Speaker 1: Welcome back to everybody.
Speaker 2: It's the Fantasy Pros Dynasty Fantasy Football Podcast. I'm your host,
Speaker 2: Scott Bogman, following me on the Twitter at Bogman Sports.
Speaker 2: I'm joined as always by Pat Fitzmorris at fits Underscore,
Speaker 2: ff on the Twitter Machine and today FITZI it's Sleepers
Speaker 2: and Busts. So it's gonna be a fun one. It's
Speaker 2: just you and me writing, you know, by ourselves here,
Speaker 2: but I like it that way. We can get into fights,
Speaker 2: we can pick at each other. It's gonna be a
Speaker 2: fun one for sure.
Speaker 3: That's right. We don't have to, you know, maintain any
Speaker 3: sense of decorum with no guests. You know, we can
Speaker 3: just you know, fight like an old married couple. Bogs.
Speaker 3: But yeah, man, And by the way, I know this
Speaker 3: episode is going to come out after the game has
Speaker 3: been completed. But as we record this, I mean we
Speaker 3: are giddy with anticipation over the Hall of Fan game.
Speaker 3: And yes, I know the quality of football it's not
Speaker 3: going to be sterling tonight, but that won't stop me
Speaker 3: from putting down, you know, bets on four or five
Speaker 3: player props. And you know, I know a little and
Speaker 3: a little something to keep me interested in the second
Speaker 3: half of a bad preseason football game.
Speaker 1: I mean, as long as they play this game right.
Speaker 2: Because I remember a couple of years ago they had
Speaker 2: to cancel the Hall of Fame game because the field
Speaker 2: was such crap. I got to assume that they have
Speaker 2: fixed that issue. But Aaron Rodgers is back, and he
Speaker 2: was there the last time. They didn't play this game.
Speaker 2: But it's always a fun one and the best part
Speaker 2: is knowing that after this weekend, there is football every
Speaker 2: single weekend until February.
Speaker 1: So that is what I'm very excited for. Last three weekend.
Speaker 2: Get all your chores in, get all the stuff time
Speaker 2: with your kids and everything in because it's gonna lock
Speaker 2: away and we're gonna get college football and NFL football
Speaker 2: coming here real soon and then games account in about
Speaker 2: a month. So I'm super excited for football to be back,
Speaker 2: and super excited to talk sleepers and bust with you
Speaker 2: here fits, and let's just kind of go over, you know,
Speaker 2: because I feel like I have different rules for sleepers
Speaker 2: and bust. I feel like everybody kind of does. So
Speaker 2: it is a little bit of an arbitrary term because
Speaker 2: a guy that could be a sleeper in your league
Speaker 2: might not be a sleeper in a different league. It
Speaker 2: depends on the rules, It depends on the knowledge of
Speaker 2: the people playing. You know, there's a lot of different
Speaker 2: factors that go into what counts as a sleeper or
Speaker 2: a bust. So if we're looking just at these terms fits,
Speaker 2: how would you declare a sleeper or a bust in
Speaker 2: your mind?
Speaker 3: So we've got deep rosters typically in Dynasty right twenty
Speaker 3: or more. To me, these are guys who are maybe
Speaker 3: bottom five on your roster, but worthy of roster spots.
Speaker 3: So like, I mean, you know, cam Akers is not
Speaker 3: a sleeper, sure, some of these other guys, like just
Speaker 3: because guys who everyone is expecting to pop but haven't
Speaker 3: really fully popped Jets. These are guys who you know
Speaker 3: and looking in our list. I think we were kind
Speaker 3: of in step with how we decipher the term sleeper,
Speaker 3: and you know, it is guys that I think we're
Speaker 3: trying to convince people to take a shot on. I
Speaker 3: think most of these guys are rostered already in leagues,
Speaker 3: but could probably be acquired pretty inexpensively.
Speaker 1: Yeah, for me, I think that's exactly right.
Speaker 2: Like sleepers aren't they're not in the top ten rounds
Speaker 2: of a draft, right those are values. You may get
Speaker 2: a guy at of value, but he's not really a sleeper.
Speaker 2: It's not like a guy that no one is talking about.
Speaker 2: These are guys that just aren't getting a ton of
Speaker 2: buzz right now, or the buzz they're getting is kind
Speaker 2: of few and far. It's a little in between stuff
Speaker 2: like that. And then busts, on the other hand, fits
Speaker 2: I mean bus for me, bus can come from any spot.
Speaker 2: They're the complete opposite of a sleeper. You can have
Speaker 2: a first round bust in my opinion, because if you
Speaker 2: draft in the first round and he plays like a
Speaker 2: fourth rounder, that's a bust. You paid a premium for
Speaker 2: that player and he did not live up to that expectation,
Speaker 2: you know, So you can have a bust from really
Speaker 2: any point in the draft. I feel like outside of
Speaker 2: maybe the last five, six, seven rounds somewhere like that,
Speaker 2: because then you're really dart throwing for those sleepers. So
Speaker 2: I wouldn't consider those guys bust. But I think anyone
Speaker 2: in the top like ten fifteen rounds could be considered
Speaker 2: a bus if they don't play up to their round
Speaker 2: potential where you bought them or price in an auction.
Speaker 3: Yeah, these are two distinct sets of names here for
Speaker 3: the sleepers and busts. The sleepers are guys you know
Speaker 3: a lot of people might not have great familiarity with.
Speaker 3: And the busts, I mean, there are some big names here.
Speaker 3: We're gonna discuss bogs. Some of these guys are are
Speaker 3: Neon Lights type name. So yeah, this is this is
Speaker 3: gonna be a fun conversation.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and just keep that in mind before you come
Speaker 2: rip bus for our bust. We're saying that bus can
Speaker 2: come from any point and most likely the higher they're taking,
Speaker 2: the more likely they are to be a bust, to
Speaker 2: not live up to that first, second, third, fourth round value. Right,
Speaker 2: So we do have the bigger names are gonna come later.
Speaker 2: We're gonna do sleepers first and the bigger names are
Speaker 2: gonna come later. But these are guys, the sleepers that
Speaker 2: we're gonna go through, Guys that you just need to
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Speaker 2: and give us your first sleepers.
Speaker 3: All right, I'll lead off with Alec Pearce, wide receiver
Speaker 3: for Indianapolis Colts. He is an ECR a dynasty ECR
Speaker 3: Expert consensus ranking of sixty two wide receiver sixty two
Speaker 3: on Fantasy Pros. I've h a wide receiver forty eight.
Speaker 3: So here is guy Bogs with a six y three
Speaker 3: to two hundred and eight pound frame and four to
Speaker 3: four speed. Also a forty point five inch vertical jump
Speaker 3: that tied for fourth best overall of all the players
Speaker 3: in the twenty twenty two at the end of twenty
Speaker 3: twenty two NFL scouting combine. So this is an athletic
Speaker 3: cat and a second round pick, has second round draft capital.
Speaker 3: Decent rookie season last year considering just how bad the
Speaker 3: Colts QB situation was. Forty one catches, five hundred and
Speaker 3: ninety three yards two touchdowns. He is a vertical receiver, Bogs.
Speaker 3: He had a high average depth of target last year,
Speaker 3: and now he is getting paired with Anthony Richardson, who
Speaker 3: not only has a bazooka for an arm and can
Speaker 3: you know, stretch the field with Alec Pierce, but Richardson
Speaker 3: also has the mobility to buy time for his receivers
Speaker 3: to get open deep. So I'm kind of excited about
Speaker 3: this quarterback receiver pairing Pierce and Michael Pittman. We're both
Speaker 3: second round picks. Pittman is a little bit bigger, Pierce
Speaker 3: is faster. Is it totally inconceivable that Pierce ends up
Speaker 3: having a better career than Pittman. I mean, if I
Speaker 3: had to put an even money bet down on these two, yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm betting on Pittman. But I don't think it's totally
Speaker 3: out of the question that Pierce can end up having
Speaker 3: the better career. Bugs he reminds me a lot of
Speaker 3: Jordy Nelson in some ways this and I don't just
Speaker 3: want to caught up get caught up in doing the
Speaker 3: you know, two kind of tall, fast Caucasian guys, you know,
Speaker 3: but like I think they might have some of the
Speaker 3: same strengths. It seems like Pierce maybe he does some
Speaker 3: of his better work on the boundaries, which is, you know,
Speaker 3: where Jordi was great. I mean, Jordy was no one
Speaker 3: was better on the sidelines than Jordy. He was just
Speaker 3: sterling in that capacity. And you know, like Pierce got
Speaker 3: good marks when Matt Harmon ran him through film study
Speaker 3: in his Reception Perception series. So I'm pretty excited about Pierce,
Speaker 3: and it's kind of strange that no one has paid
Speaker 3: more attention to him given his combination of draft capital
Speaker 3: and like physical skills. You know, I know he did.
