Speaker 1: Welcome back to everybody. It's a Dynasty Fantasy football podcast
Speaker 1: on Fantasy Pros. I'm your host. Scott Bogman followed me
Speaker 1: on the Twitter app Bogman Sports. I'mjoining it as always
Speaker 1: by Pat Fitzmorris at fits Underscore ff on the Twitter Machine.
Speaker 1: Apologies for not being here last week. I was jet
Speaker 1: lagged and very very tired coming back from Seattle in
Speaker 1: the All Star Game, FITZI did you miss me? Were
Speaker 1: you okay without me?
Speaker 2: I did miss you, Boggs. Dave Hollman did a great
Speaker 2: job of co hosting in your stead, but it is
Speaker 2: great to see you again. And did you enjoy yourself
Speaker 2: at the All Star Game? Did you get one of
Speaker 2: those Seattle dogs? I saw that it looked really good
Speaker 2: with the cream cheese and the fried onions. Like I'm
Speaker 2: a sucker for anything with cream cheese.
Speaker 1: So I must have passed eight million places that said
Speaker 1: the original Seattle Dog, the original home of the first
Speaker 1: Seattle Dog, original Seattle Dog Og, Seattle Dog. And I
Speaker 1: was like, my buddy has lived there for like a
Speaker 1: decade now, and I was like, what is Seattle Dog.
Speaker 1: He's like, it's just a hot dog with cream Cheine nuggets.
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, I don't need to try it.
Speaker 1: What I did try was Mason's lobster rolls. My buddies
Speaker 1: Zavi are Trish, who I do a college football show.
Speaker 1: His grandparents lived up there, so he suggested I try that.
Speaker 1: That was great. It was kind of small though, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm not a small dude. So and what was funny
Speaker 1: was it was kind of dead in there, and like
Speaker 1: four Astros fans were in there, and I don't know
Speaker 1: if you watched a lot of the weekend, but every
Speaker 1: time the Astros came in, boooooo boo. It was a
Speaker 1: lot of that. And the other thing that I tried,
Speaker 1: a local thing, was a pizza from this place I
Speaker 1: believe was called Mods and it had crab on top
Speaker 1: of it, and so crab pizza, you know, was a
Speaker 1: little bit bigger than a personal pan from Pizza Hut.
Speaker 1: And it was thirty dollars in the ballpark, of course,
Speaker 1: but I mean, dude, the jerseys were four fifty and
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, it looks like I'm gonna buy
Speaker 1: a hoodie here. I was like, gonna buy stuff for
Speaker 1: all my friends and everything. I'm like, first of all
Speaker 1: the line is an hour and everything is way too expensive,
Speaker 1: so you guys get pictures, so you know, so that's
Speaker 1: what I did. But yeah, I had a great time.
Speaker 1: Thanks for hosting, Thanks for Dave, Thanks to Day for
Speaker 1: filling in a great show that you guys had last week.
Speaker 1: And look, this one's gonna be a fun one because
Speaker 1: it's hot, takes time, and I try to not be
Speaker 1: too hot takey for the most part because I like
Speaker 1: the gray area. That's what I talk about, you know,
Speaker 1: age where a lot of things here seem to be
Speaker 1: black and white. You're on this side, you're on that side,
Speaker 1: and there's no middle ground. I try to hover in
Speaker 1: the middle ground. I try to look for realistic range
Speaker 1: of realistic expectations. There's like realistic expectations, there's reasonable outcomes,
Speaker 1: and then there's hot takes. So but this is a
Speaker 1: show where we are gonna do hot takes, and I
Speaker 1: read some of yours fits and we're gonna fight about
Speaker 1: some of these. So this is gonna be a very
Speaker 1: very fun one. Are you was it hard for you
Speaker 1: to make to get your list together and do hot takes?
Speaker 1: Because I found this a little more difficult because I
Speaker 1: feel like I'm, you know, kind of gray on most
Speaker 1: of these players. I do have takes that I like,
Speaker 1: but I think my hot takes are more about overall
Speaker 1: strategy than they are about specific players. So did you
Speaker 1: find this difficult or was this kind of easy for
Speaker 1: you to get this list together?
Speaker 2: Yeah, years are more about strategy. Mine are more about players,
Speaker 2: and I think mine are not necessarily things that I
Speaker 2: am one hundred percent convinced are going to happen. And
Speaker 2: like you said, Boggs, I think both of us we
Speaker 2: do have our strong opinions on certain players, but we
Speaker 2: generally try to be pretty measured. I mean, I guess
Speaker 2: I'm looking for possible outcomes where I could see a
Speaker 2: plausible way to this unexpected result happening. But Mo's I
Speaker 2: do feel kind of guilty dropping this episode. Now we're
Speaker 2: getting record temperatures all over the country, and now we're
Speaker 2: dropping these high takes that are going to melt people's
Speaker 2: faces off.
Speaker 1: That's right, that's right. I saw my buddies in Arizona
Speaker 1: just pass the most days in a row in recorded
Speaker 1: history of over one hundred and ten degrees. It's like
Speaker 1: twenty four days or something. Now that's running at and
Speaker 1: they broke the record at nineteen, by the way, and
Speaker 1: it's just nuts and here, Luckily you know I'm I'm
Speaker 1: an indoorsy person, not an outdoorsy person. But it's always
Speaker 1: like our feels like temperature is always like one fifteen
Speaker 1: one fourteen, because it's been like one hundred and one,
Speaker 1: one hundred and two, one hundred and three with fifty
Speaker 1: percent humidity here. So yeah, it's it's the hot time
Speaker 1: of year and we are ready to rock some of
Speaker 1: these hot takes here before we dive in and get
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Speaker 1: in to the hot takes. My first hot take, and
Speaker 1: I know you and I are going to find about this.
Speaker 1: I feel like wide receiver is deep. Maybe your opinion
Speaker 1: difference is different in dynasty, but I know in redraft
Speaker 1: you are a wide receiver thins out very quickly. You
Speaker 1: want to make sure you have your guys. And I
Speaker 1: will say that why wide receivers these days. I was
Speaker 1: talking about this with Joe on the AMP Show yesterday.
Speaker 1: It's an arms race at wide receiver. It's kind of
Speaker 1: like power in baseball. In a league where anyone can
Speaker 1: hit twenty five homers, you have to sustain power. You
Speaker 1: have you can't draft those one homer guys, and at
Speaker 1: wide receiver you can't wait too long to get them.
Speaker 1: But I do feel like there's a lot of talent
Speaker 1: at the wide receiver position. Plus this next draft class
Speaker 1: is going to have a decent amount of wide receivers
Speaker 1: as well, just like this one did. So I think
Speaker 1: if there's a position I'm waiting on, for the most part,
Speaker 1: you can't wait too long. I'm not going to wait
Speaker 1: till the six or seventh team my first white out,
Speaker 1: I am going to take him in the first four rounds.
Speaker 1: But I feel like your second third wide receiver maybe
Speaker 1: they can wait a little bit. So I feel like
Speaker 1: wide receiver is deep, specifically in dynasty. I know for
Speaker 1: redraft you don't like the depth of wide receiver. What
Speaker 1: about for dynasty do you differ there?
Speaker 2: So for done, I mean it is deeper. I think
Speaker 2: Bogs in that there are guys who have a plausible
Speaker 2: upside for the future or whatever, but you know you
Speaker 2: you're a play for now guy, Bogs, And in a
Speaker 2: managed league, and look, in most dynasty leagues, you have
Speaker 2: to start at least three wide receivers and con flex
Speaker 2: additional receivers. If you want. Man, it is hard to
Speaker 2: come up with three good ones. You know what. I like,
Speaker 2: three guys you can.
Speaker 1: Roll and performers. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So if we're talking about, you know, playing for the
Speaker 2: here and now as at least sixty seventy percent of
Speaker 2: all dynas teams, dynasty teams are going to be doing
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty three. Yeah, man, I don't think it's
Speaker 2: Steve Bogs. We are going to argue about this.
