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Speaker 1: are going to hear a little bit more about gifted programs,
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Speaker 2: with this first one. Hey, Matt Nol and the one
Speaker 2: they call Ben. This is Big Bean, and I've got
Speaker 2: some more terrifying technological news to tell you guys about. Recently,
Speaker 2: I heard about a new cool use for our little
Speaker 2: algorithmic friends we call AI and their new expansion into
Speaker 2: the US military scene. That sounds great, Big Bean, I
Speaker 2: can't wait for all of us to think about this
Speaker 2: in the next few minutes.
Speaker 3: Here we go so stooked.
Speaker 2: There are new unmanned drones like the XQ fifty eight Valkyrie,
Speaker 2: which are being tested to have a new kind of
Speaker 2: pilot based off of a new AI system called the Skyborg.
Speaker 2: What Skyborg? You're telling me? Somebody in the military took
Speaker 2: Skynet and the Borg, smashed it together and is making
Speaker 2: an AI system for unmanned military planes called the Skyborg.
Speaker 1: That's a way more creative that I assumed, Matt, because
Speaker 1: I thought there was literally some guys sitting around and going,
Speaker 1: you know, like a cyborg. But in the air, we.
Speaker 2: Could call it probably, that's probably, we.
Speaker 1: Could call it the abot.
Speaker 3: Is it the abot?
Speaker 2: Oh? Lord, they know not what they do. Okay, let's
Speaker 2: continue on with Big Bean here. From what I've been
Speaker 2: able to gather, the Skyborg AI program is one that
Speaker 2: is being developed by the US Air Force to pilot
Speaker 2: numerous unmanned drones in an attempt to make an autonomous
Speaker 2: military aircraft which would act mostly as an armed escort
Speaker 2: drone for manned aircraft or for high risk missions where
Speaker 2: there's the potential for losing human lives I mean soldiers'
Speaker 2: lives now when it's too great, Okay. I thought you
Speaker 2: guys would find this interesting and in no way could
Speaker 2: lead to anything like Skynet at all. I can't wait
Speaker 2: to hear all's thoughts on this. Best regards Big Bean,
Speaker 2: the real human and definitely non AI. Trying to gather
Speaker 2: your opinions on digital military dictatorship.
Speaker 4: I think it was I think it was real, but
Speaker 4: who knows these days. It was a tweet from James
Speaker 4: Cameron saying I warned you all about this back in
Speaker 4: nineteen eighty four and you wouldn't listen to me.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Also, okay, big Bean, first off, hats off to
Speaker 1: you human sir, because that is a fantastic name, and
Speaker 1: I look forward to your mixtape. Please make it and
Speaker 1: send it our way. Just having someone yell big Bean
Speaker 1: at the beginning of a beat, come on, right, that's
Speaker 1: that's a little bit.
Speaker 2: Imagine headphones.
Speaker 3: Or like like the watermark, like the DJ college.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, exactly, just so so yeah, this, so, this
Speaker 1: is fascinating. We've actually can't remember if we talked of
Speaker 1: offer on air about some of these unmanned drones, but
Speaker 1: as Corporate America would say, it's a very exciting space
Speaker 1: at the moment, which will of course come to include space.
Speaker 1: The future of space exploration is most likely going to
Speaker 1: be automated heavily. Check out our earlier very weird thought
Speaker 1: experiments on AI and space expansion, but more directly just
Speaker 1: above the ground. You know what I was thinking when
Speaker 1: I heard this letter read this letter, rather, I was
Speaker 1: thinking of how this is the next step in things
Speaker 1: like the Iron dome, right, anti missile anti missile programs.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, so if they were just flying around autonomously
Speaker 2: at all times, kind of like the X thirty seven
Speaker 2: b except in instead of in space, just in the skies,
Speaker 2: patrolling basically borders. It could be like that in the future.
Speaker 2: But right now, guys, this thing is weird. This whole
Speaker 2: program weirds me out. It is what Big Bean is
Speaker 2: talking about. This program is designed to have basically to
Speaker 2: create Goose and the and other wingmen for actual human pilots.
Speaker 2: So imagine a single fighter jet in the sky right this.
Speaker 2: It's got one or two human pilots in it, depending
Speaker 2: on the model. It's just soaring through the air. It's
Speaker 2: got its missiles, it's got as bombs, it's got all
Speaker 2: the armaments it needs. And then imagine just behind it
Speaker 2: and on both sides two autonomous jet fighter looking drones
Speaker 2: that are smaller in stature than the actual jet fighter
Speaker 2: that are basically I don't know. It reminds me of
Speaker 2: old rts like real time strategy games I used to play,
Speaker 2: like Command and Conqueror or some of these other games
Speaker 2: where you would control one unit, but there would be
Speaker 2: a bunch of other units attached to it that are
Speaker 2: pared to it in some kind of way. That's how
Speaker 2: this is supposed to function.
Speaker 3: Or even like you know early.
Speaker 4: What RPG games where you're working in like a party
Speaker 4: and you've got like you're doing your battle and like
Speaker 4: term based kind of gaming, and then you have folks
Speaker 4: that react to you or like yeah, tails and sun.
Speaker 1: I mean that's amazing because again science fiction fantasy, right,
Speaker 1: they when well done, it prefigures real world events. I
Speaker 1: could see this also shout out to anybody from Kratos
Speaker 1: Defense and Security Solutions tuning in. This one's for free, bro.
Speaker 1: You could also take a much smaller version of this
Speaker 1: and apply it to individual soldiers or warfighters as they're
Speaker 1: called now. On the ground, right, you got a small
Speaker 1: backpack that houses let's say, yeah, the houses of Quivera drones, right,
Speaker 1: just like arrows, and some are your eyes in the sky,
Speaker 1: right to avoid you getting your head shot off when
Speaker 1: you look around a corner. Some may carry some armament
Speaker 1: if possible, like you know, way back in the days
Speaker 1: of the DARPA dog and stuff like that. You guys,
Speaker 1: remember one of our first predictions was the next thing
Speaker 1: they're going to do is put a gun on this,
Speaker 1: and they do.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I mean it also like reminds me of
Speaker 4: one of my favorite characters in Borderlands Mordecai who has
Speaker 4: a little herd like drone that he can deploy, you know,
Speaker 4: and then there was another character that had like a
Speaker 4: clone drone that he could also deploy. I mean, sorry,
Speaker 4: there's a million examples of this in gaming, and then
Speaker 4: red Wing.
Speaker 1: In the MCU or for non philistines in the actual
Speaker 1: comic books walk down the street for that one.
