Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to this episode of The
Speaker 1: Weekly Zeitgeist.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: These are some of our favorite segments from this week,
Speaker 1: all edited together into one NonStop infotainment laugh stravaganza.
Speaker 3: Uh yeah.
Speaker 1: So, without further ado, here is the Weekly Zeitgeist. Miles,
Speaker 1: thank you. We are thrilled to be joined in our
Speaker 1: third seat by a very funny pop culture expert, one
Speaker 1: of our favorite first time guests back for the second time,
Speaker 1: one of your favorite first time guests. Also a restaurant expert,
Speaker 1: a restaurant food critic, yes, apparently a s'mores expert who
Speaker 1: hosts the show Black People of Paramore. It's a coil.
Speaker 3: Welcome. I'm still having me such a.
Speaker 2: Have you.
Speaker 3: I was just saying off Mike before, I was like,
Speaker 3: I love your Drake based restaurant reviews where you take
Speaker 3: a Drake lyric and then you hunt down like the
Speaker 3: restaurant and dish or you know, you try to have
Speaker 3: the meal comparable. And I'm like I said, for people
Speaker 3: who are like you know, there's a lot of hype
Speaker 3: restaurants to get dropped in these Drake tracks. Let's the coil.
Speaker 3: You do the exploring for you so you don't have
Speaker 3: to take a potential expensive l at a nice restaurant,
Speaker 3: so I'll take yeah, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 1: Do you tuck your napkin when you're eating there? Do
Speaker 1: you tug your napkin in your shirt?
Speaker 4: Because you know, I really do consider tug my nap
Speaker 4: in my shirt because I'm just moumping like yeah, my
Speaker 4: boy first said so, I was like, oh, you.
Speaker 3: Know, you know you go to those steakhouses that have
Speaker 3: like the button slit in the napkin for like for
Speaker 3: you to play. That's when I was like, oh, okay.
Speaker 3: That's when I was like, there's there are levels even
Speaker 3: the napkins. Yeah. Absolutely, yeah, Like and I was like, damn,
Speaker 3: I got up in here with a T shirt and
Speaker 3: maybe I'll have a little bit of a button I
Speaker 3: can next time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, do you so what kind of It's only Drake based.
Speaker 4: Thus far, but take a lyric, go to the restaurant
Speaker 4: the Drake name drops and great his taste so far
Speaker 4: he has decent taste, you know, but I don't expand
Speaker 4: other rappers also, do you know restaurant stuff?
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, Like ghost Face will say a lot of
Speaker 3: food rhymes, but they're really not attached in a coherent
Speaker 3: way to a restaurant, because it'll be like, you know,
Speaker 3: Linguini off the boot sole and you're like, huh, where's that?
Speaker 3: Thank you?
Speaker 1: Yeah, you mentioned the cheesecake factory. One of I think
Speaker 1: the greatest thing American culture has has yet created is
Speaker 1: the cheesecake factory.
Speaker 3: Hip Hop you go, cheesecake Factory, Jazz hip hop, Jazz
Speaker 3: hip hop, cheesecake Factory top tier.
Speaker 1: There's tears.
Speaker 3: Oh so jazz hip hop, cheesecake Factory are in that
Speaker 3: top tier.
Speaker 1: The first three things. I'm pretty sure ken Burns has
Speaker 1: a documentary that Ken Burns Cheesecake Factory documentary. But that's
Speaker 1: where I wanted to go for my birth I recently
Speaker 1: had a birthday. I wanted to go there, but it
Speaker 1: didn't work out because we were also seeing Oppenheimer. So
Speaker 1: I saw I went to a local place, the California
Speaker 1: Pizza Kitchen. Oh yeah, the Californians LA people will know
Speaker 1: all about that. It's a little local haunt. Else Man,
Speaker 1: we had one of the best dining experiences I can remember.
Speaker 3: It was so good. Wait, what about R what about CPK,
Speaker 3: R h CPK what happened? What? Oh?
Speaker 1: It was? I just had I have my standard tie
Speaker 1: peanut chicken thie chicken peanuts pizza. They also have like
Speaker 1: a bacon avocado egg roll that.
Speaker 3: Is so like bacon that when a cheesecake factory too. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm sure it's like just copied.
Speaker 1: I think Chili's also has one that's very similar.
Speaker 3: They call them like Southwest egg rolls or something, and
Speaker 3: you're like, fine, let's good.
Speaker 1: They kept the diet cokes coming. You know, it's just
Speaker 1: right under it. Chin Restaurants truly.
Speaker 3: What's them? What's your favorite chain restaurant?
Speaker 1: I Lovezkis.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you go next per It sounded like when I
Speaker 3: when when Her Majesty told me she never saw a
Speaker 3: city of God or kill bill.
Speaker 4: You.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's anything for the pazuki. If you want to
Speaker 3: have a perfect Burbank day, you know, spend some time
Speaker 3: at I get lunch at Ikea, and then and maybe
Speaker 3: catch a movie if you'd look. If you're feeling spicy,
Speaker 3: hit the Islands if you're but if not, go to
Speaker 3: b Jas yes where the good times are all Speaking
Speaker 3: to my childhood. That was like, I know you're from
Speaker 3: l A. Oh okay, yeah yeah, but you know you
Speaker 3: got to have those balance of things. Those are like
Speaker 3: the goaded chain places. For me for sure, that's it
Speaker 3: Islands forever, Islands Forever. That is one that I know.
Speaker 3: I don't think it's that national island.
Speaker 4: I don't think it's you gotta get the little calivin Islands,
Speaker 4: get the.
Speaker 3: Shake, yeah exactly, the yaki, the chicken tacos is what
Speaker 3: I get, not the burger. Not a big burger guy
Speaker 3: when I go there, you know me, No, exactly, gotta
Speaker 3: have those, gotta have the gotta have cheese fries. You
Speaker 3: gotta have my grilled chicken tacos. But I take the
Speaker 3: pineapple out anyway. That's my order.
Speaker 1: And that there they think they're a burger spot, but
Speaker 1: they're like that, that's not what people actually go there.
Speaker 3: For now.
Speaker 1: I've never heard anyone be like, you gotta have the
Speaker 1: burger at Islands. But there's like a number of items
Speaker 1: that people really swear by. Oh yeah, they have like
Speaker 1: some mixed drink that is like supposed to be really
Speaker 1: good there.
Speaker 3: Their drinks are really good over yeah. And and those
Speaker 3: NonStop surf videos on loop Okay, what's that? Ignore me
Speaker 3: I just said. And those NonStop like nineties surf videos.
Speaker 3: They just have one loop by the oldest very but yeah,
Speaker 3: go ahead, put it on loop.
Speaker 1: What is something from your search history?
Speaker 5: Okay, so my search history that I from ted A
Speaker 5: is I googled inventor of the wheelchair and his name
Speaker 5: is stephone or probably Steven Farflir, and I googled him
Speaker 5: because I wanted to write an inappropriate joke about how
Speaker 5: I believe that the inventor of the wheelchair just really
Speaker 5: wanted some pussy and then that's how the wheelchair was invented.
Speaker 5: And I tweeted it out, and then I was like, oh,
Speaker 5: let me Actually, before I tweeted out, I should say
Speaker 5: I looked up who invented the wheelchair? Because I was like, man,
Speaker 5: I already know somebody's gonna be met everybody. The thing
Speaker 5: about comedy and writing jokes is that you can see
Speaker 5: now how people are going to be offended. And I
Speaker 5: was like, oh, I got to be prepared for someone
Speaker 5: being like, how do you know then invented? And it's like, oh,
Speaker 5: I don't. I don't think that the person who's credited
Speaker 5: for inventing the wheelchair is the person who invented the wheelchair.
Speaker 5: You know, I'm sure there was like some fucking ancient
Speaker 5: indigenous motherfucker who invettered that shit that will never get
Speaker 5: the credit for it. That's the truth of the matter.
Speaker 5: But I like, you always have to be prepared, and
Speaker 5: I hate that.
Speaker 3: So that's a really good way to know me.
Speaker 5: I fucking hate that our crowds have gotten so like
Speaker 5: PC that everything has to be worded so perfectly, and
Speaker 5: it's like, that's not how comedy works, guys, Like it's
Speaker 5: just me making a fucking joke about how thirsty men are,
Speaker 5: and people are like, that's not historically the good.
Speaker 3: Guy, right, It's like, can you focus on some actual
Speaker 3: problematic comedy. It'll come at me for like presuming the
Speaker 3: gender or identity of the person who made the wheelchair,
Speaker 3: because I'm trying to make you laugh by saying wheelchair
Speaker 3: was invented by a horny guy. That's the distillation, and
Speaker 3: y'all not fucking with that exactly. So that's a little
Speaker 3: about me. Look, I'm at my comedy set up made
Speaker 3: me laugh, so I'm fucking with it.
Speaker 1: It's is your presents that the inventor needed a wheelchair
Speaker 1: to get to the pussy or the the inventor was
Speaker 1: just trying to okay.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, like he was at home.
Speaker 5: He's like, man, that Susie told me, I could get
Speaker 5: it if I could just get to her.
Speaker 3: But my legs don't work. Get this, and I can't
Speaker 3: have my dad carry me again exactly.
Speaker 5: All that rubble that he has to fucking drag me through,
Speaker 5: like yo, he he that's desperation. That's innovation via desperation,
Speaker 5: which we all know is how the best ship is
Speaker 5: invented us through.
Speaker 3: Oh yeahsation. Yeah, those are like the two pillars of
Speaker 3: pure creation.
Speaker 1: Poppenheimer anything you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, pussy Poppenheimer.
Speaker 1: I need to become Death, the destroyer of worlds, he
Speaker 1: said as he had sex for the first time.
Speaker 5: Jack, did you get enough sleep last night? Why you
Speaker 5: seem really like you don't want to be here with
Speaker 5: me today today?
Speaker 1: Am I wagging?
Speaker 6: Uh?
Speaker 3: I think you're lacking is the real word. She wants
Speaker 3: you a little bit of a little bit brighter, Jack,
Speaker 3: She's taking it.
