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Speaker 2: with Pop Culture Field Manual podcast. Now, Israel is former
Speaker 2: Green Beret or maybe active, he'll answer that, and then
Speaker 2: Cameron is a former United States Army Ranger. Welcome to
Speaker 2: the show, gentlemen.
Speaker 3: Thank you for having us. Man, We appreciate it.
Speaker 2: Rad.
Speaker 4: We are pumped to be here, my dude, and it
Speaker 4: is gonna be a good one.
Speaker 2: Yes it is. We were just sitting here chatting pre
Speaker 2: show and I was like, yeah, all sorts of cool
Speaker 2: things in the background. You've got like this shield back
Speaker 2: here with the latinin bowl. Is that? What is that?
Speaker 2: Tell me what that is?
Speaker 5: So I got my custom Neon sign.
Speaker 4: I wish I was made by like a veteran company,
Speaker 4: but not so legit China, dude, but this is actually
Speaker 4: the designated you to insignia of the seventy fifth range
Speaker 4: of regimen. So I got that all done up, and
Speaker 4: I got yeah, me and Israel we're on YouTube together
Speaker 4: for a channel called shift Fire.
Speaker 5: And then we got my.
Speaker 4: Tam beret, got my cibeb just all my all my
Speaker 4: accolades and cool things that make me seem legit, you know, yes,
Speaker 4: I mean I bought them all off eBay anyways, So
Speaker 4: I'm just trying to be as authentic as possible.
Speaker 2: You know, what do you think about that you can
Speaker 2: really get everything off of there, right, I mean, like,
Speaker 2: I mean, we to compact. Your LBT's on there, you got, like, no,
Speaker 2: it's everything's on their spirits.
Speaker 4: It's ridiculous the amount of access we have to Like,
Speaker 4: I mean, I love it just because obviously I'm a
Speaker 4: big gear guy, so it's cool that, you know, anybody
Speaker 4: can get anything. But it seems like in today's day
Speaker 4: and age, like they take that concept and they run
Speaker 4: with it. And for some reason, everyone who does stolen Valor,
Speaker 4: everybody who does Stolen Valor says they're rangers. So it's, uh,
Speaker 4: it must be it must be something in the water Man.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of rangers, right, is that right? Not
Speaker 2: many green Berets, you think. My dad always said my
Speaker 2: dad always said it was easy to get away as
Speaker 2: a captain or a second lieutenant than it was a major.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: So it's actually really interesting because green berets. There's actually
Speaker 4: a lot more Green Berets than there are rangers. I mean,
Speaker 4: there's a big misconception that if you went to ranger school,
Speaker 4: you're a ranger. If you're in the seventy fifth Ranger Regiment,
Speaker 4: you're year and know. So it's if you're in the
Speaker 4: seventy fifth Ranger Reedgiment you're considered a ranger. So if
Speaker 4: you just went to ranger school, your ranger qualified. But
Speaker 4: if you're not in the regiment, you're not considered an
Speaker 4: actual ranger. But yeah, there was I think thirty six
Speaker 4: hundred active rangers when I was in and that was
Speaker 4: twenty fifteen to the end of twenty eighteen, and then
Speaker 4: there's close to like nineteen or twenty k active Green
Speaker 4: Berets and reserve as well in there because there are
Speaker 4: no reserve rangers.
Speaker 5: So we are a tiny, little, tiny little club man.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you guys, some people may not realize that,
Speaker 2: but you're a Tier one unit versus anything else because
Speaker 2: of the capacity of money that comes to you. It's
Speaker 2: tier one, where like SF's Tier two.
Speaker 4: Right, So we have just like SF, we have a
Speaker 4: Tier one asset and that's called RRC so Ranger Reconnaissance Company,
Speaker 4: and they're about on the same cusp as if you
Speaker 4: push over the Navy and see like dev gru Seal
Speaker 4: Team six and then obviously our Army brothers Delta Forest
Speaker 4: with Special Forces. But as just a seventy fifth range regement,
Speaker 4: we're actually tier two. So we have the same funding,
Speaker 4: we have the same pretty much assets from SOCOM and
Speaker 4: Jaysock and all that allocated to US as Green Berets.
Speaker 4: So green Bereays, Navy Seals, you know, pj's Rangers were
Speaker 4: all on the same yeah, cut tact bees as well
Speaker 4: in the Air Force.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we're all in the same level.
Speaker 4: And then each unit has their own tier one that
Speaker 4: you can go through or just latterly go to different
Speaker 4: So I'm just a Tier two gay man, Tier two,
Speaker 4: just a tier two.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So Israel, did you go through ranger school to
Speaker 2: go SF or did you just go eighteen X ray
Speaker 2: in as boot camp? How did you decide that?
Speaker 3: I had an interesting entry because I joined in two
Speaker 3: thousand and five and I actually had a Ranger or
Speaker 3: actually an option forty contract when I went in. And
Speaker 3: then halfway through basic training, I met some guys who
Speaker 3: were reclassing and going into the qualification course Special Force
Speaker 3: Qualification Course, and I was like, my recruiter didn't do
Speaker 3: a very good job of explaining what a Green Beret
Speaker 3: was and what it did. Yeah, and so Ranger I
Speaker 3: wanted to do something that was like out there in
Speaker 3: the field, out in the front lines kind of stuff.
Speaker 3: And so I was like, Ranger that sounds like a
Speaker 3: lot of fun. And then when those guys came and
Speaker 3: reclassed and they talked about what it was, and then
Speaker 3: a Green Beret recruiter came and talked about what SF did.
Speaker 3: I was like, that sounds like a lot of fun.
Speaker 3: That sounds like more fun, and so I had my
Speaker 3: contract change to an eighteen X race. So ride out
Speaker 3: of basic and after Airborne school went over to Fort
Speaker 3: Bragg and then we got to do the prep courses
Speaker 3: selection prep course and then on into the pipeline after.
Speaker 2: That, and used what a footstep after footstep after footstep
Speaker 2: after footstep with your head down and he just kept
Speaker 2: on your same cycle. Right, You didn't have to go
Speaker 2: through anything, You just you made it through. God chose you.
Speaker 3: Yes, Yes he did, Yes, by God's grace alone, because
Speaker 3: you know, I would say that I went in with
Speaker 3: a I was pretty pretty athletic guy. That's always been
Speaker 3: in strength of mine. But there were some challenges in
Speaker 3: the Q course. So yes, it was definitely by God's
Speaker 3: grace that I was in to make it through. And
Speaker 3: then I went over to first group.
Speaker 2: Would you share a difficulty that you experienced. Maybe one
Speaker 2: of our listeners might be getting ready to go through
Speaker 2: the queue, and you could say, hey, you know, I
Speaker 2: struggled with my own mental sanity on this part.
Speaker 3: Yeah, my biggest challenge when it came to the military
Speaker 3: was self confidence, and that self confidence can lead you
Speaker 3: to doubt the choices that you make when you're in
Speaker 3: the middle of like say, in selection, you have team week,
Speaker 3: everybody gets a chance to be a team leader, and
Speaker 3: I really struggled with that. I struggled with making decisions.
Speaker 3: One of the best pieces of advice I ever got
Speaker 3: in the military was never be afraid to make a decision,
Speaker 3: because you can always course correct, but it's hard to
Speaker 3: course correct when you're just out of it, not in motion,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. So get move and make
Speaker 3: a decision, and then you can always adjust afterwards. So
Speaker 3: there and then also during Robin says there were a
Speaker 3: few moments where I really I lost my presence of
Speaker 3: mind because I kind of got into that panic mode
Speaker 3: and I was just like survival mode, and then I
Speaker 3: made some mistakes. You know. Thankfully I got to, like
Speaker 3: I say, course correct after that. But yeah, yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 3: self confidence. It's a you got to learn at some
Speaker 3: point to trust yourself beyond whatever, fear, whatever insecurities. Never
Speaker 3: be afraid to make a decision.
Speaker 2: You know, now, Cameron, when you went through RIP, what
Speaker 2: about you? Was there something that you know you really
Speaker 2: just was like this, I'm out man, but you didn't
Speaker 2: get out. It just was like you just had to
Speaker 2: keep going. What was it like snakes in them on
Speaker 2: the plane?
Speaker 5: Yeah? No, you know, every selection is extremely hard, right.
Speaker 4: I feel like nobody's gone through a selection and has
Speaker 4: thought in their mind like, wow, I really like this.
Speaker 4: It is super easy, but it's designed to be hard
Speaker 4: because the job itself is an extremely difficult job. And
Speaker 4: but you know, for me personally, cold Range and you know,
Speaker 4: you talk to any ranger that went through RIP back
Speaker 4: in the day or RASP what I went through.
Speaker 5: You know, cold range is kind of.
Speaker 4: That weed you out second week, five days, just getting
Speaker 4: the absolute crap beat out of you, and you know,
Speaker 4: getting starved, shivering in the cold, and they light a
Speaker 4: giant bonfire in the corner and like if you quit,
Speaker 4: you can stand next to it, and so everybody's looking
Speaker 4: at the bonfire and all the quitters are like getting warm,
Speaker 4: and you're just like crap, like this sucks. But for me,
Speaker 4: I yeah, Cole range was definitely difficult, just because you know,
Speaker 4: you have a mix of mental strength, physical strength, and
Speaker 4: then emotional strength too because physical obviously everybody knows you're
Speaker 4: doing physical tasks, and then mental strength. As far as
Speaker 4: land navigation is the point being confident in your decisions,
Speaker 4: you know, making sure you're doing the military navigation correct.