Speaker 3: He didn't light it up with his numbers in year one,
Speaker 3: but again, the Colts offense was kind of a dumpster
Speaker 3: fire last year.
Speaker 2: I feel like I'm one of those people too fits
Speaker 2: and you know, this is a potentially shifting offense as well,
Speaker 2: depending on what goes on with Jonathan Taylor, right because
Speaker 2: it seems to be getting fairly ugly, and even the
Speaker 2: backup you know, has been hurt there. So they're down
Speaker 2: to maybe their rookie Evan Hull as a starter next
Speaker 2: to a rookie QB as well, because Anthony Richardson is
Speaker 2: getting pretty much all first team reps right now. So
Speaker 2: it seems like they're walking into Week one with the
Speaker 2: rookie as their starter and they're not gonna give much
Speaker 2: consideration to Minshew now that we got a long way
Speaker 2: before the season starts and some preseason games and stuff
Speaker 2: like that, and Richardson's gonna have to improve to do that,
Speaker 2: but he's not a Alec Pierce is not a guy
Speaker 2: that I've thought about a lot. I have to admit
Speaker 2: I'm probably one of those people because I have him
Speaker 2: a little ahead of his ECR. But it's like four
Speaker 2: or five spots. It's not by a lot. And it's
Speaker 2: because when I look at this offense, I think run first.
Speaker 2: I think Jonathan Taylor to Anthy Richardson is gonna run
Speaker 2: a lot, and if you have a number one target,
Speaker 2: I think that's really automatically Pittman. I do think Pittman
Speaker 2: is a better overall wide receiver than Alec Pearson, and
Speaker 2: I wouldn't you know.
Speaker 1: So when you say is it that, is it conceivable?
Speaker 2: I mean Pierce would have to do a lot real
Speaker 2: fast for me to see him go ahead of Pittman.
Speaker 2: But that's what makes him a sleeper is no one
Speaker 2: is talking about him. So I think this actually might
Speaker 2: be the best sleeper that we have on this list
Speaker 2: because I'm not even thinking too much or too hard
Speaker 2: about Alex Pearson. There's a lot of skill in there
Speaker 2: for this guy. Yeah.
Speaker 3: And granted, Pittman versus Pierce is apple st oranges. I
Speaker 3: mean they're different. I don't think Pittman is necessarily a
Speaker 3: pure possession receiver, but he definitely operates in a different
Speaker 3: area of the field than Pierce does. You know, He's
Speaker 3: a little bit closer to the line of scrimmage, smaller
Speaker 3: average depth of targets. But you know, they're they're a
Speaker 3: pretty good complimentary pair.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think they work well. And uh, you know
Speaker 2: you have the roles for this team defined. It's Josh
Speaker 2: Downs is the slot guy. Pierce and Pittman are the
Speaker 2: outside guys. Johnny Woods is your new starting tight end here.
Speaker 2: Maybe Moiley Cox gets more playing time for blocking, but
Speaker 2: I mean, we know we know this offense outside of
Speaker 2: the running back now because of the questions with Jonathan Taylor,
Speaker 2: so Pierce is gonna be on the field a ton
Speaker 2: and hasn't gotten a lot of consideration. So I think
Speaker 2: that's a very very good one for me. Fits my
Speaker 2: first sleeper. I'm gonna go and look, these are gonna
Speaker 2: be some familiar names if you've been listening to every
Speaker 2: single episode of this show. But I'm beating the drum
Speaker 2: for these guys, man, and I'm not gonna come off
Speaker 2: of it. Jalen Hyatt is gonna be my very first
Speaker 2: guy here. And look, you know, I know that we
Speaker 2: saw a little bit before, you know, the combine where
Speaker 2: a Cowboys coach was saying, like, we know what you are.
Speaker 2: You're a speed guy, You're not a route runner. Well,
Speaker 2: his routes have been pretty good in camp right now.
Speaker 2: He started as a third team guy coming out of
Speaker 2: you know, mini camp and all that stuff, but he
Speaker 2: has quickly moved up to the second team. And this
Speaker 2: is the This giant squad for Jalen Hyatt, is a
Speaker 2: team that is looking for an alpha, looking for number one,
Speaker 2: and they've tried to go get it, whether it's drafting
Speaker 2: Jalen Hyatt this year, signing Paris Campbell going and trading
Speaker 2: for Darren Waller. They are trying to find someone to
Speaker 2: take the load off of Saquon a little bit because
Speaker 2: he led this team in targets again last year. And
Speaker 2: with Hyatt, you have a guy coming off a huge
Speaker 2: year in Tennessee where he had sixty seven catches for
Speaker 2: twelve hundred and sixty seven yards and fifteen touchdowns. You
Speaker 2: do not have to squint too hard to see DeShawn
Speaker 2: Jackson from this guy. And by the way, fits I
Speaker 2: don't know if you have heard this yet, but you
Speaker 2: know they tracked the miles per hour of all the
Speaker 2: players in the pads. It's been something they've been doing
Speaker 2: for I think since like twenty eighteen or I guess
Speaker 2: it actually have to be twenty fifteen and twenty sixteen,
Speaker 2: Jalen Hyatt has recorded the fastest time in pads of anyone.
Speaker 2: He's over twenty four miles per hour. The previous record
Speaker 2: was Tyreek Hill said at twenty three point twenty four
Speaker 2: miles per hour in twenty sixteen. So to me, I
Speaker 2: think Jalen Hyatt's floor could possibly be DeShawn Jackson right,
Speaker 2: and I think that he could climb much much faster
Speaker 2: than that. Of course, he's gonna have to do it
Speaker 2: on the field. You know, pads are one thing. On
Speaker 2: the field is a different thing. But this guy made
Speaker 2: a big difference for Tennessee. He was he put them
Speaker 2: on the map. Was huge to that as well as
Speaker 2: was Hendon Hooker. But I think people are overlooking Jalen Hyde,
Speaker 2: especially in startup drafts. Is ECR right now is wide
Speaker 2: receiver sixty one. I have him at forty three. I
Speaker 2: think if you can scoop this guy as the first
Speaker 2: dude on your bench and then take a higher floor
Speaker 2: guy like go get Chark or Thlan or whatever behind him.
Speaker 2: This is a risk worth investing in it, and I'm
Speaker 2: all in on Jalen Hyatt.
Speaker 3: I am starting to wish that I had gotten him
Speaker 3: in more than one of my rookie drafts in Dynasty
Speaker 3: leagues this year. Yeah, it's interesting and boy like, if
Speaker 3: he could be a healthier, more consistent version of DeShawn Jackson,
Speaker 3: that'd be pretty special. I mean, Jackson was an impact player,
Speaker 3: even though he you know, missed some time and tended
Speaker 3: to be really streaky like some big games, some games
Speaker 3: where he just kind of disappeared. But man, Hyatt. We
Speaker 3: talked about this with thorn Etrom about what a difficult
Speaker 3: evaluation the University of Tennessee receivers were because Josh Hipel,
Speaker 3: the Tennessee head coach, runs this very simplified offense.
Speaker 1: And it's a vanilla Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean it tries to simplify things for the
Speaker 3: quarterback as much as humanly possible, and Thor thinks Hypel
Speaker 3: is probably the best play caller in college football, but
Speaker 3: it doesn't necessarily the hyper offense doesn't necessarily prepare quarterbacks
Speaker 3: and wide receivers for the pro game as much as
Speaker 3: you'd like. So yeah, that made Hyatt and Tillman sort
Speaker 3: of tough evaluations going into the draft. But so far,
Speaker 3: so good based on all the training camp reports. And
Speaker 3: like you said, I mean, he's just got special speed
Speaker 3: and ball tracking.
