Speaker 1: I did get an email today from one Barbie Block
Speaker 1: who what did miss Block say? Hello, Barbie, thank you
Speaker 1: for listening. She had recently listened to our Daniel Harrison
Speaker 1: interview and she wanted to bring up the topic we
Speaker 1: discussed about emancipation, and she said that a lot of
Speaker 1: people use the term emancipation to mean legally eighteen.
Speaker 2: That there are.
Speaker 1: Two different versions of that. One is true emancipation, which
Speaker 1: means you are divorced from your parents. You are a
Speaker 1: full entire adult, and you can make all decisions for yourself.
Speaker 1: And then there is legal eighteen, which is a contract
Speaker 1: that your parents have to sign that says you can
Speaker 1: work adult hours, but you are still a minor. It
Speaker 1: just removes your parents from having to be on set
Speaker 1: and you can work adult hours. But they she said,
Speaker 1: most people, especially now, very few people actually get emancipated,
Speaker 1: but there are a majority of people who are legally eighteen.
Speaker 3: Wow, I got that must make see what? I Yeah?
Speaker 4: I think I must have been legally eighteen then, because
Speaker 4: I never got emancipated, but my parents weren't on the
Speaker 4: set I was sixteen.
Speaker 3: We started to show emancipated will No, you had to
Speaker 3: have been because.
Speaker 4: Your teens have been legally eighteen or.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, no, I never I had to go in
Speaker 3: front of a judge, but you know, with my parents.
Speaker 3: But yeah, you know, I had to say, like, I'm
Speaker 3: I'm a working adult at sixteen, and I want to
Speaker 3: be in charge of my own money and my own
Speaker 3: life and be able to do I had to do
Speaker 3: all that.
Speaker 2: Explain that process a little bit.
Speaker 3: How did you. I don't quite remember it all. I
Speaker 3: just know that I was moving at sixteen once I
Speaker 3: got my driver's license. I wanted my own apartment. You
Speaker 3: were going into, I guess at that point the fourth
Speaker 3: season of the show, and I wanted my own apartment,
Speaker 3: and you know, it was like it was a source
Speaker 3: of conflict with my mom a little bit because she
Speaker 3: was like, okay, and so at first it was like,
Speaker 3: you can have your own apartment, but I'm still gonna
Speaker 3: come to LA every other week and stay with you
Speaker 3: to check in. That only lasted like two times, and
Speaker 3: then she was like, all right, you're fine, you know,
Speaker 3: because I was working all the time, Like we didn't
Speaker 3: have that much free time. Like when I was in
Speaker 3: LA at my apartment, I was going to boy Me's
Speaker 3: World every day. But but yeah, but legally it was
Speaker 3: it was going to be better for me to be emancipated.
Speaker 3: So I don't know, my dad filed whatever paperwork and
Speaker 3: we had to go to in front of a judge
Speaker 3: in Sonoma County where I grew up and like make
Speaker 3: the case, and I don't know, it's like, I think
Speaker 3: it's the only time besides traffic school, that I've ever
Speaker 3: been in a court room, right, like, you know, standing
Speaker 3: in front of a judgement, and it was easy. It
Speaker 3: was just like oh, and the judges asked me a
Speaker 3: couple of questions about like you know, basically that you
Speaker 3: want this that, and my parents are there because I
Speaker 3: think in a lot of cases, people get emancipated in
Speaker 3: order to get away from that situation.
Speaker 1: Right, And that's when legal emancipation would make sense, when
Speaker 1: you're truly looking to be on your own and be
Speaker 1: treated as an adult. And I think we had talked
Speaker 1: about that a little bit also with Danielle Harris, about
Speaker 1: where she was like then when the tax board came
Speaker 1: after her, when the IRS came after her, and she
Speaker 1: was like, they treat as I was an adult, even
Speaker 1: though at the time I was seventeen but she had
Speaker 1: been legally emancipated. Yeah, so I did just want Barbie
Speaker 1: wanted to bring that up because I do know. I
Speaker 1: did remember that. We didn't discuss it too much, and
Speaker 1: I think Danielle was emancipated. Writer, I believe you were emancipated.
Speaker 1: But there is another version you can do, which is
Speaker 1: you're still a minor and your parents are still responsible
Speaker 1: for you. It's just that they don't have to be
Speaker 1: on set with you, and you are allowed to work
Speaker 1: the adult hours of an adult.
Speaker 4: That must have been what I got, because again, I
Speaker 4: had a legal guardian when I lived in LA I
Speaker 4: had Spencer that I lived with, but he never came
Speaker 4: to the set and he was there and I was
Speaker 4: working regular hours.
Speaker 3: I still have to go to school and everything. But
Speaker 3: so it must have been some version of that that
Speaker 3: I had. Yeah, but I never have to go in
Speaker 3: front of a judge or do any of that kind
Speaker 3: of stuff. Are you sure your parents just didn't do
Speaker 3: it as your attorneys without me?
Speaker 4: Know?
Speaker 3: Who knows? Maybe I know?
Speaker 1: Maybe, Well, I'm thinking about letting Adler do it. He
Speaker 1: really wants to move to the beach, and I.
Speaker 3: That's a good idea. Can you reverse the process. Can
Speaker 3: I go back and live with my parents? Would be
Speaker 3: imedially a child? Again? Is that a thing? Is there? Demacication?
Speaker 2: I think you've done it with Sue.
Speaker 4: It's all marriage, marriage exactly, Yes, I said before a judge.
Speaker 3: I got married. There you go. I remember just being
Speaker 3: so convinced that I was fine at sixteen to be
Speaker 3: on my own. And I remember my parents asking, like
Speaker 3: fellow parents around them, like is this okay?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 3: And now I think about it, I'm like, yeah, that
Speaker 3: is crazy talk. You're gonna let your be like even
Speaker 3: listening to your story, will I'm like, they let you
Speaker 3: move all the way across the and I mean, yes,
Speaker 3: you you'd like to think that. Well, we in our case,
Speaker 3: we were very mature and we were fined. But you're
Speaker 3: still sixteen, dude, going back crazy just thinking about the
Speaker 3: stuff that they that my parents allowed me to do,
Speaker 3: getting on the bus and going to New York City
Speaker 3: and you know, I was twelve when I started to
Speaker 3: feed that stuff. It's crazy.
Speaker 4: I mean, it's it's thank god they did, because it does.
Speaker 4: It got me where I am, and it made me
Speaker 4: the person that I am. And it's certainly coming from
Speaker 4: a small town in Connecticut and spending time even as
Speaker 4: a child in New York City sometimes by myself. What
Speaker 4: I learned more real world in the four hours I
Speaker 4: was there than anywhere else. So in certain ways it
Speaker 4: made me a much better, more well rounded, empathetic human being.
Speaker 3: In other ways, I'm like, damn on screen. Well, I
Speaker 3: mean this is like the whole thing about parenting now
Speaker 3: versus parenting in like the seventies or eighties, or when
Speaker 3: you name your previous generation, where kids were just like
Speaker 3: Linda's hitchhike, they just roamed. They just do whatever they
Speaker 3: need to do to get around.
Speaker 1: And Jensen Carr, husband of this podcast, used to go
Speaker 1: on vacation to Vegas with his parents and they liked
Speaker 1: to gamble. Would just give him twenty dollars and he would.
Speaker 2: Just roam the strip.
Speaker 1: He was eleven, Yeah, and he just right, he'd find
Speaker 1: an arcade.
Speaker 3: I was giving knives and told to you know, hang out,
Speaker 3: what's exactly we had guns and knives in the wood.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, I wasn't allowed to watch nine O
Speaker 1: two one. Oh, so we're all the same here, We're
Speaker 1: all the same. I wasn't allowed to do absolutely. I
Speaker 1: was allowed to do absolutely nothing.
Speaker 3: And but here's the thing. But here, here's here's the
Speaker 3: thing that you know that interests me as a parent
Speaker 3: raising my kid because like obviously, like you know, because
Speaker 3: my wife, my wife never had child seats. She didn't
Speaker 3: even wear they didn't even wear like no, but she
Speaker 3: remembers like her mom got into an accident and they
Speaker 3: slid under the seat, like because none of the kids
Speaker 3: were wearing you know, it's like a giant station, right,
Speaker 3: it was the seventies, Like that's what you did. And
Speaker 3: so you think, like, okay, so we mitigate risk by
Speaker 3: you know, child seats, not letting our kids roam in
Speaker 3: cities or whatever. But then all of our children are
Speaker 3: more anxious out, they're scared, they don't grow up as fast.
Speaker 3: And it's like, okay, at what point do you say
Speaker 3: the trade off is it you take the risk you
Speaker 3: allow your kids to go somewhere where that you know, yes,
Speaker 3: they might get card if in the one in a
Speaker 3: million two million chants that there's a serial killer out
Speaker 3: kidnapping children right now in your neighbor. You know, but
Speaker 3: like that's really but the risk is if if the
Speaker 3: bad thing happens, it's awful, right, But of course, but
Speaker 3: the chances of the bad thing happen really are not
Speaker 3: that high.
Speaker 4: So it's also with anxieties, like you mentioned anxiety, kids
Speaker 4: being more anxious. The perfect example is we we have
Speaker 4: reversed what it should be. As somebody who deals with anxiety,
Speaker 4: one of the ways you deal with anxiety is by
Speaker 4: confronting the fear. Right, you don't make the world safer
Speaker 4: and put yourself in the middle of the danger.
Speaker 2: And how do you learn that you're capable.
Speaker 1: You find yourself in situations where you have to prove
Speaker 1: that you're capable, and then you go, oh, I actually
Speaker 1: can do this.
Speaker 4: I don't like flying, so flying makes me nervous, so
Speaker 4: I fly for a living. Now, well what was I
Speaker 4: going to do? Go no, sorry, I can't do any
Speaker 4: of this work.
Speaker 3: I had to fly.
Speaker 4: So I just kept flying, and now I'm okay with lying.
Speaker 4: There's a certain thing, you know, people who are gorophobic.
Speaker 4: It's not that people, well, well, now we can get
Speaker 4: everything delivered to the house.
Speaker 3: That's not good going out to the grocery store. Shopping
Speaker 3: is what you need to do.
Speaker 4: So it's you know, the the you know, everybody wants
Speaker 4: the world wrapped in bubble wrapped now, and that's exactly
Speaker 4: the opposite. To help with anxiety, you need to be
Speaker 4: out with the sharp knives and everything.
Speaker 3: That's all just anxiety, just like right, you want it
Speaker 3: just makes you a better person to be exposed to
Speaker 3: different types of people, different you know, Like that's what
Speaker 3: you know. You guys have given a crap before in
Speaker 3: conversations about me being like, you know, anti one big
Speaker 3: box store shopping or like malls, because I believe that
Speaker 3: the friction of like going to a market, having to
Speaker 3: go to different stores, having to meet different people, or
Speaker 3: you know, those challenges are good for us, and we
Speaker 3: have to secure so many of them. But costcos hot
Speaker 3: dogs are amazed. Look, I mean I just order everything
Speaker 3: on Amazon, which is the worst of the world exactly.
Speaker 3: You lack of human contact or experience, and it's so bad.
Speaker 4: I don't have children, so I I you know, I
Speaker 4: know that I'm the person without kids that gives opinions
Speaker 4: like these, But it seems to me that kids today
Speaker 4: don't know.
Speaker 3: How to lose at anything.
