Speaker 1: Hey, everyone, Welcome to the Fantasy Pros Dynasty Podcast. I'm
Speaker 1: Pat Fitzmorris and I'm going to be doing the driving
Speaker 1: today because my podcast partner, Scott Bogman isn't here. Bogman
Speaker 1: is still in Seattle where he was attending MLB's All
Speaker 1: Star festivities. But who needs Bogman. I've brought in a
Speaker 1: special guest co host this week. It's Dave Heilman of
Speaker 1: Dynasty Dorks and other fantasy sports and sports gambling outlets.
Speaker 1: You can find them on Twitter at Dynasty Dorks. Hello Dave,
Speaker 1: thanks for joining me today. How's the summer treating you
Speaker 1: so far?
Speaker 2: It's going fast.
Speaker 3: Just got back from the Cincinnati Scott Fish Bull Live Draft.
Speaker 3: So that was a lot of fun and you can
Speaker 3: tell by the voice it was a lot of fun.
Speaker 2: It was a great event. John Boss shout out. He
Speaker 2: did a great job.
Speaker 1: Outstanding man. So our subject today is going to be
Speaker 1: at breakout candidates for twenty twenty three. So let's dive
Speaker 1: right in with some breakout candidates. It's the all important
Speaker 1: courquarterback position. Dave, hit me with your first QB breakout candidate.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's Desmond Ritter and so Desmond Ritter.
Speaker 3: There was questions whether or not he would be the starter,
Speaker 3: if they would invest in a quarterback during the draft,
Speaker 3: and they did not. And so what they did was
Speaker 3: they added another weapon to the offense. And I know
Speaker 3: there's some concern they've used top ten picks on offensive
Speaker 3: weapons and not used them correctly in the past. But
Speaker 3: Marcus Mariota, Mariota is your quarterback. You're kind of limited
Speaker 3: to the cards that you have in your hand. And
Speaker 3: so Desmond Ritter came on last year. He was a
Speaker 3: much more accurate passer who's very efficient, and you look
Speaker 3: at the rushing upside that he brings. I look at
Speaker 3: Ryan Tannehill when he was with Arthur Smith. This guy
Speaker 3: had two and eighty yards of rushing in college, had
Speaker 3: he had twenty eight rushing touchdowns in college. That's huge
Speaker 3: for fantasy football. And he threw thirty passing touchdowns his
Speaker 3: senior year.
Speaker 2: So I think this.
Speaker 3: Guy, he is going under the radar a little bit
Speaker 3: and you can get him very cheap in your super
Speaker 3: flex drafts. He's basically three one quarterback draft and he's
Speaker 3: got that rushing upside that that could bring him out. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I like that call. And you know, I'm high on
Speaker 1: Drake London. And part of the reason I'm high on
Speaker 1: Drake London is because his efficiency really spiked after the
Speaker 1: Falcons made the switch from Mariota to Ridder last year.
Speaker 1: I think London averaged like three yards per rout run
Speaker 1: with Ridder at the end of the season. And the
Speaker 1: guy can run like four or five speed. He is
Speaker 1: a legit running threat. So it's going to be really
Speaker 1: interesting to see how that Falcons offense looks this year.
Speaker 1: So mine is Trey Lance. And man, I've just, you know,
Speaker 1: been beating this drama on this podcast for a long time,
Speaker 1: so you know, regular listeners are probably going to be
Speaker 1: sick of hearing about it by now. But this guy
Speaker 1: is so outrageously cheap for quarterback who was the third
Speaker 1: overall pick of the twenty twenty one draft and could
Speaker 1: potentially be handed the keys to a forty nine ers
Speaker 1: offense that's just laden with skill position talent in twenty
Speaker 1: twenty one. I mean, the plan was always to bring
Speaker 1: along Lance slowly because he was twenty one years old
Speaker 1: and had essentially played one year at North Dakota State,
Speaker 1: where he was facing lesser competition. But Lance broke his
Speaker 1: the index finger on his throwing hand in twenty twenty one.
Speaker 1: That was in the preseason. He said the injury forced
Speaker 1: him new changes throwing mechanics. He couldn't grip the ball properly.
Speaker 1: Made two starts as a rookie when Jimmy Garoppolo was hurt,
Speaker 1: and those two starts were neither great nor disastrous, then
Speaker 1: Lance was going to get his chance. Last year, played
Speaker 1: one game against the Bears in a rain storm, then
Speaker 1: broke his ankle in his second start. But when Jimmy
Speaker 1: Garoppolo also got her last year, seventh round Pickbrock Purty
Speaker 1: came in, played well guided the forty nine ers to
Speaker 1: a pair of playoff wins. So now Lance is going
Speaker 1: to have to vault past Perdy on the depth chart
Speaker 1: and passed free agency me Sam Darnold to win back
Speaker 1: the job. But I think he's going to get his
Speaker 1: because of the substantial investment the forty nine ers made
Speaker 1: in him. If he doesn't, and if the forty nine
Speaker 1: ers are putting their thumbs on the scale for brock Purdy,
Speaker 1: who by the way, played a lot of really bad
Speaker 1: defenses last year that I think made him look better
Speaker 1: than he actually might be. If that's the case, then
Speaker 1: look you might have to sit on him ayear and
Speaker 1: not get anything. But I think he would get his
Speaker 1: chance with someone in twenty twenty four. You know, we
Speaker 1: know Lance is the sort of rushing ability that moves
Speaker 1: the needle for fantasy. He averaged fifty eight rushing yards
Speaker 1: in his first three NFL starts, then broke his ankle
Speaker 1: on the fourth on a designed run for Trey Lance.
Speaker 1: So Lance's arm talent two and you know we saw
Speaker 1: video and OTA's it looked like he cleaned up some
Speaker 1: of the mechanics that might have gone awry with that
Speaker 1: broken index finger. Yeah, so I'm bullish here and the
Speaker 1: price is plummeted. Are you are you with me on Lance?
Speaker 1: Dave or I mean, he is a polarizing guy in Dynasty.