Speaker 2: Ability, right, And there's you know, there's plenty of speed
Speaker 2: guys that come in and do nothing. Anthony Schwartz was
Speaker 2: a speed guy, Devin Allen pure speed, right, like, but
Speaker 2: there's Special Team Sean Ross, Yeah, yeah, John Ross. Yeah,
Speaker 2: there's plenty of guys. Darius Hayward Bay was a great
Speaker 2: special teamer, right, not a very good wide receiver. So
Speaker 2: there's plenty of these guys that come in with all
Speaker 2: this speed and do nothing with it. But he has
Speaker 2: an extra level of speed, you know that Tyreek, That
Speaker 2: cheetah speed is you don't have to be a great
Speaker 2: route runner because you're dusting everybody and you're snapping off
Speaker 2: routes real fast. And that's kind of what Marquise Brown
Speaker 2: does as a smaller guy too. So I love Jaylen Hyatt.
Speaker 2: I'm all in. I'm pushing the chips in towards him.
Speaker 2: Who's your second sleeper here by the way bus.
Speaker 3: And just because he didn't run a full route tree
Speaker 3: at Tennessee doesn't mean he can't.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no guy comes in as a completed wide receiver
Speaker 2: into the NFL. They're all balls of clay. They have
Speaker 2: different skills. Some guys are already really good at route running,
Speaker 2: some guys aren't. Some guys have breakaway speed, some guys don't.
Speaker 2: You know, everyone, the best coaching in football is also
Speaker 2: at the NFL level, So you expect these coaches to
Speaker 2: be able to unlock certain things in a player, and
Speaker 2: that is something you know. When you have that much,
Speaker 2: they don't have to be crisp, they just have to
Speaker 2: be quick and then you're dusting people. So yeah, I'm
Speaker 2: all in on Jalen Hyap.
Speaker 3: So my second guy box is Khalil Shakir, who I've
Speaker 3: touted before. He is an ECR of wide receiver eighty
Speaker 3: two and I have him at wide receiver sixty six. Now,
Speaker 3: Shakier only had ten regular season catches as a rookie,
Speaker 3: but he did play a little more in the playoffs
Speaker 3: for Buffalo. He had thirty snaps in the Bills playoff
Speaker 3: went over the Dolphins and had three catches for fifty
Speaker 3: one yards on five targets, and then he had two
Speaker 3: catches for forty yards the following week in the playoff
Speaker 3: lost to the Bengals. This guy's just a baller box
Speaker 3: and he was big time at Boise State, very productive
Speaker 3: during his college career there, including a seventy seven catch
Speaker 3: eleven hundred yard senior year in twenty twenty one. Ultra competitive, fast, tough,
Speaker 3: very dangerous after the catch, which is probably his best quality.
Speaker 3: And Shakira is not exclusively a slot receiver. So according
Speaker 3: to PF, of Shakir's three hundred and four regular season
Speaker 3: snaps in twenty twenty two, he was lined up in
Speaker 3: the slot for one hundred and sixty of them and
Speaker 3: outside for one hundred and forty four of them, so
Speaker 3: it was almost a fifty to fifty split inside outside.
Speaker 3: And I like that versatility because it gives Shakier a
Speaker 3: couple of possible pass to fantasy relevance. He could flat
Speaker 3: out win the slot receiver job in Buffalo's training camp,
Speaker 3: beat out Trent Scherfeld, who's, you know, just kind of
Speaker 3: a journeyman, and Deontay Hardy, who's extremely small, to become
Speaker 3: Buffalo's primary slot guy, or he could possibly be used
Speaker 3: outside if anything were to happen, as Steph Diggs or
Speaker 3: Gabe Davis. So about the slot, Bang Bogs, and I
Speaker 3: know you and I have discussed this, You and some
Speaker 3: other people have suggested that Dalton Kincaid might wind up
Speaker 3: being the primary slot guy for Buffalo, which you know,
Speaker 3: I suppose that's possible, and Kinkaid is undoubtedly going to
Speaker 3: get some snaps out of the slot. But I don't
Speaker 3: think we're going to see a tight end lined up
Speaker 3: in the slot when it's third and ten and Bills,
Speaker 3: you know, are going to three receivers or third and twelve.
Speaker 3: I mean, that's just not generally how NFL teams operate.
Speaker 3: Or maybe Kinkaid does line up in the slot on
Speaker 3: third and ten, but it's like he's a fourth receiver basically,
Speaker 3: and he's on the slot on one side, Shakiir's in
Speaker 3: the slot on the other side. So I mean, I
Speaker 3: don't think Kinkaid is going to make it so the
Speaker 3: Bills don't have a slot receiver. I think they are
Speaker 3: going to have a slot receiver that they play quite
Speaker 3: a bit. And I think Shakira is the favorite to
Speaker 3: be that guy.
Speaker 2: Look, I can get behind Shakir having a role, so
Speaker 2: I will I'll push back a little bit on him overall,
Speaker 2: just because I do have so much faith in Kincaid
Speaker 2: and I'm high ranker on Kinkaid for Redraft, then I
Speaker 2: think I might be high ranker on Kincaid for a
Speaker 2: dynasty as well. At least I'm very high up there.
Speaker 2: So I have a lot of faith in him earning
Speaker 2: that slot role. But I tell you who I don't
Speaker 2: have a ton of faith in is Gabe Davis. And
Speaker 2: you know, we talked about him a little bit. He
Speaker 2: could be a post hype sleeper, but he doesn't have
Speaker 2: the range that Shakir has.
Speaker 1: He has a better overall skill.
Speaker 2: I'd say his speed getting open deep and his ability
Speaker 2: to kind of change the game that way and take
Speaker 2: the top off the defense is better than anything Shaki
Speaker 2: has in.
Speaker 1: The bag, right, But that's it.
Speaker 2: Everything else I think Shakiir is better at so I
Speaker 2: would not be surprised to see him earn a role
Speaker 2: over Gabe Davis. But somebody is. I don't think it's
Speaker 2: going to be chopped up. And in this three man
Speaker 2: grossness of sometimes it's Kincaid, sometimes it's knocked. Sometimes it's
Speaker 2: Shakir some you know, sometimes it's somebody else.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: They brought in plenty of guys here, so I think
Speaker 2: that someone is going to end up with this role.
Speaker 2: And I always loved watching Shakier Boise State, And like
Speaker 2: you said, he was a guy that you knew where
Speaker 2: they were going with the football they designed, you know,
Speaker 2: like end of rounds and stuff with him too. He
Speaker 2: ran the ball plenty of times and they still couldn't
Speaker 2: stop it. So he was a dominant college player. Obviously,
Speaker 2: the NFL is tougher. His rookie year, he didn't really
Speaker 2: see much. But there is absolutely a chance. And like
Speaker 2: you said, I like the fact that you brought it up.
Speaker 2: He can be outside, he can be inside. We can
Speaker 2: run some trick plays with him. There are there's an
Speaker 2: opportunity for Shakir to have a very consistent role in
Speaker 2: his ECR. You're getting him for free. You're throwing a
Speaker 2: dart on him in the very last round or last
Speaker 2: two or three rounds in seeing where he ends up.
Speaker 2: So I like this call out by you here. I
Speaker 2: think Shakir is a good one.
Speaker 3: Thanks for mentioning the rushing thing. He did have a
Speaker 3: couple of seasons at Boise State where he was over
Speaker 3: one hundred rushing yards. I think one of those years
Speaker 3: he ran for like three touchdowns. So yeah, might get
Speaker 3: a little bonus out of him on some reverses.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you know, all around, just a player
Speaker 2: that you can design plays for. You know, kind of
Speaker 2: a debo ish, you know, good yak set him up
Speaker 2: for some short yardage, play him inside, outside, put him
Speaker 2: in the backfield. He can do it all. So I
Speaker 2: do like close Shakira as a call out as well.
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Speaker 2: here at Fantasy Pros number two. I'm gonna keep doing this.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna keep beating this drum. It's John Metchi. It's
Speaker 2: hard to have John Metchi not as my number one sleeper.
Speaker 2: I think we're gonna hit that guy last here, But
Speaker 2: John Metchi, I have him as forty eight among my
Speaker 2: wide receivers. A ZCR is seventy, so this is a
Speaker 2: deep sleeper and I'm beating the drum here. He was
Speaker 2: underrated coming in with a good wide receiving draft class.