Speaker 4: Yeah, everything has to be perfect and when the smallest
Speaker 4: little thing happens, they melt down. And back in the day,
Speaker 4: you're talking about the seventies. If we played a soccer
Speaker 4: game a baseball game and we lost, you didn't get
Speaker 4: a trophy. Somebody came up to you and went, we're
Speaker 4: gonna work harder and next year we're going to try
Speaker 4: to do better.
Speaker 3: That's how you did it.
Speaker 4: Learning how to lose was so much more important than
Speaker 4: learning how to win. And if you're still going, hey man,
Speaker 4: great job, here's a medal. You struck out and ran
Speaker 4: to third, well, then you're never going to know how
Speaker 4: to actually play baseball. So it's you know, there's there's
Speaker 4: a balance to all this stuff. But again, the easiest
Speaker 4: way for me.
Speaker 1: Was just going to We lost writer with the sports ball, so.
Speaker 3: Oh we did.
Speaker 4: Sorry, what you're talking about, we'll get into it because
Speaker 4: in this in one of the episodes, he's got a
Speaker 4: great sports ball reference, and I'll guarantee he has no idea.
Speaker 5: What he's says.
Speaker 1: Not a cl not a few was talking about Welcome
Speaker 1: to Pod Meets World.
Speaker 2: I'm Daniel Fischel, I'm Rider Strong, and I'm Wilfredell.
Speaker 1: Pod Meets World is coming to Philadelphia. Did you really
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Speaker 1: to get tickets and see more information. So Today's episode,
Speaker 1: Season three, episode four, He Said, She Said? Air date
Speaker 1: October twentieth, nineteen ninety five. The synopsis Sean is forced
Speaker 1: to visit with a guidance counselor after continually skipping class
Speaker 1: and misinterprets her advice and decides to drop out, catch
Speaker 1: a bus, and set out to find himself. Also, we
Speaker 1: have a bully standoff. I feel like the title of
Speaker 1: this show is very misleading.
Speaker 3: Made no sense. When I started, I was like, wait,
Speaker 3: didn't I already watch this one because we had done
Speaker 3: Corey saying I Love you and her and Topenga not
Speaker 3: saying it back. I was like, that's the title. No, no, no,
Speaker 3: he's totally different. Yeah, So who is it?
Speaker 2: In reference to the guidance counselor is it so?
Speaker 3: She said, I went to Europe, and.
Speaker 2: I went to Europe and.
Speaker 4: Tony is it supposed to be? Tony said one thing,
Speaker 4: and she said something else. He said, she said, is.
Speaker 5: That supposed to be?
Speaker 1: To be honest, I don't know.
Speaker 3: I don't either. Did you like the episode?
Speaker 2: There were so many storylines.
Speaker 3: This is a weird episode. To me, it was a
Speaker 3: weird episode.
Speaker 2: There was no conclusion to one of the storylines.
Speaker 5: It happens to you.
Speaker 4: One of the weirdest endings we've ever had too in
Speaker 4: the show.
Speaker 2: We let's talk about it.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure, I'm I'm truly I haven't really settled
Speaker 1: in with how I feel about the episode.
Speaker 2: It's just odd.
Speaker 3: It just felt agreed, agree.
Speaker 1: Feel like there was a lot going on and maybe
Speaker 1: this needed to be really more yeah, rewritten and maybe
Speaker 1: some of the Wow. Producer Jensen Carr, husband of this podcast,
Speaker 1: just wrote one of my favorites for the record, weird.
Speaker 3: I think, I mean, I think I think this was
Speaker 3: a lot of like ideas kind of crammed into one.
Speaker 3: So like I especially like the bully storyline. It just
Speaker 3: felt like a different show, totally, a different episode. Does
Speaker 3: anybody really care about this anymore? Do you know? But
Speaker 3: our writers did, We obviously did, and I think in
Speaker 3: the long term maybe the fans do too. Yes, but
Speaker 3: it feels a little long winded together, felt.
Speaker 1: Like that should have been the B storyline of a
Speaker 1: different episode, and instead it was maybe the B or
Speaker 1: C storyline of this episode.
Speaker 2: There were there were a couple.
Speaker 3: So I'll tell you what. I think. The problem is
Speaker 3: just a lack of Corey. It just doesn't around maybe
Speaker 3: maybe storyline and that's weeded, like Ben is so lost
Speaker 3: in this episode, and it doesn't feel you know, it's
Speaker 3: it's it's it's sort of like a reiteration of the
Speaker 3: Sean stuff, which we've kind of already covered pretty extensively.
Speaker 3: So I think that that having the Shawn storyline is
Speaker 3: the A storyline. It's just a little old at this
Speaker 3: point already. I've run away so many times.
Speaker 4: It is getting a little repetitive at this point. Now
Speaker 4: you're just running away with more expensive sets. Yeah, where
Speaker 4: it's like okay, that's like yeah, now now he's running
Speaker 4: to a place we've never seen before and Seawann's leaving again. Okay.
Speaker 1: It does get a little much So this episode was
Speaker 1: directed by Jeff McCracken. It was written by Jeff Manel
Speaker 1: guest starring Alex d. Sairah as Eli Williams. The return
Speaker 1: of Danny McNulty is Harvey Harley Kiner, this is his
Speaker 1: last ever episode of Boy Meets World. Blake Soaper as
Speaker 1: Joseph Joey the Rat Epstein, Ethan Sipple is Frankie Stacchino,
Speaker 1: another return, and the final episode of Adam Scott as
Speaker 1: it is Griff Hawkins.
Speaker 4: It is it is his last one. I thought so,
Speaker 4: I thought so yep.
Speaker 3: So this was just the end of the Leader of
Speaker 3: the Bullies, right.
Speaker 1: They basically were like, we're going to keep having Frankie
Speaker 1: and Joey back, but we need to acknowledge that they.
Speaker 2: Are no longer going to have a leader.
Speaker 3: Interesting.
Speaker 2: So that's what I think the real importance.
Speaker 3: Was, because Griff is a great character, he's a great kill.
Speaker 1: He may have been working, he may have, you know,
Speaker 1: he may have already started doing other stuff, and.
Speaker 3: Just numbers came. They're just adding.
Speaker 4: Just keep in mind we also have alex Is on
Speaker 4: the show as as you know, semi regular now, and
Speaker 4: I think they're they're swapping.
Speaker 3: So really the whole point of this episode is to
Speaker 3: trim characters correct, to pull back from where we went
Speaker 3: in the second season, and to trim it back to
Speaker 3: you know, some of scal elaments that's interesting.
Speaker 4: Which is so strange that they want to bring Danny
Speaker 4: back to kind of wrap up his character story when
Speaker 4: they just replaced him with a different actor.
Speaker 1: I think that was probably an extension, like their way.
Speaker 1: He had probably gotten out of the hospital. He was
Speaker 1: obviously out of the hospital at this point, and they
Speaker 1: looked at it as being maybe, yes, as a you know,
Speaker 1: a out of respect to Danny who had to leave
Speaker 1: in the middle of an episode, let's bring him back
Speaker 1: and tie up this storyline. And you know, I feel
Speaker 1: they probably did feel like the last one, just replacing
Speaker 1: him felt disrespectful and they didn't want to end on
Speaker 1: that note.
Speaker 4: By the way, I had lunch with David Kendall yesterday
Speaker 4: and we specifically talked about the you know, replacing Danny
Speaker 4: and Danny at the table read and how he didn't
Speaker 4: remember it and what he was looking back at his
Speaker 4: notes and what he thinks happened is he was sent
Speaker 4: to Lake Placid early for the Nancy Carrigan stuff and
Speaker 4: wasn't actually there.
Speaker 3: He wasn't there for.
Speaker 5: The table read right, Yeah, that makes sense.
Speaker 1: And then we have Amy Leland as Devin Collins and
Speaker 1: Carmen Philpy.
Speaker 2: As quote unquote bum.
Speaker 1: He is a legendary character actor who and you will
Speaker 1: know when you see him. He mostly played bums or
Speaker 1: drunk or old guy. He has one hundred and six
Speaker 1: credits on IMDb before his passing in two thousand and three.
Speaker 1: I know this is more detail than we usually give
Speaker 1: four guest stars, but please indulge me here with some
Speaker 1: of the King's highlights.
Speaker 2: Okay, he played a drunk.
Speaker 1: On Rohda, a bum on Barney Miller, bum in Escape
Speaker 1: from New York, bum on Silver Spoons, bus station, bum
Speaker 1: on The Sure Thing, panhandler on Cagney and Lacy Street,
Speaker 1: bum number one in Who's That Girl Now. The role
Speaker 1: he is most famous for, which is the roadkill postal
Speaker 1: messenger in Beetlejuice, a famous Halloween costume even He was
Speaker 1: old Man Withers in Wayne's World, Whino in Parker Lewis
Speaker 1: Can't Lose, and the same role Whino in Sister Sister.
Speaker 1: He was old man in bar in wedding singer, old
Speaker 1: Guy in Sabrina the Teenage Witch, and he voiced homeless
Speaker 1: Guy in Eight Crazy Nights. He is a total legend.
Speaker 3: What an amazing thing to be. No, like, you just
Speaker 3: you give good bum so Jim, So we're just gonna
Speaker 3: make you a home our go to a alcoholic homeless
Speaker 3: guy in everything, And once you get known for that
Speaker 3: and you're good at it, that's all you do.
Speaker 2: And by the way, what a career.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, he was on everything. He's on everything.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you know, I mean, it's just yeah, he's
Speaker 2: a legend.
Speaker 3: Do you know. We talked about like how you have
Speaker 3: to like find your zero as an actor, you know,
Speaker 3: like what does your presence just say about the world.
Speaker 2: He got up on stage and everyone yelled bum at him.
Speaker 3: Yea exactly. You just look at him and you're like, okay, yeah,
Speaker 3: he's a b.
Speaker 4: This is a man who cannot drink a cup of
Speaker 4: coffee without somebody walking by and dropping change into it.
Speaker 3: It's like, dude, give me zero zero.
Speaker 4: But again, he is one of those actors that has
Speaker 4: been around forever, has been on every legendary show, and
Speaker 4: almost no one knows his name. He's one of those
Speaker 4: things exactly. It's incredible unsung heroes.
Speaker 1: If you check his IMDb you'll see it many a times.
Speaker 1: So to jump into our recap school hallway, mister Feoene
Speaker 1: walks in holding two large gift baskets and he hands
Speaker 1: one to Eli at school now known as mister Williams.
Speaker 2: Mister Williams things.
Speaker 1: Phoene is giving him the gift basket, but Phoene says
Speaker 1: they're just from seniors who are trying to get college recommendations.
Speaker 1: Phoenie is just having Eli take them to his car.
Speaker 1: Eli says it's good to be you, isn't it, But
Speaker 1: Phoene says he gives it to the homeless shelters, and
Speaker 1: then Eli says right and walks off. And then mister
Speaker 1: Phoenie yells drop that mango man. And it reminded me
Speaker 1: of when Alex said that that was one of Bill's
Speaker 1: that he says that to himself sometimes, like to get
Speaker 1: into character.
Speaker 3: The second I heard, I was like, yes, that's right,
Speaker 3: that's so funny.
Speaker 2: It's funny because I didn't hear it as I didn't.
Speaker 3: Hear that's right.
Speaker 2: Only he has one.
