Speaker 1: Oh man, okay, so, uh years back, we're hanging out.
Speaker 1: I can't remember the specifics here. We're hanging out and
Speaker 1: we're talking about, as we do, extra terrestrials, and then
Speaker 1: we stumble on this idea of It's an idea we
Speaker 1: explored before, but what if other intelligent entities are coming
Speaker 1: not from outer space but from other dimensions. Forget about extraterrestrials,
Speaker 1: what about ultra terrestrials.
Speaker 2: They sound cooler than extra ones, that's for sure. It's
Speaker 2: like one cooler.
Speaker 3: This is fascinating stuff, you guys. The idea of a
Speaker 3: creature that could phase into our physical dimension and phase
Speaker 3: out if they wanted to, because you know, they're all
Speaker 3: dimensional like that. That's cool.
Speaker 1: They're so dimensional, they're ultra dimensional. Yeah, but this is
Speaker 1: this is this is a fascinating one. And can't wait
Speaker 1: to see what our fellow listeners think about it. It's
Speaker 1: Brendan from UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History
Speaker 1: is riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now
Speaker 1: or learn this stuff they don't want you to know.
Speaker 3: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,
Speaker 3: my name is Nolah.
Speaker 1: They call me Ben. We are joined with our super
Speaker 1: producer Paul Decant. Most importantly, you are here. You are
Speaker 1: you that makes this stuff. They don't want you to know,
Speaker 1: regardless of where or when you are tuning in. Oh boy,
Speaker 1: this one is a doozy. It's very strange topic. It's
Speaker 1: something that we have received multiple requests about over the years,
Speaker 1: YouTube comments, three am tweets and so on.
Speaker 3: It's a conceptual topic. It's one of those that we
Speaker 3: do those every once in a while where you really
Speaker 3: have to open your mind and go on a journey
Speaker 3: through several different hoops before you can really get to
Speaker 3: the concept. That's what we're going to do today.
Speaker 2: Wait, we're going on a journey.
Speaker 3: Oh this is a full on journey.
Speaker 2: I didn't sign up for a journey. Oh we're just
Speaker 2: gonna sit here at the table.
Speaker 1: We're already moving just in directions. We cannot perceive that
Speaker 1: would be the argument here. Most of us have heard
Speaker 1: strange stories about extraterrestrials, aliens Ufo Roswell Crash, Eric von
Speaker 1: Dannikin's sort of stuff about ancient aliens building civilization, and
Speaker 1: the idea is usually they came from somewhere beyond the
Speaker 1: Solar system. But you'll also hear stuff like the ancient
Speaker 1: lunar inhabitants or an old civilization on Mars.
Speaker 3: Yeah, a physical place that they are traveling from on
Speaker 3: some type of ship or in some manner like that.
Speaker 1: And whether or not you believe in the stories of
Speaker 1: extraterrestrial contact, there's no denying that it's been a conversation
Speaker 1: or an angry debate that humanity has been having for
Speaker 1: a long long time, with varying iterations, which we'll see
Speaker 1: in folklore today as well over the centuries, loads of researchers,
Speaker 1: scads of academics what's another name for a group of people,
Speaker 1: multitudes of mystics.
Speaker 3: Right, and a cadre of scholars.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, they've all argued with varying degrees of credibility
Speaker 1: for or against these possibilities and the claims for the
Speaker 1: existence of intelligent, non Earth based life. These claims typically
Speaker 1: take several forms. First, there's the basic idea that these
Speaker 1: things do exist and have contacted humanity or Earth, either
Speaker 1: in the ancient past, whether that's in the early days
Speaker 1: of human or prehuman civilization, or even before humans entirely,
Speaker 1: you know, like the elder Thing in all the HP
Speaker 1: Lovecraft stories.
Speaker 3: In the seating of humanity.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And the other side of this would be that
Speaker 1: this contact occurred in the recent past or currently through
Speaker 1: accident like the popular legend of the Roswell crash, or
Speaker 1: through design where these aliens said, hey, we like what
Speaker 1: you all have going on. For one reason or another,
Speaker 1: we're just gonna We're just gonna drop on in, get
Speaker 1: in where we fit in, or.
Speaker 3: Perhaps even influence us in one way or another as
Speaker 3: a human civilization.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: Yeah, here's how to farm morons, right, Here's here's how
Speaker 1: to take the thoughts that occur in your head and
Speaker 1: put them on the physical plane so that people can
Speaker 1: hear from you when you're dead.
Speaker 2: I would just hope that they would see from afar that,
Speaker 2: you know, we have a tendency to kind of be
Speaker 2: jerks and kill everything. Maybe it'd be a good idea
Speaker 2: to stay away.
Speaker 1: And maybe it's something they want to nip in the bud.
Speaker 2: Well, that's cool too, let's take all the help we
Speaker 2: can get.
Speaker 3: Or maybe it's something that all in intelligent life goes
Speaker 3: through almost a stage of development.
Speaker 1: Sure, like a sort of universal adolescence.
Speaker 2: Like I don't know the terrible twos, right, yeah, two
Speaker 2: millions time is a flat circle, my friends.
Speaker 1: Oh boy, we're falling into and around it. The second
Speaker 1: idea that about alien life would be as as Matt
Speaker 1: mentioned earlier, that extraterrestrials have either seated life on Earth
Speaker 1: or somehow modified existing animal life as we recognize it today. Personally,
Speaker 1: my favorite example of this, and I think the most
Speaker 1: plausible one is this theory we've talked about, which is
Speaker 1: a fascinating idea which just a terrible name.
Speaker 3: Pan Spermia.
Speaker 1: Yeah, pan spermia. It's you can pause and do some
Speaker 1: puns if you need too, folks, and then we'll come
Speaker 1: back in. Pan Spermia is the idea that life here,
Speaker 1: all life here on our planet, was seated not by
Speaker 1: an intelligent extraterrestrial life, but by microbes that were super
Speaker 1: hardy and able to tolerate the hazards of space, and
Speaker 1: they were attached to a common or other heavenly object
Speaker 1: that just crashed here.
Speaker 2: I could see that as being the genesis for all
Speaker 2: human life. I mean, I'm picturing, you know, the beginnings
Speaker 2: of this crazy thing we call humanity as being like
Speaker 2: little tiny particles in microbes. I could totally see them.
Speaker 2: And water bears too.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, it's so cute.
Speaker 3: Tartar grades, tartegrades.
