Speaker 1: Today's episode was recorded before the SAG after a strike
Speaker 1: began on July fourteenth. Table for two thanks you, as
Speaker 1: always for tuning in and supporting entertainers. Hey, everybody, thank
Speaker 1: you for pulling up a chair for today's episode of
Speaker 1: Table for two. We're sitting at the iconic lobster role
Speaker 1: in Amagansett, New York, and we're about to have another
Speaker 1: great lunch. Okay, well, look who I seek? Come in
Speaker 1: my way. Hey beautiful, I'm gonna give you a hug.
Speaker 2: We're hungry today, I'm always hungry.
Speaker 1: My guest today is a dear friend, incredible actress, and
Speaker 1: brilliant business person. She's currently celebrating twenty five years of
Speaker 1: her show Sex and the City with season two of
Speaker 1: Jests Like That on Max. She also has a stylish
Speaker 1: footwear line, a book in print, and her own food column.
Speaker 2: Yes, folks, she's.
Speaker 1: A serious food there's your beefsteak tomato?
Speaker 3: Oh my god.
Speaker 1: Being at the lobster role eating and letting the conversation
Speaker 1: meander always feels like a classic peak summertime activity, and
Speaker 1: there's no better way to celebrate the height of the
Speaker 1: season and having lunch with today's guests.
Speaker 2: My friend Sarah.
Speaker 3: Jessica Parker here cheers, Luna. What are you saying, Salu.
Speaker 1: I'm Bruce Bosi and this is my podcast table for two.
Speaker 3: So I tend to I order a lot. I have
Speaker 3: a food column, so my editor always wants me to,
Speaker 3: you know, have more if we're not going to be
Speaker 3: a party of four where we can all share a
Speaker 3: lot of dishes.
Speaker 2: Could you remind everyone, like of the paper, it's thick net.
Speaker 3: It's a wire service, so it's like syndicated a lot
Speaker 3: of papers.
Speaker 1: Okay, well, I mean over sort of the course of
Speaker 1: launching a show, like and just like that season two,
Speaker 1: that what's difficult in the process of like, okay, now
Speaker 1: you did all that work.
Speaker 3: I think for me it's not. It's been really pleasant
Speaker 3: because I decided that it's very different than it used
Speaker 3: to be to launch anything news and the way we
Speaker 3: talk about things, the pace of our lives and social
Speaker 3: media and this just like revolving door of the news
Speaker 3: cycle is like our daily life, like, so trying to
Speaker 3: talk about something that's important is just different than it
Speaker 3: used to be. In the old days, you'd have press
Speaker 3: junket days, you'd go on every talk show, you'd do
Speaker 3: you know, you pick a few nighttime shows, morning shows,
Speaker 3: afternoon shows, you do newspapers, you would do as syndicated,
Speaker 3: you would meet with everybody, you'd meet with the foreign press,
Speaker 3: and it was formal and organized and it was it
Speaker 3: was a lot of work, which was fine if you
Speaker 3: if something you care about. But now you're sort of
Speaker 3: it's I feel like it's fluid, so meaning like it
Speaker 3: keeps changing, Like what's the best way to make impact?
Speaker 3: How do you reach an audience? You know, what do
Speaker 3: you Are you doing it via social media? Are you
Speaker 3: doing it on a podcast? Are you doing it on
Speaker 3: There's just so for me, I decided that there's so
Speaker 3: much information about the show already, you know, then it
Speaker 3: just becomes more You get more concentrated about what you
Speaker 3: want to do. So I was like, I want to
Speaker 3: do you know, one or two magazines and you know,
Speaker 3: one or two visits in the morning, and you know,
Speaker 3: did Diane Sawyer and then Cynthia and Kristin and I
Speaker 3: did Good Morning America together, you know, I did The
Speaker 3: New Yorker and I did Vogue and you I care
Speaker 3: a Swisher And that way it feels very specific and
Speaker 3: like targeted. I don't mean in a strategic way, but
Speaker 3: I guess it is, but just thoughtful, so you're not
Speaker 3: just throwing yourself out there and seeing, you know, just
Speaker 3: randomly kind of what you know. I don't does that
Speaker 3: make sense? It just feels much more disciplined.
Speaker 2: And how you did Howard? You were great on Howard?
Speaker 3: We did, yes, power forgive me, of course, my goodness.
Speaker 2: But you know the thing that do you think?
Speaker 1: Because you know on Instagram there's a pretty great account
Speaker 1: for in just like that, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Like all leading up to the season, I feel as
Speaker 1: the as a fan, as a viewer, we're kind of.
Speaker 3: Getting you're seeing it, and I think we you know,
Speaker 3: you have to do that now if you're a show
Speaker 3: that shoots on the streets all the time, so now
Speaker 3: with phones with cameras, everybody shooting what we're doing anyway,
Speaker 3: so you have to also have to figure out how
Speaker 3: to wrangle all that and have it be our offerings
Speaker 3: as well as the public's offerings. So that's active. And
Speaker 3: I have an Instagram account and I'm you know, I
Speaker 3: always I have a very conflicted relationship with how to
Speaker 3: use that, and you know what it is, I think
Speaker 3: I just always. There's so many things I want to
Speaker 3: talk about. There's things that are personal and not business oriented.
