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Speaker 4: Okay, Hi everybody, welcome to J dot L the Podcast.
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Speaker 4: I'm Jill Scott and we have this awesome privilege. We
Speaker 4: actually have a super fan of our little bit a
Speaker 4: little shell. You know, you know, I tended to move
Speaker 4: away when people say little. I like your little car,
Speaker 4: I like your little house, you know, a little.
Speaker 2: Stay on the show. I like a little show.
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Speaker 4: sweet loving show, J dot IL the podcast. Yes, always
Speaker 4: got something to say, always a reaction to everything that
Speaker 4: we're doing and talking about a full analysis, that's right, aga,
Speaker 4: you know, actually listening to the podcast, listening to our
Speaker 4: thoughts and our confusion and us getting it together and
Speaker 4: you know all the things.
Speaker 2: Appreciate that so much. I just saw your bio which
Speaker 2: is Ill Royce.
Speaker 4: Okay, Ill, okay, this is Royce Hall okay, and now
Speaker 4: I want to say your name right because it's so
Speaker 4: beautiful and catch.
Speaker 2: Me if I'm wrong.
Speaker 4: Chen Yelu ali Mayu. Actually, oh, it's so beautiful.
Speaker 2: It's like a beauty for melody.
Speaker 4: Voyce Hall Chinelu Ali Mayu is a genre bending afro
Speaker 4: futuristic black liberation, soul, funk, hip hop music recording artists,
Speaker 4: multi instrumentalist, arranger, composer, MC, vocalist, actor, photographer, sketch artist,
Speaker 4: keynote speaker, and alum of Florida A and M University.
Speaker 2: Okay, fam you I mean goodness.
Speaker 4: Just to know that we have somebody listening that has
Speaker 4: this broad scope of existing is just so fantastic.
Speaker 5: Channy be busy, So that's nice. As you find the time,
Speaker 5: that's nice.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you just love you know, I'm so, I'm just
Speaker 6: about to be a jump.
Speaker 2: Yes, it is our pleasure. Wow. So so are you
Speaker 2: you're based in the South?
Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm here in Atlanta. Yeah, from Sautisbury, Maryland. But
Speaker 7: I grew up in tell I c. And moved to Atlanta.
Speaker 6: Like you know, most of us ratings do we spend
Speaker 6: our time in tilling we moved to Atlanta or Houston.
Speaker 2: So here in how's Atlanta treating you?
Speaker 7: Has been good? I enjoy it.
Speaker 6: It's a lot different, a lot different than when I
Speaker 6: first moved here. There's been a lot of changes, but
Speaker 6: overall it's still still good to me.
Speaker 7: So we're gonna rock and roll for a little while.
Speaker 4: Longer, beautiful Atlanta and I we we do okay, I
Speaker 4: don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 2: We do all right. And when I when they get
Speaker 2: a chance to go, we do well.
Speaker 6: I'll say, come on, next time you come, I will
Speaker 6: definitely make sure that you have, you know, a fruitful
Speaker 6: Atlanta experience.
Speaker 7: Give me something new to take back with you.
Speaker 8: I would definitely appreciate that. Royce means that because like
Speaker 8: you got one of your jobs, didn't one of your jobs?
Speaker 8: Have you doing that for aga in a way? Like
Speaker 8: it's weak y'all?
Speaker 7: The AGEA on the thirty.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're actually supposed to see each other later on
Speaker 1: in this month. I'm gonna be get in Atlanta performing.
Speaker 1: But of course, you know, we met face to face
Speaker 1: for the first time in Atlanta when I went down
Speaker 1: there for a gig, and you know, we just wrapped
Speaker 1: about the podcast about life in general and just you know,
Speaker 1: really kind of bonded. So I really it was like,
Speaker 1: it was such a cool opportunity to meet up with
Speaker 1: somebody who really listens to the podcast, who really listens
Speaker 1: listens to the podcast, you know what I'm saying. But
Speaker 1: you know now that we have voys here and we're like, Okay,
Speaker 1: Rays is a super fans He's been down since day one.
Speaker 1: He's a day one podcast listener. I just would be
Speaker 1: curious to know, like, what were your expectations like when
Speaker 1: you first came to a podcast, You're like, yo, I'm gonna.
Speaker 2: Listen to this, Like what did you think you were
Speaker 2: gonna get? And then like what did you get get?
Speaker 7: Initially? Initially?
Speaker 6: And I think I told you this Initially I thought,
Speaker 6: you know, okay, we got this platform. Or the first episode, no, Lie,
Speaker 6: I sat so still, I held my breath. I was like,
Speaker 6: all right, let me see. In the first episode, I
Speaker 6: was like, all right, lovely. Second episode, I was like,
Speaker 6: all right, I'm in third episode. I mean, but my
Speaker 6: first thing was my questions were surrounding if it was
Speaker 6: an inclusive space, would there be some intersectionality for somebody
Speaker 6: like me who can relate to all of you on
Speaker 6: several I mean, immense levels from various points of identity.