Speaker 2: Sorry, guys, no, that's great, man. But at least according
Speaker 2: to official sources from the US Air Force in twenty twenty,
Speaker 2: on Airman dot com or Airmanmagazine dot AF dot mi ILU,
Speaker 2: they were discussing this as an almost R two D
Speaker 2: two like situation where these autonomous wingmen are providing situational
Speaker 2: awareness via various sensors, right, kind of as you were
Speaker 2: talking about there been with you know, a human doing this,
Speaker 2: but in this case it's all in the air, right,
Speaker 2: so as the single fighter pilot is going along, these
Speaker 2: other guys are just providing information. So that's twenty twenty
Speaker 2: as they're talking about it. One of the things that
Speaker 2: Big Bean sent us was an article from twenty twenty.
Speaker 4: Two of a chuckle every time you say the Big
Speaker 4: Bean sent us, Yeah.
Speaker 2: And I'll just give you the title here after successful
Speaker 2: flight tests for Skyborg x Q fifty eight, continuing to evolve,
Speaker 2: I don't like any of that. Stop evolved, Stop.
Speaker 1: Yeah, evolve was definitely an editorial choice there as even
Speaker 1: though they're they're quoting Kreatos. Matt big Bean. One thing
Speaker 1: I loved about this and Noel, I don't know if
Speaker 1: you clocked this as well, you guys in this article,
Speaker 1: big Bean sends us Kratos sounds over the moon, especially
Speaker 1: Jeffrey Harrow, who is senior VP at their Unmanned Systems divisions.
Speaker 2: The defense contractor.
Speaker 1: Yes called Cratos, who shouted out, yes, Kratos from the
Speaker 1: God of War franchise, Yeah, unclear, maybe spelled the same way.
Speaker 1: And that's that's so strange, you know when you imagine
Speaker 1: the calculus behind how defense industry folks choose their names, right, Like,
Speaker 1: wouldn't you want something a little more on the protection
Speaker 1: side versus the whatever? Anyway, So here's the thing that
Speaker 1: stood out to me on this. Guys. They say the
Speaker 1: tests are successful, they're very happy about it, but they
Speaker 1: refuse to say what the test we're testing for or
Speaker 1: when the test happened, So that's vague right, Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: really troubling.
Speaker 2: It's weird because you you've got several different systems in here. Right,
Speaker 2: You've got what's being referred to as the brain of
Speaker 2: the system, right, the operating all of the parts that
Speaker 2: actually operate the vehicles. Then you have the vehicles themselves.
Speaker 2: You can put that brain into another vehicle, as this
Speaker 2: article is stating here, they put it in one of
Speaker 2: these MQ twenty Avengers, which is another type of drone,
Speaker 2: not the XQ fifty eight, So they were able to
Speaker 2: prove the brain works. But then they also are saying
Speaker 2: that those new ones, the XQ fifty eights, had a
Speaker 2: bunch of test flights that were successful, as you said,
Speaker 2: been very vaguely and it's weird to read about. Guys.
Speaker 2: You can head over to airindspaceforces dot com to read
Speaker 2: that article after successful flight tests for Skyborg dot dot
Speaker 2: dot and you'll see basically a bunch of people commenting
Speaker 2: on it basically saying this is great, this is really good,
Speaker 2: like it's so successful and autonomous.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's a valid thing to say because, as
Speaker 1: a big Bean points out, the emphasis is on at
Speaker 1: least ostensibly is on protecting human lives right, And I
Speaker 1: guess we should also say that this is not the
Speaker 1: brain transplant that you're talking about. Met. What's interesting and
Speaker 1: objectively cool about that is the m Q twenty Avenger
Speaker 1: or MQ twenty two Avenger is not made by Kratos.
Speaker 1: It's made by a completely different outfit. So they're showing
Speaker 1: a kind of I can't remember the word for it,
Speaker 1: interoperability would be one. And here's why, it seems like,
Speaker 1: here's why they're so excited over at Kratos because they
Speaker 1: feel that this is well on the way to becoming
Speaker 1: something called a program of record. A program of record
Speaker 1: means that Congress has opened the wallet just for you.
Speaker 1: So if you are a defense contractor, program of record
Speaker 1: is an absolute feather in your cap, which means this
Speaker 1: is happening. By the way, that's basically what this means.
Speaker 1: There are gonna be drones in the sky. There are
Speaker 1: going to be a lot more unidentified flying objects. Because drones,
Speaker 1: especially in the military sector, are proliferating so quickly that
Speaker 1: the average person trying to keep up with this it
Speaker 1: would become your second job. You would have to moonlight
Speaker 1: to keep track of all the all the different stuff.
Speaker 1: Man and I don't know if it's I guess the
Speaker 1: big question is, like you said, what what could go wrong?
Speaker 1: Maybe we talk about that because we've been kind of
Speaker 1: dancing around it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I'll tell you what can go wrong. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what can go wrong.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: There's another article from airinspaceforces dot com. This is from
Speaker 2: May one. Skyborg makes first flight aboard Kratos Mako. Mako
Speaker 2: is another vehicle, a Maco Air vehicle Shark. Yeah, exactly,
Speaker 2: But from this article here's a quote. In August twenty twenty,
Speaker 2: an artificial intelligence program defeated a human pilot in a
Speaker 2: series of fifty simulated dogfights, although the AI was provided
Speaker 2: with information about its opponent's energy state that a true
Speaker 2: adversary would not have, so not exactly sure what that means.
Speaker 2: Also a little vague, what the hell is an energy state? Like?
Speaker 2: Is your opponent tired? Does your opponent have a certain
Speaker 2: amount of fuel left in their system? Anyway, But the
Speaker 2: danger that you're talking about here, Ben, is that the
Speaker 2: AI can help perform a really skilled human pilot. Why
Speaker 2: is that dangerous? Because oh, I don't know. Let's say
Speaker 2: the Skyborg decides it doesn't like an objective for a
Speaker 2: mission or something for some reason or you know, it
Speaker 2: goes off kilter it and then take out the human
Speaker 2: pilots that it's paired with if it has to, Would
Speaker 2: it do that? Could it do that?
Speaker 1: I see?
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know. There's real danger thereat. That's
Speaker 2: what freaks me out. Maybe maybe I'm silly.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's silly. I don't think it's silly
Speaker 1: at all.
Speaker 2: So now, really what they're working on is demonstrating the
Speaker 2: whole what do they call it teamed autonomy. I forget
Speaker 2: exactly how they put it where oh, no, manned unmanned.
