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Speaker 3: I told him to keep his ass at home. But
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Speaker 3: have a very special guest with us tonight. One of
Speaker 3: the most authentic journalists around. When you know, in regards
Speaker 3: to hip hop, I would say, and he's a white guy,
Speaker 3: I am, you know, very obviously. You know he's you know,
Speaker 3: he's a published author. He actually published a very good
Speaker 3: book called The History of Gangster Rap From school. He
Speaker 3: d to Kendrick Lamar The Rise of a Great American
Speaker 3: art Form, published Goochie Man self help book, God the Greatness.
Speaker 3: But where I recognize him from? When? Where I I
Speaker 3: guess we formed our relationship. That was when he was
Speaker 3: writing for The Source magazine. He was the main editor.
Speaker 3: Also written for The New York Times, La Times, Double Xayal,
Speaker 3: the Chicago Tribune. This guy is like a real, real
Speaker 3: live hip hop journalist, he said, the Source when it
Speaker 3: comes to the art form of hip hop. My man,
Speaker 3: Sore and Baker. That was a long introduction, man, Thank
Speaker 3: you still appreciate it. Long ass introduction, bro, long ass introduction.
Speaker 4: Thank you.
Speaker 3: Thank you So.
Speaker 1: Me.
Speaker 3: You and A have kind of been talking over the
Speaker 3: last few weeks about getting this list together. You know,
Speaker 3: commemorating fifty years of hip hop. Fifty years is a
Speaker 3: long time. I remember when this shit wasn't even around, man.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, by the time I found out about it, Uh,
Speaker 4: it was around, but it wasn't that it wasn't nearly
Speaker 4: what it is today.
Speaker 1: So it felt like it wasn't around that much.
Speaker 3: Oh for sure. Man, I've definitely had the pleasure of
Speaker 3: seeing this thing go from an underground phenomena to just
Speaker 3: like now, it's like a part of the culture. It
Speaker 3: is a part of It is culture, you know, it's
Speaker 3: culture itself.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, it stands on its own.
Speaker 3: You know. And I'm definitely I would say, man, I
Speaker 3: definitely would say I'm one of those guys that hip
Speaker 3: hop is my culture. I lived a lifestyle. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 3: it's it's not you as well. You know. You know,
Speaker 3: we're living a lifestyle. So we're putting it together list
Speaker 3: the greatest fifty rap albums gainst the rap albums of
Speaker 3: all time. And when I tell you that, it's kind
Speaker 3: of hard to be objective doing something like this because
Speaker 3: you have some albums that just kind of hit you
Speaker 3: in the art right and you're like, damn, man, I
Speaker 3: really can't put that on it, though, because it's not
Speaker 3: better than this.
Speaker 4: That's the challenge with making lists, man, which is why
Speaker 4: I'm glad we got the three of us talking about
Speaker 4: it because you know, for me, one of the hardest
Speaker 4: things that I ever did was reviewing albums because when
Speaker 4: I would review them, especially in the LA Times and
Speaker 4: some of the magazines I wrote for, you got to
Speaker 4: like really look at it as a standalone thing. You
Speaker 4: can't look at it compared to other albums or what's
Speaker 4: going on. You just gotta look at it for what
Speaker 4: it is as its own entity and judging that in
Speaker 4: real time and then not being able to really sit
Speaker 4: with it.
Speaker 1: It's also hard to do.
Speaker 4: But that's something I did like hundreds of times, and
Speaker 4: I missed doing album reviews. But on the other hand,
Speaker 4: you know, it is what it is. It's a different
Speaker 4: error now, so.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it is. People are much more sensitive.
Speaker 1: That's an understatement.
Speaker 3: You know, they're very sensitive nowadays. You know, before we
Speaker 3: get into it is have you ever had someone mad.
Speaker 1: That you all the time? I used to have that
Speaker 1: on a regular basis.
Speaker 3: Especially with the Source because those stars were a big deal.
Speaker 4: Well, the thing with the Source, this didn't really happen often.
Speaker 4: It only happened literally less than a handful of times
Speaker 4: with a newspaper, but in a magazine. Man, there were
Speaker 4: several times where I would mainly I always review the
Speaker 4: album more favorably, and then the editor or however they
Speaker 4: did it would lower with the source, lower the MIC's
Speaker 4: or you know, lower stars and different publications or whatever
Speaker 4: it was, and then the publicist or the artists would
Speaker 4: be looking at me sideways. Sometimes I just have to
Speaker 4: tell them like, yeah, you know, they kept the words,
Speaker 4: but they changed rating, or sometimes they would change some
Speaker 4: of the words, and it's like that was bad for me,
Speaker 4: because as somebody that cares so much about what I
Speaker 4: do as a writer, I didn't want to give an album,
Speaker 4: say four mics, and then it turns up as a
Speaker 4: three and a half where they're added a paragraph or
Speaker 4: two dissonant or I gave it a three and a
Speaker 4: half and now it's a three and they cut out
Speaker 4: like half the good stuff I said, because I think
Speaker 4: one thing people really get confused is three out of
Speaker 4: five is above average. It's a good rating, three out
Speaker 4: of five, but because of a lot of different factors,
Speaker 4: people looked at it three like that was whack or something,
Speaker 4: and it's not. It's above average and its quality, which
Speaker 4: is why for me I always prefer the way I
Speaker 4: did it in the La Times, which was out of four.
Speaker 3: So I was like.
Speaker 4: Poor was one star, fair was two stars, three was good,
Speaker 4: and four was excellent. That to me is better because
Speaker 4: it's much more like there's less will room and we
Speaker 4: could only do half a star. So if it was
Speaker 4: between fair and good, you could give it a two
Speaker 4: and a half. But even that, like that's average.
Speaker 3: Yeah, people get mad, people get upset and hip hop
Speaker 3: for being average because hip hop is one of the
Speaker 3: genres to where it's so competitive. Yeah, if you're second place,
Speaker 3: you still pissed off. Like I'm pretty sure, especially with
Speaker 3: your background, Like I said, you're very respected. You know
Speaker 3: what I'm saying. You really are a part of the culture.
Speaker 3: So you know, a guy just sitting there here imitating,
Speaker 3: I could see someone being mad being in the bottom fifty.
Speaker 3: But like when you spoke earlier, just to make this
Speaker 3: list at all, Yeah.
Speaker 4: I mean, you gotta remember, there's hundreds of gangster rap
Speaker 4: albums that have been released, if not thousands, I.
Speaker 3: Would say now man, probably close to thousands.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, and I have almost all of them.
Speaker 4: So the fact that getting on the top fifty list
Speaker 4: and some artists. I'm sure for you, me and eight
Speaker 4: are gonna have more than one. That just shows you
Speaker 4: we're dealing with the cream of the cream of the
Speaker 4: cream of the crew exactly.
Speaker 1: And it's hard to do, you know.
Speaker 4: I know we have some similarities, I'm sure, but I
Speaker 4: know there's gonna be some differences and that's what's gonna
Speaker 4: make it exciting to discuss.
Speaker 3: Well, that's part of the debate, you know, and it
Speaker 3: makes for good barbershop talk all across the country, really
Speaker 3: all across the world, probably, you know, guys, you know,
Speaker 3: people take rap very serious. I've seen people get in
Speaker 3: the fights like not you know, big bit, you know,
Speaker 3: smack down, drag out fist fights. But I've seen the
Speaker 3: people get real intense arguments man over hip hop.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I've I've been in some of those too,
Speaker 4: and it's it's just because we all love it so
Speaker 4: much and it means a lot.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: I fell in love with it when I was ten
Speaker 1: and I'm still in love with it.
Speaker 3: It definitely insights man passionate inside of people. So I
Speaker 3: guess since you'd have guessed this week and by the
Speaker 3: way song will be with us, I would say probably
Speaker 3: for the next six weeks. You know, we were talking
Speaker 3: about the fifty greatest gangster rap albums of all time.