Speaker 7: But also you know, if it would be an.
Speaker 6: Affirming space as it related to the subjects, the topics,
Speaker 6: how different identities are spoken of, And so once I
Speaker 6: heard episodes that led into that, I was like, you
Speaker 6: know what, I'm settling.
Speaker 7: I'm sitting and I'm gonna just ride with this.
Speaker 5: And I'm curious, when did he realize that.
Speaker 7: I think it was around maybe the It was definitely
Speaker 7: season one.
Speaker 6: It was well within maybe the first I would in
Speaker 6: like four four episodes.
Speaker 7: I can't remember the episode.
Speaker 6: Exactly, but there was one where somebody touched on the
Speaker 6: different type of listeners that you all would have and
Speaker 6: just acknowledging the broad spectrum of people that you reach
Speaker 6: and not limiting that to maybe just what you're used
Speaker 6: to on the day to day or your closeness circle,
Speaker 6: but just actually extending that type of compassion willing to
Speaker 6: connect with other people. That was just very important to me.
Speaker 6: Of course, already being familiar with you all that was
Speaker 6: of course, that was a general thing, but just to
Speaker 6: hear that in this type.
Speaker 7: Of space was very refreshing.
Speaker 4: I'll just speak for myself right now, like I really
Speaker 4: do want to understand. I want to understand, Like there's
Speaker 4: you know, I hate to sound poetic, geez, but you
Speaker 4: know there's so many flowers in the garden, you know,
Speaker 4: there's It's just the list is so complex, you know,
Speaker 4: it's not just the simple daffodil or rose or lily.
Speaker 4: It's these wonderful combinations of creation, you know, and like
Speaker 4: just trying to grasp it. And we're moving in a direction, definitely,
Speaker 4: and I just mean the world, like we're moving in
Speaker 4: a direction where we really could have the whole rainbow community.
Speaker 2: We're really could.
Speaker 4: It's right there. It is right there. It's like love
Speaker 4: is the answer to the questions, period.
Speaker 7: It is absolutely well.
Speaker 6: I think Agan I was talking about liberation as well.
Speaker 6: Get ourselves free from upholding those that are actually quite
Speaker 6: oppressive and limiting. We can extend that to other people
Speaker 6: and just exists together as opposed to imposing or impeding
Speaker 6: or projecting those limitations on other people because.
Speaker 7: They've been placed on us.
Speaker 6: And we just learned how to exist within and of
Speaker 6: ourselves and our truth and our beauty and all.
Speaker 7: Our different levels and layers.
Speaker 6: It'll be absolutely just beautiful when we look at the
Speaker 6: variations that surround us every day, because then we can
Speaker 6: we can see the landscape that we're living on with
Speaker 6: just like a clear rot, like I'm standing in divine energy,
Speaker 6: You're standing in divine energy. Once we realize that we're
Speaker 6: all created on purpose and in purpose to be actual individuals,
Speaker 6: like how boring would.
Speaker 7: God or gods being just to say I'm just made
Speaker 7: carbon copies? It would just be absolutely boring.
Speaker 8: So I feel like, too, what I don't know this
Speaker 8: journey that we've been doing on this podcast too, we've
Speaker 8: we've also been allowed to make mistakes and we've also
Speaker 8: been allowed to learn. And as I was listening to
Speaker 8: Roy speaking, I was like, yeah, there's been a moment.
Speaker 5: There was a moment moments.
Speaker 8: On this podcast where maybe Asia or Jill, one of
Speaker 8: us had to say, hey, listen, don't forget about this community.
Speaker 5: Don't let's not forget.
Speaker 8: And with that, I always say, you know, we have
Speaker 8: to allow each other patience in that moment for other people,
Speaker 8: because everybody doesn't always. But if there is a moment
Speaker 8: where we can say, hey, don't forget and then you
Speaker 8: say you know right, and.
Speaker 7: You are right. And I've heard that, and I think
Speaker 7: it just makes me feel so warm.
Speaker 6: We're not heard that when you show, because it's the consideration,
Speaker 6: it's the care.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So, you know, when we started this entire venture with
Speaker 1: the podcast, you know.
Speaker 7: We really wanted to speak our truth.
Speaker 1: And in speaking our truth, you know, it obviously was
Speaker 1: a place that we wanted everyone to kind of have
Speaker 1: an opportunity to hear and feel themselves. So to hear
Speaker 1: any person who listened to the podcast feel as if
Speaker 1: that they were safe enough to be themselves and their
Speaker 1: fullness of themselves are listening and feeling and hearing themselves
Speaker 1: in our experience is exactly I think what we all wanted.