Speaker 5: I need you, Jack, I need you. I can't be
Speaker 5: mean to you when you seem a little down in
Speaker 5: the dumps.
Speaker 3: What I get a good nice seep? Yeah?
Speaker 7: Oh?
Speaker 3: Did you have a nice breakfast? What did you have
Speaker 3: for breakfast, Jack.
Speaker 1: Three eggs and an English muffin. That's pretty good.
Speaker 3: That's good. Damn.
Speaker 7: Like we both are like, oh ship three eggs, two,
Speaker 7: you get to workout. I think I'm just trying to
Speaker 7: loosen you up.
Speaker 1: Jack, Okay, okay, because I was in the middle of
Speaker 1: a sentence and I did.
Speaker 5: I don't give up. I can ask about how you're
Speaker 5: doing anytime.
Speaker 3: Because Marcella, you were lagged. You were lagging on the car,
Speaker 3: so like when so when Jack started talking to it
Speaker 3: seemed like you had nothing to say and then you say,
Speaker 3: I'm like, are you okay?
Speaker 8: Jack?
Speaker 3: Like it was like some so I love hit. What
Speaker 3: is what something you think is overridden? What do I
Speaker 3: think is overrated?
Speaker 9: I think not voting is overrated.
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, not voting.
Speaker 9: Here's what's going to happen here.
Speaker 6: People are not going to vote because they think it's
Speaker 6: a waste of time. But it turns out that I,
Speaker 6: as a person who ran for office just now and
Speaker 6: lost by a number of votes, if I had gotten
Speaker 6: more votes, I would have won.
Speaker 3: Right, So it.
Speaker 6: Turns out voting is very important. No matter what fucking
Speaker 6: Republicans say about it. That's still how we're doing it.
Speaker 6: That's how it's done, and that's why they're saying it's fake,
Speaker 6: and that's why they spend all their money. It's the
Speaker 6: only thing we have, it's the only real thing. And
Speaker 6: I'm very susceptible to this shit. You hear enough people
Speaker 6: on TV talking about something being fake, it can't help
Speaker 6: but make even the smartest person go, maybe it's fake,
Speaker 6: Maybe it's fake.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's just.
Speaker 9: The power of TV.
Speaker 6: I mean, everybody you grew up with TV being somewhat
Speaker 6: believable or you know, depending on you know, how deep
Speaker 6: you want to go with that. But you know, originally
Speaker 6: the TV was pretty straightforward. The news was maybe close
Speaker 6: to being real, like they were just like, you know,
Speaker 6: I don't know everybody in the I don't know what
Speaker 6: they did back then, what the news was, but you know,
Speaker 6: it was like sort of connected to what was really
Speaker 6: happening because there were two parties that were sort of
Speaker 6: still functioning because they had to be in they had
Speaker 6: to be doing they were we were on our way
Speaker 6: to monopoly. We were on our way back then. We
Speaker 6: were just baby companies merging. So there was still enough
Speaker 6: companies that it was like there was some legislation to
Speaker 6: be done, like they had to figure out ways to
Speaker 6: get these mergers in motion. It turns out for the
Speaker 6: last fifty years, all they've been doing is just merging
Speaker 6: and merging and merging until now there's no need for
Speaker 6: policies because there's only like one company, so they don't
Speaker 6: care about it. There's no you don't have to maneuver anymore.
Speaker 6: Now it's just about tax.
Speaker 3: Avoidance, right.
Speaker 6: So, but for a long time, America had a bunch
Speaker 6: of little companies and they were they needed like, uh,
Speaker 6: they were kind of competing like it's supposed to be.
Speaker 6: And then and then when there's competition, then there's different opinions,
Speaker 6: and then you need real legislators. But you know, now
Speaker 6: we just have like these stunt legislators. Legislators, but you
Speaker 6: have to I I'm just saying I got thirteen thousand votes.
Speaker 6: I mean, this is all silly. I don't know why
Speaker 6: I'm talking about. I should have been I should be
Speaker 6: I should be happy. I'm just in shock a little bit.
Speaker 6: I just ran this campaign. I got signs of my
Speaker 6: name on them, and running around town. You know, I'm
Speaker 6: telling everybody that it's the end of the world, and
Speaker 6: and and and they're and they're excited to hear it
Speaker 6: because they're sick of hearing the bullshit. So it was
Speaker 6: a great experience. And I'm not it's not the end
Speaker 6: of the world. It's not the world is not gonna end.
Speaker 6: We're just gonna end up in a bad spot. You know,
Speaker 6: We're gonna end up in a really hot, hot bad spot.
Speaker 6: And I'm in hot like heat, like regular sun. Yeah,
Speaker 6: we're just gonna end up in a Yeah, We're gonna
Speaker 6: end up in a bad spot, and then it's gonna
Speaker 6: restart and some other kind of people, you know, bug
Speaker 6: people or whoever, are gonna merge from the sludge. So
Speaker 6: it's like we're gonna we're just fucking ourselves over by
Speaker 6: not voting. So I'm just saying, go fucking vote because
Speaker 6: the people who vote this is absurd what I'm saying.
Speaker 6: But I just want to say that I got thirteen
Speaker 6: thousand votes. Yeah, and if I'd gotten twenty thousand, I
Speaker 6: would have been in. And if I'd gotten like a
Speaker 6: few thousand more, I would have made the runoff. They
Speaker 6: were they're so My position I was running for counsel
Speaker 6: or council at large, was like, you know, it was
Speaker 6: like fifteen twenty people running, so it's like the votes
Speaker 6: get divided up a lot, like thirteen thousand.
Speaker 9: Is really good.
Speaker 3: But yeah, it was spread spread out so much.
Speaker 6: But thirteen thousand people voting for me as a first
Speaker 6: time candidate was an incredible compliment, and I actually started
Speaker 6: to really want to win because I realized I was qualified. Also,
Speaker 6: if you want to run for office, you are qualified.
Speaker 6: I will tell you right now.
Speaker 3: And I know that now.
Speaker 6: In fact, now I suspected it, but now I know
Speaker 6: it for a fact.
Speaker 9: If you're a nice person, if you're an honest person,
Speaker 9: that's two things that most people aren't in that space, So.
Speaker 3: Go for it.
Speaker 1: Surely you had to like get hired by the Democratic
Speaker 1: Party and jump through all sorts of hoops to what
Speaker 1: was the process from going from I'm not a I'm
Speaker 1: not a political candidate to I am that people can
Speaker 1: vote for. What was that like?
Speaker 6: Well, I just I just I went and spoke at
Speaker 6: that stadium hearing because the because the city of Nashville
Speaker 6: and now the city of Buffalo, New York did the
Speaker 6: same thing, or the you know, New York State did
Speaker 6: it for the buff You know, they give all the
Speaker 6: tax money to the NFL, because the NFL says, if
Speaker 6: they don't get their stadium paid for, even though they
Speaker 6: could pay for the stadium and still have massive profits,
Speaker 6: they could pay for a ton of stadiums, but they
Speaker 6: just know that the promise of vague promise of economic growth,
Speaker 6: and also just the fact that people like you know,
Speaker 6: in a dystopia, people will do anything to keep a
Speaker 6: football team. It's their only joy, right, you know, So
Speaker 6: they've got this, They've got people over a barrel. I mean,
Speaker 6: your average person is like, I don't want to lose
Speaker 6: my football team. Then we got nothing, even though they should,
Speaker 6: your average person should say fuck off football team. Yeah,
Speaker 6: and let's use that money for a decent for decent
Speaker 6: bus stops, you.
Speaker 3: Know, or whatever, a bus stop that has a roof on.
Speaker 6: It so you don't sit in the sun while you
Speaker 6: wait for a bus and a bunch of weeds like
Speaker 6: in Nashville, and humiliated bus stops. Bus stops in Nashville
Speaker 6: are fucking humiliating, humiliating because they're meant to be.
Speaker 3: That say, oh, this person's riding the bus. Okay, yes,
Speaker 3: I mean if you are, there's that guy.
Speaker 6: No, you live in a in a functioning society in
Speaker 6: Los Angeles. I mean, it's not perfect, but you got
Speaker 6: to come to Nashville and find out what them you
Speaker 6: gotta find out. You gotta come to Nashville and find
Speaker 6: yourself in a pothole that you're like peering over.
Speaker 3: The side of. You know. Anyway, it's Nashville is a whole.
Speaker 6: Other level of of of idiot, like just just corrupt
Speaker 6: and no no services because.
Speaker 9: There's no taxes. There's the other thing I guess, I
Speaker 9: guess I'll say overrated. This is underrated is taxes.
Speaker 6: Hey, guess what it turns out if you don't pay
Speaker 6: any taxes, there's no money for anything. There's no money
Speaker 6: to do anything. It's taxes are not fake. Elections are
Speaker 6: not fake. We have to get on board with this.
Speaker 6: And I'm reporting from.
Speaker 3: Inside the shark. Inside the shark, it's.
Speaker 9: Full of sad people waiting for doctor visits. It's a
Speaker 9: shark full of lottery tickets.
Speaker 3: And I'm crazy.
Speaker 9: I'm just doing some poetry now.
Speaker 10: Beautiful lottery tickets is America, and America.
Speaker 6: Is a it's a flapping flavorless Sorry that was just
Speaker 6: there's more poetry.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, got alliteration. Yeah.
Speaker 6: So, so anyway that the thing is all you have
Speaker 6: to do to run is you file some paperwork and
Speaker 6: and and I just decided I was going to run.
Speaker 6: I went down to the election Commission, you get like
Speaker 6: fifty seventy five signatures or whatever it is, and then
Speaker 6: you're on the ballot. And then you then you start
Speaker 6: an Act Blue account, which is a well, if you're progressive,
Speaker 6: that's the progressive like yeah, money hoovering aggressive. I hate
Speaker 6: that expression. It's like, I just hate all the They
Speaker 6: should just say normal progressive is normal.
Speaker 9: Or hateful and the others like hate group.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's only two. Yeah forwards do you like human rights? Yeah?