Speaker 2: Teaming is the way the military refers to.
Speaker 3: This manned unmanned. How can something be manned and unmanned
Speaker 3: the same well time.
Speaker 2: It's what we talked about at the top Noltes. It's
Speaker 2: one pilot inside a craft an aircraft, and then one
Speaker 2: or three or two or whatever unmanned pilots.
Speaker 3: That are also totally get it.
Speaker 4: I just it's when you say them together like that,
Speaker 4: it sounds like they're meant to be the same thing
Speaker 4: at the same time.
Speaker 3: But there is a manned slash unmanned.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And these drones are not like the ones we
Speaker 2: saw in the Iraq conflict, you know, back in two
Speaker 2: thousand and three, anything like that, Like the predators that
Speaker 2: actually need a human being, you know, controlling them. These
Speaker 2: really are going to be autonomous like R two D two,
Speaker 2: but in their own you know, fighter jet.
Speaker 4: But surely they'll have parameters that are tied to the
Speaker 4: behavior of the manned.
Speaker 2: Vehicle, right I think that's exactly the idea, right, They're
Speaker 2: they're paired in the same way your Bluetooth headset is
Speaker 2: paired to your phone right now, it's the same.
Speaker 3: Okay, Well, yeah, I guess what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: Parameters. I would just imagine again without knowing, you know,
Speaker 4: exact details about this, like there would be it wouldn't
Speaker 4: deviate past certain you know, set standards, you know, wouldn't
Speaker 4: go venture off beyond the reach of the manned vehicle,
Speaker 4: for example.
Speaker 2: I'm sure that's the aim of those creating it, all right,
Speaker 2: but we'll see. Well that's all for this message, Thanks
Speaker 2: so much, Big Bean. Will be right back with more
Speaker 2: messages from you.
Speaker 4: And we're back with another message from you. Yes, you
Speaker 4: in this case that you in question is Alice, who
Speaker 4: gave absolute permission to read this missive and use their name.
Speaker 4: So this is in response to, as Ben mentioned at
Speaker 4: the top of the show, our episode on public schools,
Speaker 4: the history of public schools there perhaps prescribed intent, and
Speaker 4: you know, some of the within that episode we talked
Speaker 4: about some of our own experiences with public schools, ourselves,
Speaker 4: you know, as attendees of said public schools, and also
Speaker 4: some of our kids and the experiences that we've had.
Speaker 4: And I believe I mentioned the idea of gifted programs
Speaker 4: and how oftentimes you aren't going to necessarily be able
Speaker 4: to expect to have a kid taken under their wing
Speaker 4: by a teacher because of how you know, overloaded some
Speaker 4: of these teachers are. And I hope I didn't come
Speaker 4: off as casting any aspersions on particule the teachers. We
Speaker 4: know that teachers are some of the most important crucial
Speaker 4: workers in this country, in any country, and oftentimes in
Speaker 4: schools that are underfunded, there's just too much going on
Speaker 4: and there's often not the ability to give individual attention
Speaker 4: to individual students sometimes, and I know that many teachers
Speaker 4: will go out of their way and stay extra hours
Speaker 4: and sacrifice their own personalized in order to do just that.
Speaker 4: And here is a great example of that being the case.
Speaker 4: And this is sort of a positive, pretty uplifting story
Speaker 4: about a public school experience. I was listening to your
Speaker 4: episode regarding the public school system, and my interest was
Speaker 4: pete when you stated that no one will take your
Speaker 4: child under their wing regarding the gifted program. I wanted
Speaker 4: to relate my son's experience regarding this. When my son
Speaker 4: was in kindergarten in first grade, his teachers remarked that
Speaker 4: they wanted to have him tested for the Gifted and
Speaker 4: Talented program. And again, I do realize that this happens plenty,
Speaker 4: partially just to satisfy their curiosity on how he would
Speaker 4: do as they said he was achieving things far beyond
Speaker 4: his age. His father and I agreed, and he did
Speaker 4: indeed test into the Gifted and Talented program and went
Speaker 4: to a different school for these classes. In second grade, however,
Speaker 4: he did not farewell and suffered a great deal of bullying,
Speaker 4: mostly mental and emotional, with comments like your parents don't
Speaker 4: really love you, etc. Brainy kids cut way deeper than
Speaker 4: basic sticks and stones, and the words did hurt him. Eventually,
Speaker 4: the school stated that he had quote behavioral issues and
Speaker 4: sent him back to his original school, which was in
Speaker 4: a low income area and had very little local funding.
Speaker 4: Once back at his original school, which still had fountains
Speaker 4: with lead pipes and areas unusable due to asbestos, his
Speaker 4: teachers immediately said that they suspected Aspergers. We had him
Speaker 4: tested at Kennedy Kreeger and he was officially diagnosed with
Speaker 4: PD DNS or pervasive developmental disorder not otherwise specified, which
Speaker 4: meant he ticked a lot of the boxes and a
Speaker 4: lot of developmental disorders, but didn't fit any of them perfectly. Later,
Speaker 4: all these disorders became ASD or autism spectrum disorder. Now,
Speaker 4: after taking a gap year following graduation, my son is
Speaker 4: heading off to freshman year of college at Indiana Institute
Speaker 4: of Technology with a merit scholarship and planning to major
Speaker 4: in computer science slash cybersecurity. The low income school he
Speaker 4: started out with in his schooling did everything you can
Speaker 4: imagine to accommodate him. The school literally created a separate
Speaker 4: advanced math class for him and tailored a lot of
Speaker 4: his assignments, as well as suggesting a five h four
Speaker 4: plan for him. Five or four plan is dispensations for
Speaker 4: folks with disabilities. They were nothing short of amazing, and
Speaker 4: he thrives. I can only wish that more schools were
Speaker 4: like this, But most of my friends with children who
Speaker 4: have any kind of behavioral issue, etc. Do nothing but
Speaker 4: struggle to get their schools to offer even the slightest accommodations.
Speaker 4: And here's a surprise, and private schools were the worst,
Speaker 4: blatantly refused to accommodate neurodivergent individuals. This school my son
Speaker 4: attended was Lincoln Elementary and Frederick, Maryland and has since
Speaker 4: built a new school and they are amazing. You absolutely
Speaker 4: again have my permission to read any of this and.
Speaker 3: Use my name.
Speaker 1: Congratulations. Oh heading to college over at Indiana Institute. I
Speaker 1: went to Georgia Tech myself. Very well done. Also well
Speaker 1: well done in choosing computer science and cybersecurity.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, and this just feels like such a success story.
