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Speaker 3: fifty minutes to get into the ten minutes of the juice.
Speaker 2: We're just going to jump right into it. And speaking
Speaker 2: of juice.
Speaker 3: I have two guys here that decided to stop juice
Speaker 3: from flowing from your body in the eighties. Okay, So
Speaker 3: today I've got Bart Goolong and I've got Charlie Barber. Okay,
Speaker 3: and those two in the eighties. That's right, when Rambo
Speaker 3: was coming out on theaters in nineteen eighty eighty three,
Speaker 3: these guys were like, how do we stop blood from
Speaker 3: flowing out of an open chest wound?
Speaker 2: Welcome to the show, gentlemen, Thanks so much, Thank you, Ron.
Speaker 3: I mean there's more introduction. Right, let's talk about quick clot. Right,
Speaker 3: you guys are the quick clot duo?
Speaker 2: Is that correct?
Speaker 4: Kind of Charlie wrote the book, my partner and I
Speaker 4: with other products right in the Blood, right, Charlie in
Speaker 4: the Blood.
Speaker 5: I'll set it up and then turn it over to Bart.
Speaker 5: So I had nothing to do with the invention of
Speaker 5: quick clot. I'm the writer. So I met Bart about
Speaker 5: ten odd years ago. Please tell us how you met Okay, So,
Speaker 5: I'm a book author. My book that we're talking about
Speaker 5: today in the Blood is my fifth book and just
Speaker 5: came out about two weeks ago. And I did meet
Speaker 5: Bart ten years ago. Truth be told. He was going
Speaker 5: out with a woman who lived across the street from
Speaker 5: my wife and I who we were friendly with, and
Speaker 5: we would be called in, my wife and I to
Speaker 5: sort of check out men that after they got to
Speaker 5: a certain stage with her, to see if they were okay.
Speaker 5: So we get summoned to Old Sayber, Connecticut August eleven,
Speaker 5: I believe it was. And I meet Bart and it's
Speaker 5: a very nice house on the shore in Connecticut, beautiful
Speaker 5: views of the ocean. And he said he had just retired,
Speaker 5: and I said, I basically said, being the writer and journalist,
Speaker 5: And I am where did you make your money? Because
Speaker 5: you know it's a nice spot, Yeah, said I and
Speaker 5: my partner invented a blood clotting agent called quick clot
Speaker 5: that I'm sure all of your viewers are familiar with.
Speaker 5: It's now in the first aid kit of every soldier
Speaker 5: in marine. It's at Walmart, it's at NYPD. But it
Speaker 5: took years to pull it off, and we had a
Speaker 5: big fight with the army over six years to make
Speaker 5: it happen. And this happened between well, it goes back
Speaker 5: to the eighties, but it really was two thousand and
Speaker 5: one to twoy ten that it all went down. So
Speaker 5: I'm thinking, you know, there might be a book here,
Speaker 5: you know, just based on what he said. So we
Speaker 5: stayed in touch. I didn't get round to writing the
Speaker 5: book about three years ago, and here we are today.
Speaker 5: The book came out two weeks ago. Bart, you probably
Speaker 5: have something else to add to that story.
Speaker 4: Yet again, I always add this, and that is uh.
Speaker 4: I was interested in Charlie doing a book. He was
Speaker 4: interested in doing a book. The lady and I broke
Speaker 4: up at about two months after we broke up, I
Speaker 4: gave her a call and said, whatever happened to Charlie?
Speaker 4: He seemed very interested in the book, she said, he
Speaker 4: changed his mind. He wants nothing to do with it,
Speaker 4: of course, of course, of course, no fury, hell, no,
Speaker 4: exactly exactly. And so now you guys reconnected, right. How'd
Speaker 4: you finally get his number? Though you just looked him up?
Speaker 4: You're like, nah, all right, thanks for the what'd you do?
Speaker 4: How'd you find a Bart?
Speaker 5: Yes? I had his number, you know, and I had
Speaker 5: written two other books in the intervening time, but my
Speaker 5: my docket got clear about almost four years ago, and
Speaker 5: so I had Bart's number and I called him six
Speaker 5: times over a weekend and he didn't pick up, and
Speaker 5: I was like, okay, he you know, I sort of disappeared.
Speaker 5: You know, he doesn't want to do this, move on
Speaker 5: to the next thing. So I remember as a Monday,
Speaker 5: I texted him and he called me right back and
Speaker 5: he said, oh, I just thought it was a you know,
Speaker 5: someone was bothering me. I didn't recognize the number. And
Speaker 5: within about we had I remember we talked for like
Speaker 5: an hour and a half and then within a week
Speaker 5: we were all systems go. He did have to check
Speaker 5: with his partner if he was up for the book.
Speaker 5: I remember saying to Bart, if we're going to do this,
Speaker 5: you need to be able to tell me the full story,
Speaker 5: warts and all. Are you up for that? He said absolutely?
Speaker 5: And then honestly, Base, I do other things. But basically
Speaker 5: two years full time work over the last three years,
Speaker 5: and we've got this book that's pretty hot right now.
Speaker 3: Right and it's called In the Blood, and it's the
Speaker 3: story of you Ry Bart.
Speaker 4: Essentially, it's the story of myself and my partner and
Speaker 4: the way we came together, and how we came together
Speaker 4: and gained the support of individuals in both the community
Speaker 4: and in the Navy medical community, in the soft community,
Speaker 4: and put this product together and then ran up against
Speaker 4: one individual at the Institute for Surgical Research that started
Speaker 4: a three year long battle that eventually fortunately the product one.
Speaker 4: I don't say we write because it's the product that
Speaker 4: won and we were able to get quick Plot and
Speaker 4: its son, Quick clot Combat goes into the hands of
Speaker 4: the people that needed it.
Speaker 3: Now, if I can just like, let's think about like
Speaker 3: some World War two movie that we've seen where they've
Speaker 3: ripped open a pouch of something and started pouring it
Speaker 3: on the wound, on a belly or whatnot, and flash
Speaker 3: forward to today. Are we starting to see kind of
Speaker 3: like quick clock coming out in the World War two time?
Speaker 4: What you see your reward World War two is sulfa powder,
Speaker 4: which was the precursor of antibiotics. It was a fairly
Speaker 4: ineffective anti bacterial. That's what would be poured into the wound.
Speaker 4: As Tom Eagles was our POC in the Navy Marine community.
Speaker 4: He was the head of medical for the Marine Corps,
Speaker 4: which means he was a Corman from the Navy and
Speaker 4: tremendous guy, appropriately named most highly decorated Corman in the
Speaker 4: Vietnam War, died from Agent Orange complications. Of course, yes,
Speaker 4: serve six tours. I believe, won everything except the except
Speaker 4: the medal.
Speaker 2: W Yeah.
Speaker 4: In fact, he's the only non pilot to win the
Speaker 4: Distinguished Flying Cross. He had a pilot, he had a
Speaker 4: helicopter pilot die on him. He grabbed the controls and landed,
Speaker 4: landed the bird. Just an amazing guy. Without him, we
Speaker 4: never would we never would have made it. But he
Speaker 4: took us under his wing and helped us make the
Speaker 4: whole thing happened, and helped us fight the battle, the
Speaker 4: age old battle between the Marines and the Army, and
Speaker 4: he helped us fight and eventually win that battle.