Speaker 6: Or backwards or forwards or violence or no violence, those
Speaker 6: are better names for these parties.
Speaker 1: Yeah so yeah.
Speaker 3: So Chris, I just I like how you said, how
Speaker 3: you went from being like I don't know if I
Speaker 3: can do this shit too very much like no, you
Speaker 3: have to. And I know this happens a lot like
Speaker 3: when you enter, like in politics, because there's this fucking
Speaker 3: mythological presence around what it means to run for office
Speaker 3: or the kind of people that run for office. What
Speaker 3: was that moment when you went, oh shit, it's all
Speaker 3: everyone's a fucking joker in here.
Speaker 9: The first time I went.
Speaker 6: To a mayoral forum, my friend Lizzie Cooperman.
Speaker 9: You guys know, Lizzie Cooperman, just like, are you gonna
Speaker 9: be saying may or all like?
Speaker 3: As much?
Speaker 6: You keep saying like you say mayor all like? I
Speaker 6: don't know if I can be friends with you. You're
Speaker 6: gonna say mayoral this much? Yea, she has a good point,
Speaker 6: But for the purposes of this show, I have to
Speaker 6: say it.
Speaker 2: May oral moor or.
Speaker 6: Mayoral forums are where the candidates from mayor here in
Speaker 6: Nashville get together and are asked questions. And I, once
Speaker 6: I got in the race, I had to start going
Speaker 6: to these events just to make myself known. You have
Speaker 6: to become a known quantity to these people. And I
Speaker 6: had some head start with that because of the Vice
Speaker 6: column and the book so people in this town and
Speaker 6: also just like you know, my previous life is as
Speaker 6: a person who just you know, be a rock bunk rock,
Speaker 6: dirty ship person, whatever.
Speaker 3: Person.
Speaker 6: Yeah, crazy person, crazy guy, Oh bunk rock. Oh he's rude.
Speaker 6: Oh he's rude and crazy. And that's how you revolt
Speaker 6: by being drunk as fuck. I'm anheuser Bush products.
Speaker 10: That's revolution is being asleep all the time with like
Speaker 10: four cigarettes in your mouth. That's how you fight the system.
Speaker 1: Somebody's kind of impressive.
Speaker 10: Sleep on the floor with a cigarette in your ass,
Speaker 10: that's revolution.
Speaker 6: No, So like that that was the old self where
Speaker 6: I thought revolution was accomplished by being belligerent and burning bridges,
Speaker 6: Like that's the funniest thing is you have to build bridges.
Speaker 6: Revolution is building bridges, not burning.
Speaker 1: Them with tax dollars.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Wait, so what happened at the mayoral form This
Speaker 3: show is gonna be rough.
Speaker 9: It's my fault too, that's wall I drank.
Speaker 3: We're the hosts and you're the guest. I drank.
Speaker 9: I drank a lot of it.
Speaker 3: I just did it. And now I saw you looking
Speaker 3: down the barrel of that cup when you were drinking
Speaker 3: the cold grew. I was like, this guy is saying,
Speaker 3: like stars like he's going to speed.
Speaker 6: It's not necessarily the best thing to do a level
Speaker 6: headed political conversation when you're drank colbrew at the same time.
Speaker 6: So the mayoral forum, I was just like, oh my god.
Speaker 6: There were like fifteen people up there. Some of them
Speaker 6: were like completely nuts, like absolutely nuts, you know, and
Speaker 6: and then some were like had zero charisma, and and
Speaker 6: then they were like two that like one that knew
Speaker 6: a lot of stuff, uh, and.
Speaker 3: And then and that.
Speaker 6: But I mean it was not I was immediately like
Speaker 6: my first thought was, you guys, was why the hell am.
Speaker 1: I running for city council?
Speaker 9: Why aren't I running for mayor?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 6: Like, far from being far from being intimidated, I was
Speaker 6: just like, this is what we're choosing from. And that's
Speaker 6: when you get into these people are to run for mayor,
Speaker 6: you need a significant amount of money, and people are
Speaker 6: not investing in like bold independent people.
Speaker 3: You know what I mean.
Speaker 9: People are they're they're they are.
Speaker 6: They want their candidate to be the kind of person
Speaker 6: who has no friends, because then you give them one
Speaker 6: cigar and it's the greatest experience this candidate's ever had
Speaker 6: in his life, you know.
Speaker 2: What I mean.
Speaker 6: The one golf around, one one golf club that has
Speaker 6: his name engraved on it.
Speaker 3: And he's there.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you can pull them the wildlife Refuge.
Speaker 9: Oh my god, no one's ever given me a gift before.
Speaker 6: This is the first time I've been in a room
Speaker 6: with more than four people in it.
Speaker 3: Did people come to you. Did did anybody?
Speaker 1: I'd imagine you're pretty clear that you're not like a
Speaker 1: party man, But did you get a by any like
Speaker 1: political operatives insiders?
Speaker 6: Yes, just a little bit, But I mean I'm not
Speaker 6: I don't have enough power at this. I mean I
Speaker 6: wasn't enough of a known quantity to really get bothered.
Speaker 6: So I just got like people who are some some
Speaker 6: billionaire startup thing that's trying to get you to use
Speaker 6: their app. And those guys that were working for were okay,
Speaker 6: and they were trying I think maybe they were trying
Speaker 6: to do the right thing, but I was just like,
Speaker 6: this sounds like they're like our our billionaire benefactor is
Speaker 6: just sick of politics the way they are, and it's
Speaker 6: like already.
Speaker 9: I'm just like, yeah, that's not a real thing.
Speaker 6: Billionaires don't care about anything, so that are already out.
Speaker 3: And then you're like, you know, I'm not a white supremacist, right,
Speaker 3: They're like, oh, oh okay, sorry, sorry, so never mind,
Speaker 3: sorry sorry. I actually think.
Speaker 6: These were nice people. I think they thought that they're
Speaker 6: billionaire overlord. Actually was like a guy who's had it
Speaker 6: with partisan politics, Like I don't.
Speaker 3: This is happening in entertainment too, where I've heard tell
Speaker 3: now like a few billionaire like scion types who have
Speaker 3: all this money because their parents fucked up business, and
Speaker 3: like they want to subvert that, like with their billions
Speaker 3: of dollars, but they kind of don't know where to start.
Speaker 3: And it is a little interesting thing where you see
Speaker 3: these people like, look, I know I have like this
Speaker 3: money comes from fucking death ships, but yeah, I want
Speaker 3: to make sure Trump isn't president and make some cool
Speaker 3: stuff along the way. So I feel like you can
Speaker 3: you definitely there there is that kind of like billionaire
Speaker 3: with with a form like a very infant or a
Speaker 3: very newborn form of consciousness coming online.
Speaker 6: Might be Yeah, yeah, I'm so unsympathetic to those people,
Speaker 6: Like I can't even believe, you know, I no sympathy.
Speaker 3: Oh your empires.
Speaker 6: You're finally realizing, like, oh, you're coming to some you know,
Speaker 6: you're starting to you know, understand the the you know,
Speaker 6: and like you're just gonna give a little bit of
Speaker 6: your give all your money back, then give it all back,
Speaker 6: give it all the fucking go, go go start the
Speaker 6: world's largest food pantry.
Speaker 9: You had to throw away all your money, Get ready
Speaker 9: to you know, get out of here.
Speaker 3: I'm starting to feel like maybe fuck off.
Speaker 6: So you know, I'm not I'm not interested in slowly
Speaker 6: waking up billionaires.
Speaker 3: No, no, no, I'm a sleepy eyed Oh.
Speaker 6: I think maybe we did bad things, like fuck you
Speaker 6: you fucking oh.
Speaker 9: Maybe maybe playing polo is not helpful. Maybe playing polo
Speaker 9: in Dubai is actually quite shallow.
Speaker 6: So I I got the I got the certification. I
Speaker 6: went and I did the signatures, and then I started
Speaker 6: my bank account. I had to file a little bit
Speaker 6: of paperwork, which is a pain in the ass. I
Speaker 6: mean it was like a bunch of stuff I didn't
Speaker 6: want to do, certainly. I mean like there was some
Speaker 6: paperwork that almost drove me insane, like me uploading uploading
Speaker 6: a fucking spreadsheet into a portal, right, I mean that
Speaker 6: was like, I mean, for someone who's fifty four years old,
Speaker 6: that's like, you know, why don't you just fucking jump
Speaker 6: out the fucking windows.
Speaker 9: This is the worst thing I've ever seen in my life.
Speaker 9: And that was excruciating.
Speaker 3: Yeah, hold on, hold that thought.
Speaker 1: We're gonna take a quick break, we're gonna come back
Speaker 1: and talk about spreadsheets. Back, and we're back, and I
Speaker 1: gotta say, like, so, you know, I've read read the
Speaker 1: news for for this, for this job, but to this
Speaker 1: point my and not really. You know, you folks can
Speaker 1: tell I'm just I'm skimming here and there. But in
Speaker 1: terms of like my fiction intake, the climate change fiction
Speaker 1: that I've taken in over the course of my life
Speaker 1: has mainly been mad the Mad Max is, Yeah, all
Speaker 1: the Mad Max films, water World, huh, the Day after Tomorrow?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yep.
Speaker 1: And I think that's like, yeah, I mean twenty twelve.
Speaker 1: I think du like seems like it should be a
Speaker 1: climate change parable, but it's actually it goes out of
Speaker 1: its way to say that it's like something weird happening
Speaker 1: with a core of the Earth.
Speaker 3: Yeah, new neutrinos jack from a solar flare obviously are
Speaker 3: doing something in a core or something. But it's also
Speaker 3: twenty twelve mins new that shit. So it was a
Speaker 3: spooky year. Yeah, dude, did you did you buy in?
Speaker 3: Did you even party you think about twenty twelve?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: We I mean a cracked We definitely covered the bullshit,
Speaker 1: but we I did not.
Speaker 3: I didn't. I didn't believe. It was not hard to me.
