: being down on him, Kevin, is there anyone you feel
Speaker 2: strong about? Because like I said, you're hymen at Stafford
Speaker 2: and Jimmy g but those guys are those are like
Speaker 2: guys with starting jobs. So yes, you just got to
Speaker 2: put him in the top thirty two because they're starting
Speaker 2: right now.
Speaker 1: And blah blah blah.
Speaker 2: Is there anyone that you have a strong feeling about
Speaker 2: in this tier?
Speaker 1: Maybe?
Speaker 2: You know, do you really like Will Levis? Do you
Speaker 2: feel like you're completely out on Sam Howe or anything?
Speaker 2: Is there someone that like stirs up a lot of
Speaker 2: vitriol in you here?
Speaker 5: This is a pretty blah to me in this area here,
Speaker 5: but I will I'll point out Will Levis.
Speaker 6: I think you know.
Speaker 5: I'm with you on Tannehill though, like I understand why
Speaker 5: you rank him that low.
Speaker 6: He was bad last year. What is that gonna look like?
Speaker 5: Because I think the thing with Tannehill is his athleticism
Speaker 5: is going, and we all know if Tannehill's athleticism is going,
Speaker 5: he was sneaky athletic over his career. If that's going
Speaker 5: that kind of made him a little bit better. And
Speaker 5: with that receiving room, what if Levis comes in week
Speaker 5: seven or eight and looks really good and puts him
Speaker 5: to his point where they're not gonna be able to
Speaker 5: get a quarterback next year in the draft, and they're
Speaker 5: gonna roll with Levis. So you're gonna get a QB
Speaker 5: three on your draft if you're in a in a draft,
Speaker 5: he's going as around a QB three on your team,
Speaker 5: and then he's gonna shoot up in price. Right, it
Speaker 5: wouldn't shock me to see will Levis, you know, be
Speaker 5: in like the eighteen range next year if he gets
Speaker 5: that starting job and you believe in him. So Levis
Speaker 5: to me is like the upside play here in this
Speaker 5: tier if you can grab him. He plays kind of well,
Speaker 5: kind of can he pick it ish right, Like okay,
Speaker 5: he plays kind of well in the arm yeah, yeah,
Speaker 5: And he gets into that area and then maybe they
Speaker 5: build around him in terms of like they actually have
Speaker 5: some other wide receivers outside to Tramm Burks on that
Speaker 5: team and and they and then you're like, okay, I
Speaker 5: don't know how comfortable you still feel is a QB
Speaker 5: two range, but out of anybody, the value could be there.
Speaker 6: I think that's been ridder too.
Speaker 5: We could see his values jump up if they play well,
Speaker 5: but again that's a big if. That's that's the problem
Speaker 5: with these lower guys is how are they going to
Speaker 5: project moving forward?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Throw Howl in that bunch too, because he has great
Speaker 2: rushing upside. You know, uh that those guys all are
Speaker 2: They're very gray area, which nobody wants to hear in fantasy,
Speaker 2: but that's just that's just true. They are gray area,
Speaker 2: Like the ceiling is very high, the floor is very low,
Speaker 2: which makes them blurry and hard, uh to see exactly
Speaker 2: what we're gonna get from them.
Speaker 1: But they all have a very big upside.
Speaker 2: And my thing with Ryan Tannehill, it's not so much
Speaker 2: that I hate Ryan Tannehill. It's just that I know
Speaker 2: that the Titans hate Ryan Tannehill. And you know, uh,
Speaker 2: they tried to replace them last year with Malik Willis.
Speaker 2: Soon remember when they were getting crushed by the Bills,
Speaker 2: like week two or three, I think it was on
Speaker 2: a Monday night football, right, they brought him Malik Willis.
Speaker 2: Malik will looked just as bad as Ryan Tannehill, and
Speaker 2: they tried to bring him in again when Ryan Tannehill
Speaker 2: was banged up and he just didn't look good. Like
Speaker 2: they want to get this job out of Ryan Tannehill's hands,
Speaker 2: obviously and give it to somebody else. And they spent
Speaker 2: picks two years in a row, in the second, in
Speaker 2: the third round, and then in the second round to
Speaker 2: replace him.
Speaker 1: So he's getting replaced this year.
Speaker 2: It's just at what point in my mind, unless he
Speaker 2: just has some unbelievable resurgence here. So that's why I
Speaker 2: hate Tannehill fit see anyone we're all below on party?
Speaker 2: Is that just because Perdy to us is just kind
Speaker 2: of a game manager type, you know, That's kind of
Speaker 2: how I feel about him. I you know, I feel
Speaker 2: he's obviously much better than we gave him credit for
Speaker 2: coming into the league last year, but still not as
Speaker 2: good as people are making him out to be.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 4: He feasted on bad defenses last year. I mean, like,
Speaker 4: go back and look at the schedule. He adds feast
Speaker 4: and on bad defenses, and like then he runs up
Speaker 4: against the Cowboys in the playoffs and like didn't really
Speaker 4: have much success in a game the Cowboys should have won, Sorry, Kevin. Yeah, So, like,
Speaker 4: I am very skeptical about Purty, Like I think, you know,
Speaker 4: his future is sort of high end back up maybe,
Speaker 4: and so yeah, I mean I would almost.