Speaker 2: And indestructible, right, pretty much like they can, like you know,
Speaker 2: survive for long periods of time with with no.
Speaker 3: Oxygen or anything. Yeah, in space radiation, bring it on.
Speaker 3: They're good to go.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're the energizer buddy of you know what. I'm
Speaker 1: going to give up on this one cosmos. There we go,
Speaker 1: thank you know, because just a peak behind the curtain here.
Speaker 1: I tried to make that reference and they had to
Speaker 1: stop and off air. Ask you guys, which battery it was.
Speaker 3: I'm sure it wasn't dura cel bunny.
Speaker 2: Did dura cell even have a cute little spokes thing?
Speaker 3: It's just the copper top.
Speaker 2: Really, it's a little dull. Then they would have updated
Speaker 2: that by now ever, already had a creature, didn't.
Speaker 1: They, I want to say, a dinosaur. I feel like
Speaker 1: all products should have some some animal mascot that's disturbing
Speaker 1: in its implications. Like there's a grocery store chain here
Speaker 1: in the southeastern part of the United States called Piggly Wiggly.
Speaker 1: You may not be familiar with this if you have
Speaker 1: not spent time in this neck of the global woods.
Speaker 1: But the Piggly Wiggly mascot is a pig that's really
Speaker 1: into killing pigs, and in one of its original iterations,
Speaker 1: it was cutting itself too.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 1: Yes, oh, and that's just normal. That has nothing to
Speaker 1: do with today's show. That's just how people perceive and
Speaker 1: portray things.
Speaker 2: That's just how it is here in the South.
Speaker 3: Another way that it could just be is that somehow,
Speaker 3: for some reason, aliens were the ones who actually planted
Speaker 3: the seed and altered the DNA of existing life on
Speaker 3: Earth to create intelligent life somehow, some way.
Speaker 1: Okay, so the idea there is maybe life was already
Speaker 1: present in some form with an extraterrestrial arrived and then
Speaker 1: they said, hey, let's go back through the genetic code
Speaker 1: and punch things up a little bit.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Or there was some type of interbreeding that occurred
Speaker 3: between species that existed and whatever alien species this was.
Speaker 3: That one as high, you know, as a highly just
Speaker 3: as difficult to grasp as all of these are, and
Speaker 3: as implausible as some of them might be, that one,
Speaker 3: to me is just not even a thing.
Speaker 1: You don't think so, because people who were Proponents of
Speaker 1: this would argue that all the stories of ancient travelers
Speaker 1: from Afar, like the Nephelin, for instance, breeding with the
Speaker 1: human population. They would argue that that is a coded
Speaker 1: translation of some true events.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's just what we know about how
Speaker 3: difficult it is for any type of crossbreeding just from
Speaker 3: terrestrial species. Sure, it seems as though maybe they had
Speaker 3: perfected the science of it, but I highly doubt that.
Speaker 1: And then one of the big assumptions would be that
Speaker 1: there is some there would be some kind of commonality
Speaker 1: or closeness such that you could exchange or modify genes.
Speaker 1: We know technically that it's possible to make a so
Speaker 1: called human z there's not hard proof that anyone did it,
Speaker 1: for a variety of understandable reasons.
Speaker 3: Event but again fairly closely related sure species.
Speaker 1: And then there's the third category of theories about or
Speaker 1: opinions about extraterrestrial contact with Earth.
Speaker 2: Right, And that's the idea that intelligent life has to
Speaker 2: exist somewhere, whether it's at the same time as intelligent
Speaker 2: life exists here on Earth or somewhere in the past,
Speaker 2: and if by some strange coincidence, some chance, we are
Speaker 2: the first intelligent life. Other examples are going to pop
Speaker 2: up somewhere sometime after we blip out.
Speaker 1: Yep, somewhere after our world ends, not with a bang,
Speaker 1: but with a whimper, there will be Yeah, there will
Speaker 1: be another civilization or another form of intelligent life that
Speaker 1: also grows up as a latch key kid in the universe.
Speaker 1: And wonders are we alone?
Speaker 2: And why not? Man? It makes I guess we're talking
Speaker 2: about earlier with the water bears and the you know,
Speaker 2: just the weird primordial goo that beget us. Why is
Speaker 2: what makes us so special that it only happened for us?
Speaker 2: I don't know, Like I really I'm asking.
Speaker 1: It's a great question.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a great question.
Speaker 2: But this idea really get to work on answering that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but while we're in the process of getting ourselves together,
Speaker 1: we do know that this concept that extraterrestrial life definitely, did, does,
Speaker 1: or will exist is based on pretty solid understanding of
Speaker 1: the universe, which, although it is negligible, is terrifying and
Speaker 1: nihilistic in its persuasiveness.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, because you're looking at just the sheer size
Speaker 3: of the universe itself, how many billions of galaxies there are,
Speaker 3: and all of the stars in those galaxies and all
Speaker 3: the planets that go around those stars. And then you
Speaker 3: also imagine how long it took for intelligent life to
Speaker 3: arise on the Earth. If you're thinking, okay, the Earth
Speaker 3: is over four and a half billion years old, it
Speaker 3: took x amount of time for humans to arrive in
Speaker 3: some form or another, at least Neanderthals and a little
Speaker 3: before that the documented forms of intelligence that we have.
Speaker 3: It takes a long time for life to spring on
Speaker 3: a planet and then to become intelligent.
Speaker 1: And also, we have no point, at least our understanding,
Speaker 1: We have no point at which time solidly stops. We
Speaker 1: have some ideas about when things might get kind of screwy,
Speaker 1: and we might find a shyamalan esque twist in time,
Speaker 1: But for now, we understand that the universe is huge.
Speaker 1: There's a vast span of time available for intelligent life
Speaker 1: to arise. We're in something pretty similar to an infinite
Speaker 1: monkey's infinite typewriter situation, which leads us, of course, to
Speaker 1: the Fermi paradox, the terrifying question, Well, if it is
Speaker 1: almost statistically certain that some other intelligent life form exists,
Speaker 1: why haven't we heard anything, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then that's when you get into the distances problem,
Speaker 3: and then you get into the physics problems about being
Speaker 3: able to travel such distances to actually meet the other
Speaker 3: intelligent species.
