Speaker 1: Thank you for pulling up a share on my podcast
Speaker 1: Table for Two. We're back in New York at Via Carota,
Speaker 1: and we're having lunch with a vivacious, super fit and
Speaker 1: wildly talented actress.
Speaker 2: I hear, my beautiful friend.
Speaker 1: If you missed my Table for two lunch with Anna Winter,
Speaker 1: I bring it up because her breakout role was in
Speaker 1: the devil Wares product. She's done so much more since then,
Speaker 1: including playing Mary Poppins and starring in the breakout hit
Speaker 1: A Quiet Place with her husband John Krasinski. Her new film,
Speaker 1: Christopher Nolan's Oppenheimer, comes out next week. It's really good, delicious,
Speaker 1: funny and charming. Don't do her justice. And I know
Speaker 1: we're going to have a great time. So I have
Speaker 1: a glass of rose because today we're having lunch. You
Speaker 1: guessed it with Emily Blunt. I'm Bruce Bosi and this
Speaker 1: is my podcast Table for two.
Speaker 2: This is the deal. Everybody who's listening.
Speaker 1: They pulled up for sure to have like sort of
Speaker 1: like a brunch lunch with us. You Emily is schlunked
Speaker 1: it in from Brooklyn.
Speaker 2: Throw up, it's a new It's you schlunked it in.
Speaker 1: Yeah, when you get home and you say to John,
Speaker 1: I schlocked he's going.
Speaker 3: To be flunked across Brooklyn to get to him. And
Speaker 3: he sends you so much love, so much, I love
Speaker 3: your husband.
Speaker 1: When we met, everybody, it was an instant love fest. Yeah,
Speaker 1: with the three of us, you do something, you and John.
Speaker 1: You did it in la and you've done it in Brooklyn.
Speaker 1: When you lived in l A, you have like your
Speaker 1: community you lived with, you know, on the same block
Speaker 1: with Jimmy and Molly Kim, you know, Lucy and mad Damon.
Speaker 3: They're in our building.
Speaker 2: You're in your building here.
Speaker 3: There, we're like some weird commune.
Speaker 2: I know, what is that about?
Speaker 3: Like I don't ever see Matt Damon not in his
Speaker 3: slippers anymore, you know, it's just always in his slippers.
Speaker 3: I haven't seen him in regular shoes in a long time. Really. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that's because we live in the same buildings. We just
Speaker 3: pop down to see each other.
Speaker 2: And I love that.
Speaker 3: It's the best.
Speaker 2: What made that happen?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 2: How did that?
Speaker 3: Well? I mean we I've been close with Matt since
Speaker 3: I worked with him years ago. I did this film
Speaker 3: called Adjustment Bureau, and the four of us all hung
Speaker 3: out a lot you know, Lucy and Matt and me
Speaker 3: and John and and we just it's quite rare when
Speaker 3: you really take someone away from a movie. You know,
Speaker 3: you can love someone on a film, but it's whether
Speaker 3: it's whether it's lasting or not is another thing. You know,
Speaker 3: whether it extends past this insular experience on a film
Speaker 3: is a whole other level of friendship, right, because you
Speaker 3: have such accelerated friendships with people on a movie.
Speaker 1: It's absurd how much the amount of time you're spending.
Speaker 3: Tea in the intensity of what you're creating. And it's
Speaker 3: just it's a world that is that everyone else is
Speaker 3: shut out of, including your partner, including everyone. It's just
Speaker 3: it's just a strange experience for three months to work
Speaker 3: on something like that and build something together. But then
Speaker 3: Matt is just the most easygoing, beautiful person. Lucy is
Speaker 3: even more beautiful. Sorry, Matt, but we all became friends.
Speaker 3: And then they moved to Brooklyn. They said, we found
Speaker 3: that there's this amazing building, and of course we were like,
Speaker 3: we'll live in the same building. But there's really lovely,
Speaker 3: cool people living in Brooklyn and we have Sunday night
Speaker 3: dinners and it's.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just throwback, yeah, and I think it's great because
Speaker 1: so often, like we go into these corners and like
Speaker 1: we've lost the sort of community of family and friends
Speaker 1: as a result of the easiness of that. So it
Speaker 1: reminds me of Lucy Etho, Ricky and Fred, you know,
Speaker 1: the island of Lucy. So if you had a sort
Speaker 1: of cast in this foursome, Yeah, who's sort of like
Speaker 1: the Lucy.
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm Lucy, righty.
Speaker 1: I always like somehow getting people in trouble, always.
Speaker 3: Like something goes wrong, always up to something.
Speaker 1: But that's kind of great just to come down and
Speaker 1: be like Lucy, come on down and the kids.
Speaker 3: The kids love each other. And Brooklyn's a funny sort
Speaker 3: of like certainly where we live is like a Sesame
Speaker 3: Street sort of Norman Rockwell thing. I mean, it sounds
Speaker 3: so idyllic and but it really is. And for me,
Speaker 3: it's one of the only places I could really live
Speaker 3: in America because I do miss London, I do miss home,
Speaker 3: and yet this community is so intoxicating that I just
Speaker 3: can't picture leaving it. London has beckoned to me many
Speaker 3: times over the last fourteen years. I've sort of been
Speaker 3: living in America and I miss it. I missed the attitude,
Speaker 3: I the irreverence. I miss the vibe of the Brits.