Speaker 4: That's a combination of the parents paying attention and doing
Speaker 4: what they think is right for their kid, and the teachers,
Speaker 4: you know, recognizing some of these issues. And I thought
Speaker 4: it was just so interesting that you know, at the
Speaker 4: gifted program, this child had you know, significant problems because
Speaker 4: of perhaps some lack of accommodations. And I have gone
Speaker 4: through some of this with my own kid, who has
Speaker 4: had some neurodivergent issues in the past, has been classified
Speaker 4: as such, and we have had very very positive results
Speaker 4: with teachers making accommodations and making sure that you know,
Speaker 4: she is able to get the help that she needs
Speaker 4: when she needs it and to have more time on
Speaker 4: tests and things like that, and she herself is also friving. So,
Speaker 4: you know, I hope any of my comments on that
Speaker 4: episode weren't just unilaterally bashing you know.
Speaker 3: Public schools or schools in you know, with with with.
Speaker 4: Less funding, because oftentimes, as I said at the top,
Speaker 4: we do know that it is in those situations that
Speaker 4: the teachers themselves are often the ones who have to
Speaker 4: really take that burden on, you know, and and make
Speaker 4: more time for these students because they know it's an
Speaker 4: untenable situation. And speaking to the you know, the bullying
Speaker 4: aspect of it, it's something that I see in my
Speaker 4: kids peer group a lot, and I hear horror stories
Speaker 4: about kids that are just psychologically bullied because you can't
Speaker 4: get away with physical bullying anymore, but psychological bullying is
Speaker 4: leave bruises and it's a lot harder to pinpoint, and
Speaker 4: you can tell on a student and have administration do
Speaker 4: something about it quote unquote, and that often will just
Speaker 4: cause the bulliers to be way more covert about it
Speaker 4: and do it and even creepier online.
Speaker 3: Ways or you know what have you.
Speaker 4: And then so you end up with these resulting situations
Speaker 4: where kids are afraid, you know, to turn in their abusers,
Speaker 4: you know, to turn in their bullies. And it's heartbreaking
Speaker 4: and it really does require a lot of really thoughtful
Speaker 4: strategy between parents and teachers and school administrators to keep
Speaker 4: these situations from kind of ballooning out of control. I
Speaker 4: don't know, guys, if you experienced anything along these lines
Speaker 4: with any of your family or loved ones, or you know,
Speaker 4: in your own upbringing, but I did think this was
Speaker 4: a really telling story here.
Speaker 2: I think is amazing that you can still have faith
Speaker 2: in an institution that, you know, maybe doesn't have that
Speaker 2: much funding of a public school least that Alice is
Speaker 2: talking about here, that will do absolutely everything in their
Speaker 2: power of the staff there and the institution itself to
Speaker 2: accommodate somebody who just needs something a little different, right.
Speaker 2: I think that's an incredible thing because often, I think
Speaker 2: when you are looking around let's say, for a place
Speaker 2: to live when you're thinking about having children, or if
Speaker 2: you've got a child who's going to become, you know,
Speaker 2: in that elementary school age, you really do hunt for
Speaker 2: a place that has a quote good school. I think
Speaker 2: it means we need to rearrange what we think a
Speaker 2: good school.
Speaker 4: Is, agreed, absolutely, And I think it's also telling and interesting,
Speaker 4: you know, And something maybe it wouldn't occurred to me
Speaker 4: is some of the observations that Alice made about these
Speaker 4: gifted programs and how perhaps they are a little more
Speaker 4: regimented and maybe a little less willing to make, you know,
Speaker 4: concessions and help students who are quote unquote different, which
Speaker 4: is interesting considering that these programs are are designed for
Speaker 4: kids that are a little.
Speaker 3: Bit different in one way or another.
Speaker 4: And again, she wasn't speaking directly to the gifted school
Speaker 4: teachers or administrators not paying attention to these issues, but
Speaker 4: it did seem like there was a struggle to get
Speaker 4: her son categorized in a way that was actually helpful,
Speaker 4: and that it ultimately resulted even though he tested, you know,
Speaker 4: to be a part of these programs, it ultimately resulted
Speaker 4: in getting kind of booted out you know, which is
Speaker 4: another really bad experience to have as a kid who's
Speaker 4: already feeling othered and as an outcast, to be sort
Speaker 4: of like taken out of your normal situation, which maybe
Speaker 4: was even working fine as it sounds it maybe was,
Speaker 4: and then put in this new situation that as all
Speaker 4: of a sudden, you're like being eaten alive kind of
Speaker 4: And it's just I can only imagine that someone who
Speaker 4: is neurodivergent would not respond very well to that, and
Speaker 4: I'm glad that it all worked out in the end.
Speaker 2: Do you guys ever think we should unpair education and
Speaker 2: socialisation and make those two separate things. I don't know.
Speaker 2: I wonder if that's what causes problems for especially neurodivergent individuals.
Speaker 1: Right, it's tough because the environment in which a juvenile
Speaker 1: informing brain is functioning is just so radically different. That
Speaker 1: environment simply did not exist in the past. You know,
Speaker 1: a lot of the conventional socialization methods throughout human history
Speaker 1: were in person, and now for many people, that in
Speaker 1: person mix of socialization has radically decreased. There are some
Speaker 1: really good, really good things that happen when you see
Speaker 1: extracurricular cultural education like a lot of my friends whose
Speaker 1: parents are Japanese nationals, when they spend time in the US,
Speaker 1: they went to a US school and then afterwards they
Speaker 1: went to Japanese school, which is all about the culture
Speaker 1: of Japan, language learning, history of Japan and stuff. You
Speaker 1: can see this also with some religious schools. You can
Speaker 1: also see this with any number of cultural programs or
Speaker 1: community centers. And I think that socialization free from the
Speaker 1: sort of top down teach for the test problem that
Speaker 1: is plaguing in the US right now, I think it
Speaker 1: can be a little more helpful to kids because you
Speaker 1: don't have to have the same learning style as someone
Speaker 1: to socialize with them. But you do have to have
Speaker 1: a pretty narrow band of learning styles to succeed in
Speaker 1: the to succeed in the current state of public education, that's.