Speaker 3: I remember in two thousand and nine I started thinking
Speaker 3: about it. Oh yeah, A look is like damn, I'm
Speaker 3: twenty five, Like what can I get done? Like can
Speaker 3: I make my mom proud through twenty twelve? Because right
Speaker 3: now I'm like living with her and like just eating
Speaker 3: all her food and shit, like going to get a
Speaker 3: job in the recession, Like please, what do I do?
Speaker 3: But yeah, it was.
Speaker 1: Scariest of all years. There were those Mitt Romney videos.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, but I.
Speaker 1: Don't know the solutions of those films, and in just
Speaker 1: like the popular imagination to a large degree, seems to
Speaker 1: be everyone's gonna die and then you're left behind because
Speaker 1: you're the main character of the story to kill or
Speaker 1: be killed. I think the Day after Tomorrow. I remember
Speaker 1: ending with people like on the space station looking at
Speaker 1: the globe and the US is like mostly frozen ice. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then they're like, yeah, but the air never looked
Speaker 1: so clean. It's like that's the earth healing itself, killing
Speaker 1: us all off.
Speaker 3: So just yeah, just put just freezing North America is
Speaker 3: the solution. I mean, fine, if so be it, I guess, yeah,
Speaker 3: do you have anything else to offer.
Speaker 1: Us that does seem to be like sort of stylish
Speaker 1: Nehilism seems to be the way that is, at least
Speaker 1: I think I default approached climate change until like we
Speaker 1: really started digging into.
Speaker 3: It, right, because like books like Man are not books,
Speaker 3: you know, novels like water World. Again, the novelization, very
Speaker 3: fucking water World fucked me up so bad as a kid,
Speaker 3: like fucked me up because when din't they come out
Speaker 3: like ninety four or some shit. I'm like ten years old.
Speaker 3: I went to see that the Magic Johnson Theater with
Speaker 3: my grandfather and he was like, wow, He's like that's
Speaker 3: I was like, what a movie hunt? And I was
Speaker 3: like shaken to my core as it can really yeah,
Speaker 3: And I was like.
Speaker 1: Because you were like, this is how we're going to
Speaker 1: be living, and.
Speaker 3: Well, the logic made sense because like you knew about
Speaker 3: like the earth heating up and pollution and things at
Speaker 3: the time. Right now, we have just celebrated getting rid
Speaker 3: of styrofoam, I remember, and like CFC's and shit, and
Speaker 3: but like but the logic, path of earth become warm
Speaker 3: ice cap ice melt, therefore the water everywhere visa v Yeah.
Speaker 3: And I was a bad swimmer. I was a weak swimmer,
Speaker 3: Like I was a terrible swimmer. So there was nothing
Speaker 3: more terrifying than a world where everything was someone's pool
Speaker 3: party where I sucked at swimming. Yeah you know what
Speaker 3: I mean. Yeah, And so like there were multiple layers
Speaker 3: to it, and again that shit didn't really offer you
Speaker 3: any solutions side from like maybe you could find this
Speaker 3: map to find a fucking hidden island you could fucking
Speaker 3: live on or some shit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it was like you're gonna have to wear
Speaker 1: a T shirt to cover your weird chest hair because
Speaker 1: it's a pool.
Speaker 3: Party exactly, and I think the kids aren't ready to
Speaker 3: really accept that yet or your three hairs you have
Speaker 3: on your armpit.
Speaker 1: My chest hair grew in. I still have a weird
Speaker 1: patch of chest hair, but it grew in asymmetrically.
Speaker 3: What do you mean, Like it favored one side of your.
Speaker 1: Chest favored one side and was very like it wasn't
Speaker 1: like a small amount came at a time. It was like, Bam,
Speaker 1: there's a weird patch of hair. Like I was just
Speaker 1: like one tenth of my chest was werewolf right away,
Speaker 1: no way, yeah yeah, and just like ca down like
Speaker 1: the left chestor guy the way you had to wait
Speaker 1: so so ah, so you were you were rocking you
Speaker 1: were rocking the shirt in the pool kind of thing.
Speaker 3: Sweatshirt in the pool.
Speaker 11: No sweatshirt, No, but but yeah, that that was a
Speaker 11: thought that crossed my mind.
Speaker 3: Yeah. If that's if that's water World, then that's your
Speaker 3: your cross the bear too. But but yeah, no, I
Speaker 3: think all that to say is like, so from time immemorial,
Speaker 3: my concept of climate change is literally skip any anything
Speaker 3: in the middle. It's just jumped to the like Earth death,
Speaker 3: where like I'm holding the dust that was once my family.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it ignores like what the reality of the
Speaker 1: next you know, forty years is probably going to look like. So,
Speaker 1: so the goal of the Ministry for the Future is
Speaker 1: to imagine like the time between now and you know
Speaker 1: when it's it's like people describe it as like utopian,
Speaker 1: but millions of people like die from climate change, which
Speaker 1: it seems like might be inevitable, But it's describes a
Speaker 1: possibility of like humanity changing the way that we live
Speaker 1: on the earth to actually like have a chance. And
Speaker 1: it's very I don't know, I kept waiting for it
Speaker 1: to like have like a plot twist or something where
Speaker 1: it's like and actually I was the one blowing up
Speaker 1: those planes because and instead it's just very it's kind
Speaker 1: of hyper like it feels like his goal the whole
Speaker 1: time is just like keep it realistic, and this is
Speaker 1: like the main character is a bureaucrat and you are
Speaker 1: just like kind of working through it. And it's I
Speaker 1: read a review that said it it's interesting in the
Speaker 1: way that like the map of your hotel room floor
Speaker 1: becomes interesting when someone pulls the fire alarm, Like you
Speaker 1: are just like, okay, well this this is certainly relevant
Speaker 1: to me. Now. It's not like I'm not saying it's bad.
Speaker 1: It's definitely worth reading. But it's like it really delves
Speaker 1: into like there's long passages that there's just meetings with
Speaker 1: like finance people and stuff and like talking about how
Speaker 1: you would make this shit possible, but.
Speaker 3: Gives you a much more vivid, you know, idea of
Speaker 3: of like what potentially is is the work or the
Speaker 3: processes that we're going to undertake, rather than like, because
Speaker 3: I feel so much of what we're experiencing right now
Speaker 3: is just to be like, so are we ever going
Speaker 3: to get off fossil fuels?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: And then we kind of feel really fucking just destitute
Speaker 3: and downtrodden and like you know, hopeless because of just
Speaker 3: like focusing on one part when this is like a
Speaker 3: multifaceted issue with many ways to approach it to solve it.
Speaker 3: And I think that's what that's why I appreciate works
Speaker 3: like that that can kind of break our minds out
Speaker 3: a little bit of that like pattern of thought.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I truly just have a very difficult time imagining
Speaker 1: an end of capitalism because I like it's a quote,
Speaker 1: like it's been associated with the author of this book,
Speaker 1: He's not the one who said it, and like when
Speaker 1: I've heard him interviewed about it, he's like, I don't
Speaker 1: I don't like that quote anymore. But like it's easier
Speaker 1: to imagine the end of the world than the end
Speaker 1: of capitalism. For me, that rings true, Like I just couldn't. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And therefore every solution that like comes up, I'm like,
Speaker 1: but corporations are just gonna like fuck that out of existence,
Speaker 1: Like if you like any anything like that is just
Speaker 1: going to get ruined by us. And I think one
Speaker 1: of the things that I learned in reading this book
Speaker 1: is that it's hard to imagine the next forty years
Speaker 1: from inside the United States, and like especially from inside
Speaker 1: like if you pay a lot of attention to the
Speaker 1: United States zeitgeist, like it is, it has not been
Speaker 1: leading us in a direction that would suggest like that
Speaker 1: these things are possible, right that we're going to be
Speaker 1: talking about. So I don't know, let's let's dive in.
Speaker 1: I mean, the first big question. The book suggests that,
Speaker 1: like the radicalizing event that will bring about this sort
Speaker 1: of global zeitgeist change is that India sees a heat
Speaker 1: wave that kills like five million people. Like it's the
Speaker 1: there's a certain point at which if the humidity is
Speaker 1: high enough and the heat is high enough, your body
Speaker 1: just can't cope, Like the human body can't cope. And
Speaker 1: so like it seems like if things don't change, this
Speaker 1: is something that's somewhat inevitable. And this radicalizes India as
Speaker 1: a country and they start doing some of the things
Speaker 1: that have been like sort of controversial ideas that people
Speaker 1: have put out there, like you know, putting reflective material
Speaker 1: in the upper atmosphere to reflect to like basically dim
Speaker 1: the sun that we did miss snow piercer as anos
Speaker 1: another cheerful look at how we might address climate change.
Speaker 1: But they call it in the book like a double Pinatubo,
Speaker 1: because Pentatubo was the volcanic eruption that most recently like
Speaker 1: significantly altered the temperature globally for a period of time
Speaker 1: like I think a year or two, and so like
Speaker 1: the people of India drop like a double penitubo on
Speaker 1: the rest of our asses over the objection from the
Speaker 1: un And it's temporary, but it like you know, it's
Speaker 1: the first thing that changes people and starts getting people
Speaker 1: motivated to all right, how are we going to deal
Speaker 1: with this? We need like.
Speaker 3: Because that can never happen again.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that can never happen again. It's the largest mass
Speaker 1: death like in the history of them.
Speaker 3: And again, if you're just tuning and we're talking about
Speaker 3: a science fiction book.
Speaker 1: Talking about if you're just joining us, this is Terry Groen,
Speaker 1: Stanley Roberts, but like it's science fiction. But a recent
Speaker 1: article in The New Yorker pointed out that we're actually
Speaker 1: like not far from the thing from that inciting incident happening.
Speaker 1: Like this spring, or I guess it was last spring
Speaker 1: saw the most dire pre monsoon heat wave in Indian history,
Speaker 1: and it was only a slightly lower humidity that prevented
Speaker 1: a real life, you know, event on par with what
Speaker 1: happens in the book, and still like lots of people died,
Speaker 1: lots of people are dying from heat already, you know,
Speaker 1: and it's just our I don't know, like it. We've talked,
Speaker 1: we've suggested that it's just you know, because it's hard
Speaker 1: to imagine and there aren't that many movies that depict
Speaker 1: people dying from heat, so you like you don't really
Speaker 1: have it in your head, like what that looks like.