Speaker 2: And say his name one more time, so we have
Speaker 2: it clearly.
Speaker 4: Sure, Master Chief Thomas Eagles.
Speaker 3: All right, So forever it'll be out there on the internet,
Speaker 3: and then if anybody watches that, his name is always
Speaker 3: going to be said from voice.
Speaker 2: I just want you to have that.
Speaker 4: With an incredible honor to even speak his name, you.
Speaker 3: Know, And so thank you for diving into saving lives.
Speaker 3: I mean, someone had to go in and try to split,
Speaker 3: you know, atoms to create that, and you guys had
Speaker 3: to at least go into the science lab and start
Speaker 3: dissecting air and things that would start to clock blood.
Speaker 2: What was your thoughts?
Speaker 3: I mean, you're just like, you know, you come from
Speaker 3: your military brat, right, your dad's former military right, right,
Speaker 3: So you got that love and an English major, English major, right?
Speaker 2: He was what navy? World War two and.
Speaker 4: Maybe World War two? And I was an opponent of
Speaker 4: the Vietnam War, But unlike most of my friends, unfortunately
Speaker 4: for them, I was always anti war. But my attitude
Speaker 4: was hate the war, love the warrior. There you go
Speaker 4: for me. Anybody that will go down range and put
Speaker 4: their life on the line for this country, regardless of
Speaker 4: the reason, and they don't have an opportunity to choose
Speaker 4: the reason, they forever deserved tremendous honor in my book.
Speaker 4: But let's go back to the way it started.
Speaker 2: Let's do it.
Speaker 4: My partner, Frank Hersey is a genius.
Speaker 5: Go ahead, Charlie, Oh yeah, I think probably the way
Speaker 5: to go is I'll sort of set it up and
Speaker 5: then Bart can give the details. So you're right, rat
Speaker 5: about the eighties, not about World War Two, because in
Speaker 5: World War Two they were basically using gauze and pressure,
Speaker 5: which is what there was basically no advances in traumatic
Speaker 5: bleeding from the Trojan War and the Civil War through Vietnam.
Speaker 5: It was the Blackhawk Down tragedy or mission that really
Speaker 5: where soldiers infamously bled out that put the Army and
Speaker 5: also just medicine's inability to stanch volume bleeding on put
Speaker 5: a huge spotlight on it and it was sort of crazy.
Speaker 5: I mean, keeping blood in the body was like this
Speaker 5: un all medical mystery that had been unsolved for too millennia.
Speaker 5: Pressure and gauze was what was being used. So Black
Speaker 5: Hawk Down, big movie, big book, a lot of attention
Speaker 5: to the bleeding issue within the military and particularly the army.
Speaker 5: So starting in the mid nineties, there's eventually a quarter
Speaker 5: of a billion dollars put into ways of stanch bleeding
Speaker 5: and they're all high tech, bioengineered solutions. Essentially create adding
Speaker 5: something to blood or to a wound on a bandage
Speaker 5: that enhances the clotting process, usually adding an actual clotting protein.
Speaker 5: Very expensive, very complicated issues with transmission of things like
Speaker 5: hepatitis because you're getting it from an animal. Right, you're
Speaker 5: bioengineering it from an animal. So quarter of a billion
Speaker 5: dollar like a race to solve bleeding. So Bart's partner
Speaker 5: in nineteen eighty three a guy called Frank, and the
Speaker 5: book is basically about Frank and Bart. He's a struggling
Speaker 5: mechanical engineer in an industrial park near Hartford, and he
Speaker 5: can't always pay his bills. He brings in a courts
Speaker 5: heater to heat the office some months. He's a great engineer,
Speaker 5: but he can't. He'd be the first to say this.
Speaker 5: He can't sell anything really right. But he's using this
Speaker 5: mineral to separate gases. He makes oxygen and hydrogen machines
Speaker 5: and nitrogen machines, and he uses a mineral called zeolite.
Speaker 5: Just think it looks like kitty litter. It's strip mind
Speaker 5: from Georgia. It's super cheap, and he pushes gases through
Speaker 5: this to create an oxygen enriched gas for breathing purposes.
Speaker 5: He's working entirely by himself. He thinks, hold on this zeolite.
Speaker 5: So two heaping tablespoons of zeolite has the surface area
Speaker 5: of a football field because it's all sliced up in
Speaker 5: so many bits. So it captures stuff, and it captures
Speaker 5: things in air and lets the oxygen go through. So
Speaker 5: he's entirely on his own head. Filters, it filters it.
Speaker 5: It's a sieve exactly. It's a perfect sieve. It's a
Speaker 5: perfect perfectness. It was used, as you're a noble, to
Speaker 5: absorb radiation. So he thinks, hold on, I don't know much.
Speaker 3: Using water to pour through rocks and you know rocks
Speaker 3: filt to the water, right, kind of that analogy for
Speaker 3: my listener. You know, you're pouring all your water through
Speaker 3: different rocks sediment and it comes out clean, right exactly.
Speaker 5: So he thinks he doesn't know much about blood. He's
Speaker 5: not a scientist, you know, a medical person, but he
Speaker 5: thinks there's he knows there's water in blood. So he
Speaker 5: just on his own. He doesn't talk to anybody about this.
Speaker 5: Maybe if I put the kitty litter into a wound,
Speaker 5: it'll absorb the water and it'll keep the clotting factors
Speaker 5: and the platelets, and that will turbocharge the clotting process,
Speaker 5: two things. Nobody in the history of medicine had ever
Speaker 5: thought of taking something away from blood to clot blood.
Speaker 5: Everything was adding right, So I call him the Ringo
Speaker 5: Star of Inventors. It's like simplicity, like the genius of simplicity.
Speaker 5: Let's just take the stuff away and your viewers can
Speaker 5: see it on YouTube if you look up quickclot there
Speaker 5: are trials on pigs and he was exactly right. It
Speaker 5: turns blood into jello in about thirty seconds, and it's.
Speaker 2: Little like coagulated.
Speaker 5: Bart has probably talked about the science a bit more
Speaker 5: than me, but Frank's basic insight was exactly correct. However,
Speaker 5: he's not a business guy. He writes a patent, he
Speaker 5: tries to sell it. The drug companies sneer at him.
Speaker 5: Actually most of them never even respond. Only one responds.
Speaker 5: He then loses the patent because he can't afford to
Speaker 5: keep it going. He meets Bart in nineteen ninety nine,
Speaker 5: like sixteen years later. Bart turns around his business of
Speaker 5: the gas machines because Bart's a natural and brilliant salesman.
Speaker 5: Nine to eleven happens. Bart brings this product, which is
Speaker 5: literally they take out of the barrel in Industrial Connecticut,
Speaker 5: they put the stuff in the microwave to they think
Speaker 5: it'll be a little drier and better to absorb. Send
Speaker 5: it to a trial run by the Navy in March
Speaker 5: two thousand and one, so it's right after nine to
Speaker 5: eleven two thousand and two, excuse me. And it's put
Speaker 5: up against thirty products that are all the high tech
Speaker 5: products that the military has looked at. Thirty products, they
Speaker 5: are now six finalists. Bart through Tom Eagles gets on
Speaker 5: at the last second and this dried up kitty litter
Speaker 5: that's like ten dollars a pouch outperforms every other product
Speaker 5: they put it onto. Six hundred and fifty pounds swine
Speaker 5: cut them in the femeral artery, which is one hundred
Speaker 5: percent fatal injury. Their product, which doesn't even have a
Speaker 5: name at this point, is the only one where all
Speaker 5: the pigs survive. I'll let Bart tell the rest of
Speaker 5: the story.