Speaker 4: You know, all your land navigation, you're basically putting your
Speaker 4: training into effect. And then obviously emotional being surrounded by
Speaker 4: you know, dudes quitting all the time, missing home, you
Speaker 4: know the weather is terrible.
Speaker 2: Your land nov more less static compass focused and like
Speaker 2: you know, you know it was and map any type
Speaker 2: of GPS.
Speaker 4: There's no GPS allowed. It's all basic level one skill task.
Speaker 4: Here's a map, here's a compass, a map, markers protractor
Speaker 4: to your point.
Speaker 2: So you would recommend this somebody who's thinking about going in.
Speaker 2: Maybe both of you get comfortable with static compass, a
Speaker 2: pro tractor and marking maps, right, And just like learning
Speaker 2: how to go to wa.
Speaker 3: On your pace count yeah, past read a map, learn
Speaker 3: how to read those major terrain marks and stuff. That
Speaker 3: was the best thing that that was the best tidbit
Speaker 3: that I got a land nav uh In in selection
Speaker 3: of the pre courses.
Speaker 2: Signingesdge his saddle exactly, all right, man, Yeah there you
Speaker 2: go man.
Speaker 3: And finding the super Walmart, finding that big terrain feature
Speaker 3: that you can orient yourself to. You know, small towns,
Speaker 3: the biggest thing they got is the super Walmart. Everybody
Speaker 3: knows where the super Walmart. So that was the tidbit
Speaker 3: that I got. You find that big thing and you're like, well,
Speaker 3: if that thing is here on the map, and I'm
Speaker 3: and it's to my right, that I gotta, you know,
Speaker 3: gonna make myself orient myself to that. So that was
Speaker 3: really helpful. That really helped me a lot.
Speaker 5: Land navigation was my favorite thing to do.
Speaker 2: To see. So you may know I do huge war
Speaker 2: games out here in the Utah deserts. So we got
Speaker 2: like five hundred acres and so when I show you
Speaker 2: the fist, it's because we've done these types of little
Speaker 2: like sand table trainings for our teams, like, hey, guys,
Speaker 2: here's the mountain right in front of us. Let's look
Speaker 2: at our fists together and look, yeah, here's the ridges
Speaker 2: and here's how everything goes right. So you got a
Speaker 2: bunch of air softers who are collectively using this amazing
Speaker 2: these simple basic tactics that I learned from going to
Speaker 2: the bathroom back in the day in my dad's CMF
Speaker 2: Field Manual of how to be a Green Beret. Sit
Speaker 2: there's a little kid and he had a ranger book too,
Speaker 2: but he wasn't ranger, but he had a ranger little
Speaker 2: flip book.
Speaker 3: Everybody had. Everybody.
Speaker 2: It is we have equivalent to survival means all these
Speaker 2: different acronyms within the S, the U, the R, the I,
Speaker 2: the V, the A, the L. You know. So here's
Speaker 2: a little ten year old Aaron just like, oh, what's
Speaker 2: that's what's dad learning today? You know? Or so so
Speaker 2: we bring that to our airsoft teams out here, and
Speaker 2: funny enough, guys who get out, guys who are like
Speaker 2: yourselves that are looking for shoulder to shoulder camaraderie and
Speaker 2: sportsmanlike environment where they can kind of get that brotherhood
Speaker 2: or that sisterhood back together and put some gear on
Speaker 2: and you know, you can run your ops core, you
Speaker 2: can run your you know arm, you can all that
Speaker 2: kind of stuff and go hunt us while we hunt you.
Speaker 2: And then at the end, everybody's like, what's up? That was?
Speaker 2: That was great, right, I'll see what time.
Speaker 4: Yeah it is, No, I actually, uh no, I'm very
Speaker 4: familiar with Milsom. I was caduring from Are you familiar
Speaker 4: with Milsom West?
Speaker 2: Sure?
Speaker 4: Sure, yeah, So I cadreated a couple events for them,
Speaker 4: and I actually really enjoyed doing it myself. I was
Speaker 4: a big air softer before I even joined the military.
Speaker 2: Right, that's the ops score, bro, that's why you knew.
Speaker 2: You see, today's air softer is the tomorrow's use.
Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly. That's why I encourage man.
Speaker 4: Airsoft is, in my mind, the best way to get
Speaker 4: out and see if your crap actually works. I mean really, yeah,
Speaker 4: you spake thousands of dollars on like all this kit
Speaker 4: and then they never wear it and they don't adjust
Speaker 4: it right, and they're like, oh this should it's expensive,
Speaker 4: so it must work. But then you go out and
Speaker 4: if you never test it, you run to it.
Speaker 2: You may not even eat it. You just need to
Speaker 2: some duct tape. Bro. Sure, you know, I need to
Speaker 2: look like RoboCop tomorrow for the game. And I'm like,
Speaker 2: all right, RoboCop it is. I'm putting in their bolts
Speaker 2: and everything, you know, Okay, have a nice day. They
Speaker 2: come out. They're like, I can't really move up the mountain.
Speaker 2: I'm like, but you wanted RoboCop, dude, you didn't want moveability.
Speaker 2: You don't want like you know, uh, you know punction. Yeah, exactly,
Speaker 2: like an LBV on come on, manah, something that moves
Speaker 2: with you now. So, so we're talking a little pop
Speaker 2: culture here, because I'm talking Airsoft that's very pot culture
Speaker 2: in this today and age. I bought up my own
Speaker 2: command film manual if had there be green Beret from
Speaker 2: my dad's closet, right. But here you guys mixing it together,
Speaker 2: a pop culture field manual exactly exactly.
Speaker 5: Yeah, no, we it's go for it is yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh yeah, man, it's a it's been great. Cameron
Speaker 3: and I actually we met doing a gameology specoffs react videos,
Speaker 3: so video game reaction videos. And then a little while
Speaker 3: after that a buddy of ours approach just about staring
Speaker 3: a podcast trying to meet the two like pop culture
Speaker 3: and military. So we bring our experience and our perspective
Speaker 3: as military guys to bear on any number of subjects
Speaker 3: that are out there in pop culture, and it's it's yeah,
Speaker 3: it's been a lot of fun.
Speaker 6: Man.
Speaker 3: We've been doing it for what about three years? We're
Speaker 3: into season three or so.
Speaker 4: Yeah, two and a half, three years long and fun
Speaker 4: road the best time.
Speaker 2: You know, I'm pretty sure I've seen you react to
Speaker 2: some videos, Cameron. I'm pretty sure I've seen you do it, right.
Speaker 2: Is that? Is that right? Yeah? Me?
Speaker 5: And is he do them together?
Speaker 4: And they're they've been out there for a long time
Speaker 4: and some of them have gotten great traction, like the
Speaker 4: cut the game. The company we worked for, Gameology, is
Speaker 4: a video game media company and they have, you know,
Speaker 4: over two million subscribers on YouTube and they push that
Speaker 4: stuff out. So as you were deaf scrolling on Facebook
Speaker 4: at twelve o'clock at night one night, you know, we
Speaker 4: probably popped up and you're just like, who are these
Speaker 4: two idiots?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Really no, Yeah, I'm just like, Okay, what are
Speaker 2: they doing? Yeah? Okay, talking about it? Okay, that's everybody's
Speaker 2: got a niche. I'm cool with it. It's like, if
Speaker 2: we can all just have a conversation like this in
Speaker 2: society where we're just having a back and forth no
Speaker 2: matter what I think on the inside of like politics
Speaker 2: or you know, where America should be. We should have
Speaker 2: conversations like this.
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, man, No, I think airsoft MILLSIM any kind
Speaker 3: of pop culture, a pop culture field manual or this
Speaker 3: podcast all good for the culture, I would say, because
Speaker 3: a lot of comments that Cameron and I have gotten
Speaker 3: in the comments section have been like, you know, I
Speaker 3: never saw military men quite like you guys. You guys
Speaker 3: are very different, but you seem really relatable, and yet
Speaker 3: you're from kind of elite military units, and so there's
Speaker 3: a relatability and kind of a I don't know, an attractionment,
Speaker 3: I guess connection, a rapport, you know that comes from
Speaker 3: people young guys, young guys and girls seeing us and
Speaker 3: having a perception of the military that maybe was a
Speaker 3: little bit different or maybe a little more hardcore. Maybe
Speaker 3: it's like the Jocko's and like the David Goggins that
Speaker 3: they've seen, like oh that's a military guy. But then
Speaker 3: Cameron and I come along, we're kind of jokesters and
Speaker 3: more lighthearted and they see that too, and I think
Speaker 3: that's important for the culture.
Speaker 2: Wait wait, are they talking about call of duty or
Speaker 2: are they talking about PUBG Are they talking about like
Speaker 2: the actual weaponry moving and battlefield four? Is he talking
Speaker 2: about getting out and touching all four corners of the vehicle.
Speaker 2: Does that happen in real life? Does he really use
Speaker 2: a blowtorch? Is that happening right now? Is he debt core?
Speaker 2: Is that Semtex? What do you guys really use semtexs? Right?