Speaker 3: But because I didn't start off an Instagram account promoting work,
Speaker 3: it feels harder for me to do it now, as
Speaker 3: if I'm exploiting any of the followers. But when I
Speaker 3: don't share information about where people are, like why didn't
Speaker 3: you share that? So it's a little harder for me
Speaker 3: than it is for other people who just began always
Speaker 3: business business business business, and the two were mixed and
Speaker 3: the lines weren't blurred. It was just like, this is
Speaker 3: part of my life. So I try to post about
Speaker 3: the show or about my wine or my fragrance or
Speaker 3: shoes or books or whatever it is. But I'm glad
Speaker 3: that we have official accounts too where you can direct
Speaker 3: people because it feels working.
Speaker 2: How you felt about that, It's hard. I thought, oh,
Speaker 2: is this official? Is it not?
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's official through h Max now, And then we
Speaker 3: have an amazing one that is run through our costume department,
Speaker 3: which is incredible.
Speaker 2: I know that one.
Speaker 3: It's called I think, and just like that costumes. Okay,
Speaker 3: and the Max one is great too, But costumes is
Speaker 3: a kind of deeply personal it's sort of it has
Speaker 3: a sort of in real time, and it's Molly Rogers
Speaker 3: who is our costume designer, and Danny who is again costumes.
Speaker 1: Go, yeah, do you find you know? I spoke to
Speaker 1: Scarlet had lunch with me Johansson.
Speaker 3: It was so great.
Speaker 1: Scarlett would say how difficult it is to shoot on
Speaker 1: the streets of New York City. And alternately, when she
Speaker 1: sees a crew shooting and it gets hurt, even when
Speaker 1: it's like not her, she gets queezy.
Speaker 2: But also.
Speaker 3: Funny.
Speaker 1: I don't mean that no, but what it evokes for
Speaker 1: people like yourself. I know that happens to you. How
Speaker 1: difficult is it to get through a take?
Speaker 3: I mean, on a practical level, it's hard because the
Speaker 3: crowd control is an issue. So if you're shooting a
Speaker 3: scene on Perry Street, for instance, and there's four hundred
Speaker 3: five hundred people, you have to first of all get
Speaker 3: equipment through there, and then you're asking everyone please, you know,
Speaker 3: be quiet, what we call action. No cameras, no shutters,
Speaker 3: no response to the scene, because now they're just witnessed
Speaker 3: like you're in a priscenium stage, you know, like a theater.
Speaker 3: More complicated than that because the crowds tend to be
Speaker 3: really cooperative, sweet they're excited to be there. Some are
Speaker 3: New Yorkers, some are and some people just hanging out.
Speaker 3: I mean as equal to the street people are the
Speaker 3: people that are out hanging out their windows in their apartments,
Speaker 3: fire escapes, crazy leaning out. But it's the paparazzi that
Speaker 3: is a more complicated affair because you can hear their
Speaker 3: shutters and it can ruin a take. And they are
Speaker 3: because you don't own the streets. You get a permit,
Speaker 3: but we don't dictate sidewalks. To some degree, we have
Speaker 3: a footprint, but they are typically right next to the
Speaker 3: lens or right over the shoulder of the person whom
Speaker 3: you're playing opposite in a scene, so they are in
Speaker 3: your eyeline all the time, and some are doing it
Speaker 3: purposefully and some are That's kind of where they've found
Speaker 3: themselves because they've watched rehearsal. They know what the scene is.
Speaker 3: And that's really hard, and that's taken a really it's
Speaker 3: been years and years and years of that, and some
Speaker 3: of them are more provocative than others. But I think
Speaker 3: it's just that is our cross to bear, and we
Speaker 3: sort of have to make peace with it, and I
Speaker 3: struggle with a little bit. But what are you going
Speaker 3: to do? I mean, we can't be inside. We don't
Speaker 3: want to be inside. We want to be on the
Speaker 3: streets of New York and we want to be active
Speaker 3: and we want to be able to still have scenes
Speaker 3: that are excited, you know, and interesting and dramatic and
Speaker 3: funny and absurd.
Speaker 1: So you just say, it's such an important character. Ye
Speaker 1: you made that way back when. I mean, and your
Speaker 1: love of New York and you know, and Matthew's love
Speaker 1: of New York, your husband and my love like that
Speaker 1: for the show. That's key and when you're watching you
Speaker 1: guys walk down the street, is it's magical.
Speaker 3: Thank you, We love it. And I will say the
Speaker 3: way that it works is an incredible a d department
Speaker 3: as well as our crew who were just really used
Speaker 3: to it, and they're used to the crowds, they're used
Speaker 3: to moving equipment in and out, and there is much
Speaker 3: a part of making it possible as anybody else, like
Speaker 3: as any of our emotional kind of exchanges with it.
Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us on Table for two. Carrie Bradshaw
Speaker 1: is one of the most memorable TV roles of the.
Speaker 2: Past quarter century.
Speaker 1: And over the years, Sarah Jessica has truly brought her life.
Speaker 1: I'm curious what's it like to prepare to play such
Speaker 1: an iconic character. I once watched a documentary on Marilyn
Speaker 1: Monroe and she was talking to I think Susan Strasburg
Speaker 1: at the time, and she was about to go down
Speaker 1: the stairs, and there were all these press and the
Speaker 1: people there, and she said, do you want to see her?
Speaker 2: Watch? When do you want to see her?
Speaker 3: And she Marilyn was talking about herself.