Speaker 3: That's amazing, first of all, I mean, really, you know,
Speaker 3: to set it up like that where you know they
Speaker 3: fatally cut the artery and then through the quote unquote
Speaker 3: what we're gonna call it kitty litter, but it's going
Speaker 3: to get a name here in a minute. Bart, what
Speaker 3: are you feeling right here when it's clotting up? You know,
Speaker 3: you're you're seeing it work. The trials are going the
Speaker 3: way you want them to you got to be feeling good.
Speaker 4: Well I was. We're all a little skeptical, and Frank
Speaker 4: is the kind of guy that reminds you of the
Speaker 4: absent minded professor who invented flubber, and so I was
Speaker 4: never one convinced the product worked, but we were the
Speaker 4: outside kid. Prior to the trials. We went down and
Speaker 4: I went to a meeting of all the six products,
Speaker 4: with all of these very heavy mds and PhDs to
Speaker 4: discuss the protocol, the way the pigs would be cut,
Speaker 4: and what would happen and how it would all be done.
Speaker 4: And I sat there and listened to all of them
Speaker 4: argue about how it was going to be done and
Speaker 4: try to manipulate the process so that it fit their product.
Speaker 4: It came around to me after they spent about half
Speaker 4: an hour, and Joe decorda who was another player here,
Speaker 4: lieutenant commander in the navy and a genius, said to me,
Speaker 4: all right, well what about quickla, how do you feel
Speaker 4: about the protocol? I said, Frankly, the way I see it,
Speaker 4: nobody's going to ask some kid in the ditch how
Speaker 4: he wants to be wounded. So we have to work
Speaker 4: under any circumstance. So whatever you do, do it and
Speaker 4: that kind of put us in a good position right
Speaker 4: from the get go. And the product. What Charlie says
Speaker 4: is exactly right that the plot the product produced was
Speaker 4: like jello.
Speaker 2: It was a.
Speaker 4: Very it was very non oxygen based lot. So it
Speaker 4: was flexible, which means it would hold because when quick
Speaker 4: plot was applied, that wasn't the end, that was only
Speaker 4: the beginning. Then you had dust off an awful lot
Speaker 4: of transportation before you got to an aid station. And
Speaker 4: the beauty of it was that that plot was flexible
Speaker 4: but firm enough that it survived all the way to
Speaker 4: the aid station.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 4: And just like the whole concept is in wounding or
Speaker 4: in any traumatic injury, keep the blood in the body.
Speaker 4: That's right, because the blood keeps the body alive. And
Speaker 4: if you can keep the blood in the body, then
Speaker 4: you've got a good shot. And in fact, we're very fortunate.
Speaker 4: According There are various statistics, but the one that we
Speaker 4: know and understand the best is in every war from
Speaker 4: the Trojan War forward, the number of Kias in the
Speaker 4: field who bled to death was we're twenty one percent,
Speaker 4: was twenty one percent in Iraq. That number dropped to
Speaker 4: eleven percent. That's quick clot.
Speaker 2: That was a long war too.
Speaker 4: That was a long war.
Speaker 3: You know what I mean to have eleven percent, right,
Speaker 3: you know, like you know versus all the troops because
Speaker 3: we have so many veterans, We've millions of veterans from
Speaker 3: that fifteen to twenty year long excursion in the Middle
Speaker 3: East that they all were sent on. And I'm sure
Speaker 3: my listener might be a combat medic, may have had
Speaker 3: an IPAC, you know, some type of a medical pack
Speaker 3: on them that they had to go put this on
Speaker 3: their buddy. And they can probably talk about it too.
Speaker 3: I'm sure there are. You've got survivors who have given
Speaker 3: you testimonials like I'm alive because of quick clot.
Speaker 4: Fairly early in the war, I had moved to Florida.
Speaker 4: I had a Marine Corps license plate it said Q
Speaker 4: CLOT and I pulled up to I stopped at a
Speaker 4: stop light and a radiol pickup truck pulled up beside
Speaker 4: me and the guy, older guy signaled for me to
Speaker 4: lower my window and said, does that mean quick clot
Speaker 4: And I said, yeah, my partner and I invented it.
Speaker 4: He said, God bless you. That stuff saved my son's life,
Speaker 4: and then he drove off and left me dumbfounded.
Speaker 3: Yeah, rockstar moment right there for you. Although you're saving
Speaker 3: lives and you're not trying to be that, you are that.
Speaker 4: What we want to do is we want to see
Speaker 4: this product in the hands of anyone who gets wounded.
Speaker 4: Remember that last year, in the entire war, six thousand
Speaker 4: of our best and brightest died. In the past year,
Speaker 4: thirty six thousand people have died on the highways.
Speaker 3: Well, let's talk about gun violence that's been happening in
Speaker 3: our schools here in America. You know, this is a
Speaker 3: real thing and we shouldn't be afraid to address that problem.
Speaker 3: But I'm not trying to put that on this pedestal here.
Speaker 3: But having quick clot sadly is going to be better
Speaker 3: than not in that situation.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, And so any place, really I've had it.
Speaker 2: I've had quick clock. I got some back in two
Speaker 2: thousand and eight. Maybe I had a pack.
Speaker 3: It was like kind of like a greenish tanned, kind
Speaker 3: of rip it open style pack.
Speaker 2: You know, I think I have it somewhere a couple
Speaker 2: of them. Still.
Speaker 3: Does it expire or is it really just like a
Speaker 3: mineral that can last until it's needed.
Speaker 4: The FDA requires a sports created expiration date, so we do.
Speaker 2: Just like salt.
Speaker 3: I've got these great salt flats here in Utah that
Speaker 3: are dinosaur salt flats.
Speaker 2: Paper. Yeah, exactly a toilet paper, poor tree, you expired
Speaker 2: right right? Oh man? So has quick cloud ever been
Speaker 2: attributed to somebody?
Speaker 4: Uh?
Speaker 3: You know, you know, just like here it is man,
Speaker 3: they needed it at like in Vegas does does do?
Speaker 2: All the police departments now adopt it like Vegas strong
Speaker 2: and it.
Speaker 5: Just circle back for a moment. We I profile it
Speaker 5: in the book a soldier and a police officer whose
Speaker 5: lives were saved by quickclot. One was an Army lieutenant
Speaker 5: in Iraq, and five loses an arm and a leg
Speaker 5: in a bomb explosion under his humvey. The two guys
Speaker 5: he's with or killed instantly. He's thrown one hundred feet,
Speaker 5: takes them minutes to find him. Does lose an arm
Speaker 5: and a leg, but an Army medic gives him quick
Speaker 5: clot and it saves his life. I also profile a
Speaker 5: police officer in northern New Jersey who's shot in the
Speaker 5: femeral artery by a deranged man. Is given quick clot
Speaker 5: by on the on the roadside by a police officer
Speaker 5: who's a former marine who got quickclot from the war
Speaker 5: ont exposed to it. He survives, goes back to the
Speaker 5: police force. What's profound about that story is it circles
Speaker 5: back to black Hawk Down Jamie Smith's death. He was
Speaker 5: an Army private ranger of private who was shot in
Speaker 5: the federal artery and bleeds out because they can't reach
Speaker 5: the federal artery to pinch it, so they kind of
Speaker 5: impotently watch as he bleeds out and there's too much
Speaker 5: fire for them to get a helicopter to get him out.