Speaker 3: It's a task, hey man, It's very tedious, you know,
Speaker 3: because you know, for me to get to this final,
Speaker 3: you know number right here, I had to go through
Speaker 3: a lot of changes. Man. I would go take I
Speaker 3: got one who took a shower? When I was thinking
Speaker 3: my head, I said, no, man, I liked that album,
Speaker 3: but I can't keep this off of there. And I
Speaker 3: went and change it again. Man, So this is being
Speaker 3: changed like for me, man, and good because I had
Speaker 3: a head start of you guys, right, I had to
Speaker 3: hear start off you guys. So I think I did
Speaker 3: this man, probably over maybe fifteen twenty times easy.
Speaker 4: Oh wow, Okay, I didn't take that long, but it
Speaker 4: definitely some reorganizing. And then, you know, one of the
Speaker 4: things that I found that was the most difficult is
Speaker 4: like if an artist is quote unquote this gangster, but
Speaker 4: they're also players or pens or street or hustler or whatever,
Speaker 4: then I was like, well, this album isn't super gangster.
Speaker 4: So even though it's one of my favorite albums or
Speaker 4: a phenomenal album, I had to take it off this
Speaker 4: list because it's more player, or it's more drug dealing,
Speaker 4: or it's more whatever. If it's not you know, super
Speaker 4: gangster out then I was like, well, let me uh
Speaker 4: not include it.
Speaker 3: I feel you man. One of the things I kind
Speaker 3: of struggled with it's kind of like the same thing
Speaker 3: because what I had to do is really look at
Speaker 3: what gangster rap fields. In this essence, right, it's talking
Speaker 3: about criminal behavior, street shit. So my thing is this,
Speaker 3: I said, Okay, to be fair and objective. If you
Speaker 3: talk about selling dope, if you're talking about penpic and women,
Speaker 3: that's gangster shit.
Speaker 1: That's true.
Speaker 3: You know, it's you know, it's a criminal element, right,
Speaker 3: even though the culture didn't give that title to the genre.
Speaker 3: You know, in its essence truly yields is reality wrap
Speaker 3: street reporting. You know.
Speaker 1: You talk about that in my book, The History.
Speaker 3: The History of Gangster Rap yep. So that's what it is.
Speaker 3: Just a bunch of brothers talking about what they surveyed
Speaker 3: in their life and they you know, in their neighborhoods.
Speaker 3: I know that's you know, been a big debat and
Speaker 3: hip hop for the lungs. But this dude ain't really
Speaker 3: no gangster man. You know, he a nerd, he this
Speaker 3: and that. No, they don't have to be a gangster man.
Speaker 3: These guys are just as creative. You got to give
Speaker 3: him the same creative license that you give creative you know,
Speaker 3: Quentin Tarratino, Steven Spielberg and you know other great writer, visualizer,
Speaker 3: just creative people.
Speaker 4: I mean, to that point, that's what I wanted to
Speaker 4: do and illustrate with the History of Gangster Rap book
Speaker 4: that I have, which is really show like these dudes
Speaker 4: are geniuses as far as storytelling, as far as lyricism,
Speaker 4: as far as creating these atmosphere, these musical moments, this uh,
Speaker 4: brilliant material that we all know and love and that
Speaker 4: you know, if you look at the Titans of Gangster Rap,
Speaker 4: really the four pillars of it with Ice Tea, Ice Cube,
Speaker 4: Doctor Dre and Snoop Dogg, they're also for the biggest
Speaker 4: people in all of entertainment. So when you look at
Speaker 4: it from that perspective, not only is all four of
Speaker 4: the music transcended rap, but as people, as businessmen and
Speaker 4: as entertainers, they've also transcended rap and it all comes
Speaker 4: from gangster rap, and they all four are still doing
Speaker 4: it at a high level in their respective fields. And
Speaker 4: now I think that just shows the power gangster rap.
Speaker 3: You know, those four people you name, man, they've generated
Speaker 3: over a billion dollars in business easily, you know, and
Speaker 3: probably more like two.
Speaker 1: Big I was going to say closer to two.
Speaker 3: To know, definitely closer to two billion.
Speaker 4: So it's actually closer to three if you include all
Speaker 4: the movies, because right himself is more than a billion
Speaker 4: at the box office.
Speaker 1: You're right, man, And you know, or I think is
Speaker 1: more than a debt.
Speaker 3: Cube is probably the greatest gangster of all time, you know,
Speaker 3: top five easily.
Speaker 1: Cube is a bad man. That's an understatement.
Speaker 3: You know, he's a bad man. He's a bad man.
Speaker 3: It'll be on my list several times. Oh man, it's
Speaker 3: top fifty. Yeah, that's the thing we're letting you guys know. Now,
Speaker 3: there is definitely going to be multiple entries of certain artists, because,
Speaker 3: like they said, this is competition something, you know, and
Speaker 3: these guys they did it consistently. You know, some of
Speaker 3: these guys. I think ice Cube it wasn't a real,
Speaker 3: really long run because he really took off in the
Speaker 3: world of acting, but he wasn't a run man where
Speaker 3: pretty much. He controlled the game for a good seven
Speaker 3: eight years, man, and it was just like undeniably, Yeah,
Speaker 3: he was a bad man.
Speaker 4: The only people that would deny were some of the
Speaker 4: people in the media. But in reality, you know, that's
Speaker 4: starting with, of course his work with NWA, but then
Speaker 4: as a solo artist, I mean, Cube was dominant, prominent,
Speaker 4: selling out shows, selling lots of records, but more importantly
Speaker 4: driving what the music was going to be. It was
Speaker 4: his voice, his words, his style, his storytelling. All of
Speaker 4: that really changed the game.
Speaker 3: Yeah did, man. But with that being said, you know,
Speaker 3: you will probably wind up being one of those guys
Speaker 3: that gets his own episode as he should, you know.
Speaker 3: So let's get into your forty one through fifty man.
Speaker 3: I'm curious to see what you got.
Speaker 4: Cracking, all right, So we're doing one at a time.
Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about them or you.
Speaker 3: Just want to go talk about them too. See this list.
Speaker 1: Forty one through fifty.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're doing something different. We're going to ask you.
Speaker 3: Let you guys see the whole process of us putting
Speaker 3: this list together. We're not gonna be like these other
Speaker 3: lanes and just throw a bunch of bullshit out there
Speaker 3: and put some bad shit on there on purpose, just
Speaker 3: to spark debait and get some clicks and lights. You know,
Speaker 3: we're doing this because we really care about this shit,
Speaker 3: so we're gonna buy you guys in the process.
Speaker 4: So what I'll do then is all go from forty
Speaker 4: one to fifty alrighty yeah, Project Pat Getty Green.
Speaker 3: Let's talk about it a little bit.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 4: Project Pat's debut album, and you know, I got the
Speaker 4: book with Juicy J September fifth, Chronicles of the Juice Man.
Speaker 4: Of course, Juicy J DJ Paul produced the album together.
Speaker 4: And Project Pat I think is one literally one of
Speaker 4: the best rappers of all time.
Speaker 1: He's a phenomenal artist, very underrated.
Speaker 4: And the thing about Project Pat that he does and
Speaker 4: he starts on it with Geddy Green.
Speaker 1: He's got another album that's hired in this on my list.
Speaker 4: But Pat, I think it's such a brilliant artist because one,
Speaker 4: he's lived through all this stuff, so he's legitimate. Yeah,
Speaker 4: But beyond that, what makes Pat so great to me
Speaker 4: is that he really dissects like ice Tea was the
Speaker 4: first one I remember in Ice ice Cube, even schooy
Speaker 4: D did it and caris one, but they showed you
Speaker 4: the pitt and the downfall of the game, and Project
Speaker 4: pad on Geddy Green starts off with that you got Backstabbers,
Speaker 4: you got? I mean that just shows you right there.