Speaker 2: It's like holy cow, someone can actually approach you and
Speaker 2: hit you up. And I bet you reply to your
Speaker 2: comments on YouTube and on your social media.
Speaker 5: We tried to.
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh yeah, we try to keep up. Man.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a lot of work, man, social media. That's
Speaker 4: like a whole last job, right.
Speaker 2: I know, it's crazy, tell me about it. I'm now
Speaker 2: buy a thread on Threads. Are you guys on there yet?
Speaker 2: Have you not got on threads yet?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 5: I haven't even see.
Speaker 3: It moves so quickly, man, I can't keep up.
Speaker 2: So I got divided through Instagram to activate my thread
Speaker 2: account the day they launched, and then I guess they
Speaker 2: brought seventy million subscribers. Most downloaded the other day, maybe
Speaker 2: five six days ago. But like CBS News is joined
Speaker 2: and all these other outlets are joining, I believe that
Speaker 2: you can just get verified for a blue check. There's
Speaker 2: not really a fee, but don't quote me on that.
Speaker 2: It'll probably become a fee now.
Speaker 5: That I set it, but don't put it out there man.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, it's too many subscriptions anyways. But the threads,
Speaker 2: you can share your in your post on threads with
Speaker 2: a title, and then you can share it to Instagram, Facebook.
Speaker 2: So I've noticed a change in like social media. Keep up.
Speaker 2: Like I used to be able to share from one
Speaker 2: media outlet to all these others, but now they're kind
Speaker 2: of like blocking each other off, especially with Zuck and
Speaker 2: Must going at it right now. So now you used
Speaker 2: to be able to share to Twitter from Instagram, that
Speaker 2: no longer is a thing.
Speaker 5: Yeah, there's two separate entities.
Speaker 2: There are two separate entities.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Now you've got threads with Instagram, which is going to
Speaker 2: compete against Twitter, Twitter and anybody listening right now, it's
Speaker 2: rad rockin on threads. I just want to see if
Speaker 2: it works.
Speaker 3: There you go, I'm gonna go start my account right now.
Speaker 2: Well, what's crazy is there's a lot of people out
Speaker 2: there that do have the check marks and they only
Speaker 2: have like four or five followers growing. Like Jack Black
Speaker 2: was replying to everybody like follow me, I'll follow you,
Speaker 2: follow me, I'll follow you. And I see how they're
Speaker 2: doing it and I'm like, okay, follow me, I'll follow you.
Speaker 2: And that kind of got up to about two hundred
Speaker 2: followers in about a minute, and then it's just kind
Speaker 2: of tapered off.
Speaker 5: So here I am nuts, Yeah, here I am.
Speaker 4: You know the crazy story I ever heard, Like back
Speaker 4: in the day when you had to grind to like
Speaker 4: get any sort of popularity. Dane Cook allegedly when when
Speaker 4: he was coming in before he became like the most
Speaker 4: popular comedian of like the late two thousands, he would
Speaker 4: get on MySpace and you know, if you're a young guy,
Speaker 4: something called MySpace is out there, tom. Yeah, he was
Speaker 4: following the top five, top eight, But yeah, you get
Speaker 4: on MySpace and literally respond and message to every single
Speaker 4: person that would comment on his stuff, and that's how
Speaker 4: he gained that rapport. So yeah, social media is a grind.
Speaker 2: He made his money too, Yeah, Dane Cook made his
Speaker 2: money from learning how to just book the venue himself.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's everything himself.
Speaker 2: Yeah, He's like, how much does it cost? So like
Speaker 2: four hundred thousand dollars He's like, well, okay, here we go,
Speaker 2: and he put everything into it and it brought back
Speaker 2: like seven million.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but here you are.
Speaker 2: That's exactly just risk versus reward.
Speaker 5: You take risk.
Speaker 2: Well, is he I'm I'm gonna call you easy because
Speaker 2: I hear him calling you iszy. Is that?
Speaker 3: Not even my family calls me Israel. So you're in
Speaker 3: the right You're you're in the right crowd.
Speaker 2: Good now is he? You're airborne? Okay? Here you are
Speaker 2: static line getting ready to shuffle out. Did you ever
Speaker 2: have a mishap happened on the way down or get
Speaker 2: tangled up or anything like Rambo cutting away?
Speaker 3: H No, nothing like that. I had a really good
Speaker 3: experience with my Airborne. I actually go to got to
Speaker 3: go to Halo school as well when I was in group,
Speaker 3: so I got to actually do the you know, military
Speaker 3: free fall with the big old you know, the oxygen
Speaker 3: mask and the rocking between your legs. Yeah, square a
Speaker 3: pair of shote.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: The hardest thing I ever had was twisted lines. You know,
Speaker 3: you got to grab behind you and kick out of it,
Speaker 3: you know, and spin out, you know, and that I
Speaker 3: had quite a few twists and so that took me.
Speaker 3: Took me a couple of seconds on the way down,
Speaker 3: but it popped open. So No, I've never had any.
Speaker 2: Weird weird about you, Ranger, what about you?
Speaker 4: No, I've had some really close calls that I thought
Speaker 4: it was like, yeah, yeah, I've had about two, you
Speaker 4: know they One of them was I realized that, you know,
Speaker 4: when you do something terrible, you learn lessons from everything, right,
Speaker 4: So like after it was a H forty seven jump,
Speaker 4: which is for the the chinooks, for the two rods exactly. Yea,
Speaker 4: we call it the war Chariot, my favorite aircraft of
Speaker 4: all time. Yeah, we had one of those jumps. And
Speaker 4: those jumps are the best jumps because you just ramp
Speaker 4: blast right off the back and it's you know, you
Speaker 4: don't get blasted by wind when you're jumping out of
Speaker 4: you know, one seventeen.
Speaker 5: Off the side, it's just off the back and you
Speaker 5: just free falled down.
Speaker 4: It was that but for some reason it was supposed
Speaker 4: to be the best jump ever and it was my
Speaker 4: first time doing it. But when I jumped out, it
Speaker 4: was just super rough environment, like there's a lot of wind,
Speaker 4: and I just started oscillating super hard and oscillatings where
Speaker 4: you know, the parachute static but you're just going left
Speaker 4: and right and left like a pendulum on the end
Speaker 4: of the string. And you know, right as I was
Speaker 4: about to hit the ground, I'm like at the peak,
Speaker 4: at the highest point of my oscillation, So as I'm
Speaker 4: coming down, that's when I land. So the force of
Speaker 4: me hitting the ground and coming down on the oscillation
Speaker 4: just like knocked the wind out of me. And then
Speaker 4: my basically riser lines got wrapped around my cam hook
Speaker 4: release assemblies, which is essentially how you would disattach your parachute,
Speaker 4: and they wrapped around so I couldn't even open them.
Speaker 5: And then since it was.
Speaker 4: A windy day, my parachute opened up again on the
Speaker 4: ground and just started dragging me maybe one hundred two
Speaker 4: hundred meters, and dudes had to come over and straight
Speaker 4: up like attack the parachute. And one guy get out
Speaker 4: to me, yeah, because I was getting drugged, and you
Speaker 4: get drug fast, because these parachutes when day lift, once
Speaker 4: they inflate again on the ground, you're like, you know,
Speaker 4: drag racing.
Speaker 5: Literally.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: This guy came over and he's like, hey, dude, are
Speaker 5: you okay?
Speaker 4: You like I thought you died because you hit the
Speaker 4: ground so hard and I'm just sitting there like coughing,
Speaker 4: and I'm like, yeah, I'm fine. But after that I
Speaker 4: was like, I need to carry a knife on me
Speaker 4: because if that shit, I had nothing to cut away
Speaker 4: the risers off my camera lease assemblies. So that was
Speaker 4: bad jump number one. Bad jump number two was it
Speaker 4: was my first seventeen jump and I didn't realize that
Speaker 4: the plane is a lot bigger, so the platform kind
Speaker 4: of when you open the doors, a platform for your
Speaker 4: feet actually come out and go past the door. So
Speaker 4: I didn't realize that that happened because I've been jumping
Speaker 4: C one thirties my entire career so far, and as
Speaker 4: I jumped out, I didn't account for the distance of
Speaker 4: the platform. So I literally jumped onto the platform, onto
Speaker 4: the platform, and my forward momentum, like my heels hit
Speaker 4: the edge and caused me to start front flipping. So
Speaker 4: basically I started front flipping through my risers like two
Speaker 4: or three times, and then I thought I was gonna
Speaker 4: totally die because you know, you don't want your.
Speaker 5: Feet to go through those things.
Speaker 4: And for some reason, I did perfect front flips just
Speaker 4: through my wrap and I had no twists. My parachute
Speaker 4: opened up perfectly, and I'm screaming the entire time. You're
Speaker 4: supposed to do a six second count, so like one thousand,
Speaker 4: two thousand, three thousand, but my six second count was.
Speaker 5: And it opened up, and I'm looking up and I'm
Speaker 5: seeing everything.
Speaker 4: You know, the riser is a parachute, fully expand I
Speaker 4: got no twists, and I'm still looking up screaming, like realize,
Speaker 4: I'm okay. But as I look to my left, I'm
Speaker 4: literally approaching another jumper's vent and that's like yeah, and
Speaker 4: that's another thing. So I finally pull a slip, and
Speaker 4: I'm like, we're yelling at each other, and like, as
Speaker 4: I'm feet away from this thing, a gust of wind
Speaker 4: picks me up and takes me away. And this is
Speaker 4: all a combat jump too, So I have full equipment
Speaker 4: on me, and as I'm coming to the ground, I
Speaker 4: try to lower my equipment.