Speaker 5: So it's the medical powerless to stop it because he
Speaker 5: just can't pinch it off. There's and there's no agent.
Speaker 5: This is before, this is ninety ninety three. There's no agent.
Speaker 5: It's the beginning of this race. And so the quick
Speaker 5: plot given to our friend, now Gerald Veneziano, the police officer,
Speaker 5: it's the same injury in the federal artery that you
Speaker 5: know happened twenty years before. Now there's quick clot and
Speaker 5: he you know, he's alive today. So however, there's another
Speaker 5: part of the story within with the intervention of Tom
Speaker 5: Eagles that bart was talking about with the Commander of
Speaker 5: the Marines, the Commandant of the Marines, and the adoption
Speaker 5: by the Navy and the Air Force and the Coast Guard.
Speaker 5: Quick Lot is in Iraq in late summer two amazingly
Speaker 5: five months after the trial. It's deemed mission critical and
Speaker 5: the FDA approves it in two months, which is extraordinary, right.
Speaker 2: Super fast yeh, super fast.
Speaker 5: War and people doing the right thing, and they have
Speaker 5: this slam trial. They have this slam slam.
Speaker 2: And how can you not want to approve it? Right? Right,
Speaker 2: it's saving lives.
Speaker 3: It's worth the life saved than any secondary effects of death.
Speaker 5: Exactly so, right, with fairly short time period, the Pentagon
Speaker 5: says it's saved fifteen soldiers and Marines lives. But the
Speaker 5: Army does not adopt it. All the other service branches
Speaker 5: adopt it, but the Army has another product that ultimately fails.
Speaker 5: Then they go to another product which is potentially very dangerous,
Speaker 5: that fails. Quick Clot is there with the other service branches,
Speaker 5: and it's not until the Army goes through these two
Speaker 5: agents that fail at high risk that Quickclot eventually wins.
Speaker 5: In eight and again Bart i just wrote about it.
Speaker 5: Bart lived it, so he's the one to tell the story.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 4: Fortunately, the soft community, because as you probably know, the
Speaker 4: soft community there's an entity onto itself financially and command wise.
Speaker 4: They had it when the Marines got it, because they
Speaker 4: can ignore all other protocols and whatever happens on the
Speaker 4: big army level. They had it, and in fact the
Speaker 4: way they got it first was the British Marines had
Speaker 4: it got wored very early on that our guys were
Speaker 4: trading bottles of Scotch for quick Clock so they could
Speaker 4: have it themselves. Oh, moms and wives were starting starting
Speaker 4: fundraisers to get quick Clock so it could be sent
Speaker 4: down range to their National Guard units that were.
Speaker 3: The personal purchase stuff. They wanted to try to personal
Speaker 3: purchase as wives of support home saying if our government's
Speaker 3: not giving it to the boys and the girls that
Speaker 3: need it, we're going to do something on the home
Speaker 3: front to try to give them this product. Was it
Speaker 3: available to the civilians to purchase or were you specifically
Speaker 3: workings or not? GSA, I don't want to say that,
Speaker 3: but like government at this point, I mean.
Speaker 4: We were mainly working government, but I was at I
Speaker 4: was at the Army Trauma Conference in Florida and feeling
Speaker 4: pretty low because to my mind, whatever and this is
Speaker 4: the way it was. Whatever happened at Fort Sam Houston
Speaker 4: determined everything the Army bought from a medical.
Speaker 2: In total medical area too. Fort Sam Houston, Yep, yep.
Speaker 4: But I was there and we were suffering the slings
Speaker 4: and arrows of all the guys that had been convinced
Speaker 4: by Fort Sam that our product was no good. And
Speaker 4: it was the chief surgeon, divisional surgeon of the tenth
Speaker 4: Mountain Division, of course, who came walking down the aisle said,
Speaker 4: show me your product. I showed it to him, told him,
Speaker 4: if it's improperly applied, there's a risk of a second
Speaker 4: degree burn. And he said to me, so second degree
Speaker 4: burn and you're alive, or no burn and you're dead, right.
Speaker 4: I said that that pretty much adds it up. I
Speaker 4: should tell you that Fort sm Houston, the institute the ISR,
Speaker 4: is against the product. And what he said was, I
Speaker 4: don't care what the laborat say. They don't get down
Speaker 4: range and get shot at by people they'd never met before.
Speaker 4: My guys are the ones that are out there putting
Speaker 4: their ass on the line. And I want this for
Speaker 4: my guys. That began a whole nother process of us
Speaker 4: realizing we're not going to sell it from the top down,
Speaker 4: so we started selling it from the bottom up. We
Speaker 4: went to individual units who had their credit cards for
Speaker 4: their unit, and every unit in line would max oute.
Speaker 4: We ended up selling it from the bottom up and
Speaker 4: created the tidle wave of sales at that that pissed
Speaker 4: off Fort Sam so much that they outlawed it. Oh
Speaker 4: what their next move was to outlaw the products.
Speaker 2: Someone's panties were ruffled.
Speaker 4: Yep, and uh it was. It was a serious battle
Speaker 4: that ended up on the Floria Congress, but eventually we won.
Speaker 2: What administration was.
Speaker 4: That that was George W.
Speaker 3: The junior Right, Yeah, okay, yeah, I mean if you're
Speaker 3: literally I have a cat, I have a litter box.
Speaker 3: It clumps really like it. I'm thinking about Brave Heart.
Speaker 3: I'm like so many blood wounds.
Speaker 2: And like hacks and like stabs and just.
Speaker 3: Like these flesh wounds that they probably could have lived from,
Speaker 3: right if they just like put sand on it, even
Speaker 3: just to clott it, just to like per se.
Speaker 4: Remember, it's got to be selective.
Speaker 3: It does, it does, It's specific. I understand it. But
Speaker 3: you design something from the earth. Everything that we have
Speaker 3: is from this earth.
Speaker 2: Man, oh man.
Speaker 4: You know I can't claim credit for that. It's my partner, Franker,
Speaker 4: that's right, has the genius that Charlie talked about. That's
Speaker 4: simple solutions for very complex problems, and that's what really
Speaker 4: can make this country work.
Speaker 5: You're right rad in that there's something brilliantly primitive about
Speaker 5: the solution that Frank came up with. There. If you
Speaker 5: go to ancient texts, Greek and Persian texts, they use
Speaker 5: clays on wounds and think of a dog rolling in
Speaker 5: the dirt after a wound. Right, And there's a mind
Speaker 5: boggling thing that I'll put out to you and your listeners.