Speaker 4: He's got a crucial conflict on there. But you know
Speaker 4: out there's a great song North Memphis Choices Choppers of course, ballers.
Speaker 4: But Pat has the humor, he's got the street tails,
Speaker 4: and he's got the super gangsterism, but then also showing
Speaker 4: you the pitfalls of the game and the way he
Speaker 4: does it his phraseology is terminology is just phenomenal.
Speaker 1: And I think Geddy Green is one of.
Speaker 4: Those albums that because there's so many great albums, I
Speaker 4: think now you know, it came out in ninety nine,
Speaker 4: and that was also the year, one of those years
Speaker 4: where rap exploded on the charts and all this stuff
Speaker 4: to a lot of the big records that came out
Speaker 4: also in ninety nine and ninety eight, so I think
Speaker 4: it kind of got lost a little bit, but not
Speaker 4: to me, you know, Geddy Green phenomenal.
Speaker 1: Project.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I also had that on my list, but I'll
Speaker 3: let you continue, Okay.
Speaker 1: Then I got schooy D Smoked Some Kill.
Speaker 4: This is his third album, but it's his first album
Speaker 4: where his picture was actually on the cover and you
Speaker 4: got another poem, same white Bitch, Should we go again?
Speaker 4: Black Man Treacherous? And this album I think is so
Speaker 4: important because.
Speaker 1: Musically Schoolly de created gangster rap.
Speaker 4: You know, really, I'd say that he had done it
Speaker 4: before with Gangster Boogi in his earlier records, but of course, PSK,
Speaker 4: what does it mean to me is the beginning against
Speaker 4: the rap. You know, it influenced Iced Tea to make
Speaker 4: six in the Morning in the way that he did.
Speaker 4: But with Smoke Some Kill, Schoolly had changed from the
Speaker 4: schooly D album that came out in eighty five Saturday Night,
Speaker 4: the album which came out in eighty six when he
Speaker 4: gets to jive and puts out in eighty eight, Smoke
Speaker 4: Some Kill his production and he produced all of his music,
Speaker 4: so he was to me also really the first rapper producer,
Speaker 4: and Smoked Some Kill he evolved his sound. He changed
Speaker 4: and was still telling all these street stories, talking about drugs,
Speaker 4: talking about being on the corners and all this different
Speaker 4: stuff as he had done before, but he added he
Speaker 4: always sprinkled it in and I think on Smoke Some
Speaker 4: Kill he started doing it more and more the political commentary,
Speaker 4: the social commentary exactly. And we get a lot more
Speaker 4: that with his next album and I Black Enough for You,
Speaker 4: But that one I think toned down on the gangster
Speaker 4: asm a little mit. So I put Smoke Some Kill,
Speaker 4: which to me is more stream, more gangster. Then I'm
Speaker 4: gonna go with Ice Cubes the Predator when when they
Speaker 4: shoot it was a good day, who got the camera?
Speaker 3: All these songs, hold on, let me go back? So
Speaker 3: you got it was a good day in the bottom
Speaker 3: in the last team.
Speaker 1: Well for the whole album, for the whole album.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was a big album. Man, I had that
Speaker 3: raty to look higher. Well that's a tough but I'm
Speaker 3: not mad at it though, because Cubes gonna have multiple
Speaker 3: entries do this thing. I'm pretty sure he is.
Speaker 4: And the other thing that I'll say about it is,
Speaker 4: to me, Smoke Some Kill. The production is just so amazing.
Speaker 4: And I'm only talking about a few songs.
Speaker 1: Here and there.
Speaker 4: And I think that The Predator coming off of America's
Speaker 4: or excuse me, coming off that certificate, I was just
Speaker 4: to me, that certificate is going to be way higher
Speaker 4: on the list. So we'll talk in detail about that
Speaker 4: later as is America's most wanted and I just thought
Speaker 4: The Predator, as amazing as it is, is a distinct
Speaker 4: It's not as good as those two albums.
Speaker 3: It's very different.
Speaker 4: It's a lot more, very different, very commercial, well sonically especially,
Speaker 4: it's it's very and even lyrically. There's a lot of
Speaker 4: different things going on on it that I think show
Speaker 4: again Cubes brilliant. But I also think it's a very
Speaker 4: different album in so many different ways. And again, to
Speaker 4: make in the.
Speaker 1: Top forties, that's pretty that's a tall, tall order.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it is. I believe it's fair. Yeah, that's a
Speaker 3: fair assessment. I'm not mad at that.
Speaker 4: And then we're gonna get to DJ Quick with Safe
Speaker 4: and Sound.
Speaker 3: That one.
Speaker 4: Quick's got multiple entries on here for me too, and
Speaker 4: I remember, obviously a super gang banging, but I remember,
Speaker 4: you know, he's got to get at me save a
Speaker 4: salad dollars and cents, of course. But I also remember,
Speaker 4: and I've talked to Quick about this many times over
Speaker 4: the years, and I've written about it with him. You know,
Speaker 4: this was during one of the he made this album
Speaker 4: during one of the darkest, most frustrating times of his life,
Speaker 4: and that's reflected in the music. It's very angry and
Speaker 4: it's not as bright as say Rhythmalism or even Quick
Speaker 4: as the name for that matter, And.
Speaker 3: The album's kind of melancholy and dark little it's very
Speaker 3: not kind of it's extremely it's a dark album. But
Speaker 3: that being said, it's still brilliant and amazing and shows that,
Speaker 3: you know, at this point when you're getting two three
Speaker 3: albums in like schooly D, like ice Cube and like
Speaker 3: DJ quickar to me, that's just showing their brilliance because
Speaker 3: at this point in the early and then with the
Speaker 3: Safe and Sound being ninety five, you're getting into the
Speaker 3: mid nineties. So gangster rap created in eighty five exploded
Speaker 3: in eighty eight eighty nine, So now we have a
Speaker 3: six seven years after its real explosion. And so yeah,
Speaker 3: next I got a DJ Quick Safe and Sound, you know,
Speaker 3: just coming into ninety four ninety five era.
Speaker 1: You know, at me Safe and Sound.
Speaker 4: Dollars and Cents or some of my favorite tracks on there,
Speaker 4: and I think that you know, this is getting into
Speaker 4: being quick third album. It was released during one of
Speaker 4: the more frustrating difficulty times in his life, as having
Speaker 4: talked to spent a lot of time Quick over the years.
Speaker 4: I know that he was going through a lot personally,
Speaker 4: you know, as he talked about and just like Compton,
Speaker 4: you know, a lot was going on in the road professionally,
Speaker 4: he was learning a lot about the game, but then
Speaker 4: he was dealing with a lot of personal strife. And
Speaker 4: that I think you can feel in Safe and Sound
Speaker 4: because it's a very angry, very melancholy, very frustrated album.
Speaker 4: And for me, you know, that definitely comes through musically,
Speaker 4: but I think that doesn't take away from.
Speaker 1: The power of the project.
Speaker 3: It was very dope aunt.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and like Schoolyde, Quick produced himself, so I think
Speaker 4: that to me just shows his brilliance and likes schooly
Speaker 4: D like an ice tea, like an ice cube.
Speaker 1: Now that you're getting into the late and mid I.
Speaker 4: Mean really the mid nineteen nineties, to have three four
Speaker 4: or five albums like Quick, ice Cube and sque D
Speaker 4: Had a Nice Tea, even that's just showing you that
Speaker 4: what they're doing is working, it's resonating with the fans,
Speaker 4: and the power of the music is.
Speaker 1: Really really out there because.
Speaker 4: There these guys are the ones that are really putting
Speaker 4: in motion what's going on in a lot of the
Speaker 4: rest of the country and changing how people wrap. And
Speaker 4: I think Quick had that, you know, from his aesthetic,
Speaker 4: the way he dressed, his style and everything. He just
Speaker 4: he brought a different level of gangsterism to the game. Man.