Speaker 5: It doesn't go je.
Speaker 2: So you're trying to drop your ruckstack, right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm trying to drop my rucksack, and you have
Speaker 4: this little poll tab between your legs, which basically all
Speaker 4: your equipment is attached to this like like fifteen or
Speaker 4: twenty foot cord and it sends the rucksack underneath you
Speaker 4: so you don't land.
Speaker 5: On top of it. But I'm pulling and it's not
Speaker 5: letting go.
Speaker 4: So I'm like, I have to ride this thing in
Speaker 4: and that's really dangerous because the ruckstack has a metal
Speaker 4: frame and if something happens, you know, dudes have snapped
Speaker 4: their femurs broken legs all the time.
Speaker 5: By riding gear.
Speaker 2: In, you have to do a plf right, you have
Speaker 2: to do more. In order to do that. You have
Speaker 2: to have your knees together and then hit the ground
Speaker 2: and roll right.
Speaker 5: But there's a giant rucksack between your legs. You can't
Speaker 5: do that. So that's how you stamp legs.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so yeah, somehow, like I'm like, here we go.
Speaker 4: Here comes a career ending injury, and then all of
Speaker 4: a sudden updraft from the ground right before I hit
Speaker 4: the ground and I land soft. I literally just sat
Speaker 4: on my rucksack and I was like, this was the
Speaker 4: worst jump ever.
Speaker 2: That sounds gnarly. I saw my dad's friend jump halo
Speaker 2: here at the Augden Airport when they're doing like a
Speaker 2: green bereat training day. They're all doing static lines. But
Speaker 2: then their buddy, Kim, small little dude, he jumped out
Speaker 2: from higher up doing this halo and they're all watching, watching, watching,
Speaker 2: We're staying by the picnic tables, and then all of
Speaker 2: a sudden, they all just start running. They just know something, right, Yeah,
Speaker 2: So what happened was the wind had picked him up
Speaker 2: about forty feet from the ground and just boom brought
Speaker 2: him down. Yeah, yeah, just dropped him. So they were
Speaker 2: just running like right away. But I just like that's
Speaker 2: dad and guys. So dudes being dudes, you know, going
Speaker 2: through their qualification course. You know you sure you didn't
Speaker 2: happen in training? You sure this didn't happen. Sure it's
Speaker 2: not attributed to your injuries in the military. Are you
Speaker 2: sure about that? Yeah? Dragon, you sure about that?
Speaker 5: Are you sure about that?
Speaker 3: Sure that?
Speaker 2: Now let's start some controversy. What's the best the most
Speaker 2: best regiment in the ranger regiment? Which one is the best?
Speaker 2: The best?
Speaker 1: Uh?
Speaker 2: Yeah, the best, the best?
Speaker 4: Oh, it's really hard to say the best. It's I
Speaker 4: guess it depends on what you consider the best the best.
Speaker 4: I think the best quality of life is the best,
Speaker 4: which is two seven five for sure, which is my battalion.
Speaker 4: I'm super biased, so that's why I say that. I
Speaker 4: think if you want to get the most experience, go
Speaker 4: to you another battalion because we are considered the red
Speaker 4: headed stepchild of the Ranger Regiment because we always deploy
Speaker 4: in the winter time. They always give all the good
Speaker 4: deployments to three seven five and one seven five because
Speaker 4: they're closer to the flagpole. But the quality of life
Speaker 4: at two seven five is just amazing because you're in
Speaker 4: Washington State. You're away from like all the big commanders,
Speaker 4: and you know, you're just free to kind of do
Speaker 4: your own thing under your own little two seven five
Speaker 4: nest and you're surrounded by this beautiful Washington So that's
Speaker 4: I think two seven five is the best.
Speaker 2: But is that the orange diamond logo? Is that right
Speaker 2: with the two in it?
Speaker 5: That is correct?
Speaker 4: So we were the we were the first battalion to
Speaker 4: actually use those. And it was during World War two
Speaker 4: when the was it two some five stormed Point do Hawk,
Speaker 4: which was like one of the turning points of the war.
Speaker 4: Like the the ships couldn't even land on Omaha Beach
Speaker 4: if the Point Do Hawk artillery cannons weren't taken out.
Speaker 4: So it was one of the most important feats that
Speaker 4: allowed dd it actually you.
Speaker 5: Know, actually happened.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So that they wore two diamonds on the back
Speaker 4: of their helmets to different that differentiate them from other units.
Speaker 4: And then they also had fifth Ranger Battalion, who's you know,
Speaker 4: not active anymore, but they were storming the beaches as well,
Speaker 4: so they had five diamonds on the back of their helmets.
Speaker 4: But yeah, the two diamonds became extremely popular after point
Speaker 4: you Hawk and yeah, I kind of every battalion got
Speaker 4: their own diamond, but two some five No's were the ogs.
Speaker 2: You know. I think Max Mullen a friend of mine.
Speaker 5: Yeah, mad Max Mullen.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, hardcore air softer. I fought for them so
Speaker 2: many times as my company commander as a lieutenant. He's like,
Speaker 2: we're gonna go rat. I was like, well Max, that way,
Speaker 2: He's like, let's do it. He's like, follow rad, Yeah,
Speaker 2: follow me, let's go boots on the ground, dude. That's
Speaker 2: a marchery.
Speaker 4: Funny fact about Max Mullin is I had a family
Speaker 4: friend growing up that was actually friends with him, and
Speaker 4: before I ever knew anything about Ranger Regiment, he was
Speaker 4: kind of the first Ranger that I like knew about.
Speaker 4: And then yeah, come to find out we were in
Speaker 4: the same platoon when he I think he jumped into
Speaker 4: Grenada or he jumped Yeah. So he was three Bravo
Speaker 4: in two five and I grew up in three Bravo,
Speaker 4: So I was like, oh, dude, that's that's awesome.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, he he has been on the show,
Speaker 2: and you know, I have known him for many years.
Speaker 2: I fought for him probably thirteen years now. I go
Speaker 2: to the Lion Clause events.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: The majority of the time we go storm the old
Speaker 2: Air Force Base in California in Victorville. Yeahs over there.
Speaker 2: So we fight there, and we've had like, you know,
Speaker 2: Danny McKnight from you know, also Ranger Hall of Fame,
Speaker 2: Blackhawk Down. He was Company eight commander, and then Matt
Speaker 2: Max's Company B commander. So here we are hunting Danny McKnight.
Speaker 2: You know, it's like, what's up, bro, let's go Yeah,
Speaker 2: what about you? Is he what's your favorite? What unit
Speaker 2: are you from? What group?
Speaker 3: I mean from for first group also out of Fort Lewis, Washington. Actually,
Speaker 3: so Cameron and I were on the same base, but
Speaker 3: just at different times. I was there from around two
Speaker 3: thousand and seven to two thousand and nine, and yeah,
Speaker 3: he was there a little bit later, but It's true
Speaker 3: Fort Lewis. I mean, Washington State is a beautiful state
Speaker 3: and Fort Lewis is a really really nice post. I
Speaker 3: guess they call it Joint Base Lewis McCord now because
Speaker 3: they got.
Speaker 5: Mccorse shared with the Air Force.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, I mean I love First Group.
Speaker 2: I was.
Speaker 3: I'm a big nerd, so I loved anime and Japanese
Speaker 3: girls at the time, and so I'm like, well, I
Speaker 3: want to go to First Group because I know we
Speaker 3: have a battalion out in Okinawa, and had I stayed
Speaker 3: in any any longer, that would have been my request
Speaker 3: is to go out and spend some time in Okinawa
Speaker 3: in that.
Speaker 2: Theater, that operation yeah see yeah, that wash Philippines and
Speaker 2: the whole Southeast Asia operations with nineteen So you were
Speaker 2: looking for put me in Yeah, yeah, tentacles and some
Speaker 2: uh some crazy uh yeah.
Speaker 5: Get a soapy every Saturday.
Speaker 2: Yeah, dude, bro, they got so much air Soft in Japan. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 2: that the godfathers of that whole sport. Really yea Japan. Yeah,
Speaker 2: they go.
Speaker 3: Let they go, They go hard in Japan.
Speaker 2: They hard. They go on dates. They'll go on one floor
Speaker 2: to a date and then on the next floor up
Speaker 2: in the same building as an airsoft arena that they
Speaker 2: shoot at with their dates and stuff. It's like, you know,
Speaker 2: I've got a kill house here in Utah where we
Speaker 2: can all get together. But it's not quite like dinner
Speaker 2: and a drink, you know what I mean. It's like
Speaker 2: this is like you're sweating to the oldies in there
Speaker 2: and hunting each other.
Speaker 3: And yeah, that's a great experience, man.
Speaker 2: It is. It is. It's a good, healthy experience, like
Speaker 2: I said, And it's very pop culture. Now with that said,
Speaker 2: and thanks for telling us a little bit about some
Speaker 2: some traumatizing experience jumping out of airplanes.
Speaker 5: Life is trauma.
Speaker 2: What do you consider pop culture for your field manual?