Speaker 1: Talking about herself, and when she went down the stairs,
Speaker 1: she looked at the press and her voice changed, and
Speaker 1: then Marilyn showed up. Is there something in your day
Speaker 1: when you go to work and now you're bringing Carrie
Speaker 1: Bradshaw to life?
Speaker 2: Is there a piece jewelry?
Speaker 1: Is there a moment where you go, Carrie's here, She's
Speaker 1: in the room now?
Speaker 3: Action?
Speaker 2: Action?
Speaker 3: Action? Yeah. I mean you walk to the set, maybe
Speaker 3: up sweatpants, covering part of your outfit because it's twenty
Speaker 3: four degrees and it's February, and you have your own
Speaker 3: tote bag with your books and your phone in it
Speaker 3: and a snack or whatever, and you have maybe a
Speaker 3: parka on over a ball gown right, and gloves and
Speaker 3: you know, silk liners underneath, and then you rehearse and
Speaker 3: then you strip right and the minute that you take
Speaker 3: all of the outer layers off and anything that's keeping
Speaker 3: you comfortable or closer to you because it's for you
Speaker 3: versus for Carrie. The minute I take it off, then
Speaker 3: someone calls action. She's there, Yeah, I mean she isn't
Speaker 3: always there exactly as I want her, because that's the
Speaker 3: nature of acting is It's like you're not a machine.
Speaker 3: So you can't like push a button and say like
Speaker 3: Carrie's set Carrie silly, Carrie confused. Yeah, So she's there
Speaker 3: as much as I can control. But that's when it is.
Speaker 3: It's not before and it's not after.
Speaker 2: Cut interesting, that's really but you have to.
Speaker 3: Have all those layers off to do it, you know,
Speaker 3: and you have to be totally willing to have all
Speaker 3: the things away from you that are comfortable.
Speaker 1: Right, because that would distract from it's.
Speaker 3: Then it's not you're not complete, right. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Were you amazed at the effect that you had in
Speaker 1: New York with style and with women and men in
Speaker 1: the nineties, I really you get you know, you're credited
Speaker 1: and justifiably so for really shifting a whole conversation and
Speaker 1: look and now again. So I guess my question is,
Speaker 1: were you, like, when was there a moment that you
Speaker 1: looked across the street and saw somebody and you're like,
Speaker 1: she's dressed like Carrie Bradshaw.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think over time and I will say that
Speaker 3: really is Pat Field and Mollie Rogers. Originally, you know,
Speaker 3: Pat was our original custom designer, as you know, she's incredible.
Speaker 3: Mollie Rogers was there from day one of the original show.
Speaker 3: So I think what we all recognized the ways in
Speaker 3: which the show was influencing life, whether it was the
Speaker 3: flower you know, or the Carrie name plate yep, or
Speaker 3: you know, walking down the street with two purses versus one,
Speaker 3: or two pocketbooks versus one pocketbook, or or you'd start
Speaker 3: to see young women gathered four and five on a
Speaker 3: Sunday for brunch, right and you'd just see more of it,
Speaker 3: or groups of women walking. You'd see a kind of
Speaker 3: emotional life that wasn't as visible in certain ways. But
Speaker 3: the clothes had a huge impact. And I think that
Speaker 3: was because Pat never and Molly Patt they know, I
Speaker 3: ever felt that they had to answer to anybody or apologize.
Speaker 3: I'll speak specifically to Carrie, who has a very specific
Speaker 3: relationship with fashion as well vintage. So I think, you know,
Speaker 3: there were lots of hits, and there were, in many
Speaker 3: people's opinion, lots of misses, and to us, none of
Speaker 3: it was a mistake. Like you had. You had to
Speaker 3: take an approach and be totally monogamous to an aesthetic idea.
Speaker 3: And when you do that, like in anything, it's arresting.
Speaker 3: You know, if somebody writes a book and uses a
Speaker 3: voice that you've never read before, everybody's going to talk
Speaker 3: about it. Or think of early images on MTV and
Speaker 3: what made us all stop and watch a video a
Speaker 3: hundred times? You know, music, architecture, you know, anything anything
Speaker 3: that feels from bush unique and yet unseen, but not arbitrarily.
Speaker 3: So you can't just be ridiculous, because you can be
Speaker 3: and it really doesn't look like there's any point of
Speaker 3: view or perspective. It looks just like you're trying to
Speaker 3: be controversial exactly. So I feel like the things that
Speaker 3: were influential were because they were a real choice. And
Speaker 3: then you you know, you know, in the beginning, I've
Speaker 3: told destroy many times that we didn't have anything. In
Speaker 3: the beginning, nobody would loan us anything. We were getting
Speaker 3: most of Carrie's wardrobe from vintage and consignment shops and
Speaker 3: Century twenty one. Occasionally we could afford a dress off
Speaker 3: the rack at a finer department store like Sacks.
Speaker 2: But that was very rare for the Plaza.
Speaker 3: That was the most expensive dress they ever bought. It
Speaker 3: was a Christian dey or simple sheath dress. I've heard
Speaker 3: it was every anywhere from six hundred to eight hundred dollars.
Speaker 3: But that would have been like, yeah, you'd be making
Speaker 3: decisions then okay, well if you do, we get that,
Speaker 3: then we can't have that. Like that wasn't alone. That
Speaker 3: was a blue chase.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: What I think about with you is just how you
Speaker 1: live your life. And you do live your life just
Speaker 1: like smartly and like you're a self made human that.
Speaker 2: Has been working her whole life.