Speaker 1: I you know, I won't hate you if you're not
Speaker 1: with me here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, He's he's really tough. So with any player, it
Speaker 3: just comes down to the price. And if you can
Speaker 3: possibly heade your bets and get Rock Purty and Trey Lance,
Speaker 3: you could end up with two quarterbacks on different teams
Speaker 3: and two twenty four that nothing's saying they couldn't move
Speaker 3: on from Rock Party if they moved to Trey Lance.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I think I was surprised Tree Lance didn't
Speaker 3: get traded this offseason. But Brock Purty's injury really made
Speaker 3: things difficult. But yeah, we'll see how this class comes
Speaker 3: next year. But Trey Lance will be on the you know,
Speaker 3: the last year of his rookie contract minus the fifth
Speaker 3: year option, and they'll be forced to make a decision
Speaker 3: on him soon.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, you got another quarterback breakout candidate for me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's Sam Howe.
Speaker 3: And so again, looking at these second year quarterbacks that
Speaker 3: I honestly thought might be replaced in the draft by
Speaker 3: you know, Will Levis or Hendon Hope, and they weren't.
Speaker 2: And so I know Jacoby.
Speaker 3: Brissett is there, and I think that that's baked into
Speaker 3: his cost. You're not having to pay a whole lot
Speaker 3: for Sam Howe. But Sam Howe is another player that
Speaker 3: brings rushing upside. You look at his last season at
Speaker 3: North Carolina eight and twenty eight yards and eleven touchdowns.
Speaker 2: That's huge. I'm sure people that play college fantasy football
Speaker 2: loved it. And then you looked at his one start.
Speaker 3: I'm not going to try to extrapolate one start and
Speaker 3: say this is what he's projected to do. But five
Speaker 3: carries thirty five yards in his one start against the
Speaker 3: Dallas Cowboys last year. So you're looking at a guy
Speaker 3: that's got a great set of weapons. He's got a
Speaker 3: pretty bad defense, They're probably going to be playing from
Speaker 3: behind quite a bit, and you got the rushing upside,
Speaker 3: and he's going as QB twenty eight, twenty nine. Right now,
Speaker 3: I'm okay with grabbing him, especially if he's my third
Speaker 3: quarterback and seeing what happens here.
Speaker 2: I'm excited to see with this Eric b enemy offense.
Speaker 3: Look like they got a good running game and they
Speaker 3: have three receivers. Yeah, Jahan Dottson had seven touchdowns last year,
Speaker 3: Curtis Samuel, He's he's really good last year coming off
Speaker 3: of injury, and of course Terry McLaurin, Oh yeah, Logan
Speaker 3: Thomas coming back. But I'm really focused on those receivers.
Speaker 3: So I think he's just he set up for successful weapons.
Speaker 1: He's really intriguing. And granted the twenty twenty one rookie
Speaker 1: QB class was not a good one, but Howell had
Speaker 1: my favorite prospect profile. I mean, he hit the ground
Speaker 1: running as a freshman at North Carolina in the acc
Speaker 1: A Power five Conference, and you know, like two really
Speaker 1: good seasons right off the bat, a little bit of
Speaker 1: you know, either plateauing or slippage in year three after
Speaker 1: he lost Javonte Williams, Michael Carter, Jammy Brown, Das Newsom.
Speaker 1: Tell me, Dave, do you prefer straight up Desmond Raider
Speaker 1: or Sam Howell.
Speaker 3: I will say Desmond Ritter over Sam Howe. I do
Speaker 3: think they're a better team. And something I didn't mention
Speaker 3: earlier was just how bad that division is You're looking at.
Speaker 3: You know, Tampa Bay could be one of the worst
Speaker 3: teams in the league. You have Carolina they were you know,
Speaker 3: they were up there as one of the worst teams
Speaker 3: in league last year.
Speaker 2: And then you have the Saints.
Speaker 3: We'll see what they look like with Derek Carr, but
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go with Desim Rider and I love the
Speaker 3: Bijon Robinson addition, take a whole lot of pressure off
Speaker 3: of him with having a good running game. That was
Speaker 3: a good running game last year because that offensive line
Speaker 3: is really good and they turned Tyler al Jear and
Speaker 3: other running backs into into stars.
Speaker 2: And you have you know, Corrido. Ra Pattinson is there
Speaker 2: as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, play action could be really effective with that offense.
Speaker 1: And man, I have Howll ranked one spot ahead of Ritter,
Speaker 1: but I'm like really torn on that. As I mentioned,
Speaker 1: I mean, I thought, how of the best prospect profile
Speaker 1: in that class, but you know, Draft Capital didn't really
Speaker 1: agree with hol being I think the first pick of
Speaker 1: the fifth round and Ritter going in the third. So yeah,
Speaker 1: it's going to be really fascinating to see how those
Speaker 1: two guys do this year. Are there any rookie quarterbacks
Speaker 1: you think could like pop right away and you have
Speaker 1: a rookie breakouts Dave.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the only one is Anthony Richardson.
Speaker 3: I know it's kind of low hanging fruit, but Marcus
Speaker 3: Grant said it tastes the same, you know, to work
Speaker 3: so hard for it, and so I just I think
Speaker 3: the other receipt, like the other situations like Bryce Young
Speaker 3: and CJ.
Speaker 2: Stroud, really tough situations.
Speaker 3: Will Levis is going to have to have something happen
Speaker 3: to Ryan Tannehill, So yeah, I think Andthrey richards is
Speaker 3: the only one that I think has the potential for
Speaker 3: Preak Cup this year.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So Today's show is all about twenty twenty three
Speaker 1: potential breakout players, so you're going to hear about some
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Speaker 1: and Bogman. All right, on to running backs, Dave, give
Speaker 1: me your first breakout candidate.
Speaker 3: It's Alexander Madison, and I know we've been waiting a
Speaker 3: long time. He's been like that premiere handcuff that everyone gets.
Speaker 3: If you've got Dalvincook, you always just had to go
Speaker 3: around and double up without center Madison. But when Dalvincook
Speaker 3: was out, they turned to Madison. This offseason he signed
Speaker 3: it a pretty good contract for running backs these days,
Speaker 3: and it's a two year deal, and it had all
Speaker 3: the writing on the wall that Dalvin Cook would be out.