Speaker 5: So the zelite that we're talking about eventually became synthetic zeolite,
Speaker 5: that is, you know, based on the actual mineral, but
Speaker 5: a synthetic product LAB created. Yeah, Lab created, right, And
Speaker 5: so that was what went to war.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 5: It's been such a phenomenon. Zeolite and the use of
Speaker 5: another mineral, kalin, which is now what's in currently in
Speaker 5: combat gauze that causes no heat. So there's no way
Speaker 5: around it. It's just a brilliant slam dunk product. The
Speaker 5: company that runs it, Bart had sold it around the
Speaker 5: time that I met him, the company that makes it
Speaker 5: now it was sold for half a billion dollars a
Speaker 5: couple of years ago. So it's just a you know,
Speaker 5: this was an idea that a guy had in a
Speaker 5: basement in nineteen eighty three. So there's been a lot
Speaker 5: of research about these two minerals and their miraculous ability
Speaker 5: but very simple ability to clot blood. So Chinese researchers,
Speaker 5: this is only about three years ago, and I read,
Speaker 5: you know, can't tell you how many scientific articles I read,
Speaker 5: and I talked to twenty hematologists, et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 5: Chinese researchers wounded rabbits, this is like three years ago,
Speaker 5: and they used the minerals you like, just out of
Speaker 5: the mountains of China, right ground up right, you know,
Speaker 5: a relatively small study. It worked brilliantly at clotting blood.
Speaker 5: So here's the mind blowing thing. If a Frank hurt
Speaker 5: and then a guy like Bart Goolong had come along
Speaker 5: in eighteen fifty nine, because it's just the rock works
Speaker 5: just as well. And think of if this had been
Speaker 5: available in World War One, in World War two worldwide,
Speaker 5: we're talking hundreds of millions of people. The Pentagon estimated
Speaker 5: three or four years into the War on Terror it
Speaker 5: had saved Quicklot had saved one hundred and fifty soldiers
Speaker 5: and marines lives in the scheme of things, I honor
Speaker 5: them all, but there it's a relatively low you know,
Speaker 5: injury and death war right. And also Quicklot was this
Speaker 5: US use was used on civilians a lot in Iraq
Speaker 5: because they wore a lot of the bloodshed. So the
Speaker 5: mind boggling thing is if someone had come up with
Speaker 5: this idea, you know, three centuries ago, how many more
Speaker 5: people would be alive now?
Speaker 3: Kings, kings who died who probably needed to die, would
Speaker 3: still be alive, right, you know, like like that boar
Speaker 3: that got the one king in the leg and he
Speaker 3: just bled and just kept bleeding and kept bleeding. You know,
Speaker 3: it's like, where's my quick clot that's black magic, Your majesty,
Speaker 3: we need to like leach you. It's like, no, give
Speaker 3: me the quick clot. Well you're dead, sorry, bro. Next,
Speaker 3: So it's like not to I mean to put it. So,
Speaker 3: you're right, if it was so thought about, if you
Speaker 3: just if they just looked at mud on the side
Speaker 3: of the river becoming mud with dirt, water and dirt
Speaker 3: mixing together to like coagulate itself and bind itself.
Speaker 5: The step here now, just real quick. I think part
Speaker 5: of the story of the book and the you know,
Speaker 5: one of the lessons of the book is that sometimes
Speaker 5: it takes a total outsider to see something clearly. And
Speaker 5: we're not here to diss those PhDs mds doing the
Speaker 5: biotech stuff, although they didn't treat Bart very well. They're like,
Speaker 5: who is this guy that just walked into our meeting? Right,
Speaker 5: they're working within the paradigm that they know of. You know,
Speaker 5: they know the clotting cascade well. Of course, to promote
Speaker 5: the clotting cast gade, you add some more clotting factors.
Speaker 5: It took a guy, you know, Frank As a bachelor's
Speaker 5: degree in engineering. He went to night school for ten
Speaker 5: years to get it. This is around the time that
Speaker 5: he comes up with the idea. No, he doesn't really
Speaker 5: actually know much about blood. He to this day he
Speaker 5: gets things about blood wrong. Because we were on the
Speaker 5: circuit a lot. He started gets some things a little confused.
Speaker 5: But it takes the outsider to see it more clearly
Speaker 5: than the people in it. And one of the things
Speaker 5: I'm proud about this book is honoring the role of
Speaker 5: the amateur, you know, the brilliant amateur who can see
Speaker 5: what we don't see. You know, it's a little it's
Speaker 5: a little van go like, you know, it's a little
Speaker 5: bit like this guy saw things that nobody else could see.
Speaker 2: It's very much like that.
Speaker 3: It's very much you know, I don't know savant, you know,
Speaker 3: it's like they're good at what they can. Some people
Speaker 3: can see things differently. Artists have a different way to
Speaker 3: draw with their mindset. I do things differently than you.
Speaker 3: But I mean, yeah, you know, it takes as a
Speaker 3: pen and a pad and you can write down your
Speaker 3: thoughts in the lab and you know, come out with it.
Speaker 3: It just is that way. It's amazing that he created
Speaker 3: and thought around it. And I don't mean to just
Speaker 3: call it dirt. Let me be clear, Okay, the zealite
Speaker 3: is not just that is a refined mineral.
Speaker 2: It is refined.
Speaker 3: It is it is created to stop the bleeding out
Speaker 3: of your body, and I want to respect it, but
Speaker 3: I'm just so like you said, it could have been
Speaker 3: so primitive thought about.
Speaker 2: But Frank was like, hey, you know this is let
Speaker 2: me try this.
Speaker 4: He's a genius. He truly is a genius. On the
Speaker 4: one hand, he can see things. You hit it right
Speaker 4: on the head. Yeah. He looks at everything around us
Speaker 4: with a little bit different angle than anyone else. And
Speaker 4: I saw that in him very early, and it taught
Speaker 4: me enough to shut up and let him let him
Speaker 4: speak when those few times they did speak. Very quiet guy,
Speaker 4: very unassuming, can't handle meetings at all. Hill. My greatest
Speaker 4: memory is we were negotiating the sale of the company
Speaker 4: for two hundred million dollars.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 4: Ten minutes into the meeting, he got up and wandered
Speaker 4: and said, well, you guys got this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, He's like, you got this? I need to driggle
Speaker 2: water A good.
Speaker 4: Also the kind of guy who would we never Frank
Speaker 4: and I never had a piece of paper between us.
Speaker 4: Everything we did we did on a handshake. Just an
Speaker 4: unbelievable guy. But there's the next step here, and for
Speaker 4: your listeners and from our point of view, my point
Speaker 4: of view, in Frank's point of view, the job isn't
Speaker 4: done yet because in the same way that discovering the
Speaker 4: bacteria caused most diseases. Quick lot has changed the entire paradigm,
Speaker 4: the entire plane agram of saving people from bleeding. Quick
Speaker 4: clot essentially puts the power to stop bleeding that only
Speaker 4: a surgeon has right into the hands of anyone who
Speaker 4: can open a packet. That's right, and we haven't gotten
Speaker 4: there yet. Police officers carry it. That's a big step forward.
Speaker 4: Should be at every gun range. It should be like
Speaker 4: and it's a breaking case of emergency. It should be
Speaker 4: like here it is, you know. And so a lot
Speaker 4: of folks want to be trained on stuff, you know,
Speaker 4: they want to wear these different use these different you know,
Speaker 4: specific one tourniquit and like there's like fourteen different tourniquits
Speaker 4: that they should know them all, you know what I mean,
Speaker 4: Understand how they all apply it quick clot. Understand how
Speaker 4: it applies and how you try to get it to stop.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: So if you're ever presented with that, you know, just
Speaker 3: do probably a YouTube tuatorial. You can probably look this
Speaker 3: up on YouTube. How do I apply quick clot? And
Speaker 3: you know, if you go and get quick clot and
Speaker 3: you don't want to open up your own packet and
Speaker 3: waste it, you can maybe watch tutorials.