Speaker 1: And when I first got to know you know, voice
Speaker 1: and hearing his story, it made me happy to feel
Speaker 1: that a trans man felt very much at home in
Speaker 1: the space where we were because unfortunately, out here we're
Speaker 1: gen xers, we don't always understand or know, you know,
Speaker 1: how to you know, I mean, you know how to
Speaker 1: behave or how to just live and be in community
Speaker 1: with people. And I think so much of the so
Speaker 1: much of the propaganda has made it really difficult to
Speaker 1: be in community because it tells you that it got
Speaker 1: to be this way or that way, when it's just
Speaker 1: about just being present and being thoughtful and listening and
Speaker 1: just and so like being in community is actually not
Speaker 1: as difficult as people make it seem. And so I
Speaker 1: think that in what we tried to do here, that
Speaker 1: was that was where the heart was. So to feel
Speaker 1: that people that that that there was a space where
Speaker 1: people felt the heart, and that that that was a
Speaker 1: great place to start. The rest of it is things
Speaker 1: you can learn, but your heart got to be in
Speaker 1: the right place first, come on. So I think that
Speaker 1: that's always the big issue with us, and then particularly
Speaker 1: in this generation, but I mean across generations, but particularly
Speaker 1: in the generation as people start fussing and carrying on
Speaker 1: about pronouns and this and that and YadA YadA YadA.
Speaker 1: Before that's the advanced class, Before y'all get to that,
Speaker 1: you got to get your heart right.
Speaker 2: Right, Where is your heart?
Speaker 5: Where is this?
Speaker 1: You know, where is the space that says that a
Speaker 1: person other black people feel in community with you. You
Speaker 1: can't say that you love black people if other black
Speaker 1: people don't feel safe in community with you.
Speaker 5: Hm. You remember that, Royce, That's what I feel like.
Speaker 8: I remember you're telling us that you're like, well, what
Speaker 8: of y'all, we gotta think about this in a whole
Speaker 8: holistic way of all black people, and we wanted to
Speaker 8: say space for.
Speaker 2: Black folks, period, period. More real talk after the break.
Speaker 1: Honestly, this late in the season, to have an opportunity
Speaker 1: to talk to you really does kind of like to
Speaker 1: me feel a full circle moment because we've opened up
Speaker 1: ourselves in so many ways this on this podcast, you know,
Speaker 1: and you know, and at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: I don't want to pretend like we did some great thing.
Speaker 1: We just simply surrendered ourselves to what it means to
Speaker 1: love each other.
Speaker 7: And that is is aal act.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's a radical act within itself, but it's
Speaker 1: what you should do, y'all.
Speaker 5: Know, y'all know how your mama.
Speaker 1: Said, you want me to throw a prey for you?
Speaker 1: You want me to give you a cookie for being
Speaker 1: for acting the way you suppose that.
Speaker 5: He's also a good album title.
Speaker 1: But yes, yeah, you know, but we're not asking for
Speaker 1: a cookie. We're just simply saying thank you for receiving
Speaker 1: what it was the intention of what we're trying to
Speaker 1: put out.
Speaker 4: Yes, ma'am, absolutely keep learning so much all the time,
Speaker 4: and it's it's revolution. You know, that's a big word
Speaker 4: on a thing, but that's how I feel.
Speaker 2: Often.
Speaker 4: There are days when we have these podcasts, Royce, and
Speaker 4: I feel like somebody has just taken their hands and
Speaker 4: grabbed the center of my forehead and just started pulling,
Speaker 4: started pulling apart.
Speaker 2: And and that's what it can feel like.
Speaker 4: You know, we are we are very much well, I'll
Speaker 4: I'll say, I'm very much your auntie.
Speaker 2: You know, how old are you? Is that okay to ask?
Speaker 2: Is that rude? I don't know, no, no, no. I
Speaker 2: just was impressed that you called yourself an auntie.
Speaker 8: I've been calling myself that's me, right, Yeah, that's I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: That's why Blaya's younger than us. She just not She's not.
Speaker 8: Asia is younger than me, but that's okay, not even Asian,
Speaker 8: I just a couple years apart.
Speaker 2: I'm an auntie. I got if nobody else on here
Speaker 2: is the mind.
Speaker 8: I am embrace my auntie, especially as I speak to
Speaker 8: more of like my sisters from the continent, and.
Speaker 5: I realized that auntie is an honor. I'm getting there.
Speaker 5: I'm getting there. I'm getting there.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 1: No, I fully embrace ont but I love that come on,
Speaker 1: because we're talking about full millennial oldness.
Speaker 5: Okay, yes, the oldest side of millennial.
Speaker 1: Is okay, voice is giving us you know, full on
Speaker 1: like elder millennial energy.
Speaker 7: Year.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're not talking to a baby.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 2: My mixtape was on a Cussett. So just just.
Speaker 4: So grateful to have you here and this, you know,
Speaker 4: super fanning of it all. Like, thank you so much
Speaker 4: for listening and being involved and speaking up. And when
Speaker 4: I say speaking up, I just mean commenting from a
Speaker 4: very genuine place.