Speaker 2: Then he had the leukemia obviously, so he's even more
Speaker 2: underrated now. But let's just first take a look at
Speaker 2: the competition that he's facing here in Houston right for
Speaker 2: number one targets. Under a new regime, no one is
Speaker 2: beholden to anyone on this roster, so this should be
Speaker 2: the word that Tony Romo said that we love to
Speaker 2: repeat a true meritocracy. Whoever is the best player should
Speaker 2: be getting the reps. For the Sexans team, it's Nico Collins,
Speaker 2: It's Robert Woods and Tank Dell at wide receiver and
Speaker 2: for targets, Dalton Schultz. Now early in the season, I
Speaker 2: do expect this to be more of a running team.
Speaker 2: You know, we saw Damian Pierce played pretty well last year.
Speaker 2: They brought in Devin Singletary, another guy that can get
Speaker 2: two hundred touches. So sure, maybe they're going to be
Speaker 2: a run first team. Maybe that's gonna be their identity here.
Speaker 2: But someone is catching passes in Houston, and I think
Speaker 2: it absolutely can be John Metchi. You know, I've beaten
Speaker 2: his college stats into the ground on this show, so
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna go too further deep in, but just
Speaker 2: remember his final year at Alabama, he had ninety seven
Speaker 2: touches eleven hundred and fifty yards and eight scores. You know,
Speaker 2: ninety six catches for eleven hundred and forty two yards.
Speaker 2: So this is a guy that has been at number one,
Speaker 2: that was with Jamison Williams on that same team, who
Speaker 2: I do think is a better wide receiver than Metchi,
Speaker 2: but he did that work with Mechi, with Bryce Young
Speaker 2: and now he gets c J.
Speaker 1: Stroud in this offense.
Speaker 2: And look, I think it's not just this season. It's
Speaker 2: also the fact that if he starts slow, he is
Speaker 2: going to be a freebie. If he has soft tissue issues,
Speaker 2: he might go to the wire. Maybe someone doesn't want
Speaker 2: to put him on the il and you can still
Speaker 2: pick him up and grab and stash.
Speaker 1: So it's not just for this year.
Speaker 2: And remember, you know, I watched James Connor come from
Speaker 2: pitt to the Steelers. He had his leukemia stuff at
Speaker 2: pitt Then with Pittsburgh he had some soft tissue issues, right,
Speaker 2: But the further he moved away from his leukemia treatment,
Speaker 2: the healthier he seemed to get. And he played running back,
Speaker 2: which is brutal. You're getting hit on every single play.
Speaker 2: That's not the same position that met She plays. It's
Speaker 2: completely different. It's still football. He's still gonna have bumps,
Speaker 2: some bruises, and we've already seen him, you know, in
Speaker 2: Minnie can't pull up with a hamstring. So I understand
Speaker 2: people are worried about, you know, potential issu injury issues.
Speaker 1: And that type of stuff.
Speaker 2: I'm just not you know, that's that stuff's gonna happen
Speaker 2: to everybody, and maybe it happens to him more this year,
Speaker 2: which will make him even cheaper. So this is not
Speaker 2: just a this year's sleeper to me. He could break
Speaker 2: out this year, but I think it's more realistic to
Speaker 2: expect his breakout next year and invest in him, get
Speaker 2: him as a throwing into trade, pick him up off
Speaker 2: the wire late and grab and sash whatever you have
Speaker 2: to do. I'm rostering John Metchi on my team in
Speaker 2: a deeper league no matter what. If nobody else wants him,
Speaker 2: I will one hundred percent be the guy. I've been
Speaker 2: snapping him up at the end of redrafts for this
Speaker 2: year just in case he becomes number one. Right now,
Speaker 2: So I'm all about John MITCHI. I know I beat
Speaker 2: this one into the ground a little bit on this show,
Speaker 2: but everybody needs to no sleeper and bust.
Speaker 1: He's one of my number one sleepers.
Speaker 3: I'm not necessarily down on Mechi bogs and he does
Speaker 3: have a lot of opportunity with a sparse wide receiver
Speaker 3: depth chart in Houston. But I guess my concern about
Speaker 3: him is that he's only one hundred and eighty nine
Speaker 3: pounds and not especially fast, and look, this would be
Speaker 3: a great story. I mean, if he comes back from
Speaker 3: the torn ACL and leukemia, like, great story. I think
Speaker 3: everyone is cheering for the guy. But I do worry
Speaker 3: that a guy's not fast to begin with. Who tours
Speaker 3: ACL a couple of years ago. He's a smaller guy.
Speaker 3: I don't know if he's got any real special traits
Speaker 3: based on you know, what I saw at Alabama, Like
Speaker 3: you know, Jordan Addison is small and not especially fast,
Speaker 3: but he's a great route runner, Like I don't know
Speaker 3: if Mechi is a great, great route runner, you know.
Speaker 3: And there's some other guys who like Khalil Shakira is
Speaker 3: an especially big but like really good after the catch,
Speaker 3: and he's faster than Mechi. So I mean, I'm not,
Speaker 3: like not totally opposed to this.
Speaker 2: I do think we go we basically Mechi's speed on
Speaker 2: though that that's my question because the skill for him
Speaker 2: to me is speed, and he's pretty crisp in his
Speaker 2: routes as well.
Speaker 1: Uh but but it is speed.
Speaker 2: And yes, he's coming off the torn ACL, I understand that,
Speaker 2: but we're not We're not counting his his combine? Did
Speaker 2: he even I can't even remember if you participated in
Speaker 2: the combine.
Speaker 3: No, I mean, like I've seen and I know, I
Speaker 3: don't know if it was from a pro day or well,
Speaker 3: it wouldn't have even been that, but someone had him
Speaker 3: at a four to six. I don't know. That might
Speaker 3: have been like an old high school time or something
Speaker 3: like that.
Speaker 2: He's he plays faster than that, like like that that's
Speaker 2: it because he returned kicked him punts too. At Alabama
Speaker 2: before he became, uh the big time wide receiver after
Speaker 2: the other guy's left. Remember, I mean this guy was
Speaker 2: overshadowed by Devonte Smith who won the Heisman in Jamison
Speaker 2: Williams right, So like, there are a lot of good
Speaker 2: wide receivers at Alabama that maybe he looks like playing
Speaker 2: next to them, But next to those sec corners, he's
Speaker 2: dusting everybody. So I think speed is his skill, and
Speaker 2: I think four to six is probably something he did
Speaker 2: right after treatment or you know, coming off that ACL.
Speaker 2: I don't think that's a true speed for him. So
Speaker 2: I think his his number one skill is probably speed.
Speaker 2: But after that, you know, it's a it's a it's
Speaker 2: a fair question, you know, not just leukemia torn acl too.
Speaker 1: Like, that's a lot of stuff to go through.
Speaker 2: So I understand why his ECR is this low and
Speaker 2: why people are kind of down on him. But I'm
Speaker 2: just saying, like, with the opportunity and with the skill
Speaker 2: set that I know, and I thought he was underrated
Speaker 2: coming in, you know, I think that he's still sleeping
Speaker 2: and even Fits is sleeping on him right now on
Speaker 2: this show. So go get him late, is what I
Speaker 2: would say. Uh, for my guy John Metschi, who's your
Speaker 2: second sleeper?
Speaker 3: Bugs, This is a deep one. It is generic Prince
Speaker 3: running back Jeeves. The ECR on him is like running
Speaker 3: back one thirty eight. I've got him running back seventy
Speaker 3: two and basically contending that he is worth a roster spot.
Speaker 3: I picked him up on two of my Dynasty teams
Speaker 3: this week. Training camp reports have thus far been glowing,
Speaker 3: and he could rocket up the Chiefs running back depth
Speaker 3: chart in a hurry. I mean, Isaiah Pacheco good first season,
Speaker 3: but he was a seventh round pick and his hard
Speaker 3: charging running style could possibly lead to injuries. Jeric McKinnon
Speaker 3: is thirty one and kind of a one dimensional passing
Speaker 3: down back Clyde Edwards Hilaire is fighting for a roster
Speaker 3: spot and maybe did Erik Prince is the guy who
Speaker 3: knocks Ceh off the bubble. And Patrick Mahomes was just
Speaker 3: singing Prince's praises the other day and he mentioned that
Speaker 3: Prince has been good as a pass catcher, which is
Speaker 3: something we didn't really get to see from him at
Speaker 3: the University of Tulsa, and one Chiefs reporter said Prince's
Speaker 3: roster spot should be written in ink. So reports very positive.