Speaker 1: And I think that there's an appreciation for what you have,
Speaker 1: what you've earned. You've imparted that with your children, and
Speaker 1: that's important because it's easy not.
Speaker 3: To and well you're I mean, I think all of
Speaker 3: us are making similar choices. We're trying to, you know,
Speaker 3: for a bunch of reasons. Whether it's because you always
Speaker 3: think you're going to be poor, you always think you're
Speaker 3: going to be broke, you know, some of us think
Speaker 3: like that, or we're worried we will be Also because
Speaker 3: you don't want to blow through money foolishly and spend
Speaker 3: it on things that don't really add up over time.
Speaker 3: And also you want your children to understand what it
Speaker 3: means to earn money, what it takes to earn money,
Speaker 3: and the value of it, and that they the expectations
Speaker 3: will be the same for them. You know. Colly Parton
Speaker 3: said that when she was growing up, she always had
Speaker 3: let me say this, I think she not didn't set
Speaker 3: this about growing up. I think maybe in terms of
Speaker 3: someone will correct this quote, but it was either about
Speaker 3: taking care of family, nieces and nephews, or the way
Speaker 3: she was raised. And I can't remember, so forget me.
Speaker 3: But she always she said, you always have everything you need,
Speaker 3: but not everything you want. And I can't remember about
Speaker 3: what she could who she was talking about, but I
Speaker 3: think it's a great way of living for children that
Speaker 3: there needs are meant to be fed and safe and loved,
Speaker 3: and you know the important things in life, you know,
Speaker 3: books and food and interesting experiences, and they're warm in
Speaker 3: the winter and cool as they But they should be
Speaker 3: kind for things. They should want things, and we should also,
Speaker 3: I think, be interested in how do they contribute to
Speaker 3: the things at a certain point exactly.
Speaker 1: You know, to Ava to recently like she's at the
Speaker 1: age where I'm like, you know, okay, if you want
Speaker 1: something now you have to figure out how to contribute
Speaker 1: to purchasing. You know. The ease of Amazon and the
Speaker 1: ease of a telephone makes things very easy, and sometimes.
Speaker 3: You forget how the how got There is a gorgeous
Speaker 3: is it good?
Speaker 2: The Gannette? The burger perfect?
Speaker 3: I might have you, honestly, do just a little box
Speaker 3: inside the column just about the burger. You know what
Speaker 3: I mean? Because I promised editors that it would be
Speaker 3: more fish because of the location. But I might since
Speaker 3: the burger here is so good, we might just do
Speaker 3: a box. Since I the column. Please leave the stuff
Speaker 3: at about the column? Have I said that already?
Speaker 2: You are an avid reader? You have an imprint you.
Speaker 1: I just got a book that you send which I
Speaker 1: have not yet started.
Speaker 3: And Paradise, Yes, great, it's just got a beautiful review
Speaker 3: The New York times just this morning when you're picking.
Speaker 2: Up Wow, yeah, congratulations.
Speaker 3: Yeah to the writer writer Alia Chang.
Speaker 1: But also like I mean you aren't you picked right?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you pick both. But yes, I mean you've
Speaker 1: always been a bookie, which I love. And because with
Speaker 1: my mother, really she was a librarian.
Speaker 3: She wasn't although actually she said she'd always wish that
Speaker 3: she had gotten her degree, you know, as a librarian,
Speaker 3: which is a very hard degree to get, very I
Speaker 3: do not very hard degree to get really, but she
Speaker 3: was an educator. She had her she's a graduate in
Speaker 3: she was you know, her specialty was early childhood education.
Speaker 3: But she taught up Yeah, so she taught up to
Speaker 3: second grade and then she stopped after I was born.
Speaker 3: I'm one of eight kids, so she and I'm the
Speaker 3: fourth of the eighth. But my mom always my mother
Speaker 3: never let us leave the house without something to read.
Speaker 3: And that meant even when we couldn't read, So we
Speaker 3: would be in the car with picture books or books
Speaker 3: that had words and we were not able to read them,
Speaker 3: she said, make up, make up your own story, and
Speaker 3: she would do the same. She would take us to
Speaker 3: this was in Cincinnati, Ohio. We had an incredible library there,
Speaker 3: and but she would also take us to the symphony
Speaker 3: and the opera and the ballet and art museums, and
Speaker 3: we always had a book. And symphony to a very
Speaker 3: young child, forgive me, is very boring, but she would
Speaker 3: let us have a book, so we would be hearing
Speaker 3: this beautiful music and then we'd be looking at a
Speaker 3: book in the sament and art museum. You know, we
Speaker 3: get bored walking around and you're tired, you're little. Yeah,
Speaker 3: she just say just sit on that bench. You've got
Speaker 3: your book. Every now and then look around, see that
Speaker 3: beautiful painting.
Speaker 2: Online, like holy moly.
Speaker 3: And there came a point in our lives as young
Speaker 3: adults where it just became our choice to not leave
Speaker 3: the house without a book or something to read, something
Speaker 3: to read. The idea of being stuck somewhere for two
Speaker 3: minutes or two hours or two months. Sometimes they see
Speaker 3: people get on the plane and there's nothing in their hands.
Speaker 3: There is nothing in their hands.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, I'm like, what are you gonna do?
Speaker 3: What you could do?
Speaker 2: Right? And it's valuable time.