Speaker 1: There's the second tier, right, And that's really what I
Speaker 1: like is because you get I feel like you have
Speaker 1: plausible wide receiver ones down to like wide receiver eighteen nineteen,
Speaker 1: you know where I have them ranked. Anyway, I'm talking
Speaker 1: like Drake London could end up being a wide receiver one.
Speaker 1: No one would flinch. Debo could be back to being
Speaker 1: very productive, which I know a lot of people don't think.
Speaker 1: But I mean, if Christian McCaffrey gets hurt, Pepo's right
Speaker 1: back to his expansive role, you know what I mean. So, like,
Speaker 1: I like the potential wide receiver ones, and I think,
Speaker 1: like there's almost twenty guys that could be a wide
Speaker 1: receiver one even this year. And then you move down
Speaker 1: there we have like Addison just won the biletnikof Award.
Speaker 1: JSN had some of the best college numbers, specifically in
Speaker 1: efficiency on PFF. Ever, right, so I think those guys
Speaker 1: could end up being number ones. I think if Marquise Brown,
Speaker 1: like if they do decide to pass the ball more
Speaker 1: in Arizona, which I don't think they will do, but
Speaker 1: he's a guy that could be a wide receiver one.
Speaker 1: We've seen him do it before. Pittman is good. Deontay
Speaker 1: needs to add touchdowns. Juju's you know, has done it
Speaker 1: in the past. And there's good rookies Dotson and old
Speaker 1: guys even Evans Alan Cooper are good old shots like
Speaker 1: the top Like your top three wide receivers, I feel like,
Speaker 1: even if you're taking all the way down to thirty six,
Speaker 1: I feel like should be pretty good. And maybe my
Speaker 1: hot take is more about that flex spot. I don't
Speaker 1: want a wide receiver there. I want a high volume
Speaker 1: running back. So that's why I want those running backs
Speaker 1: early because number one running back could hurt so much.
Speaker 1: So if I take two early and I get a
Speaker 1: flex running back, if one of my other rbs goes down,
Speaker 1: now I have that option to move in. So in general,
Speaker 1: I'm also not playing a wide receiver at that flex
Speaker 1: spot if I can avoid it because I have high
Speaker 1: volume rbs. So maybe that's more of my hot take
Speaker 1: in here as we're discussing it, FITZI, is that maybe
Speaker 1: my hot take is don't take a flex wide receiver,
Speaker 1: take a flex running back because it helps for your
Speaker 1: depth as well. Maybe that's more it. But I knew
Speaker 1: you had that thought process. So where where does on
Speaker 1: your list on your dynasty list? Where where do you like,
Speaker 1: Let's just say I have to have two wide receivers
Speaker 1: by this guy that I have ranked here? Where would
Speaker 1: that be for you? Would it be like I want
Speaker 1: to of my top ten guys or is it like
Speaker 1: I want a top ten guy and a top twenty guy.
Speaker 2: I would say that between like wide receiver ones and
Speaker 2: wide receiver two guys in the top twenty four, Okay,
Speaker 2: Like I I want to have three of those guys
Speaker 2: on my team. I want to have more than average.
Speaker 2: You know, the in an average twelve well a twelve
Speaker 2: team league, the average would beat have two of those guys.
Speaker 2: Like I want more than average. I want to do
Speaker 2: more than keep up with the Joneses. I want to
Speaker 2: get ahead of the Joneses at wide receiver, and I mean,
Speaker 2: like you kind of see this in redraft, and you know,
Speaker 2: once once we get into the season, it's like you're
Speaker 2: playing redraft, right or as far as it should be, yeah,
Speaker 2: as far as just putting a light up out there
Speaker 2: and try to win every week. And I had an
Speaker 2: FSGA draft to redraft draft this past week, Bogs and
Speaker 2: I went wide receiver heavy. I hit wide receivers with
Speaker 2: four of my first six picks and five of my
Speaker 2: first seven, I think. And one of the teams drafting
Speaker 2: adjacent to me came out firing a wide receiver with
Speaker 2: four straight to help in the draft, and I believe
Speaker 2: he had like five of his first seven. So wow,
Speaker 2: the two of us were taking a big bite out
Speaker 2: of that position. And this was a fourteen team draft,
Speaker 2: Like yeah, yeah. When we got into the double digit rounds,
Speaker 2: I was looking at who some people's wide receiver threes
Speaker 2: were and it was like some of like rookie well
Speaker 2: like one person at Kadarius Tony as their wide receiver three,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, they're actually ahead of the game in
Speaker 2: this league at least, you know, not out of me
Speaker 2: and the other guy who was hit wide receivers hard,
Speaker 2: but ahead of everyone else because there were guys like
Speaker 2: Odell back out and that's someone's wide receiver three. And yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean it was just pretty pretty scruffy there with
Speaker 2: some of these things. And like if you fall into
Speaker 2: the trap of thinking wide receivers deep, that can happen
Speaker 2: to you where you are struggling to put a credible
Speaker 2: third receiver on the field in your lineup every week.
Speaker 1: Well, my other point to this is that there are
Speaker 1: a bunch of wide receivers coming out every year. We
Speaker 1: saw this class was very deep, the class before was
Speaker 1: very deep, and twenty twenty four should be just as deep.
Speaker 1: So I feel like wide receivers more replaceable than running
Speaker 1: back as well. So I feel like, you know, in
Speaker 1: a startup, I'm trying to get those rbs and then
Speaker 1: I will fill in the wide receivers later in the
Speaker 1: draft because there's going to be more available. And that
Speaker 1: it starts from, you know, Pop Warner in literally your
Speaker 1: best athlete is quarterback first, and then it's wide receiver,
Speaker 1: and then it's defensive end. So that's where we're going
Speaker 1: with the athletes first. So you see more and more
Speaker 1: of these better athletes translating to the NFL at the
Speaker 1: wide receiver spot. So I just I feel like it's deep.
Speaker 1: You don't. We can move on to your first hot
Speaker 1: take here and get away from the wide receiver's deep
Speaker 1: because we're just not gonna agree.
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's go over to quarterback Bogs, and I think
Speaker 2: that Sam Darnold is going to play more games at
Speaker 2: quarterback for the forty nine ers this year than anyone
Speaker 2: else and will make himself a desirable fantasy asset for
Speaker 2: twenty twenty four and beyond with his performance this year.
Speaker 2: So here's my case, Bogs, as far as the playing
Speaker 2: the most games this year, like we we know. So,
Speaker 2: I'm high on Trey Lance and we've talked about this.
Speaker 2: I'm not going to bore people with more Trey Lance Tarre,
Speaker 2: but clearly Kyle Shanahan and I don't seem to feel
Speaker 2: the same way about Trey Lance. It does seem like
Speaker 2: they are very reluctant to make him the guy, and
Speaker 2: I feel like it's not gonna happen this year. A
Speaker 2: less Shanahead is backed into a quarner and as far
Speaker 2: Rock Purdy, if there was a way to monetarily short
Speaker 2: the stock of Rock Purty like I would do it
Speaker 2: in a heartbeat. I just I don't think he's very good.
Speaker 2: I think he feasted on bad defenses last year. And
Speaker 2: if they want to make him their starting quarterback this year,
Speaker 2: I think he's going to run into problems. So darnold,
Speaker 2: you know, we know he has the draft capital. But
Speaker 2: after five years, yes, there's been a lot of disappointed
Speaker 2: a lot of disappointment. But let's look at those five years.
Speaker 2: Bocks comes into the league and his offensive coordinator is
Speaker 2: Jeremy Bates, who has had two very undistinguished seasons in
Speaker 2: the NFL as an offensive coordinator, and.
Speaker 1: Gas was calling a lot of those plays too, right.
Speaker 2: Well, that was that was year two, year two, and
Speaker 2: year three was Adam Gaze. So the first year was uh,
Speaker 2: Todd Bowles was the Jets coach. So then it's then
Speaker 2: it's Adam Gates for two years and we know that
Speaker 2: was just a complete train wreck. Then he goes to
Speaker 2: Carolina and it's Matt Ruhle for two years, who you
Speaker 2: know did not have a very successful So now he
Speaker 2: gets Shanahan as his offensive mentor, and everyone respects Shanahan's
Speaker 2: offensive acumen. I think we can agree on that now.