Speaker 3: Now who is he? Ya? He played for Tulsa And
Speaker 3: granted I had to ask Thorne eistrom are fantasy pros
Speaker 3: and betting pros, college football and NFL draft analyst about him,
Speaker 3: because you know, I try to watch as much college
Speaker 3: ball as I can bugs, but I do watch him.
Speaker 3: Tulsa not watching a lot of the Golden Hurricanes.
Speaker 2: So you didn't see that pimp pat on the sideline
Speaker 2: they have, you know how they do the chain for
Speaker 2: the turnover chain for some team. Yah, Tulsa's got a
Speaker 2: pimp pat with a big red feather in it.
Speaker 1: It's awesome.
Speaker 3: Nice. Yeah, So, I mean he is a bigger back.
Speaker 3: He's six to zero two hundred and sixteen pounds and
Speaker 3: he has four to four speed, So the physical stuff
Speaker 3: is great. Thor was telling me that, yes, he has
Speaker 3: just like really good natural power, but too often he
Speaker 3: in college, he's sort of reverted to being a finesse
Speaker 3: back in a way that didn't really benefit him. So
Speaker 3: Thor's like, you know, very gifted physically. If he can
Speaker 3: just kind of, you know, get his head straightened out
Speaker 3: and like go full Boor on every rep, he's got
Speaker 3: promise and you know, seven and twenty nine rushing yards
Speaker 3: in eight games his final season after he'd missed the
Speaker 3: first four games with some sort of undisclosed injury. Every year, Bugs,
Speaker 3: we see a couple of running backs come out of
Speaker 3: the ether and establish themselves as.
Speaker 1: Potential for this team last year.
Speaker 3: Exactly, and Prince does seem like he could be one
Speaker 3: of those guys for twenty twenty three and could potentially
Speaker 3: get some work in an explosive offense. I'm kind of, uh,
Speaker 3: I'm kind of intrigued here, Bogs.
Speaker 2: I look, I completely understand you being intrigued, and I'm
Speaker 2: also a guy that you know, I sit here and say, look,
Speaker 2: you want to invest in a chief somewhere you need
Speaker 2: to write like it's just smart to take someone in
Speaker 2: the best offense in the NFL, whether it's you know,
Speaker 2: reaching late for Denarik Prince, who's not even my favorite
Speaker 2: sleeper on the Chiefs. I like Justin Ross a little
Speaker 2: bit more than him, who are not even gonna talk
Speaker 2: about today, but I mean look him up. He was
Speaker 2: graded and Clemson he had a you know, spinal fusion surgery,
Speaker 2: and they thought he's gonna have to retire, and now
Speaker 2: he's back with the Chiefs after missing all of last
Speaker 2: year with a different injury, like he's injury prone. But
Speaker 2: Prince like, like you said, this is the same stuff
Speaker 2: we were hearing about Pachecko last year, and now we're
Speaker 2: hearing it about the Derek Prince because Pachecko is still
Speaker 2: waiting to be cleared. They said August twentieth is when
Speaker 2: he's expected to be cleared. And his hand is he
Speaker 2: had surgery on his hand and his shoulder, and the
Speaker 2: shoulder is a worrisome thing, which as a power running
Speaker 2: back is not a good injury to have.
Speaker 1: So I still like Pachecko.
Speaker 2: I've been investing in him because I do see him
Speaker 2: slip in some drafts because he's got the little flag
Speaker 2: or little cross next to his name, so people kind
Speaker 2: of ignore him a little bit and I'll snap him up.
Speaker 2: He should be ready by week one, and I do
Speaker 2: think he's still, uh the leading guy here. But remember
Speaker 2: Andy Reid is a total meritocracy guy. It doesn't matter
Speaker 2: where you were drafted, it doesn't matter you know what
Speaker 2: type of money you make. If you are the guy
Speaker 2: doing the work and getting the job done, you're gonna
Speaker 2: have playing time.
Speaker 1: That's just what it is for him.
Speaker 2: So this one is a sneaky one fits and I
Speaker 2: like it, and I think I said a second this
Speaker 2: is your last one, But I mean, I am. I
Speaker 2: respect this one a lot because this is an absolute
Speaker 2: free chess piece at the very bottom of your draft
Speaker 2: right like right now, maybe after a couple of preseason games,
Speaker 2: he's not gonna be sitting that low, but right now,
Speaker 2: you can take generic Prince as your very last pick,
Speaker 2: and there's still gonna be people in your league that
Speaker 2: haven't heard of him.
Speaker 3: Right Yeah, I mean there are some I said at
Speaker 3: the top of the show, this is mostly guys who
Speaker 3: are probably rostered in most dynasty leagues, But I think
Speaker 3: Prince is the one guy we're talking about as a
Speaker 3: sleeper who might not be roster in every league.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly.
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Speaker 2: My last sleeper here, it's one I think I've mentioned
Speaker 2: a couple times you and I have gone back and
Speaker 2: forth at this specific, specific position. I can't speak today.
Speaker 2: I'm so excited to talk about ty Chandler. But it's
Speaker 2: Ty Chandler Man. His ZCR is seventy nine. I got
Speaker 2: him at fifty three. He hasn't gotten a shot yet
Speaker 2: really at all, because Dalvin Cook was a workhorse and
Speaker 2: alex Sander Madison behind him at Boise State was also
Speaker 2: a workhorse. So we have these two workhorses, and ty
Speaker 2: Chandler as a rookie only had six carries. But at
Speaker 2: UNC he transferred there from Tennessee. His last year in
Speaker 2: twenty twenty one, he was top ten in breakaway percentage yards,
Speaker 2: top twenty and breakaway yards overall. He had thirty three
Speaker 2: rushes over ten yards that tied for twenty first in
Speaker 2: the nation. He was one of only thirty three players
Speaker 2: to hit that or one of only three of the
Speaker 2: thirty three players to hit that mark with under two
Speaker 2: hundred carries. I know preseason doesn't count, but last season,
Speaker 2: in the preseason, Ty Chandler led all players in yards
Speaker 2: per carry during the three games played at seven point
Speaker 2: five three yards per carry. Alexander Madison is likely to
Speaker 2: be the workhorse next year, but I still think that
Speaker 2: he'll get closer and meaning Chandler, we get closer to
Speaker 2: one hundred ish carries as opposed to the seventy three
Speaker 2: that Madison had backing up Dalvin Cook last season, as
Speaker 2: Dalvin Cook was like almost a three hundred touch player.
Speaker 2: I don't think I do think Madison is the workhorse guy.
Speaker 2: I do think he's a two hundred touch guy, but
Speaker 2: I do think there's more work for whoever's behind him
Speaker 2: than there was for him behind Dalvin Cook. That's kind
Speaker 2: of how I'm trying to say this. And Ty Chandler,
Speaker 2: we just talked about those breakaway yards. He's a high
Speaker 2: percentage and a high breakaway guy. That's his game and
Speaker 2: that type of game. It's like we talked about earlier
Speaker 2: this offseason with Devin Ah chain FITZI, this isn't a
Speaker 2: guy that needs twenty touches to be successful because he
Speaker 2: has that breakaway potential. If you're giving him ten to
Speaker 2: twelve touches, he rips one off. I think that's gonna
Speaker 2: be great for him. He can also catch the ball
Speaker 2: out of the backfield, which they're looking for somebody to do.
Speaker 2: I think he's more complete than Kenny Iguanu. Dwayn McBride
Speaker 2: had better numbers than him, I think in these breakaway
Speaker 2: yards and stuff like that, but he was also was
Speaker 2: playing G five competition most weeks behind a run only offense.
Speaker 2: Ty Chandler had Sam Howell and Josh Downs and a
Speaker 2: lot of good players around him to contend with, plus
Speaker 2: tougher defenses. So ty Chandler has already made a team.
Speaker 2: He's already looked good in the preseason, which is more
Speaker 2: than I can say about Dwayne McBride, kennaan iguand who
Speaker 2: is kind of a one trick pony, and he's on
Speaker 2: the pup right now, so I think maybe not on
Speaker 2: the puff, but he has been sitting out the last
Speaker 2: couple days. But I think ty Chandler is the immediate
Speaker 2: backup to Alexander Madison. And while we all think Alexander
Speaker 2: Madison can handle the workload, I think he can.
Speaker 1: I'm a believer in him.