Speaker 1: And the pictures that come with it in newspapers are
Speaker 1: people having fun while opening.
Speaker 3: Up a fire hydrunt right, yea.
Speaker 1: And so this is an event that like kind of
Speaker 1: makes it real for everybody in India at least, and
Speaker 1: that that seems to be something that they also wrestle
Speaker 1: with that I'm glad they did. It's not like all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, everybody in Texas is like, man, what
Speaker 1: happened to the people in India is really bad and
Speaker 1: we need to act on it. In the book, they're like,
Speaker 1: it needs to happen to you or to like your
Speaker 1: community for it to be real too.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And clearly we're I mean, that's usually how the
Speaker 3: US works, is like it has to literally be on
Speaker 3: your fucking doorstep, walk through the door, and fuck your
Speaker 3: shit up, and then you're like, oh, okay, yeah, so
Speaker 3: that's a thing. But yeah.
Speaker 1: He talks about an example of like a neighborhood that
Speaker 1: got destroyed by a tornado and like the people the
Speaker 1: neighborhood over were like, yeah, well that was on them.
Speaker 1: They were they were in the path of that tornado,
Speaker 1: and it's like that could have been anything.
Speaker 3: Well, it's like even like those like like small group
Speaker 3: of Republicans in North Carolina, they're like really worried about
Speaker 3: sea level rise and yeah, like there other people like
Speaker 3: just shut up.
Speaker 1: They're like I live here and I'm watching it. What
Speaker 1: are you talking about? Right? Yeah, But anyways, so he
Speaker 1: wrote this book in twenty nineteen, right, he gave a
Speaker 1: speech this past April that he actually said the book
Speaker 1: is too bleak, Like he says, calling like the book
Speaker 1: talks about how the thirties is what he calls the
Speaker 1: zombie decade because of all the like institutions that are
Speaker 1: still coasting on the inertia of you know, the past
Speaker 1: order of things, right, which you know, banks running everything
Speaker 1: in the United States and stuff like that. Even though
Speaker 1: they no longer serve us or you know, make sense
Speaker 1: in the world, and he thinks that's actually already too pessimistic,
Speaker 1: and like, to me, that sounds like, oh, that's a
Speaker 1: great description of the world as it feels inside America
Speaker 1: right now. Between Yeah, just things that are coasting off
Speaker 1: of inertia. But he sees a lot of like really
Speaker 1: cool programs around the world that he finds encouraging. I
Speaker 1: do think this book kind of turned him into a
Speaker 1: public eco intellectual, and so he is getting a lot
Speaker 1: of the information about like all the stuff people are trying,
Speaker 1: which is cool. It's it's stuff that doesn't get covered
Speaker 1: in the mainstream media and that's probably why, you know,
Speaker 1: I want to talk about it so much, because it
Speaker 1: does feel like it's being kept like a secret right
Speaker 1: from us, and it's kind of important information.
Speaker 3: So what are the kind of departures from our you know,
Speaker 3: are our current norm that you know, that society moves
Speaker 3: into in terms of like addressing this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, everyone just needs to get a tesla and you're good. Yeah,
Speaker 1: just get a tesla and give you money and we're
Speaker 1: good here.
Speaker 3: Oh then all right, well, dude, it's been a great episode,
Speaker 3: right Gang you heard it, Get it Tesla? Maybe get
Speaker 3: that Tesla.
Speaker 1: No, actually, there's it's conspicuous in the omission that like
Speaker 1: he doesn't even bring up electric vehicles, or if he does,
Speaker 1: it's just like as a like there's more adoption of
Speaker 1: this happening like in the early stages. Sure, sure we
Speaker 1: actually like there's another thing for my search history is
Speaker 1: like car bloat, which is something I found about found
Speaker 1: out about over the weekend, which is that like, as
Speaker 1: people are making this transition to electric vehicles, they're also
Speaker 1: making the cars way big, way bigger on the roads
Speaker 1: and even in your like Europe, I'm sorry, I picture
Speaker 1: Europe as like a bunch of people hunched inside, like
Speaker 1: those little tykes sides.
Speaker 3: And you know those plastic red and yellow. Yeah yeah, like.
Speaker 1: That's what I picture the shape of European cars. But
Speaker 1: like the third most popular highest sales car model in
Speaker 1: Europe in twenty twenty two is an sup like they're
Speaker 1: they're turning into I.
Speaker 3: Mean, yeah, we touched on just on the Normal Show
Speaker 3: about how like people who are like city planning and
Speaker 3: like do that kind of stuff, or just like cars
Speaker 3: are too fucking big for streets, for fucking parking lots,
Speaker 3: Like you're not like, what the it's eventually like the
Speaker 3: cars are just gonna be too fucking big and people
Speaker 3: are just gonna like fucking bump into each other. Not
Speaker 3: to mention that these cars are just like way fucking
Speaker 3: heavier and more tankish than ever too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's so much heavier like evs like it compared
Speaker 1: to the like similar size gas burning vehicle. It's not like, well,
Speaker 1: so you could should keep burning gas, but it's just
Speaker 1: it's a good example of like how in the current system, right,
Speaker 1: Like why I'm so cynical is like the current system
Speaker 1: will find a way to take it and turn it
Speaker 1: into like in this case, an arms race.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because like kind of consumer consumerist commodification fuck fest
Speaker 3: where it's like, oh, yeah, the way we get out
Speaker 3: of it is you buy this thing. Yeah, it's like
Speaker 3: but that's more consumption when we're talking about concern what
Speaker 3: the so what the fuck?
Speaker 1: Yeah, And so yeah, it's it's like breaking roads. And
Speaker 1: it's also it's like really scary because those car carriers,
Speaker 1: so the way the way that's being dealt with right now,
Speaker 1: by the way just real quick, and then we'll get
Speaker 1: into the things that actually work. But just as an
Speaker 1: example of why this like hasn't naturally occurred to us,
Speaker 1: Like this is what gets done with good ideas, is like,
Speaker 1: so they get these giant like F one fifty up
Speaker 1: trucks that are twice the size of like an F
Speaker 1: one fifty and nineteen ninety three, but they're electronic and
Speaker 1: then they are like one of the complaints that people
Speaker 1: have is that when you have to like transport them,
Speaker 1: they put them on the back of those car carriers. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but they're so big that like they don't you can
Speaker 1: only fit like a handful of them on.
Speaker 3: The back of car weight wise, like because yes, you
Speaker 3: can see them loaded up with like the normal combustion cars,
Speaker 3: but the uvs are so much heavier.
Speaker 1: Oh, those things are already the scariest things to be
Speaker 1: driving next to it all high. Yeah, like those car
Speaker 1: carriers where you like just see the weight, like you
Speaker 1: can just see it. It looks like it's like a drunk
Speaker 1: like three hundred pounds person, just like teetering next few
Speaker 1: And I have seen bad boys too, so I'm already
Speaker 1: like terrified of what's going to happen with those So
Speaker 1: the way that the shipping and you know, trucking industry
Speaker 1: is trying to deal with the fact that it's like
Speaker 1: you can't fit as many on is just asking for
Speaker 1: them to change the weight limit on car carriers so
Speaker 1: that they can carry.
Speaker 3: See right, more of them. We're we're not, We're not.
Speaker 3: We're not rising to the occasion with like actual solutions stupidity.
Speaker 3: So to make things more convenient for the sale objects.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and so this novel asks you would imagine that,
Speaker 1: like they're like, as the consequences of climate change continue
Speaker 1: to become like realer and realer to people, you get
Speaker 1: a world where people are like, wait, what if instead
Speaker 1: of just doing that, what if we built more reasonably
Speaker 1: sized cars, or what if since cars don't actually work
Speaker 1: and electric vehicles are still polluting through the like manufacturing process,
Speaker 1: Like what if we found other solutions for getting around?
Speaker 3: Like what Yes?
Speaker 1: So one of the things that he talks about is
Speaker 1: just the need to transition to a post capitalist system
Speaker 1: for world governance.
Speaker 3: Just generally all right.
Speaker 1: Just like that right, easy? Easy? Does it?
Speaker 3: Yeah? For sure.
Speaker 1: The point is that like the climate and inequality are
Speaker 1: part of the same problem, Like the extremely wealthy will
Speaker 1: continue to make decisions as if the rest of us
Speaker 1: don't exist because under the current system, like practically speaking,
Speaker 1: as far as they're concerned, we don't exist. They never
Speaker 1: have to see us, they never have to deal with
Speaker 1: the consequences of their actions. But also capitalism is currently
Speaker 1: constituted will continue to extract them, like burn fossil fuels
Speaker 1: if not otherwise encumbered, right, and so like the current
Speaker 1: system is set up to reward people for doing things
Speaker 1: that are bad for us, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, right, right, The incentives are things that are
Speaker 3: not moving towards solutions or anything. Yeah, or they may
Speaker 3: be perceived as that in the beginning, but ultimately know, yeah, and.
Speaker 1: The most powerful country in the world is still the US,
Speaker 1: and it's run by capitalism without restraint, like proudly like right. So,
Speaker 1: one of the things he uses the model of Montdragon,
Speaker 1: which is a worker owned collective in the Bosque region
Speaker 1: of Spain Espannah by Bosco Bosco. So this is a
Speaker 1: co op that it's a voluntary association ninety five autonomous
Speaker 1: cooperatives that you know, each co op's highest paid executive
Speaker 1: makes a most six times the salary of its lowest
Speaker 1: paid employee. There are no outside shareholders. Instead, you have
Speaker 1: a tryout period, and then if they like you enough,
Speaker 1: you get a chance to buy in to be a
Speaker 1: part owner of the company that you work for. Right,
Speaker 1: and there is like a CEO type of person that's
Speaker 1: called a managing director. And you know, but the members
Speaker 1: themselves vote on many of everything.