Speaker 1: Yeah. The same rough math assuring us that extraterrestrial sentient
Speaker 1: life has, does, or will exist also almost certainly guarantees
Speaker 1: we will never ever, ever ever meet them. Like two
Speaker 1: candles burning on opposite shores of the Pacific rim, we
Speaker 1: will never detect the light of another civilization. Full stop. Wow,
Speaker 1: that's a downer, but never fear. Today's episode proposes an alternative,
Speaker 1: and it's one you might not have heard before, folks.
Speaker 2: I know I'd never heard it before.
Speaker 3: Well you will hear it after this quick break.
Speaker 1: Here are the facts we have to We have to look,
Speaker 1: maybe not in space, but in other dimensions. And what's
Speaker 1: a dimension? A basis what we mean when we say
Speaker 1: dimensions are we're describing the different facets of what we
Speaker 1: perceive to be reality. And all of us are familiar
Speaker 1: with at least three of the main ones, right, the
Speaker 1: main ones to us. And then of course you know,
Speaker 1: we'll add a fourth one on the way. But let's
Speaker 1: walk through it before it gets super just super fing weird. Okay,
Speaker 1: we'll start at one. Let's call the first dimension length
Speaker 1: picture a line. It's just an X axis and that's it.
Speaker 2: Got it.
Speaker 3: The second dimension is the other axis the why let's
Speaker 3: call it width, and our one dimensional line in a
Speaker 3: two D perspective, it suddenly has a discernible like a
Speaker 3: wideness to it. If you've got those two lines, you
Speaker 3: can make.
Speaker 1: A box like a high Yeah.
Speaker 3: And now at this point we can imagine a two
Speaker 3: dimensional object like a square, a rectangle, a circle. The
Speaker 3: third dimension is null.
Speaker 2: Ah, yes, I am that third dimension, the notorious z
Speaker 2: access the wildcard, which we will call depth for our
Speaker 2: purposes here. Now our line is raised from the ground
Speaker 2: or it's descending into the ground. It can curve both
Speaker 2: toward and away from our perception. Now we can imagine
Speaker 2: objects like spheres or cubes exactly.
Speaker 3: So we've got three dimensions. Now this is how we
Speaker 3: interact with the world. If you look at a table, oh,
Speaker 3: look at that, it's got length, width, and depth. I'm
Speaker 3: doing it. I'm doing it right, I've got three dimensions.
Speaker 1: We're okay, we're getting enough to seem but why stop there, right,
Speaker 1: Let's go to the fourth dimension time. This governs the
Speaker 1: property of all known matter at any given point. And
Speaker 1: so now we can imagine how long this cube or
Speaker 1: sphere has existed in a certain spot, and we can
Speaker 1: understand the different between when it was in one position
Speaker 1: and when it moves to another place. And we need
Speaker 1: all four of these dimensions captain plan ending up together
Speaker 1: for us to plot the position of an object in space.
Speaker 3: Yes, a physical three dimensional object that exists at a time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, makes sense, right.
Speaker 3: Mm hmm, I got that. I'm so with you.
Speaker 2: I'm on board.
Speaker 1: But it doesn't stop there.
Speaker 2: I'm not ready.
Speaker 1: I don't know if anyone is man.
Speaker 2: We were promised a journey.
Speaker 3: Well, it's a journey that goes deep, deep into the deepest,
Speaker 3: darkest places that exist.
Speaker 2: Describe them to be mad.
Speaker 3: Well, okay, let's let's start. Let's start here. You've got
Speaker 3: the three dimensional objects right in this case, Let's say
Speaker 3: the three dimensional object is actually a place, like a
Speaker 3: kind of a place.
Speaker 2: And thing up like the shipping container that we're inside
Speaker 2: of right now.
Speaker 3: Where, Yes, like the shipping container. But let's imagine we're
Speaker 3: at a small pond okay now, and we're just gonna
Speaker 3: zoom deep into this pond. Right, So first, as you're
Speaker 3: going in, you see the pond itself, you see the water,
Speaker 3: You see the bottom of where the pond is, where
Speaker 3: the water is sitting on top of it, and we
Speaker 3: just go deep in there, and then you're gonna see
Speaker 3: if you get deep enough, you're gonna see that inside
Speaker 3: that water that looks clear to you is actually full
Speaker 3: of these microorganisms. And then you keep going into the microorganism.
Speaker 3: Then you see it's made up of all these proteins,
Speaker 3: complex proteins, and then you keep going down into one
Speaker 3: of those proteins and you see that it's actually made
Speaker 3: out of atoms. And then you see those atoms are
Speaker 3: made out of elementary particles like quarks and leptons and bosons.
Speaker 3: And this area that we get into is what this
Speaker 3: entire subject is about. Once you get that deep down
Speaker 3: into what an object in existence is.
Speaker 2: If you want a simulation of what match just described,
Speaker 2: there's a pretty amazing game called Everything. Yes. If you
Speaker 2: play the it's literally you can do what you just described.
Speaker 2: You can zoom from one layer to another like meta
Speaker 2: as hell, just like you know, you can be in
Speaker 2: a pond. You can go from to the micro level
Speaker 2: to the macro level, and you can birth new universes
Speaker 2: and join them together and make them dance with each other.
Speaker 2: It's pretty fantastic.
Speaker 3: But do you end up really understanding it after you
Speaker 3: play it?
Speaker 1: I feel like you get a sense of scale.
Speaker 2: Yeah, in times sense of scale. It's very zen. It's
Speaker 2: a very like nothing really happens, or yet everything kind
Speaker 2: of happened.
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's a cool game though it's meditative.
Speaker 1: I would say that's what I really that's what I
Speaker 1: really dig about it. And man, now I have to
Speaker 1: go play it again. That's such an excellent recommendation. So, right,
Speaker 1: according to particle physicists, the world as we understand it
Speaker 1: is defined in terms of these elementary particles Matt just described.
Speaker 1: You'll also hear them called fundamental particles. These, according to
Speaker 1: that idea, are the smallest things in the universe, or
Speaker 1: at the very least, they're the smallest things we can
Speaker 1: actually see because we're using some form of energy to
Speaker 1: communicate their presence and their properties to us. Right, and
Speaker 1: this is our technology only allows us to go to
Speaker 1: this hard limit. But what if it doesn't stop there.
Speaker 1: This is where we want to introduce you to one
Speaker 1: of the world's most widely misunderstood theories, the thing that
Speaker 1: has put checks in the mailbox of sci fi screenwriters
Speaker 1: across the planet, and that is the superstring theory. You'll
Speaker 1: hear this mentioned in many stories describing a parallel universe. Right.