Speaker 2: Is he Let's start with you.
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, culture is the sum total of what,
Speaker 3: you know, what any society produces, and pop culture is
Speaker 3: what's most in people's minds, right, what's the most popular.
Speaker 3: And so with the podcast, we try to we try
Speaker 3: to get a little bit of everything. We try to
Speaker 3: get a little bit of each of the categories, whether
Speaker 3: it's you know, gangster movies or sci fi films or
Speaker 3: fantasy monster movies, all that kind of stuff. So, yeah,
Speaker 3: pop culture is. Uh, it's very important. I think, you know,
Speaker 3: I heard somebody say one time politics runs downstream of culture,
Speaker 3: and so the what the culture produces, what is popular,
Speaker 3: what is most on people's minds, is what's influencing people
Speaker 3: in their mindsets, in their views, uh, you know, in
Speaker 3: their principles and stuff. And so I've become more focused
Speaker 3: on that and more interested in what culture is and
Speaker 3: how to create it and what kind of stories to
Speaker 3: tell as I've gotten older. I think we run on stories. Man.
Speaker 3: I heard somebody say once that the most powerful person
Speaker 3: in society is the storyteller, and so I'm very interested
Speaker 3: in stories and the kinds of stories that we tell
Speaker 3: because this is this it's how our culture identifies itself.
Speaker 3: It's what we tell ourselves we are. And so all
Speaker 3: the stuff that we talk about on the podcast, in
Speaker 3: addition to all the things that you might do and
Speaker 3: like Airsoft or Milsom, I think all that stuff's crucial.
Speaker 3: It's so important because he can teach us, you know,
Speaker 3: good principles and life lessons and all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 3: So I'm happy. I'm feel very privileged if you will,
Speaker 3: to be with Cameron, to have met Cameron, because we
Speaker 3: have a good rapport and we're really good friends. And
Speaker 3: I love doing the podcast so to be able to
Speaker 3: have just like a little corner of the internet, to
Speaker 3: kind of have my voice and say what I want
Speaker 3: to say and rant and rave about what a horrible
Speaker 3: movie the last Jedi is. Uh, you know, I feel
Speaker 3: it feels good, man, it feels good.
Speaker 2: Yeah? Is that the same? You got to say, what's
Speaker 2: what about you? What about you? Camra? What do you saying?
Speaker 4: I'll give you a less articulated and intelligent answer.
Speaker 2: Because it was.
Speaker 3: Coming through.
Speaker 2: That's that come.
Speaker 4: Uh yeah, big words and well thought out goods everybody.
Speaker 5: Well for me.
Speaker 4: You know, like we said earlier in the show, you know,
Speaker 4: there is something out there that whether you're different sides
Speaker 4: of the political spectrum, or you have different beliefs, different religions,
Speaker 4: moral values, there is something that you share with another person,
Speaker 4: even on the other side, that can connect you. And
Speaker 4: you know, when you're, like you said, when you're trying
Speaker 4: to have a dialogue going back and forth, I think
Speaker 4: the first thing in order to make that happen is
Speaker 4: to find common grounds, something that you know makes you
Speaker 4: feel human to each other because a lot of times
Speaker 4: you get so caught up and you know, thinking this
Speaker 4: is the enemy or that someone that doesn't think the
Speaker 4: same way as I. Uh, you know, they're wrong and
Speaker 4: they're different. So one thing that I think almost everybody
Speaker 4: has done or seen is cinema movies, you know, and
Speaker 4: plus it's super easy when you know Izzy and I
Speaker 4: we've both deployed, and we both know how important movies, films,
Speaker 4: TV shows, are, video games even are to deployed soldiers,
Speaker 4: because what else do you do when you're not working,
Speaker 4: when you're not lifting, when you're not eating. The only
Speaker 4: thing you do is sit and game and watch with
Speaker 4: your brothers. So that was something you know that I
Speaker 4: experienced as something he experienced, and then that we came
Speaker 4: together and realized, oh my god, yeah, this is something
Speaker 4: we've both done with something and experience we both shared.
Speaker 4: So let's start a podcast and see if we can
Speaker 4: have that same connection with the listener. And so far
Speaker 4: it seemed to work.
Speaker 2: So and Shift Fire is the original thing you guys
Speaker 2: did together, right.
Speaker 4: Shift Fire and the PCFM podcast were they birth kind
Speaker 4: of in the same time area, Isy, which said.
Speaker 3: The podcast came at first it was gameology specops React
Speaker 3: shortly after that was the podcast not long after that
Speaker 3: with Shift Fire exactly.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and Shift You know, the podcast has always been
Speaker 4: a little bit more important to Izzy and I just
Speaker 4: because it's been our own when we've worked on Shift Fire.
Speaker 4: Even though you know, it was us in front of
Speaker 4: the camera, it wasn't necessarily owned by us.
Speaker 5: We partnered with.
Speaker 4: The production company that you know owned the same channel
Speaker 4: as Gameology. So even though it was an amazing relationship
Speaker 4: and uh, and we learned a lot about how to
Speaker 4: produce our own content, which obviously helps for our podcast
Speaker 4: and any future endeavors we might have.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it didn't own us.
Speaker 4: So you know, even though it was like our representation,
Speaker 4: our face, we definitely put a lot of effort into it,
Speaker 4: But I don't think we had like the emotional connection
Speaker 4: that we do to this.
Speaker 5: Podcast because this is like our baby. You know, we
Speaker 5: built this, and you're.
Speaker 2: In charge of this. This is you, uh, you know,
Speaker 2: you get to say what goes between the two of
Speaker 2: you one hundred percent. You know you're doing the programming.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, big shout out to Chris too. He's our
Speaker 3: unsung hero, magic voice Chris. He comes onto the podcast sometimes,
Speaker 3: but he's the one who produces it for the most part,
Speaker 3: puts it up, gets it distributed, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, that's my Anton. What's up Anton? Yeah, bro,
Speaker 2: I know you are. You're great, dude. It's true. It's true.
Speaker 2: There's there's people behind the scenes that you know, may
Speaker 2: seem like I'm just in my in this nice beautiful
Speaker 2: set here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I love it. Yeah, it's greatboards again,
Speaker 3: snowboards and you're the Green Beret. I love that man.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Dad, Dad and mom and I got his
Speaker 2: uh tie jump wings up there too, which is like
Speaker 2: that little elephant on it. And then yeah, I jumped
Speaker 2: out of jumped out of the hot air balloon.
Speaker 3: Kidding. I always wanted to do that.
Speaker 2: He told me that was the most surreal experience because
Speaker 2: he said, son, I just hooked up and just stepped off,
Speaker 2: and it was just silence. There was no nothing, It's
Speaker 2: just and I was like, okay, Dad, can I go
Speaker 2: in your rucksack? Yeah. He would take baseball's too, like
Speaker 2: different wherever, and then he'd bring him back all signed
Speaker 2: and dated like this is from the Florida Swamp jump.
Speaker 2: We all got stuck in the mud, and it's like
Speaker 2: I still have all those shocked looking baseball Yeah, because
Speaker 2: I can't get in the rough sack. I like, can
Speaker 2: I fit?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 5: You legit wanted to go. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Could you imagine, you know, later in life, as he's
Speaker 2: getting ready to pass smart. Yeah, you know, he's like,
Speaker 2: I'm so sorry I introduced you all this stuff at
Speaker 2: a young age. I said, why, Dad, I love it.
Speaker 2: He's like, that's why, dang it, dude. My dad was
Speaker 2: very Mormon too, so I grew up very Mormon, very
Speaker 2: Green Beret, not repping green Beret. He didn't really walk
Speaker 2: around saying he was that. He was dad professional. I'm
Speaker 2: way more boastrous about it than my father ever was,
Speaker 2: you know, so it's like and more proud of it affirmative.
Speaker 3: That's interesting that like neither Cameron nor myself can we
Speaker 3: you correct me if I'm wrong, But neither of us
Speaker 3: came from like a really military heavy family like I.
Speaker 3: I had some cousins that had maybe done one or
Speaker 3: two years in the Army Marines, but I was the
Speaker 3: only one in my immediate family that that went in
Speaker 3: And it was kind of a kind of a whim
Speaker 3: for me.
Speaker 2: You know, are both your parents together still? Were they
Speaker 2: at the time?
Speaker 3: No, No. My parents divorced when I was like very young,
Speaker 3: like five or six years old. So that's the kind
Speaker 3: of tumultuous background that I came from.
Speaker 2: And I noticed that, you know, what about you? You
Speaker 2: mind if I asked, Cameron, did you share your past
Speaker 2: together at the same time when you enlisted? Was it
Speaker 2: a tough upbringing for you? Yeah?
Speaker 4: No, I you know, obviously everybody has their challenges growing up.
Speaker 4: I considered I considered my childhood you know, fairly fairly normal,
Speaker 4: you know, but I never had aspirations to like go
Speaker 4: to school or anything like it. Ever since I was
Speaker 4: like eleven or twelve years old, the military has been
Speaker 4: my path. And then basically, you know, my parents were
Speaker 4: not together. They got divorced when I was in middle school.