Speaker 3: I love them. And even though I had got an
Speaker 3: American passport and I'm married to America, my children American,
Speaker 3: I feel so English still.
Speaker 2: So we've been at several weddings. I was at your wedding.
Speaker 3: That was the best. By the way, my mother still
Speaker 3: talks about my mother. You spun her around the dance
Speaker 3: floor like a spinning top. And she literally said to me,
Speaker 3: she still talks about it, how sexy you made her feel.
Speaker 3: Not just that she thought you were sexy, but she did.
Speaker 3: But she went and you know what, he made me
Speaker 3: feel so sexy, And I went, that's great, mom, Like
Speaker 3: if I cringe out.
Speaker 2: She loved it was that was great.
Speaker 3: You're the best person to have on a dance floor
Speaker 3: because you're so delighted by the whole You can see
Speaker 3: you are delighted by it. You spin everyone into a frenzy.
Speaker 3: Everyone wants to be Oh, you lean in, you full
Speaker 3: throttle the dance floor.
Speaker 1: Do you find that now? I mean, your body work
Speaker 1: is incredible.
Speaker 3: Thank you.
Speaker 1: And then you know, I just watched the Curry again,
Speaker 1: which wow, man, you were just moving that was a
Speaker 1: tough movie. Yes, tough character, super hard physically and really
Speaker 1: intense as far as you know obviously the subject matter
Speaker 1: and everything.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're amazing, Thank you, Thank you.
Speaker 1: Do you find two things? One is like having to
Speaker 1: stay in like the top form that you're in, which
Speaker 1: you are so it seems part of the business you're in.
Speaker 2: And then also sort of making sure everything because.
Speaker 1: You know, being a mother, being a professional personall.
Speaker 3: It does and it doesn't well, not always well, you know.
Speaker 3: It's one of those things when people like, how do
Speaker 3: you balance it? I never feel I'm doing it right,
Speaker 3: you know, but I'm this year, I'm not working. I
Speaker 3: just need to be. Yeah, I just need to. I
Speaker 3: worked quite a bit last year, and my oldest baby
Speaker 3: is nine. I were in the last year of single digits,
Speaker 3: and I just feel there's cornerstones to their day that
Speaker 3: are so important when they're little, and it's will you
Speaker 3: wake me up? Will you take me to school? Will
Speaker 3: you pick me up? Will you put me to bed?
Speaker 3: And I just need to be there for all of
Speaker 3: them for a good stretch, and I just felt that
Speaker 3: in my bones. I had a beautiful time on the
Speaker 3: projects I did last year. Some were more intense than others,
Speaker 3: some were harder than others, someone more time consuming than others,
Speaker 3: and the ones that are time consuming, I think for
Speaker 3: me are becoming few and further between because of just
Speaker 3: the emotional cost on me, on the kids. On balance,
Speaker 3: and I'm very prone to guilt, and I think maybe
Speaker 3: all mothers are. You're just prone to feeling bad for
Speaker 3: God forbid, wanting something outside of being a mother. I
Speaker 3: am a huge advocate for it. I'm a huge advocate
Speaker 3: for women being ambitious. I love the word ambition. It's
Speaker 3: just dreams with purpose. That's all it is. It's not
Speaker 3: another world it is, That's what it is.
Speaker 2: That's what it means.
Speaker 3: And it's just and I want my kids to grow
Speaker 3: up and find something that they adore doing.
Speaker 1: And your kids watching you do something that you adore, Yeah,
Speaker 1: so important.
Speaker 3: It's so important. And of course they're just horrified by
Speaker 3: the fact that I'm an actress, which is sort of
Speaker 3: so embarrassed by and I have no desire to watching
Speaker 3: me in anything, which is very healthy because they just
Speaker 3: want me to be their mom. So the balance is
Speaker 3: usually it sways in extremes, like I'll work too much
Speaker 3: and then I'll have like a complete reaction against it
Speaker 3: and an aversion to being on a film set for
Speaker 3: a long time, and then I'll want to desperately work again.
Speaker 3: So I don't know if I do it moderately. I
Speaker 3: think I just have these pulls towards it and against it.
Speaker 1: Well, that's so beautiful that you now, and we're going
Speaker 1: to talk about because you do. You have a number
Speaker 1: of projects that are about to be reallyasing exactly.
Speaker 3: This sort of gives you an idea of what last
Speaker 3: year was, you know, and that's why I need to Yeah.
Speaker 1: So the idea that you've made a sort of formal
Speaker 1: decision in your life that you make it is very
Speaker 1: empowering to say, I'm going to take a break here
Speaker 1: where you wake up just peaceful, peaceful.
Speaker 3: I sleep great because when I work, I which I
Speaker 3: also love about it. I find it a heart racing experience.