Speaker 5: Yeah, commenting in life. Thank you.
Speaker 4: It's helpful for us, Yes, because like they just said,
Speaker 4: we're we're just doing one our hearts I most command
Speaker 4: us to do.
Speaker 2: You know, I'm good with it. I'm really good with it.
Speaker 2: So speaking of hearts, Royce Tall, what's on your heart.
Speaker 6: Really is just the beauty and the liberation of just
Speaker 6: showing up for self, because that's the foundation. But then
Speaker 6: the way I show for myself and how that extends
Speaker 6: into community. I think that oftentimes there's so many limitations
Speaker 6: that are placed on us early on.
Speaker 7: I often think about.
Speaker 6: How just open and brave and courageous and just hungry
Speaker 6: most of us are definitely me how I was as
Speaker 6: a child. You know, I didn't care if the tree
Speaker 6: was too big. I would attempt to climb, even if
Speaker 6: I fell out. I didn't care if you know, somebody
Speaker 6: talked about the clothing or your hair or whatever. I
Speaker 6: think especially toddlers, or that those early years before anything
Speaker 6: is put.
Speaker 7: Into your mind, disappointment, discouragement, all of those.
Speaker 6: Things, we are so open to just living and experiencing.
Speaker 6: And so lately I've just been reflecting on just my
Speaker 6: child self and showing up with that bravery of my
Speaker 6: child self so that I can pour that into other people.
Speaker 6: I can share that with other people and it and
Speaker 6: not even be a forceful thing. To just stand in
Speaker 6: my total existence, my total fullness. And I think that once,
Speaker 6: when I'm in that space of reflecting that type of energy,
Speaker 6: I'm able to birth something that is just naturally a
Speaker 6: part of my mission that we can all share. It's
Speaker 6: not about living up to the expectations that are inhumanly
Speaker 6: pushed on us.
Speaker 7: It's just about being myself. That's it.
Speaker 4: I'm just letting it why all over that feels so good,
Speaker 4: showing up for yourself and acknowledging that everything is not
Speaker 4: always going to be right. Or perfect or because we're
Speaker 4: human beings and we're living life, you know, but honoring
Speaker 4: yourself and remembering your inner child, because yeah, we were
Speaker 4: fearless and when something was funny, we left, you know
Speaker 4: what I mean, as loud as we wanted. We played
Speaker 4: for no reason. Like just recalling those things and trying
Speaker 4: to not trying, but just actively.
Speaker 7: Allowing exactly the breaking the breaking free really all.
Speaker 6: About making other people comfortable because somebody made them feel
Speaker 6: uncomfortable because of them being in their foods.
Speaker 7: And it's just cycle is a cycle.
Speaker 6: And once we're able to break those shackles of what's
Speaker 6: been imposed upon us, you know, you feel different, you
Speaker 6: breathe different, Those expectations don't matter, you know. And like
Speaker 6: you said, we're human beings, so not only are human beings,
Speaker 6: but where human beings having a spiritual experience, and that
Speaker 6: spirit is not meant to be bound or put in
Speaker 6: any sort of box, you know.
Speaker 7: And we we hurt ourselves so much.
Speaker 6: Just trying to fit into that box of acceptance and
Speaker 6: being liked.
Speaker 7: And you know, yeah, you want love, but the only
Speaker 7: way to give love, I.
Speaker 6: Wouldn't want somebody to be around me all day, every day,
Speaker 6: period and they feel as though the only way I
Speaker 6: can be in your space.
Speaker 7: Is if I live by some beliefs. Somebody doesn't even matter,
Speaker 7: you know, it's I want you to be in your
Speaker 7: fullness around me.
Speaker 1: You know what I have to tell you that what
Speaker 1: you said is the culmination of so much that that's
Speaker 1: been on my heart, lady, and I feel so grateful
Speaker 1: to hear that, because one thing that that I've come
Speaker 1: to understand within my own life is that, you know,
Speaker 1: we talk about these subjects out in the abstract. Right
Speaker 1: When my daughter spoke on this, she said, people get
Speaker 1: all upset about what they will or will not call
Speaker 1: a transperson when they don't even know a trans person.
Speaker 1: We get all upset out into this abstract of things
Speaker 1: that we're not really thinking about exactly what the life
Speaker 1: experience is. And one of the things that I'm coming
Speaker 1: to understand is that you can't serve a person unless
Speaker 1: you listen and know a person, unless you listen to
Speaker 1: what it is their actual needs are. So much of
Speaker 1: what we identify ourselves as are things that are given
Speaker 1: to us so that people can decide what we get.
Speaker 7: You're this, and so because.