Speaker 4: But ever since that, that's kind of like when I
Speaker 4: wanted to join the military, I don't know what really
Speaker 4: ingrained that. I just had this amazing fascination and appreciation
Speaker 4: for service members, But you know, I had no aspirations
Speaker 4: to go special operations. I didn't even know that was
Speaker 4: the thing you could do after basic training. I thought
Speaker 4: that was like you do your time, you know, you
Speaker 4: do your time, and.
Speaker 5: Then you get seasoned.
Speaker 4: And experience and then you go, I had no idea
Speaker 4: you can get a ranger contracts. So when they offered
Speaker 4: it to me, I was like, what in the hell
Speaker 4: is going on? And I was like, oh, okay, you.
Speaker 2: See see something that I noticed, and I'm just going
Speaker 2: to pull up my dad's creds as well. Yes, adopted,
Speaker 2: you know, yea twelve adopted a twelve. So living wow
Speaker 2: in back in the day in Wisconsin, Bartibar or wherever
Speaker 2: passed around.
Speaker 5: That's like you have experience and memories and the thought.
Speaker 2: Processes percent and so these young kids go through these
Speaker 2: traumatic experiences to grow up very quickly. Okay, And that
Speaker 2: is kind of like now, all of a sudden, drill
Speaker 2: Sergeant is more father than father ever could be, because
Speaker 2: you know they're actually paying attention to you. Why did
Speaker 2: you shove your boots so well? Did I did I
Speaker 2: do it? Well? I'm gonna do it better for you.
Speaker 6: Now you think I did that well, You're like, yes, valid, yes, yes,
Speaker 6: tell me I'm good.
Speaker 2: So a lot of the folks that come on who
Speaker 2: have gone through a lot of the riggers in the
Speaker 2: and the situations you guys have, have come from a
Speaker 2: challenging background, And I only pull that out because my
Speaker 2: listener out there might be coming from a struggling background
Speaker 2: as well.
Speaker 4: You know, I think the you know, the military is
Speaker 4: an amazing opportunity, right because it's not.
Speaker 5: I'm not going to say it's not. It's not.
Speaker 4: It's absolutely not an equal employer, like an equal quality.
Speaker 2: Everybody in the military is a good person. Yeah, no, no, yeah, you.
Speaker 4: Know, I'm saying like, and not everyone can join the military,
Speaker 4: but I wish they could because the structure and the
Speaker 4: discipline and the lessons that I learned in the military
Speaker 4: made me the man I am today, right, and then
Speaker 4: also the benefits that come with it from the service
Speaker 4: that you've given to your nation. Obviously it's not always
Speaker 4: been like that, but I think we finally got it
Speaker 4: right to an extent, of course.
Speaker 5: But uh, yeah, I looking at the.
Speaker 4: Person I was before the military and the person I
Speaker 4: am after night and day. I wouldn't even recognize myself
Speaker 4: on the street, and if I did, I'd probably kick
Speaker 4: my ass because I was a little shit.
Speaker 2: But uh, sounds like David as is coming out of you. Yeah,
Speaker 2: listen to me.
Speaker 6: Get off the counts, Brodie, really running right now on
Speaker 6: your podcast.
Speaker 5: Yeah, running, Yeah, get up, going to him.
Speaker 2: I've been boxing every day straight, you know, trying to
Speaker 2: show up and be in the gym, and so every
Speaker 2: morning it's like, you know, without without fail. And I'm
Speaker 2: looking at my coaches today and They're like, you're here
Speaker 2: more than we are, and I'm like, I'm not trying
Speaker 2: to play a trick on you. I swear to God.
Speaker 2: Is this cool? Is it? Is it okay that I'm
Speaker 2: here every day in the gym, punching this bag and
Speaker 2: listening to what you're telling me to do, so I can,
Speaker 2: you know, take care of myself and heart wise, health wise,
Speaker 2: boxing wise. You know, it's just consistent.
Speaker 5: Yeah, stay, Consistency is a skill as it is.
Speaker 2: They're like, oh, dang, I think he's taking advantage of
Speaker 2: the unlimited classes you are, and that's their fault. I've
Speaker 2: seen real genius. I know how Laslow works. Okay, of
Speaker 2: the Freedom Lay competition, bro.
Speaker 3: I love it, man, Al Kilmer, I love it, man?
Speaker 2: What right?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah? Yeah, no, it's great man. I would say
Speaker 3: I would add to what Cameron is saying is the military.
Speaker 3: It's the gift that keeps on giving if you let it.
Speaker 3: You know, I've learned. I've been out for thirteen years
Speaker 3: at this point, and I still learn lessons from my
Speaker 3: time in the military. I have the same memories, but
Speaker 3: as I grow and I change and I develop, I
Speaker 3: think about my military time and I learned different lessons
Speaker 3: from it. And then lessons that I learned come back
Speaker 3: every once in a while, and they reiterate themselves and
Speaker 3: they they show themselves to be true. And so it's
Speaker 3: it's good, man. It's good if you If you want
Speaker 3: some structure, if you want some guidance, if you want
Speaker 3: some challenge in your life, and you want to be
Speaker 3: a part of something greater than yourself. The military can
Speaker 3: provide all those things. It does not want to guarantee. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: there's no guarantees in the military because I know people
Speaker 3: that went in and they came out and they did
Speaker 3: not benefit from their time in the military, and they're
Speaker 3: resentful and and yeah bitter, But it can it can
Speaker 3: benefit you greatly.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I didn't have a full Green Beret experience in
Speaker 2: the military, and I had to do things that I
Speaker 2: didn't want to do because people told me to do
Speaker 2: it because they didn't like me. But at the end
Speaker 2: of the day, I got a VA home loan.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you go, yeah, lows.
Speaker 2: To that. You know that you're gonna get a discount
Speaker 2: at dispensaries.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: Look, you're not gonna smoke when you're in, I promise, okay,
Speaker 2: but when you get out you're probably.
Speaker 5: Gonna look into it.
Speaker 2: There's a discount for you. There's a discount. Yeah, Military
Speaker 2: fifteen percent off. Bro.
Speaker 5: You know, one day a year go to Apple's get
Speaker 5: a free meal.
Speaker 3: Military at basket.
Speaker 5: Yeah, they say, hunt the good stuff, Hunt the good stuff.
Speaker 2: Wheel and my dad around the VA though, wearing a
Speaker 2: full VA hospital outfit to piece with a barcode that
Speaker 2: says property of US government. As I go, Dad, I
Speaker 2: thought you were tired. He looked at me and he's like,
Speaker 2: yeah about that. You know, it's like a barco so
Speaker 2: you can be scanned. It says property US Government. You're
Speaker 2: not no, no no Va, good old Va. No.
Speaker 5: Let's talk about that.
Speaker 2: In pop culture, let me ask you something, what was
Speaker 2: your specialty? Like eighteen echo eighteen Charlie, Bravo, what'd you do? Correct?
Speaker 3: Eighteen echo communication sergeant? Oh yeah, okay, And I I
Speaker 3: gotta admit man. At the time, I had a plan
Speaker 3: to be in for a couple of years to do
Speaker 3: some stuff and then to get out because I wanted
Speaker 3: to be a famous actor out here in Los Angeles. Still, yeah,
Speaker 3: you never know.
Speaker 2: No, I don't, I do know. Huh yeah, thanks, I
Speaker 2: got IMDb, bro, I'm working on it.
Speaker 3: Go for you go. There you go, man, dude, Yeah,
Speaker 3: thanks man, I appreciate that.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I need all the encouragement I can get from a
Speaker 3: broken home.
Speaker 2: So well, hey, look what you did though you passed
Speaker 2: right at home. My dad was always there for me.
Speaker 2: Yeah you know what I'm saying, Like, that's what happens.
Speaker 2: He's like gonna beat it for my kids. Someone wasn't
Speaker 2: there for him.
Speaker 3: There you go, man, Yeah, I can. You can turn
Speaker 3: it around in a generation. You can turn it around.
Speaker 3: That's something that I think everyone listening to this should
Speaker 3: keep in mind. Man, whatever you wherever past you came from,
Speaker 3: that you can turn it around.
Speaker 2: You know that's right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, uh yeah, that's right. Yeah, that's right. Never too
Speaker 3: old to start over again. Like I am.
Speaker 2: You know, is a communications master?
Speaker 3: Well, I mean I hope so I was. I was
Speaker 3: the junior on my team. So I give that credit
Speaker 3: to Mike Saint Clair he was my senior and he
Speaker 3: knew everything and I learned a lot from him. But yeah,
Speaker 3: all things communication, whether it's computers or stat phones or
Speaker 3: you know, the radios inside the humpies, that's your job.
Speaker 3: And if comms goes down, that's your fault. And if
Speaker 3: they work, great, nobody cares.
Speaker 2: Did you carry a pigeon around in your pocket just
Speaker 2: in case a pigeon carrier pigeon?
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh. Yeah no. I had a lighter with
Speaker 3: some tinder so I could do smoke signals.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, dude, give him a pigeon patch. Yeah, here
Speaker 2: you go, eighteen echo.
Speaker 3: I'll tell you what, man, that's my mom. And my
Speaker 3: mom took care of the carrier pigeons for my stepdad
Speaker 3: for a long time. And they say that China's got
Speaker 3: a million carrier pigeons. Man, so they're ready if they.
Speaker 2: Go in all of like Game of Thrones, Is it
Speaker 2: not a real thing?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, the ravens and everything, so it's so reliable. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 2: Oh this message is from six months ago. It says
Speaker 2: we're under castle.