Speaker 3: When I work, I love it. There's clearly this fire
Speaker 3: in me that I need to give room to. But
Speaker 3: I race with it for months leading up and then
Speaker 3: during and so when I finish a project and once
Speaker 3: it sort of expelled from me, I sleep again. So
Speaker 3: I don't know if I sleep great or I think
Speaker 3: straight when I'm working, and it's funny.
Speaker 1: I understand that completely. And I also think just being.
Speaker 2: A parent in and of itself, yeah.
Speaker 1: Not even having a job and a career like yours,
Speaker 1: which is so big, and that is part of the
Speaker 1: just the gig is you have to leave to do it. Sure,
Speaker 1: Guilt is just a part of being a parent. It's
Speaker 1: like a minute the kid pops out, You're.
Speaker 3: Like, guilty, doing righty guilty. I'm like, wow, I'm not
Speaker 3: doing facilating. The moment they come out.
Speaker 4: Of your body, it's just like, oh my god, Yes,
Speaker 4: what are like the little things?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: That you really if it's not too personal for me
Speaker 1: to ask, like which on like little? Like the little
Speaker 1: is it a walk in the park? Is it like
Speaker 1: a couple of coffee in the morning.
Speaker 3: It's usually the morning. We got a puppy who's absolutely beautiful.
Speaker 3: Because we got this puppy like idiots, even though I'm
Speaker 3: completely obsessed with her.
Speaker 2: This was a year to get it because and I knew.
Speaker 3: This was the time, because you know, it always falls
Speaker 3: on mom less burial, that's burial. And I wasn't wanting
Speaker 3: to get a dog, but the kids were pushing for it.
Speaker 3: And he and John was up for it. So we
Speaker 3: rescued this beautiful little She's not little, like she's going
Speaker 3: to be vast. We're realizing she's part massive, realizing, oh
Speaker 3: my god, she's already like a horse. She's five months.
Speaker 3: She's absolutely vast. I was like, I fell in love
Speaker 3: with her, fell in love there, couldn't care less. She
Speaker 3: had diarrheal last week. Imagine that in an apartment, no
Speaker 3: outdoor space. That's fun to wake up too, just Jackson
Speaker 3: pollocked all over the walls, just the little things that
Speaker 3: I do. So that was a rough week, that is,
Speaker 3: aside from our usual peaceful morning. But I like that
Speaker 3: quiet moment. I don't mind getting up early with this
Speaker 3: puppy because it means that John and I can kind
Speaker 3: of talk in the morning and catch up and really
Speaker 3: talk before the kids are awake and everything. Because the
Speaker 3: day gets away from you so quickly once once the
Speaker 3: tornadoes are up, it's just sort of game over. So
Speaker 3: I love those moments. I love watching movies. I love
Speaker 3: going for dinner with friends, love all of that. I
Speaker 3: love watching things like The Voice.
Speaker 2: I mean we love The Voice.
Speaker 3: Only the blind auditions. After that, I get a lot
Speaker 3: I agree.
Speaker 1: The blind auditions are showing really good. Thanks for joining
Speaker 1: us on Table for two. Emily has started in many
Speaker 1: films and has had an amazing career, and I'm wondering
Speaker 1: what really grabs her as an actress when she's considering
Speaker 1: a role. I mean, I don't think one looking at
Speaker 1: your career would So you've stayed in a lane. I
Speaker 1: mean from the movie that sort of launched you to
Speaker 1: the Mary Poppins to being in Siargan blowing people up,
Speaker 1: killing you know, and girl on a train, it's like you're.
Speaker 2: Hitting it at all.
Speaker 3: I do try to. It's sort of a conscious effort
Speaker 3: to keep experimenting. Really, I do have the desire still,
Speaker 3: I know in me I don't want to play it safe.
Speaker 3: I do continue to want to rip the face off stuff.
Speaker 4: I do.
Speaker 2: Oh I love you.
Speaker 1: I just love how you speak. That is like a visceral.
Speaker 1: That's kindly blunt visceral.
Speaker 3: You want to rip the face off. And I want
Speaker 3: to keep sort of challenging myself and not discovering the
Speaker 3: bag of tricks. I would love not to stay in
Speaker 3: a lane. So I do find it scary every time,
Speaker 3: you know, you kind of put your feet to the
Speaker 3: fire and do something new or something I've done before.
Speaker 3: I remember Marlon Brando said, you only have so many faces, really,
Speaker 3: and it's interesting, and I think that's the encouragement to
Speaker 3: be selective about what you choose to do, you know,
Speaker 3: And I am aware of that of like, well, what
Speaker 3: have I done before? What's new? What's scary? What do
Speaker 3: I when I read it? Do I have no idea
Speaker 3: how to play it? I like that.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, that's very interesting.
Speaker 3: I like it when it doesn't strike me immediately.
Speaker 1: Are there people actresses or actors from the past that
Speaker 1: you that inspired you growing up, or that you or
Speaker 1: that you look at and say that's the kind of
Speaker 1: or work you know someone that's it's such.