Speaker 2: Bugs In twenty twenty one, you may recall Darnold came
Speaker 2: out of the shoot hot. He had three hundred yard
Speaker 2: games in three of his first four games, and through
Speaker 2: four games he was the QB five in Fantasy, averaging
Speaker 2: twenty four point four points a game. He had five
Speaker 2: TD passes five TD runs, and maybe he eventually, uh,
Speaker 2: you know, if he does get another crack at a
Speaker 2: starting gig, maybe he runs a little bit more aggressively,
Speaker 2: because we've seen him do it before. Last year, made
Speaker 2: six starts for the Panthers at the end of the season,
Speaker 2: and if you take away his really bad Week eighteen
Speaker 2: game against the Saints where he was five to fifteen
Speaker 2: for forty three yards, he was actually pretty good otherwise,
Speaker 2: like eight point eight yards per attempt, which is really impressive,
Speaker 2: and a passer rating of one oh five seven tds
Speaker 2: won interception. So he has had bouts where he looked
Speaker 2: like a real NFL quarterback.
Speaker 1: And Schefter also pointed out Fitzi that they signed him
Speaker 1: day one of the free agency.
Speaker 2: Yep, they got him early, bollocks and the supporting is
Speaker 2: that who.
Speaker 1: He wanted to go to that cast is so good.
Speaker 2: Supporting cast is good, and the you know, the coaching
Speaker 2: staff is good. So this is going to be by
Speaker 2: far the healthiest ecosystem Sam Donald has ever had, and
Speaker 2: I think he could rejuvenate his dynasty stock. Well.
Speaker 1: First of all, your hot take is way hotter than mine,
Speaker 1: So I like that. I like that Sam Donald getting
Speaker 1: the most starts for the Niners because you know, most
Speaker 1: people have him three on the list. But I mean, look,
Speaker 1: if you're in a superflex, just throw a dart on
Speaker 1: this guy late and see if it works out. If
Speaker 1: it doesn't, what's the problem you wasted a thirteenth or
Speaker 1: fourteenth round pick on Sam Donald because people are passing
Speaker 1: him up because he seems to be third on the
Speaker 1: depth chart. Maybe he climbs a little bit to like
Speaker 1: ten if we see some good the tenth, ninth, tenth round,
Speaker 1: if we see some good like training camp stuff from him,
Speaker 1: Party is still behind and Lance is looking rusty and
Speaker 1: all that stuff. Like, there are ways where his stock rises,
Speaker 1: but I don't think it's going to get very high.
Speaker 1: He's still going to be a pretty cheap QB. So
Speaker 1: I like this one. I'm not going to fight back
Speaker 1: with you too much. I could see the range of
Speaker 1: reasonable outcomes for this quarterback situation. Really, anybody, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm with you, Fitz. If I was the head coach
Speaker 1: in San Francisco, I would say, we gave up three
Speaker 1: first round picks for Trey Lance. Let's give him a
Speaker 1: real shot. You know, we tried to last year, got hurt,
Speaker 1: didn't work it, Purty looked fine. We gave him so
Speaker 1: much capital for this guy, Let's give him a shot.
Speaker 1: But you know, meritocracy and Shanahan has done waiting on
Speaker 1: Trey Lance, So I like that one. I have kind
Speaker 1: of a I have a couple of quarterback takes here.
Speaker 1: My first one is that I think it's in specifically
Speaker 1: at the top, like I want to get in, especially
Speaker 1: in superflex, I have to have one of my top
Speaker 1: eight qbs that I have listed that would be in order,
Speaker 1: mahomes Allan, Hurts, Lamar, Burrow, Fields, Lawrence, and Herbert. After that,
Speaker 1: I find quarterbacks to be very very wishy, washed sheet
Speaker 1: in dicey right. Some of these guys are gonna work,
Speaker 1: and some of them are gonna have great years this
Speaker 1: year too. I'm not saying that there's not talent there,
Speaker 1: but I'm saying trustable assets. You know, I have Kyler
Speaker 1: Murray at nine, which I think is still you know,
Speaker 1: one spot higher than ECR. I believe it was ten
Speaker 1: the last time I saw in. You know, this guy's
Speaker 1: gonna miss half this season. This offense is going to
Speaker 1: change wholly and completely from Cliff Kingsbury, right, And how
Speaker 1: much do you want to run Kyler Murray coming off
Speaker 1: of a knee injury, so maybe he loses a little
Speaker 1: bit of value that way. I have Richardson at ten.
Speaker 1: I mean, the dude is supreme talent, physically gifted, shredded
Speaker 1: up all over the place. But we've seen plenty of
Speaker 1: supremely gifted athletes burnout a quarterback because they just can't
Speaker 1: do it. So even number ten is a little questionable
Speaker 1: to me. And then you move down it's just Danny
Speaker 1: Dimes maybe without Saquon, and they still haven't had enough
Speaker 1: wide receiver talent. You have undersized Bryce Young, you have
Speaker 1: wishy washy c J. Stroud, You have Dak who is
Speaker 1: on his weight down Cousins is older Frey Lance. I
Speaker 1: have is a big question and another one of my
Speaker 1: hot takes. Le'll just go ahead and throw it in
Speaker 1: here as well bits and talking about QBS is that
Speaker 1: I'm not touching Deshan Watson. The Russ look bad. Maybe
Speaker 1: he knocks it off, but even if he does, the
Speaker 1: plan in Cleveland is going to be to run the
Speaker 1: ball and play good defense. Under Stefanski, he's obsessed with
Speaker 1: Nick Chubb. So you know, for me, I don't like
Speaker 1: the quarterbacks after the top eight. You know, even my
Speaker 1: guy Kenny Pickett has some rushing upside, but is he
Speaker 1: a sure thing, especially if they don't switch offenses. Kua
Speaker 1: has had concussions, And after that you're going with like Goff,
Speaker 1: who has been a guy that the Lions have seemed
Speaker 1: to want to replace up until last year. You would
Speaker 1: agree with me, we have no idea what we're getting
Speaker 1: out of Jordan Love the Derek Carr is wishy washy.
Speaker 1: So when you get down to the lower rungs, I
Speaker 1: just don't feel good. So, especially in super flex, I'm
Speaker 1: leaving with a top eight quarterback at least one. So
Speaker 1: and if I'm drafting in a one QB league, I
Speaker 1: am prioritizing those top eight guys. They still go later,
Speaker 1: but I have to get one of my top eight
Speaker 1: because they just don't trust a lot beyond that, So
Speaker 1: your thoughts about the overall health of the quarterback position. Now,
Speaker 1: we should have a bunch coming in next year, which
Speaker 1: should be nice, but you know, between now and then,
Speaker 1: remember Spencer Ratler a couple of years ago was mock
Speaker 1: drafted number one overall and a bunch of spots, and
Speaker 1: you know last year he wouldn't have got drafted. So
Speaker 1: you know, there's just quarterback. We're seeing a lot of
Speaker 1: those old guys that were steady eddies retire. So the
Speaker 1: top is kind of you know, top three are great,
Speaker 1: but moving on past that, it's more dicey than it
Speaker 1: has been in the past.
Speaker 2: Yeah, with the prospects Bogs, I mean like there can
Speaker 2: be a real roller coaster that. Look at Bownecks, you know,
Speaker 2: hotshot recruits. Then you know, by the end of his
Speaker 2: time at Auburn he was just a pariah down there,
Speaker 2: and you know, now Stock very much rejuvenated, right, he's
Speaker 2: going out west. So but yeah, you know, I I
Speaker 2: don't even know if that's too spicy take Bogs because
Speaker 2: I kind of agree with a lot of it, Like
Speaker 2: the eight guys are bankable. Other than that, if you're
Speaker 2: I mean, who could you be supremely confident in that
Speaker 2: they will be starting in the NFL in twenty twenty
Speaker 2: five Beside those eight, Like, I mean, I'm pretty confident
Speaker 2: that Richardson, Stroud, and Bryce Young are all going to
Speaker 2: be starters in twenty twenty five barring injury. But you know,
Speaker 2: maybe Richardson never really develops as a passer the way
Speaker 2: the Colts are hoping. Maybe Young does deal with injury
Speaker 2: issues because of his size. You know, maybe maybe Stroud
Speaker 2: isn't you know, as polished as passers. We hope. I'm
Speaker 2: optimistic about those guys, but like, yeahn Watt the optimistic.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but in terms of like for sure, it's right there.