Speaker 3: He had seventy seven percent of the carries when Dalvin
Speaker 3: Cook was out.
Speaker 2: He was his third round draft capital.
Speaker 3: When in the six games that Dalvin Cook was out,
Speaker 3: Alisonder Madison has stood in there as a solid fantasy
Speaker 3: option eighteen point one to three points per game in
Speaker 3: point five twenty points per game in PPR, and he's
Speaker 3: had four point five targets. That's a seventh His target
Speaker 3: share would rank seventh most running backs. So Alexander Madison
Speaker 3: and there are some haters out there that are keeping
Speaker 3: the price in check, which is great because I like Madison.
Speaker 3: Can I say one hundred percent confidence that he's going
Speaker 3: to get a Dalvin Cook.
Speaker 2: Type of workload? I don't know, but with the price
Speaker 2: it's at, I think he's a solid RB two with
Speaker 2: RB one upside.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's really unknowable how the Vikings are going to
Speaker 1: operate that backfield with Dalvin Cook gone, whether mad and
Speaker 1: it's going to be, you know, a workhorse sort of
Speaker 1: the head of a committee or just if it's gonna
Speaker 1: be like a full blown committee where you know it
Speaker 1: kills the value of everyone. But here's some pressure, Dave.
Speaker 1: If if you had to make a pick here, who
Speaker 1: would you bet out of the guys behind him? Ty Chandler, Rookie,
Speaker 1: Dwayne McBride, Kenna wang Wu. Who do you think is
Speaker 1: going to be the number two in terms of fantasy
Speaker 1: value this year?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: I was going through this and I would probably just
Speaker 3: take the cheapest guy in ad B if I were
Speaker 3: to get them on my team, because it is difficult.
Speaker 2: Ty Chandler has some speed, but I'll go long.
Speaker 3: I like the size as well as the quickness, his
Speaker 3: ability to catch out of the backfield.
Speaker 2: I'm Dwayne McBride.
Speaker 3: I like him, but I was really disappointed in the
Speaker 3: draft capital he hasn't shown us that he can catch
Speaker 3: the ball.
Speaker 2: So even if he does get some playing time.
Speaker 3: Is he going to get valuable touches in the passing
Speaker 3: game or things like that, So I'll take I'll take him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, definite passing game limitations for McBride, but potentially goal
Speaker 1: line usage. You know, I like Chandler. I guess Chandler
Speaker 1: would be my pick just because I think he has
Speaker 1: a chance to be their designated passing down guy. But man,
Speaker 1: Wong Wu that guy gets the ball, he looks like
Speaker 1: he has been shot out of a cannon. Like he
Speaker 1: is fun to watch. You know. Maybe he's never anything
Speaker 1: but a kick returner primarily, but man, I'd love to
Speaker 1: see that guy get a chance to show his stuff
Speaker 1: in the backfield.
Speaker 3: His size is what stands out because you see how
Speaker 3: fast he is.
Speaker 2: You hear about how fast he is, and then you're.
Speaker 3: Like, wait a minute, this guy's six foot two, fifteen pounds,
Speaker 3: Like right, yeah, like he's a he's a big guy
Speaker 3: for how fast he is, and yeah, he is absolutely explosive.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so minus cam Akers and you know, this is
Speaker 1: a guy who I think could definitely jump up a
Speaker 1: tier or two. In twenty twenty three, he led the
Speaker 1: NFL in rushing over the final six weeks of the
Speaker 1: twenty twenty two regular season and ranked running back four
Speaker 1: and a half point PPR, scoring over that stretch more
Speaker 1: than one hundred rushing yards in each of his last
Speaker 1: three games. Acres doesn't have a lot of competition in
Speaker 1: the Rams backfield. I mean, I know some people see
Speaker 1: Zach Evans being this existential threat to Cam acres primacy
Speaker 1: in that backfield, but you know, Evans was a late
Speaker 1: sixth round pick, so they hit rate for late sixth
Speaker 1: rounders not great. And you've got Kyron Williams there. He's
Speaker 1: small and slow. I don't see him as being much
Speaker 1: of a threat. And if we see Rams head coach
Speaker 1: Sean McVay lean on Acres the way he used to
Speaker 1: lean on Todd Gurley, I mean we could really be
Speaker 1: cooking with gas here with Acres, who's now two years
Speaker 1: removed from that devastating achilles injury. He sustained his rookie year.
Speaker 1: So going in new his age twenty four season, still
Speaker 1: time for Acres to pop. I'm optimistic that this is
Speaker 1: going to be his breakout year. Who's next for.
Speaker 2: You, Dave, It's mister JK. Dobbins.
Speaker 3: And so throughout his career he's been a solid back,
Speaker 3: but health has definitely been you know, concern.
Speaker 2: Fourteen points per game when he gets ten plus touches.
Speaker 3: As far as true yards per carry, before the ACL,
Speaker 3: he was first breakaway breakaway percentage first, third and yards
Speaker 3: per touch, fifth in elusiveness seventh and fantasy points per touch.
Speaker 2: This is before the ACL.
Speaker 3: So after the ACL, how does he look second in
Speaker 3: elusiveness third and breakaway percentage fourth and true yards per carry,
Speaker 3: ninth in yards per touch.
Speaker 2: And we know that.
Speaker 3: When he came back, he saw the big run and
Speaker 3: he had a run out of bounds, had a little
Speaker 3: hitch in his giddy up.
Speaker 2: He looked a lot better through the last four.
Speaker 3: Games of the season and you saw he he was
Speaker 3: one of the best running backs in the league those
Speaker 3: last four weeks. That was really good as far as
Speaker 3: seeing him be healthy, and that's the most important things.
Speaker 3: He goes into this year healthy, and I think the
Speaker 3: offensive with Todd Monkin being there, it's going to be
Speaker 3: a more fast based offense, more attempts, more opportunities, and
Speaker 3: more goal line work for Dobbins.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like I haven't been ready to shove all the
Speaker 1: chips in on JK. Dobbins I think I might have
Speaker 1: him on like one of my dynasty leagues. But man,
Speaker 1: you said it when he came back initially, and I
Speaker 1: don't think it was in week one. I don't think
Speaker 1: he was ready till week too or week three last year.