Speaker 4: Right, and I mean short of having all of the
Speaker 4: resources in the world financially to be able to send
Speaker 4: your kid to the exact right school that suits their
Speaker 4: exact right needs, or to hire a special you know,
Speaker 4: to be able to be one on one with your kid,
Speaker 4: you do kind of have to figure out how to
Speaker 4: make your kids school experience work within a pre existing
Speaker 4: system that is as we know, imperfect, despite the best
Speaker 4: efforts of many of the folks that work at these places,
Speaker 4: you know, because we know that folks that work at
Speaker 4: these schools do it out of love and out of
Speaker 4: most for the most part, out of love and out
Speaker 4: of commitment, you know, to children, because they certainly aren't
Speaker 4: doing it for you know, the big bucks.
Speaker 3: So it's it's tough.
Speaker 4: And I think that's a really good point that you
Speaker 4: both brought up about socialization versus education. But unfortunately, you know,
Speaker 4: the experience that kids get in school is their kind
Speaker 4: of first exposure to socialization, and oftentimes it's a real
Speaker 4: negative one.
Speaker 1: Sure, yeah, I mean it's it's definitely cold water. You know,
Speaker 1: you're putting You're putting a child in gen pop surrounded
Speaker 1: by other kids, all of sort of unknown variables. It's
Speaker 1: not it is not unexpected for dissent and tension to occur.
Speaker 1: But I do have to say the problem, at least
Speaker 1: from my perspective, and I've only formally studied education a
Speaker 1: bit so non expert, but the problem has never been
Speaker 1: the teachers, by and large, right, And when we are
Speaker 1: talking in critical ways about the education system, we are
Speaker 1: not talking about the teachers. By and large, you know,
Speaker 1: who break their hearts and spend their own money trying
Speaker 1: to give people opportunities that this nation promised them. You know,
Speaker 1: they're following up on what was agreed. And yes there
Speaker 1: are cases of predators in the education system. Yes there
Speaker 1: are cases of what we would consider abusive teaching styles
Speaker 1: now and we're going to meet someone later in the
Speaker 1: show who came up under one of those systems. But
Speaker 1: I love that you're pointing it out in all the
Speaker 1: the teachers are not the problems. It's not the teachers
Speaker 1: who say, forget learning and inclusivity and five oh four plans,
Speaker 1: let's make sure kids are only good at this milestone test.
Speaker 3: That's not the teachers.
Speaker 1: That's the admin in the system above them forcing them
Speaker 1: to do that. Even when they say it's a bad idea.
Speaker 3: That's right.
Speaker 4: And even those admins, it's not like it's their idea.
Speaker 4: You know, they're charged with meeting certain benchmarks, you know,
Speaker 4: in order to get the meager funding they do get right,
Speaker 4: and if they don't meet those then they can lose
Speaker 4: that funding and things can be even worse for them.
Speaker 3: So it really is it's kind of.
Speaker 4: A catch twenty two and also just last thing for me,
Speaker 4: the whole socialization aspect, Like even though we often can
Speaker 4: explain it away or say, oh, it's just you know,
Speaker 4: we're throwing you in the deep end and then you
Speaker 4: got to you gotta sink or swim, but we know
Speaker 4: that doesn't work for everybody, and it can result in
Speaker 4: a long term trauma, you know, to well, you know,
Speaker 4: children who have bullying experiences that go unchecked, they go unnoticed,
Speaker 4: and that can follow them for their entire lives too.
Speaker 4: So it is just really important to listen to your kids,
Speaker 4: even if they're not talking to you about it directly,
Speaker 4: just pay attention. And if you have the sense that
Speaker 4: your kid is being messed with, if not physically, you know,
Speaker 4: emotionally is worse, you know. And now with all of
Speaker 4: the horrific ways that that kids can be access you know,
Speaker 4: via the Internet and docked and all of these horrible things,
Speaker 4: like we know that can lead to serious negative outcomes.
Speaker 4: So I would just you know, I know there's no
Speaker 4: parent out there that loves their kid that isn't thinking
Speaker 4: about these kinds of things. But I would just say,
Speaker 4: you know, keep an eye on it, because it's something
Speaker 4: that can go unnoticed because kids oftentimes, you know, don't
Speaker 4: want to let you know because they're ashamed or they
Speaker 4: don't know how to put it into words or something.
Speaker 3: So I mean, it's just something to be aware of.
Speaker 2: I think another thing to look out for NOIL is
Speaker 2: something you may be unaware of. Similarly is if your
Speaker 2: kid might be exaus phibiting bullying behaviors at school, because
Speaker 2: you might you might not be aware, and your child,
Speaker 2: you know, may not be doing it for any malicious reason. Besides,
Speaker 2: they're mixed up about something, right, So I don't know.
Speaker 2: Just it's just a call out to remember to talk
Speaker 2: with your kids, talk with your parents, be open about things,
Speaker 2: and communicate.
Speaker 4: And it doesn't mean you're a terrible parent, you know,
Speaker 4: if you're you know, because the way we I think
Speaker 4: think about it or assume is that if a kid
Speaker 4: is a bully, it's because they're responding to something horrible
Speaker 4: at home or they're being bullied at home, and it's
Speaker 4: not That's not always the case. There's there's a million
Speaker 4: reasons that kids could exhibit certain behaviors. So again, it's
Speaker 4: just really important, I think, to all of our points
Speaker 4: just to keep you know, keep be mindful, you know,
Speaker 4: and be vigilant.
Speaker 3: Well, you don't have to be a helicopter parent to
Speaker 3: do that either, So I think that's it. Let's take
Speaker 3: a quick break, and well, thanks.
Speaker 4: Again Alice by the way for the for the lovely email.
Speaker 4: We're gonna take a quick break and then we'll be
Speaker 4: back with one more piece of listener mail.
Speaker 1: And we have returned a slight teaser here. Want to
Speaker 1: give a shout out to let's call you a JL
Speaker 1: who just sent a letter to us. We read every
Speaker 1: letter we get about a troubling case of blasto mycosis
Speaker 1: in Michigan. Tune in because we're going to get back
Speaker 1: to that one later. For now, I'm going to give
Speaker 1: a shout out to a friend of ours, friend of
Speaker 1: the show, who did not give themselves a moniker. And
Speaker 1: if you will trust us, a fellow conspiracy realist, why
Speaker 1: don't we call you the Funky House. It makes sense
Speaker 1: to you. Right, everybody else is listening, they're going, that's
Speaker 1: a weird name. But trust us. We workshopped at we
Speaker 1: did some market research. It's good ten ten. So the
Speaker 1: Funky House says Hello. Ben Matt Nole, big fan of
Speaker 1: the show, listening to all for a couple of years now.