Speaker 3: And I don't mean a phone, because that's the sad
Speaker 3: thing is most people are looking at their phones, but
Speaker 3: like it just stuns me that you could. And by
Speaker 3: the way, listening to a book too, like anything that
Speaker 3: makes an experience your own, versus the way we all
Speaker 3: get information now, which is kind of siloed, like we're
Speaker 3: all getting from the same source. But books take you,
Speaker 3: LL swear, they transport you. You learn about other cultures,
Speaker 3: other religions and their tribes, their villages and their countries, other.
Speaker 1: Food and just you know, you said, we last summer,
Speaker 1: we were meeting for dinner and you were running just
Speaker 1: a little late, and you said, and you knew you
Speaker 1: were running mates, and you said, bring a book. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was like, bring a book. And now I don't
Speaker 1: know if I would have brought a book, but I
Speaker 1: brought a book. I brought the book I was reading,
Speaker 1: and it was like it was like never alone, never alone.
Speaker 2: And you can also kind of avoid it.
Speaker 3: I wish we You know, you grew up in New
Speaker 3: York and it was so great. I know you were
Speaker 3: on subways early in the morning, and we all had
Speaker 3: our bus pass and stuff like that. But I mean,
Speaker 3: and and buses too, like city buses. I thought there
Speaker 3: was to me, there was nothing greater than getting on
Speaker 3: a bus or a subway early early morning, and people
Speaker 3: got their New York Times out, and you know those
Speaker 3: people that knew how to fold the Times, and how
Speaker 3: about the people that wore the gloves? Yes, because of
Speaker 3: the newsprints right exactly. And people you could smell people's colognes.
Speaker 3: People hair were wet from the showers. You could smell
Speaker 3: like what they shampooed. And you'd look around and you'd
Speaker 3: be like, oh my god, what is that book. I've
Speaker 3: never seen that book. You've be talking to people, what
Speaker 3: is that book? What are you reading? What are you reading?
Speaker 1: And everyone was sort of present because people didn't have
Speaker 1: things in the rs.
Speaker 3: Because it makes if you see a book on a
Speaker 3: subway car or a newspaper, it's just shocking. I mean,
Speaker 3: and you're like, oh my god, look someone's reading. I'm like, Matthew,
Speaker 3: looks someone's reading a book.
Speaker 1: Sarah, Jessica and Matthew are avid subway writers, like you're.
Speaker 2: It's the smartest way I know that.
Speaker 1: You know people that surprises people sometimes, but New York
Speaker 1: is that kind of city. And you also soak in
Speaker 1: like when you're like, yeah, what are your And I
Speaker 1: love to walk so like I'll walk forever in New
Speaker 1: York just to soak it a reason to walk, right,
Speaker 1: what a given sort of Sarah Jessica has no work,
Speaker 1: which is a very rare day.
Speaker 2: What is like a day for you that you enjoy
Speaker 2: in the city.
Speaker 3: Ideally, Yeah, I'm very bad about getting out of the house.
Speaker 3: Once I'm out, it's fine, but I can think of
Speaker 3: a million things to do in the house. But ideally
Speaker 3: I would, you know, have my head bones on early walking, walking,
Speaker 3: listening to a podcast, listening to WNYC Brian Lair, who's
Speaker 3: like one of my most favorite on air personality hosts,
Speaker 3: thoughtful thinkers. But podcasts are a great friend because you
Speaker 3: can't read, and I don't listen to books. So then
Speaker 3: maybe I would jump on a train and I would
Speaker 3: take the train with my book and I go to Chinatown,
Speaker 3: you know, have some dumplings, have some lunch, have some noodles,
Speaker 3: some vegetables. Then I would for sure maybe walk home
Speaker 3: from Chinatown listening which I do, I don't. I mean,
Speaker 3: I've been to Chinatown and I say three or four
Speaker 3: times in the last two months, because I love it.
Speaker 2: You've always loved it.
Speaker 3: Love it, I would say. Then I could make a
Speaker 3: pit stop at the Whitney on the way back, see
Speaker 3: what's going on there. That's like an ideal day, you.
Speaker 2: Know, wrapping you home in the afternoon to them maybe.
Speaker 3: The kids are coming home from school, or maybe I
Speaker 3: can take care of some stuff or some calls, or.
Speaker 2: Cook dinner.
Speaker 3: We cook every night. We cook every night. It's a
Speaker 3: source of a huge amount of pride for everybody. But
Speaker 3: it's also like mystifying because we just don't order in
Speaker 3: as a family, and on the rare occasion we have,
Speaker 3: we we always here. Like other families, they do it
Speaker 3: and then like one kid orders from this place, and
Speaker 3: when it's so confusing.
Speaker 1: Everyone's now postmating their own meals in. It's insane.
Speaker 3: But we really do cook five to six nights a week,
Speaker 3: for sure. We try to. We we have always have
Speaker 3: a Sunday dinner. We invite people. We often go on
Speaker 3: Sundays to Jeans. Do you know Jeans? I don't, Oh
Speaker 3: my gosh, we go to Jeans. It's on Eleventh between
Speaker 3: fifth and sixth closer to six thousand year.
Speaker 2: I live right around from there and I've never been.
Speaker 3: It's a neighborhood establishment's been owned by the same family
Speaker 3: since the mid seven Two brothers now two brothers own it.
Speaker 3: It's one of the most It is the portrait of
Speaker 3: a local restaurant. It's Italian food. If you walk in there,
Speaker 3: you are bound to see at least five or seven
Speaker 3: of the same people you see every time you go there.