Speaker 3: I mean everything of.
Speaker 1: Strategy, salaries, policy. The votes of all members, whether their
Speaker 1: senior management or blue collar, all count equally.
Speaker 3: So like in it, he's saying that like like moving
Speaker 3: first of all, like we're gonna be probably up moving
Speaker 3: towards worker owned collectives in order to survive. Yes, and
Speaker 3: that is a really like that example. If you really
Speaker 3: like read up on there's like documentaries or you can
Speaker 3: find shit about the under gun like they it. It
Speaker 3: will blow your mind as an American labor per worker
Speaker 3: to see that you're like. And then so the person
Speaker 3: right there in the factory line they own they also
Speaker 3: own the company, yes exactly. And then but what happens
Speaker 3: like if they make less money, what about layoffs? Well,
Speaker 3: see they own the company. So then rather than answering
Speaker 3: to shareholders who are saying, why I need my fucking
Speaker 3: shareholder value to hold up? So you need to lop
Speaker 3: some heads off and do layoffs. They decide internally what
Speaker 3: has to be sacrificed, what can be dialed up, what
Speaker 3: can be dialed down in order for the company to
Speaker 3: keep going long term, And like that is such a
Speaker 3: completely different way to engage with what you do for
Speaker 3: work when you actually have ownership for it, which I'm
Speaker 3: glad to see. Something like that would seem normal, like
Speaker 3: would seem like naturally like a fair thing to somebody
Speaker 3: if you like presented the idea to them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, especially if the alternative of like just full blown
Speaker 1: unfettered capitalism or neoliberalism. The current form of capitalism we
Speaker 1: live under is just like we start to see the
Speaker 1: evidence more clearly that it just doesn't like it's not possible.
Speaker 3: Going, they got fucking little kids working at the bars now, right,
Speaker 3: Like that's where we're at, and.
Speaker 1: They can get their little hands inside the pint glasses, miles,
Speaker 1: and they.
Speaker 3: Can put help. Yeah, they keep the fruit flies out
Speaker 3: of the mixer bottles, like no, this is but again yeah,
Speaker 3: like we it we can see a play out because
Speaker 3: it is almost going like we actually already have a script.
Speaker 3: It's called idiocracy, right, yeah, yeah, it's is that version.
Speaker 1: But my brain you know, is so like capitalism poisoned,
Speaker 1: like it immediately when you talk about like a co op,
Speaker 1: Like there's this quote in this profile of mondar Going
Speaker 1: in the New Yorker where Larry Summers, our favorite guy,
Speaker 1: Harvard president, so he must be liberal and smart characterized
Speaker 1: co ops as intrinsically sleepy and short sighted. When you
Speaker 1: put workers in charge of firms and you give them
Speaker 1: substantial control over the firms, the one thing you do
Speaker 1: not get is expansion. You get more for the people
Speaker 1: who are already there. Wow, one is greedy and will
Speaker 1: try and fuck you, so you just have to fuck
Speaker 1: them back. Like it's just that very basic, like intrinsic
Speaker 1: kind of cellular greed capitalism model of humanity that I
Speaker 1: like grew up. It Like that's how I thought for
Speaker 1: a long time the world worked. So there's probably a
Speaker 1: good reason that like we don't know about it.
Speaker 3: Is it like has succeeded. Sorry did I cut you off? No? No,
Speaker 3: I'm just kind of just ran rambling on the side
Speaker 3: agreeing because yeah, I mean, like the it's just wild.
Speaker 3: When he's basically saying it's like, yeah, the problem is no,
Speaker 3: just destructive growth, right, that's the thing. That's the only
Speaker 3: thing about it. And when you hear people who work
Speaker 3: in work our own co ops or like even people
Speaker 3: in like in Mondra going there, like it's clear profit
Speaker 3: is important because you need that to help sustain a business,
Speaker 3: but that is not the fucking be all, end all.
Speaker 3: It's it's to ensure the longevity of the of of
Speaker 3: this project and just be able to have it be
Speaker 3: something because like these some of these people are like
Speaker 3: second generation in the co op where they're like, yeah,
Speaker 3: my fucking parents started this ship. Yeah, and this is
Speaker 3: us to like to shepherd.
Speaker 1: It as far as the like no growth thing is concerned.
Speaker 1: This started in I think the forties as like a
Speaker 1: four people, four students from like this priest who is
Speaker 1: the founder, like created a community college and then like
Speaker 1: worked with for the people who graduated from there who
Speaker 1: were like really promising students. Like I don't think I
Speaker 1: have all of this correct, but like it started with
Speaker 1: like four people that he was like, I bet you
Speaker 1: guys would make a good company. And now they employ
Speaker 1: around eighty thousand people. Seventy six percent of those work
Speaker 1: in manufacturing co ops and our owners. And it's not
Speaker 1: like I think the only thing that I had really
Speaker 1: heard of as a co op in the US is
Speaker 1: like grocery stores or like little like boutique stores, just
Speaker 1: like mondrag go on, Like what one of the manufacturing
Speaker 1: companies makes bicycles at an industrial scale. Others make elevators,
Speaker 1: produce huge industrial machines using the production of jet engines, rockets,
Speaker 1: when turbines. They have schools, large grocery chain, a catering company,
Speaker 1: fourteen technology R and D centers. They even have a
Speaker 1: McKinsey like consulting firm.
Speaker 3: Hey see right, yeah exactly.
Speaker 1: In twenty twenty one, the network brought in more than
Speaker 1: eleven billion euros in revenue. So I don't know, like
Speaker 1: I don't want this to be like and they've never
Speaker 1: had a problem, but it's it's so directly flies in
Speaker 1: the face of everything I've ever heard about socialism or
Speaker 1: like well the possibilities of like how an incentive structure
Speaker 1: can work because of being you know, raised in this country, right,
Speaker 1: And so the book just like generally creates a model
Speaker 1: of the present and near future where like things just
Speaker 1: aren't I think I assumed like the internet had this
Speaker 1: like pro promise when it first became a thing. And
Speaker 1: like websites and you know, the freedom of information, and
Speaker 1: I just assumed that like the fact that it inevitably
Speaker 1: got fucked up by the forces of capital, like it
Speaker 1: that it is inevitable. And but like when you take
Speaker 1: a step back and like think about how things could
Speaker 1: work under a system where like the economy works to
Speaker 1: serve people rather than like people working to serve the economy.
Speaker 1: Like that's the line from the book that is like
Speaker 1: so basic. I'm embarrassed that I stopped and like wrote
Speaker 1: it down, but it seems profound that that was.
Speaker 3: Your real eyes realized, Oh what the fuck?
Speaker 2: Man?
Speaker 3: Hold on man, Yeah, totally. I know it's so simple.
Speaker 3: But again to when you've been propagandized and evangelized about
Speaker 3: capitalism from fucking the gamy phase of your life, yea,
Speaker 3: Like yeah, it does. It does seem like it's just
Speaker 3: like you can't even imagine the inverse of something. It's like, no, what, Yeah,
Speaker 3: we got to help the economy. It's like, motherfucker that there's.
Speaker 1: Nothing about social media that inevitably says that the companies
Speaker 1: who provide that service would sell your information for marketing purposes.
Speaker 1: And it's kind of weird that like it turned into
Speaker 1: like a brainwashing, like addictive, competitive, like fucked up thing
Speaker 1: like it Like, but that's what hyper capitalism does everything,
Speaker 1: Like the blockchain is a cool technology and theory, and
Speaker 1: hyper capitalism turned it into a fucking Ponzi scheme and
Speaker 1: like that's what people think of when they think of
Speaker 1: the blockchain, whereas like it could be a very valuable
Speaker 1: tool and probably will be into the future. They actually
Speaker 1: do talk about the blockchain event in the in Ministry
Speaker 1: for the future. They use it to just make it
Speaker 1: so that the hyper wealthy can't hide their money in
Speaker 1: tax savans, like all all money, Yeah, all money's online,
Speaker 1: so it can't be hidden anywhere. And the way that
Speaker 1: that's brought about is that there's like an attack on
Speaker 1: the Swiss banks where a lot of the hyper wealthy
Speaker 1: hide their money and it, you know, they lose, they
Speaker 1: lose track of all the different accounts that they have,
Speaker 1: and basically they're like, all right, well, we need to
Speaker 1: make it so that this information is just publicly available, yeah,
Speaker 1: because the old system kind of no longer works. And
Speaker 1: I guess the importance of the Internet, like point that
Speaker 1: is that like now everyone knows so much more than
Speaker 1: they did before, Like the internet gives us access to
Speaker 1: all this information, all of these tools for accessing the information,
Speaker 1: and it's still just like a tiny drop, but it
Speaker 1: it's harder to fool people, and it's easier to kind
Speaker 1: of it's going to be harder to hide the realities
Speaker 1: of the ship from p people, or at least it
Speaker 1: should be in theory.
Speaker 3: Right, right, right, It's I mean, it's interesting because so
Speaker 3: many of these things, right because I know another element
Speaker 3: because I've I've seen Kim Stanley Roberts speak before too,
Speaker 3: and he also talks out about like regenerative agriculture and
Speaker 3: you know that for something you know, in my mind.
Speaker 1: It's Kim Stanley Robinson. I've said that before. I think, yeah,
Speaker 1: what did I just say Stanley Roberts.
Speaker 3: Oh I did just yeah, Sorry, then I said Kim
Speaker 3: Stanley Roberts for anyway, like in other talks I've seen
Speaker 3: him give, just like about the book and just like
Speaker 3: other sort of like climate change, like like what's like,
Speaker 3: what the fuck are we go about folks kind of talks.