Speaker 2: Right, I mean, like a lot of these guys are
Speaker 2: getting older cousins, and you know, like I think Daniel
Speaker 2: Jones is still going to be around after he gave
Speaker 2: us a pretty impressive performance last year, but who knows.
Speaker 2: I mean, maybe it just worked out really well with
Speaker 2: Brian Davil last year and he can't repeat it this year.
Speaker 1: And yeah, Watson, my Watson take because I kind of
Speaker 1: threw two of my hot takes at you there.
Speaker 2: I'm somewhere in between thinking that he eventually gets back
Speaker 2: to being the Houston Texans version of Deshaun Watson and
Speaker 2: thinking that the new reality is what we saw from
Speaker 2: him last year in Cleveland.
Speaker 1: Like, I think he's probably gonna touchdowns in five picks,
Speaker 1: and like you know, he was pacing out to under
Speaker 1: that seven hundred rush yard mark, which is a pretty
Speaker 1: good stabilizer for running quarterbacks.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he's probably going to settle somewhere in
Speaker 2: between those two extremes, which you know isn't exactly a
Speaker 2: bold take there, but yeah.
Speaker 1: I just I got on a top eight take either.
Speaker 1: It's definitely it's not getting him into that top group that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know why on I don't know if
Speaker 2: he cracks the elites again, I think you have good
Speaker 2: reason to doubt that. Yeah.
Speaker 1: All right, well I gave you two so fits. Why
Speaker 1: don't you go ahead and rattle off a couple for
Speaker 1: us here?
Speaker 2: All right, I'll give you one right off the bat
Speaker 2: Bogs sikuon Barkley falls out of the top twenty as
Speaker 2: far as the consensus running back rankings for Dynasty after
Speaker 2: the twenty twenty three season. It was great to see
Speaker 2: Barkley stay healthy in twenty twenty two I mean he
Speaker 2: really needed to after missing all of twenty twenty eight,
Speaker 2: well all the two games with the Tory ACL in
Speaker 2: twenty twenty and then missing four games in twenty twenty
Speaker 2: one with akle issues. But Barkley kind of tapered off
Speaker 2: last year. Bogs like he was going great guns early
Speaker 2: in the season. Average eighteen point four. Well this is
Speaker 2: half point PPR. I didn't check PPR, but yeah, like
Speaker 2: his production really dipped off. It was eighteen point four
Speaker 2: half point PPR fantasy points per game up until week eleven,
Speaker 2: and then from we go got eleven on it was
Speaker 2: twelve point nine. So there was a drop off. And
Speaker 2: Bucks here's the thing, man, He's just not a special
Speaker 2: pass catcher anymore. Like he had that fabulous rookie season
Speaker 2: where he had like seven hundred receiving yards four TD catches,
Speaker 2: I forget how many receptions, like over seventy and then
Speaker 2: last year and the year like the past two years,
Speaker 2: six point one yards per catch, four point five yards
Speaker 2: per target. Those numbers kind of suck, I'll be honest,
Speaker 2: Like for a running back, those aren't good. Those are
Speaker 2: like AJ Dillon type receiving numbers. Box I think even
Speaker 2: Dylan was more efficient two years ago as a pass catcher,
Speaker 2: like he just I don't know why he hasn't been
Speaker 2: able to get back to that dynamic guy. Maybe it's
Speaker 2: the injuries. Maybe they've already taken their toll. I mean,
Speaker 2: he's only twenty six. Maybe he need it's like two
Speaker 2: years to have those injuries completely behind it before he
Speaker 2: can get back to being his old dynamic self. But
Speaker 2: we have not seen it out of him as a
Speaker 2: pass catcher at least, And you know, I was kind
Speaker 2: of worrisome how he was tapering off down the stretch
Speaker 2: last year. So I don't know, man, if you and
Speaker 2: oh and by the way, now he's probably gonna hold
Speaker 2: out and miss all of training camp because he was
Speaker 2: franchise tagged. The deadline passed for him to come to
Speaker 2: a long term agreement with the Giants. And how good
Speaker 2: do you feel about him staying healthy all of your
Speaker 2: bogs if he misses training camp.
Speaker 1: Entirely, I don't care about training camp for him at all,
Speaker 1: So that's not going to scare me off. I feel
Speaker 1: like training camp is almost a detriment to running backs.
Speaker 1: I feel like because they're going to take so many
Speaker 1: hits so many blows during the season, you don't want
Speaker 1: to doing too much in camp. And you know, my
Speaker 1: boy Nagy last year hurt his foot day one of camp,
Speaker 1: so I don't care about him missing camp at all.
Speaker 1: But I am afraid of this getting ugly, and I
Speaker 1: normally I wouldn't be because even like I was drafting
Speaker 1: Le'Veon Bell up until you know, two weeks before the
Speaker 1: season started when he was holding out, because we'd never
Speaker 1: really seen someone a running back like hold out and
Speaker 1: miss a bunch of games. That it happened before. I
Speaker 1: think Emmett Smith had done it, like he missed like
Speaker 1: four games or five or six games. But I was
Speaker 1: also like nine when that happened or whatever, So like
Speaker 1: I don't have a vivid memory of it. I knew
Speaker 1: it had happened before. But Belle set out the whole
Speaker 1: year and it was not the same running back when
Speaker 1: he came back. That's what I thought this take was
Speaker 1: gonna be. Was more about him missing time and all
Speaker 1: that stuff, not so much about last year. Look, this
Speaker 1: is one of my issues with Daniel Jones is that
Speaker 1: the reason he led this team in targets and catches.
Speaker 1: I believe last year the Giants. It was maybe not catches,
Speaker 1: but definitely targets. And you know, they didn't have anybody else.
Speaker 1: They had no downfield thread. I mean, Darius Slayton. We
Speaker 1: get open deep and drop the ball so many times
Speaker 1: it was so aggravating. Isaiah Hodgens is not a speed
Speaker 1: demon at all, so he's taken short routes and they
Speaker 1: weren't asking Danny to put the ball down field, which
Speaker 1: is why they drafted Jalen Hyat. It's why they traded
Speaker 1: for Darren Waller. You see. I feel like to get
Speaker 1: some of that middle of the field open a little
Speaker 1: bit more for those dump offs for Saquon to work
Speaker 1: so he doesn't have to then fight off four tacklers
Speaker 1: immediately after he catches the ball. So I think I'm
Speaker 1: still a Saquon guy. I understand his injury history, people
Speaker 1: not liking him, and you're one of those guys, and
Speaker 1: I get it, but I can't. I can't hate Saquon.
Speaker 1: I can't do it. So I'm gonna disagree with you
Speaker 1: on this one. But that's why it's a hot take,
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Speaker 1: All right, I gave you to give me another one, Fits,
Speaker 1: what's your next hot take?
Speaker 2: All right? Bugs? And just to backtrack, I don't actually
Speaker 2: hate say Quon Bark, but I just do have concerns
Speaker 2: about his value going forward. But hater, so my next one,
Speaker 2: also running back related, I think Antonio Gibson becomes a
Speaker 2: consensus top fifteen dynasty running back by the end of
Speaker 2: the season, or at least I can see a plausible
Speaker 2: path to it happening. Look, as I've said before, he
Speaker 2: is as big as fast as Jonathan Taylor and is
Speaker 2: a former college receiver, so we know he can catch basses.