Speaker 3: Rather have Sam Darnold, I think for dynasty.
Speaker 4: Quite frankly, Sam Howell is really intriguing to me, Like,
Speaker 4: and I'm not a Sam Hull truther by any means,
Speaker 4: but I like, I thought his prospect profile was actually
Speaker 4: and this isn't saying a lot, because the class of
Speaker 4: twenty twenty two at quarterback was just hot garbage juice.
Speaker 4: But Sam, like Sam Howell, I thought was probably the
Speaker 4: best most well rounded quarterback prospect. A guy who came
Speaker 4: into a team North Carolina in a Power five conference
Speaker 4: and played really really well as a freshman sophomore and
Speaker 4: then lost all his skill position talent. Javonte Williams, Michael Carter,
Speaker 4: Dmmy Brown, das K Newsome, all those guys leave, and
Speaker 4: you know, he wasn't terrible as a junior, but he
Speaker 4: fell off a little bit, and I think that's sort
Speaker 4: of like sort of hurt his draft momentum. And so
Speaker 4: I'm curious to see how he fits in with Washington
Speaker 4: and whether he can. And like, I think the commanders
Speaker 4: are just sort of dipping a toe in the water.
Speaker 4: I don't think they're making any sort of big commitment
Speaker 4: to Sam Howell as their quarterback of the future. But
Speaker 4: I don't know what you would you guys, rather have
Speaker 4: Sam Howe or Will Levis.
Speaker 2: I rather have Will Levis, Yeah, and that's because you
Speaker 2: can't teach that arm talent two people, and you know
Speaker 2: he has. I think he has better rushing upside than
Speaker 2: Sam Howell. Like Sam Howe to me, runs hard. He's
Speaker 2: like a little right handed Tim Tebow. I don't know
Speaker 2: if he has the body to run that hard though,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Like I mean like he
Speaker 2: gonna get busted in half if they let him run
Speaker 2: too much in his first year as a star. So
Speaker 2: for me, I'd rather have Will Levis just because that
Speaker 2: arm telling and the running upside. Like if he gets hit, he's,
Speaker 2: you know, like Ben Roethlisberger size, so he's gonna give
Speaker 2: as many hits as he takes. Will Levis Sam how
Speaker 2: much smaller guy, but the talent around Sam how much
Speaker 2: better than what we have in Tennessee. For Levis, outside
Speaker 2: of course, Derrick Henry so but he's not catching too
Speaker 2: many passes, So yeah, I think I'd rather have him.
Speaker 1: But I think that's fair.
Speaker 2: I think that's you know, and that's everybody wants a
Speaker 2: black and white ranking.
Speaker 1: We can't give you black and white. We give you
Speaker 1: gray area.
Speaker 2: And we talk about the differences in ECRs and where
Speaker 2: we stand versus ECR against people to kind of show
Speaker 2: you what the possible options for these guys are. A
Speaker 2: guy that I don't have, a guy that I'm high
Speaker 2: on that we didn't talk about. I'll just give you
Speaker 2: guys one. And I didn't realize I was going to
Speaker 2: be this high on this guy. But I think I'm
Speaker 2: a high man maybe in the world on Kyle Trask.
Speaker 2: And I like Kyle Trask because Trask has a gigantic arm.
Speaker 2: And he got better every year at Florida. Like he
Speaker 2: wasn't good to start, he was bad. He almost got
Speaker 2: replaced he was so bad his first year starting. Then
Speaker 2: he got better and then he was the Heisman front
Speaker 2: runner for over fifty percent of the season his last
Speaker 2: year at Florida. And you know, you sit behind the
Speaker 2: goat for a couple of seasons, you sit behind Tom
Speaker 2: Brady and learn behind him. Guess what, Tom Brady is
Speaker 2: the exact same profile as Trask, a guy that cannot
Speaker 2: manipulate the pocket, that needs to get rid of the
Speaker 2: ball quick. But Trask has a better arm. But obviously,
Speaker 2: you know who knows what's in his mind, He's not
Speaker 2: gonna be able to pick through defenses like Tom Brady.
Speaker 2: So I just think that there's a possibility. I see
Speaker 2: a scenario where Trask wins this job and is successful
Speaker 2: because Godwin and Evans are good receiving options, So I'm
Speaker 2: higher on him. Is there anybody else you, guys, Kevin,
Speaker 2: I'll start with you. Anybody else not on the list,
Speaker 2: or that we didn't talk about that you want to
Speaker 2: pine for, or anyone that you want to maybe rip
Speaker 2: down their value a little bit.
Speaker 5: No, I think the Trash call is really good because
Speaker 5: when he was successful, he had good weapons around him,
Speaker 5: and they have great weapons in Tampa. So like, if
Speaker 5: you're gonna go on anything, and he's competing with Baker Mayfield,
Speaker 5: so there's a shot that he can he can get
Speaker 5: out there. You know the guy that kind of maybe
Speaker 5: stands out to me a little bit, And I cannot
Speaker 5: believe I'm actually mentioning his name because I thought I
Speaker 5: was done with this kid. Stetson been it from Georgia.