Speaker 3: Yeah help quick?
Speaker 2: Yeah exactly, you up?
Speaker 5: Question mark you up?
Speaker 2: I just slid in. Yeah, it didn't hold that bro. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's awesome. That's awesome. Now you guys seeing a good
Speaker 2: success on your podcast, people coming in and listening.
Speaker 3: Yeah, man, Yeah, it's been fun. We have a good
Speaker 3: dedicated bass. I would say of people that really they
Speaker 3: love hanging out with us. Uh, they like what we do.
Speaker 3: Now it's just a I mean, I think it's just
Speaker 3: a matter of like getting the word out. I guess
Speaker 3: you could say, maybe marketing ourselves a little bit because
Speaker 3: I like what the podcast is and I'm all, we're
Speaker 3: always looking for ideas on how to add value to
Speaker 3: what we're doing because it's a good time and we
Speaker 3: got some good people listening with good like you say, man,
Speaker 3: the community, the fans, whoever supports the that's what matters, man,
Speaker 3: they really do. It sounds so cliche when you say,
Speaker 3: you hear some celebrity been like, it's all about the fans, man,
Speaker 3: It's all about you guys. It really is, because they
Speaker 3: are the reason why we can continue to do what
Speaker 3: we do. And then they're the support structure. If you
Speaker 3: want to try new things, they're with you. They're like, yeah,
Speaker 3: I love what we love you guys, we love what
Speaker 3: you do. Let's try this new thing. So it's I
Speaker 3: appreciate it very much. So so yeah, whatever we could
Speaker 3: do to get the word out man. And by the way,
Speaker 3: thank you for having us on the show.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Absolutely, it's been a pleasure.
Speaker 2: Man. Well it just shows I love having this type
Speaker 2: of a conversation because a it shows that you can
Speaker 2: go in the military, have an experience in the military,
Speaker 2: grow from those things, get out of the military. That's
Speaker 2: who you were, This is who you are. A lot
Speaker 2: of folks forget that's who you are today versus who
Speaker 2: you were then. You may have passed. Yeah, been a sniper,
Speaker 2: but that's not today. Today you're like driving the school bus.
Speaker 2: You know. It's like I mean, I'm just saying, like
Speaker 2: the opposite spectrums. Yeah, so oh yeah.
Speaker 4: No, to appreciate your experiences and you know, learn from
Speaker 4: them and understand that's where you came from, but to
Speaker 4: not fully encompass.
Speaker 5: Your life and who you were. But you know, who
Speaker 5: are you today?
Speaker 4: You know, how do you take those lessons you learned
Speaker 4: back then from being you know, I think that's a
Speaker 4: that's a big problem. Like I've had friends, you know,
Speaker 4: and seen it firsthand, you know, being in ranger regiment,
Speaker 4: being told you're the best of the best. Then getting
Speaker 4: out and driving a truck for Amazon and like breaking
Speaker 4: down because you've been told you're the best of all
Speaker 4: kinds and now you're you know, back to the bottom
Speaker 4: and you're.
Speaker 5: Like, well, I don't deserve this, and it's just like okay,
Speaker 5: the best.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, but if you can take, you know, those
Speaker 4: lessons that you learned. And you know, the one thing
Speaker 4: I learned is be the best at everything you do,
Speaker 4: regardless of if you hated not So even if I
Speaker 4: worked at Burger King, I would be the best burger
Speaker 4: flipper you ever fucking seen. But you know, working your
Speaker 4: way through and taking those challenges, and I think it's
Speaker 4: all about mindset. But yeah, no, you're absolutely right. Just
Speaker 4: not living in the past about who you were. Like
Speaker 4: you're somebody today and you're somebody with just a little
Speaker 4: bit more you know, experience from those experiences you've had,
Speaker 4: so take them and use them to your advantage.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's great, Cameron. I try to. You know, I
Speaker 3: had a little bit of imposter syndrome when we kind
Speaker 3: of started first doing the gameology stuff and the shift
Speaker 3: fire stuff because I was out for so long. I
Speaker 3: thought to myself what do I have to offer. I
Speaker 3: don't know anything anymore. I can't tell you the designation
Speaker 3: of that weapon. I don't remember what the field manual
Speaker 3: was for this regulation. And Cameron has been such a
Speaker 3: helpful bulwark of strength when it comes to that kind
Speaker 3: of knowledge. But I had to ask myself, like, what
Speaker 3: what do I have to offer? And what I can
Speaker 3: do is each day I can honor what I was.
Speaker 3: I can remember what I was, and I can use
Speaker 3: the principles and take the same spirit of the Green
Speaker 3: Beret of Special Forces into everything that I do. Whether
Speaker 3: it's just a simple podcast, whether it's a live stream
Speaker 3: or or just an inn a daily interaction with somebody
Speaker 3: that I don't even know, I can still take the
Speaker 3: spirit of the Green Beret, and that is spree to
Speaker 3: cores and that those honors I can take the leadership, loyalty, duty, respect,
Speaker 3: selfless service, honor, integrity, and personal courage. Those are good
Speaker 3: things that you can take into anything. Even though I'm
Speaker 3: not wearing a uniform anymore, I can still act like
Speaker 3: a soldier. I can still in whatever I'm doing.
Speaker 2: You know you're you say such nice things so well.
Speaker 3: He's such an articulate gentleman.
Speaker 2: Yeah, let me just let me flatter you a little bit, okay,
Speaker 2: because you know there's the uniform can be worn or
Speaker 2: you can wear the uniform. So I think that you
Speaker 2: are that a spree. I think that you are that
Speaker 2: SF culture already that they pulled out of you. They're
Speaker 2: just like, let's just hone in on these skill sets
Speaker 2: that you have, right and same with you. You guys
Speaker 2: are already badass and the best. It just happens a b.
Speaker 2: You went through the SF training and you went through
Speaker 2: the Ranger Regiment training, but it's already in you. You
Speaker 2: are those things, so when you get out, you're still
Speaker 2: those things. Yeah.
Speaker 5: I love that saying. Thank you for saying that, my friend.
Speaker 4: But you know that you know that old saying this
Speaker 4: is you see it on a bumper sticker sometime, and
Speaker 4: it has to do with devil Dogs.
Speaker 5: It's like not as lean, not as mean, but still
Speaker 5: a marine. I love those dudes.
Speaker 4: But it's like, yeah, you know, you're still an example
Speaker 4: of where you came from, and it's like you can
Speaker 4: never take that away from you.
Speaker 2: So yeah, because you had it when you went in,
Speaker 2: and you have it when you get out.
Speaker 5: And it's also a curse.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's also I think it's also a little bit
Speaker 4: of a curse because like wherever I go now, like
Speaker 4: when I went to college after what.
Speaker 2: Your ancestors said is they kicked as to get you here. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's a curse.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, it was a curse.
Speaker 4: Now, wherever you go, the title green beread, the title
Speaker 4: of army ranger sits on your shoulders, and you are
Speaker 4: still you were still a representation, you were still an
Speaker 4: example to sit like you're going to be for life.
Speaker 4: So like if you slack, if you slack off and
Speaker 4: you're one of those guys, it's like, yeah, I was
Speaker 4: a ranger, and then you know you're slacking off for
Speaker 4: being lazier, doing the wrong thing.
Speaker 5: It makes it makes everybody else look bad. So yeah,
Speaker 5: so it's a curse.
Speaker 4: It's a blessing and a curse because I had that
Speaker 4: in school because I hate school. But when I went
Speaker 4: to college, they're like, what did you do? I was like, oh,
Speaker 4: I was in the military. And obviously you know civilians,
Speaker 4: they dig, they're like, oh, what'd you do in the military.
Speaker 4: I was like, oh, I was a ranger. So my
Speaker 4: entire four years in college you're like that guy's a ranger.
Speaker 4: So I had to get on her graduate right, Yeah,
Speaker 4: I had to go on the dean's list.
Speaker 5: I had to. And that's what I did.
Speaker 4: I got, you know, kum Laud at a school that
Speaker 4: I didn't even want to go to.
Speaker 2: But you did it, bro, because that's you. It's you.
Speaker 2: It's you, and that's why you're doing this and that's
Speaker 2: why we're crossing paths and here you are, you know,
Speaker 2: because just you're just being yourself. Yeah, and all you do,
Speaker 2: you're just real. And that's what I get from Izzy,
Speaker 2: And that's what I get from you, is just And
Speaker 2: that's what you said to me. You're like, Bro, you've
Speaker 2: already figured yourself out. Mom, I don't pretty much have, dude.
Speaker 2: I I just walk around if we're all created in
Speaker 2: a religion of gods looking like gods, and we're all
Speaker 2: gods walking around with gods, so no one's above me
Speaker 2: and no one's below me. We're all together at the
Speaker 2: same level. So you know, I just see three other
Speaker 2: two other gods in front of me.
Speaker 5: Yeahs.
Speaker 3: And you know one thing I would say, reasons give
Speaker 3: or reasons yeah right and everything? Yeah and everything, yes, Well,
Speaker 3: and I would say that you you know, I think
Speaker 3: you hat on something about the uh you know, being
Speaker 3: made in God's image, right, Yes, I talked about that
Speaker 3: in scripture, you know. So that means, like you say,
Speaker 3: we're all of equal value. What we have in being
Speaker 3: military man or coming from military backgrounds, that is an
Speaker 3: amazing thing. It's it's something that we can carry with us,
Speaker 3: something that we will always be a part of. If
Speaker 3: you never served, right, I hear a lot of people
Speaker 3: saying like, ah, man, I wish I'd never did serve.