Speaker 2: I'm sure it's out.
Speaker 4: There you can buy. You can also buy a training package.
Speaker 3: Oh, perfect training package, you know, and you can just
Speaker 3: get down on it. That's the best way to do
Speaker 3: it right, one hundred percent. Just have an understanding, have
Speaker 3: it in your backseat of your car.
Speaker 4: But it's no longer. It's no longer you wait for
Speaker 4: the cop to arrive or you wait for the ambulance
Speaker 4: to arrive. Now it's you open a package and you
Speaker 4: save a life and you're the first responder and you
Speaker 4: are able to save that person's life inside the golden hour.
Speaker 4: I'm sure your listeners know the gold know the golden hour,
Speaker 4: and once you're inside that golden hour, the chance of
Speaker 4: survival is so much higher. And that's what quick Collet does.
Speaker 4: It gives life, it preserves life.
Speaker 2: Okay, nothing's one hundred percent perfect. Let's be clear.
Speaker 3: Okay, you can apply this and things can still take
Speaker 3: a traumatic toll the opposite direction. And I'm sure that
Speaker 3: this product helps give you the percentages that you want
Speaker 3: to survive and need to and it gives morale to
Speaker 3: the person probably.
Speaker 2: Applying it to you, like hey, I got some quick
Speaker 2: cloud and puts on you okay, I got you. I
Speaker 2: got you okay, and like, you.
Speaker 3: Know, just that empathy trying to just know that I've
Speaker 3: got something to put on you and give you that
Speaker 3: peace of mind while you're in your worst that might
Speaker 3: help you. I got you.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 4: In the in the battlefield environment, it's a force multiplier
Speaker 4: because when one warrior gets wounded, that means that guarantees
Speaker 4: that two people are out of the action. That's right,
Speaker 4: And what it means is that that second warrior can stop,
Speaker 4: apply hold your own pressure, and back in the fight.
Speaker 4: In the civilian community, even police officers don't get that
Speaker 4: until every time I get stopped by a cop or
Speaker 4: I see a cop, I give them. I give them
Speaker 4: a combat goes and they say, well, I already carry that.
Speaker 4: I've got my belt trauma kit. I carry it. And
Speaker 4: I said, this isn't for your cruiser, this is for
Speaker 4: your family car. M And you can see the light
Speaker 4: go off, and that's where it should be.
Speaker 2: Every good bar keep.
Speaker 3: Turning those lights on, keep turning the lights on. You
Speaker 3: just keep turning everybody's lights on. Bart and you know
Speaker 3: you're turning my lights on. I'm like, I'm like, where's
Speaker 3: my quick clot.
Speaker 2: Is it here? I'm like, is it on my dresser?
Speaker 2: Where was it last? You know? Really? You know?
Speaker 3: And I just want to be clear to my listener
Speaker 3: and to anybody listening. These guys are guests of my show.
Speaker 3: I am in no way like paid in any context
Speaker 3: by these guys to talk about the book In the
Speaker 3: Blood and quit Clot. What I have here is I've
Speaker 3: got a guy who looks like he's got a halo
Speaker 3: around him in the top corner, and that's Bart and
Speaker 3: he's all nice and glowy.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 3: He's the one that helps bring Quickclock to the market.
Speaker 3: And then we got Charlie who is the author of
Speaker 3: In the Blood, the story about the creation and where
Speaker 3: it's at today of quick clot. So you know, this
Speaker 3: is something that you can go find, probably like at
Speaker 3: a local sporting goods store nowadays.
Speaker 2: Don't you think it's available on Amazon?
Speaker 4: I should also say that we sold the company a
Speaker 4: long time ago. We no longer have any financial interest,
Speaker 4: but we still have a very moral and personal interest
Speaker 4: and seeing this product it out there.
Speaker 3: I feel, if I may, before you know you say
Speaker 3: anything else, I feel that you and Frank, although there
Speaker 3: was this money at the pot in the rainbow here
Speaker 3: for you. I don't feel like that's what it was
Speaker 3: really one hundred percent. I feel like you're like, hey,
Speaker 3: this can But I feel like Frank was like a savant.
Speaker 3: I was like, hey, good, do you think this could
Speaker 3: help stop bleeding? And you're like, yeah, bro, like this
Speaker 3: is he already?
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: I just feel like, you know, it wasn't about that,
Speaker 2: because I don't get that from you.
Speaker 4: No, it's in fact, when we were in the worst
Speaker 4: of it, when the army was trying to destroy us,
Speaker 4: we sat down and we realized together. There was never
Speaker 4: any conversation about stopping giving up.
Speaker 2: What there was was.
Speaker 4: Recognition that we were the Blues Brothers and we're here
Speaker 4: on mission from God. That's right, and that mission isn't
Speaker 4: over as long as somebody bleeds out there and doesn't
Speaker 4: have the product. We're still on that mission. Who's Jake,
Speaker 4: Who's Olwen? Which one's Frank?
Speaker 2: Right here? Let's go, We gotta go, guys.
Speaker 5: Come on, you know, next interview, I'll be in a
Speaker 5: hat in a suit.
Speaker 2: Rad I love it.
Speaker 5: To your point. Friends of mine run a what's called
Speaker 5: a violence intervention program in New Haven. There most of
Speaker 5: them are former felons, and they go into rough neighborhoods
Speaker 5: in New Haven, Connecticut where you know, frankly they were
Speaker 5: gang involved or whatever. They've now reformed their lives and
Speaker 5: they're work reaching out to kids don't do what I did.
Speaker 5: And they intervene after a shooting to try and you know,
Speaker 5: get kids not to retaliate and things like that. So
Speaker 5: I was just actually, they came to our reading in
Speaker 5: New Haven a couple of weeks ago, members of the team.
Speaker 5: They were saying, we need this this stuff right, our
Speaker 5: team needs this stuff. Our kids need this stuff. I
Speaker 5: followed up on it. Bart wants to get them some
Speaker 5: combat gauze, and we're going to follow through on that,
Speaker 5: in fact where I think we're going to do an
Speaker 5: educational session. But I subsequently followed up and the guy
Speaker 5: who runs the team as a former parole officer, said,
Speaker 5: virtually all of the guys on the team have stood
Speaker 5: there helplessly while a kid that they had been working
Speaker 5: with is bleeding out on the street, waiting and they're
Speaker 5: waiting for the MTS to arrive. And you know, I
Speaker 5: think first responder systems in the United States are very
Speaker 5: good for the most part, I think they're very sophisticated,
Speaker 5: but there you can die in five minutes from a
Speaker 5: gunshot wound. They're usually not there in five minutes. Right, Oh,
Speaker 5: totally right, I mean, and so totally can do is
Speaker 5: by time for the empts and the police to arrive.
Speaker 5: And you know, it's a hugely popular product. It's but
Speaker 5: you know, it's not as well known as it should.