Speaker 1: For instance, a show like Fringe would would have something
Speaker 1: like that, Right, friends, Yeah, friends, just think about it,
Speaker 1: think about it, really, think about it. Now, what's going
Speaker 1: on with Ross?
Speaker 2: One knows?
Speaker 1: Dinosaur expert? Are you kidding me?
Speaker 2: Not likely?
Speaker 1: I think there was one episode where they just discribe
Speaker 1: instead of like a paleontologist, they said, dinosaur expert. I've
Speaker 1: only seen two episodes of Friends.
Speaker 2: Someone should do a parody of Friends where it's like
Speaker 2: a mashup of friends and friends and there's like alternate
Speaker 2: realities of friends where they're all kind of like, you know, different, Great,
Speaker 2: it's different.
Speaker 3: One of jay Z's new songs, isn't It based the
Speaker 3: video that was made for it is based on an
Speaker 3: all African American cast of friends? And like what that
Speaker 3: would imply and then what the main actor is going
Speaker 3: through from a societal level, from a personal level, like
Speaker 3: what does.
Speaker 2: It mean that I'm doing this that sounds heavy. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's cool, it's incredible. No one on Friends really suffers.
Speaker 3: Yes, And Paul, our producer, is just informed me that
Speaker 3: the song is called Moonlight.
Speaker 2: Paul, the ghost in the machine decond.
Speaker 1: And who knows. As we'll see in this argument, it
Speaker 1: might be quite possible that the situation portrayed in the
Speaker 1: song Moonlight exists, just not in a way that we
Speaker 1: can currently see it. Oh so what if string theorists propose?
Speaker 1: What if, like the folks in inception, we need to
Speaker 1: go deeper and smaller than current technology allows. Originally, the
Speaker 1: idea was this that each of these fundamental particles we
Speaker 1: see Lepton's boson, so on, actually contains a tiny one
Speaker 1: dimensional loop of vibrating string or just an open string.
Speaker 1: It's something that's just wiggling, and the vibration determines the
Speaker 1: charge and mass of this greater particle. As the theory evolved,
Speaker 1: scientists introduce the idea of something called brains br a
Speaker 1: and ees short for membranes, higher dimensional objects that we'll
Speaker 1: talk about in a second. And here's the point, are
Speaker 1: the crux of string theory for our purposes today. The
Speaker 1: proponents of string theory believe that there are more than
Speaker 1: four dimensions, and additional dimensions are curled up in these tiny,
Speaker 1: complicated shapes that can only be seen at an infinitesimal scale.
Speaker 1: And if we could possibly shrink to this tiny plank
Speaker 1: sized scale, the smallest scale current technology allows for measuring stuff,
Speaker 1: we could see that at every three D point in
Speaker 1: space or four D you could say we could explore
Speaker 1: another six dimensions. And that's right. Depending on the variety
Speaker 1: or model of string theory we're talking here, there can
Speaker 1: be way more than three or four dimensions. We're talking
Speaker 1: anywhere from ten in superstring theory.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and if you want to take a look to
Speaker 3: kind of get your mind wrapped around this a little better,
Speaker 3: if there's it was it Wolf from Alpha, I guess
Speaker 3: it's become something else now members dot wolfrom dot com.
Speaker 3: You can find let's see, it's a Jeff Bryant visualization
Speaker 3: of a Calabi Yao shape.
Speaker 1: What this would look like to us?
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. You can just search for cla Abi dash
Speaker 3: Yau shape and you should be able to find it.
Speaker 3: It's fascinating and my mind is kind of wrapping around it,
Speaker 3: but not quite.
Speaker 1: So. Matt, how would you describe that shape that you're
Speaker 1: looking at.
Speaker 3: Well, it has these shapes rotating so that you can
Speaker 3: get a sense of what you're looking at. But it's
Speaker 3: almost like interconnecting, like an interconnected frilly object that looks
Speaker 3: as though it's a bunch of different circles that are
Speaker 3: then kind of placed at strange angles together and then
Speaker 3: moving together but at different axes.
Speaker 1: So it's dynamic.
Speaker 3: It's completely dynamic, and it is strange. And again it
Speaker 3: doesn't quite compute because I'm so not used to imagining
Speaker 3: anything outside of those four dimensions that we've described.
Speaker 1: And possibly we're incapable this point right. There are other
Speaker 1: theories like m theory attempts to unite a couple of
Speaker 1: different models and it posits that there are eleven dimensions.
Speaker 1: And there's bisonic extreme theory that says, you know what,
Speaker 1: let's double down, let's get real over the top and
Speaker 1: supersize it and say that there are twenty six total dimensions.
Speaker 3: And one of the reasons that there are so many
Speaker 3: dimensions and a lot of these theories is that the
Speaker 3: models don't match up with current models, and in order
Speaker 3: to try and get them to match up better with
Speaker 3: with the current status quo, of science. They're like, oh,
Speaker 3: well it would work if there were this many dimensions.
Speaker 1: Right right, yeah, exactly. That's a concise explanation. So modeling
Speaker 1: space time with extra dimensions makes it more mathematically conceivable
Speaker 1: and makes it consistent. But you know what, we don't
Speaker 1: have to stop there. Let's look into it a little further.
Speaker 1: What do the dimensions begin to look like, past number four,
Speaker 1: past time? What other measuring sticks or what do we encounter?
Speaker 2: Well, according to super string theory, the fifth and sixth
Speaker 2: dimensions are where we begin to see those alternate possible
Speaker 2: worlds we always hear about in science fiction, right yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: this is the fringe stuff, right right, So what would
Speaker 2: this look like? Well, in the fifth dimension, we'd see
Speaker 2: a world only slightly different from our own. That would
Speaker 2: give us kind of a way of measuring the similarity
Speaker 2: and differences subjectively, because they'd be.
Speaker 1: Subtle, right okay, yeah, yeah, we have sort of a
Speaker 1: yard stick by which to compare other things.
Speaker 2: And it probably wouldn't immediately break your brain too, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we wouldn't immediately have your hair go gray and
Speaker 1: one of your eyes explode.
Speaker 2: It'd be kind of a Marty McFly, you know, situation
Speaker 2: rather than yes, like a dude at the end of
Speaker 2: pet cemetery situation.
Speaker 1: Right, I liked that. I find that that's a place
Speaker 1: that I would want to visit, provided that it was
Speaker 1: still similar enough for us to live.