Speaker 3: I couldn't medical, I had a mental thing. Whatever what
Speaker 3: you're saying is still true. That stuff is still in there.
Speaker 3: It was just the crucible of the military that brought
Speaker 3: out of us. You can find that thing that brings
Speaker 3: it out of you. And if you if you don't
Speaker 3: have an organization, you can go out and find a softple.
Speaker 3: You can find airsoft. Yeah, exactly, man, Probably there's so.
Speaker 2: Many Captain America's is he so many kids there you
Speaker 2: go who could never join because of asthma or their parents.
Speaker 2: Let's let's point this out before we wrap this up.
Speaker 2: Some of my friends have been put on adderall under
Speaker 2: the age of eighteen. Knowing they're playing airsoft so hardcore.
Speaker 2: The parents are like, oh shit, I think they might
Speaker 2: want to join. Yeah, and so they're like, oh, get
Speaker 2: them in, get them prescribed adderall. And then now all
Speaker 2: of a sudden he's like, oh, I can't join the
Speaker 2: Navy my parents. I'm on adderall.
Speaker 4: I'll tell you real quick if you're one of those
Speaker 4: people when you go to MEPs live.
Speaker 2: The World War two, World War it.
Speaker 5: Still works today. Man, people squeeze through the cracks all
Speaker 5: the time. No, that's definitely an issue.
Speaker 4: I've gotten a lot of messages about like, well, my
Speaker 4: parents won't allow me to join, Like, well.
Speaker 2: They'll bully one step further, like just kind of like
Speaker 2: get you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: It's like that's what the military is. Very hard organization
Speaker 5: to join.
Speaker 4: It's like, like I said, it's not an equal opportunity employer.
Speaker 2: You give a healthy body to somebody to the military,
Speaker 2: you're you're fully checked up, you're fully bent overspread. You
Speaker 2: go in baseball player, was me go in? You know,
Speaker 2: you guys had your own you know, athleticisms going in
Speaker 2: and then you get out and something's like, oh, man,
Speaker 2: I don't know, be sure that you.
Speaker 3: Do give a lot, man, you do give a lot.
Speaker 3: That's you don't.
Speaker 2: You don't.
Speaker 3: You're not the same After military service. You do sacrifice,
Speaker 3: and you will continue to pay. Some of us will
Speaker 3: continue to pay for the rest of our lives because
Speaker 3: of our military service. There is a price to pay.
Speaker 3: But for me, I would say it's worth it. It's
Speaker 3: worth when you pay. Even in the political kind of
Speaker 3: the current cultural political climate these days, you know, the
Speaker 3: leadership and stuff right now, I don't know that I
Speaker 3: would necessarily agree with everything that they're saying. Even this,
Speaker 3: Even then, the spirit of the military still survives, the
Speaker 3: spirit of the history and what where we came from,
Speaker 3: and the ideas, the ideals of a soldier are still alive.
Speaker 3: They just may not be completely lived out because leadership
Speaker 3: and politics and cultural trends and all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 3: But the things that are true are still true, you know.
Speaker 3: And so if you still have that idea that you
Speaker 3: want to join the military, I still say it's a
Speaker 3: good idea.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I still I'm not paid by the Guard or
Speaker 2: any army or marines. They don't give me the money
Speaker 2: for like sponsorship, and I don't want it. Right It's
Speaker 2: like I want them to want you, my listener to
Speaker 2: join if they want to join. Yeah, and if it's
Speaker 2: an organic conversation where it's like there's the National Guard,
Speaker 2: you can go start out at the state level. There's
Speaker 2: special forces in National Guard. Yea, you know, there's Guard. Yeah, yeah, right,
Speaker 2: you can go guard and you can just talk to
Speaker 2: your local National Guard recruiter. You can work a week
Speaker 2: in the month, two weeks a year. You can go ranger,
Speaker 2: active duty. There's things that are available or even excuse me,
Speaker 2: green beret active duty. That's how my dad worked it.
Speaker 2: He was still Guard, but he was like.
Speaker 5: An active in the nineteenth group, nineteen twentieth.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's best kept secret in the military, by the way, Yeah,
Speaker 4: nineteenth and twentieth group.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: You know. So it's like you, I'm just saying, if
Speaker 2: you're out there and you're thinking you want to give
Speaker 2: it a go, go talk to somebody and see if
Speaker 2: a career in the military is for you. That's the
Speaker 2: best way to do it, because it is a career.
Speaker 2: It is a choice. You're going to be in for
Speaker 2: six to eight I are are inactive ready reserves after right, right,
Speaker 2: So I mean, you know I didn't have like, you know,
Speaker 2: the special Forces experience. But I had a fun of
Speaker 2: time and I had a I saluted people I didn't
Speaker 2: have to, like I had had.
Speaker 3: A salute dude.
Speaker 2: Okay. Yeah. And my daughter he's like, you're going to
Speaker 2: salute people you like, and you're going to salute people
Speaker 2: you don't like.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And that's everywhere in life.
Speaker 4: That's right, whether you're in the workforce, military is just
Speaker 4: things are the same, yes.
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, Like Dick Winters said, man, you salute the uniforse,
Speaker 3: you salute the rank, not the man.
Speaker 2: That's right.
Speaker 3: You're going to work with people out in the real
Speaker 3: world that you do not like, that you don't get
Speaker 3: along with, but.
Speaker 2: You have to salute.
Speaker 3: Yeah you can. You could still make it work.
Speaker 2: Yeah. One time, my dad is pissed. He's like, sir, man,
Speaker 2: I call you an asshole, sir. He's like, you may not.
Speaker 2: He's like, then I will not call you an asshole, sir.
Speaker 2: That was his major. I remember that story. I mean,
Speaker 2: I remember my dad was pro chill. He's real chill
Speaker 2: all the time, you know, And I don't think I
Speaker 2: heard him say the F word two times. And when
Speaker 2: was he was yelling in the Armory at somebody. He's
Speaker 2: like Arah, and I was like, oh, dad's mad. Yeah
Speaker 2: that's all I thought. Okay, bad day for whoever that was.
Speaker 2: And then one time my friend was wearing a circle
Speaker 2: Jerks jacket and we were punk rock in ninth grade
Speaker 2: and we were walking from the school. My dad drove by.
Speaker 2: He's like, you guys want to ride. We're like, yeah, Dad,
Speaker 2: let's get in. So me and Dan got in. He's
Speaker 2: a professional drummer in a band right now, my buddy Dan,
Speaker 2: and he's wearing the circle Jerks jacket. My dad's like,
Speaker 2: so circle jerks huh. And he's driving our Lincoln. We're
Speaker 2: in the back seat. He's like, guys, know what that means, right,
Speaker 2: And we're like looking at each other, like, no, it's
Speaker 2: a band. He's like, means a bunch of dudes standing
Speaker 2: in a circle, but on each other.
Speaker 6: And I was like, dad just said did Dad just
Speaker 6: say that? I didn't even want to say the whole word,
Speaker 6: did Dad just say that? And I looked at Dan
Speaker 6: and Dan looked at me. We're like, your dad just
Speaker 6: said that to us, dude, Yeah.
Speaker 2: He never wore that leather jacket after that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's probably I'm in the punk community.
Speaker 2: Nothing does that know that this is nineteen ninety one, right, Yeah, he.
Speaker 3: Knew how to use it like that language. He knew
Speaker 3: how to use it like a sword like.
Speaker 2: And it drilled a whole right into me and Dan.
Speaker 2: And Dan again is a professional drummer in the youth
Speaker 2: and he's rocking and rolling all over the place. So yeah,
Speaker 2: we were in band class together. Gouta gi him a
Speaker 2: shout out, So that's Dan. Well, listen, I've had a
Speaker 2: total fun time talking about pop culture in the film
Speaker 2: Manual the Military, having Izzy and Cameron on, you know,
Speaker 2: talking about your airborne stories, being a part of the
Speaker 2: Soft Rep family. Now you are a part of that.
Speaker 2: I appreciate you guys coming on, and I'd love to
Speaker 2: have you back on and talking more. As your pop
Speaker 2: culture phenomenon takes off and you guys start doing more
Speaker 2: and more, just hit me up and I'll get you
Speaker 2: on the show and we'll just go back and forth
Speaker 2: about war stories and how to be civil to one
Speaker 2: another in conversations in society.
Speaker 3: Sure that, man, Rad, Thank you so much for having
Speaker 3: us man.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's been a pleasure and it was so much
Speaker 5: fun talk with you.
Speaker 2: Man, I'm glad you guys reached out. And again, if
Speaker 2: my listener out there wants to reach out and has
Speaker 2: a story and wants to talk about what's on your mind,
Speaker 2: hit me up. I'll reply and we'll get your programmed
Speaker 2: onto the show. Until then, this is rad saying, check
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Speaker 2: forget our book club slash book club. That's what's up,
Speaker 2: all right, all right, and on behalf of my guests,
Speaker 2: I want to say thanks again and peace.
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