Speaker 2: And he scored double digit touchdowns in his first two
Speaker 2: NFL seasons. So last year he fell out of favor
Speaker 2: with Washington offensive coordinator Scott Turner for whatever reason. It
Speaker 2: had a career low one hundred and forty nine carries.
Speaker 2: But now it's Eric b Enemy's offense, and I'm optimistic
Speaker 2: that the enemy is going to up the usage of
Speaker 2: Antonio Gibson, and I think it makes sense for him
Speaker 2: to do so now that JD. McKissick is no longer
Speaker 2: on the roster. Like even in those first two years
Speaker 2: where Gibson was catching a lot of passes for Washington,
Speaker 2: he wasn't the leading pass catching running back on the team.
Speaker 2: It was McKissick. Mckissick's gone. I think Gibson is going
Speaker 2: to have the passing down work to himself, and hopefully
Speaker 2: a good percentage of the early downs too, because I think,
Speaker 2: you know, Brian Robertson, I'm not gonna trash him or anything.
Speaker 2: I think he's a decent running back, but I don't
Speaker 2: think he has special qualities, you know.
Speaker 1: I think i'd say he's above average, but not special.
Speaker 1: I think that's fair.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, like he's a perfectly fine early down thumper,
Speaker 2: but I think he's pretty limited, and whereas I think
Speaker 2: Antonio Gibson has potentially special traits the size, the speed,
Speaker 2: and the pass catching ability. And yeah, so I'm I'm
Speaker 2: optimistic that Gibson is going to get more run this
Speaker 2: year under the Enemy than he got under Scott Turner
Speaker 2: last year. And I think you know in an offense that, yeah,
Speaker 2: it's probably not going to be one of the more
Speaker 2: prolific offenses in the league this year with Sam Howell
Speaker 2: att quarterback, but maybe Sam Hull dumps off a lot
Speaker 2: as a young, inexperienced quarterback who's going to be under
Speaker 2: duress a lot of the time. So it could fuel
Speaker 2: a potential. You know, sixty seventy five catch season for
Speaker 2: Antonio Gibson, and you know, if they can get him
Speaker 2: the ball in the space, this dude can make some
Speaker 2: big plays. So I'm cautiously optimistic about Antonio Gibson, and boy,
Speaker 2: if he does have a splashy earbogs, suddenly he could
Speaker 2: creep into that top fifteen range.
Speaker 1: I think the skill set you want to recognize with
Speaker 1: Antonio Gibson is what Deebo has, right. It's kind of
Speaker 1: the same thing where you want the ball in his
Speaker 1: hands and he can go and make an explosive play.
Speaker 1: He can break tackles, He's shifty, he's fast. So I
Speaker 1: really like this sake because I think Antonio Gibson a
Speaker 1: lot like our same Devin h Chain take fits he
Speaker 1: is that this guy doesn't need twenty touches to make
Speaker 1: an impact, you might get them. You might get way
Speaker 1: more touches than he had last year, especially if he
Speaker 1: proves it. So that's within a reasonable realm of possibility,
Speaker 1: I think too. But even if he doesn't, if he's
Speaker 1: a twelve to fifteen touch guy somewhere in that range
Speaker 1: every single game, he's got the juice to make big plays.
Speaker 1: So I really I'm gonna agree with this hot take
Speaker 1: because I like Antonio Gibson a lot, so I.
Speaker 2: Like that one.
Speaker 1: I do think Brian Robinson is a little bit of
Speaker 1: you know, like I said, above average but not great.
Speaker 1: He's not gonna blow you away with anything, but he
Speaker 1: can do everything. He can be a third down back.
Speaker 1: But I think you know, you exchange Jalen Warren for
Speaker 1: Brian Robinson's kind of the same thing going on, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, So probably more of a back.
Speaker 1: But they do like him because he is a thumber
Speaker 1: and he runs hard. I wanted you do give us
Speaker 1: one more because I think this might be our last
Speaker 1: RB take sure, so so give us your your one
Speaker 1: on another take in this one, I'll fight you.
Speaker 2: On and and by the way, I would say Brian
Speaker 2: Robinson is above average. If the Cohort is all NFL
Speaker 2: running backs not so much if it's like starting Yeah,
Speaker 2: I would agree with that. All right, So this last one, Bogs,
Speaker 2: and I know you're gonna hate this one. I hate it.
Speaker 2: Zach Charbaday will be considered a more valuable fantasy asset
Speaker 2: than Kenneth Walker in Dynasty by the end of the year.
Speaker 2: So now, Bogs, My, my running back rankings in Dynasty
Speaker 2: do not reflect here's hot takes.
Speaker 1: So yeah, okay, he doesn't, yeh.
Speaker 2: In fairness, I mean, Kenneth Walker did show that he's
Speaker 2: a pretty dark good NFL running back last year within
Speaker 2: eleven hundred yards season after missing time early in the year,
Speaker 2: and he did it kind of over a part of
Speaker 2: a season. But here's the case for sharbon A Bogs.
Speaker 2: Both were second round picks and so it's not like
Speaker 2: there's a big draft kepital advantage here for Kenneth Walker.
Speaker 2: And as we know, Pete Carroll runs the closest thing
Speaker 2: to a true meritocracy that there is in the NFL.
Speaker 2: You know, we saw this with previously when Rashad Petty
Speaker 2: was a first round draft pick and couldn't get on
Speaker 2: the field. Yeah right away, because Chris Carson was better
Speaker 2: in Pete Carroll's eyes, and you know our own Thorne Eystrom,
Speaker 2: I know you respect his opinion quite a bit. I mean,
Speaker 2: he loved Charbona in his downhill running style. And I
Speaker 2: believe Thor had Charbonay ranked ahead of Junior Gibbs this
Speaker 2: past year in his rookie draft rankings. So and now
Speaker 2: Charbonay is coming into the league as a more accomplished
Speaker 2: pass catcher than Walker, who didn't really do much of
Speaker 2: that in college. Whereas sharbon A had thirty seven catches
Speaker 2: for UCLA last fall.
Speaker 1: Right the work, he was good. Kenneth Walker's quarterback, right.
Speaker 2: I know, I know that the system, although you know
Speaker 2: we didn't exactly see Walker lighting it up as a
Speaker 2: pass catcher last year either. It's really not his forte Bogs.
Speaker 2: We're not going to see him turn into a fifty
Speaker 2: to sixty reception guy. We're just not.
Speaker 1: So I okay, go ahead, So I'm sorry, no, no,
Speaker 1: that's okay.
Speaker 2: So I do think Walker's good, but I also think
Speaker 2: scharbon A is good, Bogs. I think charbon Ay is
Speaker 2: going to affect Walker's production in that you know, if
Speaker 2: he does affect his production all of a sudden, Walker
Speaker 2: is no longer like a clear top twenty dynasty running back.
Speaker 2: And you know, if if Pete Carroll decides he likes
Speaker 2: Charbona a little better, Charbona is gonna.
Speaker 1: Play ahead him.
Speaker 2: Boggs.
Speaker 1: We know that, Yes, And look, h is this within
Speaker 1: the range of reasonable outcomes? Yeah? I mean it could be.
Speaker 1: My fear for Walker and char for Walker against charbon
Speaker 1: Ay is that charone and he gets the goal line
Speaker 1: touches because he's bigger than Walker. That's like my big
Speaker 1: fear for Walker. But that's it because I feel like
Speaker 1: Walker is the better running back. Maybe not past catching,
Speaker 1: but I think given a chance to do it, you know,
Speaker 1: I think he's still I would rather have the ball
Speaker 1: in Walker's hands than Scharponaye's hands. Sharvion a can He
Speaker 1: can do a little bit of everything right. And he's
Speaker 1: a good running back. And I would say he's like
Speaker 1: better than Brian Robinson. I would say all around, he's
Speaker 1: probably like better than Antonio Gibson as well. You know,
Speaker 1: I think he's a good back. But Kenneth Walker is
Speaker 1: an elite back in my mind. I still have him
Speaker 1: as a top ten RB in my dynasty rankings. That's
Speaker 1: not going to change. And what it is is his
Speaker 1: breakaway possibility. He makes guys miss. And this was something
Speaker 1: he did at Michigan State with a bad quarterback, with
Speaker 1: a whole defense and that Michigan defense that he torched
Speaker 1: and one of the most impressive running back games I've
Speaker 1: ever seen in my life where he scored four touchdowns
Speaker 1: late and they just could not stop him. He war
Speaker 1: through the Michigan defense which ended up, you know, being
Speaker 1: in the playoffs like that was a very very good team.