Speaker 3: Well, DJ Quick as a superstar.
Speaker 1: That's that's an understable star.
Speaker 3: You know, just from the guys live performances. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 3: a big judge of live performances. I can't stand the
Speaker 3: dudes that get go on stage and just kind of
Speaker 3: just stand up there where they got five hundred people
Speaker 3: behind him. You know, Quick as a great performer, and
Speaker 3: he's one of the few people that produces just as
Speaker 3: good as he wrapped. He raps just as good as
Speaker 3: he produces. Well, he's a one producer and he's a
Speaker 3: one rapper.
Speaker 1: I think he is.
Speaker 4: I said this on his unsung if you haven't seen it,
Speaker 4: but I'm quoted on there because I said and I
Speaker 4: told him many times, but I think he is the
Speaker 4: best rapper producer ever.
Speaker 3: Oh, he is of all time because he writes his own,
Speaker 3: he pins his own wraps. He don't have no ghost
Speaker 3: right or no.
Speaker 1: I've been in the studio when he's read it and
Speaker 1: recorded it.
Speaker 3: So I've seen I've had the pleasure of being you know,
Speaker 3: with him in the studio and seeing him work. It's
Speaker 3: almost like seeing the heart surge. And this particular zeal
Speaker 3: is because he had bringing down everything on the SSL.
Speaker 1: Is this when you were with High Seeding?
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is when I was. I see yep, when
Speaker 3: I was going the road with High seeing those guys,
Speaker 3: you know, that's those guys gain my breaking industry man,
Speaker 3: that whole camp.
Speaker 1: That's why I brought it up.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So, but just you know, having the opportunity to
Speaker 3: be in there with him and just see him spend
Speaker 3: hours on the snare to just really just be like
Speaker 3: an I've seen him make the most incredible beats and
Speaker 3: just say I don't like it and just throw the
Speaker 3: shit away, like like literally a racing and you'll be
Speaker 3: looking like, what the fuck? Man? That just sounded like
Speaker 3: some alien shit like just her man, this dude just erasing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, when you're a genius, I guess you can
Speaker 1: do that.
Speaker 3: He's definitely a genius.
Speaker 4: Okay, So my next album is gonna be iced Tea's
Speaker 4: freedom of speech. Just watch what you say lethal weapons
Speaker 4: on there? You played yourself is on there, and I
Speaker 4: think Iced Tea is one of the best rappers of
Speaker 4: all time.
Speaker 3: Or one of the greats for sure.
Speaker 4: I think he's criminally no pun intended, but criminally underrated.
Speaker 4: And I think that you know, you Play Yourself and
Speaker 4: he Iced Tea, I think is the master of showing
Speaker 4: the pitfalls of the game but also the highs.
Speaker 1: Of the game.
Speaker 4: And I think he was and remains the best of that.
Speaker 4: And I think the freedom of speech of album is
Speaker 4: coming where Rapp was under a lot of attack.
Speaker 1: This is eighty nine.
Speaker 4: You know, NWA had exploded, Easy had exploded, schooly D
Speaker 4: had been successful, Ice had been successful coming off the
Speaker 4: Power album is a I think best selling album all
Speaker 4: the time. And the reality is Ice was like, you know,
Speaker 4: just watch what you say. You can say whatever you
Speaker 4: want to say.
Speaker 3: We're in America.
Speaker 4: But at the same time, there's gonna be repercussions, There's
Speaker 4: gonna be things that are gonna happen to you. And
Speaker 4: I think this album really kind of got on that.
Speaker 4: And You Played Yourself is another one of those cautionary
Speaker 4: tales that Ice I think is one of the best
Speaker 4: at doing and really showing like Ice Cube did schooy
Speaker 4: d did so many people did that are the best,
Speaker 4: like the Might, the DJ Quicks of the world, the
Speaker 4: Project Pats of the world.
Speaker 1: They show you the downfall of the game.
Speaker 4: And you know, I also think that Ice ICE's creativity
Speaker 4: and his playerrism was on full effect on this album
Speaker 4: as well.
Speaker 1: And you know, we get to send the kid popping.
Speaker 4: Up a little bit, and it's just a great album.
Speaker 1: This one is a little hard for me to rank
Speaker 1: this low.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I want to go back to Ice teat
Speaker 3: real quick because I had the pleasure of meeting Darlene
Speaker 3: right here last week. Oh you know, you know, we
Speaker 3: took a picture and everything, and I was telling her
Speaker 3: about because you know, I thought it was so cool
Speaker 3: that he put his own woman on the album cover.
Speaker 3: And she said that Ice, he didn't want to do nothing.
Speaker 3: Everything had to be authentic. As a matter of fact,
Speaker 3: he said, I didn't know you could lie. So he said,
Speaker 3: you know, the idea of him having some chicken he
Speaker 3: didn't know on his album cover and wearing juryty wasn't
Speaker 3: he is? He said, Man, I got all that shit
Speaker 3: for real, I'm gonna wear it on an album. Can
Speaker 3: wear my shit?
Speaker 4: Well, Ice has told me many times that, you know,
Speaker 4: Russell Simmons had come to see him perform early in
Speaker 4: his career, and he didn't know that Ice that particular performance.
Speaker 4: Ice didn't know he was going to be performing, so
Speaker 4: he just went on wearing what he was wearing. And
Speaker 4: he told me that Russell Simmons told him that's your
Speaker 4: look because that's who you are. You don't need to
Speaker 4: dress like you're from New York or anything else. You're
Speaker 4: an LA street dude and you're a fly player like dude.
Speaker 4: That's that's your image. Don't change it.
Speaker 3: Ice T was very influential, man, because when you know,
Speaker 3: back in the day, they used to wear these silk
Speaker 3: suits out here man with the like silk shirt. I
Speaker 3: saw Ice T had that on. Man. The first thing
Speaker 3: I did when I hit California is I wanted to
Speaker 3: swap meet. Bought me two or threeoms those look I
Speaker 3: don't know if they was real silk, but I looked
Speaker 3: like him, and I got me to look chain with
Speaker 3: the Uzie on it. I had a baby first though.
Speaker 3: That motherfucker was the flyes dude. Whatever, man, but I'll
Speaker 3: let you continue.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Ice is by far one of the greatest rappers
Speaker 4: ever the next one. It's hard to put this a
Speaker 4: little bit low, but I think many of the albums
Speaker 4: that were discussing and gonna be throughout the series, the
Speaker 4: productionists held up so much, and I think this one
Speaker 4: parts of it haven't, which is why it's a little
Speaker 4: bit lower to me, which is criminal minded.
Speaker 1: By booking out productions.
Speaker 3: You got a lot of records I got ranked higher
Speaker 3: than the forties, and you got them in the bottom part.
Speaker 3: Your list would be a motherfucker.
Speaker 4: It is it is. But of course this is a
Speaker 4: brilliant album and Karis one to me is top five
Speaker 4: rappers of all time.
Speaker 1: But you know, this album really showed.
Speaker 4: Gangster rap from the East Coast perspective, especially through the
Speaker 4: title track. Nine Milimeter Goes Bang is another one, and
Speaker 4: that song in particular, being from Maryland and listening to
Speaker 4: a lot of Go Go growing up, that was a
Speaker 4: big song that they made into a go Go song,
Speaker 4: Nine Milimeter Goes Bang, So you know that had an
Speaker 4: extra layer and it just showed like this music from
Speaker 4: the South. Bronx is resonating all the way down in
Speaker 4: DC and being on an independent label be Boy Records
Speaker 4: and Karris, you know, they didn't have at least to
Speaker 4: my knowledge, they never have any videos for this or anything.