Speaker 3: Is to also see like regenerative agriculture be brought up
Speaker 3: so much, which again feels like when the ultimate sort
Speaker 3: of theme, Like if there is any sort of quote
Speaker 3: unquote solution, it's like to completely like unfuck our heads
Speaker 3: with the idea that growth is good and we need
Speaker 3: to be seeking profits at all costs. Yeah, and especially
Speaker 3: with regenerative agricultures. Like a really good way to wrap
Speaker 3: your head around just how we do things in like
Speaker 3: the most backwards way because current like just gigantic mega
Speaker 3: agribusinesses we're all about, especially in America, just monocrops. It's
Speaker 3: like this piece of ground will only grow fucking soybeans
Speaker 3: or corn or whatever. When that's done, we're gonna fucking
Speaker 3: we're gonna boost the fucking because it's all about yields,
Speaker 3: what we can get from this. It's all about putting
Speaker 3: as many fertilizers in and all kinds of chemicals and
Speaker 3: shit to bring about higher yields. And then once we
Speaker 3: pull that shit out, we just let that patch of
Speaker 3: dirt stay fucking dirt and do let like don't let
Speaker 3: like nature do its thing like allowing like for example,
Speaker 3: just like the soil erosion is a huge thing that
Speaker 3: I was not really like really understanding its connection to
Speaker 3: our ecosystem and the destructive way that we farm, doesn't
Speaker 3: allow for our soils to actually regenerate the micro organisms
Speaker 3: that it needs h and also allows for like, you know,
Speaker 3: better water absorption. So they're like versions of it, like
Speaker 3: no tail farming, Like we're not just fucking ripping shit
Speaker 3: up and allowing plants to put roots deeper into the ground,
Speaker 3: which means if they have they can go deeper into
Speaker 3: the ground photosynthesis, they can take that fucking CO two
Speaker 3: and put carbon directly into the soil. And another huge
Speaker 3: part of it I did not realize was that as
Speaker 3: a reservoir to capture carbon, the ground is like something
Speaker 3: like many times larger than the atmosphere in terms of
Speaker 3: its capacity to absorb carbon. And like when you look
Speaker 3: at something like that and you're like, holy shit, a
Speaker 3: lot of and I'm again, I'm doing a very like
Speaker 3: very simplified distillation of regenerative agriculture. But the idea that
Speaker 3: we need to be actually working in harmony with the
Speaker 3: earth actually also helps for things like the desertification of
Speaker 3: our land for drought and you know, carbon capture, and
Speaker 3: now that les.
Speaker 1: How do we tenx that? How do we scale that?
Speaker 1: And just okay, this how that real quick forma Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: bank play bank run on that. Yeah, dude, what do
Speaker 1: you think VC play on that?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: There should regenerate out agriculture should be people's new social media,
Speaker 1: It should be people's new bank.
Speaker 3: Well, this is the thing, This is where this is
Speaker 3: where our old ways kind of slip in, right, because
Speaker 3: now many people are using the term but with interchangeable definitions,
Speaker 3: whether that means it's regenerative in the sense in the
Speaker 3: process that we're doing, or that the outcomes are regenerative,
Speaker 3: and they mean very different things in terms of how
Speaker 3: we're interacting with the earth. So again, like when I
Speaker 3: read stories about that, and some people like the most
Speaker 3: optimistic forecasts and the white paper that the study that
Speaker 3: this like forecast was based off of has been debated
Speaker 3: by other scientists, was saying that, like, you know, if
Speaker 3: you actually were able to properly do certain regenerative practices
Speaker 3: on like all of our grasslands and farmlands, and that
Speaker 3: just sort of became the norm, we would capture all
Speaker 3: of the carbon that's emitted right now already and have
Speaker 3: the capacity for more tons of carbon. Now, I think
Speaker 3: a more not getting completely carried away with that version
Speaker 3: of that, at least for me, that is heartening is
Speaker 3: the idea that we we have all of these tools
Speaker 3: that we know work right, and whether that means it's
Speaker 3: gonna one hundred percent or even fucking thirty percent, any
Speaker 3: reduction is a good thing along with all the other
Speaker 3: things we're trying to do as a as a as
Speaker 3: a as a species, but being able to see that
Speaker 3: those things are available, these are things that we are
Speaker 3: trying to implement. People are definitely trying to implement it.
Speaker 3: There are definitely like large interest groups that are trying
Speaker 3: to do it for many different reasons. But that helps
Speaker 3: me as a human being, move away a little bit
Speaker 3: from the water world idea of where this thing goes
Speaker 3: and to know that like like they're there, we have
Speaker 3: the ways to do this, we just have to fucking
Speaker 3: put it together. Yeah, and that's the fucking hard part, right,
Speaker 3: But I think for me, it's better to have an
Speaker 3: idea of how to like to actually address the situation
Speaker 3: rather than to be completely resigned to the fact that
Speaker 3: it's going to overtake it. Of the way I thought
Speaker 3: about police violence in twenty fourteen is very different than
Speaker 3: how I think about police violence and how to actually
Speaker 3: address it now, now that I've done like more research,
Speaker 3: more work, more interacting, more conversations with people to know
Speaker 3: that it's not just like, man, it's always going to
Speaker 3: be like this. It's like, well, no, there's things like
Speaker 3: qualified immunity that are holding us back. And in the
Speaker 3: same way, it's really good to be able to also
Speaker 3: arm yourself with these kinds of points of knowledge because
Speaker 3: it goes a little bit less from like Okay, well,
Speaker 3: I guess I'm gonna wear my football pads with spikes
Speaker 3: in it and face pain I burnt out Honda Prelude
Speaker 3: in the Desert to being like, no, man, like, these
Speaker 3: are a lot of things like we need to be
Speaker 3: thinking about more and are there. But again, that's our
Speaker 3: main battle is to be able to coalesce around these things.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Kim Stanley Robinson like in a in a speech
Speaker 1: from Kim Stanley rot I think I've been saying Roberts
Speaker 1: and that might have fucked everyone else up. But it
Speaker 1: was funny. When I googled his name a few weeks ago,
Speaker 1: I found a found I found a like what one
Speaker 1: of the Google hits was a transcript of one of
Speaker 1: our podcasts where I called him Kim Stanley Roberts.
Speaker 3: I know, every time I actually talk about in my
Speaker 3: mind always say Swiss Family, Robinson, Kim Stanley Robinson.
Speaker 1: But that's a empirical rap miracle.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yo, sorry, fever fever cooked my brain.
Speaker 1: But he he talks about how like in the years
Speaker 1: since the book, because the book does talk about regenerate agriculture.
Speaker 1: But he's like, I was a little bit skeptical that
Speaker 1: it was as big a deal as people were making
Speaker 1: it seem. He was like, I thought it might be
Speaker 1: kind of like AI, like this buzz where the people
Speaker 1: are throwing out I'm like, this is just the solution
Speaker 1: and we can like knock it out and ten exit
Speaker 1: and scale it. And he's like, no, it's you know,
Speaker 1: it's actually a real thing. But again it's it really
Speaker 1: is like a thing that I've heard him say multiple times.
Speaker 1: Is that like and he says it a couple of
Speaker 1: times in the book. Also, is that like profit is
Speaker 1: inherently predatory and is inherently going to like that that
Speaker 1: can't be the motive of a world that gets out
Speaker 1: of this problem.
Speaker 3: So, right's if that if that in any way is
Speaker 3: intersecting with what's presented to you as a solution. It
Speaker 3: is not. It's actually the problem and even as much.
Speaker 3: And we see this so much like in how we're
Speaker 3: presented products as consumers as a way to do your part,
Speaker 3: et cetera. When you do, you do a lot better.
Speaker 3: Is like if you fucking can find ways just to
Speaker 3: do things immediately around you. But yeah, it is. That's
Speaker 3: kind of what's interesting or that's that's why it makes
Speaker 3: it so daunting, is that it's like, Okay, so the
Speaker 3: way out of this is the opposite of this eventually. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but I think at a certain point there are too
Speaker 3: many people who are not benefiting from the current order
Speaker 3: of things that I guess our hope is that we
Speaker 3: can we just hit that critical mass where we're all
Speaker 3: realized like it's I think something has to be drastically different.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, let's take one more quick break. We'll
Speaker 1: be right back, and we're back.
Speaker 3: We're back.
Speaker 1: And the Doc Brawl I have finally watched it after
Speaker 1: I said so quite at the beginning of the week,
Speaker 1: I had seen the fist fight in Major League Baseball,
Speaker 1: and then the Doc Brawl came up afterwards, and I
Speaker 1: was like, guys, why do we why are we so
Speaker 1: obsessed with all these fights, and it sounded like I
Speaker 1: was like, no big deal, Leaves, You're.
Speaker 3: Like, let's not I don't like.
Speaker 11: Yeah, yeah right right, So yeah, I chose the exact
Speaker 11: wrong moment to be like, enough with the fist fights, folks, guys, guys,
Speaker 11: when we just all love each other and be nice.
Speaker 1: But anyways, I've watched it from all the angles, all
Speaker 1: the all the key moments. The swimmer, the aquamane.
Speaker 12: School, sim Washington, Yeah, quill Ogile, so so many.
Speaker 1: The hat throw is just wonderful, the and the folding
Speaker 1: chair some things. So I went back and watched the
Speaker 1: argument that led to it, and the restraint from the
Speaker 1: the eventual hat thrower to not start throwing hands at
Speaker 1: the people as he's having this conversation is not to
Speaker 1: be overlooked.
Speaker 3: It is.
Speaker 1: It reminds me of like when a an umpire is
Speaker 1: talking to like a baseball manager, and the baseball manager
Speaker 1: is just like wearing in their face and spitting on
Speaker 1: that and just doing and like the umpire just had
Speaker 1: like their point is just like very basic, like this
Speaker 1: boat needs to go right here and right He's just
Speaker 1: like pointing like this is a message that could be
Speaker 1: explained in five seconds to a five year old. But
Speaker 1: because you are drunk white boat people who have been
Speaker 1: in the sun all day, this is taking an hour.
Speaker 1: So just I want to shout out his restraint in
Speaker 1: the in the lead up to them then fully like
Speaker 1: you know, sucker punching him and gang tackling.