Speaker 1: Lots of draft picks from that Michigan team and he
Speaker 1: ate them up when they knew what was coming. So
Speaker 1: Kenneth Walker to me, especially if Gino is cooking again,
Speaker 1: I think both these guys can work. I think they
Speaker 1: they will run the ball more because they have both
Speaker 1: of them than they did last year. I believe they
Speaker 1: were like twenty seventh or twenty third in rush attempts
Speaker 1: last season. It was pretty low. But I just Walker
Speaker 1: is the better running back. To me, the breakaway yards,
Speaker 1: the explosive plays are the difference maker for me between
Speaker 1: him and Charbonay, and Charbonay doesn't quite have that breakaway
Speaker 1: potential that Walker doesn't. There are not many running backs
Speaker 1: that do. So, not that Sharvion Ay can't have big
Speaker 1: chunk runs, but Walker gets them and he'll get the
Speaker 1: most game so and I still think he leads in touches.
Speaker 1: So I don't agree with this one, but I do
Speaker 1: understand the fear of Sharbonnay. And look, I was as
Speaker 1: bummed as anybody when I saw the Seahawks draft Charbonnay
Speaker 1: and I went, oh, because that hurts both of them.
Speaker 1: I would much rather have Sharbona and Tampa Bay or something,
Speaker 1: you know, taking carries away from Rashad White. So all right,
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, So that's all the running back ones.
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Speaker 1: wide receivers in here, Fitzeen. We'll go a little faster,
Speaker 1: and I have two sleepers to tell you about here
Speaker 1: real quick, Jamis and Williams. I feel like he is
Speaker 1: severely underrated as ecr is. I think thir thirty one.
Speaker 1: I have him at seventeen and on the same team
Speaker 1: with John Metchie, who all talked about in a second.
Speaker 1: His last year in college, he was top five in
Speaker 1: yards and yards have to catch, top ten in yards
Speaker 1: per reception, in top fifteen in yards per route run.
Speaker 1: And this is as close a prospect that we've had
Speaker 1: to DeAndre Hopkins in a long time. And because I'm
Speaker 1: monra Saint Brown is, you know, a top ten wide
Speaker 1: receiver now in the NFL, We're just overlooking Jamis. And
Speaker 1: he also has a suspension that you know has kind
Speaker 1: of clouded him by the way. His easyard moved up
Speaker 1: one spot today to thirty. I have him at seventeen.
Speaker 1: We talked about this in the wide Receiver episode before,
Speaker 1: but I just need to rehit it because this is
Speaker 1: one of my hottest takes, even though we did talk
Speaker 1: about it before. I want to rehit it and tell
Speaker 1: everyone I am all in on Jamison Williams. I'm trading
Speaker 1: for him, I'm drafting him, whatever you have to do.
Speaker 1: And his Alabama teammate, John Metchi, who is in Houston
Speaker 1: fits is just my number one sleeper across You know
Speaker 1: what I want you to guess, because you're not looking
Speaker 1: at it. What do you think John Mechi's ECR among
Speaker 1: wide receivers for Dynasty.
Speaker 2: Is right now, It's probably gonna be like seventy something.
Speaker 1: Seventy one, wow one, I mean, I mean there are
Speaker 1: some people going ahead of John Metchie. Let's see. So
Speaker 1: he's at seventy one, just ahead of him, Al Lazard,
Speaker 1: Cedric Tillman, who hasn't played yet for Cleveland by the way,
Speaker 1: and they traded for Elijah Moore is ahead of John Metchi.
Speaker 1: You know, Tyler boyd Romeo Dobbs, DPJ, Michael Thomas who
Speaker 1: can't stay on the field, Wandel Robinson who's done nothing,
Speaker 1: Nicole Collins, his teammate, who is fine but a jag
Speaker 1: in terms of wide receivers, I think John Metchi was
Speaker 1: underrated coming into the NFL, and then of course he
Speaker 1: had the cancer diagnosis. So I understand, you know, there's
Speaker 1: a lot of injury stuff for him, and we saw
Speaker 1: James Honor after, you know, his going through his stuff
Speaker 1: with cancer, having some injury issues. I get that, but
Speaker 1: John Metchi has a chance to be the number one
Speaker 1: in Houston. There's opportunity there for him to be the
Speaker 1: number one because Robert Woods, the ghost of Robert Woods,
Speaker 1: is like the only competition he has. Right So when
Speaker 1: he left college, he was top ten in receptions, yards
Speaker 1: after the catch, contested catch rate, and mistackles forced top
Speaker 1: ten in all of those stats. And we're you know,
Speaker 1: he blewed his knee in the SEC championship game in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one, he had the cancer diagnosis. It's been
Speaker 1: it's been a rough year. It's been a rough two
Speaker 1: years for John Metschie. But this guy, I feel like
Speaker 1: was underrated coming in the NFL, and he had the
Speaker 1: cancer diagnosis, and now people are acting like he's, you know,
Speaker 1: not going to do anything in the NFL. I mean,
Speaker 1: seventy one. That is you know what a wide receiver six,
Speaker 1: I mean that is absurd, and I have him as
Speaker 1: my ECR wide receiver forty eight, and I will take
Speaker 1: him in every single startup that I do, and I
Speaker 1: will trade. You can probably trade a third round pick
Speaker 1: to get Mechi now a fourth round pick maybe in
Speaker 1: some leagues for a team that has depth at wide receiver.
Speaker 1: Another reason why I think wide receiver is deep is
Speaker 1: because I think some of these guys are severely underrated. FITZI, so,
Speaker 1: Jamison and Metchi. I'm not an Alabama fan, I swear,
Speaker 1: but these guys really impressed me. What do you think
Speaker 1: about those two guys in terms of their ECR.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no pushback whatsoever on Jamison. What he did in
Speaker 2: tuscal leos So is very impressive. Draft capital, speed, physical, trades, everything.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: I don't like that he got himself suspended for gambling,
Speaker 2: but I think everyone agrees that he's got a really
Speaker 2: high ceiling. Metchi, I know he was highly productive in
Speaker 2: his third and final season at Alabama, and you know,
Speaker 2: also very productive as a sophomore two. I just wonder
Speaker 2: bugs if he has like any special traits. I mean,
Speaker 2: like he was productive, but granted in a very good
Speaker 2: offense surrounded by other terrific players. Like, he's not big, he's.
Speaker 1: Not fast at least not though that it's that that
Speaker 1: contested catch right in those mistackles force that really impressed me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, like if he is, I'm not discounting
Speaker 2: the possibility that he proves to be, you know, exceptional
Speaker 2: after the catch in the NFL. But I just I
Speaker 2: don't know. I just like I don't see him being
Speaker 2: a special guy. I'm interested in him, for sure, but
Speaker 2: right now, my expect expectations are not nearly as high
Speaker 2: for Metchi as they are for Jamison, And really, you know,
Speaker 2: to be honest, I don't have any expectations for Mechi
Speaker 2: right now.
Speaker 1: And that's and that's understandable and that's fair. But I
Speaker 1: also think that is what is making him a value
Speaker 1: right now, is that not a lot of people have expectations. So,
Speaker 1: I mean, if you had Metchi and your roster and
Speaker 1: somebody offered you a twenty twenty four to third, knowing
Speaker 1: that twenty twenty four class is fairly deep, do you
Speaker 1: think he'd pull the trigger on that get a third?
Speaker 2: Yeah, So so do it.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying is go go do that trade. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because you could I mean, and maybe someone sees him
Speaker 1: as a real dirt, cheap guy. Maybe you could trade
Speaker 1: a fourth if you even have four rounds of europe
Speaker 1: Draft next year. So those are a couple of my
Speaker 1: wide receiver ones. What do you have on wide receivers here?