Speaker 1: Later that to me is a more much more memorable,
Speaker 1: so you'll talk about huh. Yeah, the delivery of the
Speaker 1: other one, the one that we have in the future,
Speaker 1: to me was so much more.
Speaker 2: I don't know, I just it felt more Bill, it
Speaker 2: felt more special.
Speaker 1: This kind of felt to me like just a pretty
Speaker 1: basic line reading, but obviously to everyone else it really
Speaker 1: was very memorable. So Eric walks up, saying, boy, what
Speaker 1: some kids will go to to get into college. Huh.
Speaker 2: Phoene tells him to save his money.
Speaker 1: There is no fruit basket big enough to sway him,
Speaker 1: and Eric says that's the furthest thing from his mind.
Speaker 1: And Phoene says, right there next to your school work
Speaker 1: in a great, great sweater.
Speaker 3: At the bottom of it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was like the it's like Charlie Brown, but
Speaker 4: they moved this the Charlie Brown asked, Yet.
Speaker 5: It's pretty cool.
Speaker 1: Then we're in Turner's classroom. Phoene walks in and sees
Speaker 1: that Corey is holding a giant papaya. Phoene asks him
Speaker 1: where he got the papaya, and Corey, confused, says from home,
Speaker 1: but Phoene says he has his eye on him.
Speaker 2: Phoene tells Turner that she.
Speaker 3: Missed secret or a little scene, did you guy toll?
Speaker 3: So the point is that Phoene assumes he stole it
Speaker 3: from the basket gift basket, got it from a gift basket.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And also if he is bringing it from home,
Speaker 4: a papaya's work.
Speaker 3: This is not an apple. You just don't bite into
Speaker 3: a papaya. It's it takes some prep.
Speaker 5: I know it, it doesn't.
Speaker 2: It's yeah, it's a reach to bring a papaya anywhere.
Speaker 2: I'm not really.
Speaker 4: Especially in Philadelphia. There's not a lot of kids in Philadelphia.
Speaker 4: I think walking to school with a full papaya.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not sure. I'm not sure what's happening.
Speaker 3: I think it's the word papaya they like hearing over
Speaker 3: and over again.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So Phoene tells Turner that Sean missed his history test
Speaker 1: this morning. Corey tries to cover for him by saying
Speaker 1: Sean has a severe case of and he can't finish
Speaker 1: his sentence and he asks Feoene for help, and Phoene
Speaker 1: just says sloth, and Corey says, yes, Hong Kong sloth.
Speaker 1: But Turner is frustrated and he walks out to go
Speaker 1: find Sean and Phoene says not your best work to Corey.
Speaker 1: Then we are in Turner's apartment. Turner goes back to
Speaker 1: his apartment. He apparently just leaves school in the middle
Speaker 1: of the day.
Speaker 3: Is it the middle?
Speaker 4: So this is I thought the same thing because the
Speaker 4: way they cut it together or wrote it is very odd.
Speaker 4: Because Turner walks out, He's like, yes, okay, I can't
Speaker 4: believe he did that, and then it cuts his apartment.
Speaker 4: So either he waited till the end of the day
Speaker 4: in school's over and he's like, you didn't go to
Speaker 4: school at all today, or he did just bail mid day.
Speaker 2: I think the implication is that he leaves right.
Speaker 3: Then and there, Yeah, he went to go.
Speaker 1: He went to go, so but like Corey was in
Speaker 1: the seat, so was hurry waiting for class.
Speaker 4: I think he.
Speaker 3: Probably taught his class. And then Sarah looks at rather
Speaker 3: than going to the calf, he runs home. Can we
Speaker 3: talk about I believe that Sean is now influencing mister
Speaker 3: Turner's fashion choices because of this lovely vest that I
Speaker 3: don't think Tony has worn a vest yet.
Speaker 2: I don't think so either, so now, and I'm.
Speaker 3: Kind of joking, but I also think that that's something
Speaker 3: that Sarah Markowitz would.
Speaker 2: Is I totally agree with you, Like, now.
Speaker 3: Other characters are going to start to resemble one another, yes,
Speaker 3: and we're depose and closet, and we're just going to
Speaker 3: give Turner a little bit of a nod like he
Speaker 3: and Sean are are similar types.
Speaker 1: Because also the ties are calming down. They're still there,
Speaker 1: but they're not white as mold. Yeah, yeah, so you know,
Speaker 1: I think you're right. I think I think that that
Speaker 1: may have been a Sarah Markowitz thought that, like who
Speaker 1: influences who in this relationship? Right?
Speaker 3: But then when he goes at the apartment, he's wearing
Speaker 3: a leather jacket, right, which is gonna you know, it
Speaker 3: brings up the leather jacket, which shows up again on
Speaker 3: Hardly What is going on? Everyone's got it.
Speaker 1: Turner goes back to his apartment to find Sean sitting
Speaker 1: on the couch ordering Forrest Gump on pay per view.
Speaker 1: Turner says, you missed another day of school. Oh, you
Speaker 1: miss another day of school? You are Forrest Gump. Sean
Speaker 1: says he seems to be doing well for himself, and
Speaker 1: then when Turner tells Sean he missed his history test,
Speaker 1: Sean says, oh, that worked out, which, as I thought,
Speaker 1: was cute. You didn't skip school because you knew there
Speaker 1: was a history tested just conveniently. Turner says he is
Speaker 1: too much going on to try and figure Sean out,
Speaker 1: so he's going to send him to see the guidance
Speaker 1: counselor tomorrow. Sean says his people are celebrating a very
Speaker 1: important holiday tomorrow, and when Turner asks what people he's
Speaker 1: referring to, Sean says, they're staying.
Speaker 5: Home tomorrow to come up with a name.
Speaker 3: Good her name.
Speaker 2: Do you remember this robe, writer, because I remember this roe.
Speaker 3: No, I mean I remember it because I've already worn
Speaker 3: it in a previous episode.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the episode when you stumble out of the
Speaker 1: Turner's apartment wearing the robe to school and I remember
Speaker 1: the robe though. I think this robe sticks with you
Speaker 1: for the rest of the show.
Speaker 4: I think it does too, because.
Speaker 2: Sean is it's so great. I want it now.
Speaker 3: It's a great rope.
Speaker 2: So then we're in the school hallway Corey and Sean,
Speaker 2: who is back in your Heart Atlas shirt but now
Speaker 2: also in camo pants and a cool button up. I
Speaker 2: like this fit. It's a little match, but I like it.
Speaker 2: Camera pans are off. Yeah, cameo bans are aful, but
Speaker 2: you pull it off.
Speaker 1: I actually like, if you're gonna wear camo pants, I
Speaker 1: like wearing camo pants with a totally totally weird like
Speaker 1: button up that doesn't go with it. I like, I like,
Speaker 1: at least making it kind of weird and funky like that.
Speaker 1: So they are discussing Corey telling Feenie and Turner he
Speaker 1: had Hong Kong sloth. Sean is disappointed in that. Sean says, no,
Speaker 1: matter what, with this guidance counselor, he will not waste
Speaker 1: an hour of his life listening to a bald headed,
Speaker 1: long winded leisure suit wearing up set up.
Speaker 3: I had no recollection of this recollection of this actress
Speaker 3: of this episode. I actually, once I got to the
Speaker 3: bus station, I was like, oh, right, I remember that
Speaker 3: Sean had tried to run away at one point. I remembered, like, yeah,
Speaker 3: I think that's right, that I ended up at a
Speaker 3: bus station. But no recollection of working with this woman
Speaker 3: who's lovely and this whole county. Sure, but I don't don't. Yeah,
Speaker 3: So this feels Yeah, this episode felt rushed to me
Speaker 3: for some reason.
Speaker 2: Well, because there's so many things going on.
Speaker 3: Yeahah yeah, so uh.
Speaker 1: Then Devin Collins, the beautiful new guidance counselor who looks
Speaker 1: nothing like what Shawn described, walks over, excited to have
Speaker 1: her name on a door.
Speaker 2: Guess what her office is? The bathroom slash feene office
Speaker 2: rotating door. We have yet another thing for this door
Speaker 2: to be.
Speaker 4: Actually, it's not what And later in the episode they
Speaker 4: prove it.
Speaker 2: Oh because they go out of a different hallway. Well
Speaker 2: kind of, no, they aren't. They're in the same hallway.
Speaker 3: They're in the same hallway.
Speaker 4: But I can now the way they set it up,
Speaker 4: they definitely make it so that this is a different floor.
Speaker 5: Wow.
Speaker 4: Really yes, and we can talk about it now. We
Speaker 4: can talk about it then, because it was a big thing.
Speaker 4: I was like, oh, they just solved it right there.
Speaker 1: Okay, good, let's see. Let's let's wait till we get
Speaker 1: there and then you can explain to us how this is.
Speaker 2: Actually a tower.
Speaker 3: Yep, okay.
Speaker 1: So Corey and Sean are shocked. She's the new guidance counselor.
Speaker 1: Sean introduces himself and says, guide me. She looks like
Speaker 1: she's Eric's age. By the way, It's like, I love
Speaker 1: how mister Williams wasn't quite young enough. We're just gonna
Speaker 1: bring in yet another young teacher until eventually we have
Speaker 1: boss baby in here and that.
Speaker 3: Becomes exactly This was clearly a note that they're still
Speaker 3: responding to of like making more twenty something friendly, give
Speaker 3: meets world that like friends style edge because she's she
Speaker 3: never came back though, did she know? I think so?
Speaker 3: But they're clearly testing out the waters of like because
Speaker 3: I mean it's true we don't have I mean, and
Speaker 3: now that miss Tompkins has gone from season two, we
Speaker 3: don't have a female teacher presence, like you know, we
Speaker 3: like we've got Feenie, mister Williams, mister Turner, and I
Speaker 3: think that they were probably like, oh, we should probably
Speaker 3: have a female you know, teacher. They put her in
Speaker 3: the here, and I don't think it quite you.
Speaker 4: Know, Betsy, Betsy's normally the only woman on the show,
Speaker 4: and then occasionally they bring Daniell in. I mean, that
Speaker 4: was like, that's what the first season or two were about.
Speaker 4: So yeah, they need more women. So yeah, well.
Speaker 1: Eric gives Griff, who looks much older. I thought Adam,
Speaker 1: he's got.
Speaker 3: Y. Yeah, it happens, but it.
Speaker 4: Was it was Yeah, he looked now started to look
Speaker 4: like he was in his mid twenties.
Speaker 1: Always yea, he looked a little older, and Frankie money
Speaker 1: for Feeney's stationary to write his own recommendation letter on.
Speaker 1: Frankie keeps asking griff and if he can pat Eric down.
Speaker 1: Eric asks how they got the stationary and Frankie say says,
Speaker 1: let's just say it fell off a truck. Eric then
Speaker 1: asks for a foene envelope and Frankie Frankie slyly looks
Speaker 1: at a mini notebook.
Speaker 5: And says Tuesday, Tuesday, Tuesday.
Speaker 1: Joey appears and acts startled to see Griff, who says
Speaker 1: that whenever he sees Joey he thinks of small doses.
Speaker 1: Joey runs over to tell Frankie he was surfing the
Speaker 1: internet verbally pounding on people when he got a message
Speaker 1: from Harley on the net. He's known Carl Kind and
Speaker 1: he told Joey he's getting out of reform school. He
Speaker 1: thinks he's graduating.