Speaker 3: A range of people, really. I mean it's one of
Speaker 3: my first experiences, rather inappropriately watching a film I shouldn't
Speaker 3: have done, was watching Pretty Women, and I remember just thinking,
Speaker 3: I can't remember how old I was too young to
Speaker 3: be watching it.
Speaker 1: You were young, because I could tell you the movie
Speaker 1: theater I was sitting in, and it was nineteen ninety
Speaker 1: ninety one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're born in the eighties, which is okay.
Speaker 1: I was about to graduate high school, so you were Yeah,
Speaker 1: you were quite young to see that.
Speaker 3: You were basically theater. I'm sure I saw it. I
Speaker 3: know I saw it when it came out on like
Speaker 3: video cassettes, so I'm not that young, like there were
Speaker 3: DVD's guys. I remember when I remember when she pulls
Speaker 3: out the condoms and she fans them, yes, yes, which
Speaker 3: again I said, what are those?
Speaker 1: Dad?
Speaker 3: And he goes, they're sweet? Yeah, candy, candy.
Speaker 2: Shock, thank you.
Speaker 3: That's I just couldn't don't know what they were, right, So,
Speaker 3: but I remember watching her and then in every movie
Speaker 3: I saw afterwards, just being completely bewitched by her because
Speaker 3: she was so free and charming and yet brilliant, and
Speaker 3: when she would cry, it was this emotional force of
Speaker 3: reality and truth. And I just felt like she could
Speaker 3: do anything and she was. She just lit things up,
Speaker 3: and I thought, that's a movie stuff. Wow. But she's
Speaker 3: also just an incredible actress. So she was sort of
Speaker 3: my first experience with like really being inspired by an
Speaker 3: actor totally completely. And then of course the Meryl Streeps
Speaker 3: and the Diane Weese and like all those incredible actresses
Speaker 3: who I've loved in so many different things. I remember
Speaker 3: Edward Sissahans just being just in love with Diane. We
Speaker 3: just wanted her to adopt me.
Speaker 2: She was always just lit up the screen, which she incredible. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but that's interesting. I always wonder like who inspires Street?
Speaker 1: So just to touch upon it you've talked about a
Speaker 1: million times, but it's like, what was that like for
Speaker 1: you as such a young girl to work with this
Speaker 1: woman and not only sort of have to like live
Speaker 1: up to something but hit it out of the park.
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Was that?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 2: How'd you walk on that set? The first thing?
Speaker 3: I mean, the table read itself was sort of goose bumpy,
Speaker 3: stomach churning, exciting. Found it very nerve wracking, you know,
Speaker 3: listening to it's like in a table read, which are
Speaker 3: the worst things on earth? Just terrifying because everyone's sort
Speaker 3: of marking it. But then you feel if you mark it,
Speaker 3: people are going to kind of judge you for it
Speaker 3: and be like, is that all she's going to do?
Speaker 3: You know, and like, but yeah, you kind of don't
Speaker 3: want to go all out because then you don't want
Speaker 3: to look keen. So it's just that it's a terrible
Speaker 3: balance to try and stride and the best things you
Speaker 3: were probably just to kind of mutter your way through
Speaker 3: it and.
Speaker 2: Not really do it.
Speaker 3: But I felt, you know, no one knew who I was,
Speaker 3: and this was kind of a big part for me
Speaker 3: to get and it was just a big opportunity. So
Speaker 3: not to say I went full throttle, but I didn't
Speaker 3: mutter my way through it, you know, so consciously. But
Speaker 3: I remember listening to them reading the scenes leading up
Speaker 3: to my first line and just bricking it just I
Speaker 3: don't know if you know what that means. It's a
Speaker 3: British term shitting bricks. So when you're bricking it, you're bricks.
Speaker 1: So I was waiting for each person going around, you're
Speaker 1: just getting more.
Speaker 3: So then it came up to my first line and
Speaker 3: I said my first line, which I can't remember what
Speaker 3: it was, something about human resources certainly have an odd
Speaker 3: sense of humor, or something about poor Annie hath the
Speaker 3: Way's character. And Meryll did this sort of low, rumbly
Speaker 3: laugh to herself, and I was like, and I was
Speaker 3: so thrilled. And whether or not she found it funny
Speaker 3: is besides the point. It's just the fact that I
Speaker 3: think she she can read the room. She knows when
Speaker 3: people need a little bolster or a little lean or
Speaker 3: some little catch. And she's a master of reading the
Speaker 3: room and reading people, which is why she soaks people
Speaker 3: up and she probably puts them into all of her characters.
Speaker 3: But she's also dealing with And we talked about it afterwards,
Speaker 3: you know, we've done three films together now, and she said,
Speaker 3: you know, she's basically a lot of the time, I
Speaker 3: realized dealing with doing two jobs, which is one of
Speaker 3: which is the scene and the other one is dealing
Speaker 3: with the other actor going oh my god, I'm in
Speaker 3: a scene with Meryl Street. So it's sort of a
Speaker 3: two prong job. I think someone of her stature and
Speaker 3: I think she just wants to be treated like everybody else.