Speaker 2: Fitz all Right, blogman, would it surprise you if by
Speaker 2: the end of the season, Jaden Reid was considered the
Speaker 2: most valuable Dynasty asset among the Green Bay Packers wide receivers,
Speaker 2: more so than Christian Watson. That shocked you.
Speaker 1: It wouldn't shock me, but it would surprise me because
Speaker 1: I also like Welsh and I just got done doing
Speaker 1: a breakout show and I picked Watson to be a
Speaker 1: breakout So I do expect him to lead the Packers
Speaker 1: in like targets and catches this year. But you know,
Speaker 1: Jayden Reid is pretty good, so I'm not like, it
Speaker 1: wouldn't be shocking, but I would say it would be
Speaker 1: surprising to me.
Speaker 2: Watson isn't.
Speaker 1: Like.
Speaker 2: I'm very cautiously optimistic about Watson. I mean, the size
Speaker 2: and speed combination is potentially special, and there were some
Speaker 2: flashes last year. I mean, there were some big plays,
Speaker 2: but an inordinate amount of his production came on big
Speaker 2: plays last year, Bogs. And if you compare the games
Speaker 2: where he and Dubbs played together, like as far as
Speaker 2: just net stats, receptions, targets, yardage, I think Dubbs actually
Speaker 2: outdid him in the games they played together.
Speaker 1: It's not hard to squint and see mvs with Watson.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and like, I don't think he's gonna be that
Speaker 2: type of guy. But if you look at him versus Reed,
Speaker 2: both second rounders, you know, and Reed was actually playing
Speaker 2: against much tougher college competition in Michigan State than Watson
Speaker 2: was at North Dakota State. So you know, again, Watson
Speaker 2: did have some exciting moments as a rookie, but I
Speaker 2: like read a lot too, Like he's he's pretty special
Speaker 2: at contested catches, Like in that department, he is really
Speaker 2: good and also really good acceleration, and he's good with
Speaker 2: the ball in his hands, as you know, proven by
Speaker 2: his three punt return touchdowns during his college career. So
Speaker 2: I'm kind of excited about this guy. And while I'm
Speaker 2: also excited about Watson, I don't think it's a slam
Speaker 2: dunk that he makes it and becomes this coveted dynasty
Speaker 2: asset like it's possible that you know, he doesn't get there,
Speaker 2: and I think people think he's maybe kind of a
Speaker 2: I don't know, like it's a done deal, like Watson's
Speaker 2: already there and people are excited making him like a
Speaker 2: top twenty five Dynasty guy. I'm not sure I do.
Speaker 1: I actually I have Watson at twenty five, So it's
Speaker 1: funny that you mentioned that because I couldn't put him
Speaker 1: in like my wide receiver twos, know what I mean?
Speaker 1: So I I have him at twenty five. I can
Speaker 1: tell you that Red's ECR right now is forty nine,
Speaker 1: so one spot below wide receiver four, So he's your
Speaker 1: first wide receiver five coming off the board, which makes
Speaker 1: him a cheap asset right like he's going in the
Speaker 1: range of Courtland Sutton, Marvin Mins, Gabe Davis, Tyler, Lockett,
Speaker 1: Cadarius Tony. Are you taking read ahead of those guys
Speaker 1: or are you okay with his ECR? But he is
Speaker 1: a targeted player and investment that you would like to make, not.
Speaker 2: Taking him out of Tony, I am taking him ahead
Speaker 2: of Lockett, Boggs. You know what an agist I am?
Speaker 2: And you know and now JSN is there to you
Speaker 2: know kind of crimp Lockett style. So and who was it?
Speaker 2: Was there a third guy you mentioned in that Uh, the.
Speaker 1: Last one I think in that group was Marvin Mins
Speaker 1: Gabe Davis Courtland's Oh yeah, yeah, so I'll probably take something.
Speaker 1: But I like the investment in the thought process, and
Speaker 1: this is this is where the thought process is good
Speaker 1: fits on things like this is there's opportunity for him
Speaker 1: to be a one. Right, that's my same thought process
Speaker 1: with Metch Like there is blood in the water. This
Speaker 1: job is up for the taking. It's not just we're
Speaker 1: not gonna just give it to Watson. Watson should be
Speaker 1: the one. He's gonna be in the role of the
Speaker 1: one to start the season. But if he doesn't lock
Speaker 1: it down the first three weeks, this job is open.
Speaker 1: You know, packers are kind of rebuilding here, so you
Speaker 1: know this, this becomes a meritocracy very quickly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and look, Bogs, I mean the ECR is fair
Speaker 2: on Reid because he hasn't done anything yet. He wasn't
Speaker 2: like a dynamic prospect. He didn't you know, put up
Speaker 2: eye popping numbers at Michigan State. But he's a very
Speaker 2: intriguing prospect that it wouldn't surprise me if we thought
Speaker 2: about him much differently after his rookie year than we're
Speaker 2: thinking about it right now.
Speaker 1: All right, So I've got two more for you here,
Speaker 1: and I'm just gonna give him both to you want
Speaker 1: to a player and one is more of a once
Speaker 1: again a draft concept. One the player is Malik Willis.
Speaker 1: I don't think he is dead yet, and I know
Speaker 1: the Titans went out and they drafted will Levis, right,
Speaker 1: and he is probably going to be the straight back
Speaker 1: of Tannehill. Something bad happens with Tannehill this year, injury,
Speaker 1: bad performance, whatever. I do think Will Levis is their
Speaker 1: go to guy, right. But let's not completely throw away
Speaker 1: Malik Willis yet, because he is one of those is
Speaker 1: you would call them fits, a Konami code rusher. So
Speaker 1: if he cleans up his mechanics a little bit, if
Speaker 1: he becomes more familiar and with experience, and we know
Speaker 1: from that whole draft process this is a hard worker.
Speaker 1: He was thrust in way too early last year. We
Speaker 1: all saw that. And I'm not doubting that Josh Dobbs
Speaker 1: got the start over him. He just wasn't ready and
Speaker 1: he should not have been put in that position either,
Speaker 1: I think that was a mistake by Vrabel and the
Speaker 1: coaching staff in Tennessee, which is a very good coaching
Speaker 1: staff that doesn't make many mistakes. So, but he's not
Speaker 1: dead yet, and I think that maybe it's getting out
Speaker 1: of Tennessee. Maybe it's that, you know, he pushes will
Speaker 1: Levis this year and earns that number two role behind
Speaker 1: him quicker than we thought. I just like it specifically
Speaker 1: in a super flex to invest in Willis just in case,
Speaker 1: even as a grab and stash whatever it is, because
Speaker 1: of that rushing upside. That's my big take quickly on
Speaker 1: Willis since we are kind of running short here, FITZI.
Speaker 2: Yeah, totally agree, Boggs. We knew he was going to
Speaker 2: be a project coming into the NFL. I just think
Speaker 2: people got so people, including the Tennessee Titans, were so
Speaker 2: I don't know, depressed by the first go around, and
Speaker 2: like when they brought in Josh Dobbs at the end
Speaker 2: of this season to make starts at quarterback, I think
Speaker 2: like that really killed enthusiasm for Willis among Dynasty managers.
Speaker 2: But maybe it shouldn't because we knew he was going
Speaker 2: to be a major long term project.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, exactly, So that that's my thought process. If
Speaker 1: you can get him real cheap, get him as a
Speaker 1: throw in on a trade, whatever it is, maybe even
Speaker 1: scoop him off off the wider and stash him if
Speaker 1: they do. Say, you know, Will Levis is the guy
Speaker 1: because that rushing upside is incredible for him. So let's
Speaker 1: not throw him completely away yet. My last hot take
Speaker 1: is to me, tight end is very, very deep fits.
Speaker 1: There's so much sound there. That's this position that if
Speaker 1: I don't get a top five and the ECR top
Speaker 1: five is the same as my top five, it's you know, Pitts, Andrews, Kelsey, Hawkinson, Kittle.