Speaker 1: You're this, you get this and because you're this, you
Speaker 1: don't get this, And I think so much of that
Speaker 1: has caused us to live lives that are all based
Speaker 1: on I need to know what this is so I
Speaker 1: can decide what you're gonna not get or what you're
Speaker 1: gonna get to me, rather than actually listen to what
Speaker 1: a person's needs are. If you don't have a box
Speaker 1: to put someone in, you can't decide it for them.
Speaker 1: They have to decide it for themselves. Then they have
Speaker 1: to articulate it, and then you have to listen exactly,
Speaker 1: and that process, that process is lost on us in
Speaker 1: so many ways. And as a black woman and living
Speaker 1: that experience in this country, in this world, I understand
Speaker 1: that I need to know myself and articulate my needs.
Speaker 2: I don't want anyone to.
Speaker 1: Decide what it is I'm worthy of based on what
Speaker 1: they think those particular identities mean to them. That I
Speaker 1: refuse and none of us wants that. I'll take it back,
Speaker 1: and I hope I'm saying this right. I take it
Speaker 1: back to Kuji changing Legia right to Kwanza.
Speaker 7: Yes, we must define.
Speaker 2: Ourselves for ourselves.
Speaker 7: We have to define ourselves for ourselves.
Speaker 1: If we do not do that, someone else will define
Speaker 1: us for us, and we already know what happens when
Speaker 1: that happens. We already know the disaster that we're looking
Speaker 1: at when that happens. You know what I'm saying, I'm
Speaker 1: full of love in this moment. And like I said today,
Speaker 1: I had a challenging day and so it's testing me
Speaker 1: into like in a lot of ways mentally, but I
Speaker 1: will have to say this that my heart is full
Speaker 1: because in this place and in this space, this podcast,
Speaker 1: I've been able to define myself in ways that I've
Speaker 1: never been able to do my entire career with people
Speaker 1: who know me for my music or know me you know, X,
Speaker 1: Y and Z. I've also been able to define myself
Speaker 1: with people have no idea who I am, who came
Speaker 1: to this podcast only because they saw that it was
Speaker 1: Jill Scott, And they have come to me and say, hey,
Speaker 1: I didn't know who you were, and I've been able
Speaker 1: to understand and get to know you through this process.
Speaker 1: So I think, you know, even as we interact with
Speaker 1: all these outside things and we talk about, oh, the
Speaker 1: social media is this or social media's dad or dah
Speaker 1: dah da da dah, we have this opportunity to use
Speaker 1: these spaces and platforms to also define ourselves and get
Speaker 1: to know ourselves and to open ourselves up and to
Speaker 1: receive the stories of others. And so that's that's a blessing.
Speaker 1: I think of this particular moment, So y'all forgive me
Speaker 1: if I ran to a little bit.
Speaker 5: No, no, no, that was beautiful.
Speaker 8: I mean, you also kind of defined why we kind
Speaker 8: of invited Royce to this show, because I think that
Speaker 8: he just you are a combination of all the things,
Speaker 8: and the first thing, you've been with us since the
Speaker 8: beginning you've been writing, you know what I mean, and
Speaker 8: the fact that you have listened to all of these
Speaker 8: different subjects and topics and been like, I see me there,
Speaker 8: I see me there, and I see me there, and
Speaker 8: I'm going to articulate to you, you guys, how I
Speaker 8: see myself. Like, please follow Royce on Twitter. At the
Speaker 8: very least, it's been fulfilling a full circle. I feel you, Asia,
Speaker 8: Like I just I don't know, I feel fair by
Speaker 8: this moment.
Speaker 7: Just didn't having this conversation.
Speaker 8: With Roy's too, because it feels good to know that, like,
Speaker 8: these conversations mean something to somebody and they start things.
Speaker 8: They start conversations, as Jill says, all the time, we
Speaker 8: are really we are starting conversations. We are maybe changing
Speaker 8: people's minds, slowing them down a little bit back, getting
Speaker 8: off your mountaintop and come down here and open your
Speaker 8: mind and ask questions and think like the rest of us.
Speaker 7: And it's just so organically intersectional. Like I feel, and
Speaker 7: I feel comfortable in seeing myself in so many things
Speaker 7: that you will talk about.
Speaker 6: I didn't feel as though, ooh, I kind of want
Speaker 6: to comment that I can relate to that, but ooh,
Speaker 6: I don't want to. I don't want anything to be
Speaker 6: erased or dismissed on disregarding about who I am. You know,
Speaker 6: I feel like my my levels and my layers are
Speaker 6: in a safe space with this podcast, Like that's so important.
Speaker 7: It's because that is.
Speaker 6: That's that's so non negotiable when we look at like
Speaker 6: community work, when we look at organizing, when we look
Speaker 6: at building for real nation building, you know what I mean,
Speaker 6: Like where we can actually respect our variations which sometimes
Speaker 6: aren't even like differences, it's just variations of how we
Speaker 6: stand and being alive and existing, you know, And can
Speaker 6: we get j I el like.