Speaker 3: She wants the notes, she wants, she wants the screws
Speaker 3: tightened on he like everybody else.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would imagine. I've never even thought about that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, if you're revered that much, you know, how do
Speaker 3: you know?
Speaker 1: How do you how do you separate the two when
Speaker 1: you know that there's so much pressure because the person's
Speaker 1: looking at you, they can never really actually lose himself
Speaker 1: potentially completely the character.
Speaker 2: Because you're like, oh my god, what she thinking? Living
Speaker 2: up to it?
Speaker 3: Yes, that's very interesting. I think about that with quite
Speaker 3: a lot of people who are either supremely revered or
Speaker 3: supremely famous, or the double whammy of both, and that's
Speaker 3: a lot of energy coming at you. Like I remember
Speaker 3: there was that thing where Brad Pitt was at the
Speaker 3: Golden Globes and everyone was up there going, oh my god,
Speaker 3: remember that, freaking out that they were in front of him,
Speaker 3: And I thought, what's that like? If you're on the
Speaker 3: receiving end of that kind of energy all the time,
Speaker 3: that must be rough.
Speaker 1: When you say yes to a part and you're excited,
Speaker 1: do you ever wake up going like.
Speaker 3: Why would I do it? All the time? All the time?
Speaker 3: I mean constantly, I've riddled with self doubt leading up
Speaker 3: to it. The whole first week. I'm like, this is terrible.
Speaker 3: I'm terrible. You know, it's just that's fine. You kind
Speaker 3: of go with the flow with that. I've learned to
Speaker 3: kind of ride those times out, but most of the
Speaker 3: time now because I'm probably much more selective about what
Speaker 3: I choose to do and who I want to work with, Like,
Speaker 3: there's obviously people who will hit your life's too shortlist
Speaker 3: where you're like, oh god, never again, or no, that
Speaker 3: doesn't sound fun. But yes, I'm usually frozen with fear
Speaker 3: leading up to it and and then you get taken
Speaker 3: over by it.
Speaker 1: Yeah you have, so we talked about it earlier, so
Speaker 1: the next year you.
Speaker 2: Have a lot of stuff coming out. Yeah. Fog Guy
Speaker 2: with Ryan Gosling.
Speaker 3: Yes, Oh my god, it was such I can't eat.
Speaker 1: To start with the Fog because Far Guy. I grew
Speaker 1: up watching The Fun Intelligence What drew you that? And
Speaker 1: working with Ryan who's so incredible.
Speaker 3: He's an incredible guy and such a talent. And I think,
Speaker 3: you know, I love David Leech's work, and he's just
Speaker 3: a He's caught this like pop culture kinetic visual stride
Speaker 3: that is just so exciting and rare, and it's really modern.
Speaker 3: I think I felt I hadn't done something contemporary for
Speaker 3: a little bit, and I've been I mean, I love
Speaker 3: I love a period drama. I'm like all about it.
Speaker 3: But I think I wanted to do something funny and
Speaker 3: big and sort of lights out really and I love
Speaker 3: that TV series too and the movie. When I signed on,
Speaker 3: they were still developing the script and I love that
Speaker 3: open armed thing of come into the fold, let's build
Speaker 3: this together. It was very open armed and very collaborative,
Speaker 3: and I think because Ryan is so free you know,
Speaker 3: he's so free spirited as an actor and is always
Speaker 3: trying to search for something more interesting in the scene.
Speaker 3: So it means the scenes have this completely singular life
Speaker 3: where you don't kind of know where the scene's going
Speaker 3: to go. And I loved it improv and he loves
Speaker 3: to improve, and so it was it was about every
Speaker 3: day was about this kind of chase and we would
Speaker 3: laugh saying on this movie it was like the escape
Speaker 3: from everything. We get out because the film is a
Speaker 3: really big idea and it's all about, you know, the
Speaker 3: stunt world and the fact that we were also celebrating
Speaker 3: stunt men who do not get enough accolades in this industry.
Speaker 3: The fact that there is no award at the Oscars
Speaker 3: for a stunt team is terrible when every other department,
Speaker 3: Mad Max doesn't happen without a stunt team, Like none
Speaker 3: of these big Best Picture nominally nominees, they don't happen
Speaker 3: without a stunt team.
Speaker 2: Never thought about that.
Speaker 3: They don't like the mission Impossible is the Top Guns, Like,
Speaker 3: where does that happen without your stunt team? And they
Speaker 3: put their lives at risk for all of us to
Speaker 3: kind of mosey in and do a couple of chops
Speaker 3: in the air and a punch and they make us
Speaker 3: look amazing while they're getting dragged across gravel and you
Speaker 3: do the close up on a green screen. I mean,
Speaker 3: it's like ridiculous.
Speaker 2: That's so true.
Speaker 3: And they just they literally put themselves out there every day.
Speaker 3: And Dave Leech, who was a stunt man and was
Speaker 3: one of their best stunt men in the industry. He
Speaker 3: stunt double Brad Pitt and Matt Damon and all those boys.