Speaker 5: And one of the things that we're really enjoying because
Speaker 5: Bart and Frank and I are on the circuit, although
Speaker 5: it's really Bart and me because Frank doesn't talk very much,
Speaker 5: but it would be a three minute interview rad Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: Right, I'll get it out of him. It's been an
Speaker 2: hour already.
Speaker 5: We're realizing that one of the secondary gains, or maybe
Speaker 5: this primary gain of this book, because we we got
Speaker 5: a rave review in the Wall Street Journal a couple
Speaker 5: of weeks ago, we're sort of in demand. We're realizing
Speaker 5: that one of the I think Bart would say, the
Speaker 5: number one thing we're getting out of the book is
Speaker 5: you know, promoting quick clot and it should be in
Speaker 5: the hands of you know, people everywhere, including your cat.
Speaker 2: Agreed, Agreed, I'm just holding up. I just do I
Speaker 2: have a cat in my hand. Go ahead, Lena, No, I.
Speaker 3: Just she just wanted to hear and see you. She
Speaker 3: wanted to see you. She wants to see who I'm
Speaker 3: talking to about. Quick clod right, the number one blood
Speaker 3: coagulating agent probably on the market that helped stops festering
Speaker 3: wounds from festering any further. You know, just recently in
Speaker 3: the NBA, there was a championship game that happened in Denver,
Speaker 3: So you know this morning or last night, nine people
Speaker 3: were just shot. Oh no, just outside the having a
Speaker 3: celebration for this was in Denver last night this morning.
Speaker 3: I hate to date my shows, but I'm just bringing
Speaker 3: it up.
Speaker 2: Right. That's combat. Those are casualty. There's that's mass hysteria.
Speaker 2: That's the crowds dispersing.
Speaker 3: That's people just laying there, people not knowing what they're
Speaker 3: looking at, laying there, not knowing what they're doing. They're
Speaker 3: laying there, they're just out having a party, drinking a beer,
Speaker 3: celebrating the championship of their favorite professional basketball team in
Speaker 3: their state, and just pop, pa, pa papa. You know,
Speaker 3: if first responders had quick claw or have it, that's
Speaker 3: probably going to help them to be able to assess
Speaker 3: that situation and triage them.
Speaker 2: It's just like that they should just have it. Everybody
Speaker 2: should have.
Speaker 5: It, right, and it's great at first responder have it,
Speaker 5: but even not all first responders have it. I think
Speaker 5: at this point EMTs have it. But and it's standard
Speaker 5: issue and NYPD, but you know, obviously we follow it
Speaker 5: very closely. There's still fundraisers that Little Rock, Arkansas just
Speaker 5: making that up. The first responders are trying to do
Speaker 5: a fundraiser to get it, you know, and I found because.
Speaker 2: The department can't afford it.
Speaker 3: Right, But it's a life right, It's priceless, right, Like
Speaker 3: how much can I buy my life back for?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 4: But it's a fire extinguisher too, And you know, a
Speaker 4: fire extinguisher is the kind of thing that you'd never
Speaker 4: need until you need it, then you really need it, right,
Speaker 4: And that's pretty much essentially what quick clod is too.
Speaker 4: And until people realize that there are fires burning all
Speaker 4: around them, right, it's going to be an uphill battle.
Speaker 2: That's right.
Speaker 3: I've been involved in car accidents that happened behind me
Speaker 3: in the middle of nowhere, and all I had was
Speaker 3: like a little rink ade flashlight and it was just
Speaker 3: like lighting up a little my grandpa's nineteen sixties camp
Speaker 3: or silver flashlight.
Speaker 2: I'm just like, why do I have this in two.
Speaker 3: Thousands in my cars that have some tactical light period
Speaker 3: in the middle of nowhere.
Speaker 2: In the darkness.
Speaker 4: I've used it and given it to emt Yeah, at
Speaker 4: car accidents that I've stopped at.
Speaker 2: That's right, eight times. That's right. Because you might be
Speaker 2: that first responder. You might you know, or self rescue.
Speaker 3: Yep, right, what if it's just you and you have
Speaker 3: it and you something happens when you do cut your
Speaker 3: leg and you're bleeding.
Speaker 2: Yeah, go ahead, Charlie.
Speaker 5: So I do have to have you ask your question
Speaker 5: to Bart about famous musicians that he's met.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, right, right right.
Speaker 3: We were talking about that, and I know, I get
Speaker 3: all emotional and like really passionate about something.
Speaker 2: And we love rock stars, right. I was talking to
Speaker 2: Charlie a little bit.
Speaker 3: I had done some security in the past and work
Speaker 3: with some rock stars, and there was a question on
Speaker 3: one of the internet social media's and it's like, who's
Speaker 3: the most famous person that you've.
Speaker 2: Spoken to as a rock star?
Speaker 3: And I sat there and I looked at it and
Speaker 3: I've been around a few people and I was like,
Speaker 3: Neil Diamond and I wrote Neil Diamond down.
Speaker 2: I was like, I got to talk to him.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 2: That was a cool two day security gig.
Speaker 3: I got to work with him and I met him
Speaker 3: in ways that people never saw him, just normal dude
Speaker 3: in a cardigan sweater, and then he comes out and sparkles,
Speaker 3: like this Neil Diamond that we want to see in
Speaker 3: the concert. All security has to wears black. No one's
Speaker 3: allowed to wear any other colors because he wears all
Speaker 3: black that sparkles. So he doesn't want like some yellow
Speaker 3: security anywhere in the show at all. It's no he
Speaker 3: just like boom him.
Speaker 2: Have you Charlie?
Speaker 3: Do you guys have anybody that you've ever met who's
Speaker 3: the most famous musician? Bart, let's go with you.
Speaker 5: I did some bodyguarding in my life, so Brad, I
Speaker 5: know nobody. I've never met a famous musician. But but
Speaker 5: Bart has a story for you.
Speaker 2: Let's hear Bart.
Speaker 4: I have a friend who I was involved with musicians
Speaker 4: for a while, and I did some bodyguarding and I
Speaker 4: was bodyguarding for a friend in New York City at
Speaker 4: the what was the name of that club. It was
Speaker 4: a western It was a country and western club downtown
Speaker 4: and the Lone Star Cafe exactly. And it was a
Speaker 4: guitar guitarist. Do you remember the name of the guy.
Speaker 4: It was a rockabilly guitarist from Texas who Lonnie Mac
Speaker 4: whom my buddy was the road manager, the manager for
Speaker 4: Lonnie Mack. He asked me to come down. He said,
Speaker 4: there's gonna be some celebrities. I just wanted you to
Speaker 4: keep an eye on them. So I went down at
Speaker 4: the appointed hour and it was Mick Jagger in the crowd.
Speaker 4: So I stood behind him, just stood at his table.
Speaker 4: There was it was a it was a great crowd,
Speaker 4: there was no issue. And stood there for a while.
Speaker 4: At the break, my buddy said, Okay, go upstairs. Go
Speaker 4: up the stairs. There's a dressing room, a long corridor,
Speaker 4: he said, nobody, but nobody goes in that dressing room
Speaker 4: except the band. So I went upstairs. I'm standing there,
Speaker 4: ready to go, ready to be that bodyguard, you know. Yeah,
Speaker 4: a big French coat on the whole deal.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I love it.