Speaker 1: You may have covered this subject before, so my apologies,
Speaker 1: have I missed your discussion of this topic on a
Speaker 1: previous episode. The subject title looks a little wonky. It
Speaker 1: also took me a couple tries to make sure I
Speaker 1: was spelling it correctly, but Medja Gore is a town
Speaker 1: and area in modern day Bosnia and Herzegovina where a
Speaker 1: group of children claimed to have been visited by visions
Speaker 1: of Mary, the mother of Jesus Christ since the early
Speaker 1: nineteen eighties. The Funky House, you have done us an
Speaker 1: immense favor. I remain astonished that we have not explored
Speaker 1: divine interventions or appearances right in a previous episode, so
Speaker 1: it has to be on the way. Yeah, this is
Speaker 1: This is fascinating. It's something that we don't always talk about,
Speaker 1: but we just we just had a great conversation with
Speaker 1: Ryan Bethay, the creator of the Exorcist Files, and it
Speaker 1: was it was a heck of a deep dive. So
Speaker 1: the and the infernal, I would say, are on our
Speaker 1: collective mind. Here's what the Funky House says. I first
Speaker 1: heard about these occurrences while I was attending Catholic elementary
Speaker 1: school during the nineteen eighties.
Speaker 3: I grew up.
Speaker 1: Outside of Washington, d c. In a fairly safe and
Speaker 1: progressive suburb. The school I attended was very old school,
Speaker 1: conservative Catholic and its views and its discipline. This is
Speaker 1: what I was talking about was some teachers having teaching
Speaker 1: methods that we would consider abusive today. The Funky House
Speaker 1: goes into detail about some of the very uncool things
Speaker 1: that these instructors were doing. Anyway, I want to paint
Speaker 1: the picture of the main topic of this email and
Speaker 1: how we were taught about it. In June nineteen eighty one,
Speaker 1: a group of kids, some like six in total, claimed
Speaker 1: to have been visited by Jesus's mother on a hill
Speaker 1: in modern day Bosnia Herzegovina. It was at the time
Speaker 1: the Federal or the Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia. Pause there,
Speaker 1: have you guys ever heard of this incident?
Speaker 3: I have not.
Speaker 1: Nope, Yeah, but we've all heard of people claiming that
Speaker 1: they have seen, course like a visitation, right.
Speaker 4: Sometimes in the form of a piece of burnt toast
Speaker 4: or you know, a shadow, you know, But yeah, I
Speaker 4: mean it's again. In the conversation with Ryan. The fine
Speaker 4: line between divine intercession or demonic intercession and mental illness
Speaker 4: or mental wellness is something that I think is very
Speaker 4: interesting to all of us.
Speaker 2: But when a group of six kids witnesses something together,
Speaker 2: in my mind is is it? You know? Are they
Speaker 2: playing a game? Are they actually experiencing something? How do
Speaker 2: you prove that they experienced something? Of this is fascinating.
Speaker 2: I can't wait to dive into that.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, like witch trial stuff, you know, where you had
Speaker 4: people that were claiming to have experienced things simultaneously, or
Speaker 4: the screaming girls of Malaysia, you know where oftentimes it's
Speaker 4: a mass hysteria kind of situation, or the real deal.
Speaker 1: They did titch it, bas So man, all right, so yeah,
Speaker 1: agreed on all points. Here is what the Funky House says.
Speaker 1: Words started to spread as more and more people began
Speaker 1: hearing about events and visiting the children while they interacted
Speaker 1: with Mary on an almost daily basis and more than
Speaker 1: one appearance, the government got Yeah, the government got involved,
Speaker 1: which probably gave the situation a lot more attention than
Speaker 1: the government would have wanted. The kids were heavily questioned,
Speaker 1: sent to psychologists to determine if they were lying or
Speaker 1: to your pointment, playing a game. Some of the information
Speaker 1: I read says the Funky House. It claims that the
Speaker 1: kids were not all experiencing a group psychological episode, nor
Speaker 1: did the doctors believe them to be deceptive. The situation continued.
Speaker 1: People in the church, whether it be Eastern Orthodox or Catholic,
Speaker 1: started to take notice, some saying they believed the children
Speaker 1: and then becoming critics of those kids.
Speaker 3: Later.
Speaker 1: Nevertheless, people around the world, mostly Catholic, began traveling to
Speaker 1: this area to witness the children interact with Mary. Although
Speaker 1: only the kids could see the visions. The government was
Speaker 1: initially very skeptical and critical of the children, and they
Speaker 1: began to see the economic benefit of tourism, so they
Speaker 1: started promoting it.
Speaker 3: Than Yeah, I mean hear that kind.
Speaker 4: Of stuff with the toast, you know, I mean right,
Speaker 4: like it's almost I think it's been parodied in some
Speaker 4: television series and it's escaping me which one, but no,
Speaker 4: I know what it was. It was actually in Breaking
Speaker 4: Bad or I'm sorry and better call Saul. We're in
Speaker 4: order to get a continuance of some kind or to
Speaker 4: hold up a deal with like a bulldozing a man's property.
Speaker 3: They claimed to have seen virgin Mary.
Speaker 4: On like a fence or something like that, and it
Speaker 4: had been brought all of this tourism.
Speaker 1: And there's a great episode of Always Studying in Philadelphia
Speaker 1: about what what is thought to be a divine water staying.
Speaker 1: Very very smart show, very well written. So here's how
Speaker 1: the Funky Hoose walks us through the process. No one
Speaker 1: can see Mary except for these kids, and that often
Speaker 1: happens in a lot of these sightings. The process for
Speaker 1: interacting with Mary involves the children praying with a rosary,
Speaker 1: a prayer band the Catholics use in some ceremonies, and
Speaker 1: then entering an almost trance like state as they interact
Speaker 1: with the visions of Mary. These events usually last for
Speaker 1: a few minutes but are apparently very powerful. Most reports
Speaker 1: state the kids are the only ones to actually see
Speaker 1: the visions, but people in the crowd have stated they
Speaker 1: were moved by their experiences, and some did claim to
Speaker 1: see stuff versions of lights popping around the area and
Speaker 1: the funky houses. Kindergarten teacher, whom he notes was just
Speaker 1: an absolute great person, went to this area in Herzegovina
Speaker 1: and was so moved by her experience that she became
Speaker 1: a nun, so she definitely felt something, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean.
Speaker 2: Oh, this all sounds like Missus Davis to me. I
Speaker 2: think they ripped that show off of this whole thing.
Speaker 2: Not really, but it sounds very similar.