Speaker 3: And you know, he wanted to do all the stunts practically,
Speaker 3: which means without cgi and anything like that. And we
Speaker 3: were trying to break really big records in the stunt
Speaker 3: well for what we were able to do, and it
Speaker 3: was just thrilling. I loved it. It's so funny this movie.
Speaker 3: It's so romantic and so funny.
Speaker 1: So and you're so physical and so that's I can't
Speaker 1: wait to see that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you'll love it. You'll love it.
Speaker 2: Then Pain Hustlers.
Speaker 3: Yes, Yes, that's Netflix.
Speaker 2: Yes, talk to me about that.
Speaker 3: So that one. That's July, No, that's October. So Pain
Speaker 3: Hustlers was a project that came to me, which was
Speaker 3: sort of the first time I think I veered in
Speaker 3: to do something political, contemporary, hard hitting. It's really an exploration,
Speaker 3: I felt, deep down of the shadiness in all of us.
Speaker 3: And isn't that interesting to have a character at the
Speaker 3: center of it who is a good person but does
Speaker 3: some really fucked up things and gets she gets caught
Speaker 3: up in the intoxicating world of selling pharmaceuticals and knows
Speaker 3: it's corrupt, can't get out for a variety of reasons,
Speaker 3: some out of her control. And it's about accountability, it's
Speaker 3: about guilt, it's about all of these things, like what
Speaker 3: keeps you up at night when you're staring at the ceiling,
Speaker 3: questioning whether you're a good person or that. And I
Speaker 3: just thought that exploration of the shadiness in a character,
Speaker 3: and you don't often see it in a female character,
Speaker 3: because I feel strongly that most female characters in Hollywood
Speaker 3: are usually held up to some sort of feminine ideal.
Speaker 3: And I'm always hearing this, like is she likable? I'm
Speaker 3: I don't give a fuck if she's likable, you know,
Speaker 3: And no man is ever asked that, Like none of
Speaker 3: those guys in the Big Short or Wolf of Wall Street,
Speaker 3: where we're never concerned if they were likable and they
Speaker 3: were doing terrible corrupt things. So I really was inspired
Speaker 3: by this idea and very much supported by David Yates
Speaker 3: who directed it. It was real. We were sort of
Speaker 3: trying to build this case for a woman who does
Speaker 3: some bad things and how does she cope with that?
Speaker 3: And it's done in this very dynamic visual way the
Speaker 3: whole movie.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's great, that's great that you should have look
Speaker 1: at it through that lens and you're sort of an
Speaker 1: advocate for how women are perceived perceived in your industry
Speaker 1: and like, is bullshit.
Speaker 3: It is bullshit, and how women are sort of perceived
Speaker 3: in society as well, and like the different rules that
Speaker 3: women are more held to than men, And so yeah,
Speaker 3: I just thought this intoxicating world of selling pharmaceuticals and
Speaker 3: this hard hitting, fast paced, corrupt world was an interesting
Speaker 3: exploration because it's very prominent right now. There are so
Speaker 3: there's so many deaths from opioid abuse and this has
Speaker 3: been completely put this a crisis is born out of
Speaker 3: natural events, and this is really the colossal crime behind
Speaker 3: the crisis, and that's through the pharmaceutical companies and the
Speaker 3: governments that support them completely.
Speaker 2: I just watched that documentary as Sacler documentary.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so this is what it's based on. This is
Speaker 3: what the movie is based on.
Speaker 1: Welcome Back to Table for two. One of this summer's
Speaker 1: biggest films is Oppenheimer by famed director Christopher Nolan. Emily
Speaker 1: Star says Kitty j Robert Oppenheimer's wife, it's an unorthodox blockbuster,
Speaker 1: a movie with a message for humanity. Let's talk about Oppenheim. Okay,
Speaker 1: let's talk about Kitty. Let's talk about Nolan. Let's talk
Speaker 1: about that cast.
Speaker 2: What was that like it?
Speaker 3: That was a true master class like that you kind
Speaker 3: of run to work every day to just see what
Speaker 3: he's going to dream up Chris, because he is he's
Speaker 3: an extraordinary force. He is talk about someone who has
Speaker 3: an authority to them, and he's got his own intimidation
Speaker 3: factor that is there. But it's partly I mean to me,
Speaker 3: I didn't find him intimidating. I adored him. He's so English,
Speaker 3: he's most British person. He's like my family. So when
Speaker 3: he's happy with the take, he goes yeah, good, happy, yeah,
Speaker 3: and I'll go yeah, and he goes okay, good, moving on,
Speaker 3: moving okay, And to me, I'm like, dad, you know, yeah,
Speaker 3: So I loved it and the whole experience of working
Speaker 3: on it that yes, it's a biopic. But when I
Speaker 3: first read it at his house, you know, you go
Speaker 3: over to meet him, and I didn't care if it
Speaker 3: was a scene I would be wanting to do this movie.
Speaker 3: I didn't care. I just wanted to work with him.
Speaker 3: And I read it and I thought, yes, it's a biopic.