Speaker 1: But yeah, he was still kind of limping and it's like, oh, no,
Speaker 1: is this guy ruined forever? But then he went in
Speaker 1: and had that cleanup surgery. And when he came back
Speaker 1: from that after missing like six weeks, I mean, it
Speaker 1: looked like the old JK. Dobbins that we saw and
Speaker 1: were so impressed by at Ohio State. So hopefully he
Speaker 1: is back to being that guy. And yeah, Lamar's back
Speaker 1: could be wheels up for JK. Dobbins in twenty twenty three.
Speaker 1: So I'll stay in the AFC North and go with
Speaker 1: a guy who's a little further under the radar, Jerome Ford.
Speaker 1: And so with the Ravens or excuse me, Browns seemingly
Speaker 1: disinterested in bringing back the unsigned Kareem hunt Ford is
Speaker 1: expected to be Nick Chubb's primary backup. Not a lot
Speaker 1: of competition for him there, and we know Chubb has
Speaker 1: had some significant knee injury knee injuries in the past
Speaker 1: Ford ran for thirteen hundred yards and twenty touchdowns in
Speaker 1: his final year at the University of Cincinnati. Though he
Speaker 1: doesn't have quite the power Nick Chubb has, Ford's a
Speaker 1: pretty powerful dude. It's like two hundred and ten pounds
Speaker 1: and he will absolutely run through arm tackles. He's got
Speaker 1: a physical style. This is a potentially valuable asset, and
Speaker 1: he is very cheap in dynasty formats right now? All right, Dave,
Speaker 1: who's next for you?
Speaker 2: Actually that's I'm going to the receivers.
Speaker 1: Oh is it where we were we going to talk
Speaker 1: about Rashad White at all?
Speaker 3: Or im my mistake. I wasn't gonna talk about Rashad White.
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, let's do that because he's kind of one
Speaker 1: of my guys too. I mean I loved his skill
Speaker 1: set last year.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: No, my apologies yet, Rashad White is you know, you
Speaker 3: talk about not having any competition in the backfield, There's
Speaker 3: nobody I'm gonna get Chase Edmonds, Keyshawn Vaughan and Sean Tucker.
Speaker 3: As much as I was excited about Sean Tucker the
Speaker 3: draft capital he didn't get drafted at all. And Rashad White,
Speaker 3: he is another guy that profiles as a pass catcher
Speaker 3: and so you're looking at somebody that could have a
Speaker 3: three down skill set. They really turned to him after
Speaker 3: the bye week last week and gave him the keys,
Speaker 3: and you know, you know, the offensive line had some
Speaker 3: shuffling around that needed to be done last year. I
Speaker 3: think they lean a little bit on Rashad White with
Speaker 3: the quarterback situation, and he's someone that could really get
Speaker 3: a large, large share of the workload here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just the fact that he was able to have
Speaker 1: such a big role last year in that offense when
Speaker 1: Tom Brady was running it, because it was pretty important
Speaker 1: with Tom Brady at quarterback, completely immobile at age you know,
Speaker 1: fifty eight or whatever he was last year, that they
Speaker 1: had a guy who could protect him and be a
Speaker 1: viable dump off target because you know, Brady did not
Speaker 1: like holding under the ball and he would dump it
Speaker 1: off in a heartbeat if he was under duress. So,
Speaker 1: you know, even though Leonard fourd atted more targets and
Speaker 1: more catches, White was a pretty prolific pass catcher in
Speaker 1: year one, and like that's just a skill that's going
Speaker 1: to age well in dynasty. So he's going to be
Speaker 1: valuable for a long time, even if he does have competition,
Speaker 1: Even if the Buccaneers were to be the you know,
Speaker 1: surprise signers of Dalvin Cook, or if they brought in
Speaker 1: Zeke Elliott or re signed Fournettes, like, I still think
Speaker 1: White would be a pretty, you know, pretty viable fantasy
Speaker 1: back this year and long term. He's just going to
Speaker 1: hold his value because of that shearer skill set. You know,
Speaker 1: since we did talk about potential breakouts for rookie quarterbacks,
Speaker 1: I'll ask you the same thing about the running backs, Stave,
Speaker 1: and we'll skip past Bijon Robinson and Jamior Gibbs, you know,
Speaker 1: top twelve picks. I think everyone expects big things from
Speaker 1: them in year one. Any of the rookies you think
Speaker 1: could maybe surprise us? I know, like none of these
Speaker 1: guys are walking right into workhorse roles besides Bijon, and
Speaker 1: you know Gibbs will have a pretty substantial role too.
Speaker 1: But is there anyone you really like and think could
Speaker 1: be an under the radar gem in this rookie class.
Speaker 3: It is tough because all of them, you know, they
Speaker 3: appear to be buried on the depth chart, and a
Speaker 3: lot of them behind some really good backs.
Speaker 2: So Kendre Miller is interesting.
Speaker 3: With the Alvin Kamara suspension possible, we would think Jamal
Speaker 3: Williams would probably step in, but Kendrey Miller could get
Speaker 3: some work. But Rashawn Johnson, I think it could be
Speaker 3: an open competition there. You look at Leil Herbert is
Speaker 3: the he's currently the back, and then you have Deonta Foreman,
Speaker 3: who they brought over on a one year deal. Herbert
Speaker 3: would be a free agent in two seasons, but they
Speaker 3: used fourth round draft capital on Rashawn Johnson and I
Speaker 3: think that does speak volumes on how they think about him.
Speaker 3: I was at the combine and there was a lot
Speaker 3: of talk about teams viewing him as a number one,
Speaker 3: and he does have even though he's huge, he's you know,
Speaker 3: he's six foot two tour and twenty five to thirty pounds,
Speaker 3: he still has a pass catching skill set.
Speaker 2: I'll never forget to play.