Speaker 1: Oh you know, I didn't think about that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the one. By the where's the There's a
Speaker 2: big AI thing that's going on in this kind of
Speaker 2: controlling the world. Everyone's addicted to it, but there's one
Speaker 2: single nun that can fight back because she's not connected.
Speaker 2: It's fantastic. I would highly recommend the show. But she speaks, well,
Speaker 2: I don't want to spoil too much. I'm going to
Speaker 2: spoil a little bit. If you don't want to hear
Speaker 2: a spoiler about Missus Davis, skip forward for a second.
Speaker 2: Here we go Missus Davis. The nun can physically close
Speaker 2: her eyes, meditate and see Jesus, and at one point
Speaker 2: interacts with Mary and then she comes out of her
Speaker 2: trance like state and comes back to reality. It sounds
Speaker 2: like that's exactly what these kids are doing.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and this is also, by the way, where the
Speaker 1: invention of nunchucks came from. No pun left behind. I'm
Speaker 1: not above it. Anyway, so the oh gosh, I ka
Speaker 1: wait to hear other versions of that joke. Please forgive
Speaker 1: us those of the monastic orders. We have said so,
Speaker 1: we have said, and can, and we'll continue in the future.
Speaker 1: We're getting quite good at it, so the Funky House says.
Speaker 1: The visions have continued throughout the years, with hundreds of
Speaker 1: thousands of people around the world participating in the events.
Speaker 1: Up until today. There are podcasts, books, websites all devoted
Speaker 1: to this phenomenon. Here's where it gets crazy, Sorry, says
Speaker 1: the Funky House. I've always wanted to write that. The
Speaker 1: Catholic Churches, an organization, has not yet made an official
Speaker 1: statement on these events. It seems like the view of
Speaker 1: the Church depends on whichever pope is currently in power.
Speaker 1: Pope John Paul the second was sympathetic with the children,
Speaker 1: but did not consider this a miracle or didn't declare
Speaker 1: it as such. Pope Benedict was more critical, and Pope
Speaker 1: Francis said we need more investigation. So officially the Catholic
Speaker 1: Church has not said, yes, you are being visited by Mary,
Speaker 1: the Mother of Jesus, but it seems like unofficially it's getten.
Speaker 1: A lot of attention, and a lot of people, including
Speaker 1: members of the clergy, absolutely believe this. And then the
Speaker 1: Funky Ause talks about transubstantiation, the belief that upon being
Speaker 1: blessed bread and wine does physically change into the body
Speaker 1: and blood of Christ during Mass. He talks a little
Speaker 1: more about the other divine visitations of the past, visions
Speaker 1: of Fatima from nineteen seventeen, which was one of the
Speaker 1: big secrets that popes used to learn when they became official.
Speaker 1: We talked about that one a little bit in the
Speaker 1: past with secrets to the Vatican, and more and more
Speaker 1: people skeptics are trying to prove these events are a
Speaker 1: hoax or kind of find discrepancies in the kid's stories.
Speaker 1: And the weird part is, as a Funky House points out,
Speaker 1: even if this was initially like a hoax, a game
Speaker 1: of make believe gone awry and astray, they seem to
Speaker 1: have fully committed to their stories. Their stories don't change
Speaker 1: over time, and keeping six people on the same message
Speaker 1: for forty years, as the Funky House points out, that's
Speaker 1: a tall milkshake. At this point, you have to ask,
Speaker 1: you know, regardless of our own spiritual beliefs or lack
Speaker 1: thereof what would compel compel this group of people to
Speaker 1: have this story and stick to it.
Speaker 3: The power of Christ the capel them. There we go.
Speaker 2: Well, it sounds like I've looked. This is just my
Speaker 2: personal opinion. If it sounds like a fun game, you guys,
Speaker 2: the adults all think we're like actually talking to Mary.
Speaker 2: We'll just keep doing it.
Speaker 1: And then when one kid says, well, I actually am
Speaker 1: yeah exactly, and then the message spreads, just like in
Speaker 1: a stadium where everybody does the wave.
Speaker 4: Oh, it's all a game until somebody gets hurt or whatever.
Speaker 4: I mean again, you see this in plot lines a
Speaker 4: lot where these kinds of things happen where it is
Speaker 4: a game, but then one member of the of the
Speaker 4: group starts to take it more seriously than the rest,
Speaker 4: and then they're in too deep and they have to
Speaker 4: cover for each other and that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1: Have you guys read Fouko's Pendulum.
Speaker 3: I have not.
Speaker 1: It's by umberto Echo and it is a it is
Speaker 1: so it's so weird. It's about, if I remember correctly,
Speaker 1: I haven't read quite some time. It's kind of like
Speaker 1: what you're describing. It's like where people invent a kind
Speaker 1: of intellectual game or conspiracy, and it gets out of
Speaker 1: control and it becomes increase real for them, sort of
Speaker 1: like what's that other film that wonderful Kate Winslet film, Fantastic.
Speaker 4: Creatures, Oh well, Heavenly Creatures, Creatures all beautiful.
Speaker 3: I loved it. I loved it.
Speaker 4: It's just you can't stream anywhere, by the way, or
Speaker 4: maybe you can, but it was really hard to get.
Speaker 3: I have a copy of it on DVD.
Speaker 4: But Peter Jackson one of his first movies, unlike anything
Speaker 4: he's ever done. You can get a hold of it.
Speaker 4: Please watch it. It's an ext It's like a fle
Speaker 4: ade kind of situation, right.
Speaker 1: Stay for the claymation alone. Sure, and it's based on
Speaker 1: a true story. It's disturbing. So we know this kind
Speaker 1: of social dynamic, to the point about socialization earlier, it
Speaker 1: can have real world effects. You know, an idea, my opinion,
Speaker 1: is very close to a living thing, and it is
Speaker 1: transmitted between people. It grows from them. You know, we're
Speaker 1: all the roots of collective ideas, and we feed them
Speaker 1: and we nourish them so.
Speaker 3: They can metastasize too.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm very toxic.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, and with this I do want to give one
Speaker 1: more piece to the Funky House's letter, which is quite through,
Speaker 1: so we're pulling excerpts or not reading the whole thing here,
Speaker 1: but very well written. And the Funky House pointed out
Speaker 1: something that I think was going to be one of
Speaker 1: our immediate collective questions. Did these six individuals become rich
Speaker 1: and famous? You know what I mean? Are they hitting
Speaker 1: up Oprah or whatever the Bosnian equivalent of Oprah is.