Speaker 7: Blasted through like the hotel shit in the West End,
Speaker 7: because those.
Speaker 6: Like certain spaces, you know, treat blackness.
Speaker 7: In particular like it's a social club.
Speaker 6: If you don't meet this expectation, you can't be down
Speaker 6: with revolution.
Speaker 7: If you don't meet this expectation, you can't be down
Speaker 7: with revolution.
Speaker 6: And when we look at what it means to have
Speaker 6: a true community, it's so many of us.
Speaker 7: That's what makes it beautiful and.
Speaker 6: Strong and and allows it to flourish and foster actually
Speaker 6: growing because we allow all of us to take up
Speaker 6: space without feeling like we're stealing space, like you're safe here.
Speaker 8: Woo woo woo.
Speaker 1: Say it one more time, taking up space without saying
Speaker 1: that I'm stealing space, because that right there, whoa nellie,
Speaker 1: whoa no. I had a conversation with this beautiful brother
Speaker 1: a few days ago, was doing my makeup, a gay
Speaker 1: black brother, and he was telling me that he was
Speaker 1: having this debate with his best friend back and forth
Speaker 1: about he's a little older than me and all of
Speaker 1: this new stuff and all of this you know, blah
Speaker 1: blah blah blah, and like really really kind of buying
Speaker 1: into a lot of propaganda, right and so, and this
Speaker 1: is a black gay man.
Speaker 2: So a lot of times you do see like people from.
Speaker 1: The community being used in certain ways, you know, to
Speaker 1: spill certain propaganda. But anyway, by line was we were
Speaker 1: talking and I said to him, you know, listen to
Speaker 1: your best friend, because what we talk about in this moment,
Speaker 1: or what we're talking about in this moment is not
Speaker 1: It's easy to not erase when you're in community with people.
Speaker 1: When you're in the same you know, it's like when
Speaker 1: you're a kid, you're just a kid's playing, right, you
Speaker 1: don't have to announce yourself, right, But when you're in
Speaker 1: when you are out into the greater parts of the world,
Speaker 1: and you have to take up space in places and
Speaker 1: spaces that maybe you haven't been on, where people don't
Speaker 1: know who you are, where people don't just love you
Speaker 1: just for the sake of love you. You have to be able.
Speaker 1: You have to be able to count on those in
Speaker 1: community with.
Speaker 2: You to ride.
Speaker 5: You got to count on them to.
Speaker 1: Tell you that, hey, like, you have a right to
Speaker 1: announce yourself in any space you come into so that
Speaker 1: you can recreate that same kind of love that you
Speaker 1: feel when you're in your safe spaces, when you're in
Speaker 1: community with others. And it's like that and that we're
Speaker 1: counting on each other. We're counting on each other. So
Speaker 1: we have to fix it between us so that when
Speaker 1: we go out into the real enemy lines, that we
Speaker 1: are really actually holding the line for one another. We
Speaker 1: can't do it if we don't have it in the inside,
Speaker 1: you know, And the inside gotta be tight.
Speaker 7: I got six kids.
Speaker 1: Okay, what mother who with a bunch of kids ain't
Speaker 1: set them around one day?
Speaker 7: Is like, listen, y'all can argue all y'all want to.
Speaker 1: You understand I'm saying, But when it's time to ride,
Speaker 1: it's time to mother.
Speaker 7: F and ride. We ride.
Speaker 1: Okay, somebody that's with one of us, they messing with
Speaker 1: all of us. You gonna argue about where you different
Speaker 1: when we get home.
Speaker 5: That's why want black people to really be I can't
Speaker 5: wait for us to all. That's that's the dream. That's
Speaker 5: the dream. Like that's it right there.
Speaker 8: Aging we ride is we ride, we ride, and that's
Speaker 8: what we do here, Dada, We ride, you know, And.
Speaker 4: It doesn't matter, it doesn't matter the reason why you
Speaker 4: get there. Just go shit, it doesn't matter. Everything else
Speaker 4: is too damn exhausting. I love to feel rejuvenated. I
Speaker 4: love to feel alive in myself.
Speaker 2: I love that.
Speaker 4: That's wonderful. Pretending is exhaust you know. I had a moment,
Speaker 4: you know, sidebar. I had a moment on stage not
Speaker 4: too long ago, and I was like, I know, I'm tired,
Speaker 4: and I should be like I just had one last
Speaker 4: night and the whole other city, and now I'm here.
Speaker 2: I feel like I got the right to be tired.
Speaker 4: And that show was, you know, it went on for
Speaker 4: about two and a half hours, you know, and then
Speaker 4: we rode for about seven hours on the bus and
Speaker 4: now we're here, and I was like, yeah, but there's
Speaker 4: no need for me to just continue with the template.
Speaker 2: There's no need.
Speaker 4: I don't This is my house, this is my space.