Speaker 3: That's why there's so many levels of Cathars as a
Speaker 3: black viewer too, where there's that restraint where you know
Speaker 3: you can't fully come for this fucking drunk asshole and
Speaker 3: you kind of got to take it and you're like, god, damn,
Speaker 3: I know that fucking patience. Then when the hands get
Speaker 3: to flying, it's the next level that the fucking portals
Speaker 3: open in the Avengers and people are like, we're fucking
Speaker 3: here and we're not gonna watch this shit happen because
Speaker 3: and like it's just so God, there's just so many
Speaker 3: layers to it, Like and we were saying with Nicole
Speaker 3: han or Nicole Hane Jones talking like she's like, you know,
Speaker 3: there's a history in Alabama, obviously, and there's obviously a
Speaker 3: history of racial spectacle, like violent spectacles where people have
Speaker 3: had to watch untold horrors happen to black people. At
Speaker 3: the hands of a white mob and there was just
Speaker 3: really nothing you could do because of the white supremacy
Speaker 3: that exists in our country. And to watch it all
Speaker 3: kind of coalesce into this like three acts Shakespearean like
Speaker 3: brawl is like, it's really it's really something I don't know,
Speaker 3: uh sekoy, how what you know? I know I see
Speaker 3: that I see the energy coming from you just from
Speaker 3: the mention of it. But yeah, did you where where
Speaker 3: are you at? With the video?
Speaker 12: Now?
Speaker 4: This filled my spirit up so much. I have never
Speaker 4: felt so nourished as I did while watching this particular.
Speaker 1: Piece of content.
Speaker 4: It is so cathartic, Like you said, like we're watching
Speaker 4: the entire story arc, something that was captured from so
Speaker 4: many different angles. You're like, okay, that's how that started.
Speaker 4: Oh we got here, okay. But my favorite part of
Speaker 4: the video is when we've watched the crew get off
Speaker 4: the boat and the people are skipping up to.
Speaker 9: Is a threat.
Speaker 4: If you've never seen somebody skip to a fight, you
Speaker 4: take it as some light.
Speaker 3: If you know, you know that is a war threat.
Speaker 3: It's a warm up, a warm up moments. Was so
Speaker 3: giddy to be that moment where the boat gets close
Speaker 3: enough for the dock to the dock for them to
Speaker 3: disembark there, it's like almost like at the gate they're like,
Speaker 3: let me yeah, and that's the edge. Yeah. That was
Speaker 3: my my favorite commentary where the people watching like, oh
Speaker 3: here they go like yeah they knew. They're like, oh no,
Speaker 3: it's you fucked up. You fucked up, and you get
Speaker 3: bonus black points if you said or boo every time
Speaker 3: you punch connect bore taking me out.
Speaker 4: My god, it was somethime Washington with the commentary.
Speaker 3: Everything about it was so good.
Speaker 12: I have not seen a video that made me feel
Speaker 12: that good.
Speaker 3: It's so long. Yeah, and you know, I think there's
Speaker 3: something too like that I saw even pointing out on
Speaker 3: the route. Also. That's just like the reason I think
Speaker 3: too that it feels better is that like, luckily no
Speaker 3: one is pulling firearms out, no one died, because that
Speaker 3: would have been that would have been a complete different thing,
Speaker 3: would have been a whole other escalation and something that
Speaker 3: we kind of brace ourselves as Americans to be like,
Speaker 3: oh shit, there's a group violence, someone might start busting
Speaker 3: something from.
Speaker 9: Something, especially in the South.
Speaker 4: I'm shocked nobody had a firearm on them.
Speaker 3: Well, I was, and so based on like new police
Speaker 3: reports that came out, apparently one of those guys was
Speaker 3: throwing racial slurs at that doc worker and also said
Speaker 3: they were going to go get a gun too, according
Speaker 3: to one of the people that like they witnessed it,
Speaker 3: another person who was like working with the boat. But
Speaker 3: part of me, this is just a general warning to people.
Speaker 3: You have to know when someone is at their like
Speaker 3: wage job and you fuck with them, chances are they
Speaker 3: are there will be some kind of like collective response.
Speaker 3: Like having a shitty job is like being in the game,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. Yea, when you got that
Speaker 3: shitty job, you're like, yo, mother, you are not like
Speaker 3: you'd be like, look at this motherfucking talking shit to him.
Speaker 3: Hold the fuck up. You are going to get a
Speaker 3: level of smoke return to you when you fuck with
Speaker 3: somebody at their job too. That's the other part. I
Speaker 3: was just like, they have done no analysis. They did
Speaker 3: not do the proper threat analysis with this.
Speaker 4: They did not have any context to have the proper
Speaker 4: threat analysis. If you've never seen somebody skip to a fight,
Speaker 4: you don't know that you're in grave danger when that happens.
Speaker 4: If you've never like had a wave job. Wait job,
Speaker 4: I don't know these people. Obviously they might have, but
Speaker 4: if you've never had that collective action spirit, you don't
Speaker 4: know that you fucking with this one person.
Speaker 1: This is a dog whistle.
Speaker 9: Everybody's on you right now, right.
Speaker 1: And there are definitely more people who have had shitty
Speaker 1: jobs than not like that. It's also, you know, people
Speaker 1: pointed out that like the structure of the video is
Speaker 1: people standing by watching and then joining in, and that's
Speaker 1: a big deal because like standing by and watching horrible
Speaker 1: shit happen is how I think a lot of people
Speaker 1: feel a lot of the time now, and so like
Speaker 1: that there's something cathartic of you know, that it starts
Speaker 1: as one of the things, one of those types of
Speaker 1: videos that we've seen so many times, and then the
Speaker 1: thing that doesn't usually happen finally happens where everybody is
Speaker 1: able to join in and there are more of us
Speaker 1: than there are of them, and a lot of these circumstances,
Speaker 1: but it just hasn't felt that way to this point,
Speaker 1: and I think, I don't know. I think it does
Speaker 1: a good job of driving at home.
Speaker 4: And I was fully prepared for the cops to not
Speaker 4: arrest any of the boaters, the initial voters, and I
Speaker 4: was I was still going to be like, Okay, I'm
Speaker 4: going to look at these black men that went to
Speaker 4: jail on this behalf as vigilantes and like, you know, right,
Speaker 4: But they went ahead and arrested all the right people too.
Speaker 4: You cannot have had a better video.
Speaker 3: Even the chair guy. The chair guy, they're like, look,
Speaker 3: we don't we don't have charges, but we need to
Speaker 3: talk to you man. We need to have to because
Speaker 3: you and you you fucking united. That poor woman with
Speaker 3: talking chair.
Speaker 4: That's why I started walking through my eyes. I was
Speaker 4: when I saw the chair commut I was like, oh,
Speaker 4: this might get a little bit more violent than.
Speaker 3: I'm Luckily it was plastic.
Speaker 1: Nobody was bleeding like it was like, okay.
Speaker 3: But I don't know.
Speaker 1: One of my favorite moments is when they're arresting the
Speaker 1: chair guy and then that white woman comes up in
Speaker 1: like the all white dress, and I don't know what
Speaker 1: she says to the cop, but the cop just like
Speaker 1: gives her a tiny shove and it's immediately revealed that
Speaker 1: she is way too day drunk to be in the situation,
Speaker 1: and like does the wobbliest fall on her ass that
Speaker 1: I've ever seen. Oh man, that's one of one of
Speaker 1: the great falls in the video.
Speaker 3: Some of the men jumping in the water to avoid
Speaker 3: the fight.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was all good.
Speaker 3: That was truly. You know. You can't sometimes your your
Speaker 3: ignorance does boom rang back to you. And I don't
Speaker 3: know what I saw this one. There was like one
Speaker 3: fucking someone made a TikTok parody video of like try
Speaker 3: that in twenty twenty three, Like I'm the fuck year
Speaker 3: you thought it was three? Yeah, yeah, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 3: no no, no. People are people. People got their eye
Speaker 3: on the prize and yeah, like I think if there's
Speaker 3: Jackie wrote in here about how people you know, pointed
Speaker 3: out that it is you know, this is this is
Speaker 3: Black August too, where a lot of significant things have
Speaker 3: happened in black history, including rebellions and Nat Turner rebellion,
Speaker 3: the birth of Marcus Garvey and Fred Hampton, Like this
Speaker 3: is another historical month in black history, and it's kind
Speaker 3: of like not to say that this is in line
Speaker 3: with that, but hey, things happened in August.
Speaker 1: The Root did a list there with this as the
Speaker 1: latest in a timeline that has Yeah, Fred Hampton's birth,
Speaker 1: the marsh on Washington, you know, the wats riots, the
Speaker 1: Ferguson protests beginning, and I kind of loved it.
Speaker 3: So yeah, anyway, just y'all, please just listen to people
Speaker 3: who are trying to keep you safe. You know, that's
Speaker 3: that's all this guy was trying to do. And then
Speaker 3: you had to go and get in your ugly racist
Speaker 3: bag and look what happened to you. Look what happened
Speaker 3: to you? Look at you? Yeah. So God, between between
Speaker 3: that and the Boston cop video, so so many healings video,
Speaker 3: oh man. And I thought Oppenheimer was the best thing
Speaker 3: I saw this fucking week. No, No, top top three
Speaker 3: movie that you saw this week? Top three movie I
Speaker 3: saw this week. In the last week, the doc Brawl,
Speaker 3: then Boston p D Cop slide, then Oppenheimer. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: that's good.
Speaker 1: And Oppenheimer deserves Oscar attention.
Speaker 3: But so does this. Yes, yes, yes, yes, we need
Speaker 3: we need this to be like just captured in like
Speaker 3: Renaissance like painting form, you know what I mean?
Speaker 4: Wow, what if Beyonce plays footage of it on her show?
Speaker 4: I would be astuley really excited. A different reaisance.
Speaker 3: But yeah, that yeah, that would be I don't know
Speaker 3: what effect that would have on the crowd, but it
Speaker 3: would have a fucking effect. When would she play that,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean? When could she like what song?
Speaker 3: Could she juxtapose that?
Speaker 1: And people like yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 8: I don't know, you're like, oh ship, all right, that's
Speaker 8: gonna do it.
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