Speaker 2: I don't think many players are built like cook In
Speaker 2: Chubb and Derrick Henry and CMC to withstand three hundred touches,
Speaker 2: so I don't think the Minnesota really gives them gives
Speaker 2: him that workload. And with those linebackers take an extra
Speaker 2: step back because you have Jefferson and Addison and Osbourne
Speaker 2: and Hawkinson, You're giving ty Chandler a little more space
Speaker 2: to work in oh Man. I am very very excited
Speaker 2: about ty Chandler, and he is pretty much free right
Speaker 2: now as the handcuff and back up to Alexander Madison.
Speaker 2: So I'm all aboard the ty Chandler hype train. I
Speaker 2: may be the only guy on this train, but I'm very,
Speaker 2: very excited to be conducting it, and he is my guy.
Speaker 3: My last Dynasty startup draft was about a month and
Speaker 3: a half ago Bogs. I did take Chandler in the
Speaker 3: lee rounds of that, so yeah, I'm tentatively enthusiastic. I
Speaker 3: do think he is a decent shot to be the
Speaker 3: primary passing down back for the Vikings. I don't know
Speaker 3: what his outlook is for early down work. I'm a
Speaker 3: little more hesitant to think that he's going to get that.
Speaker 3: My only concern is that now I've heard some Kareem
Speaker 3: hunt to minut soda rumors. If they bring someone else in,
Speaker 3: that's gonna make me hesitate. I would suspect he's still
Speaker 3: going to.
Speaker 1: Agree with me.
Speaker 3: I think he would still make the team even if
Speaker 3: he though.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I agree with that.
Speaker 3: That would add just a you know, another obstacle he
Speaker 3: would have to hurdle.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that is a possibility, And I know a
Speaker 2: lot of Vikings Beat writers think they should bring somebody
Speaker 2: else in. I don't think they're going to. I think
Speaker 2: they like ty Chandler. I think they like what they
Speaker 2: got and that's why they haven't made a splash earlier.
Speaker 2: So we'll see. There's a possibility. I could be wrong,
Speaker 2: but I really liked ty Chandler. To me, I thought
Speaker 2: of him as Willie Parker that could catch because he
Speaker 2: has super fast speed and that is a pretty good
Speaker 2: skill set to have. So you know, you compare the
Speaker 2: guy to Geordie. I compare a guy to Willie Parker.
Speaker 2: We're going old Packers and Steelers here as fans of
Speaker 2: those teams, but these are the teams we watch the most,
Speaker 2: so no one should be that surprise.
Speaker 1: Well, we're quicker through the bust.
Speaker 2: The busts are less fun to talk about because your
Speaker 2: predict thing a guy to kind of fall off or
Speaker 2: not match his draft value, which is a tough spot
Speaker 2: to be in. I like picking sleepers way more than
Speaker 2: I like picking busts. But the busts, I feel like,
Speaker 2: are kind of easier to pick. And you're also getting
Speaker 2: higher names in here. So we'll do this. You do
Speaker 2: your three and then I'll do my three. How about
Speaker 2: that fits to end us out for Okay the bus?
Speaker 2: So who's number one for you?
Speaker 3: All right, Bogs, I'm gonna start with Saquon Barkley ECR
Speaker 3: of running back five in Dynasty. I've got to win
Speaker 3: running back nine. And yeah, So I think people are
Speaker 3: viewing Saquon's twenty twenty two season as a successful comeback
Speaker 3: after injury plague seasons in twenty twenty and twenty twenty one,
Speaker 3: where he missed a combined eighteen games. Yes, he ran
Speaker 3: for thirteen hundred yards and ten touchdowns last year. I
Speaker 3: do have some concerns, however, Bogman, and concern number one,
Speaker 3: Saquon has not been truly effective as a pass catcher
Speaker 3: since twenty nineteen. That's for long years ago. Last year
Speaker 3: five point nine yards per catch and four point four
Speaker 3: yards per target. Those are bad numbers and the year before,
Speaker 3: granted he played thirteen games and might not have been
Speaker 3: full strength for some of those games, but six point
Speaker 3: four yards per catch four point six yards per target
Speaker 3: not great, and he's had two touchdown receptions in his
Speaker 3: last thirty four games, counting the giants two playoff games
Speaker 3: last year. Concern number two Bogs. His rushing productions started
Speaker 3: to taper off down the stretch last season. Over his
Speaker 3: first nine games of twenty twenty two, he averaged one
Speaker 3: hundred and three point four rushing yards per game and
Speaker 3: four point seven yards per carry. Over the last seven
Speaker 3: regular season games, he played fifty four point four rushing
Speaker 3: yards a game three point nine yards per carry. There
Speaker 3: was a decline. And take advantage of the perception that
Speaker 3: he's as good as ever, because I don't think things
Speaker 3: are quite as rosy as is commonly believed. This is
Speaker 3: going to be his age twenty six season. He turns
Speaker 3: twenty seven, right around the Super Bowl, he's at a
Speaker 3: tourneycl He's had a partially torn meniscus, he's had ankle issues.
Speaker 3: I don't know how many good years he has left Bogs.
Speaker 3: I think it's a good time.
Speaker 1: To sell, Well, I don't know that.
Speaker 2: I have a lot of argument for it's a decent
Speaker 2: time to sell, you know, because the falling knife getting
Speaker 2: out from under a running back before all, that's blah
Speaker 2: blah blah blah blah. You know, I don't follow that
Speaker 2: to a tee because I like to see a guy
Speaker 2: that has done it before and has done it again
Speaker 2: like Sakuon did last year. And yes, those numbers were
Speaker 2: bad in the second half. Yes he's had injuries. All
Speaker 2: running backs have injuries, so I'm not too worried about
Speaker 2: him in that respect. Is he the guy that came
Speaker 2: that he came out of Penn State as right now? No,
Speaker 2: no guy after getting this many touches into his career
Speaker 2: is the same, is as fresh legged as they were
Speaker 2: coming out of college. So I don't really have argument
Speaker 2: for that. My argument for Saquon continuing to have success
Speaker 2: would be more about the Giants offense and the fact
Speaker 2: that he shouldn't have been putting up those good numbers
Speaker 2: to start with, because he was the only show in
Speaker 2: town still led this team in targets last year because
Speaker 2: the wide receiver corps is disgusting Daniel Jones had to
Speaker 2: start running the ball because he had so many guys
Speaker 2: drafting him. You know, Daniel Jones had the highest adjusted
Speaker 2: completion percentage in the NFL last season because he had
Speaker 2: so many drops from his wide receivers last year. And
Speaker 2: there's just they're not giving him a lot of room
Speaker 2: to work with over the middle, with any of those
Speaker 2: guys that were on the team last year. So by
Speaker 2: adding Paris Campbell, by adding Darren Waller, by adding Jalen Hyatt,
Speaker 2: you have three guys that could potentially get or at
Speaker 2: least two of those guys are going to be high
Speaker 2: A doc guys. Hyatt and Waller should be high A
Speaker 2: doc guys that are kind of gond to push that
Speaker 2: front nine back just a couple steps or two. And
Speaker 2: I think that's what's is going to need to have
Speaker 2: a really big explosive year this year. So yes, I
Speaker 2: am a completely a Saquon apologist. I don't like that
Speaker 2: you have him at the top of the bus, but
Speaker 2: we're picking players that would bust. So if he's a
Speaker 2: fourth rounder and you're taking him in the second, he's
Speaker 2: a bust. So you're not getting back what you wanted
Speaker 2: for I maybe six or seventh round. More of a
Speaker 2: bust if you give you if he gives you back
Speaker 2: those numbers. But I mean, he's still gonna have a
Speaker 2: lot of touches in the floor is still very high
Speaker 2: as long as he's healthy for Saquon. So I'm still
Speaker 2: in on Saquon, but I understand the perception of him
Speaker 2: potentially being a bust.
Speaker 1: Who's number two for you?
Speaker 3: DeAndre Swift ECR running back nineteen. I've got him a
Speaker 3: running back twenty six. I think he's kind of a
Speaker 3: honey trap for a lot of dynasty managers bugs because
Speaker 3: he has the sort of profile that we're conditioned to love,
Speaker 3: early second round draft capital, good numbers for a big
Speaker 3: time college program, the Georgia Bulldogs, and best of all,
Speaker 3: pass catching ability, which we look for since dynasty leagues
Speaker 3: are general league PPR leagues. But after three years of
Speaker 3: DeAndre Swift, the Detroit Lions drafted Jimior Gibbs much earlier
Speaker 3: than anyone expected. Gibbs to be drafted twelfth overall and
Speaker 3: practically gave Swift away to the Eagles, a seventh round
Speaker 3: pick in this year's draft and a fourth round pick
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty five, So Swift's original team gave him
Speaker 3: a thumbs down. And the Eagles do have a great
Speaker 3: offensive ECO system generally, but I don't know if it's
Speaker 3: gonna be great for Swift. Much of Swift's fantasy value
Speaker 3: has been derived from his pass catching. The Eagles targeted
Speaker 3: their running backs only sixty one times last year, the
Speaker 3: fewest number of running back targets by any NFL team.