Speaker 3: Texas actually put Bijon Robinson on one sideline and put
Speaker 3: Roshan Johnson on the other sideline, and it was just
Speaker 3: flexing the talent they had at the running back position.
Speaker 3: So I'll give Rashawn Johnson my potential sleeper Rooky breakout.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he you know, Bijeon's backup, but he was very
Speaker 1: well regarded in Austin, and you know he's going to
Speaker 1: work his way into the mix. I think in Chicago
Speaker 1: right away. Yeah, my guys, Devon Hchane. I think listeners
Speaker 1: of this show know how I feel about Achane. Like, yes,
Speaker 1: he's small, and I know a lot of people turn
Speaker 1: their noses up at sub two hundred pound running backs,
Speaker 1: but man, I think he can be the next wark
Speaker 1: done like this. Dude's obviously blazing speed four point three
Speaker 1: to two at the combine, but remarkable contact balance for
Speaker 1: a smaller guy. Andy average twenty three point two touches
Speaker 1: a game for Texas A and M last year. So
Speaker 1: I'm really kind of crossing my fingers that the Dolphins
Speaker 1: do not sign Dalvin Cook. But even if they do,
Speaker 1: I'm high on Chane and Dynasty. I think he's got
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Speaker 1: receiver position, Dave. I don't know about you, but you
Speaker 1: know I always like to build through the wide receiver
Speaker 1: position in Dynasty. Who's your first breakout candidate for twenty
Speaker 1: twenty three?
Speaker 3: Yeah, and this guy's probably been on everybody's breakout list
Speaker 3: for three years.
Speaker 2: But it's Cherry Judy and in Sean Payton. I trust.
Speaker 3: Sean Payton has had one thousand yard receivers. Lance Moore
Speaker 3: was a thousand yard receiver. Brandon Cooks did it twice,
Speaker 3: Michael Thomas four times, Jimmy Graham twice. You have Marcus
Speaker 3: Colston six times, this guy turned Devery Henderson into a
Speaker 3: fantasy football star. Sean Payton knows what he's doing. He's
Speaker 3: building the offensive line, so he has the foundation for
Speaker 3: his house. And this guy and eleven out of his
Speaker 3: fifteen seasons had a top five offense. His guy's also
Speaker 3: had a top one offense.
Speaker 2: And this is a.
Speaker 3: Team that every single thing that you could have gone
Speaker 3: bad last year did And so Jerry Judy last year,
Speaker 3: at the end of the season really started to develop
Speaker 3: some chemistry with Ross was additioned by subtraction with Hackett
Speaker 3: being out of there. He was fifteen point five points
Speaker 3: per game at the end of the season last year,
Speaker 3: which is pretty good. And if he can keep that up,
Speaker 3: I think he's going to be the number one in
Speaker 3: that offense. And you know, as far as you know,
Speaker 3: as far as Jerry Judy, we know he's got the
Speaker 3: first run draft cap, but we know he's got the talent.
Speaker 2: That's never been the question.
Speaker 3: It's just always been really back quarterback play, Drew locks
Speaker 3: ray in the ball everywhere or QB injuries.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we didn't get quite the full Jerry Judy breakout
Speaker 1: last year, but we got a little taste of it.
Speaker 1: For sure, the ordure, the amuse bouche, and I hope
Speaker 1: we get the you know, the main entre this year
Speaker 1: because he is exciting and like he's got two ways
Speaker 1: to win. The guy's a really good route runner and
Speaker 1: he's terrific after the catch. So I'm enthusiastic about him.
Speaker 1: And like you said, man, the Sean Payton arrival, and
Speaker 1: thanks for the tripped on memory Lane by the way
Speaker 1: with Lance Moore and Debrie Henderson. That that was fun
Speaker 1: to you know, remember those guys for fantasy. My guy
Speaker 1: is Johan Dotson and in twelve games last year, seven
Speaker 1: touchdowns and five top twenty scoring weeks at the wide
Speaker 1: receiver position. I mean he's really fast for four speed
Speaker 1: and plays to it, good route runner, great after the catch,
Speaker 1: and tyreek hill for a smaller receiver, he is like
Speaker 1: punching above his weight in contested catch situations. He will
Speaker 1: go up and get it. Yes, Terry McLaurin is there too,
Speaker 1: and you know the unproven Sam Howlett quarterback. But while
Speaker 1: the ecosystem might not allow for a wide receiver one
Speaker 1: season this year, I do think he has like that
Speaker 1: in his range of outcomes. Maybe not this year, but
Speaker 1: twenty twenty four and beyond. I'm excited about Dobson's career trajectory,
Speaker 1: and I do think you know, there are going to
Speaker 1: be multiple wide receiver one seasons ahead of him, right
Speaker 1: Who's next for you, Dave?
Speaker 2: Mister Elijah Moore? And so Elijah Moore had a little
Speaker 2: bit of a mini breakout his rookie season. He had
Speaker 2: a six week span where he had six touchdowns in
Speaker 2: six weeks, four and fifty nine yards.
Speaker 3: Good receivers are able to do that. If you're not
Speaker 3: a good receiver, you're not going to be able to
Speaker 3: just miraculously do that in the NFL. And he gets
Speaker 3: gets QB upgrade and gets.
Speaker 2: A new town.
Speaker 3: He needed a new change of scenery. Last year, they
Speaker 3: asked him, hey, what about your chemistry with Zach Wilson.
Speaker 2: He was like, I don't get the ball, So like,
Speaker 2: what do you mean to do?
Speaker 3: I know this guy struggles a little bit with the
Speaker 3: run blocking, and part of that caused some tension with
Speaker 3: coaching staff. But the Cleveland Browns, they invested a high pick.