Speaker 3: It's a beautiful, low ceiling room. You walk down some
Speaker 3: old beat up marble steps. There is a bar that
Speaker 3: greets you right in the front that is one of
Speaker 3: the most beautiful little bars ever that It's just one
Speaker 3: big back room with the most lovely servers. I have
Speaker 3: the same thing every time, and I always talk with
Speaker 3: the kids like I'm like, when am I gonna order someone,
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna You're gonna get the vil pacata extra
Speaker 3: large order. You're gonna get a side order of the
Speaker 3: apasta palmadoro. And we go around the table. Everybody knows
Speaker 3: what we're gonna order. What's papa, what's Papa gonna order?
Speaker 3: Shrimp diavolo. You know it's it's just a friendly place.
Speaker 2: I know exactly where it is.
Speaker 3: We'll talk to you, they come up to the table,
Speaker 3: they catch up. Yeah. And then another place that we
Speaker 3: love is La Repai. You know it. It's been on
Speaker 3: Hudson for forty years. It's Hudson just across basically from
Speaker 3: Bleeker Street Park.
Speaker 2: Okay, it's an old French restaurant, yep.
Speaker 3: But that's like our family thing. And we'll say, like
Speaker 3: we call Victor and Victor Barbon and be like, oh,
Speaker 3: Victor's alone in town, Victor will come for dinner, or
Speaker 3: Jeffrey Hickey whoever.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you have you, you and Matthew you have you know,
Speaker 1: your tribe, and it's such a beautiful tribe.
Speaker 2: And over the years, you know you're a part of it.
Speaker 2: You are no thank you, no, no yours.
Speaker 1: I feel I know, but and I feel like I'm
Speaker 1: about I feel like we all have we share something.
Speaker 3: Very specially Matthew leaves you, he's like he just loves
Speaker 3: you so much.
Speaker 2: He is, Yeah, he really loves you. That's that means
Speaker 2: a lot to me.
Speaker 3: And you lived here, you'd be at Jeans every Sunday too, thank.
Speaker 2: You, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 1: And I love that in the sense of the family
Speaker 1: and the Sunday night and the rituals, like this is
Speaker 1: all we got, like you know what I mean. So
Speaker 1: it's like and the kids then they're gone before you
Speaker 1: know it, and they're in their world and you just
Speaker 1: hope that. Okay, So these are really important moments.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: One of the reasons I come out here because my
Speaker 1: parents are here and my sister's here, so just to
Speaker 1: make sure we do connect with Yeah.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, and it's not always perfect. There's always at least
Speaker 3: one fight over this one.
Speaker 2: Like the other. Yes, they're in the shower. I was like,
Speaker 2: I can't breathe. I can't breathe in this house.
Speaker 1: This how I maybe I haven't breathed in this house
Speaker 1: for over twenty years.
Speaker 3: It's possible I haven't taken a deep breath.
Speaker 2: Yeah, seriously, Welcome back to Table for two. Sarah. Jessica
Speaker 2: has been a close friend for years.
Speaker 1: But there's a story about us that I've never told her,
Speaker 1: and well, I'm just gonna come out and finally tell her.
Speaker 1: So I want to share with you a story that
Speaker 1: is you don't know the story. It's one of the
Speaker 1: most embarrassing moments of my life. What it happened with you?
Speaker 1: And it is and I'm gonna tell you quickly because
Speaker 1: this is about this lunch is about you.
Speaker 2: But you ate all yeah, yeah you did, but you
Speaker 2: should because you love it.
Speaker 3: Oh my God, No, there's a big literally, there's a
Speaker 3: claw left. Take a picture from my editor. Hold on, click.
Speaker 1: Click, okay, just quickly. I was a page at NBC
Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety. I moved out to LA. I was
Speaker 1: just a super you know, big fan. LA story comes out,
Speaker 1: you guys to cast LA. Story is on pheladwa you.
Speaker 1: I had worked as a page on the show in
Speaker 1: New York You want yep. I was in the audience
Speaker 1: with my friend Stephanie.
Speaker 3: As a page or as a civilian.
Speaker 2: As a civilian. Now in La, you guys are all there,
Speaker 2: and I just came to LA.
Speaker 1: He did a week of shows in La. Wow, you
Speaker 1: guys were doing press. I am the story.
Speaker 3: And Steve Martin and me and Victoria Tenant and the
Speaker 3: guy yes Richard.
Speaker 2: Yes, all of you lined up in your chairs.
Speaker 3: Were we swiveling? Were they swivel chairs?
Speaker 4: Like?
Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, they were.
Speaker 1: And it's a story that goes nowhere with the exception
Speaker 1: of just I finally feel like I have.
Speaker 2: To just get this off my chest. Stephanie is sitting
Speaker 2: next to me.
Speaker 1: I raised to ask a question for Sarah Jessica with
Speaker 1: no question, but just wanted to connect.
Speaker 2: So I raised my hand. The guy could go with
Speaker 2: the mic. I always want take the mic because I'm
Speaker 2: a pushy person.
Speaker 1: Stephanie looked at me and I'm uttering nothing. I mean
Speaker 1: stuttering and uttering.
Speaker 2: You look at me. You have face.
Speaker 1: Guys, you tell it like to the right, like what
Speaker 1: is he? What is this person doing? She has gone
Speaker 1: under her seat. I was mortified.