Speaker 3: That's three point six running back targets per game, and
Speaker 3: I don't really see that number going up.
Speaker 1: Didn't Swift have a sixty catches last year too?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: I mean he's had like seventy plus targets the last
Speaker 3: two years despite missing games. I mean, I think you
Speaker 3: average like six targets a game one year, five targets
Speaker 3: a game the other year over the last two years.
Speaker 3: And Hurts is mobile. We know mobile quarterbacks don't check
Speaker 3: down very often, and we also know it's easy for
Speaker 3: running backs to pile up targets when they're behind and
Speaker 3: their teams are playing catch up. And we saw Swift
Speaker 3: have some of those big games where the Lions were
Speaker 3: in a big early hole and Swift would get like
Speaker 3: twelve or thirteen targets and you know, have these big
Speaker 3: receiving days. That's not going to be the case for
Speaker 3: the Eagles Bogs. They're probably the best team in the NFC.
Speaker 3: When are they going to be down by two touchdowns?
Speaker 2: They definitely have one of the best defenses in the
Speaker 2: league too, so it's gonna be brinded out late.
Speaker 3: Rashot Penny better equipped than Swift for early down usage,
Speaker 3: better between the tackles. Kenneth Gainwell and Boston Scott are
Speaker 3: still around. I don't see why Swift still has a
Speaker 3: top twenty ECR and you know, even having him a
Speaker 3: running back twenty six fields too high.
Speaker 2: I'm completely with you in terms of Swift and Welsh
Speaker 2: and I have argued a little bit back and forth
Speaker 2: talking about Swift because Welsh says, well, I don't think
Speaker 2: they bring in Swift knowing his skill set to not
Speaker 2: throw to him. Maybe they brought him in to fix
Speaker 2: this part of the offense, which is a good thought,
Speaker 2: and you know, you would think there's at least gonna
Speaker 2: be more passes than running backs when you bring in
Speaker 2: a guy like Swift who has so much of his
Speaker 2: production off of that, so that I think that does
Speaker 2: you know, that is a solid argument, and it stands.
Speaker 2: But this team just made the Super Bowl, and as
Speaker 2: the old cliche goes, if it ain't broke, don't fix it.
Speaker 2: So I don't know how many more, And are you
Speaker 2: taking You're not taking targets away from Brown or DeVante
Speaker 2: to give them the Swift, So you're taking away from
Speaker 2: Goddard who's also probably just you know, higher in the
Speaker 2: pecking order in this offense. Then DeAndre Swift would be.
Speaker 2: I don't really believe ra Sean Penny will say much
Speaker 2: healthier than three weeks, like he never does. But if
Speaker 2: he does, he was their first crack. He was their
Speaker 2: first look, and he got first team go as well
Speaker 2: on when training camp opened up. So yeah, I'm with
Speaker 2: you on this one. Maybe I fight you on Saquon,
Speaker 2: but not with Swift. I completely understand where this is
Speaker 2: coming from, and I completely agree with you as well.
Speaker 3: You'll probably fight me on the last one, Bogs. It's
Speaker 3: George Pickens. Yeah, so Pickens ECR is wide receiver thirty
Speaker 3: seven in Dynasty. I actually also have him at wide
Speaker 3: receiver thirty seven, So yeah, matching rankings with ECR. But
Speaker 3: I'm conflicted here, Bogs, admittedly because I do think there's
Speaker 3: a chance Pickens does turn out to be a star.
Speaker 3: I mean, he's six ' three, he's fast, and he's
Speaker 3: freaking incredible at making contested catches.
Speaker 1: His best catching camp.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that catch over Joey Porter was just insane
Speaker 3: the other day. So he's incredible at high pointing the
Speaker 3: ball like that is his superpower. But we've discussed my
Speaker 3: concern about Pickens before Bogs. His inability to draw targets
Speaker 3: is the primary one. Just a fifteen point three percent
Speaker 3: target share last year, and he had fourteen fewer targets
Speaker 3: than Pat Fryarmouth. He didn't have more than eight targets
Speaker 3: in a game all season, and didn't have more than
Speaker 3: six targets in any game from Week six on, so
Speaker 3: that's a big concern. He was also near the bottom
Speaker 3: of the wide receiver rankings and separation according to NextGen Stats,
Speaker 3: and he only averaged two point zero yards after the catch,
Speaker 3: so basically kind of a Mike Evans in that regard.
Speaker 3: The highlight reel catches get people excited. Boggs. That went over,
Speaker 3: you know, Joey Porter. I could feel his ECR going
Speaker 3: off just after that went But man, I mean there's
Speaker 3: some underlying issues here that make me wonder about his
Speaker 3: NFL future.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think my worry about Pickens is
Speaker 2: more about the state of the Steelers offense and you know,
Speaker 2: just the questionable nature of Canny Pickett more than it.
Speaker 3: Is about Canada. It's kind of a horizontal mat.
Speaker 2: Canada is gone after this year. So, like, I don't
Speaker 2: know why, Like this is something that makes me mad
Speaker 2: here about the Steelers, Like, you know, he's not lasting
Speaker 2: after this year. That the offense would have to take
Speaker 2: a big, huge step and they're not building to do that.
Speaker 2: They're building to run the ball more, which is also
Speaker 2: not good for Pickens.
Speaker 1: Right, So.
Speaker 2: I'm more worried about the state of the Steelers offense
Speaker 2: than I am the skill set, because the skill set,
Speaker 2: like we said, all these guys aren't they're not all
Speaker 2: you know, finished products coming out of college. So his
Speaker 2: route running isn't that crisp he you know, was coming
Speaker 2: off the ACL injury. You know, there's a lot of
Speaker 2: little you know, he was immature and probably maybe still is.
Speaker 2: So there there's a lot of little underlying things with Pickens.
Speaker 2: But he he doesn't separate in man on man covers.
Speaker 2: But he doesn't have to because he goes up and
Speaker 2: he rips the ball away, and he's so fast that
Speaker 2: if you leave him a little uncovered in zone, he
Speaker 2: will blow right past you and get open deep. So
Speaker 2: I think he's only going to get better in terms
Speaker 2: of what he can do on the field. It's are
Speaker 2: the Steelers going to pay him off and send the
Speaker 2: ball his way or we're gonna keep getting these stupid
Speaker 2: ten yard ends to Deontae that he drops one hundred
Speaker 2: times a game. So you know that that is my
Speaker 2: concern for pickings. So I understand. Look, I have him
Speaker 2: at thirty. I him as a clear wide receiver three.
Speaker 2: I think his skill set could get him up, you know,
Speaker 2: anywhere really if he can make it happen, because he
Speaker 2: has the size and speed to do it. So, but
Speaker 2: he's gonna have to work at it. And there are
Speaker 2: things that he is not good at that he needs
Speaker 2: to greatly improve to become an upper echelon wide receiver.
Speaker 2: I don't know if he gets to that. So I'm
Speaker 2: gonna have him as a wide receiver three. But I
Speaker 2: don't think he can drop much farther than that, even
Speaker 2: in a run first offense. So still going to be
Speaker 2: a red zone target because of that contested catch skill,
Speaker 2: and I think that's where he's probably gonna make his
Speaker 2: living a lot like Mike Evans has. Mike Evans can
Speaker 2: do it all and he's one of the greatest. So
Speaker 2: I want to call Mike Evans, but I do think
Speaker 2: he has that type of upside.
Speaker 1: So I'm still in on picking. So was that it
Speaker 1: was that? All three?
Speaker 3: Yes, sir?
Speaker 1: All right, Well, now I gotta do my part.