Speaker 3: But it was so emotional. It moved like this Chase thriller.
Speaker 3: And when you watch it, it grabs you by the throat
Speaker 3: in the beginning, and it's like a horror movie. It's
Speaker 3: like a horror movie. Trojan Horse is a biopic. I mean,
Speaker 3: it's just Killian Murphy, my dear friend, is so extraordinary,
Speaker 3: and he's absolutely mesmerizing and holds the whole thing together
Speaker 3: so delicately.
Speaker 2: Will you tell the people that pulled up a chair what?
Speaker 3: So the story is about? So the story is about Oppenheimer,
Speaker 3: who created the atomic bomb, and it follows his whole
Speaker 3: life story from a brilliant child physicist in college up
Speaker 3: until when he was enlisted to create the bomb. Bill
Speaker 3: Los Alamus and then goes into another time period when
Speaker 3: he was kind of dragged through the calls in his
Speaker 3: security hearing during the McCarthy era, where he was accused
Speaker 3: of communism because of his relationships with his wife who
Speaker 3: dabbled in communism who I play, his girlfriend who was
Speaker 3: a communist, his brother who was a communist. So it's
Speaker 3: just the rise and fall of a brilliant brain. The
Speaker 3: trauma of a brain like that of living with that
Speaker 3: kind of genius brain is depicted so visually and so
Speaker 3: frighteningly in the movie. It's about him, but it's about
Speaker 3: these themes of ambition and male ego during war and
Speaker 3: that pursuit of something that would change the world forever,
Speaker 3: the pursuit of something that's bigger than all of us,
Speaker 3: that will have ramifications for the rest of time. It's
Speaker 3: just it's really incredible. What is the restlessness in us
Speaker 3: that even hearing this could be potentially bad, that you
Speaker 3: could unleash something that would have a negative effect psychologically,
Speaker 3: emotionally on the earth, on us as humans, on the environment.
Speaker 3: Is what is the pursuit that still restlessly lives in us?
Speaker 3: You know, it's just terrifying when.
Speaker 1: You work in an ensemble like that and there's such
Speaker 1: brilliant actors.
Speaker 2: Yes, is it harder? Is it more uplifting for you? Like?
Speaker 2: How do you find your sort of place in that? Oh?
Speaker 3: It's so easy, you know, because there is simply one
Speaker 3: voice on set, and it will be Chris's. You know,
Speaker 3: there's no there's one lead dog and it's very clear,
Speaker 3: and we're all just there to to just try and
Speaker 3: deliver something to him.
Speaker 2: And when you have Matt.
Speaker 3: Matt Damon's in it, Killian Murphy's in it, Robert Downey
Speaker 3: Junior is in it, Florence Pugh's in it, like there's
Speaker 3: just wonderful people. Male Yeah, Romie Maleck's in it. I mean,
Speaker 3: Ksey Affleck said it. Just the list goes on and
Speaker 3: on and on of people. Kenneth Branna is in it.
Speaker 3: The people who showed up to do one day on
Speaker 3: this film and they raise their hands willingly and immediately
Speaker 3: for Chris. And then you know why, when you're on set,
Speaker 3: you go, that makes sense. Of course they do? They run?
Speaker 1: You know, you think so when we see this movie,
Speaker 1: I haven't obviously seen it without giving anything away, do
Speaker 1: you leave thinking hope?
Speaker 2: Do you leave thinking Wow, this was really bad.
Speaker 3: I think it's just the most thought provoking film. It
Speaker 3: will kidnap you and you're going to think about it
Speaker 3: for a long time afterwards.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like one of those.
Speaker 3: It's one of those. It's not a film, it's an experience.
Speaker 3: It's away try.
Speaker 1: You know when you guys did the A Quiet Place
Speaker 1: and and this is just funny. I don't know if
Speaker 1: this will actually read if you've pulled up a chair today,
Speaker 1: But like Eva and I, that movie was we just
Speaker 1: loved it. We watched it over the summer and we
Speaker 1: were like, in bed at night, it's scary as fox.
Speaker 2: And so then we played the game.
Speaker 1: So like we'd be like in the kitchen and like
Speaker 1: there's at my parents' house and there was a garbage but.
Speaker 2: You pull out from a drawer.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and we'd be like okay now, and I'd be
Speaker 1: like I'm like, like I point like she had to
Speaker 1: throw it out, and she'd look at me and she'd
Speaker 1: knowing that the thing was about to go, and then
Speaker 1: I would just wave goodbye to her like that was
Speaker 1: like that's oh why that was really? Was that an
Speaker 1: unexpected sort of very success?
Speaker 3: Yes, I mean the first one was made for sixteen
Speaker 3: million dollars and we shot it in six weeks, and
Speaker 3: it was very pressured, and I think John was just
Speaker 3: trying to make an art movie. And of course when
Speaker 3: you do these sort of lower budget horror movies, the
Speaker 3: studios always talk about, you know, this is our model
Speaker 3: for like you know, and he said, well, I don't
Speaker 3: want to make a slasher movie I'm making. I want
Speaker 3: to make an art movie. And they're like, fine, you
Speaker 3: still have six weeks. So it's just it was pressured,
Speaker 3: and I thought the concept was so brilliant. It's so simple, right.