Speaker 2: She couldn't stop me and I'm I have tears in
Speaker 2: my eyes.
Speaker 3: The machine.
Speaker 1: But I just wanted you to know that's how far.
Speaker 1: That's the moment that I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: this is connection.
Speaker 3: You did ask a question.
Speaker 2: Eventually something came because we saw.
Speaker 3: In a statement like you're on TV. I have a
Speaker 3: question for.
Speaker 2: No, Yeah, you're in a chair. That story is now over.
Speaker 3: I just had to finally, that's very touching. Wow.
Speaker 1: The other tradition that I have in my house is
Speaker 1: family stone and I'll say it over and over again.
Speaker 1: And I actually posted it on Instagram when I watched
Speaker 1: it at Christmas time, and Diane Keaton on my feed
Speaker 1: she's a beautiful movie, beautiful, You're incredible.
Speaker 3: Watching her work on that movie was really why incredible
Speaker 3: because you know, I think we did First Wives Club
Speaker 3: before that movie and positive ready. So I had worked
Speaker 3: with her minimally because I don't have I don't think
Speaker 3: my character had a lot of scenes with her, but
Speaker 3: you know, I just think she's incredible, and so I had,
Speaker 3: you know, I was on the set with her a lot.
Speaker 3: We rehearsed a lot, first of all, which was really
Speaker 3: interesting and very I was really, really nervous. But watching
Speaker 3: her work is a very interesting experience. She's really good,
Speaker 3: she's very she has a process that's very real and
Speaker 3: very committed to. She always has headphones on with a
Speaker 3: i'm gonna say a disc man. Really, even at the
Speaker 3: time was retro. She's listening to music up until the
Speaker 3: director calls action something I'm sure that is specific to
Speaker 3: a scene or an emotion, and so she takes the
Speaker 3: headphones off and puts them down someplace or hands them
Speaker 3: off to somebody. And she is different every time. I mean,
Speaker 3: appropriately for the scene. She's not not telling the story,
Speaker 3: but she's very you know, for all of her laughter
Speaker 3: and the way she's on a talk show, which is
Speaker 3: funny and unpredictable and kind of deeply honest and shocking
Speaker 3: in her transparency. But she's just so freaking good. So
Speaker 3: to watch her do her work like that, because you
Speaker 3: don't understand how somebody who appears so effortlessly real on screen,
Speaker 3: you know, she's not so bad. It was just very
Speaker 3: I was like, oh, so you can you can be
Speaker 3: a serious person on the set. You can not talk
Speaker 3: to people when you don't need to talk to people.
Speaker 3: You can be you know, focused and quiet and kind
Speaker 3: of private, like if someone has headphones on, you're not
Speaker 3: going to bother them, right, And it wasn't unsocial. It
Speaker 3: was serious, but it was it wasn't hostile, do you know.
Speaker 3: I mean like there was no one around her keeping
Speaker 3: you from talking to her. But it was incredible to
Speaker 3: watch her work. And she's just magnificent.
Speaker 1: Your business life is so profound. I mean the fragrance
Speaker 1: is to shoes the No Shoe store, which is beautiful
Speaker 1: on Perry Street, gorgeous. What was that experience like and
Speaker 1: being in the hot that side of hospitality where you're
Speaker 1: selling your shoes to a customer and putting them on
Speaker 1: their foot.
Speaker 2: How is like?
Speaker 1: Again, people would be like, really, but it's beautiful as well.
Speaker 3: It's the same. Honestly, you know this, you can describe
Speaker 3: it just as well. It's exact same thing as what
Speaker 3: you did at your family restaurant for your entire life.
Speaker 3: It's taking care of the customer. What does that mean everything.
Speaker 3: It's from the smallest, littlest thing to the most important
Speaker 3: to the stuff that's more obviously big. So you're on
Speaker 3: your hands and knees, putting shoes on people, taking them off,
Speaker 3: read running back to the stock room, trying to get
Speaker 3: what they need, trying to find what they need if
Speaker 3: we don't have it looking online, you know, making sure
Speaker 3: we can do a special order for this one who's
Speaker 3: leaving town, who flights at five o'clock. Whatever it takes
Speaker 3: to meet the customer's needs, requests, and then ten steps
Speaker 3: beyond that. You never you never stop at that. You
Speaker 3: go well beyond that, you know. So that's what it
Speaker 3: is to have a store. It's like it's like inviting
Speaker 3: someone into your home and then saying, you know, find
Speaker 3: the towels. I know you've never been here yourself, but
Speaker 3: good luck, you know, find the towels, and there's some
Speaker 3: spices in that room over there. You know, you can't
Speaker 3: do that customstly.
Speaker 1: You're the kind of professional person that if you're going
Speaker 1: to put anything that is about your name on something.
Speaker 1: It is going to reflect quality elegance, So like you
Speaker 1: being able to go into the store, work in the store,
Speaker 1: or just go buy that store to make sure.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, how does it look?
Speaker 1: Is it creat Are the shoes placed the way they
Speaker 1: that we wanted this season's shoes.
Speaker 2: To look correct?
Speaker 1: Very important time and for people that work not to
Speaker 1: always know.
Speaker 2: It's just part of the part of the drill.
Speaker 1: Were you blown away that you created a drink that
Speaker 1: is worldwide known and associated with Kerry Bradshaw.