Speaker 2: Yeah, in terms of like breathable air, and you know,
Speaker 2: we all get nourishment from the same basic stuff.
Speaker 3: Yeah, then you get to the sixth sixth dimension.
Speaker 2: Is that where it gets crazy?
Speaker 3: I feel like it is. This is where it's almost
Speaker 3: the god perspective where you can see all of the
Speaker 3: possible different planes. I almost laid out in front of
Speaker 3: you of how this earth, this area that we're in,
Speaker 3: where wherever positionally we are in the universe, all of
Speaker 3: the different options after the Big Bang, conceivably.
Speaker 1: So the same starting point.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you start at the same point. This is where
Speaker 3: you are now, since that starting point in all the
Speaker 3: different iterations, and there are an infinite number of them.
Speaker 3: So if you imagine looking at your iPhone and being
Speaker 3: able to see them and just scrolling or just scrolling
Speaker 3: forever basically at all the different things possibilities.
Speaker 1: And what's fascinating about that is if that is somehow true,
Speaker 1: then this means it would theoretically be possible to travel
Speaker 1: back in time or go to different futures, right, go
Speaker 1: to more than one future possibility, and then in the
Speaker 1: seventh dimension you have access to the possible worlds that
Speaker 1: start with different initial conditions. So a universe that doesn't
Speaker 1: start with something exactly like the Big Bang, right, which
Speaker 1: is mind boggling. What would that be like the in
Speaker 1: the fifth and sixth dimensions. Again, as as Nolan Matt
Speaker 1: pointed out, the starting point was the same, and later
Speaker 1: down the line down the dimension of time, things occurred
Speaker 1: in different sequences. But here everything since the very very
Speaker 1: very very very beginning has been different and just probably
Speaker 1: gets probably continues to become more different.
Speaker 3: I'm trying to imagine it again. If I'm looking at
Speaker 3: my iPhone, So if we're in the sixth dimension and
Speaker 3: we're just scrolling through everything that maybe is in this
Speaker 3: folder or something, I feel like the seventh dimension is
Speaker 3: pulling out a folder or to see the next subroute folders,
Speaker 3: where each one of those you could look into and
Speaker 3: see the sixth dimension. Does that make sense?
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's not bad. That's not a bad comparison. So
Speaker 1: what happens in the eighth dimension if you'll notice, if
Speaker 1: you'll notice, listeners, the ante keeps upping with each new dimension.
Speaker 2: On the eighth dimension, we again get that god mode
Speaker 2: view of possible universe histories, each of which begins with
Speaker 2: different initial conditions and branches out into infinity. Yeah, so
Speaker 2: we're our minds are shattered at this point. They're floating
Speaker 2: around then in the ether.
Speaker 1: So these are increasing, The possibilities are increasing by an
Speaker 1: enormous step with each movement up or down the dimensional plane. Yep,
Speaker 1: I mean that's enough for me, But here's dimension number
Speaker 1: nine for everyone who just wants to keep going in
Speaker 1: the ninth dimension. Again, If this was true, we could
Speaker 1: theoretically compare all possible universe histories starting with all the
Speaker 1: different possible laws of physics. So a reality that just
Speaker 1: does not work like ours, which is a real tall order,
Speaker 1: especially when we consider that we don't fully understand the
Speaker 1: physics of our own universe.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know, not to get into our meat
Speaker 3: bodies observing this somehow, Oku're.
Speaker 1: Right, that's gonna be one heck of an iPhone.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you probably have to get it on iPad at
Speaker 2: the very least.
Speaker 1: Yeah, or the I think, which was long time listeners
Speaker 1: will recognize an illumination global unlimited product.
Speaker 3: What ever happened to them, They're still around, machinations, don't
Speaker 3: worry about it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we haven't heard the last of them. That's all
Speaker 1: we can say. In the tenth and final dimension, now
Speaker 1: we're at the point where everything that is possible, everything
Speaker 1: is imaginable, is we've taken care of it's covered. And now,
Speaker 1: according to physicists, beyond that point, or according to physicists
Speaker 1: who ascribe to this number of dimensions, beyond that point,
Speaker 1: nothing can really be imagined by us, and it becomes
Speaker 1: a natural limitation to our ability to imagine things. But
Speaker 1: as we established earlier, some models of this sort of
Speaker 1: theory argue that even more dimensions exist. So if that
Speaker 1: is true, if we are only conceiving or perceiving four
Speaker 1: of twenty six dimensions, why can't we see the other
Speaker 1: twenty two.
Speaker 3: Well. One theoretical explanation is called compactification. It's the idea
Speaker 3: that the other dimensions are in some way folded down
Speaker 3: into this complex structure that somehow prevents us from seeing them,
Speaker 3: like looking at a piece of paper directly from the side.
Speaker 3: If this makes sense, it's so thin It is very
Speaker 3: difficult to discern a piece of paper directly from the side.
Speaker 3: You would see that thin line, even though the paper
Speaker 3: has all kinds of unperceived surface area that you just
Speaker 3: can't make out because of your position in space time.
Speaker 1: In that case, it makes it sound almost like an
Speaker 1: optical illusion.
Speaker 3: Oh in some ways, or in maybe just an inability
Speaker 3: to observe.
Speaker 2: We just lacked the hardware. I guess, yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: And then there's the other idea, the brain that we
Speaker 1: mentioned earlier, short form membrane. This would be a higher
Speaker 1: order dimensional object that can have any number of dimensions,
Speaker 1: take your pick. This in string theory is considered a
Speaker 1: fundamental object, the same way that a lepton would be
Speaker 1: considered a fundamental object in particle physics. And some physicists
Speaker 1: explain our inability to perceive these dimensions by saying that
Speaker 1: maybe the problem isn't just us. Maybe what's happened is
Speaker 1: that our universe is itself a three dimensional brain, and
Speaker 1: we are stuck within a larger dimensional space. And this
Speaker 1: is an idea you had brought up before, Matt, the
Speaker 1: I guess simulation, hologrammatic universe.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that the pro if this was some sort of simulation.
Speaker 3: Everything that we perceive, everything that we've ever touched or observed,
Speaker 3: is actually just a computer of some sort working in
Speaker 3: whatever this If it is strings, even these strings are
Speaker 3: just the bit or the particles or the pixels. Maybe
Speaker 3: that would make a lot of sense if that were true.
Speaker 1: Maybe at this point there's no solid proof of this theory.