Speaker 4: Joe question, Yeah, is this the first ever boy meets
Speaker 4: world internet joke?
Speaker 2: I think it is, and Joe five.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so it's nineteen ninety five. This is like, I
Speaker 4: think the first Internet joke for us.
Speaker 3: Yeah, really is? I mean I can't remember another one. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I guess so. And he's talked about it Internet for
Speaker 3: handling that was that was just on a computer.
Speaker 2: It was just on the computer. Yeah, it's just the newspaper.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So I never made a residence like email or
Speaker 3: I don't think so. I think this is it. This
Speaker 3: is the Did you guys have an email addresses by then?
Speaker 2: I don't think in ninety five I did. I think
Speaker 2: it wasn't.
Speaker 5: Well, maybe I did.
Speaker 3: I might have. Still I had remember that this was
Speaker 3: like the era of like there was the World Wide Web,
Speaker 3: but then there were like the Internet services that you
Speaker 3: would pay for like Prodigy aol oh yeah, and then
Speaker 3: I my family had Genie, which was like General Electrics
Speaker 3: messageboard or whatever, right, And so there would be those
Speaker 3: subcommunities like chatrooms and message boards on those servers, and
Speaker 3: then like maybe you could send emails to like other
Speaker 3: people who were in other services, but it would you
Speaker 3: would have to like write certain codes on the top
Speaker 3: of your email in order for it to go from
Speaker 3: one server to another. It was like a big deal. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean I was a part of Celebrity Sightings at
Speaker 1: the time, and so we had email addresses through that as.
Speaker 3: Celebrity side Celebrity.
Speaker 1: Celebrity Sidings was like truly it was way before its time,
Speaker 1: but it was a celebrity based website where nineties kid stars.
Speaker 1: So Candice Cameron was a part of it. I was
Speaker 1: a part of it. Jody was a part of it.
Speaker 1: Tian Tamara were part of it. Jonathan Taylor Thomas was
Speaker 1: a part of it. Where you are, there's chat rooms
Speaker 1: and we were all assigned chat room names that had
Speaker 1: the equivalent of a blue check mark next to them,
Speaker 1: and then people paid to be a part of that
Speaker 1: service where we had like office hours where we would
Speaker 1: go in and chat with.
Speaker 2: People and based on facing access fan access.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was like the very girl, I don't even
Speaker 1: remember it doesn't I don't feel like I did.
Speaker 3: I don't feel like I did like nowadays. Yeah, but
Speaker 3: back then, it was the idea that would just be
Speaker 3: good publicity.
Speaker 1: For you, for you, and then they did dup like
Speaker 1: promotional stuff for you. They paid for your photo shoots
Speaker 1: and so you got like, I'm pretty sure they had
Speaker 1: something to do with my calendar that I did, and
Speaker 1: like you know, they there was there was that kind
Speaker 1: of stuff, but I was it was way before its time.
Speaker 1: But I was a part of celebrity sightings and I
Speaker 1: talked about it and like interviews and there are truth.
Speaker 1: This is so crazy. I still talk to somebody I
Speaker 1: met on series. Yes, really he wasn't.
Speaker 5: He was a troll.
Speaker 2: His name, his username was herk Jason.
Speaker 1: He's gonna die when hears me talking about him, and
Speaker 1: he was kind of like he was trying to dox
Speaker 1: me back in the day. Back he was like able.
Speaker 1: He was like, I know, I'm going to find out
Speaker 1: your address. And my mom ended up my mom was
Speaker 1: a part of it too, and she had a user
Speaker 1: name where everyone knew it was really my mom, and
Speaker 1: my mom ended up starting this conversation with him that
Speaker 1: was like, why are you doing this? This is actually
Speaker 1: a dangerous thing and if you're looking for attention, this
Speaker 1: isn't the way to get attention. And he ended up
Speaker 1: basically feeling very bad and apologizing And still to this day,
Speaker 1: we are in communication with Jason and I had him
Speaker 1: in real life. No, I've never I've never met him
Speaker 1: face to face but I've we've seen pictures of each other,
Speaker 1: obviously seen pictures of me. He's uh, I've seen pictures
Speaker 1: of him on the internet, and he sends pictures of
Speaker 1: his family to my mom. He's actually closer with my
Speaker 1: mom than he is with me. And yeah, it's so anyway,
Speaker 1: pretty I.
Speaker 3: Have never in my life been in a chat room.
Speaker 4: Wow, not one single time have I seen land experience
Speaker 4: back then.
Speaker 3: So I used to go on to movie chat rooms
Speaker 3: all the time. Back then that was like that, this
Speaker 3: was like sounds going. I'd go on to like you know,
Speaker 3: and I remember getting into like big debates about like
Speaker 3: what movies were getting nominated for Academy Award and and
Speaker 3: then somebody realizing that I was only thirteen fourteen, and
Speaker 3: you were just like discounting, condescending and being you know,
Speaker 3: because it was probably some forty year old dude that
Speaker 3: I was debating with and he was like, wait, your
Speaker 3: opinion doesn't count. I remember being so angry. That's probably
Speaker 3: the last time I was in a chat room because
Speaker 3: I remember just being like, this doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 3: And then and then.
Speaker 2: I used to do aol oh yeah, a messenger, Remember
Speaker 2: you were away?
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I was so into aim. You had
Speaker 1: away message BRB and.
Speaker 3: Wown't know any of where people would post things about,
Speaker 3: like you know, your communities, community boards like message boards,
Speaker 3: and then I would do interviews or like ask basically
Speaker 3: the equivalent of like ask me anythings on AOL, Like
Speaker 3: they would schedule a thing and I would go on
Speaker 3: and fans would log in. Yeah, which is totally a
Speaker 3: reddit asked me anything. But back in the day, but yeah,
Speaker 3: well will you never had computers at all, Like I
Speaker 3: had a laptop, do you guys? Remember I had a laptop.
Speaker 4: You had Remember you were like your laptop thousands more
Speaker 4: than that seven I thought.
Speaker 3: I thought you spent seven grand on your lab. On
Speaker 3: your lab, it was an IBM think Pad, which was
Speaker 3: like a revolutionary Apple revolutionary computer at the time because
Speaker 3: it was just the most powerful laptop you could get
Speaker 3: in nineteen ninety four, I guess. And it had this
Speaker 3: like mouse. The whole the revolution was that had this
Speaker 3: little like eracer tip mouse in the middle of the yesive,
Speaker 3: oh my god, you introduced me to Wolfenstein, and you
Speaker 3: introduced me to Civilization. Civilization three the greatest I remember that. Yes,
Speaker 3: those were five dollars computer.
Speaker 1: Well, we learned from Adam Scott that he used to
Speaker 1: go visit all of the chatrooms that talked about him,
Speaker 1: so yes, those were those were good times, guys, good time.
Speaker 1: So Joey says he's sneaking out in a shipment of
Speaker 1: laundry next week, and he is worried, but Frankie says
Speaker 1: Griff and Harley are going to meet, and then they will,
Speaker 1: and then he eventually realizes though, this is actually going
Speaker 1: to be bad and there will probably be an issue
Speaker 1: between Harley and Griff. And then we're in the guidance
Speaker 1: counselor's office and Miss Collins asks Sean about what his
Speaker 1: previous guidance counselor had said, but Sean says this is
Speaker 1: his first time. Miss Collins says, really mine too, and
Speaker 1: then realizes she probably shouldn't have said that out loud.
Speaker 1: Miss Collins opens Shawn's file and says wow. But Sean
Speaker 1: says he'll savor the time and they can skip to
Speaker 1: the part where she tells him education is the key
Speaker 1: to a happy and successful life. She asks if that's
Speaker 1: what she's supposed to say, and Sean says, well, that's
Speaker 1: what everyone else says, but Miss Collins says that growing up,
Speaker 1: her parents always talked about the three m's, money.
Speaker 2: Marriage, and mortgage.
Speaker 1: Sean says his dad always talked about the three babes, Babes,
Speaker 1: Bucks and Bruce Keys Babe.
Speaker 4: It was always so fun to do an impression of Blake.
Speaker 4: We would always do that. Hey like all that.
Speaker 3: That was great.
Speaker 2: Sean says.
Speaker 1: Chet was the philosopher of the trailer park and would
Speaker 1: always say one man's septic tank is another man's oasis,
Speaker 1: but he never understood what that meant. Miss Collins tries
Speaker 1: to take a guess and says, maybe Chet was trying
Speaker 1: to say what's good for one person doesn't hold for everyone.
Speaker 1: Sean says he all always knew high school wasn't for
Speaker 1: everyone because not everyone will end up in college, and
Speaker 1: Miss Collins says she felt the same way and hated
Speaker 1: the idea of college, so she took a year and
Speaker 1: traveled around Europe. She did end up in college, but
Speaker 1: she needed to learn about herself first. And then she
Speaker 1: sits on the desk in front of him like a
Speaker 1: real weirdo.
Speaker 3: I don't disagree. It was so the whole thing was
Speaker 3: vaguely sexual, it's not vaguely it's like we're flirting. I mean,
Speaker 3: I think that's the point of this storyline, or the
Speaker 3: intention of the storyline, is that she is young and
Speaker 3: inexperienced and doesn't realize that she the power essentially or
Speaker 3: for stepping her bounds. Yeah, you know, but I kind
Speaker 3: of wish it went there more fully. Like the storyline
Speaker 3: that we did where the tutor flirted with you will
Speaker 3: that made it like a real It kind of was
Speaker 3: the same storyline, right, it was like she was overstepping
Speaker 3: her bounds because she was attracted to you, and and
Speaker 3: like this is kind of the same thing, but it
Speaker 3: doesn't quite go there enough to me, Like she doesn't
Speaker 3: she doesn't ever realize like, oh, I shouldn't have Like
Speaker 3: it becomes this whole thing like, oh, she shouldn't have
Speaker 3: said the thing about Europe. But the reality is she
Speaker 3: shouldn't have probably like admitted that she was her first time,
Speaker 3: and she shouldn't have kind of flirted with Sean. Did
Speaker 3: you think that she was flirting?
Speaker 2: No, it's not clear enough flirting exactly.
Speaker 1: I don't think the writers intended for this to have
Speaker 1: a sexual current, but it does.
Speaker 2: And I feel like writer you're you're right.
Speaker 1: It should have been more on either side, whether they
Speaker 1: wanted it to be more sexual than they could have
Speaker 1: pushed it that way, or if they really did not
Speaker 1: want it to be. It should have been more like
Speaker 1: if she kind of preoccupies herself with something else and
Speaker 1: goes off on a tangent about her own life and
Speaker 1: then goes sarry, but this isn't about me, this is
Speaker 1: about you, and she doesn't realize that by talking about
Speaker 1: her own experience, she's made Sean think maybe that's the
Speaker 1: experience I need.
Speaker 6: It should have been a little bit more clear. I
Speaker 6: think the idea is that she's too inexperiencing young, so
Speaker 6: she makes a mistake and and as more like on
Speaker 6: Shawn's level than on Turners or you know, like horror penies.
Speaker 6: And I think that that's a cool storyline. It just
Speaker 6: needed a little bit more development, like yeah, she you know,
Speaker 6: she like Actually what should have happened is that Sean
Speaker 6: interprets it as flirting even though it's not, you know,
Speaker 6: like she doesn't need and he reads it because he does.