Speaker 1: They have made appearances on media, but they don't seem
Speaker 1: to be chasing the limelight. There does not seem to
Speaker 1: be a strong financial motivation. At least maybe there is
Speaker 1: when we just have to dig deeper, but I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'm also thinking, like practicing empathy here at the current
Speaker 1: state of science, it is possible to it is possible
Speaker 1: to do some fun brain monitoring such that you could
Speaker 1: tell if the kids or the former kids believe their
Speaker 1: own story, right, you could tell that, but it's really
Speaker 1: difficult to see what they're seeing. There's some good groundbreaking
Speaker 1: research going on right now that will allow scientists to
Speaker 1: see an image that you are imagining in your head.
Speaker 1: So like if you say, think of something you sit
Speaker 1: on and you're wired up to these contraptions, and you
Speaker 1: think of a couch, then they can see that image
Speaker 1: of a couch from your brain and decode it. But again,
Speaker 1: that's a long way away from proving that the Mother
Speaker 1: of Jesus Christ is making these appearances, and we have
Speaker 1: to be careful not to leap too far. But like
Speaker 1: within the how would you approach it if you were
Speaker 1: receiving visions and would you tell people about them? Would
Speaker 1: you do what the visions told you?
Speaker 4: God, I hope not to the second one, And God,
Speaker 4: I hope so that I would tell people about that,
Speaker 4: all the appropriate people about them.
Speaker 3: I would hope.
Speaker 4: You know, I've been watching Legion lately. Have you guys
Speaker 4: seen Legion? It's incredible, Matt, It's so up your alley.
Speaker 4: It's like it's barely it's a comic book show. But
Speaker 4: it's like about an alternate reality kind of version. It's
Speaker 4: all alternate reality, alternate dimension I guess, multiverse version of
Speaker 4: the X Men.
Speaker 3: And there is a I guess like you did.
Speaker 4: With Missus Davis minor tiny functional spoiler, but uh five
Speaker 4: four three two one. It is mutants that are very
Speaker 4: powerful that are being kept in what appears to be
Speaker 4: a psychiatric institution, and they are made to believe that
Speaker 4: the visions they are having are in fact psychotic episodes,
Speaker 4: and that their powers are in fact psychiatric issues that
Speaker 4: have to be medicated away and dealt with.
Speaker 3: So I'm sure.
Speaker 4: Exactly why I brought that up, just on my mind,
Speaker 4: but the idea of visions and they're them having a function,
Speaker 4: you know, and and are they telling you something or
Speaker 4: is it just you know, your mind breaking down or
Speaker 4: the product of some trauma that is unaddressed.
Speaker 2: I think I watched a couple of episodes. I just
Speaker 2: remember a lot of blood and death at some point
Speaker 2: early on.
Speaker 1: It's great.
Speaker 3: It's just really smart.
Speaker 4: It's very like twelve Monkeys meets like Michelle Gondry or something,
Speaker 4: or like Oh, I think he hero Mariah had something
Speaker 4: to do with it, who's an incredible director, and it's
Speaker 4: the guy that also created that, Noah Holly is his name,
Speaker 4: who did like the Fargo television series. And it's just
Speaker 4: incredibly clever and smart and beautifully shot.
Speaker 1: And it's based off the comic character who is the
Speaker 1: son of Professor X. I would also say there's a
Speaker 1: little one threw over the Cookar's nest in it in
Speaker 1: a very good tight So this, uh, well, what about
Speaker 1: you bett before before I play my hand and get
Speaker 1: us out of the show. Here, what what would you
Speaker 1: do if you received visions that were let's say, attempting
Speaker 1: to persuade you.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I'd build that arc? You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Why not?
Speaker 3: Right? Yeah? What not?
Speaker 2: If if it was building an arc, if it was
Speaker 2: doing something nefarious or you know, bad to that would
Speaker 2: affect or hurt somebody else, then hell no. But man,
Speaker 2: if if something shiny came down it was like there
Speaker 2: is a flood a coming and we need a boat,
Speaker 2: and I'll be like, yes.
Speaker 3: Hey about that, you know, keep me busy, keep me
Speaker 3: out of trouble. I'll build an arc.
Speaker 4: I got a backyard, I got some wood clan, I
Speaker 4: got some saw horses and power tools.
Speaker 1: Let's get let me finish playing this League of Legends campaign.
Speaker 1: And I am right on it.
Speaker 3: God, Oh no, you're right.
Speaker 2: I would just play video games instead.
Speaker 3: You're not to leave you hanging, but man, this campaign
Speaker 3: is ripping.
Speaker 1: God have you heard of best feeds? Because I feel
Speaker 1: like you got to shift your priorities a little ouch ie,
Speaker 1: get it. So it is a question, because your mental
Speaker 1: stability is one of the most sacrisanct things that you possess, right,
Speaker 1: and we have to be very protective of that. We
Speaker 1: have to have these boundaries and things that make us
Speaker 1: question those boundaries. They can be profound learning opportunities. They
Speaker 1: can also be profoundly dangerous. I've experienced hallucinations before. You
Speaker 1: would call them. I don't think the medical community likes
Speaker 1: to call them visions. A lot of people throughout history
Speaker 1: have had these feelings of divine intervention, and not folks
Speaker 1: you might expect, not like the Joan of arcs of
Speaker 1: the world, but people like Winston Churchill, who famously said
Speaker 1: he survived a car accident because there is a quote
Speaker 1: golden voice that speaks to him and tells him to
Speaker 1: do certain things. And when he was getting into this vehicle,
Speaker 1: this voice, I believe it was Churchill, this voice told
Speaker 1: him to sit on a different side of the car.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 1: And again, you know, maybe that's just the brain, which
Speaker 1: is a magnificent machine, trying to make sense of things
Speaker 1: that otherwise don't make sense. Maybe that's how we understand
Speaker 1: these hints and these I don't know these inclinations, but
Speaker 1: I think here we can open the door and ask
Speaker 1: our fellow conspiracy realist, do you know anyone who feels
Speaker 1: they have received vision, a premonition, right even up to
Speaker 1: an including a divine visitation. Do you feel that you
Speaker 1: yourself have experienced something like this. We would love to
Speaker 1: hear your stories. We know this can be a very
Speaker 1: personal topic to a lot of people, skeptics and died
Speaker 1: in the Wold, believers in divine visitation alike. So join
Speaker 1: us on the next journey. Big big thanks of course
Speaker 1: to Alice. Congratulations to your son, Elice, Big big thanks
Speaker 1: to the Funky House. And there's one guy, a man,
Speaker 1: a legend that we have to end this show with.
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