Speaker 1: The debate rages on. But here's the thing. A lot
Speaker 1: of the math actually works out. By adding these extra
Speaker 1: dimensions to calculations, scientists are able to get closer to functional,
Speaker 1: a functional quantitative understanding or theoretical understanding. Scientists have yet
Speaker 1: to nail down the famous, should i say, fabled unified
Speaker 1: theory of everything.
Speaker 2: Our compatriot Josh Clark from Stuff You Should Know is
Speaker 2: working on a project that has him talking to a
Speaker 2: lot of particle physicists, and his takeaway has largely been
Speaker 2: it's kind of a throw stuff at the wall and
Speaker 2: see what sticks kind of situation, like with economists. Even
Speaker 2: but yet the stakes are so high. It's really interesting.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because at some point it has to become theoretical,
Speaker 3: because biobs anything with whatever waves or lasers, whatever type
Speaker 3: of wave we shoot at something to observe it at
Speaker 3: that tiny level, we are affecting it because though it's
Speaker 3: being pummeled by a wave, and you're no longer just
Speaker 3: looking at something, you are physically touching it with something.
Speaker 3: And how can you know what's down there if you
Speaker 3: can't make a wave small enough to touch it. So
Speaker 3: you have to come up with ideas. You literally are theorizing.
Speaker 3: So I mean, you're right, it's throwing stuff against the wall.
Speaker 3: But it's definitely the best minds out there.
Speaker 2: Overt simplification. I guess it just means to Ben's point,
Speaker 2: no one's really figured it out equivocally, and to your point,
Speaker 2: it's doubtful that they ever will. I don't know, what
Speaker 2: do you guys think.
Speaker 3: I don't see how you can figure it out at
Speaker 3: this point.
Speaker 1: And it's one of the things that I've heard before
Speaker 1: I always found interesting was the idea that at a
Speaker 1: certain when you get close enough to the bleeding edge
Speaker 1: of thought on questions like this, it comes very close
Speaker 1: to an article of faith. The smartest people amongst us
Speaker 1: are using all of the knowledge accessible over thousands of
Speaker 1: years of civilization and going, ah, gosh, I don't know, guys,
Speaker 1: maybe this maybe I just like add another dimension. I
Speaker 1: don't know. It's four thirty, it's Friday. I'm not at
Speaker 1: all denigrating the work these people do.
Speaker 2: It's like, you say, it's theoretical, but it's theoretical based
Speaker 2: on evidence. Yes, you know, it's not just a pure
Speaker 2: leap of faith. But it's interesting how you know, we
Speaker 2: see science as the opposite of religion in many senses,
Speaker 2: and yet that kind of big thinking does play into
Speaker 2: the stuff that we're talking about. When I say big,
Speaker 2: I just mean God, the universe, you know what it
Speaker 2: all mean kind of stuff. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the idea that there could be something larger that
Speaker 1: we could or smaller or just different that we could
Speaker 1: understand despite our cognitive and physical limitations, dimensional limitations, I
Speaker 1: don't know. Well, here's the point. What if it's true.
Speaker 1: What if there are in fact dimensions of this nature.
Speaker 1: If that is true, fringe researchers argue, then our first
Speaker 1: encounters with non earth bound sentient life may not be
Speaker 1: from beyond the stars, but beyond the dimensions comprising our
Speaker 1: perception of reality.
Speaker 3: Who yeah, because imagine if you can observe some of
Speaker 3: those higher level dimensions. Imagine if you can observe them
Speaker 3: and see them through your iPhone or whatever device it is.
Speaker 3: You can see them all and perhaps even be in
Speaker 3: a different place than where you currently are.
Speaker 2: I can't. That's like imagining being dead. Yeah, my brain
Speaker 2: does not compute that. You know. You ever tried that
Speaker 2: experiment where you're like, what would it be like to
Speaker 2: not exist? You can't do it.
Speaker 3: Well, we found some people who believe they know the
Speaker 3: truth about this, and we're going to discuss them right
Speaker 3: after a quick break.
Speaker 1: Here's where it gets crazy.
Speaker 2: What if instead of looking to outer space for intelligent life,
Speaker 2: we focused on exploring these other dimensions ultraterrestrials instead of extraterrestrials.
Speaker 3: Yeah, say it again, ultra terrestrials.
Speaker 1: Ultra terrestrials. It's true. It's an idea that was proposed
Speaker 1: by a writer named John Keel in the nineteen seventies.
Speaker 1: He's one of the most widely read and influential ufologists
Speaker 1: of his time, and he coined the term ultra terrestrial. Originally,
Speaker 1: he thought that what he saw as evidence of UFOs
Speaker 1: was a symptom of extraterrestrial visitation. Physical aliens are somehow
Speaker 1: traveling to Earth for some reason.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a ship that I'm observing that it has physical,
Speaker 3: three dimensional space.
Speaker 1: And in time he became increasingly distant from that view.
Speaker 1: He wrote a book called UFOs Operation Trojan Horse in
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy and he pointed out something that is fascinating
Speaker 1: and I would argue true, and he said that these
Speaker 1: descriptions of encounters with what people perceive to be aliens
Speaker 1: or extraterrestrials, they often parallel certain stories or legends in
Speaker 1: folklore or religious encounters for very spiritual beliefs. And that's
Speaker 1: that's true. You can see the correlation. You know, stories
Speaker 1: of alien abduction have similarities to old legends of being
Speaker 1: abducted by the fay or you know, fairies or some
Speaker 1: other supernatural creature. But here's where he went with it.
Speaker 1: He went somewhere different. He didn't say, oh, what a
Speaker 1: fascinating folklore parallel. He said, also, this perceived link meant something.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that this link somehow indicated something more than a
Speaker 3: mere physical encounter between us humans and whatever these unknown
Speaker 3: entities were. He used this term ultra terrestrials to describe
Speaker 3: UFO occupants, the people actually inside the ships or the
Speaker 3: ones that were there that we were observing whatever physical
Speaker 3: form they took. He believed them to be non human
Speaker 3: entities that were capable of taking on whatever shape, whatever form,
Speaker 3: whatever thing that they wanted to become. And it sounds,
Speaker 3: I'm just gonna say, it sounds pretty dang crazy.
Speaker 2: Have you guys seen Annihilation? Yeah?
Speaker 1: No, yeah, I read the story.
Speaker 2: I think the movie varies pretty wildly from the book,
Speaker 2: but there is a there's a theme in that film.