Speaker 1: But I don't get one of those guys, I'm probably
Speaker 1: just gonna wait. Maybe you're throwing.
Speaker 2: Goddard top six whatever.
Speaker 1: Still a high volume guy, but he's got Brown and
Speaker 1: Devonte Smith to deal with there. You know, I like Furmouth,
Speaker 1: I love kin Kate. He's a great shot. But even
Speaker 1: if you move down past like in Djoku and Waller
Speaker 1: and Dulkisch, let's get to some of these rookies. Let's
Speaker 1: get down to Mayor Laporta, Commet McBride, Jelanie would must Grave.
Speaker 1: These are all solid prospects to hit and could possibly
Speaker 1: push up into that high tight end marker. So if
Speaker 1: I don't, I'm not really too worried about tight end
Speaker 1: and dynasty and getting one because I think there's a
Speaker 1: lot of good shots to take. And I didn't even
Speaker 1: mention at conk Wo because they just added Hopkins and
Speaker 1: obviously he's gonna get pushed down a little bit, but
Speaker 1: he could end up being very very good as well.
Speaker 1: So I just think the wealth and depth of the
Speaker 1: tight end position makes me wait on drafting that position,
Speaker 1: even in a startup. So your thoughts on the tight
Speaker 1: end position here, then I know you have a tight
Speaker 1: end hot take as well.
Speaker 2: I agree with you that there are a lot of
Speaker 2: maybees at tight end, a lot of plausible maybees. I
Speaker 2: don't agree that there is a lot of proven talent
Speaker 2: out there, and really like only probably the five guys
Speaker 2: you mentioned at the top Kelsey, Andrews, Hits, Hockinson, Kittle,
Speaker 2: maybe Goddard, Yeah, I.
Speaker 1: Think, God, it's like maybe he's on the line.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there are six guys you feel totally comfortable starting,
Speaker 2: you know, five or six, and that's half or less
Speaker 2: about a dynasty league, So it's I can't totally agree
Speaker 2: with you, Bogs. My tight end take is that Jake
Speaker 2: Ferguson is going to be considered a more valuable fantasy
Speaker 2: asset than Chig o'cockwall popular breakout candidates by the end
Speaker 2: of the season. Ferguson totally flying under the radar ocockquo
Speaker 2: everyone's you know, preseason darling. But Ferguson was drafted ahead
Speaker 2: of Jig in the fourth round last year, Bogs. Ferguson
Speaker 2: had much better college numbers at Wisconsin. Yeah, maybe there's
Speaker 2: some scouts that bias here. Then Chig had at Maryland
Speaker 2: while playing in the same conference, and Ferguson at six
Speaker 2: five and two hundred and fifty pounds is bigger than Chig,
Speaker 2: who is only six two and two forty three. And
Speaker 2: Ferguson's gonna have a better quarterback this year with Dak
Speaker 2: Prescott rather than Tannehill. So with Dalton Schultz gone, And yes,
Speaker 2: the Cowboys drafted Luke scoon Maker, but I really think
Speaker 2: he's more of a blocker than a pass catcher. Like
Speaker 2: I think there is a possibility that Ferguson really surprises
Speaker 2: people as a pass catcher this year at Boggs. When
Speaker 2: he was at Wisconsin, Like from his sophomore year on,
Speaker 2: he was the number one pass catcher in that offense.
Speaker 2: Now that's that saying a lot. I was a very
Speaker 2: run heavy offense. That Dell was a really bad quarterbacking.
Speaker 2: But man, you saw it all the time when they were,
Speaker 2: you know, in third and long and it was crunch time,
Speaker 2: they were going to Jake Ferguson and not the receivers.
Speaker 1: Look if it's disagreeing with my point and then making
Speaker 1: my point, by the way, love that Ferguson. I didn't
Speaker 1: even mention him. He's another guy that's down there in
Speaker 1: that possibility of being in. I mean, Dak loves a
Speaker 1: good tight end. We know that, so did the guy.
Speaker 1: Didn't even mention that you brought up. And I think
Speaker 1: he's a good option at tight end too. So I
Speaker 1: will agree with you in your Jake Ferguson case because
Speaker 1: it also helps my hot take that tied end is deep.
Speaker 1: So one last one for you, fifteen. I love this
Speaker 1: one that you have on a sheet here, let's hear it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the other ones have all been player related bogs.
Speaker 2: This one is league related, and some people are absolutely
Speaker 2: going to hate me for saying I can just see
Speaker 2: what our buddy Shane Manila is going to say about this.
Speaker 2: He would just like be cursing a blue streak. I mean,
Speaker 2: dynasty leagues should have a trade deadline, and it should
Speaker 2: come before the end of November. Boggs, you've talked about
Speaker 2: how you are very play for now in your approach
Speaker 2: to dynasty, and part of the reason is, and you've
Speaker 2: mentioned this, is because so many dynasty leagues fold. And
Speaker 2: it's true a lot of them do fold. And we
Speaker 2: want leagues that last. And the best way to make
Speaker 2: them last is to strive to achieve harmony among all
Speaker 2: the managers and to avoid major blow ups with arguments.
Speaker 2: What causes blow ups lopsided end of the season trades
Speaker 2: that like charge title contenders. And look, if you're one
Speaker 2: of the other title title contenders and you watch some
Speaker 2: like Cellar Dwelling team sell off like their three or
Speaker 2: four most valuable acts, their brother you know, yeah, to
Speaker 2: like whoever, like like a single right and and to
Speaker 2: help that other title contending team really stop the accelerator
Speaker 2: on the way to the championship. You were going to
Speaker 2: be angry about that, like you can't help it, so
Speaker 2: put the trading deadline in man, Like, if you want
Speaker 2: to make that trade at the end of November, if
Speaker 2: you want to make it on Thanksgiving weekend, that's fine. Man,
Speaker 2: when you're making it like in late December, like right before.
Speaker 2: Some teams allow trading during the playoffs, I think that's
Speaker 2: kind of crazy. I just think it's too much. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's just way too much trouble for big Brew hahas.
Speaker 2: In the leagues, no one wants that. Just avoid the
Speaker 2: sort of aggravation that brings leagues to you know, an end. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and no more. I agree with that.
Speaker 1: I'll add on to it too. Don't do league votes
Speaker 1: on trades. Have a commissioner that everybody trust, and you know,
Speaker 1: most trades are most trades are fine. The only reason
Speaker 1: to not accept the trade, even if it's a bad trade,
Speaker 1: in my opinion, is collusion.
Speaker 2: That's it.
Speaker 1: Which some of those trades look collusiony. So maybe you
Speaker 1: have to go and get a thought process from the
Speaker 1: guy doing the bad side of the trade and say
Speaker 1: why are you doing this, and have a commission that
Speaker 1: will do that for you. I think adding a trade
Speaker 1: deadline helps as well, you know, and just talk to
Speaker 1: your league mates and figure out what's best for everyone
Speaker 1: and what they agree on and get it before the
Speaker 1: season starts, so you don't have to make changes in season.
Speaker 1: But I completely agree with that hot take as well, Fitsie.
Speaker 1: So look that those are hot takes. We did it,
Speaker 1: We tried to get them in here. We disagreed of course,
Speaker 1: because they're hot takes, and not all of them are
Speaker 1: going to pan out because they are hot takes. But
Speaker 1: hopefully you guys enjoyed it. Hope you guys agreed or disagreed.
Speaker 1: I know so passionately. This will be probably the most
Speaker 1: commented on show that we do this season here, Fits,
Speaker 1: but there it is. We got our hot takes in.
Speaker 1: Remember you can follow us on the Twitter apt Boglin
Speaker 1: Sports for myself at fits Underscore FF for FITZI, and
Speaker 1: we will see you guys next week to talk some
Speaker 1: players at the Crossroads and I got a lot of
Speaker 1: players for that one. This is going to be a
Speaker 1: fun episode next week as well, so tune into that
Speaker 1: and we will see you guys next week. Take it easy, everybody.
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