Speaker 1: It was just like pure word of mouth.
Speaker 3: It was just all word of mouth.
Speaker 4: And this album is a masterpiece. But then you get
Speaker 4: like Poetry and Elementary and all these other records that
Speaker 4: are not Gangster rep and karas One who have had
Speaker 4: the pleasure of meeting and interviewing and hanging out with
Speaker 4: the number of time over the years. You know, the
Speaker 4: harder Streeter stuff. Gangster stuff was more Scott LaRock and
Speaker 4: karas One was much more on the poetry to Elementary
Speaker 4: and that's what you see starting, you know, on the
Speaker 4: next album, which is why the rest of will get
Speaker 4: on productions. And then Karris Wan's music as a solo
Speaker 4: artist is so different because that wasn't what who karas
Speaker 4: One is or what he wanted to represent.
Speaker 1: He wanted to be the.
Speaker 4: Stop the violence guy, the self destruction guy, and you know,
Speaker 4: that's my philosophy guy. And that's why, you know, the
Speaker 4: subsequent albums sounds so different, but it's a masterpiece. It's
Speaker 4: just the production. I think then age as well, so
Speaker 4: I had to for me, at least when I'm looking
Speaker 4: at the totality of these projects. I'm trying to you know,
Speaker 4: I'm as objective as possible, and I just that's the
Speaker 4: one thing that dinged it down and got it a
Speaker 4: little lower than me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what, His beach don't really didn't really
Speaker 3: hold it up over time compared to a lot of
Speaker 3: other stuff, you know, now, that one and I think
Speaker 3: you got to think about it. He was on one
Speaker 3: of the probably worst record labels at that time. They
Speaker 3: put out a lot of pivotal albums. But like I was,
Speaker 3: that's the same label. I believe EPMD was on the
Speaker 3: first Sleeping Bag Records.
Speaker 1: Right, No, they were on B Boy Records for Criminal Minded.
Speaker 4: Okay, so Sleeping Bag had just Ice at epm D,
Speaker 4: at Steezel at Manta. Right, you're right hugely, but B
Speaker 4: Boy Records mainly had Looking Out productions, JVC Force and
Speaker 4: Sparky D.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's Sparky D. What's funny about the album?
Speaker 4: Man?
Speaker 3: I remember I think Carris One only made like five
Speaker 3: thousand dollars off the album.
Speaker 1: Man, it wasn't surprised me.
Speaker 3: You made like five g's off a classical album. It's crazy,
Speaker 3: all right, go ahead, So I'm sorry.
Speaker 4: So next, we're going to get into one of our
Speaker 4: personal favorites, and a great album is the Convicts album. Uh,
Speaker 4: Big Mic and three two just killing this. This for
Speaker 4: the convicts, the one nine hundred dollar Crook. It's hilarious.
Speaker 3: Penitentiary blues Man, Illegal Aliens. They put out a legal
Speaker 3: Aliens today, man, I'm doing.
Speaker 1: They wouldn't be able to put that song out today.
Speaker 3: They couldn't do it. Everybody is so sensitive now. But
Speaker 3: you know what, I'm not going to say I agreed
Speaker 3: with everything they said in that song necessarily, but the
Speaker 3: stance that they were coming from, they were all most
Speaker 3: on some real textas patriotic shit, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: It's like Texas is its own country. But I think
Speaker 4: this album, as you and I both know, it's a
Speaker 4: shame that the Convicts only did the one album because
Speaker 4: Big Mike, of course later with the Ghetto Boys and
Speaker 4: later as a solo artist, is a phenomenal talent. And
Speaker 4: then three to two, you know, unfortunately didn't didn't get
Speaker 4: to make as much music, but.
Speaker 3: He's very They almost wond up on different riggords, you
Speaker 3: know that.
Speaker 1: Right of course they were out here making the chronic.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they almost wound up on different ricords. Man, I
Speaker 3: talked to Big Mike about it all the time.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I did an interview with him and we talked
Speaker 4: about that on my Unique Access Entertainment channel on YouTube.
Speaker 4: But the reality is this album is amazing, and I
Speaker 4: think it just shows Peterman of course is on there too,
Speaker 4: but it just it's amazing. But I think it's it's
Speaker 4: a very well rounded album.
Speaker 3: And storytelling and everything on there. Big Mike showed his
Speaker 3: ass as was three.
Speaker 4: Two, yeah, and the next one, And this is one
Speaker 4: of those things I was mentioning earlier that UGK could
Speaker 4: and maybe arguably should have more entries. But I think
Speaker 4: Riding Dirty is the most gangster album because Dirty Money
Speaker 4: I love and has so many great songs, but I
Speaker 4: think that Riding Dirty is the one. You know, one
Speaker 4: day murdered Diamond Wood. That's why I carry like these
Speaker 4: these are straight super gangsterism type of songs, and it
Speaker 4: just shows, you know, one of the things that I
Speaker 4: love about rap is getting all these different perspectives. So like,
Speaker 4: if you're looking at the people I've been mentioning, like
Speaker 4: Project Pat, Memphis, schooly D, Philadelphia, Ice Cube, La, DJ
Speaker 4: Quick Compton, iced T South Central, We'll get out production
Speaker 4: South Bronx, and you got the Convicts from well Big
Speaker 4: Mike from New Orleans originally but then relocating to Houston,
Speaker 4: and then three two in Houston. But then we get
Speaker 4: to UGK with Port Arthur, PA. And that's the thing
Speaker 4: that I love in that just coincidentally my list really
Speaker 4: represents is that getting all these different voices, all these
Speaker 4: different street tails from all over the country and these
Speaker 4: are now in different errors. You know, some of my
Speaker 4: stuff is from the eighties, some of it's from the nineties,
Speaker 4: So it's just showing you know, rap growing, developing, rap,
Speaker 4: you know, evolving.
Speaker 1: And I think that.
Speaker 4: Bunby and PIMC, of course had phenomenal chemistry. Another self
Speaker 4: produced group largely done by PIMC, of course, But I
Speaker 4: just think that their storytelling and their perspective was very,
Speaker 4: very distinctive and really uh broke things down in a
Speaker 4: different way from a different perspective than we really had had.
Speaker 4: And it's hard for me to only put one, but
Speaker 4: like I said, I think Ryding Dirty is the most
Speaker 4: street gangster album that they had, So that's the one
Speaker 4: I think is the best.
Speaker 3: Match for sure. I hope y'all appreciate what we're doing
Speaker 3: right now, because what we're doing for as much as
Speaker 3: we're putting our list together in real time in front
Speaker 3: of you guys, because I'm over here writing things down,
Speaker 3: because we got some unanimous choices across the board. But me,
Speaker 3: I have multiple entries with UGK, that's one of my artists.
Speaker 3: I got multiple entries in What's Your Next one?
Speaker 1: Man?
Speaker 4: The next one is hard because I look at two
Speaker 4: these albums similar, but I'm gonna go with the East
Speaker 4: Siders producer and trays.
Speaker 1: The old fashioned way.
Speaker 4: I had them higher because I think this album, oh Man, Trady,
Speaker 4: Godi Locan, of course, Snoop do such a phenomenal job.
Speaker 1: Nate Dogg is all on it, buta Toya Williams is
Speaker 1: on them multiple times.
Speaker 3: What's your favorite song on there?
Speaker 4: I mean, crip Hop Connected, East Side Riders. Those are
Speaker 4: probably three of my favorites, so it's hard to say
Speaker 4: my favorite song. I love it, of course, was a
Speaker 4: big single Doghouse in Your Mouth. I mean, it's just
Speaker 4: so many great songs on this album.
Speaker 3: I like Doghouse in your Mouth, sugar Free, Kiel.
Speaker 1: That shit, did he ever?
Speaker 3: Yeah, sugar Free destroyed that.