Speaker 3: In the beginning, he's like, oh, she's she's hot, Like
Speaker 3: we established it, like she's attracted to her, and then
Speaker 3: in this scene she's kind of you know, and yet
Speaker 3: Seawan doesn't react like Seawn isn't really like, oh, the
Speaker 3: Austin guidance counselor told me to go show us to
Speaker 3: be there.
Speaker 4: I don't either, And this is it shows the power
Speaker 4: of blocking because she gets it changed. She gets up
Speaker 4: from behind the desk and sits in front of him
Speaker 4: and crosses her legs and it changes totally. Just keep
Speaker 4: her behind the desk and it's a whole different scene. Yes,
Speaker 4: keep It has the power of blocking, it really is.
Speaker 3: But that's all intentional, man, I mean that, Like, clearly
Speaker 3: they watched run throughs where this happened, and when that's
Speaker 3: the ride we want, we want her to be like
Speaker 3: basic overstepping bounds. But then to not reference it within
Speaker 3: the writing or the actual storyline, to me is a
Speaker 3: huge mistake because it just ends up being this ambiguously
Speaker 3: weird moment that it's not the last. This entire show ends.
Speaker 4: On a really weird moment with her, which Will agreed
Speaker 4: we will talk about that as well, I know.
Speaker 1: So then we're in the school hallway, mister Williams asks
Speaker 1: Foene for a favor. He wants Phoene's help for a
Speaker 1: practice public service announcement in his TV production class. Phoenie
Speaker 1: says he's busy, but Eli boughters him up by saying
Speaker 1: the students think he would make the perfect narrator. Phoene
Speaker 1: rethinks his answer and says he doesn't want to disappoint
Speaker 1: the students. Eli hands him the script and Phoenie rolls
Speaker 1: his eyes and asks if Eli is married to any
Speaker 1: of this, before pulling out a pen to make changes
Speaker 1: to the script, which I think is a very funny
Speaker 1: Fioene thing to do.
Speaker 3: Every tiny little choice Bill makes.
Speaker 4: I know, son, it's so good, and he whatever you
Speaker 4: give him, he's awesome at it.
Speaker 3: And you just he's on such another level than everybody
Speaker 3: else that you're watching, just these little things that he's doing,
Speaker 3: when you're like, well, that was perfect, well, that was perfect.
Speaker 3: Well that happens.
Speaker 1: Is also such a great partner for him, because Alex's
Speaker 1: confidence up against him is so wonderful.
Speaker 4: It's great, and the two of them together are are
Speaker 4: really awesome on tape.
Speaker 3: But man Bill's choices are just perfect perfect.
Speaker 1: So Joey and Frankie are trying to plan Harley's return
Speaker 1: and then Harley shows up behind them. A week early,
Speaker 1: Harley and his lackeys are together again and Danny looks great.
Speaker 1: He does it was nice to see you see him again.
Speaker 1: He didn't skip a beat.
Speaker 4: He looks great, commanded the scene once again, wearing my
Speaker 4: leather jacket.
Speaker 3: Wear your wearing my leather jacket.
Speaker 4: Yes.
Speaker 1: Corey comes out of class gossiping with other students, saying
Speaker 1: Harley coming back as a rumor and there is a
Speaker 1: better chance of Corey running into the loch Ness Monster.
Speaker 3: You glad you said. I have an underline.
Speaker 4: It wasn't the best monster, it was the mess monster.
Speaker 3: My note was Ben is in the show.
Speaker 2: Oh there's a boy named Ben Savage on this show.
Speaker 3: Lock ns.
Speaker 4: So this time they're doing it differently though, where the
Speaker 4: person is behind him and.
Speaker 2: He doesn't he backs up exactly.
Speaker 4: It's a new thing they're doing into him, Yes, comedy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a whole new thing where he doesn't know
Speaker 1: he's there, and he's talking bad about him and he
Speaker 1: calls him a grease ball. Then Harley grabs him by
Speaker 1: the neck, shocking to shocking to Corey that Harley is
Speaker 1: really there. Harley smirks and asks babboon if he got
Speaker 1: the threatening letters he sent, and I when he said baboon,
Speaker 1: I got all warm and fuzzy inside.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Ben's Ben's reading of his line too is pretty hysterical.
Speaker 1: And now I'm in scott exactly so funny. Corey thanks
Speaker 1: him for the letters, apologizes for not responding, hands Harley
Speaker 1: his wallet and he leaves, and then Joey's pager is beeping.
Speaker 1: He pretends not to hear it, and Frankie says Griff
Speaker 1: is paging them. When Harley asks who Griff is, Joey
Speaker 1: plays dumb, but Harley insists on knowing who Griff is.
Speaker 1: Joey explain he's a leader. They met on the rebound
Speaker 1: and it's nothing serious. Frankie says he should meet Griff,
Speaker 1: and Harley says he'll meet him tomorrow at noon in
Speaker 1: the hallway and maybe he'll find out his blood type.
Speaker 3: Blood blood I am meeting to fight in the middle
Speaker 3: of the hallway, in.
Speaker 2: The middle of the day.
Speaker 3: I listen.
Speaker 1: I just hope he's the universal blood type, which we
Speaker 1: all know what that is.
Speaker 2: Of course, exactly.
Speaker 5: Who knows.
Speaker 1: Frankie lovingly pushes Joey and says, and you were worried
Speaker 1: not picking up that this will indeed be a problem.
Speaker 1: And then we're in Chubbies weird five am. Why are
Speaker 1: you guys allowed in there? It's not open yet. There's
Speaker 1: a man cleaning behind you. Why didn't this Why didn't
Speaker 1: this scene take place in the in the backyard where
Speaker 1: has to meet you?
Speaker 2: Downstairs?
Speaker 1: Why didn't you climb up the tree and go into
Speaker 1: Corey's bedroom? Why is this happening here?
Speaker 3: I have no idea since meeting outside of the bus station.
Speaker 3: It's like, if I'm asking Worry to come meet me somewhere,
Speaker 3: I'm going to the bus station like and it doesn't
Speaker 3: make any sense and done, and then I'm waking him up.
Speaker 3: I the way that I can think is, here's what
Speaker 3: probably happened. This scene should take place in the boys
Speaker 3: bedroom where I come in, I sneak into the window
Speaker 3: and I wake Cory up. And I think what happened
Speaker 3: is because we had the bus station swing set they
Speaker 3: had to use, they took the space that was the
Speaker 3: boy's bedroom. So the boy's bedroom got taken away for
Speaker 3: the week. And then they were like, oh wait, but
Speaker 3: we had to have him waking Cory up for the
Speaker 3: no clown no joke, which they loved and we repeated
Speaker 3: a bunch throughout the years. So like they just got
Speaker 3: married to a scene that they couldn't adjust, and we
Speaker 3: still have the chubby Center're like, we'll just put him
Speaker 3: in Chubbies.
Speaker 2: But you're because why not just meet at the train station?
Speaker 3: Might not meeting because then you'd have to have an
Speaker 3: exterior train station or have me inside the train station
Speaker 3: in the same the next I don't know, it doesn't
Speaker 3: make any sense because.
Speaker 1: Right that is the that is the only thing that
Speaker 1: makes sense is that this swing set took up the
Speaker 1: space of where the boy's bedroom was, and.
Speaker 3: This whole scene should be me sneaking into the window
Speaker 3: waking Corey up to say I'm running away. I'll see
Speaker 3: you later. Because in the next scene is him going
Speaker 3: into the kitchen. It's like it doesn't Yeah, it would
Speaker 3: have been doesn't normal, but we didn't have that set.
Speaker 4: It would have been really interesting though, to have it
Speaker 4: in like the treehouse, Yeah, sure, because it's the juxtaposition
Speaker 4: of I'm an adult but you're in a kid's treehouse
Speaker 4: at four o'clock in the mark something there that would
Speaker 4: have been great.
Speaker 3: We never utilized the Treehouse enough and then never comes
Speaker 3: back to it. It's a plummer.
Speaker 1: No, you see it more than just in the pilot.
Speaker 1: You see it a couple of times, but I think
Speaker 1: only two times. Yeah, it's not a lot, and I
Speaker 1: do love I love the I love the Treehouse.
Speaker 3: Left.
Speaker 1: So, Corey is sleeping in a booth at Chubby's where
Speaker 1: he agreed to meet Sean at five am. Don't know
Speaker 1: why you guys are allowed in there, It's so weird.
Speaker 1: But so he wakes up Corey and Corey is yelling
Speaker 1: no clown, no, Sean joke.
Speaker 3: Back so many times.
Speaker 4: I like that.
Speaker 3: I think we bring it back in like season six
Speaker 3: and so yeah, no, I think it's an running thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah right.
Speaker 1: So Sean tells Corey he wanted to meet early to
Speaker 1: say bye before he left. Cory says bye and puts
Speaker 1: his head back down to go back to sleep, but
Speaker 1: Sean is serious he's leaving town. Cory says he knows
Speaker 1: what this is. Today is Miss Burnbaum's test, and considering
Speaker 1: Sean has never met Miss Burnbomb, he's ditching school. Sean
Speaker 1: says it has nothing to do with school. He's going
Speaker 1: to travel to get to know himself. Because he can't
Speaker 1: be happy in school if he's not happy with himself.
Speaker 1: He says a idea from his guy character the.
Speaker 3: Jacket here, I do like hunting jacket.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well the thing across the back.
Speaker 3: He's fantastic, fantastic. And this is, you know, obviously because
Speaker 3: Harley is back and took my jacket jackets. But in retrospect,
Speaker 3: this I would have liked to.
Speaker 2: I agree, this is more of a.
Speaker 3: Rider jacket than a Sean jacket, right, I would totally
Speaker 3: wear this jacket.
Speaker 2: This jacket is amazing.
Speaker 3: I like the jacket more of the time. In another episode,
Speaker 3: I remember commenting on it and I in the living room.
Speaker 3: I was wearing it for something, probably because again Harley
Speaker 3: had the leather jacket that episode. But yeah, I don't
Speaker 3: think we ever see this jacket again.
Speaker 4: So I like the jacket more than I like the storyline,
Speaker 4: because again it's like, oh, Sewn's running away again, Like, okay,
Speaker 4: we're seeing and kind of putting Corey on the spot again. Hey,
Speaker 4: I'm using our friendship for me, please cover for me.
Speaker 4: And I'm kind of like I'm starting not to like
Speaker 4: I'm a little bit with that kind of storyline stuff
Speaker 4: where it's like, how many times can we do the
Speaker 4: same thing? He's running away and he's putting Corey on
Speaker 4: the spot to do it. It's like, okay, let's can
Speaker 4: we can we move on from this already? So yeah,
Speaker 4: that one that kind of threw me a bit.
Speaker 3: And it's also a little bizarre to offload, like the
Speaker 3: reason that Shawn is making this choice is because of
Speaker 3: a guidance counselor character we've never established before this episode.
Speaker 3: Like it would have been great to me, It would
Speaker 3: have made perfect sense for like Turner to have made
Speaker 3: a comment child or like yeah, or mister Williams, somebody
Speaker 3: who we've already established, who's like part of their community,
Speaker 3: who then gives this miss you know, this bad advice
Speaker 3: or this advice that they think is good that then
Speaker 3: Sean misinterprets, because then it feels like the culpability for
Speaker 3: leading a kid astray is the community's responsibility, as it is,
Speaker 3: we just have to purge this bad guidance counselor woman.