Speaker 4: There comes Mick Jagger down the down and I thought, okay,
Speaker 4: Mick Jagger's coming in hey, mate. So Mick came in
Speaker 4: and I was I was along with Mick Jagger, and
Speaker 4: I have to say I was a little tongue tied
Speaker 4: standing there with Mick. I look up and two more
Speaker 4: guys are coming down down the corridor and they are
Speaker 4: the scruffiest looking guys I've ever seen in life, and
Speaker 4: I thought, all right, there's no way these dirtbags in here.
Speaker 4: Sed up and I stood up and I said, sorry,
Speaker 4: nobody but nobody except the band comes in the store.
Speaker 4: And one of the scruffy little guys said, well, well,
Speaker 4: I'm Bob Dylan's manager, and this is Bob Dylan. Oh,
Speaker 4: I said, nobody but Mick Jagger, Bob Dylan, and.
Speaker 2: Bob Bob Dylan's manager, and.
Speaker 4: So I let him in. Jagger came to me. Jagger
Speaker 4: kind of slid over and said, I've never met Bob Dylan,
Speaker 4: which you introduced me. So, I mean, obviously I just
Speaker 4: met Bob Dylan, but he just wanted he's icebreaker in
Speaker 4: a strange way.
Speaker 2: That's right, that's right.
Speaker 4: So that's my claim to fame. I actually introduced Mick
Speaker 4: Jagger and Bob Dylan.
Speaker 3: Dude, we're going to have that typed out in our website.
Speaker 3: The fact that you introduced Mick Jagger to Bob, Dylan,
Speaker 3: Anton or Chris whoever does my dictations put that in this?
Speaker 2: I mean it.
Speaker 3: I know you guys listen to this. This is awesome.
Speaker 3: That's awesome, as awesome as quickclot. I know you're a
Speaker 3: rock star, bro, I felt it.
Speaker 4: In my own mind.
Speaker 2: Well aren't we all? You know?
Speaker 3: I tell people if you wind up in a conversation
Speaker 3: to me, I only talk to rockstars, you know, So
Speaker 3: if we're talking, then there you are.
Speaker 2: All right.
Speaker 3: I'm honored doubly. Now it's a privilege. I'm glad, Charlie.
Speaker 3: And what was it, Scott that arranged the whole situation
Speaker 3: on the back end? Maybe your publicist, Scott. Let's give
Speaker 3: him a shout out for arranging all of us together today.
Speaker 3: I really want to say thanks for reaching out and
Speaker 3: wanting to.
Speaker 2: Be on the show. That makes me want to have
Speaker 2: you on the show. And you know in the blood
Speaker 2: do you want to say anything about that, Charlie? You
Speaker 2: want to say? I know it came out already. It's
Speaker 2: where every book is sold right.
Speaker 5: Amazon, Barnes and Noble, your own bookstores, bookstore, dot Org
Speaker 5: and it's getting really nice reviews. There's more to come.
Speaker 5: We'll probably be on your show in a couple of years.
Speaker 5: Very proud of the book, and it's you know, we're
Speaker 5: getting this story out into the world. That is, these
Speaker 5: guys live through it. And maybe a lot of your
Speaker 5: listeners know about it because they were in combat and
Speaker 5: they were dealing with you know, quick lot and the
Speaker 5: alternative products. But most people don't know about this. So
Speaker 5: it's a very very satisfying to get you know, a
Speaker 5: lot of the There's a couple of reactions to the book.
Speaker 5: One is I can't put it down, and because it's
Speaker 5: kind of like a movie and it's it's it intercuts
Speaker 5: between the principles, which it should be yep. The other
Speaker 5: thing is how did I not know about this?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 4: Let me just say something real quick about about Charlie.
Speaker 4: Charlie writes nonfiction books, and when just the word nonfiction
Speaker 4: has immediately it feels like there's a dryness sucking into
Speaker 4: you that it's, oh, this is nonfiction and it's not
Speaker 4: that interesting. It's a reality. Even if this, even if
Speaker 4: this were a boring story, which I think you've seen,
Speaker 4: it's not Charlie has a way of turning a nonfiction
Speaker 4: work into a novel, and the kind of novel just
Speaker 4: as he says, you really can't put it down. It's
Speaker 4: a novel that happens to be true.
Speaker 2: That's awesome.
Speaker 3: Is it available on like audible for anybody that may
Speaker 3: want to like truck drive and listen?
Speaker 2: Okay, is all right? Good? Or you know, work in
Speaker 2: the fob and listen.
Speaker 4: Just to give you an example, Just to give you
Speaker 4: an example. Yesterday morning, Frank sent me a text that said, Gee,
Speaker 4: I've got a friend who's too blind to read, and
Speaker 4: I'm so sorry he can't get the book. I said,
Speaker 4: and I type back in, said Frank, there are audible books.
Speaker 4: The reply, what's that? So that's another little piece of Frank.
Speaker 4: Now he knows. When I explained to him that audible
Speaker 4: books been available for years, he's His response was, what
Speaker 4: a great idea.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think of that.
Speaker 3: Like sands through the hour glass, Frank, like sands through
Speaker 3: the hour glass, my friend. Okay, Well, I think that
Speaker 3: you know, you guys have been awesome to be on
Speaker 3: the show. It's been a wonderful opportunity to talk with you.
Speaker 3: I think that this should become a movie or a
Speaker 3: TV series, and I hope you all the success, and
Speaker 3: if it does, I can totally play Bart. There you go, okay, there,
Speaker 3: I was thinking maybe i'd play you.
Speaker 2: Oh do it?
Speaker 4: Do it?
Speaker 2: Okay? Perfect, And we'll just have to incorporate the show
Speaker 2: towards in the show. Come on, Charlie, work with us here.
Speaker 3: But again, I love that you put words on paper, okay,
Speaker 3: And I love that you use your your mega mind
Speaker 3: to do so. And you're still in that lifestyle.
Speaker 2: I love that.
Speaker 3: I want you to keep that up. Someone's gonna have
Speaker 3: to write for me when I get my life story
Speaker 3: out there.
Speaker 2: Bart.
Speaker 3: It's an honor and a pleasure. And Frank, I know
Speaker 3: you're gonna watch us and listen to this. You keep
Speaker 3: up being a madman, and you may not know it,
Speaker 3: but you are.
Speaker 2: And just keep it up.
Speaker 3: And you know there's other things you can still cocoon yourself,
Speaker 3: bro and butterfly something else. All right, we have many
Speaker 3: lives to live through this one time on earth, So
Speaker 3: you know, kicking up a notch, Bro, if you got
Speaker 3: a quick clot, you got more.
Speaker 2: Come on, Frank, let me inspire you. Is that a
Speaker 2: good call out for Frank?
Speaker 5: That was that was.
Speaker 2: All right. Well, with that said, I'm gonna wind down
Speaker 2: the show. I've had your guys's souls for an hour.
Speaker 3: There's a whole life worth of the work that you've
Speaker 3: put out here, and there's a whole more that you
Speaker 3: can read about by checking out It's in the Blood,
Speaker 3: right in the Blood, In the Blood written by Charlie
Speaker 3: Barber co created by Bart and his buddy Frank, and
Speaker 3: my name is rad saying thanks for watching Soft Rep.
Speaker 3: Go buy our merch and I appreciate you, Brandon Weapon putting.
Speaker 2: Me on the show all the time.
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