Speaker 4: So this album, I think Goldie Lok is great, and
Speaker 4: Trey D has continued to be such a phenomenal rapper
Speaker 4: and put out so much material. I know he's got
Speaker 4: new material out now. To tray D, I think is
Speaker 4: one of those artists. For whatever reason, I don't think
Speaker 4: the masses really understand and appreciate what a great artist trade.
Speaker 3: He is as lyrically, he's very visual with his lyrics
Speaker 3: extremely because I even listen to him on Glass. You
Speaker 3: got a song with Glasses where you say it what homicide,
Speaker 3: come align them bags up, and it was just like
Speaker 3: so I said, damn this motherfuckers really like the West
Speaker 3: Coast Crip version of rock Kim.
Speaker 1: No, he is phenomenal, you know.
Speaker 4: Actually it's funny you say that because on my Unique
Speaker 4: Access people should check it out. We did a Best
Speaker 4: Album's episode where I talked to him about his favorite
Speaker 4: album and he did Paid in Full, So Eric being
Speaker 4: rock Kim is Paid in Full is his favorite album?
Speaker 4: Talk about that in general. So it's funny you just
Speaker 4: bring up him about being a West Coast He.
Speaker 3: Gues cadence is kind of similar to rock Heems, you know,
Speaker 3: because he's a Margs and the Margan guy. You know,
Speaker 3: he just spitting man like when he said that shit,
Speaker 3: he said, I forget it, verbating what he said. He said,
Speaker 3: not he's scared to hang out. Niggas know we did.
Speaker 3: We screamed insane out, you know, like not he scared
Speaker 3: to hang out. And I was like, Damn, this is
Speaker 3: a bad motherfucker. He's very underrated man, severely underrated.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think Trady is one of the most underrated
Speaker 4: rappers ever and I think he's an immense talent, giant
Speaker 4: in the game.
Speaker 3: He was man one of my favorite rappers for sure.
Speaker 4: And I think there was in Trey's old fashioned way. Ironically,
Speaker 4: the first album is self titled debut album, was more popular,
Speaker 4: sold more and all that other stuff. But I think
Speaker 4: this album is actually better. I think it's They're both
Speaker 4: have spectacular moments and they're both great.
Speaker 1: But I think and trade. I just I don't know,
Speaker 1: I just I.
Speaker 4: Really really think the production. So now number fifty, the
Speaker 4: last one on my list is a Snoop DOGG No Limit,
Speaker 4: Top Dog.
Speaker 3: No Limit, Top Dog. I had to hire.
Speaker 4: Too now this album. If you haven't hired and you know, bitch,
Speaker 4: please buck them. Down for my ends. Snoop of Fella.
Speaker 4: There's so many songs on here, but the most impressive
Speaker 4: thing to me about it is to me, Snoop as
Speaker 4: Glass as that I have talked about. I'm sure you
Speaker 4: and Glass have talked about. That's he thinks it's the
Speaker 4: best rapper as the best catalog, and I think No
Speaker 4: Limit Top Dog. You know, coming from dog Father and
Speaker 4: the first No Limited album, people were kind of like, eh,
Speaker 4: I don't know about Snoop as much. But then when
Speaker 4: he came back with No One Limit Top Dog, I
Speaker 4: had never lost faith in Snoop because I had been
Speaker 4: around him and I knew what was happening during this time.
Speaker 4: And then when I went I happened to go to
Speaker 4: his house and he played me to him and a
Speaker 4: little me talk dog. Uh this is when he used
Speaker 4: to stay in Claremont, and I was like, I couldn't
Speaker 4: believe it. Still, I was just like, this album is bananas,
Speaker 4: and you know Buckham being toward the front of the
Speaker 4: album sticky Fingers was you know, I knew he was
Speaker 4: rumored to be on Aftermath or was on Aftermath collaborating
Speaker 4: with Aftermath, but to hear how he and Snoop worked
Speaker 4: so well together, exhibited exploding on Bitch Please, super Flies
Speaker 4: on there, I mean, sugar Freeze on the album.
Speaker 1: It's just it's a.
Speaker 3: Real dope album. It's amazing, and it was Snoop kind
Speaker 3: of saying I'm still here.
Speaker 4: Not only that, but I'm as good as I've ever been.
Speaker 3: But was crazy about it. Man, dog Father took a
Speaker 3: lot of flack and I heard, you know, I remember
Speaker 3: hearing whispers through the enemy, you know, through the whole
Speaker 3: industry today was trying to get rid of Snoop and
Speaker 3: I was and that was really befuddled because of that,
Speaker 3: because that shit sold like two or three million albums.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was definitely.
Speaker 3: I didn't know what the problem was. I was like,
Speaker 3: why are they getting while trying to get rid of Snoop?
Speaker 4: Well know, but to this point with no of them
Speaker 4: at Top Dog coming out in nineteen ninety nine, you know,
Speaker 4: Snoop coming out with deep Cover, then being the start
Speaker 4: the Chronic and then Doggy Style, that's you know, ninety
Speaker 4: two to ninety nine, that's you know, seven years, but
Speaker 4: really eight years. And it's like, dude, to be to
Speaker 4: quote unquote to have people feel that you fell off,
Speaker 4: and then eight years later you're like, have the with
Speaker 4: Bitch Please. In particular, you got the biggest song in
Speaker 4: rap exact probably or one of the biggest songs at
Speaker 4: the time, and that's through the Reunite Reuniting with Dre.
Speaker 4: It's just so much going on on this album, and
Speaker 4: I was just like, people don't know, man.
Speaker 3: But him and Doctor Dre are definitely peanut buttering Shelley.
Speaker 3: Whenever I see them two get together, I don't care
Speaker 3: what time period of seeing I'm betting on them dudes,
Speaker 3: as you should, because they're going to come out with
Speaker 3: some shit that's just gonna ship the whole coach all
Speaker 3: the time.
Speaker 1: All right, So that's mine. What about you are?
Speaker 3: Still? Okay? We got a lot of the same ones,
Speaker 3: the stuff that you already had on your list that
Speaker 3: we went over. I'm not going to go on a
Speaker 3: you know, a long time about it or whatever, because
Speaker 3: we already talked about it. I'll be very brief. My
Speaker 3: number one is Big Mike and Lord three to the Convicts.
Speaker 1: All right, Oh for forty one, for forty one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, for forty one. That's my forty one right there.
Speaker 3: My next one is Schoolly de smokes and kill.
Speaker 1: All right, you know, I guess you know me, you
Speaker 1: that's the same.
Speaker 3: Actually, you know me, You and eight all voted than
Speaker 3: that one. Right. My number three album is Easy. Easy
Speaker 3: doesn't not my favorite one over here, but it's kind
Speaker 3: of just.
Speaker 1: The honest A lot higher with Easy, doesn't.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I'm pretty sure yours is higher. But
Speaker 3: I say that because Easy is almost like you know,
Speaker 3: schooly D is the godfather of gains the rep, but
Speaker 3: Easy is the godfather between him and ice T. I
Speaker 3: gotta give to ice T first, but I got an
Speaker 3: ice T way up higher too. He has multiple entries,
Speaker 3: by the way, but he is my forty three. My
Speaker 3: forty four is my man, Project Betpack Getty Green. You know,
Speaker 3: even though he got the pat the sketch the from
Speaker 3: my bay Ball, I think he perfected it. And he's
Speaker 3: severely underrated. Man. He's one of the greatest storytellers in
Speaker 3: hip hop. Pat is for sure, No Patty is man.
Speaker 3: Go out and check out Project Pat. Don't sleep on
Speaker 3: my guy. My forty five is the Dayton Family. You know,
Speaker 3: my Midwest cast. You know the Dayton shout out. You
Speaker 3: know what's on my mind. Number forty six for Me
Speaker 3: is Trick Daddy based on a true story, forty seven
Speaker 3: above the Low, Black Moth Your Life forty eight, Koogie
Speaker 3: Rap four five six. You know, I think this I
Speaker 3: could have rated this higher, but Koogie Rap is just
Speaker 3: one of the greatest lyricists of all time, one of
Speaker 3: the greatest rappers of all time. Doesn't necessarily make the
Speaker 3: greatest albums though.