Speaker 3: Well, I you know, I didn't create it. I had
Speaker 3: nothing to do with it. I know that when we
Speaker 3: first started drinking them on the show, the ones on
Speaker 3: the show were that kind of cosmopolitan that you later
Speaker 3: learn are not the good ones. They were first of all,
Speaker 3: ours weren't real. They were cranberry juice and water. But
Speaker 3: there is You can go to a bar and be
Speaker 3: served a cosmopolitan that is like just cranberry juice. You
Speaker 3: know what, It's like, almost Bordeaux colored. It's like a
Speaker 3: pinky kind of Bordeaux or ferry color. So I never
Speaker 3: drank cobs and Politans. I thought they were terrible. You're drink,
Speaker 3: So it was years and years, I would people would
Speaker 3: send them over to me so kindly. People would send
Speaker 3: them over and I would say thank you and raise
Speaker 3: the glass and take a sip and think like, what
Speaker 3: is the what it's all the fuss about? And then
Speaker 3: one day I was somewhere and someone sent a Cosmopolitan
Speaker 3: over and it was opaque, pale, pink, fleshy, like you
Speaker 3: could see the a little bit of pulp of whatever
Speaker 3: citrus had been used with a twist, freezing cold. And
Speaker 3: I was like, oh, this is a Cosmopolitan. I get
Speaker 3: it now and I love them now. And that's been
Speaker 3: I would say, I really started drinking Cosmopolitans that I
Speaker 3: chose on my own and would order I'm going to
Speaker 3: say like six seven years ago, and I love them.
Speaker 3: I don't know that we ever expected from the show,
Speaker 3: from drinking them that it would turn into a thing.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 1: I mean that, I think just again testament to all
Speaker 1: the touch points and the power of the show in
Speaker 1: the zeitgeist of the moment that people were like, oh
Speaker 1: and the creation of Carrie Bradshaw that with the influence
Speaker 1: that this.
Speaker 3: Character had, Yeah, that funny. You can't think about these
Speaker 3: things too much, and you can't try to write.
Speaker 2: Right, you can't create them.
Speaker 3: It has to be from the story and true, or
Speaker 3: it just looks like you're just trying to make a moment.
Speaker 1: I mean, if you're trying to achieve the end result,
Speaker 1: you're gonnat that you can't.
Speaker 2: You got it.
Speaker 3: It's I always say, like, you can't start with a
Speaker 3: result and then write kind of into it backwards like that.
Speaker 3: It's just awful.
Speaker 1: Sarah Jessica and I have had such a fun and
Speaker 1: delicious lunch today.
Speaker 2: Thank you all for pulling up a chair. I hope
Speaker 2: you have two.
Speaker 1: But as our time together comes to an end, I
Speaker 1: want to congratulate Sarah Jessica on twenty five years of
Speaker 1: Sex in the City and hear her thoughts about its
Speaker 1: continued success. We sort of are wrapping up our lunch spark,
Speaker 1: and I just want to say, I like everyone's listening.
Speaker 1: There's like a lot of stuff for you to, like,
Speaker 1: I hope, lean into when it comes to Sarah Jessica Parker,
Speaker 1: which is not just and just like that, which is
Speaker 1: congratulations so good. I mean, it's just amazing, and you know,
Speaker 1: I love it.
Speaker 3: And thanks to everybody who's been watching it and who
Speaker 3: has been part of the family of it for so long.
Speaker 3: You know, we just celebrated the twenty fifth anniversary of
Speaker 3: Sex and City, and it's hard to try to communicate
Speaker 3: or articulate the kind of I always use the word gratitude,
Speaker 3: but for the the gratitude that we feel for the
Speaker 3: people who have chosen to keep us in their lives.
Speaker 3: You know, we weren't on a free television station. People
Speaker 3: made choices about how they were going to spend the
Speaker 3: time and how are they were going to spend their money,
Speaker 3: to be honest, and kept us in their lives for
Speaker 3: twenty five years and have joined us on this next
Speaker 3: chapter with such enthusiasm and such spirit and goodwill and excitement.
Speaker 3: And it's obviously the only reason we do it is
Speaker 3: for this audience who has been a point of inspiration
Speaker 3: for us and been loving and hard on us and
Speaker 3: have really high expectations. So it's an honor to try
Speaker 3: to do right by this long relationship.
Speaker 1: Well, it is joyful to watch, and I thank you
Speaker 1: for giving me twenty five years of that and a
Speaker 1: very long real friendship.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, very meaningful. I love you too.
Speaker 3: I love you more than all the other people who
Speaker 3: come on this show. I know you better, I love
Speaker 3: you more.
Speaker 2: You know what, it's very back at you. It's a
Speaker 2: context anyway.
Speaker 3: Everyone's like, oh, you don't know.
Speaker 2: Don't forget to go online read the review of the.
Speaker 3: Gannette and it Typically I've got a couple people on vacation.
Speaker 3: My editor on holiday for a couple of days, typically
Speaker 3: takes the weekend, which I want to give him because
Speaker 3: you know, you're on twenty four to seven when you're
Speaker 3: in the newspaper business. So I'll make sure your followers
Speaker 3: know how to win it posts.
Speaker 2: Yeah, bom, some of you guys still.
Speaker 3: Get the hard copies of your local newspapers and you
Speaker 3: know who you are.
Speaker 2: Anyway, Thank you for listening today on Table for two.
Speaker 2: You got it.
Speaker 3: Love you Smokey, how fun?
Speaker 2: I Love you too.
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