Speaker 2: I don't like listen off busts here, but the first
Speaker 2: one I'm gonna make a lot of people mad. I'm
Speaker 2: gonna say Romandre Stevenson because his ECR right now is
Speaker 2: ten among running backs. I have him at sixteen and
Speaker 2: this has nothing to do with talent. Even I have
Speaker 2: to praise the sooner here for what he did for
Speaker 2: New England last year. He was outstanding. He had two
Speaker 2: hundred and seventy nine touches as a true workhorse. But
Speaker 2: to me, it does not seem like the Patriots want
Speaker 2: him in that work horse role. They are not letting
Speaker 2: him practice right now to kind of ease his workload,
Speaker 2: and he's mad about it. Beat writer asked him the
Speaker 2: other day why are you not practicing? He said, I
Speaker 2: don't know. You have to go ask Bill Belichick that.
Speaker 2: So he didn't like that they've been whining and dining
Speaker 2: for Nett and Ezekiel Elliott. They brought in James Robinson
Speaker 2: because he had had a pretty good pass as a
Speaker 2: guy that you know, could be a two hundred carry guy.
Speaker 2: Didn't like what they saw early in camp, cut him,
Speaker 2: and they brought in these other guys, which it seems
Speaker 2: like they're going to sign one of them. So to me,
Speaker 2: it's not really about Romandre Stevenson in his skill set
Speaker 2: and what he can do. It's about the fact that
Speaker 2: he's on this team until I believe twenty twenty five,
Speaker 2: and they don't seem to want to give him the
Speaker 2: same type of numbers that they did last season. Already,
Speaker 2: they may have to because Pierre Strong is as of
Speaker 2: right now and nobody in the NFL and they don't have.
Speaker 2: I mean, Time Montgomery is the other guy that's been
Speaker 2: you know, buzzy in camp and all that stuff. But
Speaker 2: how many times have we seen that story not amount
Speaker 2: to anything For Time Montgomery. It's like two good games
Speaker 2: a year and then he is back to being a
Speaker 2: special teamer. So I just think that the Patriots don't
Speaker 2: want to give him that many touches. Again, is what
Speaker 2: it looks like to me. So I think if you
Speaker 2: trade him right now or early in the season, or
Speaker 2: even if they don't bring in someone at the end
Speaker 2: of the year, I think next season they will absolutely
Speaker 2: make it a priority to draft another running back that
Speaker 2: can take touches away from Stevenson. So for me, it's
Speaker 2: not necessarily about Stevenson in his skill set, because I've
Speaker 2: always said this and I stay true in this position
Speaker 2: as well. You are a guy that can have all
Speaker 2: those carries. It's hard to take you off the field
Speaker 2: when you're the best player, right That's why CMC every
Speaker 2: single coach that has had him, we're gonna ratch it
Speaker 2: back his carries, and they never can because he's the
Speaker 2: best player on the field. Maybe Stevenson is that guy.
Speaker 2: But it looks to me like the Patriots are actively
Speaker 2: working to not give him that many carries. So that
Speaker 2: is why I would say, right now, it's possibility. Remindra,
Speaker 2: Stevenson can be a bust. What do you think about him?
Speaker 3: Agree? I believe in the talent, but I do think
Speaker 3: they seem disinclined to let him be a work course.
Speaker 3: And really the only running back during the Belichick era
Speaker 3: we've seen be a workhourse was Corey Dillon. And you know,
Speaker 3: I was starting to become optimistic last year that maybe
Speaker 3: they saw Stevenson as like a potential Corey Dillon, but
Speaker 3: you know, their actions sort of suggest not right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So that's why I'm worried about him. It has
Speaker 2: nothing to do with this skill. Calvin Ridley is my
Speaker 2: second guy here fits ECR thirty four. I'm not that
Speaker 2: much lower. I got him at forty four, so you know,
Speaker 2: we're just off. He's like a low end wide receiver three.
Speaker 2: I have him more as a wide low end wide receiver.
Speaker 3: Four.
Speaker 2: Overall, I just have a hard time trusting a guy
Speaker 2: that just missed a year and a half and I'm
Speaker 2: not even that much lower the consensus. But a hot
Speaker 2: start is going to vault his value as well. A
Speaker 2: couple of big plays. He's already had a really good
Speaker 2: catching camp is going to vault his value. Is he
Speaker 2: the best wide receiver on the Jags? Maybe, but Kirk
Speaker 2: is pretty good. Ingram had a healthy season. Etn is
Speaker 2: going to get more used in the passing game this year,
Speaker 2: and we've seen what RUSS can do to players. We
Speaker 2: saw Watson, we saw Josh Gordon come off looking rusty
Speaker 2: and not be able to put it back together. I
Speaker 2: don't think Calvin Ridley is going to have that much rust.
Speaker 2: But I don't think he's gonna be the same dude
Speaker 2: that went ninety thirteen hundred and seventy four and nine
Speaker 2: touchdowns and was wide receiver four when he had a
Speaker 2: healthy Matt Ryan in twenty twenty and a pass first offense,
Speaker 2: and his competition for touches was, you know, an injured
Speaker 2: Julio Russell, Gage Hayden Hurst and the ghost of Todd Gurley.
Speaker 2: I think Kirk, z Ingram etn are all better in
Speaker 2: skilled than the teammates he had in twenty twenty in
Speaker 2: his gigantic year. So could he get to that? I mean,
Speaker 2: the skill is in there, but there's a lot of
Speaker 2: RUSS to come from. There's a different offense, and he
Speaker 2: made a lot of his production on touchdowns, which we
Speaker 2: have Bigsby, we have Evan Ingram, and we have they
Speaker 2: haven't even let Trevor Lawrence really run yet. So for me,
Speaker 2: I think Calvin Ridley's getting all this hype. I know
Speaker 2: in redraft he's valued much higher as like a high
Speaker 2: end wide receiver.
Speaker 1: Two.
Speaker 2: I'm just not there. I can't do it. So I
Speaker 2: am selling Calvin Ridley if I have the chance right now.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just sort of agree with you on that box.
Speaker 3: I mean you stated it pretty well. Andy's gonna turn
Speaker 3: twenty nine in December, so he's basically past prime already.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's exactly what it is. So you
Speaker 2: know you're taking a gamble on him, and even though
Speaker 2: he likes gambling, you probably shouldn't that high. Rashad Bateman sings,
Speaker 2: Rashad Bateman is my last one fits not a surprise.
Speaker 2: The CCR is thirty nine. I am at fifty five.
Speaker 2: I've beaten this horse to death. But just in case
Speaker 2: you haven't heard my points, he's hurt right now. He
Speaker 2: hasn't been healthy. Yes, Tom Mankin is going to make
Speaker 2: this higher pace, the more passing. It's still a run
Speaker 2: first offense, and the pecking order of the Ravens offense
Speaker 2: is Mark Andrews, JK.
Speaker 1: Dobbins, Lamar himself, and then whoever.
Speaker 2: The wide receiver one is is that Bateman Probably not
Speaker 2: right now it's probably Za Flowers who's in camp and
Speaker 2: working on this new offense and understanding it. Odell is
Speaker 2: getting better by the day. Everyone's saying his route running,
Speaker 2: and he looks faster every single day. He's not going
Speaker 2: to be ignored very long. Bateman is sitting on the
Speaker 2: sideline on the puffs, still watching these guys pass him
Speaker 2: on the depth chart. So I'm just not investing. I'm
Speaker 2: not a Bateman guy until he gets out out of Baltimore,
Speaker 2: So I don't think.
Speaker 3: You have.
Speaker 1: There's probably not much more to say about Bateman here, right, Fitz.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I loved him as a prospect box.
Speaker 3: I really thought he had no particular weakness in his game,
Speaker 3: you know, versatility inside or outside, good hands, good route running,
Speaker 3: tough after the catch, fast, good size. But yeah, I mean,
Speaker 3: the injuries have been a problem, and you know, I
Speaker 3: worry that they're snowballing to the point where they could
Speaker 3: potentially derail his career. But I haven't entirely given up
Speaker 3: on it, Bogs, because I really did like him as
Speaker 3: a college player, and you know, I'm still optimistic that
Speaker 3: if he can finally get his body healthy, you know,
Speaker 3: he can be the guy the Ravens wanted him to
Speaker 3: be when they drafted him in the first round.
Speaker 2: Look, I'll say that that's a possibility too, but I
Speaker 2: think that it's more getting out of Baltimore and going
Speaker 2: somewhere else and resetting your career there. So you know,
Speaker 2: if you buy him at the end of this season,
Speaker 2: I think you're going to be in a good spot
Speaker 2: because I don't think he's going to perform well this year.
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