Speaker 4: Well, I got Cooled You Wrap a different album higher,
Speaker 4: so he'll be on my list, but for a different project.
Speaker 3: But he's definitely one. He's definitely and I.
Speaker 4: Got The Black Mafia Life higher too, so we'll be
Speaker 4: seeing yeah.
Speaker 3: See so yeah, that's one of the ones that we
Speaker 3: got to write down that's in there, you know, Automatic Entry.
Speaker 3: I kind of struggled with this one because I love him.
Speaker 3: I love him as an artist, but he is not
Speaker 3: consistent at all. Was that mc ringing, Shock at the Hour?
Speaker 4: Shot at the Hours phenomenal? And I think Ruthless Villain
Speaker 4: and Ruthless for Life. Really those three albums I think
Speaker 4: are all excellent projects. And Shot at the Hour I
Speaker 4: just remember, you know, Bob Catechors did a lot of
Speaker 4: work on there too.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was the staff producer at that time. You know,
Speaker 3: after Drede left, Easy got with him because he was
Speaker 3: doing a lot of stuff with Rhythm D and those guys.
Speaker 3: You know, he had continued doing a Rhythm D and
Speaker 3: there with Bob was kind of running the whole staff
Speaker 3: over there.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Well, Bobcat, as you and I have talked about many
Speaker 4: times over the years, to me, if not one of
Speaker 4: the most underrated producers, but he's a phenomenal producer. Some
Speaker 4: of his stuff's gonna show up elsewhere on my list.
Speaker 1: But oh for sure, I think that shot at the hour.
Speaker 4: I think Wren Again, it's hard for me to say
Speaker 4: he's underrated because he's in NWA and because kiss My
Speaker 4: Black Ass was a platinum EP, But I think mc
Speaker 4: wren is still underrated, and I think that, you know,
Speaker 4: I think it's just because when you come from basically
Speaker 4: the Beatles are rap and you got Ice Cube and
Speaker 4: Doctor Dre and Easy, that it's like you could be
Speaker 4: an All Star on the All Star team, but it's
Speaker 4: just tough.
Speaker 3: Well, you know the thing about it, he had to
Speaker 3: battle all those other guys, celebrity you know, Doctor Dre,
Speaker 3: who was like, who's been the best producer in hip hop,
Speaker 3: like at Forever, you know, Forever, you know, you got
Speaker 3: easy who's very polarizing, right, you know, he just had
Speaker 3: that risk and he was you know, he was interesting.
Speaker 3: You know because I first heard him, he thought it
Speaker 3: was a sixteen year old kid or something like that.
Speaker 1: You remember, he made the little things, he made a joke, and.
Speaker 3: I thought the motherfucker was really sixteen. For the bongs,
Speaker 3: I was like, who is this bad motherfucker man going
Speaker 3: on cussing everybody out? I just thought it was a
Speaker 3: trip man. But my last and final one, I wanted
Speaker 3: to put this higher. This is a group that has
Speaker 3: multiple entries in my list. I picked UGK super Tight.
Speaker 1: That was another one that.
Speaker 4: Was I was trying to figure out UGK and how
Speaker 4: to properly salute and uh present them. But super Tight
Speaker 4: is super tight, so I have no no problems there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know. So if you look at this, we
Speaker 3: pretty much almost our lists.
Speaker 4: Were identical, very very similar, very similar, even though.
Speaker 3: He had some steps through me off. But that's what
Speaker 3: these things do. I think everybody should speak from the
Speaker 3: hard on because it's not all about record sales all
Speaker 3: the time. Because as you know, being a you know, writer,
Speaker 3: you know, writing for hip hop as long as you
Speaker 3: have marketing plays a big part.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, look like, for example, both of us
Speaker 1: have The Convicts and you got Dayton Family.
Speaker 4: I've interviewed Dayton Family, and you know I got Bootleg
Speaker 4: on Unique Access Entertainment. But the reality is Dayton Family
Speaker 4: put out a lot of great music and the Convicts
Speaker 4: both through Too and Big Mic. But then as the Convicts,
Speaker 4: that's a great project that definitely didn't sell a lot
Speaker 4: of units. It definitely wasn't known by most people. I
Speaker 4: would argue, but it's amazing fifty three or something like that,
Speaker 4: and the rap charts the Convicts autum on R and B.
Speaker 1: It wouldn't it wouldn't surprise me.
Speaker 3: So but problem that was almost from word of mouth.
Speaker 4: And that's why I'm glad we're framing it in the
Speaker 4: way of this is like purely about the art, and
Speaker 4: I think that to show that the Convicts their album
Speaker 4: is so amazing and really set the stage for especially
Speaker 4: Big Mic to really blow up as a solo artist
Speaker 4: and as a member of the Ghetto Boys. But it
Speaker 4: just shows you that this type of stuff, man, really,
Speaker 4: really it is all about the art. When we're talking
Speaker 4: about it because the convicts wouldn't be on here if
Speaker 4: we only cared about record sales or if that was
Speaker 4: such a big point of it.
Speaker 1: So I'm glad we're doing it this way.
Speaker 3: Well, it can't be just about record sales, man, because
Speaker 3: like I said, master Piece sold a lot of albums
Speaker 3: back then, a lot of albums. And I had master
Speaker 3: Pe ice cream Man initially in my bottom fifty and
Speaker 3: I made it ih oa because I just, you know,
Speaker 3: it's all about impact to me. Master P really when
Speaker 3: he came in the game and we just kind of
Speaker 3: give him a preview for what may see next week.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you have previewed the remixes, but
Speaker 1: I think.
Speaker 3: Master P man for with it. He pretty much usher
Speaker 3: in the era of the hustler, of the true hust
Speaker 3: the dude that says, you know what, motherfuckers might. He
Speaker 3: sounded like a real New Orld language dude, you know
Speaker 3: what I mean. He sounded like he was a dude
Speaker 3: really from down there for New Orleans, you know. He
Speaker 3: sounded like one of them more boys, you know, for real, right,
Speaker 3: And it was just a different sounds. So I dug it.
Speaker 3: He wasn't the most. You know, it's not like you
Speaker 3: know when you hear NOAs I didn't exactly listen to
Speaker 3: master p because you know, to get exercise and lyricism, no,
Speaker 3: you know, but it was just some good old fashioned
Speaker 3: hood shit.
Speaker 4: And that's the other thing I think that's important about
Speaker 4: this list and just discussing rap. Everything's not about always
Speaker 4: got to have these like supreme lyrics, you know, it's
Speaker 4: about the music, about the like I was saying, criminal Minded,
Speaker 4: like some of those, it's the vibe, and it's the production,
Speaker 4: it's the feel. And you know, I'm sure as we
Speaker 4: get going, we're all going to have more stuff with
Speaker 4: Doctor dre produced. But when you see that like that
Speaker 4: just shows you the power and the importance of production.
Speaker 4: And that's why, you know, a lot of these records
Speaker 4: as we get into the top, you know, get into
Speaker 4: the thirties and above, like, you know, you gotta have
Speaker 4: the great lyrics, you gotta have the great stories, you
Speaker 4: gotta have the great production, you gotta have all these
Speaker 4: elements that make it timeless music, which is why we're
Speaker 4: talking about it exactly.
Speaker 3: And as you see having half any ice ta in
Speaker 3: my bottom, you know, my final team because I haven't
Speaker 3: much higher.
Speaker 4: Well I got Iced Tea higher too, so they'll be multiple.
Speaker 4: And he's one of those artists that got several entries
Speaker 4: on the list for.