Speaker 3: They could have drafted a lot of these rookie receivers
Speaker 3: in the middle, Like I think it was picked forty
Speaker 3: two in the middle of the second round and they decided,
Speaker 3: I want Elijah Moore instead, and so that tells me
Speaker 3: there's confidence in him. He goes in and immediately starts
Speaker 3: at their slot receiver position. And I'm excited for Elijah
Speaker 3: Moore this year, and I just can't believe that he's
Speaker 3: his price tag. People are still sour on him, and
Speaker 3: so he's super cheap.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that little taste we got from him
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty one, which he was basically doing with
Speaker 1: what Mike White mostly is his quarterback at the time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: might have been some other quarterbacks in the mix during
Speaker 1: that great stretch for him, I can't remember. But man,
Speaker 1: if we get something close to the version of Deshaun
Speaker 1: Watson that we saw when he was in Houston this year,
Speaker 1: I mean there is a high ceiling for Elijah More
Speaker 1: And he's pretty cheap in Dynasty right now, Dave like
Speaker 1: cheaper than he should be, without question. Right, I'm going
Speaker 1: to go to Traylon Burks. And yes, my enthusiasm would
Speaker 1: be somewhat diminished if the Titans do sign DeAndre Hopkins
Speaker 1: as has been rumored. But look, even if they signed
Speaker 1: DeAndre Hopkins, I mean it's still only like an average
Speaker 1: still maybe a below average wide receiver room. I mean,
Speaker 1: they just don't have much at all on the roster.
Speaker 1: It's like right now, it's Traylon Burks, it's Kyle Phillips,
Speaker 1: it's Nick Westbrook, a Kine. It is sparse. So you know,
Speaker 1: like Burks, we didn't get to see much of him
Speaker 1: last year as a rookie. Eleven regular seas and games
Speaker 1: and three hundred and ninety three snaps had some interesting flashes,
Speaker 1: but the sample size was really just too small for
Speaker 1: us to draw any firm conclusions here. But we do
Speaker 1: know that Burks was a big time producer at the
Speaker 1: University of Arkansas when he was there. That he is
Speaker 1: six two and two hundred and twenty four pounds, So
Speaker 1: this guy has, you know, a real man's body here,
Speaker 1: and he is hard to tackle when he's got the
Speaker 1: ball in his hands. So we also know the Titans
Speaker 1: spent mid first round draft capital on him, so he's
Speaker 1: going to get every opportunity to succeed. How do you
Speaker 1: feel about Burke's Dave Like he's another guy. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I feel like some people are still a little bit
Speaker 1: lukewarm on him. Other people are just you know, they're
Speaker 1: they're doing depth charts scouting and seeing that there's not
Speaker 1: much else there, and that's why they're high on him.
Speaker 1: That's really not the sole reason I'm high on him.
Speaker 1: I mean, I like the fact that he is a
Speaker 1: clear path to targets. But I don't know, how do
Speaker 1: you feel about the player generally?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I like the player.
Speaker 3: I think he's you know, he let all the entire
Speaker 3: class in the yards after catch coming in and that's
Speaker 3: really his specialty. And you know, he just didn't really
Speaker 3: have he didn't have an ideal rookie season. You know,
Speaker 3: we had the asthma and things that really hampered his
Speaker 3: development in the early season, and then he had that
Speaker 3: injury and so it really threw him off. But I
Speaker 3: mean he's the number one on his team, and so
Speaker 3: again it comes out to the price. My only concern
Speaker 3: with him is that a lot of people are on him.
Speaker 3: And so I did a Dynasty price check. If you
Speaker 3: look up Dynasty price check Trailing Burks on Twitter, you're
Speaker 3: gonna see it. And I was like, Wow, you can
Speaker 3: get Jerry Judy plus, you can get Calvin Ridley plus
Speaker 3: for trailing Burks. He's he is an expensive player, and
Speaker 3: that would be my only concern. But I do like
Speaker 3: the player, and if you have him on your roster,
Speaker 3: I'm not selling him for cheap because I do think
Speaker 3: especially when they get more around this team, and he's
Speaker 3: already the number one on the team, great draft capital.
Speaker 3: They've already invested highly in him, and Sky's up for him.
Speaker 1: All right, Dave, your last pick at wide receiver for.
Speaker 3: Breaking Yeah, and I apologize if this one was too easy,
Speaker 3: but you know, Garrett Wilson was not a top twelve receiver.
Speaker 3: He did hit the thousand yard mark, but he did
Speaker 3: all of this with.
Speaker 2: Just a random quarter.
Speaker 3: You had Joe Flacco, you had Zach Wilson, you had
Speaker 3: Mike White. You also had another guy. I'm forgetting his
Speaker 3: name right now. This guy led his class in Fantasy
Speaker 3: points per game success versus man versus press, and PFF
Speaker 3: graded him as the best receiver in his class, and
Speaker 3: I think all of us would do the same. This
Speaker 3: guy runs like a gazelle. He's just always open and
Speaker 3: as far as you know is in college it was
Speaker 3: the same thing, and his route running premise and his
Speaker 3: instincts just really translated to the NFL, and you get
Speaker 3: someone like Aaron Rodgers to come over there, and Aaron
Speaker 3: Rodgers is, yeah, he gives the rookies a hard time.
Speaker 2: I get it.
Speaker 3: Garrett Wilson is not a rookie. He does not play
Speaker 3: like a rooster. Aaron Rodgers is not a dummy. He's
Speaker 3: gonna throw to the guy that's open, and Garrett Wilson's
Speaker 3: always open.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that other quarterback who Garrett Wilson was catching passes from,
Speaker 1: in addition to Zach Wilson and Mike White, the elite
Speaker 1: Joe Flacco, Dave almost forgot about him. So yeah, like
Speaker 1: I'm excited about him. And boy, it's really exciting to
Speaker 1: think about the possibility of Garrett Wilson getting DeVante Adams
Speaker 1: type targeting from Aaron Rodgers. And you know, yes, Aaron
Speaker 1: Rodgers might not be the same quarterback he was five
Speaker 1: ten years ago, but he's still pretty good. I mean, like,
Speaker 1: as a Green Bay Packers fan myself, I still feel
Speaker 1: pretty confident about you know, Rogers' ability to throw into
Speaker 1: tight windows to you know, make throws that most other
Speaker 1: quarterbacks still can't make. Like the passing talents are still
Speaker 1: just off the charts. So you know, and not a
Speaker 1: lot here otherwise. I mean it's like Alan Lazard, Mikole Hardman,
Speaker 1: Corey Davis for the time being. So yeah, it's a
Speaker 1: possible path through one hundred and forty ish targets for
Speaker 1: Garrett Wilson this year. That's really exciting. All right, I've
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Speaker 1: know some people are going to be rolling their eyes
Speaker 1: if they've invested in Kadarius Tony the last two years,
Speaker 1: because he has dealt with a litany of injuries, just
Speaker 1: one body part after another. Pretty much every entire part
Speaker 1: in his body has been hurt at one point or another,
Speaker 1: and he even got COVID twice in the same season.