Speaker 5: There is a chance that Stetson. I think the coaching
Speaker 5: staff really likes Stetson Bennett, and from everything that I've
Speaker 5: been hearing in the off season, McVeigh is in love
Speaker 5: with this kid. If Stafford isn't ready to go, if
Speaker 5: that injury and that stuff's going on in that, you know,
Speaker 5: with whatever is happening with him, we know he's taking
Speaker 5: his shots in his career and I don't know how
Speaker 5: much more time he has left. I hope he has
Speaker 5: one really good year left, but if he doesn't, I
Speaker 5: think Stetson can.
Speaker 6: Be manageable in that situation.
Speaker 5: They use the fourth or fifth round pick, I think
Speaker 5: it was the fourth round pick with stets in there.
Speaker 6: I think that they think he can kind of be
Speaker 6: in that system.
Speaker 5: And I think mcvay's got a little Shanahan in him, like, oh,
Speaker 5: I got this quarterback, he's my guy in this system.
Speaker 6: I can make it work. They have the weapons.
Speaker 5: I do think that, you know, that offensive line, they're
Speaker 5: getting it better. But you know, with Puka coming, they
Speaker 5: have obviously Cooper cup Akers those guys in there. I
Speaker 5: don't know, maybe Stetson gets a little run this year
Speaker 5: and now we're starting to see him as like, oh,
Speaker 5: maybe he they like him more than what we expect.
Speaker 2: Fitzy, anybody off the list that you didn't talk about
Speaker 2: that you want to pine for right now?
Speaker 4: By no means am I touting this guy as a
Speaker 4: future star or anything. But man, everyone has just wanted
Speaker 4: to throw Malik Willis out with the trash. I've actually
Speaker 4: seen him released from some twenty eight man roster dynasty leagues. Like,
Speaker 4: we knew he was going to be a project as
Speaker 4: a quarterback going into last year, but I think.
Speaker 1: People might not have had him on the list there.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I think people were so dismayed that
Speaker 4: the Titans actually turned to Josh Dobbs before they reinserted
Speaker 4: Malik Willis late last season that that was just like sort.
Speaker 3: Of a final straw for people.
Speaker 4: But we knew Willis as a passer was absolutely a
Speaker 4: work in progress, and he still has like that, you know,
Speaker 4: pretty magical rushing ability. So like, I wouldn't be surprised
Speaker 4: if he, you know, resurfaced somewhere as a backup and
Speaker 4: a starter gets hurt a couple of years down the
Speaker 4: line and he comes in, Yeah, exactly, And he's a
Speaker 4: guy like who people are rushing to the waiver wire
Speaker 4: to get or trading for. Suddenly you know you're you're
Speaker 4: just sitting there with Malik Willis buried on your depth chart,
Speaker 4: and someone's offering you like a second rounder, who knows,
Speaker 4: maybe even a first.
Speaker 3: Round or for. But like, I wouldn't totally bury the guy.
Speaker 4: I wouldn't mind him, you know, if the rosters are
Speaker 4: big enough, I would not mind having him at the
Speaker 4: end of my roster.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's not surprising to because it was so
Speaker 2: ugly what we saw last year for people to kind
Speaker 2: of go and you know, the Titans also spent a
Speaker 2: third round pick on him and then went and spent
Speaker 2: a second round pick on will Levis, right, and they
Speaker 2: were trying to trade up for a quarterback before that too,
Speaker 2: if we believe what the rumors we here are. So
Speaker 2: it's understandable for people to not even consider him because
Speaker 2: he is so buried right now. But I think he
Speaker 2: is a project and this is a guy that could potentially,
Speaker 2: you know, land with a different team in a different
Speaker 2: scenario and become a decent NFL quarterback. But you know,
Speaker 2: you have to have pretty deep rosters or like a
Speaker 2: taxi squad or something to sit on Willis for a
Speaker 2: long time. If you have your standard whatever, you know,
Speaker 2: eighteen man roster with ten starting spots and eight bench
Speaker 2: or whatever, yeah, there's not really a spot for him there.
Speaker 2: But if you're deeper than that, or if you're just
Speaker 2: in a big league, then yeah, don't take him completely
Speaker 2: off your radar.
Speaker 1: I think I agree with that.
Speaker 2: So did we get everything, Kevin? Did we get everything
Speaker 2: for you? We cover all the quarterbacks you want to cover. Yeah,
Speaker 2: we dived in pretty well. Just please be good, Trey Lance.
Speaker 5: Please please for me and my following, please be good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean we all expect him to be better. Fits.
Speaker 1: We didn't miss anyone. You got everybody we wanted to
Speaker 1: talk about.
Speaker 3: No, that's it.
Speaker 4: We you know, we fought the Trey Lance crusades and
Speaker 4: we just have to hope, hope that works out so
Speaker 4: we don't look too bad.
Speaker 1: All right, Well, that will wrap it up for us.
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