Speaker 2: For at risk of any spoilers, I think you should
Speaker 2: if you're interested in this stuff, you should watch that movie.
Speaker 3: All right, let's say it. Let's do it right here.
Speaker 3: This is a spoiler alert. Skip forward a few minutes.
Speaker 3: If you want to not hear about this movie, tell
Speaker 3: me about it.
Speaker 2: No, well, just really briefly. I mean, it's about a
Speaker 2: consciousness that sort of travels to Earth on a media
Speaker 2: and it's like this bacteria kind of thing like we were
Speaker 2: talking about earlier, but it creates this zone where DNA
Speaker 2: is transmittable like light waves, and if you're in the zone,
Speaker 2: your DNA is affected. You're constantly mutating, and everything is
Speaker 2: mutating because it's like scrambling DNA. It's a little hard
Speaker 2: to explain, but there is. It's basically it wants to
Speaker 2: assimilate us and also kind of become us. And there's
Speaker 2: a whole theme where it creates clones of people, but
Speaker 2: not only a body snatcher's way, in a very existential
Speaker 2: kind of like, I don't know, it's it's it's it's
Speaker 2: a it's a mind fart. All right, Hm, it's I really.
Speaker 2: I think Paul really enjoyed it too, right, Yeah, it's cool.
Speaker 3: Okay, Well, now I don't have to see the movie now,
Speaker 3: saved me some money, thanks dude.
Speaker 2: All right, spoilers complete see the movie. Don't listen to Matt.
Speaker 1: If there were indeed creatures from another dimension, we're getting
Speaker 1: pretty deep with our assumptions here. But if there were
Speaker 1: indeed creatures from some other plane, how would the average
Speaker 1: human being or how would technology perceive these entities? What
Speaker 1: does a creature from the sixth dimension look like to
Speaker 1: those of us stuck in the three to four dimensions
Speaker 1: that were so familiar with This gets into again, I
Speaker 1: think we referenced it earlier, but this gets into Lovecraft
Speaker 1: stuff so quickly it's imperceivable to us. It's that utterly alien.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's fascinating. So the idea is that they didn't.
Speaker 3: They don't come from within our solar system them like Mars.
Speaker 3: They don't come from outside of our Solar system, like
Speaker 3: a different galaxy or just another one in the Milky Way.
Speaker 3: They are actually inhabitants, were are in the far future,
Speaker 3: inhabitants of Earth somehow.
Speaker 2: So it's like the upside down Stranger Things.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a great comparison. It would be an alternate world,
Speaker 1: an alternate universe.
Speaker 3: Yeah, just to throw this in really fast, another fantastic
Speaker 3: film that I couldn't remember the name of called Midnight Special,
Speaker 3: Thanks Paul, and it's directed by Jeff Nichols. In it,
Speaker 3: spoiler Alert deals with this very thing, beings that have
Speaker 3: always existed on Earth and still exist on Earth, but
Speaker 3: they just exist in a different dimension and it can
Speaker 3: only be observed by someone who is from that dimension. Anyway,
Speaker 3: watch the movie. Really.
Speaker 2: Let's also not forget about they live, you know, or
Speaker 2: when you put on a special glasses, Yeah, you see
Speaker 2: the monsters from the other dimension.
Speaker 1: So I just mentioned that for sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So this is definitely a thing that people have
Speaker 3: been exploring for a long time. Well after the seventies.
Speaker 1: Well, here's another argument from Keel, As he continues, he
Speaker 1: believes that these creatures are somehow indigenous to Earth or
Speaker 1: have been here for some time, but inhabit a dimension
Speaker 1: beyond time and physical matter, and that by shifting up
Speaker 1: and down through dimensional planes, he says through he ascribes
Speaker 1: it to electromagnetic activity, but in some unexplained way, they
Speaker 1: can materialize dematerialize as they please, and he believes that
Speaker 1: they can. They do have some sense of what we
Speaker 1: would understand as morality. They could be good or evil,
Speaker 1: but they seem to according to Keel, they seem to
Speaker 1: be really into manipulating and tricking humanity. And he argues
Speaker 1: that throughout different cultures and times and history, we've called
Speaker 1: them things like God or demons or spirits, fairies, monsters,
Speaker 1: and encounters with these beings, he says, have spawned entire religions.
Speaker 1: So for completely different reasons or with completely different conclusions.
Speaker 1: He agrees with folklores to see modern stories of UFO
Speaker 1: encounters as the current instance of this long running phenomenon.
Speaker 1: But there's, you know, the huge question, the ten dimensional
Speaker 1: dollar question here is if if this were true, then
Speaker 1: what what what the heck is the motivation? Why would
Speaker 1: these why would these things be here? What would they
Speaker 1: want to do?
Speaker 3: Yeah, it seems like it would take a tremendous amount
Speaker 3: of energy and currency. Probably, Well, it just depends, I
Speaker 3: guess on how the technology and or maybe maybe it's
Speaker 3: not even technology. Maybe it's just some level of consciousness.
Speaker 3: You have to then theorize about how they're actually shifting
Speaker 3: dimensions right right, Because if it costs a lot of money,
Speaker 3: you could you would compare it to like NASA sending
Speaker 3: a shuttle up or you know, SpaceX sending a rocket up,
Speaker 3: Like how expensive that is to do something big like that.
Speaker 3: And then if you're going to spend the energy to
Speaker 3: shift dimensions for some reason, perhaps it costs that much
Speaker 3: money unless it's some kind of innate ability that each
Speaker 3: one of these creatures has.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like, if it's an innate ability, would be it
Speaker 1: would it be as simple as someone observing in three
Speaker 1: dimensions just moving their hand toward or away from their eyes?
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, And if it's that, then the motivation could
Speaker 3: just be more like it's something that I wanted to
Speaker 3: do or I thought this would be funny.
Speaker 1: So there's a quote from Keel wherein he describes the
Speaker 1: motivation as part of a subtle cosmological system of control.
Speaker 1: It's been in effect since the dawn of humanity. That's
Speaker 1: a very vague statement as far as motivations go.
Speaker 2: It's also very intriguing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it does kind of make you want to buy
Speaker 3: a book. Oh and that's not a burn on John Keel.
Speaker 3: That's probably just good marketing, right.
Speaker 1: But it also, you know, you would wonder what again,
Speaker 1: that doesn't really answer the question of what is the
Speaker 1: end game, especially if this is, as Matt said, an
Speaker 1: expensive and or dangerous endeavor. Keil also believes this theory
Speaker 1: explains why some geographical areas are home to more UFO reports.