Speaker 3: Sure, as he should, you know, I can tell you
Speaker 3: right now, we haven't brought his name up yet for
Speaker 3: the group Scarface.
Speaker 1: He's on here a couple of times.
Speaker 3: He's right there next to Cube, and I told him that.
Speaker 3: And I'm going to be honest right now. I love
Speaker 3: Ice Cuban as a rapper, but I Scarface is my
Speaker 3: favorite rapper. But I told Scarface that. He said, man,
Speaker 3: he better stop that. Knock it off. He said that
Speaker 3: Cube is a bad motherfucker, of course, so it was
Speaker 3: kind of it was funny, you know, to hear him
Speaker 3: say that. I was telling him, like, dudes, you my
Speaker 3: favorite motherfucker. You and Q. Him and Cube are so.
Speaker 1: Similar in a lot of ways.
Speaker 3: You know. They're just both really descriptive with their rhymes.
Speaker 3: And this is one thing I don't like and hip hop,
Speaker 3: the dudes that kind of do too much with the
Speaker 3: lyrical miracle, you know, all that stuff. To me, that's
Speaker 3: for me. Biggie Gray, Biggie Q, and Scarface all share
Speaker 3: the same characteristics. They say a lot by saying a
Speaker 3: little like Biggie, you know my rap rhymes, light, laying minds,
Speaker 3: one step to boom, black suits, field the room, ice, cute.
Speaker 3: God damn. I'm glad y'all said it. Though used to
Speaker 3: be hard. Now you just salt, you know. So it's
Speaker 3: just like they do. The most was saying a little
Speaker 3: and you understand what they're saying. I know a lot
Speaker 3: of incredible rappers. Man. The rass Cash to me is
Speaker 3: one of the baddest motherfuckers.
Speaker 1: They ever hold a microphone, that's for sure.
Speaker 3: As China wag sell, for sure, we're living in the
Speaker 3: real life idiocracy area era right.
Speaker 1: Now, no doubt about it, to where people.
Speaker 3: Don't want to think so. I enjoy their music, but
Speaker 3: there aren't that many intellectus. It's more idiots than.
Speaker 1: Those intellects, that's for sure.
Speaker 3: You know, not saying that people not dumb, but people
Speaker 3: just want it. Some people can't digest that type of stuff, man.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well, and if the people don't understand what you're saying, man,
Speaker 3: usually you can lose somebody along the way.
Speaker 4: That happens, and that's why the razkaz is in the
Speaker 4: Chino excels of the world are more popular, but that
Speaker 4: doesn't take away from their talent at all.
Speaker 3: And those guys have been able to carve out a
Speaker 3: niche in the game for themselves where they've had some
Speaker 3: really long careers and who's to say, maybe if they
Speaker 3: win commercial they may not still be around. These guys
Speaker 3: are still actively touring, putting the albums in.
Speaker 4: They're still respected, absolutely absolutely, and I.
Speaker 3: Think that's what makes this thing hip hop's so interesting.
Speaker 3: The biggest parallel I give the gangster rap is almost
Speaker 3: like professional wrestling. You have all of these colorful people
Speaker 3: and everybody has their stick like, you know, you have
Speaker 3: Dusty Roads, you have you know, Dusty Rose kind of
Speaker 3: represented the common man. Rick Flair represented the Paul. You know,
Speaker 3: he came out with the woo and a little struck.
Speaker 3: He was just a bad motherfucker, right right. And I
Speaker 3: think that's when you look at the ice cubes, the scarfaces,
Speaker 3: a lot of people sleep on them. And this is
Speaker 3: the guy that got multiple entries in his list. I'm
Speaker 3: pretty sure you got him too. Short. These dudes have
Speaker 3: a swagger that's almost out of this world. When you
Speaker 3: meet short and I you know, I trip off sometimes
Speaker 3: that these dudes are actually my buddies now, right, you know,
Speaker 3: I actually, you know, talk to these guys and now
Speaker 3: I'm like, man, this is I'm talking too short right now.
Speaker 3: He's a bad motherfucker. He's been doing it for a
Speaker 3: long time. You got to give him as props, man. Yeah,
Speaker 3: anytime somebody could survive something. Man, what an average shelf
Speaker 3: life is two years? Dude, two and a half years
Speaker 3: for a rapper, And I'm talking about somebody had a push.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, if that, if that, and that's.
Speaker 3: Someone that had a push, that's someone that half they
Speaker 3: had a career. Right for these dudes to be around,
Speaker 3: fuck thirty forty years, they've short been doing it a
Speaker 3: motherfucker last ten years. Look at the run Cube. Is
Speaker 3: Steve rest Releivant his effort? Yep, he's just making movies. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you know at this point he's almost like Michael Jordan.
Speaker 3: He don't done so much in the game. What the fuck?
Speaker 3: What it else for him be for him to do
Speaker 3: in the game?
Speaker 1: Yeah, man, I mean that's like I was saying. When
Speaker 1: you look at the.
Speaker 4: Ice Tea, the ice Cube, the Snoop Dogg and another
Speaker 4: one and the Doctor Dre those four that's that's really
Speaker 4: the pinnacle of everything. And they all other than Snoop,
Speaker 4: they all got started in the eighties and Snoop was
Speaker 4: right behind him in ninety two.
Speaker 3: So and they're still doing it. Man, And who would
Speaker 3: have ever thought that Snooper wound up the biggest thing
Speaker 3: man in Black America. Man, just straighten to come home. Man,
Speaker 3: he's just a phenomenal god. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 3: It's like Snoop is all and I'll say this is nope,
Speaker 3: I'm not being disrespectful at all. But Snoop is almost
Speaker 3: like a cartoon character. He's like the McDonald's sign. He's
Speaker 3: like Mickey Mouse, which means he's just like an entity
Speaker 3: upon it.
Speaker 1: He's world famous.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's world famous because I remember, I never will
Speaker 3: forget this man. Me and Big psychles thing out. Big
Speaker 3: Cycle was one of my good friends. Like we had
Speaker 3: formed a really good relationship and we were in Dubai.
Speaker 3: He actually had a show out there. So in this
Speaker 3: hotel we weren they had like a dry queens downstairs.
Speaker 3: So I took some shit you know when you got
Speaker 3: lucks going overseas, and just got these nice ass shirts
Speaker 3: that just got ruined. You're all wrinkled up and shit right.
Speaker 3: So I take them to the dry queens that I
Speaker 3: come back to. Lady says, oh you have daddy, nice material.
Speaker 3: Are you entertaining you know? I was like yeah, I said, yeah,
Speaker 3: I do this and that. She said, I don't know much. Rep.
Speaker 3: I know Snoop Doggy Dog. I like Snoop Doggie Dog.
Speaker 3: And we're talking about us probably at the time, a
Speaker 3: sixty seventy year old Hindu woman.
Speaker 4: Wow, she knew who.
Speaker 3: Snoop Dogg was. I could see it. Damn man, that motherfucker's.
Speaker 1: Popping, that's for sure, you know.
Speaker 3: So, man, we don't get together next week. Yep, we
Speaker 3: got our bottom ten and we're talking the phone about that.
Speaker 3: And you guys see the results in the next six weeks,
Speaker 3: next five to six weeks. So I will tell you
Speaker 3: I would give you a long drawn out oultro soon,
Speaker 3: but I'm gonna see your ass next week. Man.
Speaker 4: There it is he here next week.
Speaker 3: App here next week. I want to give you guys
Speaker 3: out there, man, a message. COVID is still out there.
Speaker 3: Make sure y'all washing, y'all hands, man, make sure I
Speaker 3: don't know if we need to go back to wearing
Speaker 3: a mask. I don't even want to get in all that,
Speaker 3: but take care of yourself though still out there and
Speaker 3: we out of here. Well. That concludes another episode of
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