Speaker 3: I love ideas in movies where you can wrap your
Speaker 3: arms around it like that. Right, if you make noise,
Speaker 3: you die? Right? So simple? And how has no one died?
Speaker 3: It's so simple that you're like, how has no one
Speaker 3: done this? True? And then you're like, has anyone done
Speaker 3: this before? And no, they really haven't. So he fell
Speaker 3: in love with this specscript that he got sent. He
Speaker 3: pitched it to me. I said, you should direct. You've
Speaker 3: got a whole world that you're building in your head
Speaker 3: and you should do it. He was terrified to do it,
Speaker 3: but did it again? Support Sport, Yeah, come on, like
Speaker 3: you can do it, and of course he made a
Speaker 3: beautiful movie. I think as it goes with every director
Speaker 3: and even myself in the editing process in a film,
Speaker 3: I can't see a film anymore after you see fifteen
Speaker 3: cuts of it. I'm like, I don't know if it's good,
Speaker 3: Like I have no idea anymore, lose perspective. So I
Speaker 3: remember us driving to south By Southwest, which is this
Speaker 3: great film festival, very supportive sort of movie crowd. No
Speaker 3: one had seen the film, ten people had seen it,
Speaker 3: and he was bricking it, you know, in the car
Speaker 3: on the waves, just bricks left all around our Texas
Speaker 3: And I said, I think it's incredible. I don't know
Speaker 3: what anyone else will think, but I think it's incredible.
Speaker 3: He was like, couldn't even speak by catatonic was fear.
Speaker 3: And then it started to play in the movie theater,
Speaker 3: and it probably that moment will probably go down as
Speaker 3: one of the most unforgettable experiences, not just in my
Speaker 3: career but my life. And people stopped eating during it,
Speaker 3: and it was so silent it was it added to
Speaker 3: the trauma of the movie, as if people felt a
Speaker 3: part of trying to keep this family alive exactly it
Speaker 3: went deathly quiet, and then people started to laugh a bit,
Speaker 3: and John went, Oh my god, why they're laughing, And
Speaker 3: I said, because they're shitting it. They're so scared. And
Speaker 3: I remember when the film ended and my character cocks
Speaker 3: the big rifle and everything, and people jumped up like
Speaker 3: it was a Beatles concert. It was like they blew
Speaker 3: the doors off the place. And I instantly cried because
Speaker 3: it was just so beautiful and such a relief. And
Speaker 3: because of that film festival, and I will give south
Speaker 3: By all the credit for why the movie then went
Speaker 3: on to do so well. And as much as I
Speaker 3: have such an aversion to social media and don't do it,
Speaker 3: I saw the benefit of that because it just spread
Speaker 3: like quick fire. You gotta see this movie, got to
Speaker 3: see this, got to see this, gotta se this movie.
Speaker 3: And so by the time the film came out, it
Speaker 3: had some colossal opening weekend that we have never anticipated ever.
Speaker 2: It was truly captivating.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a beautifulrifying, and your performance was great and
Speaker 1: John's and you get so scared.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I could talk to Emily all day, but sadly, all
Speaker 1: lunches must come to an end. And as we wind down,
Speaker 1: I wonder what's next if you sort of had to
Speaker 1: do a trajectory of the next piece of your professional life,
Speaker 1: which has been so rich, Emily, and you're so talented,
Speaker 1: were is there is there something like burning in you
Speaker 1: to sort of do or you just sort.
Speaker 2: Of like open.
Speaker 3: I continue to want to see things through more if
Speaker 3: they've come to me in their early stages and I've
Speaker 3: helped build them, and then you can release your baby
Speaker 3: out there to the world, see that something come to
Speaker 3: fruition that way that I would like to do much
Speaker 3: more of. I find it terrifying and exciting all at once,
Speaker 3: you know, I see more of that. I don't know
Speaker 3: about directing, because I've also seen what it does to them.
Speaker 3: It's so consuming, but I think at some point, yes,
Speaker 3: I would. I'd like to try that.
Speaker 2: You definitely should be cool. I mean, you're a baby,
Speaker 2: you are.
Speaker 1: This has been one of the most enjoyable launch I'm
Speaker 1: really honored.
Speaker 3: An amazing interview.
Speaker 2: I am. Yes, thank you.
Speaker 3: It's so natural and it's like butter it's wonderful.
Speaker 2: Exactly. But it's very easy.
Speaker 1: To sit with someone you love but you admire or
Speaker 1: you and whether I knew you before, like we do
Speaker 1: or no.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Thank you, and I hope that everyone enjoyed today.
Speaker 2: Thank you, it was wonderful.
Speaker 3: Thank you so much for this highly Carl, I love you.
Speaker 2: Can deserve every car.
Speaker 3: We're going to get dessert now, all right, well, thank
Speaker 3: you for joining me today.
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