Speaker 1: He calls them window areas, and he thinks he says,
Speaker 1: they are probably areas with magnetic anomalies, and that this
Speaker 1: again makes the process of appearing in our space, time plane,
Speaker 1: or level or our brain br any easier for these
Speaker 1: entities really fast.
Speaker 3: Before we kind of start wrapping some of this up,
Speaker 3: let's just talk about out a gentleman named Charles fort
Speaker 3: and Fourtien's so, mister Keel. John Keel was a self
Speaker 3: described fourteen He went on Letterman one time. Well, well
Speaker 3: back in the day, and he was described as a
Speaker 3: fourteen when he was introduced. And this is someone who
Speaker 3: follows or believes or it maybe is just a big
Speaker 3: fan of but in some way influenced by Charles hoy Fort,
Speaker 3: who was a writer published a bunch of books. He
Speaker 3: was a writer from Oh well, gosh. He was born
Speaker 3: in eighteen seventy four and he died in nineteen thirty two,
Speaker 3: so he existed quite a time ago. But then if
Speaker 3: you imagine someone like John Keel who's writing in the
Speaker 3: seventies and eighties, in the sixties as well, he's writing
Speaker 3: books about these things that were considered to be or
Speaker 3: at least called fourteen events, things like frog's spontaneous falling
Speaker 3: from the sky all of a sudden, or it's raining red,
Speaker 3: or the rivers are running red for some reason in
Speaker 3: this other country, or even he brings up things about
Speaker 3: that time it rained raw meat in China in the
Speaker 3: nineteenth century that I've never actually heard about. I thought
Speaker 3: maybe you guys had heard about it from ridiculous history.
Speaker 2: I think I heard a story on NPR about that
Speaker 2: actually a couple of years ago. Oh okay, we should
Speaker 2: totally steal that yeah. I mean there's all kinds of things,
Speaker 2: even things that we use went in Kentucky. That's what
Speaker 2: I heard about. The Kentucky Meat Shower, oh, took place
Speaker 2: on March third of eighteen seventy six, where it spontaneously
Speaker 2: rained raw meat in the settlement of Rankin in Bath County, Kentucky.
Speaker 2: Was not an isolated event. Apparently.
Speaker 3: Was there a plausible explanation for that one?
Speaker 2: Well, some of the meat was identified as being lung
Speaker 2: tissue from either a horse or a human baby.
Speaker 1: I knew it.
Speaker 3: WHOA Okay, well we need to look into that. Ye.
Speaker 3: But along with all of these things, he's forty in
Speaker 3: the events, they include things such as bigfoot sightings, sure,
Speaker 3: and kangaroos that spontaneously appear in Illinois and then are
Speaker 3: chased and then can't be found again. Dinosaurs in Italy
Speaker 3: that get chased and hunted down by the army but
Speaker 3: they don't ever get found. But there were dinosaur footprints,
Speaker 3: according to Kiel, And it's just one of those things
Speaker 3: where I think we have to imagine all of this
Speaker 3: in that world. The concept of ultra terrestrials comes from
Speaker 3: this place where a lot of these forty in events
Speaker 3: are perhaps thought to be completely true.
Speaker 1: Right right, right, right, that's a very important extra dimension
Speaker 1: to add, oh snap to the episode. And it's true
Speaker 1: at this point there is no solid proof that we
Speaker 1: could find of these extra dimensions. A couple folks thought
Speaker 1: they came close experiment settings, and the math that they
Speaker 1: have worked on is compelling with the addition to these things,
Speaker 1: but again, no one's found the famous again fabled unified
Speaker 1: theory of everything. There's also because there's no proof of
Speaker 1: these extra dimensions in this sort of way, there's no
Speaker 1: solid proof of any extra dimensional sentient intelligent entity that
Speaker 1: would be able to find us. Of course, were it true,
Speaker 1: then automatically there would be some kind of sentient life
Speaker 1: in that in one of those dimensions as because we're
Speaker 1: you know, edging toward infinity. But it is completely possible
Speaker 1: that unobservable sentient life could exist emphasis. Unpossible, yeah, right,
Speaker 1: because we can't see the entirety of the lytras spectrum,
Speaker 1: nor can we hear the entirety of the sound spectrum.
Speaker 1: So possible, yeah, not plausible, not at all. I mean,
Speaker 1: there's just no reason to there's no compelling reason for
Speaker 1: us to say for sure, do you.
Speaker 3: Guys think that there will ever be a real Walter
Speaker 3: Bishop that for some reason unlocks the ability to travel
Speaker 3: that sixth, fifth and sixth dimension.
Speaker 2: I just think you would immediately like vaporize you either
Speaker 2: physically or just you know, like I said at the
Speaker 2: top of the show, break your brain, you wouldn't be
Speaker 2: able to come back from it. Oh. That was sort
Speaker 2: of part of his character too. He had tweaked him
Speaker 2: out a little bit talking about from friends, Right, Walter Bishop,
Speaker 2: you man, good character.
Speaker 1: I really like that actor John Noble.
Speaker 2: He was also, wasn't he in The Lord of the Rings?
Speaker 2: He was the worm tome a worm time and I'm
Speaker 2: the really horrible king. Yeah, who goes crazy eats the chicken.
Speaker 2: Well it sucks. Hm, those boys get slaughtered.
Speaker 3: Is that a spoiler?
Speaker 1: No, it's past the statue.
Speaker 2: Which past the statue, And speaking.
Speaker 1: Of time, as we understand it, it feels like it's
Speaker 1: right about time for us to wrap up the episode today.
Speaker 1: If you have any compelling proof of extra dimensional entities
Speaker 1: which would be very very surprising to us and to
Speaker 1: the world at large, love to see it, hear it,
Speaker 1: encounter it. We may not be ready to go there
Speaker 1: with you, but you know, we want to hear what
Speaker 1: you think.
Speaker 2: Always did you see Annihilation? What was your read? I
Speaker 2: would love to discuss that. Oh yeah, think we could
Speaker 2: do a whole episode there, like a mini Maybe we
Speaker 2: should like to start doing many episodes, or we like
Speaker 2: review weird movies or just talk about like a movie
Speaker 2: that pertains to one of our topics or something like that.
Speaker 3: Oh, that wouldn't be a bad idea. It'd be fun,
Speaker 3: especially if we start a thread on Here's where it
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