Speaker 4: I don't need to do that. I can. You know,
Speaker 4: there is a template because we all obviously have to rehearse.
Speaker 4: But in this moment right now, I'm gonna let y'all
Speaker 4: know how I feel.
Speaker 2: That's how I feel. Let me just slide on in here,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 4: And then the whole room shifted, everything shifted, you know,
Speaker 4: and it taught me, you know, another valuable lesson. Always
Speaker 4: it's like that it's better to be in your to
Speaker 4: be in the room, you know, to be in here,
Speaker 4: rather than you know, to just be in you know,
Speaker 4: just to be in the space, but to actually have
Speaker 4: your energy and your spirit alive and emoting energy is
Speaker 4: way better than anything else.
Speaker 2: I prefer it, you know, but easily.
Speaker 4: Because you get tired, because you get stressed, get used
Speaker 4: to it. You can follow right in line with what was.
Speaker 4: This is a new world we're experiencing, and it can
Speaker 4: be very exciting and very loving. What I know is
Speaker 4: that I like who I like, Just like when we
Speaker 4: were kids, you see somebody across the room like.
Speaker 1: Up, like we're about to play.
Speaker 4: We're all don't play like that that level of excitement
Speaker 4: just because you know you are we best.
Speaker 2: Friends now, you know what I mean? Like where you know.
Speaker 4: That that excitement it still exists, and some people we
Speaker 4: have it with and some people we just don't. But
Speaker 4: if we open ourselves to it, I guarantee you're gonna
Speaker 4: find a little some of that every day.
Speaker 2: Every day. It's right there.
Speaker 5: I find it too often. Ye know.
Speaker 2: We're proud of you, Royce. We're proud of you.
Speaker 4: It's so wonderful to see you so like multi dimensional jeez, Luis.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a lot, It's a lot.
Speaker 4: That's who we're reaching. We're reaching these multi dimensional folks.
Speaker 5: Yeah. Yo, all the lists got to step it up, Royce.
Speaker 4: Look the bar is fat whoa running back running back
Speaker 4: genre bending, afro futuristic, black liberation, soul, funk, hip hop, music,
Speaker 4: recording artists, multi instrumentalist I love that, arranger, composer, EMC, vocalist, actor, photographer,
Speaker 4: sketch artist, keynote speaker, and a lum of fam you guly.
Speaker 5: I ain't even mentioned his current job on the thing.
Speaker 7: I mean, why why bother science that's the animal science.
Speaker 2: Of course.
Speaker 5: Oh, that's do about. But you can always go back
Speaker 5: to your mama.
Speaker 2: Farm and help her out with whatever she needs. We're
Speaker 2: gonna take a quick break and then we'll be right back.
Speaker 8: I was curious, is there any conversation that you think
Speaker 8: like that we haven't had that you would be you
Speaker 8: would be like, we should maybe think about having this conversation.
Speaker 7: Oh, I mean kind of spilling off.
Speaker 6: This is with us all being multi dimensional, multi layer,
Speaker 6: multi leveled, the power of saying yes to the living.
Speaker 7: In the rhythm of your body, like you know, when
Speaker 7: you're little and they ask you what do you want
Speaker 7: to be when you grew up?
Speaker 6: And you're like five, six ten, however old, and that
Speaker 6: can change at any moment. But there's the expectation of like, oh, well,
Speaker 6: you know, at six, I want to be an astronaut,
Speaker 6: and you asked again, okay, at ten you still want
Speaker 6: to be an astronaut, and so worth and so on.
Speaker 7: But there's very little room.
Speaker 6: For like, I want to be an astronaut, and then
Speaker 6: I want to be, you know, a professional violentist, or
Speaker 6: I would love to be a seamstress or a radio
Speaker 6: show personality.
Speaker 7: We don't get way for just the mind to be.
Speaker 7: You know, you can still.
Speaker 6: Be rooted and branch out, and it doesn't mean that
Speaker 6: you got to have one little limb hanging off your tree.
Speaker 1: You can.
Speaker 6: You can bear as me different types of fruits as
Speaker 6: you want on that tree, you know, just being able
Speaker 6: to say, all right, I'm okay with you know.
Speaker 7: I like animals. I love music too, So you.
Speaker 6: Know what I'm gonna do both, and I don't care
Speaker 6: what it means what it looks like to other people.
Speaker 7: It makes sense to me, and it makes sense to
Speaker 7: my spirit.
Speaker 6: And evidently that's been put on my heart for a reason.
Speaker 7: So can I stand in my reason and that be it?
Speaker 2: Come on.
Speaker 1: Reason?
Speaker 6: And like I don't, I don't imagine how how warm
Speaker 6: most of us will be if we can move through
Speaker 6: life on that them of our body. Yeah, by the
Speaker 6: time you retire, you're too you know, probably maybe you're
Speaker 6: too worn.