Speaker 1: But yes, this dude does have blazing speed and incredible
Speaker 1: change of actionability. He's just an extraordinary athlete and it's
Speaker 1: visible to the naked eye when he is playing football.
Speaker 1: So now he is going to be entering the season
Speaker 1: healthy hopefully, And you know, if he can play something
Speaker 1: close to a full season in an offense with Patrick
Speaker 1: Mahomes at quarterback and Andy Reid designing the plays, we
Speaker 1: could get something close to one hundred catch ten touchdown
Speaker 1: season out of him and I this guy has drawn
Speaker 1: targets at such a freakishly high rate. He has drawn
Speaker 1: a target on seventeen point three percent of the snaps
Speaker 1: he's played in the NFL, seventy seven targets on four
Speaker 1: hundred and forty five regular season snaps. Kind of a
Speaker 1: small sample size, but not that small. And just to
Speaker 1: put that seventeen point three percent figure into perspective, justin Jefferson,
Speaker 1: who led the NFL in targets last year. He drew
Speaker 1: a target on seventeen point one percent of his snaps
Speaker 1: last year. So Tony is on the field. Tony is
Speaker 1: getting the ball. Here's hoping he can stay on the
Speaker 1: field more often this year and again in Dynasty. He's
Speaker 1: cheap because of all the injuries. I highly recommend that
Speaker 1: people try to get their hands on this guy, all right, Dave,
Speaker 1: the rookie breakout question again. It's an interesting rookie class.
Speaker 1: A lot of intriguing guys here, but no one like
Speaker 1: assured of being in a situation where they're going to
Speaker 1: be able to pop right away as rookies. Who do
Speaker 1: you think could I.
Speaker 2: Would say most likely would be Jordan Addison. You know
Speaker 2: you have.
Speaker 3: You do have kJ Osborne there, but Adam feeling out
Speaker 3: Jordan Addison there, and I just I really like route
Speaker 3: runners and how they translate to the league, and you're
Speaker 3: looking at guys that can move around. You know, he's
Speaker 3: played in the slot, he's played outside in different offenses
Speaker 3: at Pittsburgh and at USC and he's got Kirk Cousins
Speaker 3: who par parentally is a a five thousand yard passer.
Speaker 3: I'm usually thirty touchdowns, and so that production has got
Speaker 3: to go somewhere. Justin Jefferson is going to get a
Speaker 3: large portion, but he's not going to get all of it.
Speaker 2: And so you have TJ.
Speaker 3: Hockinson, You're gonna have Justin Jefferson, and then who's next.
Speaker 3: And so if Jordan Addison can be that next guy,
Speaker 3: and I think he could, you know, possibly sneak into
Speaker 3: the wide receiver two territory, you know, as far as
Speaker 3: a you know why rezerver one. I don't see it
Speaker 3: in this class, but I do think you're going to
Speaker 3: see solid wide receiver too production from Jordan Addison as
Speaker 3: soon as this year.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I do think Addison is probably the best bet
Speaker 1: to pop right away in this rookie class. Some other
Speaker 1: interesting guys, maybe Jackson Smith and Jig but could do it,
Speaker 1: Zay Flowers, Quentin Johnson, the other first rounders. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I do think Addison is probably best situated
Speaker 1: to pop right away. All right, let's turn to tight end, Dave,
Speaker 1: who do you got well?
Speaker 2: Jig? And so everyone's talking about Jig right now.
Speaker 3: And if you look at I know this is another
Speaker 3: small sample size kind of a guy, but if you
Speaker 3: do any research, you're looking at the advanced stats on PFF,
Speaker 3: you cannot ignore that this guy just keeps popping up.
Speaker 3: And so you look at targets per rap run leaders
Speaker 3: last year, this is all pass catchers, Tyreek Hill, Mama
Speaker 3: Saint Brown, Cooper Cup, Kyle Pitts, Chiga Konquo, like he
Speaker 3: is in that in that category yards per route run leaders,
Speaker 3: Tyrek Hill, aj Brown, Chig, Justin, Jefferson, Jalen Waddle. When
Speaker 3: you're putting yourself in these conversations, even though it's a
Speaker 3: small sample size, you have to take notice to this.
Speaker 3: And then you talked about the vacated targets and you
Speaker 3: talk about the possibility if you're looking for a top
Speaker 3: twelve tight end, really you have if you check the
Speaker 3: box of one hundred targets, you're in the club. Like
Speaker 3: it's almost a lock. You're going to be a top
Speaker 3: twelve tight end. Cole Comet was not that good last year,
Speaker 3: but he just happened to be the number two target
Speaker 3: on a team that didn't even pass the ball that much.
Speaker 3: It was top ten. So jag is he could easily
Speaker 3: be a top ten tight end this year and not
Speaker 3: even do too much. But you're looking at a guy
Speaker 3: that yards per route run it was the highest out
Speaker 3: of the tight ends period. And this guy's also a
Speaker 3: beast after the catch. So Jake could be a top
Speaker 3: ten tight end this year.
Speaker 1: He is a beast after the catch. Indeed, like he
Speaker 1: is one of the rare tight ends who feels like
Speaker 1: really dangerous with the ball in his hands. I mean
Speaker 1: obviously Travis Kelcey, George Kittle, who's you know, one of
Speaker 1: the hardest guys to tackle the league. You know a
Speaker 1: handful of other guys maybe Dallas s godd or TJ.
Speaker 1: Howkins and not too many others. Chig with the ball
Speaker 1: in his hands is exciting, and we saw that last year.