Speaker 3: Yeah right, you know, And it's like, oh, she just
Speaker 3: gave crappy advice, and it's like that there's no consequences
Speaker 3: of that that matter to our viewers. You imagine with
Speaker 3: him and Alex.
Speaker 4: I was just gonna say me and Alex, Raffeni kind
Speaker 4: of says to Alex, you have to understand the power
Speaker 4: of being a teacher.
Speaker 3: Yes, like the power that you hold is would be
Speaker 3: They were just like if we need a more females,
Speaker 3: you know that. We just think they probably were just
Speaker 3: like getting network notes, like you can't just have the
Speaker 3: same characters. Let's shake it up, but bye bye. But
Speaker 3: by exporting that that sort of storyline to ann quantity
Speaker 3: an unknown character, it really takes away the value of it.
Speaker 3: This episode becomes like a romp, like a one off,
Speaker 3: as opposed to an essential, you know, development of the
Speaker 3: the main Cares characters.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Turner doesn't know, and Sean wants Corey to cover
Speaker 1: for him.
Speaker 6: Again.
Speaker 1: He tells Corey he's never been this excited or ready
Speaker 1: for anything in his whole life, and then he asks
Speaker 1: Cory for a few bucks, which I thought is a
Speaker 1: very cute, such a kid thing, Mom, I'm really capable
Speaker 1: of this.
Speaker 2: Can I have ten dollars?
Speaker 3: Yeah exactly.
Speaker 1: Corey tries to stop him, but Sean says, if you
Speaker 1: he's really his friend, he'll let him go.
Speaker 5: And then again I just wrote.
Speaker 2: Why did the stan have to take place here?
Speaker 3: Again?
Speaker 1: I'm just confused by all of that. Okay, then we
Speaker 1: are back in the Matthew's kitchen. Eric is forging a
Speaker 1: letter of recommendation for college on a typewriter. Eric is
Speaker 1: really really really smart and really really really nice and
Speaker 1: a really really really good for your school.
Speaker 4: I love it. It's funny. But again, why not do
Speaker 4: this bedroom's gone? Because why not?
Speaker 3: Why would be in it like in some sort of
Speaker 3: private instead of you know.
Speaker 2: You're absolutely right on the bedroom mount.
Speaker 4: The bedroom's gone. That's got to be what it is, right,
Speaker 4: You're right, writer, it's got to.
Speaker 3: Be that because it's men.
Speaker 1: He signs this really really really good letter from George
Speaker 1: Millhouse Millhouse. He doesn't know how to spell principle, so
Speaker 1: he signs it off as head guy, head.
Speaker 3: Guy to the men. All that we know of do
Speaker 3: we ever learn? Feeni, I don't know.
Speaker 1: Send your emails to Daniel Fisher. I don't know, writer.
Speaker 1: We will find out for right now, it's Millhouse.
Speaker 5: Okay.
Speaker 1: Alan comes down to see Eric working early, asking why
Speaker 1: he's not using a computer. Eric says, it's a paper
Speaker 1: on the all mission. It just seemed wrong to use
Speaker 1: a computer, and Amy comes in and sees him working
Speaker 1: on the typewriter and asks if he put a waffle
Speaker 1: in the computer. Again, So I didn't.
Speaker 3: Remember this storyline at all. We're now officially into that.
Speaker 2: I have no idea there's a reason why you don't remember.
Speaker 3: This episode in particular is completely lack of memory for
Speaker 3: me too. I think it was. I think this was
Speaker 3: a desperate week of rewriting. I think we were like,
Speaker 3: oh sound. It was like stuff was happening all over
Speaker 3: the place. Something was weird about this episode in our
Speaker 3: real life. I don't remember what, but for some reason,
Speaker 3: it completely did not lodge in my brain either. Yeah,
Speaker 3: me neither Danielle and you weren't even there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I wasn't even there, So it's no wonder
Speaker 1: I don't I don't remember it. Corey comes home saying
Speaker 1: I can't believe he does this to me over and
Speaker 1: over again. Amy and Alan ask Corey what's wrong, but
Speaker 1: Corey says he doesn't want to talk about it. Eventually,
Speaker 1: Corey tells them it's been a rough morning. It started
Speaker 1: with a scary dream. Amy asks if it was the clowns,
Speaker 1: and then Corey says, yes, same dream, then just explains
Speaker 1: what's going on.
Speaker 3: Yeah, But again Corey comes in.
Speaker 4: It's probably seven o'clock in the morning, and the parents says,
Speaker 4: where were you? No, Hey, why are you coming in
Speaker 4: fully dressed when we're all coming down where he originally.
Speaker 3: Came down the stairs? And then they just changed it.
Speaker 4: Maybe because he's Yeah, he just walks in early morning.
Speaker 3: Nobody says anything. It might as well be this kid's birthday.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Then Corey starts to explain what's going on with Sean,
Speaker 1: but he walks over to the phone, saying, who am
Speaker 1: I kidding? I know what I have to do. Corey
Speaker 1: says he's doing the right thing, and it's all Amy
Speaker 1: and Allan's fault because they raised him right. Corey tries
Speaker 1: calling Turner, but it's going to his machine, and now
Speaker 1: he has to listen to three minutes of Kat Stevens.
Speaker 3: Love this whole bit. I love Corey being mad at
Speaker 3: his parents for being a good person. I think that's
Speaker 3: a great dynamic star we haven't quite seen like you know,
Speaker 3: and I love playing into that. And it's and then yeah,
Speaker 3: the Cat Stevens three bites of Cat Steven's on the
Speaker 3: answer machine is great.
Speaker 2: I'm not quite funny.
Speaker 3: It's like not super mister Turner. But now I'm like, oh,
Speaker 3: this describes I guess it does.
Speaker 1: Get Yeah, So then Corey just decides to tell to
Speaker 1: tell mister Turner in person. And I really think that
Speaker 1: these little these jokes are really good, like character development jokes.
Speaker 1: The fact that we learn that Corey has a recurring
Speaker 1: dream about clowns.
Speaker 2: And then also it tells.
Speaker 1: You so much that like, he has this recurring dream
Speaker 1: about clowns and his parents are fully aware of it
Speaker 1: because he talks about it with his family, like I
Speaker 1: have this recurring dream about these clowns. They're in on it.
Speaker 1: It's like a whole family topic topic. And then he
Speaker 1: also he uh, he keeps saying, oh, who am I kidding?
Speaker 1: There's like this big who am I kidding? Thing?
Speaker 4: Uh huh. And then the cat Stevens we just got
Speaker 4: from producer Tara. According to the Internet, Poene's middle name
Speaker 4: is Hamilton.
Speaker 1: Please do not send your emails to writers.
Speaker 3: Strong Hamilton, George Hamiltons.
Speaker 1: Phoee, Okay, did you guys ever have a song on
Speaker 1: your answering machine? Heck, yes, I did, remember I don't
Speaker 1: remember what it was. But heck, yes, I used to
Speaker 1: have that outgoing song.
Speaker 3: You don't remember what it was though?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 3: Was it doing a song?
Speaker 1: Can You used to be able to wall your phone
Speaker 1: instead of ringing, people could listen to a song?
Speaker 3: Oh really?
Speaker 1: But also different, that's that's when we had cell phones
Speaker 1: back in the answering machine days. Instead of leaving a message,
Speaker 1: you could play like a minute of a song and.
Speaker 5: It would just tell everyone what they need to.
Speaker 3: I don't think I don't think that.
Speaker 4: In my family, my father took leaving the message very seriously,
Speaker 4: and he sounded like a robot. To this day, if
Speaker 4: you call him, he goes, hello, you have reached attorney
Speaker 4: for Dell. Please leave a number. It's like, we'll are
Speaker 4: you talking to you?
Speaker 3: Still? To this day? What do you call your cell phone?
Speaker 3: Will you say? We're not home right now? I'm like,
Speaker 3: who's I'm calling you on a cell phone? It's just you,
Speaker 3: it's not But you see that a sense of like
Speaker 3: a communal It's like you've called the my parents. My
Speaker 3: parents still have an answering machine. But like will you
Speaker 3: must have been one of those who did like joke
Speaker 3: answering machine Like remember with some of the things. Some
Speaker 3: were like, hello, you got those a lot.
Speaker 1: Do you guys remember impersonation tapes you could buy for
Speaker 1: your answering machine?
Speaker 4: You have those, I do remember, And they were big
Speaker 4: around the jerky boys time boys.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you could put something on. Then it was like, hey,
Speaker 3: I'm not here right now, jerky like stuff like that.
Speaker 3: It was like, oh man, okay, I bought a voice
Speaker 3: changing telephone from Sharper Image they used to sell remember,
Speaker 3: of course they have a phone, and like, I somehow
Speaker 3: convinced my parents to let me buy this, Like as
Speaker 3: if the whole point wasn't prank calling all right? Well,
Speaker 3: I mean Sharper Image was just heaven on Earth when
Speaker 3: I was ten or whatever. Yeah, I somehow I remember
Speaker 3: I bought a voice changing telephone. That's all I would
Speaker 3: do is prank call people. So funs thought it was
Speaker 3: anything other than that, Like I missed radio shack.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah.
Speaker 4: When you're like you need to buy batteries and like
Speaker 4: what's your phone number? Like wait, what, why why do
Speaker 4: you need that?
Speaker 3: Well?
Speaker 1: Amy sees the recommendation letter from Phoenie, but as Alan
Speaker 1: starts reading it, they realize Feenie didn't actually write it
Speaker 1: and Alan rips up the letter, and I'm not sure
Speaker 1: exactly when Amy realized this letter wasn't written by Phoene
Speaker 1: if she knew from the very moment she picked it up,
Speaker 1: But her face never gives off the thing of like
Speaker 1: a realization.
Speaker 2: It's a very weird bit.
Speaker 1: It feels like they never believed Feenie would have possibly
Speaker 1: written him a recommendation letter, like just from the beginning
Speaker 1: at Eric, they think Eric is just a total idiot.
Speaker 2: And then by the way, this is the end of
Speaker 2: this storyline.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, it's done. It's done. I had to say.
Speaker 3: It's like the way that will just goes all, Like
Speaker 3: when he rips up the letter, I'm like, Kiah, but
Speaker 3: what are you going to do?
Speaker 2: Are?
Speaker 3: Yeah, it seems like and it seems very non boy
Speaker 3: meets World, right, because Boys World is the show where
Speaker 3: Rusty gives the good advice or Amy says that they
Speaker 3: like you have the moment where you're like okay and
Speaker 3: Eric comes around and changes his behavior.
Speaker 1: But no, this is the moment where I was like,
Speaker 1: these parents who have been stellar A plus parents up
Speaker 1: to this point, these parents are failing this child.
Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you, thank you. So I fail though, they're.
Speaker 1: Not failing Corey, but they sure are failing Eric Matthews.
Speaker 4: And nobody has said, hey dad, where's Morgan? No, forget,
Speaker 4: they have three.
Speaker 2: Children failing a kid. They got rid of a trial.
Speaker 3: They got rid of a kid, for God's sakes.
Speaker 2: So then we are in the school hallway.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: Phoene runs after Eli to say he had the best
Speaker 1: time recording his voice for the school project and he
Speaker 1: can't wait to get a copy. Eli says, the students
Speaker 1: cut him out and decided to go with Eli instead.