Speaker 7: Out to even enjoy anything else. You know. But even
Speaker 7: when you retire, if you've.
Speaker 6: Been a library and all of your life, guess what,
Speaker 6: you can go back to school and do whatever, or
Speaker 6: you can open up a market on the.
Speaker 7: Beach, or you know, can can we can we do
Speaker 7: that for ourselves and others just share that.
Speaker 6: I think that there's so much power and just allowing
Speaker 6: ourselves to live to according to that rhythm versus you know.
Speaker 7: That's it. That's it. That's that's very dry.
Speaker 4: According to my son, that's that's how he feels education
Speaker 4: is that it's it's very limiting. You know, there's things
Speaker 4: that you have to know, you have tests that you
Speaker 4: have to take, but it doesn't necessarily impact your life,
Speaker 4: you know, the way that you would want it to.
Speaker 4: And we had that discussion all the time. Yeah, there's
Speaker 4: there's some truth to it. There's also other other portions
Speaker 4: that are like, well, you know, it's it's good to
Speaker 4: know how to measure shit, it's good to know how
Speaker 4: to you know, and subtract, multiply and divide your money.
Speaker 2: You know, you know, that's.
Speaker 1: That's sometimes the harder part is the kind of larger
Speaker 1: philosophies that we try to get people to buy into it.
Speaker 1: So if you have a kid, you could you could
Speaker 1: teach somebody anytime. You can teach somebody in ten minutes
Speaker 1: how to measure, but you can't teach somebody how to
Speaker 1: have ideas. That's a lot harder. So the fact that
Speaker 1: you're sitting there and he has ideas, he is he
Speaker 1: is exploring the philosophy of his life and how he
Speaker 1: looks at and analyzes the things he's interacting with is.
Speaker 7: A high intelligence for me.
Speaker 1: You know, I think there's and I feel like, you know,
Speaker 1: you can always learn a thing, not say that to
Speaker 1: be easy, but you can always learn you know, these
Speaker 1: kind of you know, basic things and systems, you know,
Speaker 1: and unless and I also want to acknowledge there's always
Speaker 1: so many different ways to measure because guess what, people
Speaker 1: don't measure things the same way everywhere in the world.
Speaker 1: Some people use the metric system. Some people use a
Speaker 1: little raggedy system we have in America. Some people measure
Speaker 1: some people measured by my fingers, feet and toes.
Speaker 2: Some people so I think.
Speaker 4: Some people say far, some people say okay.
Speaker 2: Now now now I love them with that. No, I
Speaker 2: enjoyed it.
Speaker 1: I enjoy these young people and how they are pressing
Speaker 1: us and pushing us to think outside of you know,
Speaker 1: the box.
Speaker 7: And I know it is our job to keep.
Speaker 1: Them underunderstanding how to move with these ideas.
Speaker 2: There it is.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I'm supposed to have a conversation now. I literally
Speaker 8: was asking Royce what we should talk about in the future. There,
Speaker 8: y'all go, having a whole conversation. Now, I was giving
Speaker 8: us another show.
Speaker 7: I apologize you just.
Speaker 4: We can absolutely continue this because yeah, every generation wants
Speaker 4: to hold on to all the things that was before.
Speaker 4: And life is for the living people. You know, we
Speaker 4: learn as we grow, and we let some things, we
Speaker 4: let some things perish. And if it's not beneficial to
Speaker 4: the soul, if it's keeping you isolated, if it's barring
Speaker 4: you from opening up and getting out of boxes and
Speaker 4: out of the darkness, if it's if it's if it's
Speaker 4: halting you.
Speaker 2: From doing these things, let it go. Let it go.
Speaker 4: Talk to somebody you wouldn't normally have a genuine conversation
Speaker 4: in a bar, you know, on the street corner, you know,
Speaker 4: ask a question with respect and.
Speaker 2: And brightened, brighten your brighten your situation. Huh, it's all right.
Speaker 4: Thank you everybody for listening to j dot L the podcast.
Speaker 4: It is our pleasure to have conversation at Spark Conversation.
Speaker 4: And thank you so much Voice Hall for being here
Speaker 4: with us and being a super fan and supporter of
Speaker 4: our movement. Bless you.
Speaker 2: How do you eat an elephant?
Speaker 7: One?
Speaker 2: By God?
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Speaker 9: you all to know you are safe here. Nothing makes
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Speaker 2: He has some amazing books.
Speaker 9: You can also follow him on social media at I
Speaker 9: am Royce Hall and check out his YouTube. He made
Speaker 9: a few videos in response to this conversation. So if
Speaker 9: you kind of want to dive a little deeper into
Speaker 9: showing up as your authentic self and really nurturing your
Speaker 9: inner child.
Speaker 2: Check them out.
Speaker 9: I will link them in the show notes.
Speaker 3: Love you, yeah yeah, yeah.
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