Speaker 1: I can't wait. And you know, as we were talking
Speaker 1: about with Treylon Burks. Even if DeAndre Hopkins does end
Speaker 1: up in Tennessee, like you know, it's still not a
Speaker 1: super stacked group of pass catchers. I think Chig is
Speaker 1: still going to see plenty of targets. It's sort of
Speaker 1: in the same vein a guy who was a rookie
Speaker 1: last year. I like Jilannie Woods of the Colts. Just
Speaker 1: this sweeping wingspan for the six foot seven Jalani Woods,
Speaker 1: and can really move for a big man too, Like
Speaker 1: he's fast factoring in his weight. His four point six
Speaker 1: to one time in the forty at last year's NFL
Speaker 1: scouting combine gave him an eighty eighth percentile speed score
Speaker 1: according to our friends at playerprofiler dot com, and as
Speaker 1: noted by my colleague Andrew Ericksson, Woods was second among
Speaker 1: tight ends in yards per route run over the final
Speaker 1: six games of the twenty twenty two season. Is rookie
Speaker 1: usage was kind of sporadic, granted, but Woods did see
Speaker 1: at least four targets in five of his last six games,
Speaker 1: and he had an eight catch ninety eight yard performance
Speaker 1: against the Steelers in Week twelve. I'm really excited about
Speaker 1: him as potentially like the Colts tight end. We've seen
Speaker 1: them cycle through like this goulash of tight ends the
Speaker 1: last few years with Moiley Cox and Kylon Grantson and
Speaker 1: some of these other guys. I'd love to see Julyantie
Speaker 1: just seese that job and run with it, all right, David,
Speaker 1: anyone else for you at the tight end position.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I'll skip straight to the rookie question. Dalton Kincaid.
Speaker 3: And so I'm looking through Mike Clay's projections and talking
Speaker 3: about them on my show, and what stood out to
Speaker 3: me was the Bill's depth chart.
Speaker 2: And I remember how they they lost in the playoffs.
Speaker 2: Part of it with that offensive line play, but they
Speaker 2: really struggled on the second half of the season with
Speaker 2: getting the ball to somebody else not named Stefan Dix,
Speaker 2: and the defenses just really took Digs away and it
Speaker 2: really slowed down the Buffalo Bills and they needed to
Speaker 2: address that. So they tried to trade up and get
Speaker 2: ahead of this wide receiver run in this draft class.
Speaker 2: They were unable to do. So.
Speaker 3: The Tennessee Titans tried to trade into the first round
Speaker 3: so maybe they could get Will Levis. Bills are right, No,
Speaker 3: we have to go get we have to get a weapon,
Speaker 3: and they got Dalton kin Kaid. And so you look
Speaker 3: at this depth chart, you have Gabriel Davis is the
Speaker 3: wide receiver too. Leil Shakir is the wide receiver three
Speaker 3: currently and so there is a world where Dalton Kinkaid
Speaker 3: operates that in that role as the slot and could
Speaker 3: end up being the second in targets on this team
Speaker 3: from Josh Allen. And this is a guy. When you
Speaker 3: talk about tight ends, you're looking for air yards. So
Speaker 3: you talk about elite tight ends, like, yes, one hundred
Speaker 3: targets is going to get you in the top twelve club,
Speaker 3: but if you want to have elite production, you're looking
Speaker 3: for guys that can get a thousand air yards. And
Speaker 3: if you look at any highlights from Dalton Kinkaid, he's
Speaker 3: making athletic acrobatic catches on the middle and second and
Speaker 3: third tier of defense is thirty yards down the field.
Speaker 2: This guy is a slot receiver in a tight end running.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Kinkaid is you know, by far the most exciting
Speaker 1: of a really exciting tight end class. I mean we
Speaker 1: could see other guys. We could see Sam Laporta be
Speaker 1: involved right away for the Lions. We could see Michael
Speaker 1: Mayer carve out a big role for himself right away
Speaker 1: with the Raiders. You know, the Packers have two rookies
Speaker 1: with Tucker Craft and Luke Musgrave, Like, this is an
Speaker 1: exciting class. And boyd next year with Brock Bauers coming in,
Speaker 1: who's maybe even a better prospect than Kyle Pitts. Was like,
Speaker 1: maybe there's some hope for this perennially disappointing position. And
Speaker 1: you know, we always talk ourselves into thinking tight end
Speaker 1: is a deep position, Dave, But like then, you know,
Speaker 1: guys flop. But there are some other young guys I'm
Speaker 1: kind of interested in as possible breakout candidates this year.
Speaker 1: Isaiah Likely. I mean it would probably take Mark Andrews
Speaker 1: missing some time for Likely to really pop, But man,
Speaker 1: like the little taste we got from him last year
Speaker 1: was pretty interesting. I'm a University of Wisconsin homer. But
Speaker 1: Jake Ferguson, Like, I know, the Cowboys drafted Luke's Schoonmaker
Speaker 1: on Day two, but Schoonmaker is I think he's going
Speaker 1: to be a blocking tight end. And you know, Ferguson
Speaker 1: is a pretty good pass catcher. We saw a little
Speaker 1: of that last year. Wouldn't surprise me if he became
Speaker 1: like their primary pass catching tight end had a surprising season.
Speaker 1: So and that is going to do it. For this
Speaker 1: week's episode of the Fantasy Pros Dynasty Football Podcast, I
Speaker 1: want to thank Dave Holman for being my co pilot
Speaker 1: this week and playing the Kareem abdul Jabbar to my
Speaker 1: Peter Graves. Sorry if some of you younger people don't
Speaker 1: get that reference. If not, go watch Airplane, classic comedy movie. So, Dave,
Speaker 1: before we get out of here, can you tell people
Speaker 1: where they can find you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, at Dynasty Dorks on all my social media.
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Speaker 3: Have an article that just dropped today, one Dynasty Value
Speaker 3: per AFC team. I'll be doing the NFC. I'll write
Speaker 3: that up tonight. So thanks again for the opportunity.
Speaker 1: Yeah, of course, Dave, and I'm Pathosmorris. You can find
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