Speaker 1: As Eli tries to say there will be other projects,
Speaker 1: Phoene tells, you like keep your pity man, And that's
Speaker 1: the that's the one I love.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's the one I love.
Speaker 1: That's the one I think has a great interesting choice
Speaker 1: of a read. That's the one that I'm like, I
Speaker 1: wonder if Alex meant to remember that one.
Speaker 3: They're talking about mangoes like mango. I remember saying.
Speaker 2: That, But is that the way he says it?
Speaker 5: Because it.
Speaker 3: Went on it because it's just we're doing an impression
Speaker 3: of somebody doing a bad impression of Daniels. That's pretty true,
Speaker 3: all right, I get it, Okay, And this is the this,
Speaker 3: This whole scene is why this episode is because it's
Speaker 3: so long. They want this face off with the bullies
Speaker 3: and it just it doesn't have anything to do with
Speaker 3: any of the other characters. But it doesn't. It's just
Speaker 3: like a fan service.
Speaker 1: Story, guidance counselor storyline. There's a fe Eli storyline, there's
Speaker 1: an Eric forging a letter storyline, and then there is
Speaker 1: a bully storyline. How many stories are in this episode.
Speaker 4: And none are really wrapped up in any way that matters.
Speaker 4: Nobody really learns much that Mattery.
Speaker 1: Can't fit an AB, A, C, and a D storyline
Speaker 1: into twenty two minutes.
Speaker 4: It's weird. It's the whole thing is weird. But this
Speaker 4: is the isn't this where this is where Tony comes out?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 1: Corey runs into Turner's classroom, saying Sean took off and
Speaker 1: he had to tell him. Corey tells him he doesn't
Speaker 1: know where he went, but he had a meeting with
Speaker 1: the guidance counselor and then split. Turner walks out to
Speaker 1: talk to the guidance counselor to see what happened. She
Speaker 1: explains they talked about family, college and finding yourself and
Speaker 1: then says, uh oh when she realizes she mentioned her
Speaker 1: year off in Europe.
Speaker 3: This is how you know it's a different floor. Okay,
Speaker 3: So he doesn't.
Speaker 4: He walks out of the hallway and then comes from
Speaker 4: upstage and turns and walks this way. So he comes
Speaker 4: from the top of the hallway up there, walk out
Speaker 4: of his room and walk over to the door.
Speaker 3: He walks out of his.
Speaker 4: Room and then comes from upstage. There is no telephone,
Speaker 4: there is nothing. There is a posters on the side,
Speaker 4: so they set it up that it is actually another
Speaker 4: floor that.
Speaker 1: He goes, I love it. Yes, okay, that makes sense.
Speaker 1: I did not notice that. Normally I noticed that we
Speaker 1: were blocking stuff, but I did not notice that. I
Speaker 1: must have had my head down in my notes. So
Speaker 1: Turner asks what kind of advice she's giving, and Miss
Speaker 1: Collins tells Turner to back up because she only talked
Speaker 1: to Sean for thirty minutes, but he's been living with
Speaker 1: Turner for four months.
Speaker 2: And then she says, ooh, that was good.
Speaker 3: It is it is, yeah, I mean this is I
Speaker 3: think this is just cramming so much into this episode
Speaker 3: that we don't get the counselors like this doesn't write,
Speaker 3: because this is a nice peat to turn it back
Speaker 3: onto Turner. Yes, but you and but you haven't seen
Speaker 3: Turner give him advice that is back the Shawn's missed,
Speaker 3: like taken the wrong way, So I just don't this.
Speaker 4: And again, this also would have worked if it was
Speaker 4: I know that you're saying we needed another female character,
Speaker 4: and that we did, and she obviously came in and
Speaker 4: did a great job. But had this been a scene
Speaker 4: between even if you don't want to make it Feenie,
Speaker 4: you want to make it.
Speaker 3: Turner and Eli going hey, wait a minute, Jonathan, he's
Speaker 3: lived with you for however long he's lived with you.
Speaker 3: I talked to the kid one time, this my second
Speaker 3: day as a teacher. You could have done anything there.
Speaker 1: Going back to if we were keeping it with this
Speaker 1: guidance counselor and developing more of the idea that she's
Speaker 1: just inexperienced.
Speaker 2: I like the idea of her being like, oh, I
Speaker 2: got to remember that.
Speaker 3: That's good.
Speaker 1: You know it.
Speaker 2: You read writing some notes. Yeah, it was a good read.
Speaker 1: And I like the idea of her thinking about like
Speaker 1: keeping notes for things to do in the future, and
Speaker 1: I'm learning here, you know, Like I like all that, but.
Speaker 3: It but also like, if you're going to have a
Speaker 3: character like this, then she she should there should be consequences,
Speaker 3: there should be development. She should be going to the
Speaker 3: bus station with Turner apologize to Sean, or maybe afterwards
Speaker 3: the tag could be a scene between her and Seawan
Speaker 3: being like I've now learned my lesson as a guidance
Speaker 3: counselor I've grown, you've grown as a kid. And but
Speaker 3: instead this is it. She's just dropped off. It's like, oh,
Speaker 3: she was ditzy and pretty and made a mistake and
Speaker 3: then she's gone, and it's like that's a bummer, Like
Speaker 3: this is actually a cool idea for somebody to have
Speaker 3: given advice that they think is good, and it is
Speaker 3: good advice, go to Europe, explore the world, like that
Speaker 3: is good advice, but then she just misappropriating it to
Speaker 3: a child.
Speaker 2: It really would have been great.
Speaker 1: I mean they obviously Eli was obviously busy with the
Speaker 1: Sphoenee storyline. It could have been Alan who who casually
Speaker 1: mentions to Sean that he took a year off or
Speaker 1: he did something.
Speaker 2: You know, wouldn't that have been great.
Speaker 3: Amy Amy, because then you still have a female character again, Amy.
Speaker 1: Could very easily say, well, you know, I took me
Speaker 1: a while to figure out what I wanted to do. Also,
Speaker 1: even still as an adult, it would have been nice
Speaker 1: for her to say, listen, even as an adult my.
Speaker 3: Teens, I tried to do real estate a gallery.
Speaker 1: Like you know, and in order to find myself I
Speaker 1: had to you know, it could have so okay, and
Speaker 1: we're still in the school hallway, Joey and Frankie are
Speaker 1: looking at the clock. There's ominous music playing, waiting for
Speaker 1: Harley and Griff to show up.
Speaker 4: Do you remember this? Okay, so this was okay, So
Speaker 4: this was I remember this. So this is the only
Speaker 4: thing I remember of this episode is that this was
Speaker 4: ad libbed at the table read.
Speaker 3: So at the table read that we're.
Speaker 4: Sitting there and you know how you would you would
Speaker 4: sit there and do a table read is you're reading
Speaker 4: your dialogue, and in between doing your dialogue, the director
Speaker 4: is reading out the stage directions that are in between.
Speaker 4: So Corey walks down the hallway and opens his locker
Speaker 4: like they would actually read that out physically at the
Speaker 4: table read. So the a locker squeaking and a paper
Speaker 4: flying by was actually the His line was only this
Speaker 4: doesn't feel right, Frankie, I'm I'm getting nervous. But right
Speaker 4: before the stage direction was they're in the hallway, ominous
Speaker 4: music plays a locker squeaking paper blows by, and then
Speaker 4: it cut and then Blake went a locker squeaking paper
Speaker 4: blowing by. I don't know what's going So he just
Speaker 4: added that in to his dialogue and it got a
Speaker 4: huge laugh at the table, so they added it into
Speaker 4: the script. So that was all him, just ad libbing
Speaker 4: from what the stage direction was.
Speaker 3: None of that was actual dialogue.
Speaker 4: But it was soy to get that and a paper
Speaker 4: blowing by and everybody lost it at the table. So
Speaker 4: that's like, that's all I remember. This entire week was like,
Speaker 4: oh my god, I remember this. Yeah, he made that
Speaker 4: up on the spot.
Speaker 1: It starts with them looking at the clock waiting for
Speaker 1: them to show up, and Frankie says, Griff and Harley
Speaker 1: fighting just doesn't make sense, and Joey says, maybe they
Speaker 1: won't fight. Maybe they had one of those moments where
Speaker 1: just everything makes sense. Frankie suggests that's an epiphany and
Speaker 1: Joey shakes his head no, like Frankie is the dumb one.
Speaker 1: And then the clock strikes twelve, and no one is
Speaker 1: there but Joey and Frankie with an eery calm and
Speaker 1: a Western gunfight theme music is playing. The nearby locker
Speaker 1: squeaks with the wind like a saloon bar door, and
Speaker 1: some trash drifts by their feet like a tumbleweed. This
Speaker 1: is really fun, But.
Speaker 3: Dey takes up so much in that episode.
Speaker 1: Did we need that opening part of them looking at
Speaker 1: the clock in the first two minutes? Couldn't it have
Speaker 1: just started with them standing in the middle of the
Speaker 1: hallway for noon and the squeaky door and the trash can.
Speaker 3: Of course, I swear what happened is there was an
Speaker 3: existing script with a guidance counselor, and the writers realized
Speaker 3: that Danny was better and they were like, let's resolve this,
Speaker 3: and they crammed this entire storyline into this episode, and
Speaker 3: it takes up a lot of time. It's just a
Speaker 3: time consuming storyline that doesn't involve any of the regular casts.
Speaker 3: And you know, they and I think it's it's very
Speaker 3: noble right. They wanted to satisfy the Griff Harley stuff
Speaker 3: and like I, I, but bring Danny. It's all in
Speaker 3: the sake of but it just makes for an awkward
Speaker 3: episode because it's shit warned in and it takes up
Speaker 3: all the oxygen.
Speaker 2: And by the way, I find it very funny. It's
Speaker 2: just crammed in.
Speaker 1: If they had been if they had made it a
Speaker 1: full bee storyline instead of it being a.
Speaker 2: Story that takes over a lot, it doesn't have enough time.
Speaker 1: If they dedicated a B storyline to it, it's very funny.
Speaker 1: And this stuff with the saloon door and the trash
Speaker 1: going by is great.
Speaker 3: Precory into it.
Speaker 4: I know.
Speaker 3: Why isn't that a part of this storyline? Hey, Franky
Speaker 3: and Joey helping them with could a million ways to
Speaker 3: make this feel more like a part of the rest
Speaker 3: of the episode. Frankly, what they should have done, and
Speaker 3: they did this other times.
Speaker 4: I don't know why they didn't hear is they should
Speaker 4: have cut the Eric storyline. I should have had a
Speaker 4: week off this week, and that you gued with the
Speaker 4: buying the paper. It's just to bring them into But
Speaker 4: it's just my storyline. It didn't matter. It didn't matter
Speaker 4: at all.
Speaker 1: Why do we need the eli Phoene storyline through this?
Speaker 1: Why isn't it a storyline between you and Phoene because too,
Speaker 1: I'm bringing you many things. Basically, I think what happened,
Speaker 1: like Ryder said, I think this was a week where
Speaker 1: there was a lot of stuff going on and some
Speaker 1: things got you horned in. But also I think in
Speaker 1: this episode, we're finding out that it feels like we
Speaker 1: have too many characters, and they had a hard time
Speaker 1: deciding which characters they were going to service, and they
Speaker 1: ended up trying to service too many of them. And
Speaker 1: I was still not in the episode. So Joey starts
Speaker 1: to panic and wants to leave, but Frankie says his
Speaker 1: mom isn't picking them up until three thirty, and Joey says,
Speaker 1: you in your carpool, grin, And then Harley shows up first.
Speaker 1: Then Griff walks in. Griff says he heard Harley wants
Speaker 1: to pound him. Harley is doing a very scary punching
Speaker 1: motion with his hands, and Griff asks what he's waiting
Speaker 1: for the sooner. Feenie finds out the sooner Harley will
Speaker 1: be back in reform school. Joey jumps in to say, okay,
Speaker 1: I guess the fight's over. Who's up for a little Chinese?
Speaker 1: But Harley starts to walk off and signals that Frankie
Speaker 1: needs to beat up Griff instead. Harley says he's waiting,
Speaker 1: but Frankie decides to quit being a lackey and tells
Speaker 1: Joey he should do the same. Joey also quits and
Speaker 1: wants to be his own man. Griff says, it looks
Speaker 1: like they have nothing to argue about anymore since Frankie
Speaker 1: and Joey quit, and he wishes Harley good luck with
Speaker 1: the whole retro look, and he walks off.
Speaker 3: I did too. This is like the.
Speaker 1: First time that anyone acknowledges that Harley's got a whole
Speaker 1: fifties thing going, just like he's in the fifties. Harley says,
Speaker 1: Frankie and Joey are showing spine self esteem and they
Speaker 1: have real hutzba and it'll be real hard.
Speaker 2: Beating it out of them.
Speaker 1: And then Corey comes out of class talking to totally
Speaker 1: different kids about how he pulled a fast one on
Speaker 1: Chris go ahead Harley by giving him a fake wallet
Speaker 1: with fake money, and he would have loved to have
Speaker 1: seen the look on his face when he found out.
Speaker 2: And then he bombs into hall In again.
Speaker 1: And oh, Harley says, it'll look a lot like this,
Speaker 1: but perturbed. And then we're in the bus station and
Speaker 1: there's Carmen Philpy sitting next to Sean playing bum going
Speaker 1: through a gift basket donated to the homeless shelter, and
Speaker 1: he offers Sean a mango. Sean thanks him, but he says, no,
Speaker 1: don't thank me, thank George Feeney because it's written on
Speaker 1: the card. And there are also teeth in the basket,
Speaker 1: but he says, oh wait, they're mine. Those are mine,
Speaker 1: and then he walks off. Turner runs in and finds
Speaker 1: Sean and says that when he heard Sean was going
Speaker 1: to Europe, he immediately thought bus station, which I thought
Speaker 1: was a funny joke that he just knows immediately he
Speaker 1: won't be at the airport, he'll be at the bus station.
Speaker 3: This is not a.
Speaker 6: Huge set, by the way, form and used and not utilized.
Speaker 3: That all there's like back rooms I know is there
Speaker 3: probably was multiple scenes in this in the original script,
Speaker 3: but uh, instead we lost the boys bedroom for this.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so funny.
Speaker 1: Sean is trying to go to Paris, France, but he
Speaker 1: has a bus ticket to Paris, Texas. He thought the
Speaker 1: TX meant Tex Turner says he doesn't know what Miss
Speaker 1: Collins said, but running away is not the answer. Sean
Speaker 1: says he's not running away. He's going somewhere and doing
Speaker 1: something with his life. He wants to ski the Alps
Speaker 1: or go to Spain and chase the bulls. When Turner
Speaker 1: tells him that the bulls chase him, he says he
Speaker 1: doesn't need Spain, and Europe's a big town and there's
Speaker 1: tons of stuff.
Speaker 5: For him to do.
Speaker 2: Great line, Yep to Europe is a big town is great.
Speaker 1: Turner asks why Sean didn't come talk to him, and
Speaker 1: he says because he's busy and he has his own
Speaker 1: stuff going on, but that doesn't mean he doesn't care
Speaker 1: what's going on in Shawn's life. Turner says he's more
Speaker 1: than his buddy. He's responsible for him, but says he's
Speaker 1: not his dad. He's used to being on his own.
Speaker 1: It's made him realize he has to look out for himself.
Speaker 1: As Sean starts to walk away and thanks him for
Speaker 1: the roof, Turner yells after Sean and says he's not
Speaker 1: going anywhere. Sean says he's going to Europe, but Turner
Speaker 1: corrects him that he's actually going to Texas again. Turner says,
Speaker 1: Sean has no idea what he's getting himself into. So
Speaker 1: Sean is going back home with him where he belongs,
Speaker 1: and if he wants to go to Europe, they'll go
Speaker 1: together next summer, but only if he starts going to
Speaker 1: class and he gets his grades up.
Speaker 3: And this is all lovely, lovely stuff, but great, it
Speaker 3: just doesn't feel earned by the episode now at all
Speaker 3: because it's not about our relationship until this scene, so
Speaker 3: we haven't really I.
Speaker 4: Don't know as it's a great could have been such
Speaker 4: an amazing storyline for Sean because for the first time
Speaker 4: he's running towards something as opposed to from something. Yes,
Speaker 4: which is a huge bit of character development, or could
Speaker 4: be if it's done right. You're actually going towards something
Speaker 4: and you're looking forward as opposed to just getting away
Speaker 4: from what's behind you. That's huge for a character. And
Speaker 4: they didn't do any and it's like, Okay, it was
Speaker 4: really weird.
Speaker 3: I had an interesting thought, which is this summer before
Speaker 3: this episode, I went to Europe with David Colmes, my teach.
Speaker 3: That's when you went the show. So I wonder if
Speaker 3: the idea teacher offering to take a student to Europe?
Speaker 3: What came from real life? Think if the writers on
Speaker 3: our show knew that I had gone to they did
Speaker 3: with David, that they incorporated that into this, which is great.
Speaker 3: It's kind of like a yeah, that's cool.
Speaker 1: I bet you, I bet I bet they did. David
Speaker 1: Colms influencing the storylines of Boy Meets World. The man
Speaker 1: with the gift basket tells Sean to listen to his dad,
Speaker 1: and Sean says he thinks he will, and he hands
Speaker 1: the man his bus ticket. The man yells, all right,
Speaker 1: I'm going to Europe. And then we're in the guidance
Speaker 1: Counselor's office. Corey is laying down on the couch, venting
Speaker 1: to Miss Collins about losing Sean and there was really
Speaker 1: no for him. Plus Harley is back and he's running
Speaker 1: out of wallets, and then there are those clown dreams.
Speaker 1: I love this, this Runner of the Clown thing. I
Speaker 1: really do enjoy it. Miss Collins interrupts Corey's rambling to
Speaker 1: say this is not the kind of counseling she does,
Speaker 1: and then Turner and Sean walk in. Miss Collins asked
Speaker 1: Jean the next time they talk if he can explain
Speaker 1: what he thought she meant. Sean doesn't understand, and Turner
Speaker 1: says he can just talk to him. Corey steps out
Speaker 1: with Sean and we get a really odd reaction shots
Speaker 1: Miss Collins who's slowly walking toward mister Turner, who gives
Speaker 1: a side smile, and it looks like, boun.
Speaker 3: Go ahead on the desk right now.
Speaker 2: Don't understand miss what to do with this character?
Speaker 3: So they were like, what do we I mean? The
Speaker 3: is the is the point that the guidance counselor is
Speaker 3: too attractive to be a guidance counselor and she's just
Speaker 3: flirting with Sean and now Turner or like.
Speaker 1: What a message that you cannot be a young woman
Speaker 1: in any place.
Speaker 3: Of business because no one will take you sea, no
Speaker 3: one will.
Speaker 2: Take you seriously, and everyone will sleep with you. I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't understand what's happening here.
Speaker 3: I don't either. It was so exciting, exactly the same,
Speaker 3: and I was like the look between Turner and the
Speaker 3: counsel question, Mark Lake, what is is this something that
Speaker 3: was out?
Speaker 1: And then when when Corey and Sean go outside, there's
Speaker 1: like a pause and then you hear the door close,
Speaker 1: which normally when you you hear the office door close
Speaker 1: behind them, but it's not like immediate. It doesn't the
Speaker 1: door doesn't you know, Normally when you are doing a scene,
Speaker 1: you want the door to close first, and then you
Speaker 1: start your dialogue. You try not to close the lot
Speaker 1: the door on a line, and they don't close it
Speaker 1: on a line.
Speaker 2: They close it in between a line.
Speaker 1: But also like you could have just left the door
Speaker 1: cracked and I wouldn't have wondered why I didn't hear
Speaker 1: the door closed, but you do.
Speaker 2: It's extra weird. So outside the door.
Speaker 1: Sean says he's not mad, and Corey says he's not
Speaker 1: apologizing and he's no longer responsible for Sean's actions. Sean
Speaker 1: says it's no problem, and he guess he missed his
Speaker 1: biology exam this morning. Corey says, don't worry. I took
Speaker 1: the exam for Sean. Two things I can't believe. We
Speaker 1: never addressed what happened to the end of Eric's storyline.
Speaker 1: Just nothing, just that, not even with FENI, not even
Speaker 1: with Feenie. Phoenia doesn't even know as far as we know, No, Okay,
Speaker 1: what is?
Speaker 5: What is?
Speaker 1: They're going to do for college. There needs to be
Speaker 1: a discussion. What are you going to do? You don't
Speaker 1: have a letter of recommendation?
Speaker 3: You get there? Were we do episodes I know that
Speaker 3: are about that. We get there. We spent three episodes
Speaker 3: in the SATs. Right now we're in college letter of recommendations.
Speaker 3: So weird. Well we'll cover it. But it's a weird. Yeah,
Speaker 3: this whole episode was just and everybody was good. It
Speaker 3: was just bizarre. It was like, yeah, I don't dislike it,
Speaker 3: but I don't like it. It was just weird.
Speaker 1: Second thing, Okay, where the am I? Why am I
Speaker 1: a part of this podcast? Do you guys want me
Speaker 1: to get somebody else in the seat?
Speaker 3: To Panka is not a big part of the show
Speaker 3: until I mean because of the lore, because you are
Speaker 3: part of the this is the thing. It's like boy
Speaker 3: Mean's world has like two levels. It has the levels
Speaker 3: that are expositionally told to the viewer. This is this
Speaker 3: is the storyline. Sean is this type of person. Corey
Speaker 3: into Panga are always there's all this expositional talk and
Speaker 3: then there's actual storylines and actual like what you're watching,
Speaker 3: and sometimes they're not equal to each other. So like
Speaker 3: there's a lot of like, for instance, there's a lot
Speaker 3: of exponential stuff about Eric being ridiculous and being dumb,
Speaker 3: which is fun and it takes up a lot of
Speaker 3: the actual screen time. But then there's a lot of
Speaker 3: expositional talk about Corey into Panga and how they've always
Speaker 3: loved each other and they're meant to be together when
Speaker 3: in reality you're barely on screen until like season four
Speaker 3: or five. I really believe that, Like it's crazy. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's a weird show in that way, Like there's two
Speaker 3: levels to it constantly.
Speaker 4: So is it like that what do they call that
Speaker 4: with the Berenstein Bears and all that stuff where people
Speaker 4: are remembering and I remembered it.
Speaker 3: The Mendela effect. Yeah, so it is. That's what it
Speaker 3: is on this shows you to remember things that never happened.
Speaker 3: Our show was like, we always do this, this is
Speaker 3: what we always do, and it's right right right little squirrels.
Speaker 4: Ye.
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